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00:00<bline>why?
00:00<ahbritto>I have had some recently too.
00:02<bline>Yeah, you told me.
00:02<bline>It's not the same problem from what you said.
00:03<ahbritto>Too many problems :( Hopefully, pin some of them down soon.
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00:28* Captain_Murdochstates the obvious by saying there are too many idiots on the mailing lists.
00:28<Chutt>some people should not be allowed to use ps or top
00:29<ahbritto>ha ha ha ha
00:29<Chutt>'durrr, where'd all my ram go?'
00:31<Chutt>heh, and apparently the lists are stuffed up in mailman again
00:31<Chutt>crappy mailman
00:32<ahbritto>Some people should not be allow to use mailing lists too. Or, mailing lists programs should enforce some edicate.
00:32<bigguy>"Hi, I'm stupid" "Welcome to the mythtv anonymous, Stupid. What's your story?"
00:33<ahbritto>Well, more like if the subject changes in a reply, they should need to confirm it is a new topic or and (was ...)
00:33<ahbritto>s/and/add
00:34<Captain_Murdoch>or the guy who asked the same question 2 days in a row with 2 different subjects even though there's a whole discussion thread from the first time he asked
00:35<Captain_Murdoch>it's like he pasted his question about the commercial stuff from the first email into his 2nd email without even looking for replies to the first.
00:36<bigguy>Tight 4$$ frontend case was RE: Why does the PVR-x50 not fix my tea for me
00:37<bigguy>"I can't be arsed to start a new message so I'll just add to this thread
00:37<bigguy>"
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04:19<mithro>anyone alive here?
04:22<thor>just barely
04:22<mithro>how do i get gdb to dump to a file?
04:22<thor>you want a backtrace?
04:22<mithro>i've found where the program freezes
04:22<thor>which program?
04:22<mithro>thor: got the backtrace now want to get it to file
04:22<mithro>mythtv
04:23<mithro>s/mythtv/mythfrontend
04:23<thor>bt full
04:23<thor>that gives you console output
04:23<mithro>thor: got that far, how to i get it to go to a file :)
04:23<thor>uhm, your mouse
04:23<thor>cut and paste
04:23<mithro>bah don't have one connected to this machine
04:24<thor>hmmmm
04:24<thor>plug one in?
04:24<mithro>looks like i'm going to have too...
04:24<thor>k
04:33<mithro>the bt is to big to fit on one screen so i can't just copy/paste
04:33<mithro>thor: never seen the program guide menu freeze up?
04:34<thor>gdb will do page by page
04:34<thor>bt full
04:34<thor>asks for <return> to continue
04:34<thor>... heh .. I've seen everything freeze up
04:35<mithro>thor: which way is the bt? top the last called or bottom the last called?
04:36<thor>if you want to make sure you have everything ...
04:36<thor>(assuming you're gdb and gcc are well matched)
04:36<thor>do "info threads"
04:36<thor>and for every line
04:36<thor>do a thread #
04:36<thor>bt full
04:36<thor>etc.
04:37<mithro>info threads only reports one thread
04:37<thor>that's ok
04:37<thor>a bit odd, but ok
04:38<thor>in mythfrontend?
04:38<mithro>yeah
04:38<thor>fine
04:38<thor>do a bt full
04:38<thor>#0 of that is where it actually hung
04:38<thor>which is rarely the actual source of the problem
04:39<thor>but a good starting place
04:39<mithro>it's died in a select
04:39<thor>in QTMYSQL?
04:39<mithro>i'm thinking so...
04:39<mithro>but i'm not sure
04:40<thor>I'm about 103% sure there is nothing wrong with Qt/Qt-mysql (per se)
04:41<mithro>select(), QMotifStyle(), QSqlDatabase::defaultConnection(), QMotifStyle(), QApplication::processNextEvent()
04:41<thor>the last of those wouldbe your problem
04:42<mithro>yeah thats why i stopped there :)
04:42<thor>sorry to say that IRC is not the right forum for trying to debug these kinds of things
04:42<thor>...
04:42<mithro>QApplication::enter_loop(), QDialog::exec(), RunPorgramGuide(), startGuide()
04:42<mithro>email?
04:43<thor>post of -dev
04:43<thor>post to -dev
04:43<mithro>irc is so much faster then email though :)
04:43<thor>yes, but there are only a few people who actually understand how core Myth stuff works
04:44<thor>Isaac, mdz, bjm, etc
04:44<thor>I have only a faint idea
04:44<mithro>ahh okay :) to bad they arn't all on irc
04:44<thor>not at this hour
04:44<mithro>but i suppose it's a good idea for coding ;)
04:45<thor>what's a good idea for coding?
04:45<mithro>not being on IRC, it can quickly sapp all your time :)
04:45<thor>ah yes
04:46<thor>put it on -dev, with a good bt, Isaac will get back to you
04:47<mithro>how to get that evil good bt
04:48<thor>actually, the best thing is not a perfect bt
04:48<thor>it's a reproducible path to a segfault
04:48<mithro>but it's not a segfault
04:49<mithro>it's a freeze
04:49<thor> ... ok ...
04:49<mithro>and it's not a total freeze and when you press the keys mythfrontend outputs some information it just doesn't change anything on the screen
04:50<thor>hey, wish I could tell you more ...
04:50<thor>I just work on the music stuff
04:51<thor>... good -dev posting with context will help alot
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05:26<mithro>thor: posted to the dev list now
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05:47<PowerCC>hiya all!
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07:24<mithro>o so quiet
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07:54<PeteCool>Chutt: brightness controls being disabled (from list): does that mean values entered in the db are ignored too?
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09:09<zaheer>hi
09:10<zaheer>does anyone know which version of ffmpeg, the libavcodec portion of mythtv is taken from?
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15:03<bbeattie>If anyone is around, I need some advice. I've been unable to get audio to come out of mythtv. Is there a way to find out if mythtv is recording/encoding sound? My current audio config is via the line-in, which I don't have mutted at the moment. It is set to record. I'll mute it when I get the double audio, knowing that things are working. Thanks.
15:04<bbeattie>esd is running, but my soundcard chip does support multiple outputs. (ie, running 3 mp3's at once).
15:08<bigguy>kill esd
15:08<bbeattie>trying it again. brb
15:11<bbeattie>didn't help.
15:12<yourface>I was thinking of adding the description of the program to be recorded in the would you like to switch to this channel and record this program dialog box. Would this be useful to others. if it is I will go ahead and code this in.
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15:14<dopez>bbeattie: not sure if this is helpful, but with my sblive i had to up the igain a little before i had sound, but it seems i dont need that with the onboard sound chip tho
15:14<bbeattie>mythfront won't go into tv mode, and I can't rmmod the bttv module. Let me reboot and try it again. First though, what else could be causing this? Is there a way to check to see if audio is being encoded? the /car/cache/mythtv/ringbuf.nuv is empty (mytv not running)
15:15<bbeattie>dopez: I have an msi kt4v mainboard, using the via82cxxx_audio kernel module (8233 sound chip)
15:15<yourface>open xmms play a mp3, and then cat /dev/dsp > /hi.wav, and then play the wav file
15:15<bbeattie>I am not running also. I'm not sure if that would make a difference, as I had alsa yesterday, before I reloaded, and it still didn't work.
15:16<bbeattie>this is a new system for a htpc.
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15:18<bbeattie>rebooting, brb
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15:42<extremis>so, If I have an IRblaster that uses lirc_sir, should I use it for both rx and tx, or would you recommend a seperate eon for rx?
15:42<extremis>I'm thinking that the tx is going to be pointed at my echostar reciever so having a second ir would be best
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15:51<Primer>ahhhh people
15:51<Primer>ANyone using X with an HDTV? I can't seem to find the appropriate horizsync/vertrefresh for mine...help?
16:05<extremis>hrm, I'm not having much luck with google, where can I find info on using lirc_serial and lirc_sir simultaniously
16:08<Primer>I use lirc_sir
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16:09<Primer>what are you using as the IR device?
16:09<extremis>I have 2
16:09<extremis>one is the actisys 200l
16:09<extremis>and the other is a logitec
16:09<extremis>I want to use the actisys for TX
16:09<extremis>and the logitec with RX
16:10<Primer>those are serial?
16:11<Primer>I use the IR port on the MB
16:12<extremis>both are serial
16:13<extremis>the logitec is on com2
16:13<extremis>rather com1
16:13<extremis>and the actisys is on com2
16:21<extremis>I remember seeing a howto somewhere but can't find it now
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16:47<extremis>hrm, is anyone using 2 ir devices ?
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17:05<bbeattie>How does one get rid of horizontal random line noise? This does not appear in xawtv. The lines are 2-8 pixels high, and 200-1280 pixels wide.
17:06<Chutt>black or green?
17:06<extremis>Chutt: did you see my question about multiple ir devices?
17:06<Chutt>err, they look like part of the picture from a frame or so ago, instead?
17:06<bbeattie>it appears it's a subset of the colormap being displayed
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17:06<Chutt>extremis, i've never used 2 at once
17:06<bbeattie>not green.
17:07<extremis>Chutt: do you know anyone who is?
17:07<Chutt>bbeattie, try capturing at a lower resolution, first
17:07<Chutt>extremis, not offhand, no
17:07<extremis>:( the actisys doesn't have good rx
17:07<extremis>so I can't use it for both
17:07<extremis>nor would I be able to get the angle right
17:09<bbeattie>Chutt: most of it is gone at a lower resolution. I get about 10 noise patterns every 5 seconds or so (not same time interval) Is this a bad signal, or bad tv tuner card?
17:09<Chutt>most likely, it's a bad-ish motherboard
17:09<Chutt>if it goes away at lower levels, that sort of indicates it has problems transferring lots of data over the pci bus
17:10<bbeattie>Chutt: it's a msi kt4v, (kt400 chipset) running an amd 2600+.
17:10<Chutt>xawtv doesn't show it because it's only transferring from tuner card to video card
17:10<Chutt>bbeattie, aye, via chips are crap, really
17:10<bbeattie>Chutt: nforce any better?
17:11<Chutt>i'm happy with my nforce board, at least
17:11<Chutt>you can try playing with the pci latency settings for the tuner card
17:11<Chutt>which can clear up a lot of things
17:11<bbeattie>Chutt: I got this MB last weekend, I'll return it and get an nforce.
17:12<Chutt>'course, i could be way off in the diagnosis of that, but it fits what i've seen with other people
17:13<bbeattie>Chutt: I'm going to reset bios settings, it's set at, "high performance" but I've been getting kernel panics at times too.
17:13<bbeattie>brb
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17:15<activelow>if I'm running a .21 kernel, do I need to patch it to get the pvr 250 working?
17:16<Chutt>you don't need to patch any kernel to get it working
17:16<activelow>I was looking at this page http://patrick.wagstrom.net/weblog/archives/000132.html
17:17<Chutt>yeah, people are dumb.
17:17<activelow>ok sorry, I just got the 250 today....
17:17<Chutt>not you =)
17:18<activelow>so just compile the driver and go then?
17:18<Chutt>yeah, pretty much
17:18<Chutt>you do need to have bttv and stuff compiled as modules, though
17:18<activelow>ok, switching from a bttv card, anything I should watch out for?
17:18<Chutt>not really
17:18<Chutt>just make sure to set the card up as a hardware mpeg encoder card in mythtv's setup
17:19<activelow>wonderful, I did see that option..
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17:33<bbeattie>Chutt: are msi mainboards all crap, or just the via chipsets?
17:34<Chutt>I dunno
17:34<bbeattie>I'm about ready to go back to the store and pay $15.00 more for an nforce2 board, but it's still an MSI.
17:34<Chutt>i'm just going to stay away from via chipsets, myself
17:34<bbeattie>asus is too expensive for me, and ideas on aopen?
17:34<Chutt>you should make sure that there aren't any problems with the nforce2 in linux, first
17:34<activelow>bbeattie: just a fyi I have a friend with a asus nforce and it's not 100% stable in linux
17:34<Chutt>i only have an nforce 1
17:35<activelow>nforce2 that is..
17:35<extremis>I like my abit kd7 so far
17:35<dopez>watch out with nforce2 boards, they seem to be really picky with memory (even at lower (266/333mhz ddr))
17:36<activelow>I used to have lockups with my Soyo dragon+ but the .21 kernel fixed everything. I would recommend it.
17:36<activelow>it's the KT266, I dont know if that's a good or bad chipset.
17:37<bbeattie>mind if I ask an off topic question?
17:39<bbeattie>*pokes chutt* don't know what I did, but resetting bios settings has removed all horizontal noise., even at normal res.
17:39<Chutt>heh
17:39<Chutt>so, yeah, one of the 'high performance' things messed it up
17:40<bbeattie>Chutt: high performance on this in general really is messed up, it disables onboard sound, lan and usb.
17:40<bbeattie>Chutt: how is color/brightness/sharpness/color temp changed for myth?
17:41<Chutt>there's settings in the database
17:41<Chutt>in the last release, there's keybindings to modify em, look in keys.txt
17:41<Chutt>currently disabled in CVS, though
17:43<bbeattie>chutt design question, why did you choose rtjpeg over mpeg4 for default encoding? speed?
17:43<Chutt>yup
17:44<Chutt>seems like 90% of the people who try this out want to use a pentium-66
17:44<Chutt>or something equally bad for real-time video encoding =)
17:44<bbeattie>Chutt: what's the difference in filesize? would you recommend mpeg4 for an amd xp 2600?
17:44<Chutt>big difference in file size
17:44<Chutt>and yeah, use mpeg4
17:50<bbeattie>Chutt: alright, last question, but first thanks for your help. - What is normal broadcast resolution isn't it 480x520? If so, does one set that to the resolution for encoding to get the best picture? or what needs to be done?
17:51<Chutt>720x480 would be best
17:51<Chutt>480x480's quite acceptable, though
17:51<Chutt>640x480 if you want something that's 4:3
17:51<bbeattie>Chutt: NTSC is 640x480?
17:53<Chutt>analog tv doesn't have a resolution
17:53<Chutt>anyway, i have to go.
18:02<Primer>sigh...no luck getting this hdtv working in Linux
18:02<Primer>every modeline I try is rejected
18:03<Primer>when one specifies a modeline, does that oviate the use of horizsync and vertrefresh?
18:03<Primer>obviate, even
18:05<extremis>Primer: have you tried dual infrared devices?
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18:07<bline>Chutt: you around?
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18:11<extremis>bline: have you tried multiple irda devices ?
18:12<bbeattie>extremis: vector in #tvtime I think may know how.
18:14<Primer>extremis: no...all I need is one
18:14<Primer>the IR device I have does both RX and TX, using lirc_sir
18:14<Primer>and the on board IR controller on the MB
18:17<bbeattie>hmm, myth segfaults if do a program conflict schedule with 3 items, happened 4 time now.
18:17<bbeattie>rr, no it was the backend that segfaulted
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18:41<yourface>Has any made A DIY IR reciever?
18:43<captain_proton>yourface: sure, whats your question?
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18:44<yourface>is it a polling deviece?
18:44<captain_proton>mode2 recievers are
18:45<yourface>ok
18:46<yourface>thanks
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18:54<extremis>ok, I got live tv working the database is updating
18:54<extremis>I just need to get sound working
18:54<extremis>then dick with the lirc stuff again
19:00<extremis>does the audio in jack on a pvr250 have its on /dev entry?
19:09<bline>extremis: the audio comes along with the mpeg over /dev/video0
19:10<bline>or I should say the audio is part of the mpeg
19:13<extremis>bline: from what I saw in the setup you can have audio/video on each of the 3 connectors on the pvr250. Right now I'm using /dev/video0 svideo for video
19:13<extremis>but if we can recieve from 3 different sources at the same time on that card then audio would need to be split out also
19:14<bline>for the pvr250, the dsp you specify for capturing is ignored
19:14<extremis>its likely that audio over the coax is diff than the line in on that pvr250
19:14<extremis>bline: I'm not hearing any audio right now
19:14<extremis>but I have video
19:15<bline>then you probably have audio out problems
19:15<extremis>I didn't specify an audio in anywhere in my setup
19:16<bline>you should be specifying an audio out in the playback section of the setup
19:17<extremis>that is usually /dev/dsp right?
19:17<bline>err, not playback
19:17<extremis>so for my capture card the audio device should be "(None)" and sampleing rate "(None)" ?
19:18<activelow>I just bought a pvr 250 today, everything works peachy, I did notice a weird thing though...if the myth box hasnt recorded a program yet, watching live tv doesnt work (and sometimes causes the backend to crash), but after recording a show, it all works fine....
19:19<bline>mythtv does not set the bitrate for the pvr250 currently
19:19<bline>the only thing I think it sets is the resolution
19:19<bline>you'll need to fiddle with utils/test_ioctl to set bitrate and peak bitrate
19:20<extremis>ok, so I'm pointing to /dev/dsp for audio out
19:20<extremis>but I get nothing
19:20<extremis>yet I can play mp3's on /dev/dsp
19:20<bline>ahh, you specify the output dsp in setup -> general
19:20<bline>in mythtv
19:20<extremis>yes
19:21<bline>check the volume you have mythtv default to
19:21<bline>also in general
19:22<extremis>it is fine
19:23<bline>if you `cat /dev/video0 > foo.mpeg` for a few seconds, and then play that file, do you have audio?
19:23<bline>use mplayer or something to play it
19:23<extremis>ok, just a secx
19:24<extremis>I have to emerge mplayer
19:25<bline>do you have xine?
19:25<bline>you should probably emerge both is not, so you can do testing with other mpeg players
19:25<bline>s/is/if/
19:26<extremis>mplayer has alot of dependancies ;)
19:26<extremis>bline: /dev/video0 should give me audio also eh?
19:26<bline>yeah, it outputs an mpeg stream.
19:27<bline>mpeg 1 or 2 depending on your card settings
19:27<extremis>how do I update the card settings?
19:28<bline>test_ioctl
19:29<extremis>the the video looks washed out
19:30<bline>yeah, that's normal
19:30<bline>do you have audio?
19:30<extremis>still compiling...
19:30<extremis>how do I put the color back in the video, this stinks
19:31<bline>tweak the color with test_ioctl, I added the color settings to it in latest cvs so you'll need cvs from atleast yesterday
19:31<extremis>color settings?
19:32<activelow>bline: any issues with compiling the util dir? mine wont compile
19:32<extremis>a mythtv native function
19:32<bline>you getting errors about bitrate_mode?
19:32<extremis>is there an ebuild that will get the latest cvs? or should that be done by hand
19:32<bline>by hand
19:33<activelow>I get test_ioctl.c:355: structure has no member named `bitrate_mode'
19:33<bline>yeah, alex seems to have messed that up a bit
19:34<extremis>bline: cvs for mythtv or ivtv ?
19:34<bline>edit ivtv-ext-api.h and add 'uint32_t bitrate_mode;' around line 29 before 'uint32_t bitrate;'
19:35<bline>extremis: I thought you were talking about ivtv
19:35<extremis>;) I am indirectly
19:35<extremis>ivtv is your baby?
19:35<bline>no, I just submited a patch
19:35<extremis>cool
19:35<bline>to add the color stuff and the bitrate_mode
19:36<activelow>bline: did the trick
19:36<bline>activelow: cool
19:38<activelow>wow bitrate defaults to 8000000 and peak at 16000000, that seems alittl high..
19:39<extremis>so mythtv is a little misleading with its options
19:39<extremis>like the encoding settings
19:39<extremis>if you have a mpeg2 hardware encoder then you shouldn't be able to select rtmpeg later
19:39<zaheer>i managed to get dvb channel chang working without much of a change to the code!
19:39<extremis>and all encoder settings should be rlative to the card
19:39<bline>extremis: yeah, but Chutt is going to add those setting as soon as ivtv gets more stable
19:40<extremis>bline: cool
19:40<extremis>zaheer: werd, my dvb card should be here soon
19:41<zaheer>extremis: cool...im on the verge of submitting a clean patch...then i will move my dvb card to my live machine
19:42<bline>Chutt: if you are around, I found the cause of my sound cutting out.
19:46<Primer>anyone here experienced with X and hdtv? trying to get a higher resolution...and it's not happening
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20:44<bbeattie>question... since there was no debian files for mythmusic, I compiled my own from source. However, it installs to /usr/local/bin, and the readme appears to be outdated anyway (refers to a .txt config file, which doesn't exist - There's an XML that contains no options described in the README) Is there a way to integrate a system compiled mythmusic into mythfrontend?
20:47<bline>yeah, edit mainmenu.eml and add an entry for it
20:48<bline>better to copy it to ~/.mythtv/mainmenu.xmland add the entry there
20:48<bline>s/xmland/xml and/
20:48<bbeattie>thanks, I'll try that
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20:49<yourface>Do I need extra software to compile the cvs?
20:50<bline>yourface: http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythInstall
20:51<bline>CVS doesn't require any extra libraries that I know of, that install should cover everything you need
20:52<yourface>when I've been trying to compile the (2 days ago) cvs I get a error compiling NuppelVideoPLayer.cpp complaing about xv extentions
20:54<bline>Xv is part of XFree
20:55<bbeattie>bline: do I need to load some tables into the database? I never saw the install do it, ie, there's a metadeta.sql in mythmusic/musicdb. do I need to run a "mysql < metadata.sql" ?
20:56<yourface>I'll try todays, and get back to you with the exact error if it comes up agian
20:56<bline>bbeattie: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.4
20:57<bbeattie>bline: that's for the regular mythtv, I was refering to the mythmusic
20:58<bbeattie>or does the 0.9 sql file for mythtv contain the tables for mythmusic also?
20:58* blinechecks his ebuild for mythmusic
20:58<bbeattie>bline: menu for mythmusic comes up, but tells me I have no tables in the database for it.
20:58<bline>bbeattie: yes
20:59<bline>mysql < metadata.sql
20:59<bbeattie>mythfrontend menu that is,
20:59<bbeattie>woot! undocumented! ;0
20:59<bline>it's in the README
20:59<bline>The final thing to do is add the musicdb/metadata.sql file to your existing
20:59<bline>database setup from MythTV.
21:00<bline>^^^ from the README
21:01<bbeattie>bline: I only checked mythmusic database, sorry for not checking the other. -- Taken me 20 hours to get a stable debian system (for dumb hardware) and I'm out of time for the weekend really. :(
21:04<extremis>hrm, test_ioctl hangs
21:04<extremis>and I can't kill -9 it
21:05<bline>strange, never happened to me
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21:05<bline>post it to the list
21:05<bline>maybe try to gdb it and get a bt from where it hangs
21:09<bline>
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21:10<bline>sorry, was messing with my wireless keyboard
21:14<bbeattie>bline: what is in a mythmusic-settings.txt? I do not have one, nor does the source for mythmusic contain one, nor can I find one via google. Is it a lot of data, or a few lines?
21:15<bline>bbeattie: it's leftover from when the settings were in a file
21:15<bline>the settings are in the db now
21:16<bline>you should be able to configure it via the menus in mythmusic
21:16<bline>from mythfrontend
21:17<bbeattie>bline I was looking under thw rong menu, sorry.
21:20<bbeattie>rebooting, corrupted ext3fs. :-/
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21:23<bline>wow, the mythtv-dev list is really lagged
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22:45<mithro>anyone alive today?
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22:45<bline>yeah
22:46<Chutt>heh
22:47<Chutt>bline, what bitrates exactly break for you?
22:47<bline>hey Chutt
22:47<bline>anything below 7
22:47<Chutt>hrmph
22:47<Chutt>mine's set at 4.5/6
22:47<mithro>anyone here know much about mythtv internals? i'm having problems with the program guide freezeing....
22:47<bline>I'll try that, one sec
22:47<Chutt>works fine on my xp and my mini-itx
22:50<bline>the sound cuts out on those settings as well
22:50<bline>maybe it is some other setting I am using
22:50<bline>I have dnr_mode=0,dnr_temporal=0,bitrate=4500000,bitrate_peak=6000000
22:51<Chutt>same here
22:51<bline>and for the color controls: brightness=137 saturation=75 contrast=65 hue=-8
22:51<Chutt>dnr_mode = 0 is default now =)
22:51<bline>good
22:51<Chutt>those shouldn't affect it at all
22:51<bline>yeah, that's what I thought
22:51<bline>err think
22:51<mithro>so anyone got time to sit down and debug whats happening with my freeze?
22:52<Chutt>mithro, stick a bunch of couts and stuff in guidegrid.cpp
22:52<Chutt>see what it's doing
22:52<bline>Chutt: I find it strange that myth cuts out on those recordings but nothing else does
22:52<bline>I can get you a sample of the recordings that cut out if you want
22:52<Chutt>could ya?
22:52<Chutt>i'd like that
22:52<bline>how big you want?
22:53<Chutt>20 meg enough to show the problem you think?
22:53<bline>I'll just cat /dev/video0 into a file
22:53<Chutt>mythtv blah.mpg will play things, btw
22:53<bline>yeah, should be
22:53<Chutt>if you ever want to test with just that
22:53<bline>oh, cool
22:53<Chutt>it'll still connect to the backend
22:53<Chutt>but it'll just go play the file instead of live tv
22:54<Chutt>it'll also play avis and stuff
22:54<Chutt>but bad sync =)
22:55<bline>email?
22:56<mithro>Chutt: where sould i start putting the couts? it doesn't respond to the keyboard input but it shows the inital screen and a bt reports it's in a call to mysql
22:56<Snow-Man>Who needs email?
22:56<Chutt>bline, i wouldn't be able to get an email that large
22:56<bline>heh, I got an autoresponce from MSchoneman@bremson.com when I sent my bitrate bug to the list
22:56<bline>dcc?
22:56<Chutt>can you stick it someplace?
22:56<Chutt>web?
22:57<bline>ok, one sec
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22:58<bline>http://24.84.93.233/foo.mpeg
22:59<bline>the sound cuts out for me when the old lady starts to talk
22:59<bline>(it's cnn)
22:59<Chutt>i can't type
22:59<Chutt>ok, there
23:00<mithro>and it does report a whole bunch the invalid pixmaps
23:00<Chutt>mithro, well, it'd probably be nice to figure out which query it's stalling on
23:00<Chutt>why you're getting those pixmaps, etc
23:01<Snow-Man>I suck.
23:01<Chutt>something simple?
23:01<Snow-Man>I wish.
23:01<Snow-Man>Trying something that might help.
23:01<Chutt>heh
23:01<Chutt>what'dya think the issue is?
23:02<mithro>i think it's looking for icons/pictures and not finding any?
23:02<mithro>i'm using my own tv_grab_aus
23:03<Chutt>it wouldn't look for them if they weren't in the db
23:03<Snow-Man>The problem is that sendmail won't do a re-run of the queue until all of the current runners have finished.
23:03<bline>use qmail? ;)
23:03<Snow-Man>Fuck no.
23:03<Chutt>and with all the crappy people on my lists that don't know how to run a server, that takes forever?
23:03<bline>heh
23:03<Snow-Man>Chutt: yup.
23:04<Snow-Man>I'm seeing if I can get it to 'age' messages into another queue.
23:05<Snow-Man>Basically if a message is in the queue for more than 25 minutes it can get moved into another queue, so the fast sites get the mail on the first run and the others get it whenever.
23:05<Chutt>ah
23:06<Snow-Man>It's an idea anyway.
23:06<Chutt>makes sense
23:06<Snow-Man>Yeah, except nothing's in the other queue yet.
23:08<Snow-Man>The problem is that I can't just let it do periodic queue runs because a queue run for some items can take more than 10 minutes..
23:08<Snow-Man>And that'll eventually end up with an assload of processes running and stuff.
23:08<Chutt>bline, plays fine here :(
23:09<Snow-Man>This kind of stuff is likely to cause problems even on the new server really.
23:09<bline>hmm
23:09<Snow-Man>Since, regardless, we really don't want to have 200+ sendmail's all show up at one.
23:09<Chutt>it's likely a playback bug, yes
23:10<bline>there must be something in my setup
23:10<bline>I'm going to delete _everything_ and reinstall
23:11<Chutt>do you have any of the jitter reduction/experimental a/v sync/aggressive sound buffering options turned on?
23:11<Chutt>those cause problems sometimes
23:11<Chutt>or they cure em sometimes
23:11<bline>Chutt: first thing I checked
23:11<Chutt>i dunno
23:12<Chutt>ah well
23:12<Chutt>worth a shot :(
23:14<mithro>how does mythtv 0.9 call it's plugins like the mythepg ?
23:15<Chutt>it's never run mythepg as a separate program
23:15<mithro>because when i run it as a seperate program it no longer has the freeze
23:17<Snow-Man>Hrmpf.
23:17<Snow-Man>Chutt: Man, a message just came in 2 minutes ago and it's being sent out at a pretty decent clip.
23:17<Chutt>the last email i got from the list is from 9:19 pm
23:17<Snow-Man>God damn.
23:18<Chutt>i've got you sending directly to my speakeasy.net account
23:18<Chutt>now
23:18<Snow-Man>ok.
23:19<mithro>Chutt: any idea why the lockup would only occur when the epg was run from inside mythtv then when run externally?
23:19<Chutt>nope.
23:19<Chutt>the backtrace you sent in didn't contain the other threads in the program, which may have helped
23:20<bline>reinstalling now, shame c++ takes so damn long to compile :)
23:21<mithro>Chutt: according to the gdb there was only one thread?
23:22<Chutt>mithro, i kinda doubt that, but..
23:23<bline>hrm, I wonder if my excessive CFLAGS has anything to do with this problem
23:23<mithro>how do i get info on the running threads?
23:23<Chutt>try it with the default
23:23<Chutt>mithro, it's in the docs
23:23<Chutt>bline, what do you run ./configure with?
23:23<bline>I'm using -mcpu=athlon-xp -O3 -pipe -msse -mmmx -m3dnow -fforce-addr -fomit-frame-pointer -funroll-loops -frerun-loop-opt -falign-functions=4
23:24<mithro>i ran "thread apply all bt full" and put all the output in my backtrace
23:24<Chutt>heh
23:24<Chutt>why would you use all that, and not -march=
23:24<Chutt>but, i'd try the default options first
23:25<mithro>and "thread" reports only one thread??
23:25<Chutt>ok, so it thinks there's only one =)
23:25<bline>--prefix=/usr --enable-a52bin --enable-shared
23:25<mithro>and "ps fax" only reports on thread
23:26<Snow-Man>blahhhh.
23:27<mithro>mythtv 0.9 is alot nicer then mythtv 0.7 :)
23:28<Chutt>bline, none of those does anything to mythtv
23:28<Chutt>so leave em off =)
23:30<bline>they are rather my default
23:30<bline>err
23:30<bline>nevermind
23:30<bline>I see what you mean
23:30<mithro>Chutt: so one of the thread's has died or something?
23:30<bline>I should have looked a little more into it before I wrote this shell script to compile mythtv
23:34<bigguy>O really don't think that link posted about ogg quality really helped his case
23:34<bigguy>I even
23:34<bigguy>Heh
23:35<bline>hey bigguy
23:35<bigguy>lo bline
23:36* mithrochecks out mythtv cvs
23:38* bigguyprefers flac but has only one ogg and many mp3
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23:42<bline>as soon as mythfilldatabase finishes I'll be able to test again (crosses fingers)
23:46<Snow-Man>God damnit.
23:47<Chutt>i got a message from 11pm
23:47<Chutt>better! =)
23:47<Snow-Man>Except that it won't be soon.
23:48<Snow-Man>As I understand this if I do defer'd delivery *none* of the anti-spam stuff will work.
23:48<Snow-Man>Which means I could be used as a relay for spam since relay listens externally too.
23:49<Chutt>well, why'd you switch to deferred delivery again?
23:49<Snow-Man>If I don't do defer'd mode then I can't control how many queue runners are going at any particular time.
23:49<Chutt>server load?
23:49<Snow-Man>server load and link load.
23:49<Snow-Man>Actually, I can kind of control it now that I think about it.
23:49<mithro>link load will definatley increase if you become a spam relay :)
23:50<Snow-Man>I need to not break the messages up as much.. Maybe break them up by 100 users.
23:50<Snow-Man>Instead of by 10.
23:51<Snow-Man>I think that'll help.
23:51<Snow-Man>Since, hopefully, the less a message gets broken up the fewer initial queue runners will be created, I think.
23:52<mithro>does anyone know of wireless rf remotes apart from the ati remote wonder?
23:52<Snow-Man>mithro: heh, the problem is that my relay server can now kick off enough processes to overload my link and cause problems for attepting to deliver mail due to timeouts.
23:52<Snow-Man>It's actually a kind of ridiculous situation, but that's life.
23:53<mithro>Snow-Man: i'm assuming you own snowman.net where all the mythtv mailing lists are hosted?
23:53<Snow-Man>yea.
23:54<mithro>i don't use sendmail :)
23:54<Snow-Man>I don't believe you run lists with 1000's of people on them either. :
23:54<Snow-Man>:)
23:55<mithro>nope :) i run a few lists with 10,000 :)
23:55<Snow-Man>Having the hourly queue is nice.
23:55<mithro>but thats not a discussion list which is kinda a diffrent kettle of fish
23:55* Snow-Mansmirks.
23:55<bline>what are you using mithro
23:56* mithrouses a personalized version of mailman with postfix
23:56<bline>ahh, We've been using a version of qmail I hacked up.
23:56<bline>Hacking on qmail code is _not_ fun.
23:57<mithro>yeah hacking qmail code is bad :)
23:57<bline>"I don't believe in stdio"
23:58<mithro>anyone know about the remoates? my infra red one kinda sucks
23:59<bline>I'm using one I got from radio shack with irman
23:59<mithro>i don't know why but infrared doesn't work well in my house
23:59<mithro>and i don't have fluro's