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00:07<fulbert>can anyone give me a pointer with a dual 250 card setup? I keep getting "wanted to record... but current state is 4" when two conflicting programs are set to record.
00:14<Chutt>fulbert, did you set up both cards?
00:14<Chutt>you'd get that if you didn't
00:14<fulbert>yeah,
00:14<fulbert>I can watch live TV on one while the other records,
00:14<fulbert>but two recordings fail
00:14<Chutt>weird
00:15<fulbert>I do note that I can't change channel on the one card with myth direct, I have to use up/down, I can't use numberpad or the menu to change channel.
00:15<fulbert>I checked, and both are set to the tuner.
00:15<fulbert>I have the same video source configured to them, should I made a second video source for my cable system?
00:16<fulbert>when I did that, and I setup two overlapping programs, it showed them as a conflict on the one card, so I changed to both the same video source.
00:17<Chutt>no, both should be the same source
00:17<fulbert>hmm
00:17<fulbert>yeah, it's not happy.
00:17<Chutt>is the second card set to that source properly?
00:17<Chutt>hmm
00:17<Chutt>can you do a dump of the capturecard and cardinput tables?
00:17<fulbert>yeah, odd thing is that video0 is the first card, and it's the one not working.
00:18<fulbert>the new card I added later, video1 is working.
00:18<fulbert>from the db?
00:18<Chutt>yeah
00:18<Chutt>know how?
00:18<fulbert>I could muttle my way with sql, but if you have a cut and paste ;-)
00:19<Chutt>run the 'mysql' program
00:19<Chutt>'use mythconverg;'
00:19<Chutt>'select * from capturecard;'
00:19<Chutt>'select * from cardinput;'
00:20<fulbert>ok
00:20<Chutt>without all the single quotes, of course =
00:20<Chutt>err, =)
00:20<fulbert>only diff is in cardinput
00:20<Chutt>paste both in here, if you don't mind
00:21<fulbert>| 1 | /dev/video0 | /dev/dsp | /dev/vbi | MPEG | Tuner 0 | 48000 | linus | NULL | NULL |
00:21<fulbert>| 2 | /dev/video1 | /dev/dsp | /dev/vbi | MPEG | Tuner 0 | 48000 | linus | NULL | NULL |
00:21<fulbert>| 2 | 2 | 1 | Tuner 0 | | NULL | N | | 4 |
00:21<fulbert>| 3 | 1 | 1 | Tuner 0 | | NULL | N | | |
00:21<Chutt>hmm
00:22<Chutt>both look fine
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00:23<fulbert>oh, you know what...
00:23<fulbert>hehe
00:24<Chutt>hm?
00:24<fulbert>I think the two times the clock rolled over to the start of recording... I was in the liveTV module... so I had a card in use...
00:24<fulbert>hehe.
00:24<fulbert>I was looking at wall clock.. server is using NTP time set for my cable provider...
00:24<fulbert>that could be it?
00:24<Chutt>possibly
00:24<fulbert>does it warn that a record is coming up and get you out of live?
00:25<Chutt>should, yeah
00:25<fulbert>mmm
00:25<Chutt>when you set up two overlapping programs, it doesn't show them as conflicting, right?
00:25<fulbert>nope.
00:25<fulbert>i see it saying it tried to start both, but it says the second one was in "state 4"
00:26<Chutt>that's just saying that it was recording already
00:27<fulbert>I setup another overlap to start on the half hour, and I'm out of live tv now.
00:27<Chutt>allright
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00:27<Chutt>have you restarted mythbackend since you've changed things around at all?
00:27<fulbert>mmm
00:27<fulbert>maybe
00:27<fulbert>can I stop it while it's recording?
00:28<fulbert>I think I might have changed from Svideo to the tuner since last reload of back
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00:28<fulbert>I was working with my digicable box trying to get it working, but gave up with lirc until I get a better blaster unit.
00:28<Chutt>lotta the stuff in the setup program only gets loaded on startup
00:28<fulbert>ah
00:28<fulbert>mm
00:28<fulbert>ok
00:29<fulbert>well I'll give it a try when this fails then ;-)
00:29<Chutt>ok
00:30<Chutt>blah
00:30<Chutt>i should just unsubscribe from the mailing lists
00:30<fulbert>I wish I could se the bitrate per program. my analog cable looks like poop at all rates, but the digicable looks a lot better at high rate. chan >100=8Mb/s
00:30<bline>heh
00:32<fulbert>nope, it ignored the request to record the other program.
00:32<fulbert>don't even see it try to start that one.
00:32<Chutt>are you running the backend in verbose mode?
00:33<fulbert>nope, just in the fg with no opts.
00:33<Chutt>might be worthwhile to add a -v to the command line when you restart it
00:33<fulbert>I'll stop it when it's done with this recording and setup better.
00:34<fulbert>I'm just glad I fixed the debug=127 I had in modules.conf for the ivtv... when the drive got to 1% free.. hehe
00:34<Chutt>heh
00:34<Chutt>i've done that a couple times
00:34<fulbert>10GB of log.
00:34<fulbert>I was happy.
00:35<Chutt>bline, you're on -users, right?
00:36<bline>yeah Chutt
00:36<Chutt>was i being confrontational or anything?
00:36* blinelooks
00:36<Chutt>ray's reply
00:37<Chutt>should be the most recent message
00:39<bline>there was a bit of sarcasm in your questions
00:39<Chutt>well, yeah
00:39<bline>atleast one of them
00:40<bline>sarcasm is confrontational heh
00:40<Chutt>ah well
00:41<bline>I wouldn't say it was to the level he claims it was though
00:42<Chutt>i was a little annoyed that he's implying that the docs are useless
00:42<Chutt>well, he's more than implying
00:43<Chutt>and he called your mailing list archives crummy =)
00:43<bline>perhaps you should mention that, and ask that he post in the form of patches to the docs.
00:43<bline>didn't see that part
00:43<bline>just tell him to fuck off then
00:44<Chutt>"They do have problems 'finding' the explanations, when they are scattered over 4 poorly-organized sources (an unsearchable HowTo; a mismash FAQ; a mailing list with a crummy search engine; and a few bits sprinked in the source download)."
00:45<fulbert>and the faq is down now ;-)
00:45<Chutt>yup
00:45<bline>Maybe he saw the "other" archive
00:45<bline>besides, he must be dence not to know he can use google to search it.
00:49<bline>Sounds like he wants step by step documentation
00:49<Chutt>then why would his entire set of 'how to get and install' stuff consist of a link to the tarball, and 'uncompress, make, make install'
00:50<bline>maybe he thinks its that simple heh
00:50<fulbert>are you guys working on myth docs?
00:50<Chutt>me? no
00:51<Chutt>i don't touch the docs
00:51<Chutt>someone on the mailing list was working on a 'beginner's faq'
00:51<Chutt>and asked for comments
00:51<Chutt>so i commented on it
00:51<Chutt>and he got all hostile and defensive
00:52<fulbert>ah yeah, I saw that, the thread on the faq.
00:52<fulbert>I ignored it after 2 or 3 posts though
00:52<Chutt>i'm really tempted to just unsubscribe from -users
00:52<bline>I like to see the libs interfaces documented =)
00:52<fulbert>heh, it's a lot of noise.
00:52<Chutt>bline, maybe when it stops changing
00:52<fulbert>one more "what hardware" post...
00:53<bline>I don't think it would be a Good Thing [TM] if Chutt unsubscribed to his own list
00:55<fulbert>chutt == isaac? first time in chan for me.
00:56<Chutt>yup
00:56<fulbert>ah, well, hello and thanks!
01:02* blinechimes in
01:04<fulbert>ok, now after backend reload it's recording from both sources it seems I have nuv's with the right times, and they are both growing
01:04<Chutt>cool
01:05<fulbert>now let's hope the nic holds up to two streams at 12Mb/s
01:05<Chutt>are you using the release or cvs?
01:05<fulbert>I have cvs from 24th.
01:06<Chutt>from before or after my scheduler changes?
01:06<fulbert>well, the gigE port shows 20Mb/s for a 1min ave... cool.
01:06<Chutt>if you know =)
01:06<fulbert>I converted to nfs last night to
01:09<Chutt>that whole idiosyncratic thing pissed me off, too
01:09<Chutt>guess i'm just easily annoyed =)
01:10<bline>heh
01:11<bline>Was I question too confrontational?
01:11<Chutt>hehe
01:11<bline>s/I/my/
01:11<Chutt>do you normally have the gossamer threads bit as your sig?
01:11<bline>yeah
01:12<Chutt>it would have been if you had added that specially
01:12<bline>nope, you can check my other posts =)
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01:19<Chutt>'If you really want to take your toys and go home, go ahead.'
01:20<tmk>and i don't
01:20<Chutt>I really shouldn't put that in my reply, should I?
01:20<tmk>yeah.. you already come off as perterbed
01:20<tmk>:)
01:20<extremis>Chutt: do you know anyone using an echostar 6000 receiver?
01:20<Chutt>nope
01:20<tmk>that's a fun word
01:20<extremis>I've been doing quite a bit of reading and have had little success in getting lirc to send the write signals
01:21<Chutt>tmk, this guy's writing a 'beginner's faq' and being rather insulting over the whole thing :(
01:21<tmk>:<
01:21<tmk>beginners need love, not bitterness
01:21<Chutt>now he says it's turning into a fight, and he's going to stop work on it
01:22<tmk>that's what sucks about volunteer work
01:22<tmk>everyone thinks their time is really valuable
01:22<tmk>which it is
01:22<Chutt>my time's more valuable than his =)
01:22<tmk>but their fruits are not always juicy
01:22<tmk>hehe
01:23<tmk>man the more external programs use my api
01:23<tmk>the more careful i hvae to be :<
01:23<bline>heh
01:23<Chutt>he's calling the existing docs usless, haphazard, a mishmash
01:23<bline>saw that post by james did you?
01:23<tmk>yeah
01:23<tmk>and fixed it i might add
01:23<tmk>well in theory
01:23<bline>I think all the codec stuff should move to that,,,
01:24<tmk>which
01:24<Chutt>separate ioctls?
01:24<Chutt>well, same ioctl, different params
01:24* tmkbecons bline to #ivtv-dev
01:24<tmk>+k
01:24<bline>:)
01:24<tmk>nah i implemented v4l2 menu
01:24<mechou>it just amazes me how many people dont *carefully* read the docs.
01:25<mechou>they expect everything to be handed to them on a silver platter
01:25<Chutt>all the docs were written by actual users
01:25<Chutt>which is very nice
01:25<Chutt>not very much of them are developer written
01:25<mechou>and sometimes these people ought to know better...
01:26<fulbert>the install and using docs from the docs link was usefull for me, though it did leave me with questions on a pvr 250 setup.
01:26<fulbert>a week of mailing list and I was running though ;-)
01:26<Chutt>heh
01:26* tmknotes that it was an audio problem
01:26<tmk>;)
01:26<Chutt>did the 'I'd like to use a hardware mpeg-2 encoder' section work ok?
01:27<fulbert>well, that was version 2, I had one card working for a week or so now
01:27<Chutt>that's fairly step-by-step
01:27<mechou>that's prob cause pvr250 just got integrated to mythtv around that time...
01:27<fulbert>two cards was pushing my technical abilities.
01:27<fulbert>yeah, I kinda knew I was on the edge, and didn't expect it to work at all ;-)
01:27<tmk>fulbert: i'd recommend getting latest ivtv-cvs
01:27<tmk>there's some scaling fixes
01:27<tmk>if you don't plan on capturing at full-res
01:27<fulbert>I do as of the 25th.
01:28<tmk>this is as of 10 minutes ago :)
01:28<fulbert>ah ;)
01:28<Chutt>which _really_ means as of May 16th
01:28<tmk>get it at http://ivtv.sf.net
01:28<tmk>i put tarballs on the webpage
01:28* tmksmacks sf.net
01:28<Chutt>due to sourceforge's suck factor
01:28<fulbert>I was stuck with the test_ioctl not able to compile for a few days as I upgraded to dual cards also ;-)
01:28<mechou>but this irc channel is really helpful.
01:28<fulbert>CVS server has ben a dog of late.
01:29<Chutt>heh
01:29<Chutt>it's a really good thing i almost never send out my first draft emails
01:29<Chutt>time to delete that
01:29<tmk>^H^H^H^H
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01:29<mechou>but irc chats don't get preseved for posterity (so others can't really benefit)
01:29<tmk>sure they do
01:29<tmk>there's always someone who logs everything
01:30<Chutt>moegreen, hi
01:30<mechou>where?
01:30<moegreen>Chutt: hey
01:30<tmk>ah but not for posterity
01:31<mechou>I forget that fellows name, but who's the lead for smoothwall?
01:31<mechou>We need a manifesto like his
01:32<mechou>"Do your homework! before posting ?"
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01:48<bbeattie>is there a way to force remove programs from the database if the file on disk doesnt exist?
01:49<tmk>delete * from <table> where <field>="programname"
01:49<tmk>or something
01:50<mechou>sql: remove from recorded where title="programname" and subtitle="Programsubtitle";
01:50<moegreen>delete from <table> where field="program name"
01:51<bline>could also touch the file and use myth to remove it...
01:51<bbeattie>how do I figure out the filename to touch?
01:51<bbeattie>it's all date/program stamped,
01:51<fulbert>try to delete it and look at output from backend -v
01:51<bline>chanelid_starttime_endtime.nuv
01:54<mechou>bline, how does myth actually remove it if the file gets touched?
01:54<mechou>is there a "cleaner" thread?
01:54<bline>unlink() I would guess
01:55<bline>I'd have to dig into the code to see..
01:55<mechou>nah, I mean high level...
01:56<mechou>I'm just not familiar w/ "trick" you're suggesting...
01:56<Chutt>the reason it's not deleting it now is because the file doesn't exist
01:56<bline>mechou: I was suggesting he delete it from the delete interface, I assumed he was refering to a movie he recorded
01:56<Chutt>if you touch it, the file'll exist, then it can be deleted from the ui
01:58<mechou>gothcha, I somehow got confused, thought he was talking about a file that already exist....
02:01<tmk>so i've got a few minutes to code
02:01<tmk>should i fix the audio whine
02:01<tmk>or make the audio api work internally
02:01<tmk>hmm
02:02* tmkleans towards the audio api
02:02<Chutt>think of all the ears you could save
02:02* blineagrees
02:02<tmk>egads
02:02<tmk>it's 11
02:02<Chutt>it's 2
02:03<tmk>bah
02:03* tmklives in california
02:03<bigguy>it's 1
02:03<bigguy>:P
02:03<Chutt>it's still 2 am
02:03<Chutt>there is no timezone but eastern
02:03<mechou>North or South CA?
02:03<tmk>middle
02:03<tmk>north i suppose if you had to draw a line
02:03<tmk>silicon valley
02:04<mechou>nah, SV is defininately N. I'm moving back there n a few days
02:04<tmk>cool
02:04<tmk>it was hot today
02:04* tmk's tomatoes and peppers will be happy
02:04<mechou>how hot?>95F?
02:04<bigguy>97F today here
02:04<tmk>yeah about that
02:04<tmk>i was inside most of the day
02:04<tmk>but it's 82 inside right now
02:04<tmk>at 11pm
02:05<bline>better start on that audio stuff before it gets to late tmk :)
02:05<mechou>thats when you go up to SF to cool off...
02:05<bigguy>inside>
02:05<bigguy>?
02:05<tmk>yes
02:05<tmk>indoors
02:05<tmk>hm
02:05<bigguy>no ac?
02:05* tmkgoes and codes some more
02:05<tmk>nah
02:05<tmk>house is too big
02:05<tmk>only has ac for upstairs
02:06<bigguy>heh we have a large ac unit
02:06<bigguy>keep it at ~74
02:06<mechou>tmk, how long have you lived there?
02:13<bbeattie>is there a way to disable id3 checking? mythmusic appears to stop parsing the tree structure when it encounters an mp3 with a bad id3 tag. I personally ignore all mp3 tags as the filenames are all perfect.
02:15<bline>bbeattie: maybe the Ignore ID3 tags checkbox?
02:18<bbeattie>bline it's checked, has been, maybe it's a bad mp3 or something?.. anyway, after about 1k songs, it stops listing anymore.. I'll check into it more tomorrow
02:18<bline>Well I was just guessing
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02:21<bbeattie>bline :)
02:21<bbeattie>night
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02:25<tmk>mechou: lived in the area like 15 years
02:27<tmk>.. and he was gone before i answered
02:27<Chutt>don't worry, that was only 6 or 7 minutes ago
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03:25<tmk>night
03:25<tmk>audio is hooked up
03:25<tmk>that means msp whine is next
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06:09<Peit>Chutt: you around? could you run objdump -g against your mythtv? (i followed the instructions on the webpage and i'm still getting "objdump: /usr/bin/mythtv: no recognized debugging information"
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08:52<Conaz>anyone receiving duplicate messages from the list the past couple of days?
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08:57<Peit>not me
08:57<Peit>Conaz: have you got a debug version of mythtv built?
08:57<Conaz>ok, just checking
08:58<Conaz>I haven't pulled down cvs since the UI screens were merged
08:58<Peit>this is 0.9.1
08:58<Conaz>I've been re-coding the xbox-linux's usb-xboxir.c module
08:58<Conaz>I have a cvs version sometime shortly after 0.9.1
08:59<Conaz>although I didn't build it in debug mode
09:02<Peit>ah
09:02<Peit>o.k.
09:04<Conaz>It is gonna be awhile before I get back to mythtv, trying to get my head into the xbox kernel code
09:04<Peit>fair does
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10:36<Peit>morning chutt
10:36<Chutt>hi
10:37<Conaz>Hey it is "One of the developers" ;)
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10:41<Snow-Man>bah, Chutt, a developer? nah..
10:46<Conaz>I always have good laughs when Chutt posts to the list :)
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10:48<Chutt>i'm just trying to provide entertainment to all
10:49<Conaz>and doing a damn fine job!
10:51<jkolb>I dunno. Your most recent post seems devoid of humor. It's almost like you were trying to inform the poor soul.
10:52<jkolb>Maybe you could start adding knock-knock jokes to the end of all your emails.
10:52<Chutt>I'll take that under advisement
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11:04<Snow-Man>hehe.
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11:14<Peit>chutt what CFLAGS do you compile with out of interest?
11:14<Chutt>defaults
11:14<Peit>defaults for debian?
11:15<Chutt>that are in the source
11:17<Peit>I really don't get this bug,.. everything works on the backend, it just won't work on the frontend machine :(
11:18<Peit>gdb isn't picking up the symbols, even though nm can see them,
11:19<thor>Peit, what gcc? what gdb? what isn't working? what's compiled for debugging?
11:21<Peit>gcc version 3.2.3
11:21<Peit>gdb,glibc,bintuils,mythtv, all non stripped, gdb,mythtv and bintuils compiled with -g, myth has CONFIG+= debug in settings.pro
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11:22<thor>Peit, and you did full distclean, make, and install after changing settings.pro?
11:22<Peit>yep
11:23<thor>and what's the error?
11:23<thor>or behaviour
11:24<Peit>no output from runnning mythTV on the front end
11:24<thor>eh?
11:24<Peit>console says "connecting to backend server: <ip>" followed by "Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV"
11:24<thor>no window
11:24<Peit>and thats it, no box with static, no window
11:24<thor>no nothing?
11:24<Peit>I see network traffic,
11:25<thor>you are running "mythfrontend", right?
11:25<Peit>nope, running mythtv (but the same thing happens if you click on the TV link on mythfrontend
11:25<thor>ah
11:26<Peit>if i run gdb, i get "No symbol table info available."
11:26<thor>Suse?
11:26<Peit>gentoo
11:26<thor>hmm
11:26<Chutt>if gdb worked, i could tell you what's wrong quite easily :p
11:26<Peit>same behaviour under evolution and kde
11:26<thor>it ain't the window manager
11:26<Peit>chutt i'm sure you could, that's why i've not given up on trying to get gdb to work
11:26<Peit>:)
11:27<Peit>the annoying this is, videolan works fine, but i want to be able to change the channel remotely, and have it watchable on mutliple machines
11:27* Peithas a great vision of 4 frontends, 1 backend and lots of storage
11:28<Conaz>doesn't everyone ;)
11:28<Conaz>have that same vision I mean
11:28<thor>you're absolutely certain you don't have an old libmyth and/or libmythtv lying around that is getting used at runtime ?
11:28<thor>ie. does gdb work on other code?
11:29<Peit>I have 2 of the boxes i need, and i know what boxen i'm buying for the others
11:29<Peit>thor i'll try a clean up
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11:37PeitPeit|Home Jun 26 11:37:19 <mdz> Peit: some versions of Qt strip everything when it is installed
11:37<Peit>mdz hmm, i'll try a recompile of Qt
11:37<mdz>you can modify a config file under QTDIR to fix it if that is the case
11:37<mdz>I have no reason to believe that recompiling Qt would change anything
11:38<Peit>none of the files in /usr/qt/3/bin are stripped
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11:44<mdz>why would they be?
11:44<mdz>I'm talking about things installed by qmake, like mythtv
11:45<Peit>hmm, well 'file' reports mythv as not stripped
11:47<thor>ldd /usr/local/bin/mythtv ?
11:48<Peit>ldd /usr/bin/mythtv
11:48<Peit>what am i looking for, all the libraries are there
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11:50<thor>just that it is pointing to the ones you think it is pointing to
11:50<Peit>can't see anything silly, let me compare against the backend
11:51<Peit>o.k. 1 less library!
11:52<thor>that's probably not crucial
11:53<Peit>liblcms.so
11:54<thor>? liblcms ?
11:55<Peit>hmm, odd if i start gdb on the backend, it complains about no debugging symbols in myth tv, but the gdb on the frontend doesn't
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11:55<Peit>Description: A lightweight, speed optimized color management engine
11:56* Peitshrugs no idea why i have that linked in
12:06<Peit>o.k. i get the same issues with gdb top
12:25<thor>Chutt, hmmm modules that don't close down their threads cause problems in mythfrontend
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12:26<tmk>mo'nin
12:26<thor>hey
12:26<tmk>and how is the god of thunder and lightning this morning?
12:27<Scrye>god i cant watch normal tv anymore
12:27<Scrye>I HAVE TO SKIP COMMERCIALS
12:27<tmk>you've come to the right place
12:27<tmk>or so i hear
12:27<thor>tmk, confused by threads
12:27<tmk>a shame :<
12:27<Scrye>oh i already have it setup
12:28<Scrye>im just watching live tv now and its bugging the shizznit outta me
12:28<tmk>yeah
12:28<Conaz>We'll just call that the Z feature :)
12:28* tmkwonders how long it will be before commercials pop up on top of programming
12:28<Scrye>there is a channel here that specifically messes up the blank-frame detection
12:28<Scrye>so i have to manually forward that channel
12:29* tmksheds a single tear
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12:39<Conaz>Did I read that there is a new option to have skip only go a limited number of seconds?
12:42<Snow-Man>There was a max-time of 5 minutes added for something, iirc.
12:51<Conaz>More incentive for me to get going on my xbox modules code modifications
12:51<Conaz>so I can get back to the fun of playing with myth
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13:23<tmk>you can use the x-box as a myth frontend?
13:23<tmk>intriguing
13:23<tmk>I might have to buy one now :)
13:24<GreyFoxx>TVOut is likely better than most PC video cards I'd imagine
13:24<tmk>yeah probably
13:24<GreyFoxx>We've got 2 sitting here at work from aTradeshow last Dec, I should take one home with me.
13:24<tmk>well i'm inferring from conaz' comment that you can
13:24<tmk>not a guarentee
13:25<GreyFoxx>I'd be interested in trying it out
13:25<GreyFoxx>I finally got around to hooking mine up to a TV last night. The old voodoo3 TVOut is better than I expected :)
13:26<GreyFoxx>But my cheap s3 based laptop still looks better
13:32<tmk>hm
13:33<tmk>y'know
13:33<tmk>the xbox plays dvds
13:33<tmk>so it must have some sort of mpg2 decoder hardware
13:33<tmk>wonder if linux supports it
13:34<Conaz>tmk: yes, the xbox works pretty good as a front end
13:34<Conaz>of course there are folks who have trouble
13:34<Conaz>I'm playing back 480x480 mpeg4 files
13:35<Conaz>I'm not sure of the sound capture settings, I believe just default settings
13:35<Conaz>I was surprised since the xbox only has 64mb memory
13:36<Scrye>i have a dedicated 1.2ghz thunderbird
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13:36<tmk>does it use the nvidia windows drivers?
13:36<tmk>err
13:36<tmk>xwindows
13:36<tmk>so does it haev scaling acceleration and such
13:36<Scrye>actually it does
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13:36<tmk>curious
13:37<tmk>it should be able to do full-res mpg2 then
13:37<Scrye>i have an old ass TNT1 AGP 16mb
13:37<tmk>since it can do DVD playback
13:37<Scrye>oh that xbox?
13:37<Scrye>thought you were asking me
13:37<tmk>hehe non
13:37<tmk>sorry
13:38<Conaz>Yes, I believe that the xbox does use the nvidia drivers
13:38<Conaz>Although I didn't check to see for sure
13:38<Conaz>I just did the standard ed's debian install, and then jumped right into installing myth
13:39<Conaz>Right now I'm hacking away at the xboxir module to get it to work with other remotes (besides the standard xbox remote)
13:39<tmk>so the dvd remote does work?
13:39<tmk>with lirc or what
13:40<Conaz>It is actually a kernel module that interfaces the usb reciever
13:40<jkolb>Did you mod your xbox or use the savegame trick?
13:40<Conaz>It just translates the IR codes into keyboard presses
13:40<tmk>i see
13:40<Conaz>I actually modded my first one with the matrix chip
13:41<jkolb>Difficult to do?
13:41<Conaz>The kernel module is hard-coded for the xbox remote codes, so taht is what I'm working on now
13:41<Conaz>The matrix chip was a bit of a pain, but I think I got a mix of 1.1 and 1.0 parts in my refurb xbox
13:42<Conaz>So there was one contact point where the existing solder which had a little depression in it
13:42<Conaz>So the contacts from the matrix mod chip didn't fully make contact
13:42<Conaz>So I had to fill that in
13:43<Conaz>Once I figured that out as my main alignment problem things went pretty good
13:43<Scrye>I dont see the point of buying an Xbox just to break it
13:43<Conaz>Of course I'm not really a skilled kernel developer, so it is taking me awhile to figure out the ir kernel module
13:44<Conaz>define break?
13:44<jkolb>The box can still be used normally after installing the modchip, can't it?
13:44<Conaz>Yup
13:44<Conaz>The kids still play games on it
13:44<Scrye>I mean people who buy it just to use it for a machine
13:44<Scrye>nothing else
13:45<jkolb>For a Celeron 733 with good TV-Out, it is a cheap box.
13:45<Scrye>you can get cheaper
13:45<Scrye>i found 2U rackmount cases with tv-in with a pvr350 built in for about 200
13:45<Conaz>Well, I purchased it because it looks like a standard device
13:46<Scrye>s/tv-in/tvout/
13:46<tmk>heh
13:46<tmk>i don't support tv-out yet
13:46<tmk>hopefully soon-ish
13:46<jkolb>Component tv-out?
13:46<tmk>tv-out on the pvr-350
13:46<tmk>svideo/composite
13:46<jkolb>That was to Scrye.
13:47<tmk>ya
13:47<Scrye>i didnt look into the boxes that much howeveri do have it bookmarked on another computer
13:47<tmk>scrye's talking bout pvr350, yes?
13:47<Scrye>yeah
13:47<tmk>i'm the guy who's doing the driver for the pvr cards
13:47<tmk>in linux
13:47<Conaz>I'm actually thinking about trying the pundit instead of another xbox, but we'll see
13:47<jkolb>Oh, the tv-out is through the pvr? Then you don't get your regular screen on tv-out.
13:48<tmk>you might be able to
13:48<jkolb>tmk: I know.
13:48<tmk>it remains to be seen
13:48<Scrye>i dont know if the tv-out is through the pvr
13:48<Scrye>i'll go get that URL
13:49<jkolb>er, I know that you're doing the ivtv driver.
13:49<tmk>ok
13:49* tmkbutts out
13:49<tmk>;)
13:50<jkolb>Yeah, and you stay out! Nyah!
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13:50<tmk>;)
13:50<jkolb><g>
13:51<Scrye>1U Aluminum case, EPIA 800, 256 MB, 40 GB low profile Maxtor drive, WIN TV 350 with remote, 12 volt power supply with AC/DC brick and experimental Linux software. Special order-allow 14 days for delivery. Note, this machine is intended to be purchased by Linux developers.
13:51<Chutt>it's nice that they include a processor slow enough to not be able to decode the output of the pvr-350
13:52<Scrye>http://205.147.44.194/store/commerce.cgi?product=SolarPC
13:52<Scrye>Just thought you guys would like to see that
13:53<Chutt>heh
13:53<Scrye>they have faster motherboards
13:53<Chutt>i know
13:53<Scrye>youve seen that before then?
13:53<Chutt>even the newest nehemiah stuff is still borderline with large mpeg files
13:53<tmk>okok
13:53<tmk>i'm working on hw decoding
13:53<Chutt>heh
13:54<tmk>Chutt: hw decoding first or msp whine
13:54<Chutt>whine :p
13:54<tmk>haah
13:54<Chutt>i really don't mind not having hw decoding
13:54<tmk>damn
13:54<tmk>ya it's more work for you
13:54<Chutt>480x480 at a 4.5/6 works well on my m10000
13:54<Chutt>looks good on the tv
13:54<Scrye>I have a dxr2 hardware dvd-decoder
13:54<tmk>latest cvs fixes the jittering bug FYI
13:54<Chutt>that's only in pal
13:54<Chutt>no?
13:54<tmk>dunno
13:54<tmk>perhaps
13:55<tmk>but if people complain
13:55<Chutt>never saw it here
13:55<Chutt>i just got an email about the i2c warning in the driver
13:55<Chutt>to the list
13:55<tmk>lovely
13:55<jkolb>Scrye: The cheap systems are missing at least hard drives and power adapters.
13:58<Scrye>yeah i just noticed that too
13:59<jkolb>And XBoxes are down to $180
13:59<Scrye>Ive got so much crap around here that i dont have to buy harddrives and stuff
13:59<jkolb>Heh.
13:59<tmk>my roommates have an xbox
13:59<tmk>be cool to use that as a frontend
13:59<tmk>i'd have to buy a hackable game though :/
14:00<Scrye>I just put together my box and the only thing i had to buy was a tvcard
14:00<Scrye>which i got paid for by someone who owed me a tv card
14:00<tmk>hehe
14:00<Scrye>tmk : rent one
14:00<Conaz>I got my refurb xbox for $149
14:00<tmk>i can only rent it for so long
14:00<Scrye>use that online system
14:00<tmk>i'll want to use the xbox for more than a weekend
14:00<Scrye>its a one time hack
14:00<tmk>eh?
14:00<tmk>ooh
14:01<tmk>tell me more
14:01<Scrye>I dont know the full details
14:01<Scrye>but it has somthing to do with an overflow of a save game
14:01<tmk>yeah i saw some stuff bout that
14:01<Scrye>and you just have to savethe game once to the hd
14:01<tmk>didn't think it was permanant
14:01<Scrye>then when you go to reload it it roots the system
14:01<tmk>can you get back to xbox mode?
14:01<Scrye>as far as i know
14:01<tmk>thx
14:02<Scrye>I know its a one-time rental though
14:02<Scrye>after that its second hand knowlege
14:02<Scrye>knowledge
14:03<jkolb>It seems that you get an option to 'run linux' when you go to load a savegame. According to xbox-linux.sf.net.
14:03<Scrye>007linux exploit (memory stick or swapped hard disk with the hacked savegame and the Xbox-Linux-signed bootloader XBE), and you'll get the Item "Run Linux" when loading a savegame.
14:04<Scrye>seems as though someone hacked a key too
14:04<Conaz>I wonder if you have to load the 007 savegame, or any save game
14:04<tmk>but must you have 007 always
14:04<jkolb>Or Mechassault.
14:06<Conaz>That is what I thought, which is why I purchased the mod-chip, since I want it to always boot to linux first
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14:06<Conaz>Since that will be the primary function
14:09<Scrye>How wide is an xbox?
14:09<Scrye>ugh that is a stupid question i can just look it up
14:09<Conaz>Slightly wider than 2 cdroms side by side :)
14:13<Scrye>I think that the x-box emulator needs some press
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14:37<just1nux1>btw, you can play the mpeg-2 nuv files directly from the xbox if its shared through samba without running linux. xbox media player works just fine...no fancy myth menu of course.
14:37<Chutt>they're just mpeg2 files, i didn't bother to change the code that creates the file names for them
14:37<Chutt>they're not really .nuv files =)
14:38<just1nux1>yeah, i know that, but you never know if an app will be confused by an incorrect extension.
14:38<Chutt>true
14:40<Scrye>my media player wont play .nuv
14:40<just1nux1>no, not true nuv, but you can make them avi's and it'll play them
14:41<Scrye>with a reencoder?
14:42<just1nux1>not really reencoding, just pulling the video and audio out of the nuv container and dropping them into an nuv. which doesnt take much effort.
14:42<just1nux1>i mean avi
14:44<just1nux1>eventually i'll probably get linux on mine, but I've been waiting until someone else got all the kinks worked out and posted a tutorial or something. :)
14:44<Scrye>mplayer .90rc5 has built in support for nuv
14:44<Scrye>excellent. I have .90rc5
14:45<just1nux1>i think xbox media player actually does support nuv, but (and chutt correct me if im wrong) but myth doesnt use a standard nuv.
14:46<just1nux1>so mplayer needs a patch to play them...unless something has changed recently.
14:48<Scrye>mpcodecs: NUV _en_coding support (mencoder
14:48<Scrye>im looking for the patch...
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14:49<Chutt>scrye, that's the standard nuv format
14:49<Chutt>and yeah, i've modified things a bit
14:49<Chutt>made it more flexible, mainly
14:49<Scrye>ok.. can you tell me where this patch is?
14:49<Scrye>im googling for it all i can find is people complaining about it
14:50<Chutt>there's a link in the mythtv howto
14:50<Chutt>very first bit of the last section
14:51<just1nux1>http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-19.html#ss19.1
14:51<Scrye>thanks
14:51<tmk>heh you just left it regular mpeg?
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15:33<mechou>Chutt, were you saying earlier that the solarPVR doesn't have enough CPU ommph to decode mpeg (w/pvr350)? What happens exactly, jittery playback & dropped frames?
15:33<mechou>oops meant w/o pvr350
15:34<mdz>hmm, I wonder why google doesn't find the patch
15:34<mdz>"mplayer mythtv" does find the right section in the HOWTO on the first page of results though
15:36<Chutt>mechou, well, i have a nehemiah-based epia-m -- which, by all benchmarks i've seen, is about twice as fast as a previous via chips used on the epia boards
15:36<Chutt>this is a 1 ghz chip, and it's approximately as fast as a p3-500 that i have
15:37<mechou>hmm, that *is* borderline...
15:37<Chutt>and if _that_ chip is twice as fast as the older variants
15:38<Chutt>this is the first one that's been able to play back dvds with any semblance of smoothness, by all accoutns
15:38<mechou>but I thought that platform supposed to have some special (SW) mpeg decoder?....
15:38<Chutt>there's a hardware mpeg decoder that as yet doesn't have linux drivers
15:39<Chutt>but, yeah, that would help quite a bit
15:40<mechou>and I guess via is trying to impress somelinux driver dude to erite a driver for it?
15:40<Chutt>they've got a driver
15:40<Chutt>but it's binary only, unreleased, etc
15:41<mechou>sounds like a pita
15:41<Chutt>basically
15:41<Chutt>i'd really think it'd be a better option to buy a slower celeron
15:41<Chutt>use a micro-atx board or whatnot
15:41<Chutt>would just be slightly larger, use slightly more power
15:42<Chutt>probably wouldn't be any louder, though
15:42<Chutt>when compared to a mini-itx
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15:44<mechou>well, I guess it's still too early to go for EPIA then.
15:48<Chutt>thor, nice commit
15:48<thor>=)
16:12<bline>mornin
16:16<bline>awe, Ray didn't respond to me.
16:18<Chutt>he sent me the 'finished' faq draft
16:18<Chutt>it's pretty much exactly the same, ignoring my comments
16:21<mechou>ha, that's rich...
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16:56<srl>This is very odd
16:56<srl>If I don't have galaga in my rom directory, mythgame shows most of my roms. If I do put it in the directory, the mame section disappears
16:56<Chutt>that is weird
16:56<Chutt>you should figure it out!
16:57<srl>Chutt: heh
16:57<srl>Chutt: Does it leave logs anywhere? :)
16:57<Chutt>not really
16:59<srl>I think I'll cry now
16:59<Chutt>bah
17:00<Chutt>you're supposed to be learning how to code :p
17:01<srl>Yeah, I know
17:01<srl>Chutt: But it is probably an xmame problem
17:02<Chutt>it's probably a problem in parsing the output of xmame in mythgame
17:08<bigguy>chutt you ever heard of a gigapro processor?
17:08<Chutt>nope
17:09<bigguy>neither had I
17:09<bigguy>tigerdirect sent me another sale email
17:09<bigguy>http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?sku=k13-1000&SRCCODE=WEM498C
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17:11<Peit|Home>chutt is libavcodec compiled in statically to myth*?
17:11<Chutt>yes
17:12<tmk>gigapro eh
17:12<tmk>wonder if that's like the "gigafast switch (10/100mb only)"
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17:48<srl>Chutt: Do you recommend trying cvs?
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18:09<Chutt>srl, yes
18:10<srl>Chutt: Alrighty :)
18:10<Chutt>though mythgame hasn't changed at all
18:10<LeonIV>Has requirements changes much from 0.91 to current?
18:10<Chutt>no.
18:11<LeonIV>I was able to compile 0.91 just fine but mythepg gives me a buch of undefined reference errors.
18:11<LeonIV>QApplication,QString,etc
18:11<Chutt>none of the requirements have changed at all.
18:13<LeonIV>These sound like they might be qt related?
18:13<Chutt>sure
18:14<LeonIV>also getting errors like "../../libs/libmythtv/libmythtv.a(recordingprofile.o)(.gnu.linkonce.d._ZTV21BoundedIntegerSetting+0x198): undefined reference to `QObject::timerEvent(QTimerEvent*)'
18:16<Chutt>are you compiling mythtv with a different compiler than was used to compile qt?
18:17<LeonIV>no, box hasn't changed since I installed mythtv originally. Other than updating to latest cvs version
18:17<Chutt>ok, so, figure it out
18:17<LeonIV>this is a redhat v7.3. qt was installed using the redhat rpms
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19:19<Peit|Home>anyone seen "strange error flushing buffer ... " before?
19:19* Peit|Homefinally has a segfault on mythbackend
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19:26<brunes>hello.. anyone want ot help out a mythtv newb with a performance issue?
19:26<tmk>petit: is that with a pvr card?
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19:27<tmk>the mailing list has a lot to say about that error
19:27<tmk>either way
19:27<brunes>im running myth on an xp 2000 with only 1 tv tuner.. and the audio is still jittery on some channels (but not others ). Also some channels have a HORRIBLE pciture but others do not. any ideas? I do have DMA enabled on all drivers btw
19:28<brunes>another thing... adjusting the encoder setting sin the interface doe snothing.. they dont seem to save. I have to manually adjust them in the database
19:28<brunes>is this a known issue?
19:29<vektor>You're an NTSC user?
19:30<brunes>yes NTSC
19:30<vektor>Maybe your tuner is being misdetected?
19:30<brunes>no the tuner is correct.. i set that up myself
19:30<vektor>You sure? :)
19:30<vektor>I don't trust you :)
19:30<brunes>it all look sfine in mplayer
19:30<brunes>the audio / picture is only jittery in myth
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19:30<vektor>And not using 'canada-cable' or some shit like that?
19:31<vektor>I'm just surprised that the picture+audio might be bad on some channels and not others.
19:31<brunes>no us-cable
19:31<vektor>ok.
19:31<brunes>yeah i fiound it odd too
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19:32<brunes>RE the config settings.. im using 0.91 from the debian packages.. is that a known issue in that version?
19:33<brunes>cause its quite annoying.. im trying to troubleshoot the performance and i need ot manually edit the database to do any changes
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19:51<tmk>brunes: most myth problems like that are due to the audio subsystem
19:51<tmk>make sure your soundcard is happy
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20:00<extremis>ugh, so I take my DVBs (echostar 6000) remote and fire it at a lirc device that I'm monitoring with mode2 and I see pulses
20:00<extremis>but when I do irrecord it can't get more than 1 dot
20:01<extremis>and when I tried to use the community provided lircd.conf files, either by remotes/echostar/DVB or remotes/JVC/* or produced by jvc_raw my 6000 receiver will not recognize any of the commands
20:01<extremis>although I can see the ir commands coming through the use of another ir receiver
20:02<extremis>Does anyone have any advice for me? I posted to the list, but the moderator has yet to sendi t out
20:02<extremis>someone recommended changing the HZ in my kernel
20:03<Chutt>the list moderator discards everything
20:03<extremis>but I don't know where/what they are refering to
20:03<Chutt>at least to all the mythtv lists =)
20:03<extremis>Chutt: :)
20:03<extremis>seriously, I've done my homework, but I'm stuck
20:04<Chutt>i've not had any experience with remotes except for those that come with the hauppauge cards
20:07<Chutt>srl, do your roms audit clean?
20:07<srl>Chutt: No idea
20:07<Chutt>that would be the first thing to check :p
20:08<Chutt>as stuff does change over the various versions of mame
20:08<srl>Chutt: Maybe neogeo.zip changed or something
20:08<mechou>extremis, maybe you can ask for echostar 6000 advice on remotecentral?
20:09<mechou>ext, what remote receiver are you using?
20:10<srl>Chutt: Why does Galaga remove all the mame stuff though? That is just plain weird
20:11<Chutt>i dunno
20:11<extremis>mechou: remote receiver?
20:11<Chutt>i'm compiling 0.70.1 right now
20:12<srl>That is what I have
20:12<mechou>yeah, the ir receiver that's attached to your comp....
20:12<extremis>I have 2, the one I'm using right now is the actisys 200l
20:12<mechou>and the other?
20:12<extremis>just a standard serial ir (rx only) its made by logitech
20:13<mechou>when you sy irrecord only get one pulse, which ir rx are you talking bout?
20:13<extremis>both
20:13<extremis>they behave the same way for rx
20:13<extremis>rather, either
20:14<mechou>I don't have ec 6000, which ir protocol does it use?
20:15<extremis>I'm not sure how ot find that out
20:15<mechou>well, that where remote central comes in handy...
20:16<mechou>the actisys, is it a serial device?
20:16<extremis>oh, yes
20:17<extremis>how do I convert the remotecentral files to lircd.conf files?
20:17<extremis>I could try using their dish6000 file
20:17<mechou>ok, not sure bout this, but earlier I vaguely remeber coming across some info regarding serial settings for ec 6000
20:18<extremis>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/perl/mailarc/gforum.cgi?post=61605;search_string=dish%206000;guest=686903&t=search_engine#61605
20:18<Chutt>srl, did you re-scan for games?
20:18<extremis>thats the best resource I found so far
20:19<extremis>but it doesn't work for me :/
20:19<srl>Chutt: Can't if it can't find any mame stuff
20:19<Chutt>true =)
20:22<srl>How can I audit stuff?
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20:22<just1nux>chutt: with the recording profiles, what happens if the profile is set to use HW encoding but the HW encoder isnt free at the time of the record?
20:22<extremis>well, I'm frustrated. My mthtv box is useless until it can tell my receiver to change its channels
20:22<mechou>so what dis jason miller have to say when you emailed him for advice?
20:23<Chutt>just1nux, with a pvr-250?
20:23<mechou>s/dis/did
20:23<just1nux>yeah
20:23<Chutt>just set it up for the analog card properly
20:23<srl>Chutt: These games run fine if I run them from the command line :(
20:23<extremis>mechou: I have not yet
20:23<Chutt>you don't need to set up a recording profile for the pvr card
20:23<just1nux>im thinking ahead...since you will eventually right?
20:23<Chutt>it just takes the width/height out, and discards the rest of the profile
20:24<Chutt>eventually, i'm going to have to have per-capture card profiles
20:24<mechou>any particular reason, since you've been asking #mythtv for at least the last three days...
20:25<just1nux>and no 'per recording' profile?
20:25<Chutt>you can already do per-recording stuff
20:25<just1nux>not for the pvr-250
20:26<mechou>ext, seems to me you're in a box, maybe ought to get some expert help, if you know what I mean?
20:26<Chutt>well, you could change the resolution =)
20:26<just1nux>bah..
20:26<extremis>mechou: yeah , I just emailed jason
20:26<Chutt>i suppose it'll have to be able to check if the recording's profile works with the card, eventually
20:27<Chutt>srl, still compiling :p
20:27<srl>Chutt: Alright :)
20:28<just1nux>ok. thats what i figured. just something i was thinking about. almost need a universal quality setting that just translates itself to whatever recording type is used.
20:28<Chutt>yeah
20:28<Chutt>maybe like 3 or 4 quality levels could get defined
20:28<Chutt>for each type of card in the system
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20:29<just1nux>that might make more sense, especially for those non-tech people who dont care what type of recording it is, jus that its high low medium quality, etc.
20:31<tmk>Chutt: you haven't implemented any of the bitrate settings yet have you?
20:31<Chutt>nope
20:31<Chutt>i don't like the big struct o options
20:31<thor>and no matter what settings you choose, someone will complain that they should be changed ;-)
20:31<Chutt>'specially since you're still changing things around
20:31<tmk>what do you like? individual ioctls?
20:31<Chutt>yeah
20:31<tmk>you don't like v4l much then do ya
20:31<Chutt>i went over that on the ivtv list a while back, remember? =)
20:32<Chutt>eh
20:32<Chutt>most of it's fine
20:32<thor>and then if you change it so that people can set everything, others will complain it's too complicated
20:32<Chutt>and small structs that you're not going to be adding/removing stuff from is also fine
20:32<tmk>the first thing you hvae to set is a big struct
20:32<thor>;-0
20:32<tmk>i think the codec stuff is pretty much done
20:32<tmk>only thing that may change is the audio
20:32<tmk>but i've made that all individual ioctls
20:33<Chutt>i haven't looked at any of your recent changes
20:33<tmk>heh, cause of the audio whine?
20:33<Chutt>pretty much
20:34<tmk>ok if i fix it, are we friends again?
20:34<tmk>:P
20:34<Chutt>heh
20:34<Chutt>sure, i suppose
20:34* tmkwhew
20:35<tmk>someone's been trying to implement the decoder functions
20:35<tmk>not going so well
20:37<srl>Chutt: I bet neogeo.zip got updated
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20:47<Chutt>srl, quite possibly
20:47<Chutt>captain_murdoch, going to check that fix in?
20:47<Captain_Murdoch>didn't see the guy replying saying it worked and hadn't had a chance to test myself.
20:48<Captain_Murdoch>looks like that would fix it though.
20:48<Chutt>looks correct
20:48<Captain_Murdoch>I'll test real quick and submit if it seems to fix it.
20:48<Chutt>cool.
20:48<srl>Chutt: Works for you?
20:49<Chutt>yup
20:49<srl>wtf
20:49<srl>Chutt: What is the size of your neogeo.zip?
20:50<Chutt>239231
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20:50<srl>wow
20:50<srl>Mine is 57734
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20:57<srl>Chutt: I love how I don't get errors about this
20:57<Chutt>heh
20:57<Chutt>so, yeah, audit/update your games and stuff
20:57<srl>Chutt: With what tool?
20:57<Chutt>i dunno
20:58<srl>hehe
20:58<srl>Chutt: What do you use? :)
20:58<Chutt>clrmame
20:58<Chutt>in windows
20:58<srl>oh
20:58<srl>alright
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21:23<Captain_Murdoch>Chutt, bugfix committed to cvs and I'm replying to the email on the list.
21:27<Chutt>captain_murdoch, thanks for findin that =)
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22:27<tdb30_>anyone familiar with lircd? when I try to send commands using rc the first one gives broken pipe and the next run gives socket error and I look and see that lircd is no longer running. any ideas?
22:28<thor>cat /var/log/lircd ?
22:29<tdb30_>lircd(sir) ready
22:29<tdb30_>accepted new client on /dev/lircd
22:29<tdb30_>caught signal
22:30<tdb30_>I'm using a serial port transmiter
22:30<thor>does sir sound right?
22:30<thor>lircd(sir) ?
22:30<tdb30_>don't know
22:31<thor>me either (don't know very much about lircd)
22:31<thor>serial port transmitter, receiver, or transceiver ?
22:32<tdb30_>just transmiter
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22:32<thor>hmm ... can't help you there (no idea) ... search the mailing list for IRBlaster?
22:35* yebyenjust upgraded to today's cvs
22:35<yebyen>yay
22:39<thor>yebyen, from 0.9.1 ?
22:39<yebyen>from cvs just before 0.9
22:39<thor>ah, that's fairly major
22:39<yebyen>i noticed the new themes, heh
22:39<yebyen>the new OSD theme
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22:40<extremis>my DVI HDTV shows up saturday... weee
22:40<yebyen>heh
22:40<extremis>who else here does HDTV over DVI through mythtv?
22:40<yebyen>my Klipsch ProMedia 5.1's show up uhh... monday
22:40<yebyen>according to fedex
22:41<yebyen>but they left california this morning, arrived in indiana by 12:00
22:41<yebyen>and left indiana at 2:46
22:41<yebyen>so who knows if they'll deliver them tomorrow instead :) *hopes*
22:41<fulbert>will the HD set take a 720p image from a PC over the DVI in?
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22:42<yebyen>hdtv over dvi through mythtv?
22:42<fulbert>I have heard from several owners they can't get that to work with their newer sets with DVI/HDCP.
22:42<yebyen>that sounds like the order is wrong :)
22:42<extremis>fulbert: yes
22:42<thor>plus you skipped over TCP/IP
22:43<extremis>fulbert: how do I achieve 1080i though?
22:43<brunes>oh btw
22:43<brunes>for anyone who was listning to me4 hrs ago..
22:43<extremis>howfully there will be no distortion
22:43<brunes>when I switched to MPEG4 the problems went away...
22:43<fulbert>well, to start, most units can display 1080i at full res, unless you are talking about maybe dlp or lcos.
22:43<yebyen>extremis: i have it on like, a 20" set...
22:43<yebyen>hehe
22:44<brunes>so... somehow must have been related to the RTJpeg coded?
22:44<yebyen>it's a piece of crap, but it's a tv
22:44<fulbert>most CRT units can't do full 1920x1080
22:44<extremis>fulbert: its a rear projection 57" toshiba
22:44<extremis>widescreen 16:9
22:44<fulbert>yeah, my hitachi only does like 1300 lines.
22:45<fulbert>I only have component in, and no conversion now, so I'm stuck with svideo ntsc.
22:46<Timon>WAY better than me, I only have rf in :-)
22:46<fulbert>heh
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22:48<yebyen>i'm waiting for my list of recordings to fill up again
22:48<yebyen>heh
22:48<yebyen>i deleted everything (including the database) for the upgrade, mythtv had been behaving oddly
22:48<yebyen>skipping most episodes of voyager because they were "already recorded"
22:50<yebyen>when I had no episodes recorded, heh
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22:58<yebyen>cool, mythbackend crashed
22:58<yebyen>:X
22:59<bline>debug it
22:59<yebyen>i'll recompile with debugging symbols if it does it again
23:00<yebyen>which it probably will, it only took 8 minutes of recording to crash... heh
23:00<bline>be sure and read the web site on how to do the bt if you plan on submitting it to the mailing list
23:01<yebyen>oh, didn't know there was procedure
23:02<extremis>heh, satelite just went out
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23:15<yebyen>well, it's made it through 15 mins of recording and it hasn't crashed yet
23:16<FreddieD>that's good!
23:16<yebyen>heh
23:16<yebyen>indeed
23:16<FreddieD>my recording is running at 1gig/15 min...
23:16<yebyen>eek
23:16<FreddieD>that's alot
23:17<yebyen>use mpeg4 :)
23:17<yebyen>you're using rtjpeg, aren't you
23:17<FreddieD>I'm using the hardware encoder on my pvr-250
23:17<yebyen>oh
23:17<yebyen>i know nothing about those :)
23:17<FreddieD>it's cool to see my crap processor run at 1% CPU upon encoding
23:17<yebyen>haha
23:17<FreddieD>i pay for it tho when i actually try and watch the damn thing
23:17<yebyen>but for 4g/h
23:17<yebyen>that's rough
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23:18<yebyen>what resolution are you using
23:18<FreddieD>yeah it is.. 720x480, 32mHz
23:18<yebyen>oh
23:18<fulbert>lower the bitrate?
23:18<yebyen>isn't tv 640x480? what do you gain from going higher, heh
23:18<FreddieD>im thinking of cutting it down ot 640x480
23:18<FreddieD>i WAS going at 44.1 heh
23:18<fulbert>I still get ghosting with the 250 at lower than 720x640
23:18<FreddieD>oh i dunno, am i just wasting CPU and disk by going higher than 640x480?
23:19<yebyen>i think so :)
23:19<fulbert>err, x480 that is
23:19<FreddieD>do you turn off DNR?
23:19<fulbert>I have played with it in many settings, the dnr that is, and I get ghosting at all res other than 720x
23:19<yebyen>wow, my mythbackend.log is huge
23:20<yebyen>5.1G
23:20<FreddieD>jeez :)
23:20<fulbert>I'm outputting to my HD set, so 720x480 is what I am going to end up using, so it's not that big of a deal.
23:20<FreddieD>hmm i should try 640x480 and see if i get ghosting too
23:20<fulbert>I find that lower makes all the flaws of my analog cable look even worse.
23:20<yebyen>FreddieD: yeah, it fills up quick when you're getting IO errors every instant from your hard drive being full
23:20<FreddieD>yeah i got an 80gig'er, i think im okay unless i want to hold onto an entire season of something
23:21<yebyen>FreddieD: and err, yeah... it was a separate drive that was full :)
23:21<FreddieD>hehe
23:21<fulbert>2x200GB units, I figure that even at 4GB/hr I'm doing ok.
23:21<FreddieD>yep that's where im sittin atm
23:21<yebyen>wow
23:21<yebyen>2x200gb
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23:22<yebyen>i've got an 80gb drive, and it would never fill up if it weren't for the fact that I leave month-old recordings on it "in case I want to watch them eventually"
23:22<yebyen>my recordings are 500mb/hr
23:22<fulbert>mpeg4?
23:22<yebyen>yeah
23:23<yebyen>320x480
23:23<fulbert>I was thinking about transcoding to something other than the mpeg2 form the 250 cards, but I have not set that yet.
23:23<yebyen>at the default bitrate
23:23<fulbert>ah, res helps too.
23:23<yebyen>yeah
23:23<FreddieD>what CPU and mem do you guys run
23:23<fulbert>I have a weak CPU, not sure if I want to deal with transcode.
23:23<yebyen>320x240 double height... heh, in my opinion it looks nicer than just scaling the res up a little higher
23:23<yebyen>FreddieD: 700mhz athlon, 256mb of ram
23:24<FreddieD>that's near what i run
23:24<yebyen>FreddieD: and I have no problems at that resolution mpeg4 (simultaneous play/record)
23:24<fulbert>backend: dual P3 1GHz, 2GB. Frontend: P3 1GHz, 1GB.
23:24<FreddieD>for live TV?
23:24<fulbert>frontend has two 250 cards.
23:24<yebyen>FreddieD: live tv, or actually recording and watching it at the same time
23:24<FreddieD>ah cool
23:24<yebyen>fulbert: you have too much money
23:24<FreddieD>i cant do that yet, i have a KX133 chipset which causes liveTV to tank the box
23:25<fulbert>heh, I shop the spares bin at the office ;-)
23:25<FreddieD>hehe
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23:25<FreddieD>the spares bin at my office is damn Sun equipment
23:25<yebyen>FreddieD: eek :) livetv on mine works fine as long as I pause for a few seconds
23:25<fulbert>heh, I got that too.
23:25<yebyen>FreddieD: it doesn't crash if I get to the end of the buffer, it just skips every so often
23:25<fulbert>my original backend was trying to be a ultra5, but I gave up.
23:26<fulbert>what I need is a case to keep all this cool, I could bake with the exhaust of my frontend machine.
23:26<FreddieD>heh
23:27<FreddieD>do you guys know of a good looking ATX case, one that doesnt obviously look like a computer? :P
23:27<FreddieD>my wife aint too happy about having this thing in the living room
23:27<Timon>FreddieD: She'll get over it
23:27<FreddieD>haha
23:27<yebyen>you need a mini-itx machine that's fast enough to do mpeg2 decoding :)
23:27<yebyen>hehe
23:27<FreddieD>yeah the first time she needs to tape E.R. or something :P
23:27<fulbert>what I plant to use in the end is the coolermaster atc-620
23:27<fulbert>http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?DEPA=&submit=Go&description=atc%2D620
23:28<yebyen>then just do all of your encoding on the backend or something, it should be able to handle it with those beefy shits
23:28<FreddieD>well, i actually have a DXR3 hardware decoder, it's just that mythtv doesnt support hardware decoders yet
23:28<yebyen>oh
23:28<yebyen>that would be a nice addition, yeah
23:28<yebyen>heh
23:28<yussef>im using alsa, and sound is only outputting to the left channel, is this normal?
23:28<FreddieD>i'd be on EASY street if the DXR3 was supported.. i could run it on a damn commodore 64 i think
23:28<yussef>only to the left channel*
23:29<fulbert>maybe the source is mono?
23:29<yussef>i didnt see anywhere to change that setting
23:29<yebyen>FreddieD: it can't be that much code, :) is it supported under linux?
23:30<yebyen>FreddieD: or the decoder on the pvr-350? i'm considering building a fanless mini-itx machine with a pvr-350, if I can get the hardware decoding
23:30<fulbert>better shot of the case: http://www.coolermasterusa.com/images/products/ATC-620-GX1_L.jpg
23:30<fulbert>guy at office grabbed one, looks nice on the A/V rack.
23:31<fulbert>the white lettering comes off with goof-off we found too ;-)
23:31<yussef>fulbert: is there a mythtv option to use stereo instead of mono?
23:31<fulbert>not that I know. my cable system only provides stereo on some stations, most of the basic cable is recorded in mono I find.
23:32<yussef>ic, but the mono signal is still output from both channels right?
23:32<fulbert>when I playback I believe so, checking.
23:32<fulbert>yes.
23:33<yussef>ic
23:33<FreddieD>yebyen: yeah the DXR3 has a linux driver for it, so i'd imagine the client code wouldnt be bad at all
23:33<FreddieD>that case looks awesome
23:33<yebyen>hmm
23:33<yussef>are you using btaudio direclty? because im routing thru my onboard sound
23:33<FreddieD>too bad it's micro-atx tho
23:33<yebyen>FreddieD: is the PVR-350's built in decoder just a DXR3?
23:34<FreddieD>yebyen: i have no idea, i only have a 250
23:34<yebyen>oh :)
23:34<yebyen>heh
23:34<Captain_Murdoch>big issue with the dxr3 is getting the OSD and menus displayed on it. displaying the mpeg2 video would be easy.
23:35<fulbert>yeah, I am going to use a micro board for my production machine I think. Intel D865GLC
23:35<fulbert>slap a celeron in it, pull my nvidia card and both the PVR250s, all should be good.
23:36<FreddieD>Captain_Murdoch: do you think it would be difficult to have everything go out the conventional video, and just route the mpeg2 to the dxr3?
23:36<Ripp>dammit, anyone else get bit by gcc-3.3 last week? I can't get 3.2.3 to compile now!
23:38<Captain_Murdoch>FreddieD: I'm not sure if the dxr3 can do overlay. haven't tried it with mine.
23:38<Captain_Murdoch>still then you have the problem with the OSD
23:38<Captain_Murdoch>maybe, maybe not.
23:38<Ripp>bah I'm in the wrong d*mn channel again :p
23:39<FreddieD>times like this i really wish i knew C++
23:39<FreddieD>Ripp: :-)
23:39* Rippshould pay attention more often
23:39* Captain_Murdochwaves his hand and says "This isn't the channel you're looking for"
23:39<yussef>is there some kind of faq for mythtv? i recently setup a box, and have a set or most likely FAQ
23:40<Captain_Murdoch>FAQ info is pretty much all in the howto on the mythtv.org website
23:40<yussef>ok
23:42<yebyen>heh
23:42<yebyen>so, you don't just want dxr3 support, you want dxr3 support done right
23:42<yussef>how does transcoding work. i have tho mythencode.pl script [tho havent used it yet] does one simply use that script, or are there ways to automate that process from within mythtv?
23:45<yebyen>there are some options in latest cvs, not sure how they work though
23:45<Captain_Murdoch>mythmkmovie might be better. search the mailing list for info and a URL for that. not automated within myth though, you have to run the script whenever you want to transcode something.
23:45<yebyen>something about "automatically transcode", not sure where it would get those settings
23:45<Captain_Murdoch>yebyen: I don't think he's talking mpeg2 -> mpeg4 .nuv files. I think he wants .avi or something.
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23:45<yebyen>Captain_Murdoch: oh, is that what the automated transcoding does? :)
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23:46<Captain_Murdoch>yeah, transcodes between internal myth formats (ie, mpeg2 or rtjpeg to mpeg4 .nuv) to save space
23:47<yebyen>for all of those people whose processor is fast enough to encode rtjpeg but not mpeg4?
23:47<Captain_Murdoch>for people with slow backends using rtjpeg or people wanting to convert pvr-250 or dvb mpeg2 recordings to mpeg4.
23:47<yebyen>lol, i thought rtjpeg was more cpu intensive...
23:47<Captain_Murdoch>during playback I think yes.
23:47<fulbert>or to save space.
23:47<yebyen>Captain_Murdoch: oh, now it makes sense :)
23:47<yebyen>heh
23:50<srl>yebyen: Now you are in here too?
23:50<yebyen>srl: i've been in here forever
23:50<yebyen>srl: i just idle :)
23:53<yebyen>i've been a user since uhh
23:53<yebyen>a while ago
23:53<yebyen>0.5?
23:53<yebyen>oh, the Preview Releases