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00:00<brandon_>is qt-3.1 needed? I did my own build on debian woody. Is there something broken in mythtv in this distribution? Has anyone else done this before?
00:01<Chutt>mythtv's developed on debian.
00:02<Chutt>you completely removed your install of the .debs?
00:02<brandon_>yes
00:02<Chutt>positive?
00:02<brandon_>I didn't purge, but they are all gone.
00:02<Chutt>you're not running the old binary or anything
00:02<Chutt>since i've never seen anyone else report anything like what you're getting
00:03<brandon_>no, they are gone. I've done an updatedb and checked for all mythtv files.
00:04<Captain_Murdoch>Chutt: question about that context message thing. Do I create my own message string and then dispatch it from my thread. then in mainserver::customevent I can put a case to handle that event so I can eventually get to mainserver's delete recording code? or am I way offbase?
00:04<Chutt>that'll work
00:05<Captain_Murdoch>my thread is started same as the scheduler thread. I'm put a VERBOSE(me->Message()) in mainserver's customevent but I don't seem to be getting the event I'm dispatching.
00:05<Captain_Murdoch>any pointers? :)
00:06<Chutt>i dunno
00:06<Chutt>it's always worked here
00:06<Captain_Murdoch>ok, probably something stupid I'm doing. course I'm trying to reaquaint myself with C++ and learn QT all at the same time as well. :)
00:07<Chutt>are you dispatching the event like it's doing elsewhere?
00:07<Captain_Murdoch>yeah, virtually cut and pasted from tv_rec.cpp
00:08<Captain_Murdoch>QString message = QString("LOCAL_TESTING_MESSAGE OK");
00:08<Captain_Murdoch> MythEvent me(message);
00:08<Captain_Murdoch> gContext->dispatch(me);
00:08<Captain_Murdoch>tried without the LOCAL as well
00:09<Captain_Murdoch>in mainserver's customevent I have VERBOSE(me->Message()); right inside the top of the "if" that checks for the event message type.
00:09<Chutt>weird.
00:09<Chutt>might want to check in the context if it's getting sent
00:10<Captain_Murdoch>yeah. ok, thanks. I'll let you get back to what you were doing. :)
00:14<Chutt>you mean wasting time responding to list mail?
00:15<Captain_Murdoch>yeah. :) replying with the same responses you've had to give hundreds of times since nobody seems to listen.
00:17<Captain_Murdoch>scheduler received my event but the mainserver didn't
00:19<brandon_>Chutt: has anyone tested mythtv using xinerama on 0.10?... I think that is what is broken. I started with a clean install, everything worked (well, mythtv was on 2 screens) and when I set xinerama to use the second screen only, no more icons appear after that.
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00:36<Captain_Murdoch>weird. the scheduler got the message the first time but the it didn't. now in another test, it just got it the very first time through the loop but no future times.
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00:43<mikekedl>good evening all; just wondering if anyone here is working on mythvideo?
00:47<mikekedl>*mikekedl watches the tumbleweeds blowing thru the #mythtv channel*
00:47<brandon_>alright, mythtv is completely broken if you specify to use anything but screen 0 as the display for it to use. Mythtv draws the background, but no buttons can be seen, or selected, it appars that they (buttons) and their functionality reside in the first screen in existance (always screen 0) which means you can never select, or focus on the buttons, and have mythtv do anything.
00:48<brandon_>temporary solution, use the X and Y offset from screen 0 to force mythtv into the screen you want.
00:48<Chutt>brandon, your x driver doesn't do XRender on the second screen, then
00:49<Chutt>or something similar, i'd imagine
00:50<brandon_>.. not sure. I'm using twinview on an nvidia geforce 4, 5200 FX card, everything worked correctly in 0.9.1, but no longer.
00:52<brandon_>xchat went bad, having t5o restart.
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00:53<brandon_>kill the wrong process, could you repeat anything you said since I last said anything? thanks.
00:54<Captain_Murdoch>Chutt: if I change QApplication::postEvent to sendEvent in mythcontext::dispatch it works every time. with postevent I don't get the events in mainserver or scheduler most times.
00:55<brandon_>I'm not sure then. I have it working, but you probably should be aware that whatever was changed from 0.9.1, to 0.10, broke all nvidia cards running in xinerama/twinview. It could be something nvidia did wrong, but this is what's happening :-/
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01:09<brandon_>alright, it's working perfectly ;-)
01:09<brandon_>night
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01:32<billytwowilly>well, I've got mythvideo working and it's very nice. Thanks guys for a really nice product.
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02:20<Chutt>captain_murdoch, but sendEvent does something completely different from postEvent, and we really want postEvent there
02:20<Chutt>i've never seen it not work
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07:24<creepy>re
07:34<sfr>hi creepy:
07:35<creepy>hey sfr
07:36<sfr>ich habe heute mal mythtv-database installiert, und bei mir kam die Frage nach dem Mysql admin. account.
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07:38<creepy>geil, mach mal dpkg -P mythtv-database und dann reinstall bitte
07:38<creepy>wenn du es nochmal kriegst dann dreh ich durch..
07:39<sfr>creepy: sorry, ich hatte die installation abgebrochen.
07:39<creepy>achso
07:39<creepy>naja, ich les die mailingliste gerade, doc, etc
07:40<sfr>creepy: war das eine neu-installation?
07:41<creepy>jetzt nicht mehr, ich weiss nicht mehr was es zum 1. mal gemacht hat
07:41<creepy>but let's continue in english I guess ;)
07:41<sfr>probably?
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08:13<mdz_>creepy: what is the problem?
08:14<creepy>installed the debs
08:14<creepy>it does not ask for mysql root passwork, it wants to make the DB without pass which won't go :)
08:15<creepy>I'm purgint every mythtv files to find where it holds the pass.. :)
08:15<creepy>maybe you know..
08:15<creepy>hmm
08:15<creepy>it should have asked through debconf I guess...I've fuond a file
08:18<creepy>wow now it installed without the sql access problem...interesting
08:18<creepy>but he cannot have connected to the db, did not ask which port and the pass
08:20<creepy>but he cannot have connected to the db, did not ask which port and the pass
08:20<creepy>sorry, wrong window focused
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08:26<creepy>mdz_ how do I set this damn password
08:29<creepy>I mean for mythtv
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08:30<mdz_>creepy: dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-common
08:30<mdz_>creepy: and yes it certainly does ask for the password
08:31<mdz_>creepy: if you have a half-installed mythtv-database, run dpkg-reconfigure --force mythtv-database
08:31<mdz_>I guarantee it asks for the password
08:33<creepy>only asks for mythtv user password
08:34<creepy>which we don't care about
08:34<creepy>it needs to lay a DB and thus the root pass
08:35<mdz_>creepy: yes, and so it asks for it
08:35<mdz_> dpkg-reconfigure --force mythtv-database
08:35<mdz_>it asks at priority HIGH
08:35<creepy>that does no output
08:35<mdz_>creepy: do you have mythtv-database installed??
08:35<creepy>yes
08:36<creepy>TRiNiTY:~# DEBIAN_PRIORITY=high
08:36<creepy>TRiNiTY:~# dpkg-reconfigure --force mythtv-database
08:36<creepy>TRiNiTY:~#
08:36<sfr>creepy: uh, i just faced the same error:
08:36<sfr>Richte mythtv-database ein (0.10-1) ...
08:36<sfr>Failed to connect to database: Access denied for user: 'root@localhost' (Using password: YES) at -e line 5, <> line 1.
08:36<sfr>Failed to create database (incorrect admin username/password?)
08:36<creepy>thanks sfr
08:37<creepy>mdz_ you should change your page then, it says low :)
08:37<creepy>but anyway, even high it asks for no pass
08:37<sfr>but i swear it was asking yesterday night!
08:37<creepy>what
08:37<creepy>hmm you have using password yes
08:37<creepy>did it ask you?
08:39<sfr>creepy: the Mysql root password? no
08:39<creepy>doh
08:39<creepy>root@localhost' (Using password: YES) at -e line 5, <> line 1.
08:39<creepy>and I have NO
08:39<creepy>damn
08:40<mdz_>creepy: you aren't exporting DEBIAN_PRIORITY
08:41<creepy>I did
08:41<mdz_>if you have it set to some ridiculous value, it won't be able to ask
08:41<creepy>export DEBIAN_PR=high
08:41<creepy>look:
08:41<creepy>declare -x DEBIAN_PRIORITY="high"
08:41<mdz_>creepy: dpkg-reconfigure -plow --force mythtv-database
08:41<creepy>looks okay for me
08:42<mdz_>creepy: dpkg-reconfigure -plow --force mythtv-database
08:42<creepy>no output
08:43<mdz_>your system is broken
08:44<creepy>mytvtv packages should handle problems a bit nicer..
08:44<mdz_>or you have DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive or something like that
08:45<mdz_>creepy: if it doesn't have the password, it cannot continue and it fails. it is the correct action.
08:45<creepy>e.g. they cannot be removed if they cannot connect to the sql server...
08:45<creepy>yes but this is not ^
08:45<mdz_>if you don't give it the password, it can't remove the database that it created
08:45<mdz_>so it can't remove itself correctly
08:46<creepy>database can stay, package should be removed so I can start from all over again..
08:46<creepy>there's not DEBIAN_FRONTEND
08:46<mdz_>then change it
08:46<creepy>s/not/no
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08:50<sfr>creepy: maybe dpkg --purge _ALL mythtv packages_ and start again?
08:50<creepy>does not uninstall because it cannot connect to the db ;)
08:51<sfr>creepy: comment the purge section in /var/lib/dpkg/mythtv-database.postrm
08:54<sfr>creepy: sorry should read /var/lib/dpkg/info/mythtv-database.postrm
08:54<creepy>I know :) but thanks..
08:55<sfr>creepy: i just apt-get install mythtv-common and then apt-get install mythtv-database and everything worked as expected. (with no other mythtv packages installed).
08:57<sfr>creepy: fyi, the debconf passwords are stored in /var/cache/debconf/passwords.dat
08:59<mdz_>creepy: if you rm -f /var/lib/dpkg/info/mythtv-database.postrm you should be able to purge it
08:59<mdz_>sfr: I think something is broken with his debconf; it works fine here as well
08:59<creepy>i reinstall debconf right now..
09:02<creepy>mdz_ fixed it
09:05<creepy>okay database created
09:05<creepy>creepy@TRiNiTY:~$ mythtv
09:05<creepy>Unable to read configuration file mysql.txt
09:05<creepy>Unable to connect to database!
09:05<creepy>Driver error was [1/-1]:
09:05<creepy>QMYSQL3: Unable open database ''
09:05<creepy>Database error was:
09:05<creepy>No Database Selected
09:05<creepy>almost done ;)
09:07<mdz_>creepy: http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian/dists/unstable/mythtv/
09:07<mdz_>"After installation, read /usr/share/doc/mythtv/README.Debian for any further information or instructions."
09:09<creepy>good point
09:09<creepy>brb
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09:10<mdz_>yeah, you're welcome
09:10<thor>charming
09:11<sfr>:) or maybe :(
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09:18<creepy>looks better
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09:53<sfr>mdz: do you know if a soundcard is required in order to watch tv/recordings on a remote frontend. b/c my remote frontend doesn't work since the 0.10 release anymore. only shows a black screen when starting live tv.
09:54<mdz>sfr: you need a sound card on the remote frontend, yes
09:54<mdz>but I don't think that requirement is any different between 0.9 and 0.10
09:54<sfr>:-(, it used to work with 0.9 just fine, only no sound.
09:55<mdz>closed captioning?
09:56<kolb>Chutt: You around?
09:56<sfr>you mean what we call teletext in europe?
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09:56<mdz>yes, right
09:56<mdz>words on the screen
09:56<sfr>might be, didn't think of that. :-)
09:56<mdz>if you don't have sound and you don't use teletext/closed captioning, how do you watch TV? :-)
09:57<sfr>reading from the lips. no, kidding, but it's good for testing
10:02<sfr>mdz: so player: Can't open audio device: /dev/dsp means the frontend is stuck because of the missing soundcard?
10:02<mdz>sfr: that means that it tried to open the audio device and failed
10:03<mdz>I do not know whether that is why it is not displaying any video
10:03<mdz>it seems likely, but I am surprised that it worked before
10:03<Captain_Murdoch_>I think something changed in the way the audio device was opened. maybe this allowed it to work before.
10:04<sfr>Captain_Murdoch: could that be 'fixed' again without breaking s/t else?
10:05<mdz>sfr: you could try
10:05<Captain_Murdoch_>I don't know. I don't remember what it was. I think it had to do with blocking or something.
10:06<Chutt>buy a soundcard.
10:06<Chutt>it didn't work properly before
10:06<sfr>try to fix it? don't think so, i can write scripts at best, or write weird german translations.
10:06<sfr>Chutt: what's your credit card number :-)
10:07<Chutt>um, you're wasting time on the internet, you have more than one computer
10:07<Chutt>you can afford $15 for a sound card
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10:08<jkolb>Chutt: Just posted that mythweb patch. It hasn't crashed my backend yet today, and now it cleans up after itself if you want it to.
10:08<sfr>ok, ok, but only my backend is connected to the stereo, and this frontend is in my sleeping room.
10:08<Chutt>cool.
10:09<mdz>Chutt: 0.10 has been running fine on my system since yesterday
10:09<sfr>i tried to to start the frontend with esddsp mythfrontend but it didn't work.
10:10<jkolb>Doh. I forgot to send from my subscribed address.
10:12<mdz>Chutt: 71 downloads of the deb so far
10:16<Chutt>not bad
10:18<jkolb>Chutt: Shall I send it again, or will you approve it at some point?
10:18<Chutt>send it again
10:18<Chutt>i don't approve anything
10:18<jkolb>Aight
10:18<Snow-Man>How's things?
10:18<Chutt>looking fine
10:18<Snow-Man>Cool.
10:19<Snow-Man>I'm thinking I might try and move the lists tommorow since I don't think we have any plans really.
10:19<Snow-Man>I'm gonna be pretty busy today.
10:19<Chutt>cool.
10:19<Chutt>i'll probably be around tomorrow
10:19<Snow-Man>Cool.
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10:34<thor>jkolb, very nice
10:34<jkolb>Thanks
10:35<jkolb>Chutt suggested the caching. That was good, since it made the backend not die.
10:35<thor>inspiring, really
10:35<thor>should finally make mythweb interface to music do something
10:35<thor>so many options, so little time
10:35<thor>anyway, nice functionality !
10:36<jkolb>You could port the visualizations to a java applet!
10:36<jkolb>Um, that was sarcasm, in case it didn't come across as such.
10:36<thor>got you =)
10:37<thor>I have enough problems with goom as c code
10:37<jkolb>Heh
10:39<Chutt>well, goom was written by someone who barely understands code
10:39<jkolb>A CS professor?
10:40<Chutt>heh
10:40<thor>Chutt, any thoughts on that half drawn tree and freeze in mmusic?
10:40<Chutt>nope
10:40<Chutt>absolutely nothing's changed there
10:40<thor>yeah
10:40<Chutt>except for your signals change, but that won't affect anything
10:41<thor>it's not that eliminated stop() in handleTreeListSignals()
10:42<thor>(I'm trying to reproduce it on a box with purposely screwed up sound card)
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10:44<mdz>hmm, AMD is processing this RMA much more slowly than the last one
10:44<mdz>I hope they are not suspicious
10:45<jkolb>Been using your processors to cook breakfast again?
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10:49<mdz>pretty much
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10:52<thor>Chutt, you nominated anyone for the viaarena contest?
10:53<rkulagow___>thor: i've also seen the "mythmusic hang", but i haven't been able to isolate it. i run in gdb, but there's nothing "interesting" in there. if everything is compiled with debugging, will gdb follow the mythmusic thread when it gets spawned? (ie, how does it handle the plugin architecture vs the old stand-alone method?)
10:53<Chutt>thor, people can submit themselves
10:54<eventide>so, a seperate tv tuner is required for each program one wants to record at once? and I suppose cpu requirements increase as well? how many channels can tivo record simultaneously?
10:54<Peit|work> chutt: which nforce board do you have out of interest?
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10:55<thor>Chutt, ah ... hmmm
10:55<Chutt>abit nv7-133r i think
10:55<Chutt>eventide, one.
10:55<thor>rkulagow, any clues as to when it happens (mp3 / ogg, etc)?
10:55<rkulagow___>thor: i don't have any mp3.
10:56<thor>gdb works as before (at least in my experience)
10:56<thor>hmmm
10:57<sfr>thor: i posted a gdb trace (my first one, so might be b*******) to the users list today.
10:57<sfr>thor: aehm, when mythmusic got stuck during start.
10:57<thor>yup, saw that ... thanks ... just trying to figure out what (if anything) it's telling me
10:58<sfr>thor: so it's ok to only compile the problematic module for debugging?
10:58<rkulagow___>here's what i recall happening. sometimes, when i go to "play music", everything gets drawn correctly, all the songs that i've previously selected come up, and the music starts playing. sometimes, the screen gets half-drawn, no visualization, first song starts to play and then mythmusic dies when that one thread finishes. sometimes, instead of the song list coming up i get a choice between "active play queue" and "active {something
10:58<rkulagow___>let me go check now. brb.
11:01<Chutt>sfr, no, libmyth needs to be compiled for debugging as well
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11:08<Peit|work>am i right in thinking that i don't need a sound card on the backend with a PVR-350?
11:09<Chutt>yes
11:09<Peit|work>cool, P3-500 should be fast enough with a PVR-350 shouldn't it?
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11:10<Chutt>sure
11:10<Peit|work>cool
11:11<billytwowilly>spending a bit more and you can make a really cool system though. Use the micro-atx nforce2 mb.
11:11<billytwowilly>throw in athlon xp 2500 and ram.
11:11<Peit|work>me?
11:11<billytwowilly>yah.
11:11<billytwowilly>throw it all in a sexy micro-atx case and your golden.
11:11<Peit|work>hmm, nah, i'm a fan of the 1800 retail box set :)
11:12<Peit|work>i have 2x1800XP with 768meg, both in coolermaster cases
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11:12<Peit|work>a third would be a little excessive :P
11:12<rkulagow_>ok, got something repeatable, i think.
11:12<billytwowilly>when it comes to computers you can never do something excessive;)
11:13<rkulagow_>fresh cvs, make installed on mythtv and mythmusic. frontend->mythmusic. works every time. "play music" goes straight to the [;aylist and start donna summer "i feel love"
11:13<rkulagow_>exit, watch 2 seconds of pre-recorded daily show, back to mythmusic.
11:14<thor>yeah, I'm seeing this as well
11:14<thor>just in th middle of building the lot for debugging
11:14<rkulagow_>"all my music" and "all my playlists" is in the left pane, right pane is "Actrive Play Queue" (no music is playing) visualization is a red line.
11:15<rkulagow_>gdb is showing playlist.o: Hey! I can't load playlists if you don't give me a hostname!
11:15<rkulagow_>playlist.o: Hey! I can't load playlists if you don't give me a hostname!
11:15<Peit|work>billytwowilly: saving for a hush box, (mini-itx based), going to stick a hardware decoder in and use it as a dedicated frontend
11:16<Peit|work>Chutt: can/will mythtv use a hardware decoder if there's one in the system, (sigma designs hollywood plus)
11:16<Chutt>no, it can't
11:17<Chutt>since to use one, you have to encode everything you're going to display as mpeg video
11:17<Peit|work>:( any plans to include it. or is it a "patch it yourself"
11:17<Chutt>including the UIs
11:17<billytwowilly>Peit|work: nice.
11:17<Chutt>which, well, is rather stupid, since that uses a bunch of cpu
11:17<rkulagow_>ESC, go back to "Select Music". don't do anything. back to play, "active play queue". press enter. lock. gdb is showing 6 threads, but nothing is happening.
11:18<thor>rkulagow, just looking through it now ...
11:18<Peit|work>Chutt: myth uses its builtin playback software for playing back recoded stuff doesn't it?
11:18<rkulagow_>thor: ok.
11:19<Chutt>yes
11:19<thor>rkulagow, can you verify that you get no freezes if visualization is set to "Blank" in setup
11:19<thor>?
11:21<rkulagow_>ok, let me check. also, i get the playlists.o complaint about the hostname _every_ time i go into mythmusic, but _only_ if i've used mythtv first. if i go straight from a freshly started mythfrontend to mythmusic, it doesn't complain.
11:22<rkulagow_>i'll reset visualization. brb.
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11:23<rkulagow_>huh, segfault when i changed it to "Blank".
11:23<rkulagow_>Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
11:23<rkulagow_>[Switching to Thread 16384 (LWP 28547)]
11:23<rkulagow_>0x08153b80 in Setting::isChanged() (this=0x4950c5a5) at settings.h:76
11:23<rkulagow_>76 settings.h: No such file or directory.
11:23<rkulagow_> in settings.h
11:23<rkulagow_>Current language: auto; currently c++
11:23<rkulagow_>(gdb) thread apply all bt full
11:24<rkulagow_>next part is pretty long; about 3 pages of bt
11:24<rkulagow_>send it here?
11:24<thor>can you post it somewhere (url?)
11:25<thor>or email it to mythtv@lamedomainname.com
11:25<rkulagow_>probably. but, garbage day, so i need to do that first. brb.
11:25<thor>k
11:25<thor>bugs only appear when you actually start looking at the code
11:25<thor>sheesh
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11:31<sfr>mdz: what about adding --verbose to the backend start-up options?
11:31<mdz>sfr: I've been meaning to do that locally
11:33<sfr>mdz: just saw it while i'm replacing some scripts with the ones from your debs.
11:35<mdz>sfr: I've added an /etc/default/mythtv-backend to CVS
11:35<mdz>which can add options to the command line, set the nice value, user to run as, etc.
11:36<sfr>mdz: this file is used by the start-stop-daemon during startup?
11:37<mdz>sfr: no, it is sourced by the init script
11:37<mdz>(in CVS)
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11:44<rkulagow_>thor: mailed
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11:56<thor>rkulagow, thanks. I think you did this on a box you just set up and/or wiped (no playlists?). Gotta run for a while but I'll try and track this problem down later today.
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12:08<rkulagow_>thor: no, this is the same box i've had for awhile.
12:09<rkulagow_>also, it segfaulted in setup when i changed from "Randow" to "Blank" i think i can reproduce, so i'll a look.
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12:35<just1nux>chutt: why the abreviation of Manual Scheduling on the menu screens? Was this to suit the blue theme?
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12:36<Chutt>what abbreviation?
12:36<just1nux>"Man. Sched." ? The full version is the same number of characters as "Delete Recordings"
12:37<just1nux>on the Schedule menu listing
12:37<Chutt>it only drops down to that if it doesn't have enough room
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12:37<Chutt>number of characters isn't accurate
12:37<just1nux>i though it did ...
12:37<Chutt>size of them is
12:37<just1nux>i know cuz each character is a different width
12:38<just1nux>i thought it did ... when it ran out of room
12:38<Chutt>not on the menus
12:38<just1nux>oh... ill check my width then
12:38<just1nux>how does it know where to abbreviat at?
12:39<Chutt>the alttext tags in the menu definition files
12:40<just1nux>oh.. interesting.
12:45<just1nux><buttonarea>-20,350,500,230</buttonarea>
12:45<just1nux>wide enough?
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12:57<steved_>can anyone help me understand - I receive terrestrial, cable and satellite tv. there's plenty of overlap in the channel lineup. but the mythtv database schema doesn't seem to model the same channel being received from several videosources?
12:58<steved_>how to (a) get xmltv to load the channels once, and (b) help myth understand that eg BBC1 can be recorded from video0/Tuner0/channelXX, OR video0/Composite0/channel101 OR video1/Composite0/channel101
13:00<just1nux>there are files in the home directory of whatever user runs mythfilldatabase in a folder called .mythtv
13:00<just1nux>you can put an # in front of any channel you dont want used
13:00<just1nux>so it will ignore them
13:01<steved_>just1nux: so I tweak what is loaded - thanks.
13:02<figgy>such as "#mythtv"?
13:02<just1nux>yep. and it'll only pull in schedules for what is not # in those files.
13:02<steved_>just1nux: but myth still keeps tuning info in channel table - and links each channel back to one videosource. so it can't model one channel being received from >1 videosource
13:03<zaheer>steved_: yah, that would require architectural change
13:04<zaheer>steved_: i am in the same boat...i have 2 dvb-t cards, 2 analog cards, and composite used for ntl
13:04<steved_>has anyone looked at it? I have a database design from my own homebrew efforts that does model this.
13:04<steved_>zaheer: my box has a similar setup
13:04<steved_>only just 1 dvb-t card
13:05<zaheer>steved_: i am close to getting dvb working fully...currently it works for recording but not live tv
13:05<steved_>moving the tuning stuff from channel into a new "tuning" table, indexed by chanid and sourceid would fix the database design. but quite some knockon effects in the scheduler etc
13:06<zaheer>steved_: after that, i wanna work on the ability for multiple feeds to provide the same channel
13:06<zaheer>steved_: which dvb-t card do u have?
13:06<steved_>zaheer: i would like to try your dvb-t stuff only that I'm shortly moving to a country with no DVB-T :-( (but there is dvb-s via IRDETO CAM)
13:06<steved_>I have a Nova-T
13:07<zaheer>which nova-t, grundig or philips tuner?
13:07<steved_>don't remember. had it a year or so. v1.2 card
13:08<zaheer>ok
13:08<zaheer>grundig tuner
13:08<steved_>does it make a difference?
13:08<zaheer>i have both
13:08<zaheer>i think the philips tuner works slightly better under poorer signal
13:08<steved_>i believe hauppauge have recently changed the design radically
13:09<steved_>I have a good external aerial no probs there
13:09<zaheer>other than that
13:09<zaheer>the philips one has a remote control
13:09<zaheer>but thats unimportant
13:09<zaheer>to the dvb side
13:10<steved_>the interesting possibility with myth is to teach it that the dvb-t card can receive several channels off the same mux at the same time
13:10<zaheer>i better go, but if u privmsg me...ill send u what i have dvb-t wise
13:10<steved_>could model each mux as a videosource
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13:10<zaheer>steved_: yes, that is interesting
13:10<zaheer>anyways
13:10<zaheer>im ogg
13:10<zaheer>off
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13:27<zaheer>steved_: modelling each mux as a videosource is wrong, in my opinion
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13:29<zaheer>steved_: theres one other thing that bugs me, and that is the lack of being able to browse all available channels rather than being restricted to a single capture card...that is number 3 on my list to look at
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13:45<Kuwanger>Is it just my imagination, or does mythtv have a hard time keeping capture on the live in?
13:46<Chutt>'live in'?
13:50<Kuwanger>The channel where my tv tunner connects to my sound card.
13:50<zaheer>line in
13:50<Kuwanger>Any chance of mythtv including some way to force the capture channel to the right audio channel prior to recording?
13:52<Chutt>it doesn't touch the soundcard's recording channel at all
13:52<Kuwanger>Could it?
13:53<Kuwanger>As in, would it please?
13:53<Kuwanger>Since for some stupid reason my settings keeping getting lost.
13:55<Conaz>Kuwanger: Are you saying that alsa is muting your sound between reboots?
13:56<zaheer>u using alsa or oss?
13:57<Kuwanger>Alsa, and not muting.
13:57<Kuwanger>The mic keeps getting selected as the capture device.
13:58<Kuwanger>I'm pretty sure it's vmware's fault, but I thought I selected line as capture in it. :/
13:58<Kuwanger>But, if mythtv selected the capture device/channel, then it wouldn't matter what vmware, et al did.
13:59<Conaz>I'm sure you'd have the same issue regardless of vmware
13:59<Conaz>Even on my system alsa comes up default muted when I reboot. I'm guessing because I haven't taken the time to figure out how to save the settings
14:00<Conaz>Or added a command to init the thing
14:01<mechou>use cjeck ~/.aumixrc
14:01<mechou>s/cjeck/check
14:01<Conaz>Ah, yes, that rings a bell. On a previous linux install I had it working, but haven't bothered since a re-install
14:03<mechou>actually, I misspoke. It's actually /etc/asound.state. Sorry for momentary confusion....
14:05<mechou>you should have a startup/shutdown script that calls alsactl so your settings get preserved between reboots.
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14:06<Conaz>Hey, imagine that, it is even in the docs :) Guess I breezed by them this past install :)
14:07<mechou>and I'm not sure 'bout this, but myth doesn't ever touch record levels on the input...
14:07<Conaz>Yes, I think that was what Chutt was saying earlier
14:07<Conaz>http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-7.html
14:07<Conaz>Kuwanger: you getting all this
14:08<mechou>Which means it's the users responsibility to "restore" input settings if "other programs" touch them...
14:08<Conaz>only a problem on a non-dedicated backend ... /me shivers
14:09<Conaz>Kuwanger: you just running the backend under vmware for testing?
14:10<Conaz>besides mythtv, vmware is probably one of the greatest software packages released in quite a long while
14:11<mechou>is vmware gpl or commercial?
14:11<Conaz>alas it is commercial
14:12<Conaz>Although one that I gladly pay for.
14:12<mechou>About how much is it?
14:12<Conaz>I want to say $299 for the workstation version
14:13<mechou>so you can run W2K vm in linux and vive versa?
14:13<Conaz>I know I paid $99 for v1.0, and then around $100 to $130 for each upgrade since... v4.0 currently
14:13<Conaz>When you purchase you either purchase VMware for Windows or VMware for Linux
14:13<Conaz>And then yes, you can then run quite a few guest OSes inside of the host OS
14:14<Conaz>I've run Winframe 1.0 (NT 3.5.1), Terminal Server, Exchange and the like easy enough
14:14<mechou>so, enquiring minds want to know, can you say run dx9 apps in linux with vmware?
14:14<Conaz>Even had my hand at netware 4.0
14:14<Conaz>Not really, dx apps are still a problem
14:15<mdz>Kuwanger: write a script to restore the mixer settings when the backend is starting
14:15<Conaz>I think since vmware provides a lowest common denominator video driver
14:15<mdz>with alsa it's as simple as 'alsactl restore'
14:15<mechou>bah, then what good is it?
14:16<Conaz>Well, I use it for software testing. One feature is has is non-persistend hard disk
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14:16<Conaz>So you can load up, install all the crap software you want, and when you shut down those changes disappear
14:16<Conaz>So you can start again
14:17<mechou>hm?! settings don't get preserved if you shut down vm?
14:17<Conaz>And of course I can load up nt, w2k, xp without having to change disks
14:17<ahbritto>wow! 929 mythtv 0.10 downloads!
14:17<Conaz>Right, if you select to have a non-persistent virtual hard disk
14:18<Conaz>You start with a persistent one, install the OS, etc, then set it as non-persistent
14:18<Conaz>I'm afraid I was 2 of those downloads :)
14:18<mechou>I would think the whole point was to _avoid_ reinstalls....
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14:19<Conaz>Well, in my software testing, it is nice to always boot to a clean install of say XP, then do my software install, test, etc.
14:19<mechou>Conaz, what kind of SW do you test in vmware?
14:20<Ku-less>Conaz: The "level" isn't relevant. Line is always 0% volume and muted. It has to be set for capture though.
14:20<Ku-less>Conaz: Ever new machine in vmware has its own state of the mixer, which is the problem (at least, that's my guess).
14:20<Conaz>Depends, mostly internally developed apps
14:21<mechou>Ku-less, you're technically correct, but myth doesnt set capture input either....
14:21<Ku-less>Conaz: And what's actually selected as far as capture device is stored in asound.state by gentoo's alsasound script.
14:21<Ku-less>mechou: That's my beef.
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14:21<Ku-less>mechou: It should.
14:21<mechou>Well, I know what chutt would say. Submit a patch.
14:22<Conaz>Why do you think vmware is setting the state of the mixer at boot time? isn't that the OS inside of vmware that is setting the initial state?
14:22<Ku-less>And then wait for it to be removed. :)
14:22<mechou>who'd remove it?
14:23<Ku-less>Conaz: I think it is the OS, but my problem is vmware should let turn off the mixer control if you want.
14:23<mechou>sounds relative useful if you ask me...but I'm not chutt
14:24<Ku-less>mechou: Got me who would. As it stands, the internal volume controls only effect a few things for playback, and I'm still trying to figure out why it applies them when recording.
14:24<Conaz>Ku-less: I'm not sure I followed that last statement
14:25<Ku-less>Conaz: err, vmware should let one turn off control of the mixer. The emulation of a Soundblaster card doesn't have the same number/type of channels as my real card (SB Live!), so the mixer ends up screwing up.
14:25<mechou>hm? Don't understand: "I'm still trying to figure out why it applies them when recording"
14:25<Ku-less>mechou: You know the main volume in the internal mixer control?
14:25<Conaz>Ahh, I see, you don't want vmware to emulate the sound card, but pass through the actual hardware :)
14:25<mechou>yeah?
14:25<Ku-less>When a show starts to record, the main volume is changed to match.
14:25* extremisjust finished making the homebrew
14:25<extremis>now to see if it works, or blows up
14:26<Conaz>extremis: good luck
14:26<Ku-less>Conaz: No, I want it to not give the guest OS a real mixer.
14:26<extremis>I used blars design
14:26<extremis>somewhat more complicated
14:26<Ku-less>Conaz: It ends up selecting the mic by default as the capture device.
14:26<Conaz>Ah
14:26<mechou>ku, I think you got that wrong. That only happens if you check "adjust internal controls" in myth
14:26<Ku-less>Conaz: So, I end up manually having to select the line in.
14:26<extremis>I have no way of figuring out what is wrong if this thing doesnt work :(
14:26<Conaz>Alsa thinks it is a SB card?
14:27<Ku-less>mechou: Right, but why should playback controls be applied on record?
14:27<Ku-less>Conaz: It is.
14:27<extremis>thanks conaz
14:28<mechou>ku, the point is if you got that option checked in myth, playback always gets changed when you watch, record, whatever. Maybe even when you change channels.
14:29<Ku-less>mechou: That doesn't make a bit of sense. :)
14:29<mechou>what I said or myth behavior?
14:29<Ku-less>myth's behavior
14:30<Conaz>Isn't the capture device in alsa saved in that state file?
14:30<mechou>Conaz: Sure is
14:31<Conaz>If you load that state file as system startup, then it should be set, regardless of whether you are running direct on the hardware or via vmware
14:31<Conaz>at system startup even
14:32<Ku-less>You don't seem to understand.
14:32<Ku-less>I'm not running mythtv in vmware.
14:32<Ku-less>I don't even think that's possible.
14:32<Conaz>Ahh
14:32<mechou>yeah, but maybe vmware subsequently "messes" with the capture input setting. Then you're screwed...
14:32<Conaz>Well, in fact it IS possible
14:33<Ku-less>vmware supports tv tuners?
14:33<Conaz>I follow you now
14:33<Ku-less>What mechou said.
14:33<Conaz>vmware screws with the sound device because it is trying to give it to the guest OS
14:34<Conaz>The post I read was someone running mythfrontend under vmware
14:34<mechou>ku, can't you just run a script when vmware exits? Maybe even a cron job....
14:34<Conaz>I don't recall if they were actually recording under it
14:35<Ku-less>mechou: Hypothetically, I could run a cron job to reset the sound every minute.
14:35<Ku-less>mechou: I'd really prefer if I could just lock the mixer, though.
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14:43<Ku-less>Good for you.
14:44<mechou>In fact, maybe the first time will take ~30 min, subsequent changes will be less than 5 min.
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14:45<mechou>since you're only getting the diffs...
14:50<mechou>In fact just start with .10 tarball, and you can update to current cvs later if you want...That ought to save you some time.
14:51<Chutt>no, you can't do that.
14:52<mechou>hm? tarball is not an (earlier) snapshot of cvs?
14:53<Chutt>it doesn't have any of the CVS directories in it.
14:53<mechou>ah.. OK.
14:53<mechou>scratch that then...
14:54<Ku-less>New release..
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15:05<thor>Chutt, this music and tv thing is quite reproduceable ... am trying to track down ... but you have any "magic bullet" thoughts on the state TV might leave something in that I should look at?
15:06<Chutt>i'll check
15:06<Chutt>but..
15:06<Chutt>not right offhand, no
15:06<thor>k
15:06<thor>thanks
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15:06<Chutt>busy atm, though
15:07<thor>atm?
15:07<thor>at the moment, got it
15:07<thor>never mind
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16:21<ahbritto>When watching live tv, is a newly secheduled recording supposed to stomp on the the live tv instead of using an unused video card?
16:21<Chutt>yes
16:21<Chutt>the scheduler doesn't count live tv as using the card
16:21<ahbritto>thanks.
16:31<Chutt>just1nux, still here?
16:32<Chutt>increase the height of the text area slightly
16:32<Chutt><area>30,3,0,3</area>
16:32<Chutt>works
16:33<Captain_Murdoch_>I thought someone was going to submit a patch to make livetv use the highest numbered card to help decrease that conflict.
16:33<Chutt>patch?
16:33<Chutt>whazzat?
16:33<Captain_Murdoch_>:) yeah, one of those new fandangled things.
16:34<Chutt>i don't think i'd want that, anyway
16:34<Chutt>want the first tuner to be used for live tv
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16:51<Captain_Murdoch_>where do you think the edit should be to allow tuning of auto-expire stuff. I was thinking have 'i' popup a screen off the playbackbox like the recording options screen pops up off the scheduled box.
16:52<Chutt>well
16:52<Captain_Murdoch_>I have basic 'delete the oldest recording not flagged as undeletable' working.
16:52<Chutt>would it also be a property of scheduled recordings shows that recorded shows would inherit?
16:52<Captain_Murdoch_>I was thinking about that as well.
16:53<Chutt>so you could flag anytime records as undeletable
16:53<Chutt>etc
16:53<Captain_Murdoch_>but need a way to go in and re-enable a show for deletion if it's flagged as undeletable
16:53<Chutt>right
16:53<Chutt>a popup would work
16:53<Chutt>i kind of want to get away from the full-screen dialogs that only have a couple settings on them
16:54<Chutt>like the advanced recording menu
16:54<Chutt>or the normal recording menu, even
16:55<Captain_Murdoch_>well, advanced will get more stuff on it I think. things like saying 'end CSI on channel 56 5 mintes after it says to end cause wrestling always runs late'. right now I've got a cron fixing a few shows that have their times off by a couple minutes because of cable channel screwups.
16:56<Captain_Murdoch_>ok, so popup menu on playbackbox to allow setting as deletable/undeletable. and maybe checkbox on advanced recording that will carry through when show gets recorded.
16:58<Captain_Murdoch_>right now I have 1 option "delete oldest first" but adding others is as easy as adding a setting to globalsettings and a new method to the object to generate the expire list (in order of expiration).
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17:25<bline>winmail.dat?
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17:53<Peit|Home>can someone tell me where the bitrate for recording setting is?
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17:54<rkulagow__>yeesh. 200GB HD for $120 from dell. might be time to rethink my drive strategy and put them all in the server instead of distributed all over the place...
17:57<ahbritto>rkulagow__: $115 from dell according to slickdeals.net with free shipping
17:57<rkulagow__>ahbritto: right; i think i was just rounding.
17:58<srl>Hmm, good deal?
17:58<ahbritto>srl: if you like western digital.
17:58<rkulagow__>if you want to pay 60 cents a gigabyte
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17:59<sfr>hmpf, wd 180GB hdd costs 210 Euro in germany.
18:00<choenig>sfr: here the 160GByte Samsungs cost 115EUR
18:01<sfr>what is here? www.alternate.de lists them for 139EU
18:01<sfr>s/what/where/ :)
18:01<choenig>everything around Aachen
18:02<choenig>I bought one yesterday, now my MythBox has 280GByte, 120GByte left free :)
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18:03<sfr>choenig: you must be watching a lot of tv/dvd ?
18:03<billytwowilly>is there a way to edit mythvideo info from the command line?
18:04<choenig>sfr: I record alot a stuff
18:04<sfr>choenig: well, then mythtv is for you
18:05<choenig>right :)
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18:08<billytwowilly>is a mythvideo developer around?
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18:13<bline>billytwowilly: it stored in mysql
18:13<billytwowilly>that's what I thought. so no..
18:13<billytwowilly>doh.
18:13<bline>the mysql; command...
18:13<billytwowilly>I have to drag my lazy butt downstairs;)
18:14<billytwowilly>I don't know how to use that. I'm just some dumb end user;)
18:14<bline>mysql.com has docs
18:14<bline>very good docs actually
18:14<billytwowilly>I don't want to chance breaking anything. It's only two flights of stairs;)
18:15<bline>I always tweak the table for mythvideo, when it doesn't find the cover image I go find one, download it and update the table
18:15<billytwowilly>also, is there a way to have only files in a certain dir show up in the browse video section of mythvideo?
18:16<billytwowilly>well, I may call on you for help later then.
18:16<billytwowilly>because it didn't find a cover for total recall.
18:17<extremis>bah, I just spent 5 hours making this homebrew and it doesn't work
18:18<billytwowilly>right now I'm just trying to figure out if I can seperate out my movies into one dir so that they only show up in the browse video option, but I can view all my little piddly movies and trailer park boys episodes in the video manager.
18:18<billytwowilly>I don't think I can.
18:18<billytwowilly>extremis: What's wrong? If you're using the nforce2 chipset I may be able to help you...
18:19<billytwowilly>I just worked my way through several problems with that chipset.
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18:21<extremis>nope
18:21<extremis>I don't think its transmitting
18:21<billytwowilly>?
18:22<extremis>I'm not using nforce
18:22<extremis>and I don't think its a mobo thing
18:22<extremis>I think I might have made it wrong
18:22<ca1vin>:(
18:23<billytwowilly>crummy. well sorry I couldn't help you.
18:23<extremis>trying somthing else...
18:24<sfr>mythfilldatabase can be told not to import certain channels from a xmltv file, yes?
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18:34<ahbritto>sfr: read the whole howto? Maybe the table of contents?
18:34<ahbritto>yes?
18:36<Peit|Home>36% cpu usage on playback on an athlon 1800.. does that sound o.k. (Mpeg2 stream)
18:36<sfr>abbritto: i just did, but problem is i my .mythtv/channels dir. is empty.
18:37<sfr>abbritto: note that i dont use a tv_grab_XY but use a program called nxtvpeg, and export from there to xml format, works well.
18:39<choenig>Peit|Home: only playback or LiveTV?
18:39<just1nux>chutt: thanks for finding that theme problem. I dont get why the height was causing that but its working now. I even get "Fix Scheduling Conflicts".
18:40<Peit|Home>choenig: live TV
18:42<choenig>Peit|Home: I think thats ok, my XP2k+ uses around 50% cpu ATM (using the 2.4.21, with 2.4.20 it was around 35%)
18:44<sfr>choenig: do you use a pv250 board to grab the mpeg2 stream?
18:44<choenig>nope, hauppauge WinTV cards
18:44<rkulagow__>snow-man, you here?
18:45<Peit|Home>choenig: o.k. cool
18:46<sfr>choenig: so you do s/w based MPEG4 encoding; whats your settings?
18:46<extremis>so I created a homebrew, and I'm using lirc_serial with tx diod enabled... but it doesn't seem to be transmitting properly. Mode2 on another box cannot detect anything from it, but when I check the last diode for voltage I can see it increase in voltage in a pulse like manner
18:46<extremis>could someone help me troubleshoot this?
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18:47<choenig>hmm, oh, Peit|Home, you use a pvrX50 card? than maybe its alot, I use SW MPEG 4 @ 640x480
18:48<sfr>Peit|Home: dejavu? i remember this question from the users ml.
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18:48<mechou>extremis, wow, you actually took the plung and made a homebrew. Never thought that would happen ;)....
18:48<mechou>which homebrew you got?
18:48<sfr>choenig: can you record and watch a recording at the same time without frame drops?
18:48<extremis>blarslirc
18:49<mechou>need an url...
18:49<Peit|Home>hmm, the encoding codec section of the video record prefs doesn't have any effect if you're using a hardware card does it?
18:49<just1nux>nope... it doesnt
18:49<extremis>http://www.blars.org/blarslirc/
18:50<extremis>its one of the recommended styles
18:50<thor>Chutt, this is really weird ... it only dies when TV has been played ... and only when setting the visualizer (even if I artificially delay that on a timer for a long time) ... and only on Goom and Synaesthesia
18:50<mechou>ext, you have a voltmeter?
18:50<Peit|Home>So, where does the bitrate get set?
18:50<choenig>sfr: unfortunately not, since switching to 2.4.21 not, but before I had problems with that. I could record two shows at once, and watch one of them, but if I had one recording and one LiveTV it didn't work. I have a lot of questions about mythtvs cpu usage
18:51<extremis>yes
18:51<sfr>choenig: :-( i had hoped that such a cpu would handle it. just bought a xp2200+ for my old a7v board.
18:52<mechou>ok , I don't have personal experience w/this, so what kind of pulsing do you get?
18:53<mechou>First make sure all your diodes are line up correctly (polarity-wise)....
18:53<sfr>abbritto: can you send me such xmltv config file from the .mythtv/channels dir.?
18:53<sfr>ahbritto: see above :)
18:54<extremis>mechou: about .050
18:55<choenig>sfr: I'm just testing: recording two shows at once is no problem, but watching one of them brings drops. also recording one and LiveTV brings drops.
18:55<mechou>looking on schematic, where are you placing voltmeter leads?
18:55<choenig>sfr: simply recording two shows utilizes about 66%
18:56<sfr>choenig: aha, does a remote frontend work?
18:56<thor>Chutt, if you get this on a scrollback, it seems to be hung up on a mutex lock ... http://www.sigvaldason.com/mmusic_hang.txt
18:57<extremis>mechou: d3
18:57<extremis>I'm grounding on the case
18:57<extremis>since the serial should use the case for ground
18:58<choenig>sfr: nope, load also jumps to 100%
18:59<mechou>ok..sounds good.
18:59<mechou>what part are you using for d3?
19:00<extremis>just some infraled
19:00<extremis>got em at epo
19:00<extremis>I'm not sure the transistors are working right
19:01<mechou>specifically, what frequency does it emit? you got a spec. on it? I think ideally it should be 650nm-750nm....
19:01<extremis>I have no way of testing that
19:01<mechou>the packaging didn't have any info?
19:02<mechou>it's not a stripped part, is it?
19:02<extremis>I didn't get em in packages
19:02<extremis>nope, its not
19:03<mechou>epo didn't have any info on it? (at the bin or whatever?)
19:03<extremis>they were closing, I was rushed
19:03<extremis>I didn't catch it
19:03<extremis>they only had one kind
19:04<extremis>I'm curious about these transistors
19:04<extremis>something doesn't seem right ot me
19:04<extremis>I see -8v on Q1.3
19:04<extremis>actually I see -8v on all leads on q1
19:05<extremis>I would think that I should only see that on 2 leads
19:05<extremis>Q2 seems to work right
19:06<extremis>I see -8v on the base and emitter of q2
19:06<mechou>hmm...
19:06<extremis>which I believe is 1 and 2
19:06<extremis>rather, that is how I have it configured
19:07<extremis>now I'm speeking about idle state right now
19:08<choenig>sfr: I'm really confused with that, recording only one show needs 28%, watching this in progress recording takes a total of 32%, recording two shows takes about 55% of cpu load. now watching one of them or recording one and watching LiveTV brings the load up to >100%, thats quite irritating
19:08<mechou>what's voltage across R1? Blars says it should be around ~0.6V
19:10<extremis>I'm not very good with a multimeter, I ground on one side and put the red pin on the other side of r1?
19:10<sfr>what is your last test-case again? 1x recording, 1x Live-TV?
19:10<mechou>how far away are you from the mode2 rx on other comp?
19:10<mechou>yeah...
19:10<choenig>sfr: yepp
19:11<extremis>mechou: its .060
19:11<srl>Hmm, so why is it that one of my albums (in mp3 format) won't play in mythmusic?
19:12<sfr>choenig: hm, i also saw that watching live TV causes a higher load than just recording.
19:12<mechou>hm, do I have my decimal in the wrong place? 650mV==.65V right??
19:12<sfr>choenig: but i only have 1x h/w mjpeg card (marvek g400-tv)
19:13<extremis>dunno
19:14<sfr>mechou: yes, thats right.
19:14<mechou>extremis, how come you're so low by a factor of 10?
19:15<extremis>mechou: maybe the wrong resistor?
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19:15<mechou>check to see that you're multimeter isn't dividing everything by 10, just to make sure...
19:15* extremischecks...
19:15<choenig>sfr: yeah, whyever that is, but watching one recording while recording only one rec. only increases by 4% and watching one while recording two at once increases by 40%? hmm :)
19:16<extremis>ok, so r1 is supposed to be 10ohms
19:16* extremischecks the bands...
19:17<mechou>hey, what are you doing reading bands? use your multimeter, man...
19:19<extremis>how do I do that?
19:19<extremis>should I disconnect it from the serial port first?
19:19<mechou>yup
19:20<mechou>just measure resistance across R1 with the multimeter (test points on ends of resistor)
19:21<extremis>11.2
19:22<mechou>well, at least that's in the ball park,...
19:23<mechou>It's possible you have a current limited serial port...but that wouldn't explain why ur 10x off...
19:23<extremis>I'm getting -10v from my serial port
19:23<extremis>on 2 of the leads
19:25<extremis> It will have about 650mV when the circuit is on,
19:25<extremis>so that means it should get then when I send signals to the port
19:25<extremis>now when its idle
19:25<extremis>right?
19:27<mechou>yes, I think you're right. The serial port has to be "active" when you measure these voltages
19:28<extremis>lets define active
19:28<extremis>meaning when channel.pl sends the commands?
19:28<extremis>:)
19:28<extremis>and since its pulses
19:28<mechou>yup...
19:28<extremis>only when it is pulsing the electricity
19:28<extremis>ok
19:28<extremis>lemme see if I can capture it
19:30<extremis>hrm, when I'm grounded on the other side of the resistor nothing changes
19:31<extremis>but when I'm grounded on the case I see it fluctuate by about .050
19:34<extremis>I keep getting teh feeling its the transistors
19:34<extremis>they should be switching
19:34<extremis>but I don't see that
19:34<extremis>and the volts on q1 seem odd
19:34<extremis>but I don't know
19:34<mechou>I told ya to get enough parts for 3, right?
19:35<mechou>you should have another transitor on hand...
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19:35<extremis>yes
19:35<extremis>I have plenty
19:35<extremis>but I'm not unsoldering this thing unless I know I messed up
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19:36<extremis>I just don't think I should see voltage on all 3 leads on q1
19:37<extremis>and I'm not sure if I have em oriented right
19:37<mechou>In that case you need to unsolder them anyway...
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19:37<extremis>this is how I have q2 configured: 1: emitter, 2: base, 3: collector
19:38<extremis>I didn't get q1 with a diagram so I just had to guess what the emitter was, given that both are D shaped, I oriented them the same
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19:43<mechou>heck, at this point you ought to try it the other way, don't care if you tie the leads together w/ a paper clip...
19:44<Ku-less>Okay, uh..mythfilldatabase isn't working. :)
19:44<extremis>also I don't know if the capasitor is the right way
19:44<Ku-less>Specifically, it can't seem to open the mysql db.
19:44<extremis>the capsitor has arrows down one side like " > > > >"
19:44<extremis>that side I took as being negative
19:44<extremis>since that should indicate flow
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19:44<extremis>but I'm not sure, since I didn't get any diagrams with it as well
19:45<extremis>you say try 'it' the other way
19:45<extremis>what is it?
19:45<extremis>and if it is q1 or q2, there are 3 ways
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19:46<mechou>try the q2 transitor first, flat correspnds to base so there are really only two ways...
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19:46<mechou>opps, meant q1
19:47<mechou>s/opps/oops
19:48<extremis>flat?
19:48<extremis>it looks like a D from the top
19:49<extremis>from the front it looks like III
19:49<extremis>I could reverse the D
19:49<extremis>and teh center lead would be 2
19:49<extremis>swapping 1 with 3
19:49<extremis>but if 1 is supposed to be the emitter then I have Q2 right
19:57<Ku-less>Any ideas?
19:59<Ku-less>Maybe a settings file is messed up?
20:02<Ku-less>Aha.
20:02<Ku-less>Old file. :)
20:03<extremis>mechou: I'll brb
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20:13<extremis>mechou: back
20:14<mechou>what were you sayinf before you left, you using same transitor for q1 & q2?
20:14<extremis>nope
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20:14<extremis>4401 for q1 and 3904 for q2
20:18<mechou>so r u trying the other orientation for q1 now?
20:18<extremis>no, it will take me an hour to do it, I want to know why I should reverse it first
20:20<mechou>I can't tell you why, since I don't know if thats a npn or pnp transistor....Only way to find out is to try it. But make sure everything else is oriented right beore you try it...
20:20<mechou>and it should take you now more than 15 min max...
20:21<mechou>s/now/no
20:21<extremis>well it is 2n4401
20:21<extremis>and the 2n3904 is an NPN
20:23<extremis>oh crap
20:23<extremis>I just realized something
20:23<extremis>mechou: please answer this
20:23<extremis>which is the emitter?
20:23<extremis>1 or 3?
20:24<mechou>need to look at diagram again....hold on
20:25<mechou>1 is emittor, 3 is collector
20:26<extremis>ok, so emittor is only active when triggered?
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20:26<extremis>I may be b ackwards because I'm dealing with negative voltage
20:26<extremis>but anyways, if thats the case then I know q2 is backwards
20:26<extremis>the diagram on the bottom said it was a bottom view
20:26<extremis>I thought top view
20:27<extremis>so I'm assuming the other transistor is the same
20:27<extremis>but q2 should chane
20:27<extremis>I'll be back in a while then
20:27<extremis>soldering takes me forever
20:27<extremis>and desoldering takes forever++
20:29<mechou>don't solder, use paperclips to test first. They aren't much good for anything else....
20:31<billytwowilly>bline: can you give me an example of how to change the database to use a movie cover?
20:32<extremis>mechou: if this isn't the solution, then do you have any other ideas?
20:32<mechou>nope...
20:32<extremis>holding paperclips isn't practical
20:32<extremis>I can't hold that many and test
20:32<extremis>I need solder
20:33<mechou>you only need two paper clips in this case, solder the base...
20:34<mechou>I think you attached the cap correctly....
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20:41<bline>billytwowilly: use mythconverg; update videometadata set filename="/home/media/movies/officespace.avi" where title="Office Space";
20:41<bline>err
20:41<bline>that's the avi, woops
20:43<billytwowilly>so I'd just type that in the command line?
20:43<bline>update videometadata set coverfile="/home/sbeck/.mythtv/MythVideo/officespace1.jpg" where title="Office Space";
20:43<bline>no, type mysql -u username -p
20:43<bline><enter your password>
20:43<billytwowilly>username would be root?
20:43<bline>then you will be at a mysql prompt
20:43<bline>username would be whatever you made it
20:44<bline>it'll be in mysql.txt
20:44<billytwowilly>I followed the faq, so I think it's root.
20:44<billytwowilly>thanks.
20:44<bline>at the mysql prompt enter those sql commands
20:44<billytwowilly> thanks man.
20:44<bline>you can leave off the "use mythconverg" if you specify it on the command line
20:44<billytwowilly>I'm gonna give it a try.
20:45<bline>sql statements end in a ';'
20:45<billytwowilly>mythvideo uses the imdb covers right?
20:45<bline>to view what is in that table do something like: select * from videometadata;
20:45<bline>it'll use whatever image that field in the database points at
20:46<bline>(not sure if it needs to be a jpg or not)
20:46<billytwowilly>ok, thanks.
20:46<billytwowilly>does it do image scaling if it is too big?
20:47<bline>yep
20:47<billytwowilly>awesome to the max;)
20:48<bline>you should pick up basic sql, it'll come in handy
20:49<billytwowilly>yah, it will...
20:49<billytwowilly>the mysql documentation scares me.
20:49<billytwowilly>have any recommendations on good places to get movie covers?
20:49<Scrye>imdb
20:49<billytwowilly>those are small though.
20:50<bline>the _real_ basic queries you should pickup are: select, and update
20:50<bline>and maybe drop
20:50<billytwowilly>look much smaller than the ones used by mythtv.
20:50<bline>it scales them
20:50<billytwowilly>I'll bang my head against the documentation after I figure this out;)
20:50<billytwowilly>oh ok.
20:51<bline>google images is where I found all the cover images I was missing
20:51<billytwowilly>I'll check it out. thanks a lot guys. you're making this easy on me:)
20:52<bline>time for me to head home, later
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20:52<billytwowilly>where do I find the mysql.txt file?
20:53<billytwowilly>root and chris don't work as users..
20:53<billytwowilly>found
20:53<billytwowilly>sorry.
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21:11<extremis>ok, back
21:11<extremis>now there is voltage on only 2 leads on q1
21:12<extremis>q2 still has voltage in the same 2 leads even though I flipped it
21:12<extremis>but mode2 isn't picking it up
21:12<extremis>although I see a larger voltage jump on the leds now
21:16<extremis>god I hate this
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21:16<brunes>hello.. has anyone ever had the problem with mythmusic where it plays mp3s just a bit too fast?
21:16<brunes>like the voices are righer pitched than they should be
21:17<brunes>my sound card (NForce audio) only plays at 48,000 Khz.. does libmad only output at 44,100 ?
21:17<brunes>if so that could be a cause...
21:17<brunes>when I play in mplayer it sounds fine, mplayer though says it is upsampling form 44,1000 -> 48,000
21:22<brunes>...
21:23<extremis>mechou: are you alive?
21:25<brunes>only mythmusic has this problem.. mythtv, my dvds, work fine
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21:35<brunes>hrm
21:35<brunes>sinc empg321 (another mad base dplayer) also doe snot wokr, I will assume it is a mad problem
21:36<brunes>is there any way to use mythmusic via an external command instead of built in libs?
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21:59<Chutt>thor, around?
21:59<Chutt>erp, guess not
22:02<just1nux>chutt: you here?
22:02<Chutt>yeah
22:02<Chutt>you see what i said a while back?
22:02<just1nux>i think i have enough of my theme to warrant posting it to the themes section if you want
22:02<just1nux>http://www.coincapital.com/visor/
22:03<Chutt>did you change anything from when i grabbed it?
22:04<just1nux>yes
22:04<just1nux>lots
22:05<Chutt>you might want to gzip it
22:05<just1nux>btw, there doesnt seem to be a "title" MODE for schedule recordings... not to mention lots of other screens.
22:05<just1nux>i did
22:05<just1nux>oops
22:05<just1nux>hang on
22:05<just1nux>never changed the link
22:06<Chutt>schedule recordings has a title of SCHEDULE
22:06<just1nux>not TV_SCHEDULE...ugh
22:07<Chutt>check out tv_schedule.xml (and the other menu .xml files) in /usr/local/share/mythtv/
22:07<Chutt>first line has the name/title mode for em
22:07<just1nux>ok
22:09<Chutt>you've got a lot of ._<pngname> files in there, you know? =)
22:10<just1nux>that would be from my mac
22:11<Chutt>ah
22:11<just1nux>i can delete them and re-tar/gz it and up it again
22:11<Chutt>doesn't matter for me
22:11<Chutt>but it'd probably be good before i put it on the website
22:11<just1nux>ok.
22:11<Chutt>is the preview pixmap over too far to the left?
22:12<jkolb>just1nux: Nice.
22:12<Chutt>heh
22:12<Chutt>the preview vid doesn't look good at that size :(
22:12<just1nux>no, thumbnails are just too small
22:13<just1nux>video preview works fine
22:13<Chutt>bad artifacts
22:13<just1nux>cuz its bigger
22:13<just1nux>artifacts?
22:13<Chutt>yeah
22:13<just1nux>oh in the menu items?
22:13<Chutt>interlacing/scaling artifacts
22:13<Chutt>no, in the preview video playback
22:14<just1nux>where?
22:14<Chutt>when it's previewing recordings
22:14<just1nux>oh
22:15<just1nux>maybe my proportions are off?
22:15<Chutt>might be
22:15<Chutt>you're overlapping the % full text on the delete screens
22:15<Chutt>all and all, though, looks really nice =)
22:15<just1nux>(i dont use that feature, just causes me too many segmentation faults)
22:16<Chutt>think it may be best to just keep the preview image / video at the same size as in blue :(
22:17<Chutt>until i have a chance to look into that
22:17<just1nux>yeah, guess so, then it wont overlap the stuff on the delete screen too.
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22:19<just1nux>the dialogs arent themed are they? like the delete dialog... etc.
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22:36<just1nux>Chutt: okay new tar.gz file is up, god rid of all those ._files acutally reduced the download size a bit :) also fixed the video preview and that SCHEDULE thing. Should be good to go.
22:37<Chutt>cool
22:37<brunes>wow i like that theme
22:37<Chutt>i'll get it up on the site in a little bit
22:37<just1nux>brunes: :) thanks
22:37<brunes>so no one else hasexperienced these problems with mythmusic?
22:37<Chutt>got a homepage or something i can link to?
22:38<brunes>its driving me nuts
22:38<Chutt>brunes, you'll have to add some _really_ simple code to resample things
22:38<brunes>Chutt: where / how?
22:38<just1nux>Chutt: cool. i may take a break from it for a bit...but that guide screen has been calling to me.
22:38<Chutt>the music stuff doesn't look quite right, either =)
22:39<just1nux>and the video stuff. although i dont see why it should...its the same image names...
22:39<Chutt>brunes, in mythmusic, before it plays back
22:39<brunes>Chutt: If you can point me to the file and what I have to do ill fix it and post a patch
22:39<Chutt>it uses a different way to draw the lists
22:39<Chutt>brunes, there's audio resampling code in libavcodec
22:39<Chutt>which is in mythtv
22:40<brunes>hrm
22:40<Chutt>you want to modify mythmusic's audiooutput stuff
22:40<just1nux>ah
22:40<Chutt>should be pretty simple
22:40<Chutt>but, bbl
22:40<brunes>its a bit over my head i think :P
22:43<just1nux>wre you asking where to link to?
23:03<brunes>what is the best wm to use with mythtv?
23:11<mdz_>brunes: FAQ
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23:24<vektor>Chutt: do you have a nice mythtv logo somewhere as like an xcf or something?
23:24<vektor>or even a png
23:25<bline>hey vektor
23:27<vektor>hi
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23:29<vektor>Chutt: just point me at one sometime, need it for a link to you guys :)
23:29* vektorasleep.
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23:39<monkeyBox>hey all.. does anyone know where I can get the latest PVR 250 firmware?
23:41<brunes>night all.. I think that fixing this audio resampling bug is beyond me... /me hopes someone else can tacke it so he can use mythmusic :P
23:41<brunes>or the ability to use an external player..
23:43<ahbritto>wget http://hauppauge.lightpath.net/software/pvr250/pvr250_16_21062.exe
23:44<monkeyBox>ahbritto: thanks!
23:45<monkeyBox>Ok got another question.. Whenever I try to watch live-tv, I get a segfault w/ this: get_buffer() failed (stride changed) any ideas?
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23:53<monkeyBox>ok, I guess I'll post this segfault to the list... When I'm doing a backtrace (thread apply all bt full) is there a way to output it to a file (instead of hitting enter to continue)??