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00:22<tdb30_>humm interesting. I just set the time (whcih was off by a good chunk of time and it killed the backend
00:23<Chutt>was it in live tv?
00:23<vektor>found the bug with tvtime's xvideo on the epia
00:23<Chutt>vektor, hm?
00:23<vektor>it can't handle non-multiple-of-32 width frames
00:23<tdb30_>recording
00:24<Chutt>tdb30, a bunch of stuff is really time dependent during all that
00:24<tdb30_>ahh..humm.
00:24<Chutt>too big of a delay when it was expecting a small delay
00:24<Chutt>and boom
00:24* Captain_Murdochimagines negative timestamps
00:24<Chutt>yup
00:24<tdb30_>no way to code around it?
00:24<Chutt>and other nastys
00:24<Chutt>not really
00:24<Chutt>it's fine during small adjustments
00:25<Chutt>say, if you sync the time once a day
00:25<Chutt>vektor, that's odd. i also like how it ignores the picture x/y/w/h settings
00:26<vektor>oh it does?
00:26<Chutt>yeah, it won't display only part of the image
00:26<Chutt>just displays all of it
00:28<Captain_Murdoch>anyone have problems with vertical stripes on the video when using a pvr-250?
00:29<vektor>crappy
00:29<Captain_Murdoch>I didn't have them before when I had it in my other system, I'm wondering if I was using a different firmware at the time.
00:30<Chutt>picture's fine here
00:30<Captain_Murdoch>what file did you get your firmware images from if you remember?
00:30<Chutt>latest download from hauppauge's website
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00:31<awithers>there is a text string with the firmware version a few bytes into the files in /lib/modules
00:31<Chutt>i've got a 350 running with the same firmware
00:31<tdb30_>vi rkkk
00:32<Captain_Murdoch>my 250 is one of the early ones, not the earliest model but not the newer ones either.
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00:32<Captain_Murdoch>I've got 3 different firmware files other than the CD, I'll have to try some of those.
00:33<tdb30_>what is supposed to happen if you fastforward past the end of the show... I just get it freezing on the last frame.
00:33<Chutt>it exits
00:33<Chutt>which works fine here.
00:33<awithers>I'm using 2.02.001 (dec) 2.03.021 (enc) on two different 250's
00:34<Chutt>2.03.207 here
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00:34<Captain_Murdoch>chutt, same here. I'm going to try an older version since my card is older.
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00:34<Chutt>same decoder version, but that's meaningless at this point
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00:37<Chutt>i can't get it to exit early off of an in-progress recording
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00:53<anduin>chutt - have you ever seen in-progress drop off?
00:53<Chutt>nope
00:54<Chutt>i've been trying to reproduce with a variety of settings, etc
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00:54<Chutt>still can't get i tto
00:54<Chutt>to
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00:54<anduin>I've seen it happen, I can't reliably reproduce it... not expecting it to happen seems to be one of the steps sadly
00:54<Chutt>heh
00:55<Chutt>analog encodes, bad analog encodes (ie, dropping frames), hardware encoding, remote, local
00:55<anduin>it does not happen any more frequently with newer cvs for me... just once every blue moon.
00:55<Chutt>i've done all of those for quite a while recently
00:55<Chutt>that one guy on the list says it happens all the time for him
00:55<Chutt>i know _what_ it's doing, i just have no idea why
00:57<Chutt>ah well
00:57<Chutt>time to sleep.
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01:28<bline>happy weekend
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09:03<choenig>sfr: hi, I looked at your patch and modified it in that way that you now can select None, Auto and the offsets in the setup program.
09:04<choenig>addidionally I moved the calc of the offset out of the way, so that its not called over and over again
09:04<sfr>choenig, cool, thanks.
09:05<choenig>sfr: you want to have a look at it?
09:08<sfr>sure. Send the patch to sfr@gmx.net.
09:09<choenig>ok, done
09:20<sfr>choenig: one thing i noticed after sending my initial patch: changing 'localTimezoneOffset = -(ldt.secsTo(utcdt) / 3600)' to 'localTimezoneOffset = utcdt.secsTo(ldt) / 3600' looks cleaner
09:22<choenig>ah, yeah :)
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14:37<paulproteus|lapt>I just install MythTV on Debian Sid on my Xbox.
14:38<paulproteus|lapt>I want it for MythMusic, mostly. But when I put a CD in the CD-ROM drive, MythMusic doesn't seem to believe it's there.
14:38<paulproteus|lapt>cdparanoia can rip from it just fine if I run 'cdparnoia'.
14:38<thor>did you run setup?
14:39<paulproteus|lapt>mythtv-setup ?
14:39<paulproteus|lapt>Yes.
14:39<thor>(tell it where the device is)
14:39<paulproteus|lapt>And I used the Setup menu from mythfrontend
14:39<paulproteus|lapt>I told it /dev/cdrom.
14:39<thor>is that correct >
14:39<thor>?
14:39<paulproteus|lapt>Yes.
14:39<paulproteus|lapt>cdparanoia works just fine with that setting.
14:39<thor>mythmusic uses cdparanoia
14:40<thor>did you type it into the settings box, or use the arrow keys?
14:40<paulproteus|lapt>Er, I used the arrow keys to navigate.
14:40<paulproteus|lapt>It was the default; I just selected it.
14:41<thor>and went throught to the end (space, space, space) with no ESC anywhere?
14:42<thor>technically, space space =)
14:42<paulproteus|lapt>Yes.
14:42<thor>odd ...
14:42<paulproteus|lapt>I could offer a VNC connection to it, I guess.
14:42<thor>you know a little sql?
14:42<thor>SQL ?
14:42<paulproteus|lapt>"a little"
14:42<thor>ok, try this ...
14:42<thor>from a shell prompt
14:43<thor>mysql -p -u mythtv mythconverg
14:43<thor>(enter mythtv as password)
14:43<paulproteus|lapt>1 sec
14:44<paulproteus|lapt>ERROR 1045: Access denied for user: 'mythtv@localhost' (Using password: YES)
14:45<thor>ah
14:45<paulproteus|lapt>Is my DB setup b0rked?
14:45<paulproteus|lapt>I followed the Debian instructions, I think.
14:45<thor>sure sounds like it
14:45<paulproteus|lapt>But I'd be happy to blank it and start over.
14:45<paulproteus|lapt>I'd just need to know how.
14:45<thor>can you get in as root (to mysql) ?
14:45<sfr>thor wait! mdz debian packages use a random password created during install.
14:46<thor>oh
14:46<sfr>so check /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt
14:46<thor>random password for mythtv, or for root on mysql ?
14:46<paulproteus|lapt>(go MDZ!)
14:46<thor>ah
14:46<paulproteus|lapt>Okay, cool.
14:46<paulproteus|lapt>Root is passwordless
14:46<sfr>er, for the mythtv user
14:46<paulproteus|lapt>I mean, uh, I know its password.
14:46<thor>thanks sfr
14:46* paulproteus|laptducks
14:47<thor>so, do the same as before, but when it asks you for the password, do watever mysql.txt says it is
14:47<paulproteus|lapt>That worked nicely.
14:47<thor>you at a SQL prompt ?
14:48<paulproteus|lapt>Yes.
14:48<thor>select * from settings where value = "CDDevice" ;
14:48<paulproteus|lapt>| value | data | hostname |
14:48<paulproteus|lapt>+----------+------------+------------------+
14:48<paulproteus|lapt>| CDDevice | /dev/cdrom | mogul.laroia.net |
14:48<paulproteus|lapt>+----------+------------+------------------+
14:48<paulproteus|lapt>(That's right.)
14:48<thor>hostname looks a bit weird
14:49<thor>it's usually unqualified
14:49<paulproteus|lapt>mythtv@mogul:~$ hostname
14:49<paulproteus|lapt>mogul.laroia.net
14:49<paulproteus|lapt>Should I unqualify it /etc/hostname?
14:49<thor>well, I'm not really sure ...
14:49<paulproteus|lapt>mythtv@mogul:~$ host `hostname`
14:49<paulproteus|lapt>mogul.laroia.net has address 66.66.102.254
14:49<paulproteus|lapt>That's wrong.
14:49<paulproteus|lapt>One sec.
14:50<paulproteus|lapt>192.168.0.24 mogul.laroia.net in /etc/hosts
14:50<paulproteus|lapt>The hostname *should* be fine.
14:50<paulproteus|lapt>'host' always uses DNS, rather than glibc resolution order, iirc.
14:51<thor>do you have just "mogul" in /etc/hosts ?
14:51<sfr>just checked it here /etc/hostname is unqualified on my box (DEBIAN sid)
14:51<paulproteus|lapt>Yes.
14:51<thor>and all of mine
14:51<paulproteus|lapt>192.168.0.24 mogul.laroia.net mogul is the full line.
14:51<thor>(3 or 4)
14:51<thor>to mythtv that is
14:51* paulproteus|laptsets it to unqualified
14:52<thor>you still have a mysql prompt ?
14:52<paulproteus|lapt>But the SQL entries still say .laroia.net
14:52<paulproteus|lapt>Yes.
14:52<paulproteus|lapt>I set the hostname in /etc/hostname to just mogul.
14:52<paulproteus|lapt>Is that what you meant?
14:52<thor>hang on
14:52<thor>are you running *myth* on more than one box
14:52<thor>seperate front/back end ?
14:53<paulproteus|lapt>By the way, thank you all greatly.
14:53<paulproteus|lapt>Not rightn now, but I might later.
14:53<thor>ok, fine
14:53<thor>try this sql line:
14:53<thor>update settings set hostname = "mogul" ;
14:53<paulproteus|lapt>92 rows affected.
14:54<paulproteus|lapt>Try the frontend again?
14:54<thor>quit ;
14:54<paulproteus|lapt>Bye :)
14:54<thor>mythfrontend mythmusic
14:54<thor>try ripping
14:54<paulproteus|lapt>One sec, let me get the TV back from my parents :)
14:56<paulproteus|lapt>No dice.
14:56<paulproteus|lapt>Same blank "I don't believe a CD is in the drive" screen on Import.
14:56<paulproteus|lapt>And it doesn't show in Playlist view, either.
14:56<-- Snow-Manhas quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))
14:59<thor>permissions on /dev/cdrom ?
14:59<thor>(whoever myth is running as)
15:00<paulproteus|lapt>mythtv@mogul:~$ cdparanoia 1 -d /dev/cdrom works fine.
15:00<thor>myth running as same person as cdparanoia ?
15:00<paulproteus|lapt>group 'cdrom' has rw- on it, and mythtv is a member.
15:00<paulproteus|lapt>mythtv is running mythtv, and I just ran cdparanoia as him.
15:01* paulproteus|laptwaves to mdz: "Thanks for all your work with FLAC!"
15:01<paulproteus|lapt>metadata.o: Your database is out of whack. This is not good.
15:01<paulproteus|lapt>That's in .xsession-errors.
15:01<paulproteus|lapt>That seems relevant.
15:01<thor>that's ok (if you have no tracks yet)
15:02<paulproteus|lapt>I have none; that's what I thought it meant.
15:02* paulproteus|laptblinks
15:03<thor>ls -l /dev/cdrom
15:03<thor>then ls -l whatever the link is
15:03<paulproteus|lapt>"See how deep the rabbit hole goes", eh?
15:03<paulproteus|lapt>mythtv@mogul:~$ ls -l /dev/cdrom
15:03<paulproteus|lapt>lr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 13 Jul 4 08:39 /dev/cdrom -> cdroms/cdrom0
15:03<paulproteus|lapt>lr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 33 Dec 31 1969 /dev/cdroms/cdrom0 -> ../ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/cd
15:03<paulproteus|lapt>brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 3, 64 Dec 31 1969 /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/cd
15:03<paulproteus|lapt>mythtv@mogul:~$ groups
15:03<paulproteus|lapt>mythtv cdrom audio video
15:04<paulproteus|lapt>But the biggie is that (1) Myth doesn't report a permissions problem, and (2) cdparanoia works.
15:04<sfr>hm, maybe devfs is the problem?
15:04<thor>looks a bit wonky to me
15:04<paulproteus|lapt>But it works with cdparanoia....
15:05<thor>yes, but mythmusic does it's own device access
15:05<thor>this line:
15:05<sfr>but mythmusic never starts cdparanoia as it doesn't see a cdrom
15:05<thor>it doesn't run the executable
15:05<thor>it uses the library
15:05<paulproteus|lapt>But 'cdparanoia' working means the device permissions at least are fine.
15:06<paulproteus|lapt>I'll grant that Myth may have strange workings deep in its underbelly that I cannot predict, though.
15:06<thor>I would seriously think about doing a ln -s /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/cd /dev/cdrom
15:06<thor>but then I know nothing about devfs
15:06<paulproteus|lapt>I'll do that right now.
15:07<paulproteus|lapt>And, restarting Myth....
15:08<jkolb>Why not try putting /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/cd in the devide line and seeing if that works?
15:08<thor>jkolb, or straight in the db
15:08<paulproteus|lapt>Identical behavior.
15:08<paulproteus|lapt>Yeah, sure, I can do that. How woud I?
15:08<jkolb>RIght, that too.
15:08<thor>mysql -p -u mythtv mythconverg as before
15:08<paulproteus|lapt>I'll do it from the GUI, to avoid restarting Myth.
15:08<paulproteus|lapt>(Or, the DB would be fine, too ;)
15:08<thor>GUI doesn't always let you type stuff
15:09<thor>(or it does, but then ignores it)
15:09<thor>db is safer
15:09<thor>once you're in mysql
15:09* paulproteus|laptnods
15:10<jkolb>I can't resolve any of the mythtv.org hosts. Anyone else having problems?
15:10<thor>update settings set data="/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/cd" where value="CDDevice" ;
15:10<paulproteus|lapt>2 rows affected.
15:10<paulproteus|lapt>Testing now.
15:10<paulproteus|lapt>quitting first.
15:10<sfr>jkolb same here for www.mythtv.org
15:10<thor>jkolb, works for me
15:11<thor>paulproteus|lapt, did you say 2 rows affected ?
15:11<thor>*2*
15:11<paulproteus|lapt>Two.
15:11<paulproteus|lapt>Yes.
15:11<paulproteus|lapt>Still blank.
15:11<paulproteus|lapt>Is that strange?
15:11<thor>hmmmm
15:11<thor>yes, if you only have one machine running it
15:12* paulproteus|laptgrins
15:12<paulproteus|lapt>Okay. Maybe I should clear my SQL and re-fill it.
15:12<paulproteus|lapt>Who knows, maybe that'll magically fix it.
15:12<thor>it would be a good idea to completely rebuild the database
15:12<paulproteus|lapt>How do I pull this?
15:12<jkolb>select hostname from settings where value="CDDevice" ; ?
15:12<thor>but make sure your hostname resolves first
15:13<thor>(outside of myth)
15:13<paulproteus|lapt>Using 'host'?
15:13<paulproteus|lapt>'host' always uses DNS.
15:13<paulproteus|lapt>I can try, say, telnet.
15:13<paulproteus|lapt>It works.
15:13<thor>ping mogul
15:14<paulproteus|lapt>Both qualified and unqualified work.
15:14<paulproteus|lapt>(I tried both "ping mogul" and "ping mogul.laroia.net")
15:14<thor>same IP address ?
15:14<thor>ping output
15:14<paulproteus|lapt>Yes, same IP.
15:14<paulproteus|lapt>192.168.0.24 both times.
15:14<thor>different than localhost
15:14<paulproteus|lapt>mythtv@mogul:~$ ping mogul
15:14<thor>ping localhost says 127.0.0.1 ?
15:14<paulproteus|lapt>PING mogul.laroia.net (192.168.0.24): 56 data bytes
15:14<paulproteus|lapt>64 bytes from 192.168.0.24: icmp_seq=0 ttl=64 time=0.1 ms
15:14<paulproteus|lapt>mythtv@mogul:~$ ping mogul.laroia.net
15:15<paulproteus|lapt>Yes.
15:15<thor>good
15:15<paulproteus|lapt>Okay, that got mangled.
15:15<paulproteus|lapt>localhost is 127.0.0.1. mogul & mogul.laroia.net both resolve to eth0.
15:16<thor>so ... you probably want to drop the mythconverg database, do a database rebuild, and rerun setup
15:16<thor>perhaps drop devfs as well (I have no idea how hard that is to do, but it is EXPERIMENTAL code)
15:17<paulproteus|lapt>The symlinks work fine.
15:17<paulproteus|lapt>It's for hot-plug stuff that it's experimental.
15:17<paulproteus|lapt>Symlinks are just the same as using symlinks elsewhere.
15:17<thor>like I said, I know nothing about it
15:17<paulproteus|lapt>mysql> DROP database mythconverg;
15:17<paulproteus|lapt>Query OK, 0 rows affected (0.42 sec)
15:17<thor>that's right
15:17* paulproteus|laptnods
15:18<paulproteus|lapt>Bye, says MySQL. Now, how to rebuild the DB....
15:18<thor>main mythdirectory
15:18<thor>cd database
15:18<tdb30_>mythtv is constantly printing out a rebuffering message every 2 or 3 seconds and the screen is frozen. what would caus this.
15:19<thor>mysql < mc.sql
15:19<thor>tdb30_, I think it's your slowass computer =)
15:19<sfr>thor, he might not have mc.sql as he's using the deb's
15:19<tdb30_>hey you!
15:19<thor>sfr, glad you're still here
15:19<paulproteus|lapt>root@mogul:/usr/share/mythtv/sql#
15:20<paulproteus|lapt>. ./0-5-to-0-6.sql ./mythgallery.sql ./cvs.sql ./conflict.sql ./mythmusic-0-7-to-0-8.sql ./0-7-to-0-8.sql ./0.9-to-0.10.sql ./mythmusic-0-8-to-0-9.sql ./0-8-to-0-9.sql ./record.sql ./conflictupdate.sql ./mc.sql ./mythmusic.sql
15:20<paulproteus|lapt>Should I still do 'mc'?
15:20<sfr>paulproteus|lapt, uh, where'd you find these?
15:20<sfr>sorry, i'm blind ;-)
15:20<paulproteus|lapt>:)
15:21<thor>Debian ignorance, but is there a way to "purge" the packages and then re-get them ?
15:21<paulproteus|lapt>(I find find | xargs echo to keep it all on one line)
15:21<thor>that might be simplest
15:21<paulproteus|lapt>Yes. I guess I'll try that.
15:21<paulproteus|lapt>I'd rather do mysql < mc if that'll probably work, but okay.
15:21<sfr>thor, what do you mean? you can do forced reinstall of mythtv-database, should recreate mythconverg
15:22<paulproteus|lapt>sfr: Enlighten me :)
15:22<thor>sfr, ok ... much like devfs, i know nothing about Debian
15:22<paulproteus|lapt>apt-get --reinstall mythtv-database ?
15:22<thor>sfr?
15:23<jkolb>dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database?
15:23<sfr>paulproteus|lapt sorry never had to use it, maybe it works? let me check...
15:23* paulproteus|laptdoes reconfigure
15:23<paulproteus|lapt>Whee, that was quick.
15:24<paulproteus|lapt>How do I find out if it did something useful? Maybe an SQL command?
15:24<thor>yup ... you dropped the table .. so if it's there, it worked
15:24<jkolb>Well, if mythconverg exists, I'd say it did something useful.
15:24<sfr>try the mysql -p -u mythtv mythconverg on the cmd
15:24<paulproteus|lapt>Worked.
15:25* paulproteus|laptre-tries the frontend
15:25<sfr>paulproteus|lapt note that the mysql password for the mythtv sql user probably has changed.
15:25<paulproteus|lapt>By the way, thank all you tremendously for helping me out.
15:25<paulproteus|lapt>It wasn't (oddly?).
15:25<thor>we'll send you a bill later
15:26<paulproteus|lapt>You have no Myth tables in your DB.
15:26<paulproteus|lapt>"Okay, I'll RTFM"
15:26<thor>ah
15:26<paulproteus|lapt>Heh, that was fun.
15:26<thor>that;s mine
15:27<thor>probably just missing mythmusic tables
15:27<paulproteus|lapt>lol, thor, your Real Name is "Thor"?
15:27<thor>yup
15:27<paulproteus|lapt>How do I get a listing of all tables?
15:27<thor>show tables from mythconverg ;
15:27<sfr>thor: i think so, mythtv only creates the basic mythtv tables
15:27<jkolb>dpkg-reconfigure mythmusic (or whatever that package is called) would probably add those tables.
15:28<paulproteus|lapt>Things for TV.
15:28<paulproteus|lapt>dpkg-reconfigure mythmusic indeed.
15:29<sfr>paulproteus|lapt dito for other mythtv-plugins
15:29<paulproteus|lapt>dpkg --reconfigure mythweather mythmusic mythgallery mythweb, in fact.
15:29<paulproteus|lapt>(dpkg-reconfigure, rather)
15:29* paulproteus|laptblinks
15:31<Chutt>heh
15:31<Chutt>you didn't have a database problem, btw
15:31<paulproteus|lapt>No effect.
15:31<paulproteus|lapt>Eh, Chutt?
15:31<paulproteus|lapt>What did (do?) I have?
15:32<Chutt>i don't know, but it certainly wasn't a database problem
15:32<thor>but look how much we learned about dpkg !
15:32* paulproteus|laptis completely new to Myth, though I've been reading the site for ages
15:32* paulproteus|laptgrins
15:32<sfr>Chutt any problems with using devfs?
15:32<paulproteus|lapt>I'd say it's possible the Xbox drive doesn't read the CD wel, but cdparanoia picks it up just fine.
15:33<thor>you can use cdparanoia
15:33<thor>to rip
15:33<thor>for the time being
15:33<Chutt>well, it's using libcdparanoia
15:33<paulproteus|lapt>I guess so, thor.
15:33<paulproteus|lapt>Then import it.
15:33<paulproteus|lapt>Where does myth store its music?
15:33<Chutt>do you have the 'automatically look up cds' option turned on?
15:34<paulproteus|lapt>Yes.
15:34<Chutt>can you install, hmm, cdcd
15:34<Chutt>i think it's called
15:34<paulproteus|lapt>cdcd ? Um, okay.
15:34<Chutt>and see if that's able to see the drive and play it?
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15:34<Chutt>it uses libcdaudio (which mythmusic uses for cddb lookups)
15:34<paulproteus|lapt>I'm not sure regular CD playing works, as this is an Xbox.
15:35<paulproteus|lapt>xmms-cdread does work; I'll try cdcd.
15:35<Chutt>well, i'm using libcdaudio _only_ for cddb lookups
15:35<Chutt>and initial disc sensing and stuff
15:35<paulproteus|lapt>"I" is "mythmusic"?
15:35<Chutt>yeah
15:35* paulproteus|laptgrins at the idea that he's talking directly to the program
15:35<Chutt>i wrote all that junk, so i can say i :p
15:35<paulproteus|lapt>By the way, you rock. :)
15:36<thor>except for the bits that don't work very well
15:36<paulproteus|lapt>Oh, then I can ask you about this bug I have on Xbox when I get to it.
15:36<paulproteus|lapt>cdcd> play
15:36<paulproteus|lapt>No disc in drive
15:36<paulproteus|lapt>Well, gee.
15:36<Chutt>that'd be it, then
15:36<sfr>so Chutt might not be a human? Now i know why it always answers "wheres the patch" to feature requests and such?
15:36<thor>always been a bit Eliza'ish
15:36<paulproteus|lapt>I'm going to see what cdrecord says about the disc's TOC.
15:37<paulproteus|lapt>So, er, what if cdrecord and cdparanoia work, but libcdaudio doesn't?
15:37<Chutt>you're outta luck =)
15:37* paulproteus|laptmoans
15:37<thor>rip with cdparanaoia
15:37<Chutt>unless you can fix libcdaudio
15:37<thor>and tell mythmusic where you ripped to
15:37<sfr>Chutt, by submitting a patch, most likely ;-)
15:37<paulproteus|lapt>thor: Right, right. I could always rip them myself.
15:38<Chutt>but it's nice to have it internal
15:38<paulproteus|lapt>Very yes.
15:38<paulproteus|lapt>Especially since this is for my parents, not me.
15:39<yebyen>i need to get imap going
15:39<yebyen>heh
15:39<paulproteus|lapt>libcdaudio. Time to hit Google.
15:39<thor>include search string "devfs"
15:39<Chutt>libcdaudio.sf.net
15:39<Chutt>i believe
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15:39<paulproteus|lapt>Thor, I'll give cdcd the real CD device and see what it thinks.
15:40<sfr>paulproteus|lapt running debian stable?
15:40<jkolb>I have to doubt that it's a problem with devfs. devfs is required on Gentoo, and there are a lot of people running Gentoo Myth boxen.
15:40* paulproteus|laptlooks around stealthily
15:40<thor>ok
15:40<paulproteus|lapt>_Un_stable.
15:40<Chutt>it's an issue in libcdaudio
15:40<Chutt>i bet
15:41<thor>mailing list post wouldn't hurt either, as someone may have seen this before
15:41<paulproteus|lapt>To the myth mailing list?
15:41<paulproteus|lapt>Or libcdaudi0?
15:41<thor>or both
15:41<Chutt>libcdaudio's fairly dead
15:41<paulproteus|lapt>Yes.
15:42* paulproteus|laptwhines
15:42<paulproteus|lapt>(More like "moans", I guess.)
15:43<yebyen>does mythmusic have more than one vis now?
15:43<yebyen>heh
15:43<paulproteus|lapt>And libcdaudio seems fairly slightly broken.
15:43<paulproteus|lapt>I'll write up that ML post. Thanks, guys.
15:43<thor>yebyen, yup
15:44<thor>paulproteus|lapt, good luck
15:44<jkolb>Where do perror prints appear?
15:44<thor>on Chutt's computer
15:45<Chutt>stderr
15:45<jkolb>Is that dependent on building DEBUG?
15:45<Chutt>nope.
15:47<jkolb>paulproteus|lapt: Are there any messages on the console you ran mythfrontend from? (Did someone else already ask this and I missed it?)
15:47<paulproteus|lapt>Okay, libcdaudio's mailing lists have 5 posts (users) and 6 posts (devel). Ever.
15:47<paulproteus|lapt>jkolb: Let me check .xsession-errors
15:47<Chutt>like i said, it's pretty much dead
15:47<paulproteus|lapt><flood>
15:48<paulproteus|lapt>metadata.o: Your database is out of whack. This is not good.
15:48<paulproteus|lapt>playlist.o: This is either the first time you've run mythmusic while
15:48<paulproteus|lapt> connected to this database, or you haven't added a recent
15:48<paulproteus|lapt> cvs.sql update, or something else entirely has gone horribly
15:48<paulproteus|lapt> wrong.
15:48<paulproteus|lapt> You may want to exit now and read musicdb/README.
15:48<paulproteus|lapt>playlist.o: This is either the first time you've run mythmusic while
15:48<paulproteus|lapt> connected to this database, or you haven't added a recent
15:48<paulproteus|lapt> cvs.sql update, or something else entirely has gone horribly
15:48<paulproteus|lapt> wrong.
15:48<paulproteus|lapt> You may want to exit now and read musicdb/README.
15:48<paulproteus|lapt></flood>
15:49<sfr>paulproteus|lapt might try a dpkg --purge mythtv-music and install again?
15:49<thor>no, that's ok
15:49* paulproteus|laptshrugs
15:49<thor>just no tracks
15:49<sfr>ah, ok.
15:49<paulproteus|lapt>I could try it, but I really think the problem is libcd4d10.
15:49<paulproteus|lapt>4ud10, excuse me.
15:50<yebyen>thor: ooh
15:50<thor>ooh?
15:50<paulproteus|lapt>Okay, libcdaudio only has 5 messages, and they're all either blank or spam.
15:50<paulproteus|lapt>Ugh.
15:51<jkolb>Chutt: cd_init_device() and friends are the libcdaudio functions?
15:51<yebyen>thor: yeah, just reading now that you said there are multiple vis's...
15:51<yebyen>thor: any of them pretty and not-particularly-resource-intensive?
15:51<yebyen>hehe
15:52<paulproteus|lapt>Ugh, ugh, ugh.
15:52<paulproteus|lapt> I have to make things clear: I didn't
15:52<paulproteus|lapt> write libcdaudio and I don't know how it works. All I did is
15:52<paulproteus|lapt> rewrite/reorganize parts of the cdcd program; what I did about
15:52<paulproteus|lapt> libcdaudio is to take the maintainership, but since I don't really
15:52<paulproteus|lapt> know libcdaudio, all I have done is only applying patches or tweaking
15:52<paulproteus|lapt> some parts of the code without understanding it all.
15:52<paulproteus|lapt>So says the libcdaudio maintainer.
15:52* paulproteus|laptcries
15:53<thor>yebyen, Blank is minimum resources, Spectrum or MonoScope are ok
15:53<yebyen>heh
15:59<paulproteus|lapt>Waaa....
16:01<paulproteus|lapt>-dev or -users ?
16:02<thor>probably -users ("Anyone else seen this problem")
16:02<sfr>don't know, but make sure NOT to send it to both lists. It's not appreciated.
16:02<thor>although -dev if ("Here's the code I'm planning to write to fix this")
16:05<paulproteus|lapt>Okay. Are most devs on users, too? I guess I'd accept guidance on how to fix it, but I have no experience with low-level CD stuff.
16:05<paulproteus|lapt>And I have to go. Thanks, everyone, again.
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16:27<tdb30_>humm.. seems like the computer locks up mostly when I rewind or fastforward....
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16:43<sfr>Chutt ?
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18:02<bahadunnwk>hello all
18:02<bahadunnwk>I would like to use mythtv
18:03<bahadunnwk>I have a ati rage 128 all in wonder but I cant seem to get tvout or tvin to work
18:03<bahadunnwk>I have been to the gatos site
18:03<bahadunnwk>and done everything they have said to do as far as I can tell
18:03<bahadunnwk>at first I had some cxp something or other error
18:03<bahadunnwk>but I installed a new kernel
18:03<bahadunnwk>and it seems to have been fixed now
18:03<bahadunnwk>but I cant get it to work
18:04<jkolb>Yay bad storms. I just lost power.
18:04<bahadunnwk>can anyone please help me
18:04<bahadunnwk>I really would like to try mythtv out
18:04<jkolb>I suppose I should shut everything down. Later all.
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18:08<thor>bahadunnwk, http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythInfo
18:09<thor>quote "All-In-Wonder cards WILL NOT work due to driver issues."
18:09<bahadunnwk>oh ok
18:09<bahadunnwk>any recommendations on some hardware that is compatible?
18:09<thor>the gatos driver is not V4L compliant
18:10<vektor>the driver just sucks, and the hardware is so limited
18:10<bahadunnwk>well to be honest the gatos driver seems to be a peice of crap
18:10<bahadunnwk>in my humble opinion
18:10<vektor>bahadunnwk: get any capture card with a bt878 chip, or get a PVR-250 maybe ?
18:10<thor>Hauppauge PVR 250 350 for hardware mpeg
18:10<bahadunnwk>and what about tv out?
18:10<thor>nvidia seems to cause the least problems
18:10<tdb30_>there is some utility somewhere to get tvout working on the older rage cards I think.
18:11<bahadunnwk>so there is no ati all in wonder that will work?
18:11<tdb30_>basicly ATI stinks and you should never buy one again ;)
18:11<bahadunnwk>what about a normal radeon with tv out that is not all in wonder
18:11<tdb30_>I got stuck with an ati card in my laptop and while gatos is like a bandaid letting me do some 3d stuff with it. I'd rather use the closed source but supported nvidia cards.
18:12<thor>if X works, you can turn TV-out on, and XVideo extension works, then you'll be fine for out
18:12<tdb30_>I think tvout works when you use vesa on the older ati cards.
18:12<bahadunnwk>I just ordered a gigabyte radeon 9000 pro
18:12<bahadunnwk>sigh
18:12<bahadunnwk>I thought ati had good support in linux
18:13<tdb30_>they have the worst
18:13<bahadunnwk>I thought they had open source drivers and all that stuff
18:13<bahadunnwk>well thats great
18:13<thor> if X works, you can turn TV-out on, and XVideo extension works, then you'll be fine for out
18:13<tdb30_>and they announced a week or so that what support they did have they are recinding and not supporting anymore
18:13<bahadunnwk>how do you turn tvout on
18:13<bahadunnwk>?
18:13<thor>on a radeon 9000 pro?
18:14<bahadunnwk>yes and or on the rage 128
18:14<thor>http://www.xfree86.org/4.3.0/RELNOTES3.html#10
18:15<vektor>ATI has been reasonable about giving out specs, at least in many cases.
18:15<vektor>Better than some companies.
18:15<vektor>However, there aren't enough good developers, and the developers who have the specs aren't making progress quick enough, afaict anyway.
18:15<vektor>Like look at the GATOS project.
18:15<vektor>It's not for lack of specs, it's for lack of good driver authors.
18:15<bahadunnwk>yep
18:15<vektor>Although for some features it has been lack of specs too.
18:16<vektor>The ATI binary drivers are terrible from what I can tell.
18:16<vektor>Compared to the NVIDIA binary drivers, they seem pretty shameful.
18:16<bahadunnwk>so the radeon xfree driver will give 3d support?
18:16<bahadunnwk>I have tried xfree drivers before that claim they are accellorated and they dont do 3d suport
18:16<vektor>Yeah apparently, but I dunno how good it will be.
18:16<vektor>I mean, 3D support isn't like something you turn on or off.
18:17<bahadunnwk>k
18:17<vektor>You can have lots of varying degrees of goodness.
18:17<bahadunnwk>I guess I should have gotten an nvidia card
18:17<bahadunnwk>but
18:17<vektor>i.e., is the shader supported, is the blah supported, what about the blah GL extension, ... ... ...
18:17<bahadunnwk>im not impressed with the new fx series
18:17<vektor>3D support is more than just 'does glxgears spin quickly'.
18:18<thor>myth runs very nicely on most older nvidia cards
18:18<vektor>Just avoid the TNT series.
18:18<vektor>and the TNT2 cards.
18:18<bahadunnwk>ok
18:18<vektor>and avoid any AGP chipset other than intel.
18:18<bahadunnwk>so get nvidia cards wtih tv out
18:18<bahadunnwk>and get a supported tv capture card
18:18<bahadunnwk>and im straight
18:19<bahadunnwk>?
18:19<thor>well ... no guarantees =) but you're headed in the right direction
18:19<vektor>it's a good start, but don't be afraid to regret any purchase, of course. :-)
18:19<thor>any before you click "Buy", search the mailing lists for horror stories
18:20<bahadunnwk>true
18:20<bahadunnwk>I have lots of nvidia experience in linux
18:20<bahadunnwk>but I thought ati was better
18:20<bahadunnwk>I talked with some dudes in the debian channel
18:20<bahadunnwk>who were saying that the nvidia drivers suck
18:20<bahadunnwk>and the ati open source are much better
18:20<thor>myth doesn't care about 3D
18:21<vektor>there are tons of 'stories' and no real objective reviews.
18:21<bahadunnwk>I figured it woudln't
18:21<vektor>someone should really do a review site.
18:21<thor>it wants 2D/XVideo fast
18:21<bahadunnwk>but apparently for this ati card I need the 3d drivers to do tv out
18:21<bahadunnwk>or capture
18:22<thor>Chutt, you finished image caching already ?
18:22<thor>did you mow the lawn?
18:23<bahadunnwk>what is xvideo all about?
18:23<bahadunnwk>can you get xvideo without 3d support?
18:23<thor>yup
18:23<bahadunnwk>for instance I have a nvidia vanta card
18:24<bahadunnwk>that always locks up with the nvidia drivers
18:24<bahadunnwk>so I use the plain nv driver
18:24<thor>it let's hardware scale and blit the video around
18:24<bahadunnwk>which means xv is disabled
18:24<bahadunnwk>is there a way to get it to work like that?
18:24<thor>does it have TV out?
18:24<bahadunnwk>no it doesnt
18:24<vektor>the vanta card sucks.
18:24<vektor>it's a TNT
18:25<bahadunnwk>but for watching movies and stuff on the computer
18:25<vektor>it's terribly bandwidth limited
18:25<vektor>it can't downscale
18:25<bahadunnwk>maybe thats why it doesn't work with the nvidia drivers
18:25<vektor>it works horribly at high resolutions
18:25<bahadunnwk>I have also a geforce 2 gts which is fine
18:25<vektor>it always frustrates me how many of the users of my app have a TNT
18:25<vektor>since the card is so not powerful
18:25<bahadunnwk>ok
18:25<bahadunnwk>so I will stick to nvidia then
18:26<bahadunnwk>thanks for all the info guys
18:26<tdb30_>vektor you work on tvtime?
18:26<bahadunnwk>as usually if I have more questions I may ask in this channel?
18:26<vektor>tdb30_: tvtime is my app.
18:26<vektor>tdb30_: like, i wrote most of it.
18:27<thor>cool ... and ivtv driver, yes?
18:27<vektor>huh?
18:27<thor>vektor, don't you work on the ivtv driver ?
18:28<vektor>no
18:28<thor>hmmmm
18:28<thor>no I'm confused
18:28<vektor>but i have a pvr-250 now
18:28<thor>now
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18:28<vektor>tmk did the ivtv driver
18:28<thor>ah yes
18:28<thor>that sounds familiar
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20:00<paulproteus|lapt>Quick question: Does anyone have any experience with a V4L USB tuner?
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20:23<DaveAlden>hi -- is there anyone out there with an opinion on mythvideo coverfiles?
20:28<bline>yeah
20:28<DaveAlden>cool -- what is it? I'm more than willing to implement this in whatever way people want, the problem is coming to a consesus. :-)
20:29<bline>currently they are stored in ~/.mythtv/MythVideo, correct?
20:30<bline>these are the ones that come from indb
20:31<DaveAlden>correct -- I don't know if you are aware, but I made a (nice and small) patch that checks to see if a ".<movie>" file exists and use that as a cover. Some people don't seem to like that...:-)
20:31<bline>why not just make an entry in the DB for the image in ~/.mythtv/MythVideo even if it's not found in indb?
20:33<DaveAlden>sorry, I'm confused...what I was looking to do was to check to see if the user already stored a copy of the coverfile somewhere (I don't like the files from imdb) and use it...
20:34<DaveAlden>I originally looked in the MythVideo directory, but as Isaac pointed out, it makes more sense to look where the movie is stored...now the issue seems to be what to call the coverfile.
20:34<bline>can't you just replace the files in ~/.mythtv/MythVideo?
20:35<DaveAlden>Yeah, but why even go there -- I know I'd rather have them in the movie directory -- that way I can see them if I'm on a client front-end and using NFS to get the movies (but not the same ~/.mythtv directory)
20:36<bline>well if you are going to put them in the move directory, I'd say use a subdirectory called covers
20:36<bline>and ignore that in the movie listings
20:36<DaveAlden>I thought about that, along with naming it "<movie>.cover" (or such), but they all have other drawbacks...
20:36<paulproteus|lapt>Quick, implement it before other people have a chance to tell you how to do it!
20:37<paulproteus|lapt>;)
20:37<DaveAlden>There's already an issue with ignoring "non-movies" -- it doesn't do it. :-) I'd rather not write the patch that has it check to see if the file is a movie or not...:-)
20:37<DaveAlden>(yes, paulproteus|lapt -- you're right :-)
20:37<bline>Well, I'd perfer the covers be in a different place
20:37<DaveAlden>I guess I was hoping to get a consensus from "the people who count"...:-)
20:38<bline>maybe have a configurable directory for them
20:38<Chutt>i'd still say just strip the extension off the video file
20:38<DaveAlden>I wouldn't mind that -- the problem then comes up of modifying mythvideo to ignore that directory...
20:38<Chutt>and look for .png or .jpg or .gif
20:38<bline>finially, the people that count speak up ;)
20:39<DaveAlden>Cool -- I can do that. Would you like me to modify mythvideo so that it doesn't show the coverfile in the "browse movies"? (Currently it would).
20:39<Chutt>sure
20:39<Chutt>i'd just store a list of extensions that are movie files somewhere and match against that
20:40<DaveAlden>ok -- somewhere I got the list of acceptable image types for QT -- I'll go hunt it down again. :-)
20:40<Chutt>it's something like QImage::imageTypeList()
20:40<Chutt>inputFormatList()
20:40<DaveAlden>cool -- thanks. I guess I'd better get busy coding. :-)
20:41<DaveAlden>btw, is it ok to assume that the user named the file <moviename>.<extension> -- meaning that I just do a reverse search for the first period?
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21:06<Chutt>check out the QFileInfo class -- http://doc.trolltech.com/3.1/qfileinfo.html
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21:47<Captain_Murdoch>Chutt: you around?
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21:59<Chutt>yeah
22:00<Captain_Murdoch>check out this addition to the playbackbox. :) http://www.bc2va.org/chris/tmp/playback-1.jpg and http://www.bc2va.org/chris/tmp/playback-2.jpg
22:01<Captain_Murdoch>images that turn on/off indicating whether there's a cutlist, autoexpire on/off, and commercials flagged.
22:01<Chutt>heh
22:01<Chutt>nice
22:01<Chutt>yeah, very cool
22:02<Captain_Murdoch>cheesy images right now but theme designers could do their own. they're optional anyway.
22:02<Chutt>yeah
22:03<bline>that is nice
22:03<Captain_Murdoch>anything else that might make sense to put there?
22:04<bline>transcoding?
22:04<Chutt>is that running over vnc or whatever you usually do?
22:05<Captain_Murdoch>thought about that, but could just have 1 indicator that indicates a sort of "in use" for commercial flagging or transcoding. I don't remember if the transcode code sets the "processing" flag or not.
22:05<Chutt>you need to install the microsoft fonts and make sure you're running at a dpy of 100x100 =)
22:05<Captain_Murdoch>nah, that's an "import" running on my main dev machine. I haven't had to use the remote thing since I upgraded the distribution on my laptop. :)
22:06<Captain_Murdoch>yeah, haven't got around to those. need to look at doing that anyway cause my wife needs some of the fonts on her machine as well. I converted her to Linux from Win98 about 6 months ago. :)
22:07<Captain_Murdoch>I run the gui at 800x600 to develop while X runs at 1280x1024
22:07<Chutt>that's what i do, except i'm running at 1280x960 like sane people do =)
22:08<Captain_Murdoch>that extra 64 is for my fvwm buttonbar. :)
22:08<Chutt>basically, if you grab the ms fonts and switch to 100x100, your fonts will be bigger and not look all crappy
22:09<bline>how do you switch to 100x100?
22:09<thor>Captain_Murdoch, look snice
22:09<Chutt>it's an option when you run x
22:09<bline>ahh, there is no config option then
22:09<thor>bline, you can set your display size inside XF86Config
22:10<bline>thor: yeah, that's what I ended up doing but it was a hit/miss thing
22:10<bline>I ended up with a strange value to get 100x100
22:10<bline>thor: hows the dvd stuff coming?
22:10<Chutt>exec /usr/bin/X11/X -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp
22:11<Chutt>from my xserverrc
22:11<thor>or that
22:11<thor>dvd stuff is trundling along
22:11<thor>you can launch the mtd from the ripping screen ... not that it does much
22:11<bline>if you need anyone to test, I'd be happy to
22:11<thor>I'm just slow
22:11<bline>you using libdvdread?
22:12<thor>wrong tense, but yeah
22:12<Chutt>well, you're using transcode, which uses libdvdread, right
22:12<Chutt>?
22:12<thor>again, wrong verb tense, but I think I'll be using just libdvdread to ship jobs to the mtd
22:13<Chutt>ah
22:13<bline>I found ogle to be a nice dvd player for nav with a remote and stuff
22:13<thor>and the mtd will be gradually eating more and more of transcode
22:13<thor>ogle is much nicer than Mplayer in my experience
22:13<thor>player is already configurable
22:13<Chutt>any reason it can't just exec transcode and grab any status info from its stdout/stderr?
22:14<bline>yeah, and the nav is mappable so I was able to work it into my remote layout
22:14<Chutt>seems like it'd be simplest
22:14<thor>in the beginning it is (will be) not doing much more than that
22:14<Chutt>ok
22:14<Chutt>i _was_ thinking, it really wouldn't be all that difficult to make a native dvd player
22:14<Chutt>what with libdvdread/nav/etc
22:15<Chutt>if someone else is looking for a project =)
22:15<thor>not exactly on my todo list
22:15<bline>I actually looked into that a week ago or so, but then thor started on the dvd plugin
22:16<Chutt>be nice as it'd use the same osd and keybindings and stuff
22:16<thor>it would be great
22:17<Chutt>no time =)
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22:17<thor>yup
22:17<thor>ogle/mplayer/xine will do
22:17<Chutt>yup
22:17<thor>and people can map the keys
22:18<thor>in the .whatereverrc
22:18<thor>wholly crap myth takes a long time to build
22:20<Chutt>heh, what, you update your cvs checkout and need to do a clean build?
22:21<thor>for a little one line change of my own that I wanted to commit
22:22<thor>while I'm at it, I'm commenting out two unused variable (bgcolor and fgcolor) in mythcontext.cpp
22:22<Chutt>sure
22:22<Chutt>just remove em
22:23<Chutt>that's what cvs is there for =)
22:23<thor>k
22:26<thor>Chutt, some reason why the library is still version 0.10 ?
22:27<Chutt>i was lazy
22:27<Chutt>and still am
22:27<thor>k
22:27<bline>just tried the new transcode stuff
22:27<Captain_Murdoch>and it keeps people on the mailing lists from saying they're running v0.11 already
22:27<bline>its got no sound now heh
22:28<Chutt>bline, didn't the guy say it doesn't work so well on mpeg encodes?
22:28<Captain_Murdoch>I installed the msfonts rpm, I'll take a look at 100dpi sometime.
22:28<bline>Chutt: he said he hadn't tried it I thought
22:28<Captain_Murdoch>gotta run out for a few.
22:28<Chutt>captain_murdoch, run qtconfig and make sure you've got the 'enable aa fonts' options turned on and stuff, too
22:28<Chutt>bline, yeah, that's right
22:30<Captain_Murdoch>yeah but the new ones don't show up in xlsfonts for some reason. I'll play with it later. gotta run.
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