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00:00<mechou>bline, I joined the channel late. Wht's the issue in a nutshell? I've got a cvs that more current than 3 weeks...
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00:01<mechou>are you guys saying this issue only occurs with pvr250 and myth?
00:04<bline>mechou: yeah, but it's not reproducable by most people.
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00:47<ender>hello all!
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00:49<ender>I've got an issue where mythtv is not able to open my audio device, yet every other app on the box is able to. It's a C Media 8738 and I have set mythtvsetup to use /dev/dsp as the audio device. I've proved that this works by catting a file into /dev/dsp and I get noise from the sound card.
00:49<ender>mythtv just gives me "Player: Can't open audio device: "
00:49<ender>which follows a bunch of "open: No such file or directory"
00:50<Chutt>set the output device, not the input device.
00:50<Chutt>the setup program is only input, of course.
00:50<tmk>sup chutt
00:51<ender>it's set to /dev/dsp as well.
00:51<Chutt>ender, if it were set to /dev/dsp, then it'd say 'Can't open audio device: /dev/dsp'
00:51<Chutt>tmk, hey
00:52<tmk>did i hear that the audio bug with the pvr's and myth is a myth problem?
00:52<Chutt>that bline and i have been discussing?
00:52<tmk>skipping audio that is
00:52<tmk>aye
00:52<Chutt>apparently
00:52<Chutt>doesn't happen on any of my machines
00:52<tmk>cool
00:52* tmkscratches that off the fixit list ;)
00:52<Chutt>fix the damn whine
00:52<tmk>heh
00:52<Chutt>please :p
00:53<ender>Chutt: I'm using the mythfrontend ot make the change.
00:53<tmk>i can roll a special patch for you
00:53<ender>Chutt: is there a text file that should be edited instead?
00:53<tmk>that can't change audio input
00:53<tmk>but has no whine
00:53<Chutt>i've already got that if i want it
00:53<Timon>Anyone heard from moegreen lately?
00:53<Chutt>poptix did it awhile ago.
00:53<tmk>hehe then why complain?
00:53<tmk>ya
00:53<Chutt>because people complain about it rather often
00:53<tmk>oh
00:53<tmk>:<
00:53<tmk>i'll bump that up
00:56<Chutt>timon, friday, why?
00:57<Timon>Chutt: Just curious, had a few things I wanted to ask him around mythvideo. More specificly, I've been wanting to add a manual entry box for it, but was having some issues around it.
00:58<ender>where are the configs actually kept? In mysql?
00:58<Timon>(Plus hes the one who maintains mythvideo and as such will most likely commit my recent patch to allow it to grab movie posters from sites other than imdb)
00:59<Chutt>ender, yup.
01:00<ender>Chutt: and where/what would be the record that tells mythtv what to use as an output device?
01:01<Chutt>settings table
01:01<Chutt>i don't recall the actual name offhand
01:02<ender>there is nothing that seems to fit in my settings table.
01:02<ender>perhaps it didn't get set?
01:03<Chutt>it's AudioOutputDevice
01:03<ender>yep, i tdidn't get put into my sql.
01:03<ender>wait whoops, yes it did.
01:03<ender>wow I'm blind. but it's set to /dev/dsp as I thought.
01:03<Chutt>i dunno
01:03<Chutt>figure out why it's not getting used, then
01:07<ender>ugh, this is lame. I can't seem to mute the line in enough. I can still hear it. lame ass sound card.
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01:16<bline>went six weeks back and still cuts, I think maybe this has always been the case and I just didn't notice it until I turned the bitrate down
01:17<Chutt>heh
01:18<Chutt>try to figure out what's interrupting the write audio thread
01:18<Chutt>(in audiooutputoss.cpp)
01:19<bline>ok, I'll look at it some more tomarrow, it's past my bed time
01:19<Chutt>heh
01:21<Chutt>ok
01:25<Chutt>heh
01:26<Chutt>looks like the dumbasses that write xmltv changed the tv_grab_na format
01:27<tmk>is xmltv like a free tv listings service?
01:27<Chutt>no
01:27<Chutt>it steals listings off of websites
01:27<tmk>ah
01:27<tmk>tvguide/yahoo?
01:27<Chutt>zap2it.com
01:27<Chutt>aka, tribune media services
01:27<tmk>shrug
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01:42<Chutt2>wonderful
01:43<bigguy>what's up?
01:46<Chutt2>nothin
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02:03<Chutt>blah.
02:11<radsaq><Chutt> heh
02:16<SebLappy>anyone know of a place to find a decent priced 1u or 2u psu?
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02:31<Seela>Anybody have ideas on how to prevent the "QMYSQL3 driver not loaded" error? I'm running Mandrake 9.1, i can access mysql via the command line, and my QTDIR env var is set correctly (/usr/lib/qt3)
02:31<Chutt>install the qt mysql driver.
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02:32<Seela>okay thanks.. was that not covered in the docs? I tried to go through the docs with a fine toothed comb before bugging people :P
02:32<Chutt>it's covered 4 or 5 times in the docs.
02:32<Chutt>especially for mandrake.
02:33<Seela>hrmmm lemme doublecheck to see if i did that then
02:35<Seela>ahh yep there it is, right there in front of my face
02:35<Seela>sorry for wasting other's time
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02:49<tmk>hey isaac
02:49<tmk>you still up?
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03:28<Seela>Anybody know how many days out mythfilldatabase goes to populate?
03:28<Seela>i'm pondering just letting this run while i go to bed :P
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08:50<Snow-Man>Is there a website which shows the channel listings that the xmltv thing or whatever grabs?
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08:52<Conaz>Snow-Man: if you go to zap2it.com
08:52<Conaz>Snow-Man: you'll be prompted for the same things that you are with the grab_na prog
08:52<Conaz>Snow-Man: and end up with the same listing
08:54<Snow-Man>ok
08:54<Conaz>Snow-Man: navigate to TV, then TV Listings on the left side bar
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10:15<krowi>hoi
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10:48<mithro>anyone here know much about how mythtv and xmltv interact?
10:49<captain_proton>its like the odd couple really
10:50<bline>mithro: if you are having trouble, there was a recient commit about fixing some conflicts
10:50<mithro>is it important to output the channel information? instead of just the other stuff?
10:51<Chutt>if you don't want people to have to enter their channels manually, yes.
10:51<mithro>i'm writing something to produce xmltv from tv.au.yahoo.com
10:55<mithro>with what arguments does it call tv_grab_<blah> with?
10:55<Chutt>anything you want it to
10:56<mithro>he he, what are the normal arguments?
10:56<Chutt>there aren't any.
10:56<Chutt>it selects based on the grabber.
10:58<mithro>but defaults to none?
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10:58<Chutt>it selects what arguments to call based on the grabber.
10:58<Chutt>there is no default.
10:59<Chutt>really, you should be modelling your grabber after an existing one.
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11:07<bline>mornin Chutt
11:08<Chutt>howdy
11:12<mithro>Chutt: i'm trying to... however i hate perl so i'm writing in python
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11:40<mithro>hrm i getting a "Error in 8:4: unexpected character"
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11:45<mithro>only i can't figure out whats causing it...
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12:06<Chutt2>bline, can you test something?
12:07<Chutt2>just thought of something..
12:07<Chutt2>NuppelVideoPlayer.h, change the MAXVBUFFERS define to, oh, 26 instead of 21
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12:10<bline>Chutt: sorry, at work
12:10<Chutt>ok
12:10<Chutt>well, give that a try when you can =)
12:10<bline>I'll make a note for when I go home in a few
12:10<Chutt>it _may_ be that the card's producing video frames at a different rate than the audio frames
12:10<bline>I couldn't sleep last night so I'll probably head home soon
12:10<Chutt>and a couple more frames of buffering will help
12:11<bline>Chutt: would that account for lower bitrate == more cutout?
12:11<Chutt>quite possibly
12:11<Chutt>i dunno
12:12<Chutt>heh
12:12<Chutt>i'm running at 480x480 with a avg and peak of 1000kbps
12:12<Chutt>looks horrible
12:13<bline>this layer2 audio bitrate stuff is a pita
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12:13<Chutt>tmk, so does that really fix the whine by just going to mono mode?
12:13<bline>the bitrate you use changed what modes are available with layer2
12:14<Chutt>bline, yup
12:14<bline>pain
12:14<bline>what if you set the wrong bitrate to mode?
12:14<tmk>yeah
12:14<tmk>dunno
12:15<bline>I wonder if the firmware will just use the default
12:15<tmk>all i did was look at the old settings and the new, whiny ones
12:15<tmk>then i made them the same
12:15<Chutt>i kind of need stereo :p
12:15<tmk>then whine it is!
12:15<Chutt>the whole dolby surround thing, ya know =)
12:15<Snow-Man>Things still working decently? :)
12:15<Chutt>snowman, yeah
12:15<tmk>bah dolby surround
12:15<Snow-Man>Damn I rawk.
12:15<tmk>just turn down the trble and send the same signal all around
12:16<Snow-Man>You people talk too much, btw.
12:16<Chutt>in here?
12:16<Snow-Man>No, on the mailing lists. :)
12:17<Conaz>Hehee, I went out of town for the weekend, that was way too much reading to catch up on
12:18<Snow-Man>I wonder just how closely one can compare it to lkml.
12:18<Chutt>not at all? :p
12:19<mithro>how does the epg color the backgrounds of the programs?
12:19<Snow-Man>Chutt: Erm, in terms of size and volume..?
12:19<Chutt>mithro, there's a category name -> color mapping in the theme
12:19<Chutt>snowman, what's lkml like in terms of # of messages these days?
12:19<Chutt>when you take into account your dsl, then sure, probably =)
12:20<Snow-Man>I think it's still like 100/dayish, maybe more.
12:20<Chutt>and there's patches and junk sent to that list
12:20<Chutt>and i'm sure the subscriber list is a tad higher
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12:21<Snow-Man>Hmm, according to vger it's more like 200-300/day.
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12:22<Snow-Man>He doesn't seem to give a number of subscribers anywhere.
12:22<Chutt>current delay is: 15 minutes
12:22<Chutt>2 minutes to go from www->relay, then the rest to deliver
12:23<Chutt>bline, i just sent that tweak request out to the mailing list, so hopefully someone'll take me up on that =)
12:23<Snow-Man>Yeah, I tried to cut down on the www->relay time.
12:24<Snow-Man>relay's getting pretty loaded again, must be alot of stuff happening atm.
12:27<Snow-Man>Heh, 9 messages in the past 30 minutes.
12:27* Chuttadds to the problem
12:27<Chutt>make that 10 :p
12:27* Snow-Mansighs.
12:27<Snow-Man>:)
12:27<Chutt>yea yea
12:28<Chutt>once we get the colo and stuff, all good
12:28<Snow-Man>You keep saying that.
12:28<Chutt>won't have to worry about network load
12:28<Snow-Man>It's not just network load. :)
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12:28<Chutt>so what's slowing down the current setup?
12:28<Chutt>cpu?
12:29<Chutt>it's rather decent on low traffic
12:29<Snow-Man>Some of it is network load, some of it is that you can't break the message up into 1 per user so people get stuck behind other people who have shitty servers.
12:30<tmk>nice domain there poptix
12:30<Snow-Man>The more you break up a message though the more processes that get started which can load the machine down.
12:30<Chutt>right
12:30<tmk>the archiving is what really eats the CPU tho
12:30<Snow-Man>Unless you go to defer'd mode and set a number of queue runners to process it.
12:30<Snow-Man>tmk: Not on the relay server it doesn't. :)
12:30<mithro>woot my tv_grab_aus2 is mostely working
12:30<tmk>ah sory i was only half following along ;)
12:31<Snow-Man>Can't run defer'd mode on relay though because it accepts inbound mail from places.
12:31<Chutt>snowman's got mail going through 3 different machines for the lists
12:31<Snow-Man>And besides, it was seeming to be slower.
12:31<Chutt>it was a lot slower
12:31<tmk>Chutt: hey have you tried just turning down the treble a bit to see if that fixes the whine?
12:31<Chutt>why would that fix it?
12:31<Chutt>it'd just mask it
12:32<Snow-Man>Chutt: All the real work for the list is done on relay. :P
12:32<Chutt>world->ns->relay->www->*mailman->www->relay->world
12:32<Chutt>:p
12:32<Snow-Man>Sure, but it's all one message until it hits relay and gets split up to go out to everyone.
12:32<Chutt>aye
12:32<tmk>Chutt: I'm not sure if it's an initial setting issue or something else
12:33<tmk>it may not matter at all
12:33<Snow-Man>And world->ns->relay->www should be very little time currently.
12:33<ender>so, any of you have a good method to re-encode the mythtv recorded shows into some more portable format?
12:33<Chutt>'bout a minute
12:33<Chutt>ender, read the howto.
12:33<Snow-Man>I'm suprised it's that much.
12:33<Chutt>well, not that much
12:33<mithro>is there a way to restore default settings on a page?
12:34<ender>Chutt: patching mplayer isn't exactly the "portable" I imagined.
12:34<Chutt>um
12:34<Snow-Man>mailman will take some amount of time, www->relay shouldn't take much time, and then it's all on relay for the real delivery work.
12:34<Chutt>it'll reencode them into a more portable format.
12:34<Chutt>which is exactly what you just asked.
12:35<Chutt>or, just buy a wintv pvr-* and it'll just use mpeg2
12:35<ender>Chutt: I meant something that I could burn to VCD
12:35<Chutt>ender, you do know that mplayer has an encoder in it, right?
12:35<bline>doesn't mythmkmovie do that?
12:35<Chutt>bline, yeah, it uses mplayer :p
12:36<ender>ok, let me rephrase. Any of you have a DECENT method...
12:36<bline>heh
12:36<Snow-Man>Daytime soaps suck.
12:36<Chutt>ender, what do you want?
12:36<Chutt>ender, mplayer has an encoder. you want an encoder that takes the .nuv format and puts it in something else. mplayer _does this_ with the patch
12:36<ender>is mplayer/mythmkmovie scriptable?
12:36<Chutt>are you just dense?
12:36* poptixperks
12:36<poptix>Chutt: mailing list running on mailman?
12:37<Chutt>poptix, yeah
12:37<ender>Chutt: re-encoding every file by hand is not my idea of a "decent" method.
12:37<poptix>and let me guess, the archiving is killing it
12:37<Chutt>ender, then come up with something else.
12:37<Chutt>poptix, no.
12:37<Snow-Man>What is with people?
12:37<ender>I was asking if any of YOU already had.
12:37<ender>obviously not.
12:37<Chutt>i answered you, you didn't listen.
12:37<tmk>poptix: i said that earlier :)
12:37<mithro>can somebody tell me the default sizes on "Small" font, "Medium" Font and "Big" Font?
12:37<Chutt>poptix, archiving takes no time at all
12:37<Snow-Man>Chutt: Oh, just kick him already.
12:37<Chutt>snowman, that's no fun
12:38<Snow-Man>It takes *some* time.
12:38<Chutt>i'd have to identify with nickserv
12:38<Chutt>ask chanserv to op me
12:38<Chutt>pain in the ass
12:38<Snow-Man>But it doesn't matter because the webserver doesn't really do jack.
12:38<poptix>the problem with mailman archiving is that it pushes everything into one gigantic mbox
12:38<Chutt>mithro, crack open programs/mythfrontend/globalsettings.cpp
12:39<poptix>hmm, it's only 41MB
12:39<Snow-Man>poptix: Actually that doesn't appear to really be a problem for these lists.
12:39<poptix>yeah, not yet =)
12:39<Chutt>ender, you asked for a encoder, that's mplayer. if you're now asking for a script that automates it all, that's mythmkmovie, as bline said.
12:39<mithro>Chutt: thanks
12:40<Snow-Man>poptix: <Shrug> We'll see.
12:40<poptix>well, if it turns into a worse problem where messages are getting lost, or severely delayed, i've got a system that can run the list
12:40<poptix>dual athlon mp 2000+ on a 10mbit line
12:41<poptix>sitting idle =p
12:41<Snow-Man>You and Mekinsy are cousins!! Dum-dum-dum.
12:41<Chutt>poptix, we're moving everything to a better machine soon.
12:41<Snow-Man>poptix: If it becomes a problem then chances are pretty good there's something that could be done about it.
12:42-!-Chutt has changed the topic to: http://www.mythtv.org/
12:42<Chutt>people changing the topic, geez
12:42<poptix>alrighty
12:42* poptixlooks for something else to do with the bandwidth
12:43<poptix>currently it's shared between 4 dialup modems =p
12:43<poptix>slight overkill
12:43<Snow-Man>Sounds like a real problem.
12:43<ender>ok next (potentially flamebait) question.. grep -ir of "mythmkmovie" returned no results in /usr/share/doc/myth-$version-/, and I don't see it in the web page's documentation. Am I not only stupid, but blind as well?
12:43<Chutt>google for it.
12:44<Chutt>it's not distributed with mythtv
12:44<Chutt>and i don't have the url handy
12:44<ender>ah.
12:45<ender>http://www.icelus.org/ <-- that seems to be it.
12:45<Chutt>sounds right
12:46<mithro>anyone here develop mythvideo?
12:46<Chutt>moegreen's the main guy
12:47<mithro>just checking here before i mail the person in the readme file :)
12:47<Chutt>who's in the readme?
12:47<mithro>mythweather really rocks....
12:47<Chutt>yeah, john danner is moegreen
12:48<mithro>john danner :)
12:48<mithro>okay cool;
12:48<mithro>going to try and get it work a bit nicer with episodes
12:48<mithro>so far my mythtv experiance has been very good :)
12:49<Chutt>tmk, do you know if changing the bitrate of the video affects how often it interleaves audio with the video bits?
12:51<Chutt>i don't see why it would, but..
12:53<mithro>anyone here a mythtv artist?
12:54<mithro>i need a mythdvd icon for the blue theme
12:55<ender>thank you (belated). mythmkmovie seems to be what I need, now to see if it's scriptable.
12:57<Conaz>If you are planning on using cutlists with mythmkmovie you might want to try it out on one file first and see if the very slight sound offset will annoy you too much
12:58<ender>hrm, cutlists?
13:00<Conaz>If you've marked the commercials
13:04<tmk>Chutt: not sure
13:05<tmk>all the encoding is done on-chip.. i just push bits around :)
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13:05<tmk>why do you ask?
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13:09<Chutt>thinking that the audio buffer might be draining on playback which is causing those sound cutouts people are hearing
13:09<ender>Conaz: ah. I'm not sure if I marked commercials or not. Perhaps it would be better if I didn't? would the audio still be out of synch if I skip commercials all together?
13:11<Chutt>ah well, i should have confirmation either way soon
13:12<tmk>did you change the buffer?
13:12<Chutt>nope
13:12<Chutt>i don't see the issue, though
13:12<tmk>ah
13:12<tmk>yeah those are the worst..
13:16<Conaz>ender: I think if you don't cut out the commercials the audio is fine
13:16<Conaz>Although I haven't tried
13:17<Conaz>Since my main goal was to cut out the commercials and then save the resulting media file onto CD
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13:27<marc>hello...
13:28<marc>when I manually add a line to channel in mythconverg (mysql), mythtv does not jump to that channel with the up/down keys.
13:28<marc>what am I missing?
13:32<ender>Conaz: yeah thats mine too.
13:33<ender>but I can live w/ commercials if it'll mean that audio is in sync. out of sync audio would drive me NUTS.
13:34<Conaz>Yes, I hear ya, even though it is only very slightly off
13:34<Conaz>you might want to try one and see for yourself
13:34<ender>slightly is enough (;
13:34<ender>I will.
13:34<ender>so this mkmovie is basically just making a single frame AVI for eveyr frame in the video file, then compiling all these frames into a movie again?
13:37<Conaz>ender: I do belive so
13:38<Conaz>believe even
13:38<Snow-Man>How do I update the database of channels with a new .xmltv file?
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13:40<just1nux>chutt, or anyoneelse who knows the answer...if i turn off dnr to get rid of ghostings on the pvr-250, does that mean i cant change the bitrate it encodes at anymore? the ivtv app shows the correct bitrate but it doesnt seem have any effect on the file sizes for me anymore.
13:41<tmk>justin_: no they should be independant
13:41<tmk>err
13:41<tmk>just1nux: you may need to change the bitrate after you change the dnr setting
13:42<tmk>i've not tried many of the settings
13:42<just1nux>wierd. it used to work fine, then i updated to the current ivtv cvs started using the thingn to get rid of the annoying ghosting and now, no matter what bitrate i use, i get the huge files.
13:42<just1nux>ive tried that
13:42<tmk>hmm
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13:42<tmk>it's possible that someone put in a patch atht breaks the bitrate settings
13:42<just1nux>ive changed it 4 times, and still the same, do i need to restart mythbackend?
13:43<tmk>have you tried setting the stuff via the ivtv tools?
13:43<tmk>test_ioctl
13:43<just1nux>yep, thats what ive been using
13:43<just1nux>it even shows the right bitrate when i use -C
13:43<tmk>and does the bitrate setting work with dnr turned on?
13:44<just1nux>havent tried turnign it back on.. i will though.
13:44<Snow-Man>hmm, hmm.
13:46<tmk>just1nux: try #ivtv-dev for pvr problems
13:46<just1nux>ok, np just thought id ask here first incase it was a known thing
13:50<Chutt>just1nux, works fine here
13:50<Chutt>and, the dnr_mode stuff isn't necessary anymore with current cvs
13:51<tmk>yeah we set it to 0's automatically
13:51<Chutt>and, how's your theme coming? =)
13:52<tmk>you might want to try and get different firmware
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13:57<just1nux>chutt: i got a couple more screens down, no captures of them eyt though
13:59<just1nux>chutt: is it posible to position icons relative to the overall screen and not offset from where the button is? im thinking no.
13:59<Chutt>talking about the menu?
13:59<just1nux>yeah
13:59<Chutt>yeah, you can't
14:00<Chutt>since it positions the buttons for you..
14:00<just1nux>yeah i know the button is positioned for me, thats fine. i just wanted all the icons in the same place, so that you would only see the on that you are over at the moment...less clutter.
14:01<Chutt>aah
14:01<Chutt>i could make it do that
14:01<just1nux>just would need the option of an absolute position instead of an offset.
14:01<Chutt>well
14:02<Chutt>you'd want one static positions for all the icons, right?
14:02<just1nux>yeah
14:02<Chutt>like, you'll have buttons somewhere on screen, and the shown icon will change depending which is highlighted?
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14:03<just1nux>exactly.
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14:03<just1nux>(although it may be larger and more graphical than an icon.)
14:03<Chutt>right
14:03<Chutt>i can do that
14:04<Chutt>would you want it in addition to the icons, perhaps?
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14:04<just1nux>:) cool. that might make it more flexible. call it a picture or something instead.
14:04<Chutt>yeah
14:05<just1nux>i wasnt planning to use both, but some people might want that.
14:05<Chutt>would this be overlapping the buttons?
14:05<Chutt>at all?
14:05<Chutt>since that would make it more difficult to do with the current method of drawing the buttons
14:05<just1nux>i wasnt planning to
14:05<Snow-Man>Damnit.
14:05<Chutt>ok
14:05<Snow-Man>tv guide is right, the zap2it thing appears to be wrong.
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14:06<just1nux>i was mostly just trying to find a way to make screen less cluttered with icons but still have the identifiability of the icons.
14:07<Snow-Man>ok, it's 'Device D', supposedly.
14:10<Peit|Home>hmm, does mythtv not do streaming across the network?
14:10<Chutt>of course it does.
14:11<Chutt>it has for half a year.
14:11<just1nux>wired...networks. (wireless = too slow)
14:11<marc>sorry for bothering...
14:12<marc>when i add a channel to channel table in mysql
14:12<Chutt>you didn't add the channel right.
14:12<marc>mythfrontend doesn't allow me to select it
14:12<marc>with up/down keys
14:12<Snow-Man>hehe.
14:12<zaheer>just1nux: its fine on my 802.11b network
14:12<Snow-Man>I like Chutt's response-before-question. :)
14:13<Snow-Man>What's the story on the TV listings anyway? It sounds like there might be some trouble getting them in the future?
14:13<Peit|Home>Chutt: hmm, I'm not seeing _any_ network traffic after the initial connection
14:13<Snow-Man>At least, when I was searching around for answers to some things people were saying stuff like that.
14:13<Chutt>zap2it could always shut down access to it
14:13<Chutt>peit|home, then you don't have it setup right. read the howto.
14:13<marc>chutt: how do I add it 'right'?
14:14<Chutt>marc, i don't know, you're the one adding things to the database by hand
14:14<Peit|Home>if i rung strace mythtv i get a lot of "--- SIGRTMIN (Unknown signal 32) ---" and a number of others in a loop
14:14<Chutt>strace is useless.
14:15<Snow-Man>Chutt: But they're not that likely to? Or at least, they havn't yet.
14:15<Chutt>snowman, it's up to them
14:15<Snow-Man>Well, sure, but are they actively looking at it or something?
14:15<Chutt>i wouldn't know
14:15<marc>chutt, copying what another line in the db says, then changing chanid and channum and callsign
14:16<marc>and xmltvid
14:16<Snow-Man>ok, some guy said he talked to the VP of some place or other.
14:16* Snow-Manshrugs.
14:16<marc>switching channels does show channum in the OSD btw, although I selected channel name
14:17<Chutt>there is no setting to change the channum in the osd.
14:17<Chutt>marc, if it's ignoring the channel in the database, it's not setup properly.
14:17<Chutt>that's _your_ issue.
14:17<Snow-Man>hehe
14:18<marc>setup -> tv settings -> playback -> general
14:18<Chutt>since you're bypassing everything that adds things to the database automatically
14:18<marc>'display channel names instead of numbers'
14:18<marc>need to. I am trying to use nxtvepg for loading epg stuff
14:18<Chutt>that's for the playback box and program guide.
14:18<Chutt>not the osd.
14:19<marc>ok. thanks
14:19<marc>where can i check in setup? Running mythfilldatabase --file with an xmltv file from nxtvepg
14:20<Chutt>figure it out yourself
14:20<Chutt>you're going beyond what mythtv does
14:20<marc>well, thanks for the support...
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14:21<Chutt>you expect free tech support?
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14:22<Chutt>there's a single function in mythtv that pulls the channel data out of the database to see if it can be tuned to.
14:22<Chutt>you _could_ add some debugging to there to figure out what's going wrong
14:22<Chutt>but that would take effort, i suppose
14:22<marc>i'm just illiterate in all things programming
14:22<marc>i am comfortable with sql
14:22<marc>and enjoy tinkering around with stuff
14:23<marc>but anything remotely c-like scares me to hell
14:32<Seela>it's time to face your fears, my son!
14:33<Seela>tinker with it, the worst thing you can do is screw it up beyond repair.. then just check it out of CVS and try again :P
14:33<Chutt>and it's fairly simple code -- it's just doing some sql selects
14:34<Chutt>libs/libmythtv/tv_rec.cpp, DoGetNextChannel()
14:34<marc>ok, I'll see to find it...
14:35<marc> but I warn you, should the universe bluescreen, it wasn't my fault ;-)
14:36<ender>Conaz: how long does it take your system to re-encode a movie file?
14:37<ender>mine's been going almost 2 hours now on a 20minute file.
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14:46<Conaz>ender: does it keep saying the same filename?
14:49<Conaz>ender: there is a loop in there where it checks the exit value of mencoder, and if it fails, it will simply loop over and over creating the first of two stub files
14:49<Conaz>What you should do, is stop the process, and copy the command that it is running, and paste it in the command line
14:49<Conaz>And see if mencoder is failing
14:59<Snow-Man>Damnit. I keep getting pauses.
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15:01<Conaz>pauses in your recordings?
15:01<Snow-Man>In watching live tv.
15:01<Chutt>do you still have it compiled in debug mode?
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15:04<Chutt>just1nux, just added those button pictures you wanted
15:04<ender>Conaz: ah thats what it's doing.
15:05<Chutt>to use em:
15:05<Conaz>ender: let me check what I was missing
15:05<Chutt>in theme.xml, in the <genericbutton> definition. add a <watermarkposition>x,y</watermarkposition>
15:05<Chutt>then each button defined later on can have a <watermarkimage>imagepath</watermarkimage>
15:06<Chutt>in addition to a button icon or whatnot
15:06<Conaz>ender: I had to install libpng-devel and then re-compile mplayer packages
15:06<ender>Error: suboption 'w' of 'mf' must have a parameter!
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15:06<Conaz>that doesn't sound familiar
15:07<Conaz>ender: I recall mine was complaining about building the png file
15:07<ender>hrm.
15:08<ender>I'll have to patch mplayer and try it again.
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15:09<Conaz>ender: good luck
15:09<Snow-Man>ii mythtv-backend 0.9.1-1 A personal video recorder application (serve
15:09<Snow-Man>Using the 0.9.1 debs
15:10<Chutt>heh
15:10<Chutt>oh well
15:10<Chutt>try cvs, see if it's better
15:10<Chutt>what's cpu like
15:10<Chutt>make sure dma is turned on
15:10<Chutt>etc etc etc
15:14<just1nux>Chutt, cool!
15:14<just1nux>chutt, ill give it a try
15:14<Chutt>you'll have to update to current cvs, of course =)
15:14<just1nux>of course :)
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15:17<just1nux>chutt: thanks for making that change.
15:17<Chutt>no problemo
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15:18<bline>home at last
15:19<Chutt>bline, i checked that in just now, so you could just update to current cvs and see if it helps
15:19<Snow-Man>[1]+ Segmentation fault mythbackend
15:19<Snow-Man>heh.
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15:19<bline>ok Chutt, I was just looking through logs to see what it was :)
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15:22<Chutt>it will need a complete make clean, etc, since i bumped the lib version up due to something else
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15:25<bline>okie
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15:37<bline>Chutt: that fixed it
15:37<bline>!
15:38<Chutt>cool.
15:38<Chutt>how's a/v sync?
15:38<Chutt>'specially after seeking
15:39<bline>It's slow motion for about 1/4 sec after I seek
15:39<Chutt>heh
15:39<bline>it's very useable though
15:39<Chutt>try turning on the aggressive audio buffering
15:40<bline>that didn't seem to affect it
15:40<Chutt>heh
15:40<Chutt>oh well
15:40<Chutt>avsync's perfect here after seeking
15:40<bline>it's really not very noticable
15:41<bline>so what was it?
15:41<bline>wow, this hasn't worked for a long time, I didn't realize how much I missed it
15:41<Chutt>apparently changing the bitrate affects how it interleaves audio and video packets
15:41<bline>Thanks
15:42<Chutt>so when the video buffer was full, it'd drain the audio buffer
15:42<bline>Do you think the audio bitrate settings could help this?
15:42<Chutt>potentially
15:42<bline>I should finish this UI thing
15:42<bline>man audio is a bitch
15:43<bline>I mean that massive bitfield
15:43<Chutt>yeah
15:43<Chutt>that needs helper functions in the driver
15:43<Chutt>user apps shouldn't be messing with stuff like that
15:44<bline>hmm, how would that work? Are there v4l2 ioctl's for that?
15:44<Chutt>there could be =)
15:45<bline>I may just look into patching that into the driver
15:45<Chutt>well, driver extensions to the standard ones, at least
15:45<bline>if there is
15:45<tmk>v4l is video only
15:45<tmk>there are probably audio api's for it tho
15:45<bline>it has some capture stuff
15:45<tmk>i need to implement audio for the YUV stuff anyhoo
15:46<tmk>s/i/someone
15:46<Chutt>heh
15:46<Chutt>no more driver patches from me for a bit
15:46<Chutt>i just got tired of people asking why pal was all messed up =)
15:47<tmk>what's pal
15:47<tmk>;)
15:47<bline>heh
15:47<tmk>pal seems to work differently than does ntsc
15:48<tmk>the digitizer can do ntsc fine with just one task
15:48<tmk>but pal doesn't work for some reason
15:48<tmk>needs 'continuous mode'
15:49<Chutt>odd
15:49<tmk>yeah
15:49<tmk>i thought so too
15:49<tmk>but i don'thave PAL to play with
15:49<bline>move to europe
15:49<tmk>do people seem to like the arbitrary sized video option
15:50<tmk>or do they keep to the standard sizes?
15:50<tmk>heh then i'd need to get a new card
15:50<Chutt>i record at 480x480
15:50<Chutt>looks the same on the tv, and it's easier on the crappy mini-itx i have out in the living room
15:50<tmk>cool
15:51<Chutt>but that's a fairly standard size
15:51<tmk>yeah
15:51<tmk>i thought it was really neat when i found i could do arbitrary sizes
15:51<Chutt>heh
15:51<Chutt>i dunno, it's kind of not all that useful
15:51<tmk>since it's usually pretty restrictive
15:51<tmk>well
15:52<tmk>if your computer is like 10% too slow
15:52<tmk>or something
15:52<tmk>it might be
15:52<Chutt>true
15:52<tmk>but soon (hopefully) decoding will be hardware
15:52<tmk>so all that matters is i/o
15:52<Chutt>whaddya think the chances are of exposing it as a generic framebuffer?
15:52<tmk>does myth support any of the streaming i/o options?
15:52<tmk>i'll tryit
15:53<Chutt>naw, it just does reads for now
15:53<Chutt>didn't really see a reason to switch over
15:53<tmk>seems like it'd help in multiple tuner boxes
15:53<tmk>yuv is a lot of data
15:53<Chutt>not doin yuv, though =)
15:53<tmk>not with the itv cards
15:53<tmk>but with bttv
15:53<Chutt>oh, it only does the streaming/mmap stuff for those
15:54<Chutt>no support for the read interface there
15:54<tmk>ehhe
15:54<Chutt>since yeah, it is slow for that much data
15:54<tmk>mmap eh
15:54<tmk>i was thinking user buffers would be easier to implement now that i look at it
15:54<tmk>not sure how the dma code would liek that tho
15:56<tmk>the thing i'm worried about with a framebuffer is video sync
15:56<Chutt>well
15:56<Chutt>thing is, you need some way to just display regular graphics on it
15:56<tmk>that's easy
15:56<Chutt>with no video decoding
15:56<tmk>the osd code accepts rgb
15:56<tmk>not sure of the speed of that tho
15:56<Chutt>and it'd be nice if that were to work like a normal framebuffer in linux
15:57<tmk>yeah
15:57<Chutt>so qt/embedded would work on it, potentially
15:57<tmk>i can certainly do yuv
15:57<tmk>if that's easier to convert to
15:57<Chutt>rgb would be good for the non-video "osd"
15:58<Chutt>but yuv would be good for the blended into video osd
15:58<tmk>yeah that's the design it looked like
15:58<tmk>well what i'd like
15:58<Chutt>but i could work with rgb all the time if necessary
15:58<tmk>is the osd layer to be avail separately
15:58<tmk>ie draw it on a separate buffer
15:58<tmk>and use the on-card alpha blendign and such
15:58<Chutt>right
15:59<Chutt>it's just that all the non-video stuff in mythtv uses Qt for drawing, and that needs to get to the card somehow =)
15:59<tmk>pip would have to be hacked tho
15:59<Chutt>i dunno
15:59<Chutt>pip's pretty much a toy feature
15:59<tmk>:)
15:59<Chutt>use it once or twice, then never again
15:59<tmk>ya
16:00<tmk>my tv has this featuer
16:00<tmk>where it uses 1 tuner to tune 9 pictures
16:00<tmk>updates each about once a second
16:00<tmk>that's kidn of neat
16:00<tmk>toy feature tho
16:00<tmk>so does QT just draw to an X display?
16:01<Chutt>yeah, but qt/embedded talks to a framebuffer device
16:01<tmk>how hard would it be to redirect a framebuffer to memory somewhere
16:01<Chutt>i'm not sure exactly how that all works, but mythtv does compile and run with their virtual framebuffer stuff
16:01<tmk>hm
16:01<Chutt>i think that's all their 'qvfb' does
16:01<tmk>well i suppose i should actually try it
16:02<tmk>before we get too far ahead of ourselves
16:02<Chutt>redirects the framebuffer to an X window
16:02<tmk>what about the reverse of that
16:02<tmk>i think i might be able to get the ivytv decoder to do an overlay window
16:02<tmk>would that be nicer?
16:02<Chutt>how would you do tv out?
16:03<tmk>video card
16:03<tmk>just like normal
16:03<tmk>i'm talking for a pvr250-rev1
16:03<Chutt>yeah, that'd work, too
16:03<Chutt>i don't have a rev1 =)
16:03<tmk>since the rev1's have a decoder but no video out
16:03<tmk>heh
16:03<tmk>i do
16:03<tmk>but you could use the 350 to test it
16:03<Chutt>i'd like to use the -350 for tv out, though
16:03<tmk>ya
16:03<tmk>but for testing for rev1 folks
16:04<Chutt>since i'm sure that the tv out on there's better than on a random video card
16:04<tmk>audio is another issue though.. not sure if i can grab the audio
16:04<Chutt>aah
16:04<tmk>yeah no kidding
16:04<Chutt>yeah, that may cause problems
16:04<Chutt>no audio, be hard to do a/v sync
16:04<tmk>yeah :<
16:05<tmk>does your 250 have a row of 13 pins or so at the top
16:05<tmk>like the 350 does
16:05<tmk>a little header
16:05<tmk>I'm not sure what it's for, but it may be the digitizer's aux port
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16:06<tmk>my 250 doesn't have it btw
16:07<Chutt>i'd have to open up a computer to see
16:07<tmk>no biggie
16:07<tmk>i still have to follow the traces to see where they go
16:08<tmk>so is myth like your fulltime job?
16:08<ender>Writing AVI header...
16:08<ender>libpng error: [0D]IHD: invalid chunk type
16:08<Drikus>tmk: http://www.shspvr.com/pvr2_faq.html
16:08<ender>hrm,...
16:09<tmk>thx
16:09<tmk>tis video input
16:09<ender>Conaz: I get a new error this time...
16:12<bline>tmk: would you take a patch that moved most of the audio stuff into v4l2 ioctl's?
16:12<tmk>i could
16:12<tmk>i'd have to make some up tho
16:13<tmk>i don't think v4l cares much for audio
16:13<tmk>but since it's part of the codec
16:13<bline>I know I saw an audio section in the docs
16:13<tmk>i'd likely put it in the compression one
16:13<tmk>yeah there's like "stereo/sap/etc"
16:16<bline>heh, yeah your right
16:16<bline>grr
16:16<tmk>it's part of the codec tho
16:16<tmk>it should go in the codec section
16:17<bline>let's just revise v4l2
16:17<tmk>we are ;)
16:17<Chutt>cool, ivtv driver just locked up
16:17<Chutt>=)
16:17* tmkhides
16:17<bline>it was user error
16:18<Chutt>suuure it was
16:18<tmk>how did it lock
16:18<Chutt>right after starting a recording
16:18<tmk>long strings of errors?
16:18<Chutt>don't know, i wasn't on a console
16:18<tmk>did it take like 10 seconds to return?
16:18<bline>tmk: Chutt is right though, that stuff is a little complicated without having some kind of wrapper around
16:18<tmk>which stuff
16:18<Chutt>tmk, machine locked
16:19<tmk>audio settings?
16:19<tmk>ah
16:19<bline>yeah
16:19<tmk>how do you know it was ivtv/
16:19<Chutt>because it _just_ had started a recording
16:19<Chutt>and nothing else but a driver can lock up a box
16:19* tmkblames the soundcard
16:19<Chutt>no playback :p
16:19<tmk>hehe
16:19<tmk>damn
16:19<tmk>must be the crappy firmware
16:19* tmkcovered that up well
16:20<tmk>bline: i'm not sure the audio settings are even working
16:20<tmk>i don't think i put that code in
16:20<tmk>and the digitizer needs to be told when audio's chaning
16:20<tmk>+g
16:20<bline>you pass it to the driver from what I saw
16:20<bline>oh
16:21<bline>when it _does_ work it would be nicer to have an ioctl per setting rather than that very large bitfeild
16:21<bline>that would also make error checking in the driver better
16:21<tmk>i agree
16:21<tmk>make it so #1
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16:37* Snow-Manattempts to watch tv again.
16:38<Snow-Man>Is it just me or does mythtv reset the main volume even though it's not what is controlled through the volume stuff?
16:38* Snow-Manrenice's mythbackend to -10
16:39<Snow-Man>Grrrr, still getting pauses.
16:40<Chutt>you didn't answer any of my other questions about that
16:40<Chutt>no support for you!
16:40<Snow-Man>haha, I didn't?
16:40<Chutt><Chutt> heh
16:40<Chutt><Chutt> oh well
16:40<Chutt><Chutt> try cvs, see if it's better
16:40<Chutt><Chutt> what's cpu like
16:40<Chutt><Chutt> make sure dma is turned on
16:40<Chutt><Chutt> etc etc etc
16:40<Snow-Man>cpu is 50% to mythbackend
16:41<Snow-Man>Make sure which is using dma?
16:41<Snow-Man>The disk?
16:41<Chutt>the harddrive
16:41<Chutt>yea
16:41<tmk>hdparm -d1 /dev/hda
16:42<Snow-Man>AMD7411: disabling single-word DMA support (revision < C4)
16:42<Snow-Man>hrmmmm.
16:42<Chutt>make sure you haven't messed up the default quality settings and stuff
16:42<Snow-Man> ide0: BM-DMA at 0xf000-0xf007, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:DMA
16:42<Snow-Man> ide1: BM-DMA at 0xf008-0xf00f, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:DMA
16:42<Chutt>i'm assuming you're using mpeg4?
16:42<Snow-Man>Yes, using mpeg4, at like 4000 or something
16:42<Chutt>hdparm, not dmesg
16:42<Chutt>silly.
16:43<Snow-Man>hdparm scares me.
16:43<Chutt>too bad
16:43<Snow-Man>haha
16:44<Snow-Man> using_dma = 1 (on)
16:44<Chutt>ok
16:44<Chutt>that wasn't so hard :p
16:44<Snow-Man>yea, well, I had to make sure it wasn't going to *do* anything.
16:44<Snow-Man>Unlike what tmk was suggesting.
16:45<Chutt>that wouldn't have done anything
16:45<Chutt>since it was already on
16:45<Snow-Man>bah
16:45<Snow-Man>I havn't tried cvs yet but I suppose I will sometime soon.
16:46<Snow-Man>Of course, it seems to be working now.
16:47<tmk>Chutt: looks like the OSD API is setup likea framebuffer
16:47<tmk>complete with blt'ing
16:48<Chutt>nice
16:53<Snow-Man>For which?
16:53<tmk>pvr-350
16:55<Snow-Man>So how long till mythtv supports it? ;)
16:57<Chutt>Hi! I've redesigned the database schema, but i don't know c++, so implement it for me, please!
16:57<Snow-Man>haha
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17:05<billytwowilly>is there a todo list for mythtv anywhere? there used to be one on the website, but it appears to be gone and a preliminary look through cvs doesn't pop anything up.
17:06<Chutt>there isn't really one
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17:06<billytwowilly>doh;)
17:06<billytwowilly>I was looking forward to reading up on upcoming features;)
17:07<billytwowilly>I finally got my box working in some semblance of the way I want and now I'm getting excited about the future of the project.
17:09<bline>Chutt: alex worked on improving the mailing list archive over the weekend, I think you'll like the results once we update.
17:10<Chutt>neat
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17:26<Snow-Man>There it went again.
17:26<Snow-Man>It seems to be doing it at the end of commercial breaks, actually.
17:27<Snow-Man>19262 mythtv 15 -10 43396 32m 7156 S 42.3 6.5 20:08.12 mythbackend
17:27<just1nux>chutt: i just installed current cvs...can't seem to get the watermark thing to work.
17:27<Snow-Man>Still mad CPU usage.
17:27<Chutt>just1nux, send me the theme?
17:27<Snow-Man>Of course, it's under gdb now, but it segfaulted, so what do you want from me? :)
17:28<Chutt>snowman, uh, nothing?
17:28<Chutt>you're a big boy, you know how to debug things
17:28<Chutt>how exactly is 40% cpu 'mad cpu usage'?
17:29<Chutt>software compression of video isn't exactly easy
17:29<Snow-Man>Sorry, just saying it's still using the same CPU it is other times.
17:29<Snow-Man>It's not like spinning out of control, but it's not sitting around doing nothing either.
17:29<Chutt>turn off commercial skipping
17:29<Chutt>the automatic stuff
17:30<just1nux>chutt: nevermind. the image i was using must have been blank or something. tried another one and it worked.
17:40<Snow-Man>I was thinking that might be it.
17:41<Chutt>freetype is just a large pile of crap.
17:42<Chutt>2.1.4-rc2 renders properly in the osd
17:42<Snow-Man>I need to just start recording stuff again.
17:42<Chutt>2.1.4 does not.
17:42<Chutt>piece of shit.
17:43<Snow-Man>I need to move to CVS sometime too so I don't get that other window popping up. :)
17:43<Snow-Man>The "Do you really wanna exit?" one. :)
17:43<Chutt>it still gets shown.
17:44<Chutt>just not as a separate window
17:46<Snow-Man>I know.
17:46<Snow-Man>That one guy did have a question I was wondering about and didn't see an answer.. Is mplayer scriptable?
17:47<Chutt>there's a command line interface to it
17:47<Snow-Man>Cool.
17:48<Snow-Man>Not that I'd do something so foolish as record a movie off of TV and convert it to a different format for permanent storage with my other movies.
17:48<Snow-Man>'cause, like, that might be illigal or something.
17:48<Snow-Man>:)
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17:56<Chutt>captain_murdoch, hi
17:56* Snow-Mansets up to record many hours of stuff.
17:57<Snow-Man>Need 'record this program on this channel at this time every night'
17:58<Chutt>that's what the timeslot stuff does.
17:58<Chutt>the 'on this channel' is implied
17:58<Chutt>there
17:58<Chutt>fixed the ttf crap
17:58<Chutt>i think
17:58<Snow-Man>I must be missing something.
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17:59<Captain_Murdoch>hey, got bumped offline for some reason.
17:59<Snow-Man>Or, well, mythweb is missing that option
17:59<Chutt>'Record this program in this timeslot every [day/week]'
17:59<Chutt>snowman, mythweb 0.9's broken when selecting single recordings
17:59<Chutt>just to let you know =)
18:00<Snow-Man>Oh, fuck.
18:00<Snow-Man>:(
18:00<Snow-Man>Like, broken as in 'Record only this showing of the program' don't work?
18:00<Captain_Murdoch>has mythweb ever been fixed to put in the dates properly for non-single recordings?
18:00<Snow-Man>And I'm guessing it's busted in 0.9.1 too, eh?
18:01<Peit|Home>Chutt: been doing some more testing, (including moving my client from being a router to a straight box), I can see data on the network now, and hear the drive in the other machine doing its thing, mythfrontend starts up, but i don't get a video window, can this be blamed on enlightenment?
18:01<Captain_Murdoch>I think that was hosing me up when testing the weekslot stuff since a lot of my timeslot's didn't have dates specified.
18:01<Chutt>if you select a program on a different day on the same channel and same time as an existing recording
18:01<Chutt>captain_murdoch, i dunno
18:01<Snow-Man>hrmmm, dunno if I did that with any of this.
18:01<Chutt>same start time, at least
18:01<Chutt>it'll wipe out the existing recording
18:02<Snow-Man>Oh. Well, that's kinda annoying but not criminal at least.
18:02<Chutt>eh
18:02<Chutt>it's fixed in cvs
18:02<Snow-Man>ok.
18:02<Chutt>and mythweb doesn't have to be compiled or anything
18:02<Snow-Man>I'm gonna move to that soon anyway I guess.
18:02<Chutt>so it can be upgraded easily
18:02<Chutt>i dunno
18:03<Snow-Man>That's true.
18:03<Chutt>i'm kinda thinking of putting out 0.10 soonish
18:03<Snow-Man>eh, whateva', I'm still just playing with it atm.
18:03<Chutt>need to talk to moegreen/thor/captain_murdoch/mdz 'bout it
18:03<bline>0.9.2?
18:03<Chutt>0.10
18:03<Chutt>too many changes :p
18:04<bline>some nice fixes, atleast for me :)
18:04<Captain_Murdoch>fine with me, my major stuff went in soon after 0.9.1 was released.
18:04<Chutt>i'd like to have _some_ major new features, though
18:04<Chutt>hmm
18:04<tmk>hardware card support!
18:04<tmk>;)
18:05<Chutt>you're not going to get that done soon, are you?
18:05<bline>is there a key to get to the new advanced mode when selecting a show for recording?
18:05<Snow-Man>Please say you are so I can look at buying one of those cards instead of the 250 or whatever.
18:05<bline>I've seen it once, by mistake..
18:05<tmk>Chutt: I mean input, not output
18:05<tmk>no not anytime soon
18:06<Snow-Man>There is support for hardware cards for input..
18:06<tmk>right
18:06<tmk>but not in a major ver i though
18:06<tmk>only cvs
18:06<tmk>or did you put that in?
18:07<Chutt>it's in 0.9
18:07<bline>it's was in for the 0.9 release
18:07<bline>I'd like to see the color stuff work though :)
18:07<Chutt>bline, you know what to do :p
18:07<bline>heh
18:07* blinelearns C++ overnight
18:08<tmk>bah c++
18:08* blinerewrites mythtv in c
18:09* tmkrejoices
18:10<Chutt>heh
18:10<Chutt>the color stuff's easy
18:10<Chutt>libs/libmythtv/channel.cpp
18:10<Chutt>near the bottom
18:10* blinelooks
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18:11<vektor>i heard there was a c++ bashing going on
18:11* vektorattends
18:12<Chutt>vektor's got spies
18:13<bline>that looks simple enough, just another else if for the v4l2 ioctl's
18:13<tmk>what color stuff is this?
18:14<bline>the stuff I added with my patch
18:14<tmk>oh
18:14<Peit|Home>o.k. it does the same under KDE as enlightenment
18:14<bline>contrast, saturation etc
18:14<tmk>yeah
18:14<Peit|Home>:(
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18:57<bigguy>hmm
18:57<bigguy>who was bashing c++?
18:58<tmk-working><--
18:58<bigguy>hehe
18:59<bigguy>you been reading the Enlightenment C++ Haters Guide Book by M. Jennings?
18:59<tmk-working>no i don't read tech-books as a general rule
19:01<bigguy>hehe it's not a real book
19:01<tmk-working>i see
19:01<tmk-working>well then how could i have read it
19:01* tmk-workingthinks that was an unfair question
19:01<bigguy>it's just that most of the E developers are C++ haters and can't really give any valid reasons
19:01<bigguy>other than Alan Cox said .....
19:02<tmk-working>c++ is slow
19:02<tmk-working>my biggest issue is that i had a teacher that insisted on c++
19:02<tmk-working>she was unkind
19:02<tmk-working>plus i learned OO on java
19:02<tmk-working>that was more intuitive
19:02<bigguy>heh I haven't touched java
19:03<bigguy>only messed with c, c++ and perl(gtk-perl)
19:03<bigguy>oh wait lisp
19:03* tmk-workingwithdraws from the debate
19:03<tmk-working>these are silly
19:03-!-tmk-working is now known as tmk
19:03<bigguy>I wasn't debating
19:04<bigguy>if I was debating it'd be on
19:04<bigguy>:)
19:04<bigguy>anyway back to lurking
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20:17<Chutt>mdz, around?
20:20<mdz_>Chutt: yep
20:21<Chutt>spend any time on the scheduler issues?
20:21<Chutt>i was thinking of just temporarily making a don't record list in memory
20:22<Chutt>to at least fix the delete->restart issue
20:30<Chutt>ok
20:30<Chutt>desired behavior in this case:
20:31<Chutt>program 1 records from 8 to 8:30, program 2 records from 8 to 9. user manually selects program 1 to record in preference to 2
20:31<Chutt>user deletes program 1 while it's recording. should 2 start?
20:31<Chutt>i'm inclined to say no
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20:38<tmk>does irc.freenode.net resolve to 127.0.0.1 for anyone else?
20:39<Snow-Man>haha, it does for me. :)
20:40<Chutt>-lilo- [Global Notice] Hi all. Current status: the main rotation is currently pointed to 127.0.0.1, and one of the MR servers is down, two have been shut down since the problem started
20:41* Snow-Mansmirks.
20:41<mdz_>Chutt: no, I started messing with overrides and didn't get around to doing much
20:41<mdz_>Chutt: do you think it's better to make a quick fix?
20:41<Chutt>well
20:41<Chutt>i dunno
20:41<Chutt>this'll work for now
20:42<Chutt>and it's going to take 10-15 minutes
20:42<mdz_>yeah
20:42<Snow-Man>mkay, everything's hooked up, now I just need a way to control the frontend without using the keyboard.
20:42<Snow-Man>:)
20:42<Snow-Man>Well, the keyboard on the machine it's running on.
20:42<mdz_>if you want to prepare for a release, I'd say it's better to do the easy fix
20:42<Chutt>well
20:42<mdz_>because I'm not going to finish overrides anytime soon
20:42<Chutt>i'm not sure about a release
20:42<Chutt>just, next couple weeks would be nice
20:42<Chutt>keep things movin along
20:43<Snow-Man>Chutt: Remote control mechanism would be a nice new feature! ;)
20:43<Chutt>so write it
20:43<Chutt>:p
20:43<mdz_>I've been too busy with Debian stuff to do anything much with mythtv lately
20:44<Chutt>bah
20:44<Snow-Man>bah is right.
20:44* Snow-Mangoes off to look at the silly code.
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21:01<Seela>the docs say to use XMLTV 0.5.10, but 0.5.11 is the newest version... is there any benefit to upgrading or will it break the app?
21:02<Chutt>don't upgrade unless you're running cvs mythtv
21:02<Chutt>the brilliant minds that write xmltv decided to break things
21:02<tmk>./topic #mythtv, where we hold the xmltv team in the highest esteem
21:02<Chutt>that pissed me off last night
21:02<Seela>yeah i read about some DTD change so i was curious heh
21:04<Seela>I wonder how they get their info, from so many cable setups from all over the country
21:04<Chutt>www.zap2it.com
21:06<Seela>ahhh ok that's pretty cool
21:06<Seela>i wonder if they have a deal going, or if zap2it will eventually get angry because so many are using their services without viewing the ad banners
21:07<tmk>i bet they change it regularly to keep track of who's using it actively
21:07<bline>the latter
21:08<Seela>well luckily this whole "build your own PVR" thing isn't something the general population can do so I figure they can get away with it for a while
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21:13<mdz_>Chutt: I messed around a bit just now and am now able to reliably reproduce that weird audio problem I have
21:14<Chutt>which weird audio problem?
21:14<mdz_>Chutt: if I watch TV, change inputs from television to s-video, then exit, then watch live tv again
21:14<mdz_>I get the audio from the Television input and the video from the S-video
21:14<Chutt>ah
21:14<Chutt>maybe it's something in the init code
21:14<Chutt>i dunno
21:18<mdz_>Chutt: does it always change the input when it starts up?
21:18<Chutt>yup
21:18<Chutt>well
21:18<Chutt>when you start up mythbackend, yeah
21:18<mdz_>hmm
21:19<mdz_> if (inputname.isEmpty())
21:19<mdz_> channel->SetChannelByString(startchannel);
21:19<mdz_> else
21:19<mdz_> channel->SwitchToInput(inputname, startchannel);
21:19<mdz_>all my cards have a defaultinput set though
21:20<mdz_>it always fixes it if I just cycle back around the inputs
21:20<mdz_>but it's strange that nobody else has reported this
21:20<Chutt>i believe someone has
21:20<mdz_>maybe my card is very very subtly defective
21:20<mdz_>oh?
21:20<Chutt>i seem to remember it
21:21* Snow-Manhad to go get dairy queen for Megan
21:21<Snow-Man>So I havn't got that patch yet. ;)
21:23<mdz_>it wouldn't particularly bother me except that it affects recordings too
21:23<mdz_>if I've just been watching live on s-video, and exit, and then the next recording happens to be on s-video, it gets the wrong audio
21:24<mdz_>Chutt: do you use v4l2 everywhere now?
21:25<Chutt>nope
21:25<Chutt>i'm using v4l1 on my normal card
21:36<mdz_>Chutt: using v4l1 anywhere with multiple inputs? can you reproduce the bug?
21:36<Chutt>i don't have multiple inputs anywhere :(
21:36<mdz_>oh
21:36<mdz_>I can't think of how it could possibly be mythtv's fault
21:36<tmk>cough pvr-250
21:36<mdz_>maybe it's the driver
21:37<Chutt>i do have multiple inputs
21:37<Chutt>i don't really have anything to hook up to them.
21:55<Snow-Man>Hrmpf.
21:55<Snow-Man>I'm being dense since it's not being obvious to me where to start hacking on this thing.
21:56<Snow-Man>Like, I would have thought programs/mythfrontend/main.cpp would be a place to start.
21:57<Snow-Man>Hmm, hmm.
21:57<Snow-Man>TVMenuCallback maybe?
21:58<Snow-Man>Hrmpf.
21:58<Snow-Man>blah, bed time.
21:58<Snow-Man>Guess there's always tommorow.
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22:36<Chutt>bah
22:36<Chutt>had to renew mythtv.org
22:36<Chutt>$15 down the drain
22:37<radsaq>poor Chutt
22:37<bline>aww
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23:03<bbeattie>quick question, I've checked the mailing lists and have found others reporting that not all their music shows up in the mythmusic music menus. Is there a way to fix this?
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23:11<Seela>silly disconnects
23:12<Seela>I'm using a PVR-250... the only hardware codec I see in my options is "Hardware MJPEG", but on the mailing list Isaac said there would be a "Hardware MPEG encoder card" option.. are those the same thing?
23:13<bline>yeah
23:14* extremisis having a problem now when he changes preferneces it doesn't apply
23:14<bline>check for sql errors in the mysql logs
23:14<Seela>Okie doak.. hrmm.... when viewing live TV after about 5-10 seconds it completely hangs up the system. I think the ivtv driver is correct cuz i can cat it to a mpg file for eternity.
23:15<bline>Seela: never seen that
23:15<Seela>doh :P
23:15<Seela>i had a tail -f of /var/log/messages in a different window on a diff computer to see if anything bad would come out but nothing did
23:16<Seela>someone on the mailing list that had this prob said it hung after the buffer filled... i'll increase my buffer and see if i can view longer periods
23:16<bline>could be hardware, decoding takes a little cpu
23:16* blinegoes to bed
23:16<Seela>nite ;P
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23:22<extremis>so, does the svideo (or at least one input) have to be connected to the pvr250 when it boots otherwise the ivtv driver hangs?
23:23<Seela>not for me
23:24<tmk>extr: nope that's not the way it is
23:25<Seela>tmk, have you ever had probs with your pvr-250 locking up after about 2-5 seconds of watching Live TV?
23:30<extremis>I'm not seeing any mysql errors, but I can't even change the audio output from /dev/dsp to /dev/dsp1
23:30<extremis>its stuck
23:30<extremis>I can't change any values it seems
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23:41<extremis>hrm, choppy audio
23:41<extremis>video seems ok
23:41<Chutt>read the mailing lists.
23:41<extremis>;)
23:41<extremis>alright, I've been being too much of a pain in the ass
23:42<Chutt>that _was_ just discussed today.
23:42<extremis>neat
23:42<Chutt>moegreen, hi =)
23:43<tmk>seela: i haven't installed myth yet
23:43* tmkhides
23:43<Seela>hehehe ok
23:44<Chutt>tmk, he's likely having the same issue that was discussed on the ivtv list
23:44<tmk>which one
23:44<Chutt>tmk, the kt-133 issue?
23:44<tmk>ahh
23:45<tmk>i should post a note about that on the FAQ
23:45<tmk>back to code
23:45<Chutt>seela, basically, you've got motherboard issues, most likely
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23:46<extremis>hrm, it seems the onlything pepole are talking about is if bitrate affects sound
23:46<Chutt>seela, make sure you're not sharing irqs with a bunch of stuff, check the ivtv-devel list for the 'IVTV DMA flags'
23:46<extremis>but my sound doesn't cut out completely
23:46<extremis>just jitters occassionally
23:46<Chutt>extremis, just update to current cvs and quit bitching.
23:46<Seela>ok thanks i'll make sure i'm kosher
23:46<extremis>Chutt: hah
23:46<Chutt>jeez
23:46<extremis>I wasn't trying to bitch chutt
23:47<mechou>yo, poptix, you there?
23:47<Seela>no matches found for 'IVTV DMA flags'... i'm looking at the list archives from sourceforge.net, maybe they havent updated yet or something
23:47<extremis>if I came accross that way I'm sorry
23:47<Chutt>seela, sorry, 'IVTV DMA errors'
23:47<Chutt>it's a similar issue to what you're having
23:47<Chutt>most likely caused by the same thing
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23:52<mechou>so what's this attack freenode had earlier? DoS?
23:57<Chutt>just lilo looking for attention
23:57<Seela>Chutt: it says my chipset is KX133... think that's close enough to the KT133? :)
23:58<Chutt>probably
23:58<Chutt>it's via stuff
23:58<Seela>I got a P2-350 with MB lying around here.. i'll throw it in and see how it all goes