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#mythtv IRC Logs for 2003-07-21

00:24<Chutt>just1nux, yeah, it's a driver bug
00:27<just1nux>ioctl works fine though?
00:27<Chutt>yup
00:27<Chutt>tmk's too lazy to fix it
00:28<just1nux>ugh...
00:28<just1nux>any idea when it occurred so i can go to an earlier ivtv?
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00:30<bahadunn_>how do I setup X to do tvout?
00:31<Chutt>you read the documentation in X about your particular video card
00:33<just1nux>chutt: nevermind, i found and old copy of ivtv on my hd.
00:33<Chutt>bah
00:34<Chutt>i was trying to find the date that change went it
00:34<Chutt>in
00:34<bahadunn_>yes I read it
00:34<bahadunn_>I still cant get it to work though
00:34<bahadunn_>its an ati radeon 7000
00:34<bahadunn_>everything works great up until I do startx
00:34<Chutt>go ask the gatos people.
00:34<bahadunn_>then I get a white screen
00:34<Chutt>it's their crappy driver.
00:34<bahadunn_>the gatos drivers suck
00:34<bahadunn_>im using the xfree drivers I think
00:34<Chutt>exactly, so go talk to them
00:35<bahadunn_>ok
00:35<bahadunn_>later
00:35<Chutt>then you don't get tv out
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01:15<bline>I'm going to see if I can't fix the transcode stuff for the crap pvr-250 outputs
01:25<Chutt>fix the audio instead =)
01:26<bline>in ivtv?
01:26<Chutt>yeah
01:26<bline>it doesn't bother me
01:26<bline>heh
01:27<Chutt>doesn't bother me either, but it's silly that it's not getting fixed
01:27<bline>yeah, dunno what happened to tmk
01:28<Chutt>audio with whine is better than no audio at all
01:28<Chutt>as much as i like my clean sounding audio =)
01:28<bline>I never got the whine, and changing channels fixes the lack of audio
01:28<Chutt>can't quite change channels on a composite input
01:29<Captain_Murdoch>see the moron on the -dev list asking me to make it so that a backend can write to another backend's disk when the first backend's disk fills up?
01:29<Chutt>heh
01:30<Chutt>you're not going to do that, right?
01:30<bline>heh
01:30<Captain_Murdoch>that's what nfs is for.
01:30<Captain_Murdoch>nfs & lvm
01:31<Captain_Murdoch>I should reply and tell him he needs to go download the MythNFS plugin.
01:31<bline>heh
01:31<Captain_Murdoch>and he even put "Thanks." at the end after his request.
01:31<paulproteus>There's a plugin for NFS? I just mount NFS directories....
01:32* paulproteusis going to use AFS in the future
01:32<bline>Captain_Murdoch: do it ;)
01:32<Chutt>ah, the bitterness
01:32<Chutt>captain_murdoch, you are now accepted into the brotherhood of crusty old open source programmers
01:32<paulproteus>Captain_Murdoch: Tell him to use AFS.
01:33<paulproteus>It's slightly hard to set up, but rocks tremendously.
01:33<paulproteus>Can one combine NFS partitions with LVM?
01:33<paulproteus>That's so ad-hoc, so duct-tape-and-staples.... It's *so* OSS.
01:33<Chutt>Hi! Code this for me! Thanks!
01:34<Captain_Murdoch>Chutt, you don't know how many times I get asked if I'm going to add or when I'm going to add voice chat support to my GTK+ yahoo chat app. it's hillarious.
01:34<paulproteus>Captain_Murdoch, when are you going to add voice chat to your GTK+ yahoo chat app? I heard someone say you were going to have it by next Wednesday.
01:34<Captain_Murdoch>anyway, got my good laugh before heading to bed. maybe I'll reply in the morning if I wake up in a bad mood. :)
01:34* paulproteusducks
01:35<Captain_Murdoch>paulproteus: maybe it's in there already and you don't know the super secret key combination.
01:36<Captain_Murdoch>I tell them if they want it they can code it. :) been saying that since yahoo added voice.
01:36<Captain_Murdoch>anyway, 'night all.
01:36<Chutt>g'nite
01:36<paulproteus>You know, I'm using Myth on Xbox, and I have to say, it feels like that's exactly where the Linux group is: Decoding MS' stuff.
01:36<paulproteus>Ciao, Mon Capitain.
01:39<tdb30_>quick question... does live playback and watching recordings use the same playback code. Basicly is the code that calls the pause and fastforward etc features the same code?
01:44<Timon>thor: you up?
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11:20<extremis>damnit, recording still doesn't work
11:20<extremis>I have duplicate entries in my DB now though so I'm going to dump and rerun mythfill
11:20<extremis>I think it had something to do with me having multiple connections for the saem provider
11:21<extremis>not the scheduling problem, but the duplications
11:21<extremis>the recording issue was there before the multiple connections
11:24<Chutt>you've got something configured wrong
11:24<Chutt>basically
11:25<thor>extremis, live work?
11:25<Chutt>thor, backend -v apparently doesn't even say it's going to record things
11:26<Chutt>and there's no way to skip that message if it's going to record..
11:26<thor>comment it out?
11:26<thor>=)
11:27<thor>AGGHHHH so close
11:28<thor>January 2003, " I have a very strong dislike of wikis."
11:28<thor>July 2003, "I rather dislike wikis."
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11:41<Chutt>captain_murdoch, hey
11:42<Chutt>won't that bug cause the auto-expire stuff to not work anymore?
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12:04<blow_core>Is there anyone around that feels like helping my out with my new (not working) mythtv install?
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12:17<thor>blow_core, sure ... first what's your VISA number?
12:18<thor>oh, and expiry date
12:18<thor>=)
12:19<Peit|work>Chutt: remember the segfault/panic i was getting, it appears to be restricted to one front end
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12:30<blow_core>thor: Good try, but no.
12:32<thor>AMEX?
12:33<blow_core>Uh, no.
12:33<thor>OK, what's the problem (I'll give you my paypal info later)?
12:33<blow_core>What would make myth's setup segfault on a brand new install?
12:33<blow_core>Here's what I have done
12:33<thor>audio
12:33<blow_core>Or lack thereof?
12:33<thor>it's almost always an audio problem
12:34<thor>but, tell me what you've done
12:34<blow_core>I don't have my sound card working yet.
12:34<thor>ah
12:34<thor>well
12:34<thor>tha's it
12:34<thor>that's
12:34<Chutt>naw
12:34<Chutt>http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-18.html#ss18.1
12:34<Chutt>is probably it
12:34<thor>listen to Chutt
12:35<Chutt>without you providing any more information than the rather useless 'it segfaults'
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12:35<blow_core>I'm going to once you get the initial "This is almost always it" things out of the way.
12:36<blow_core>And it's an XP1700, so I don't think it's the processor thing.
12:36<thor>if it's *just* setup, then it's probably not audio
12:36<Chutt>where's it segfaulting..
12:38<Chutt>ok, waste my time, why don't you
12:38<blow_core>Ok, I run setup. It asks me if I want to clear out a couple of things (on the console that is). I can't recall what it says at the moment, and I am in the middle of a debug build, so I can't say.
12:38<blow_core>Anyway ...
12:38<blow_core>It then displays a blue image for about a half a second, and then dies.
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12:39<thor>you sure it doesn't just look like it's hanging ?
12:39<Chutt>come back when you have a backtrace.
12:39<thor>dialog box dies back to console, or the display just sits there?
12:39<blow_core>Dies back to console.
12:39<thor>ah, ok, come back with bt
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13:17<Peit|Home>anyone seen, saa7115[0]: decoder set size
13:17<Peit|Home>divide error: 0000 in var log messages on a backend before the backend segfaulted?
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13:45<just1nux>Chutt: what did you think of the suggestion the guy on the list had about swf for menus? Just wondering, cuz after seeing how 'active' microsofts pvr software was, myth looked stagnant.
13:46<Chutt>i dunno
13:46<Chutt>if someone sends me a clean patch that doesn't mess things up horribly, i wouldn't be against it
13:46<thor>flash ?
13:46<just1nux>people keep telling me the cloud in my theme should be moving... yeah flash
13:46<Peit|Home>Chutt: you're on the ivtv list are you not?
13:46<Chutt>yup
13:46<Chutt>never seen that error message reported
13:47<Peit|Home>I can't get a backtrace...
13:47<Peit|Home>honestly, i tried
13:47<Chutt>well, since it's in the driver..
13:47<Chutt>not much i can do about it
13:47<Peit|Home>deffo driver then?
13:47<Chutt>i'd say so
13:47<Peit|Home>that's really weird, it was working last week, and i swear i've not changed anything
13:48<Peit|Home>time for more driver debugging..
13:48<Peit|Home>talk about a whole new playground to explore
13:49<just1nux>chutt: even after loading the old ivtv drivers, i still had no audio after switching inputs. I just tried specifically telling the msp driver which audio standard to use when it load. Now the problem is gone. Just incase anyone else runs into that.
13:50<Chutt>just1nux, that's what people are saying they're doing on the ivtv list
13:50<Chutt>it's silly to have to do that, as it's obviously a driver bug
13:50<just1nux>ok. yeah definitely not defaulting correctly
13:53<just1nux>Chutt: another comment ive heard from people using my mythtv. Why is there no clock on the menu screens?
13:53<thor>there is if you run lcdproc !
13:54<just1nux>thor: whats lcdproc?
13:54<thor>software to drive little lcd/fluro displays that fit in drive bays
13:54<just1nux>oh, well the pcs are in the closet so that wont help
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14:55<blow_core>Ok, how would you prefer to get this backtrace? Shall I send it to mythtv-dev?
14:55<thor>sure, or if you could put it up on a web server and paste the URL here. Either way.
14:55<blow_core>What else should I send with it? List of installed debs or anything like that?
14:56<blow_core>Hmmm ... I can do a webserver I think. Stand by.
14:57<blow_core>http://www.k-labs.com/typescript
14:57<thor>having a look
14:57<blow_core>No making fun of my website though. It's in sad need of attention :)
14:58<thor>you running cvs?
14:58<thor>(recent)
14:58<blow_core>No. That comes out of the source package for 10
14:59<thor>myth 0.10, yes
14:59<thor>?
14:59<blow_core>Sorry, mythtv-0.10, yes
15:00<thor>you do a make install ?
15:01<blow_core>No, I built packages from the debian/rules scripts.
15:01<blow_core>Well, after I took out the strip directive, of course.
15:01<thor>oops
15:01<thor>this is Chutt's code, ...
15:01<thor>but my first guess
15:02<thor>is that it can't find pixmaps
15:02<thor>(often, however, my first guesses are really bad)
15:02<thor>... still looking ...
15:02<blow_core>For the menu stuff you mean?
15:02<thor>locate background.png
15:02<thor>can you do that ?
15:03<blow_core>Let me update slocate. I've only had this box installed about 48 hours now.
15:04<thor>otherwise it's mystery to me ...
15:05<thor>post to the mailing list, but include distro (version), a brief outline of the steps you took so far, and maybe a few lines on your hardware
15:05<blow_core>I get 10 hits, but I suspect the one you're looking for is this one: /usr/share/mythtv/themes/blue/background.png
15:05<thor>ah, it is there
15:05<thor>what distribution?
15:05<blow_core>I get that image on screen for about a half second before it segfaults and drops me back to my xterm
15:05<blow_core>Debian Unstable
15:06<thor>hmmm
15:06<thor>where's Qt come from (aptget or did you build it yourself) ?
15:07<blow_core>It's from apt-get. (relevant line from dpkg -l) ii libqt3c102 3.1.1-9 Qt Library
15:07<blow_core>And I have the -mt of that also
15:08<thor>hmmmm
15:08<blow_core>I tried to build it with just plain old libqt3-mt (3.0.3-20020329), but try as I might, it wouldn't use it.
15:09<thor>anything wonky with your X setup (does it do Alpha blending ok)?
15:09<thor>... I'm really grasping at straws ...
15:10<blow_core>Uhhh ... Not sure what you mean there (I don't pretend to understand the beast that is X). I am using nVidia's driver though, if that makes a difference.
15:11<thor>nVidia binary drivers (from nVidia)
15:11<thor>?
15:11<blow_core>Yeah. So the TV out works.
15:11<thor>hmmm
15:11<thor>you got RenderACCel on in your XF86Config ?
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15:12<thor>never mind
15:12<thor>that wouldn't make a difference
15:12<blow_core>Yes, but it's commented
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15:13<thor>... I'd go the mailing list route ... odd that you're having problems with *setup* ....
15:13<thor>but I can't figure out what's wrong
15:15<blow_core>Well, I do appreciate you looking at it for me. I spent the better part of the weekend trying to make it work, all to no avail. It's a pretty plain jane setup. I installed the debian base. Added the mythtv lines to my sources file. Did an apt-get update; apt-get install mythtv; and this is where I've been since :(
15:16<blow_core>I really want to make it work though. It looks *really* slick. My compliments (and thanks) to the developers :)
15:16<thor>can't find that function in util.cpp anymore ... hang on a sec
15:16<blow_core>Alrighty.
15:21<blow_core>On a side note -- Does anyone know if mythtv will build/run on a FreeBSD machine?
15:22<thor>sorry ... this is a mystery to me ... I'd suspect Qt (3.1.1 didn't last long) .... but I don't really know.
15:22<thor>someone on the mailing list can probably figure it out
15:22<thor>and/or people with better knowledge than I may catch this on a scrollback
15:23<blow_core>Cool. Thanks again for the help. I'll leave my client connected, but the boss is more or less forcing me to go take lunch now. I'll post to -dev and check back here in a little while.
15:35<just1nux>sorry for asking here, but ivtv-dev is like talking to...uhm well no one. can test_ioctl change the channel with a channel number? -r tuner=03 or freq=03 doesnt seem to do it.
15:42<vektor>one wouldn't think so, since the driver has no idea about number->frequency mappings
15:42<vektor>that's a userspace thing
15:42<vektor>well, it's a user thing even more so :)
15:42<just1nux>ok thanks.
15:42<vektor>so an app called 'test_ioctl' just sounds wrong for the task.
15:43<just1nux>well, sound keeps going away with myth changing the inputs, thought if i could use that to tune externally i could avoid the problem.
15:44<vektor>you mean changing the channel, or changing the 'input'?
15:45<just1nux>i know how to get test_ioctl to change inputs, but once you put a script to run on change of channel myth assumes that the script is changing it.
15:45<Chutt>just1nux, that won't fix things
15:46<just1nux>well, actually it did, just gets stuck on the same channel
15:47<just1nux>im making it switch inputs back and forth. then the sound returns
15:47<Chutt>ah
15:47<just1nux>one more line to change the channel and id have a workaround.
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16:10<just1nux>chutt: i figured it out. my workaround works. channel#*16 equals frequency. Found a post on the myth list from someone in the netherlands that helped.
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16:51<thor>I'm Chris Petersen feels like I did when I submitted my first palylists stuff =)
16:51<thor>I'm guessing
16:51<Chutt>heh
16:52<Chutt>i'm just commenting on bugs
16:53<thor>yeah ... but I'm sitting there like a wet puppy waiting for approval ... and "combo box sucks, don't do it like that, I can't nest a playlist, the graphics look crappy .... but that RemoteLineEdit thing is nice"
16:54<Chutt>hmm
16:54<Chutt>i can probably swing animations and stuff for parts of the menu that aren't getting blended
16:55<thor>surely not flash ?
16:55<Chutt>but anything more would be hard
16:55<Chutt>well, just looking at qt's support for .mngs
16:55<thor>UIType's with internal timers?
16:55<thor>UITypeAnimatedButton->setMovie(blah)
16:55<Chutt>but the alpha blending for stuff would kill performance
16:56<thor>hmmm ....
16:57<thor>no backgrounds with Alpha, buttons on backgrounds ? (write the theme on purpose to not do Alpha loading)
16:57<Chutt>no, blending stuff like the buttons onto a moving background
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16:57<Chutt>or i guess the buttons themselves, if they were being blended
16:57<thor>oh ... yeah ... user option?
16:57<Chutt>eh
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16:57<Chutt>i can't imagine it being fast anywhere
16:58<thor>hmmm
16:58<thor>but why moving backgrounds ... I would think people would want little animated buttons and what not
16:59<thor>maybe some transition effects
16:59<thor>I dunno
16:59<just1nux>doesnt sound like .mngs would really be worth the effort
17:00<just1nux>can it handle a video mpg background like the osd?
17:00<Chutt>no
17:00<Chutt>could be made to, i suppose
17:01<just1nux>thats all a dvd menu is...
17:01<just1nux>that and mpg transitions between each screen
17:01<Peit|Home>Chutt: problem solved, (my ivtv problem), capture size was set out of range!
17:01<Chutt>heh
17:01<Peit|Home>Chutt: don't i feel like a twit
17:02<Peit|Home>now all i have to do is get sound working again
17:02<thor>Anybody have a Tivo ... what's animated there ?
17:03<thor>(or a Replay ... or an MS XP<->HTPC)?
17:03<just1nux>well i can tell you that replay isnt animated at all. i think tivo might just be the background
17:03<just1nux>Microsofts is majorly 3d animated
17:04<just1nux>type and graphics zomming inj and out and moving all around
17:04<thor>like the interface is in a GL space ?
17:04<just1nux>gotta be all vector based
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17:05<just1nux>sound would also be nice, for immediate feedback , and ambiance etc
17:05<Chutt>sound would be relatively easy
17:06<just1nux>tivo uses sounds replay does not
17:06<just1nux>microsoft does as well
17:06<thor>a little "tink" on a button press would be sweet ...
17:07<Chutt>only thing there is worrying about multiple sounds playing back at once
17:07<thor>yup
17:07<Chutt>but i could write up a little thing to do all that
17:08<thor>when I was themeing mmusic, I "discovered" that my sound card could mix multiple opens =)
17:08<Chutt>heh
17:08<Chutt>most can't, though
17:08<thor>nope
17:08<vektor>When that jkolb guy comes back, I need to talk to him. I found out the problem. :/
17:08<vektor>It's not pretty.
17:09<Chutt>what's the issue?
17:09<vektor>The i810 spins if you draw faster than the refresh rate.
17:09<Chutt>ah
17:09<Chutt>he did say that mythtv was back down to 3% cpu displaying video
17:09<thor>"spins" ?
17:09<Chutt>busy waits
17:09<vektor>It cannot program the next frame until the last one you sent completes.
17:09<vektor>So it busy waits.
17:10<thor>ah
17:10<Chutt>while (1) ;
17:10<Chutt>=)
17:10<vektor>mythtv won't draw faster.
17:10<Chutt>right, it doesn't attempt to
17:10<vektor>But tvtime draws right at 59.94hz, which is exactly what he's set to.
17:10<vektor>So something is fucked up ther.e
17:10<Chutt>so does mythtv :p
17:10<vektor>erm.. it does?
17:10<Chutt>'least it tries to
17:10<Chutt>most of the time, yeah
17:11<Chutt>it's a setting
17:11<vektor>chutt, very interesting post my mark vojkovich
17:11<vektor>i was asking for triple buffering in the NVIDIA driver
17:11<Chutt>url?
17:11<vektor>looking to see if it's in the archives yet
17:12<vektor>it's not :) let me post it
17:13<vektor>http://vektor.ca/nvidia-buffers.txt
17:14<Chutt>that's only pertinant to the nv driver, though, right?
17:15<vektor>and NVIDIA i'd think
17:16<Chutt>i certainly don't get any tearing with the nvidia driver
17:16<Chutt>even if i send it stuff too fast =)
17:23<Peit|Home>Chutt: are you getting two copies of all ivtv-dev maillings?
17:23<Peit|Home>Chutt: ignore
17:23<Chutt>yes
17:23<Chutt>from that dumbass
17:23<Chutt>since he's sending two
17:23<Chutt>:p
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17:31<vektor>Chutt: are you sure you're not seeing tearing?
17:31<vektor>you should see tearing if you draw faster than the refresh
17:31<Chutt>i am absolutey certainly positive.
17:31<Chutt>there is 0 tearing.
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17:32<Chutt>if i use the 'video blitter' port, i get tearing
17:32<Chutt>if i use the 'video overlay' port, like you're supposed to, no tearing
17:32<vektor>oh, read the message again
17:32<vektor>it draws into the queued buffer
17:32<vektor>so it will only tear if you flip to the new buffer while it's being writte
17:32<vektor>n
17:32<vektor>see?
17:32<Chutt>right.
17:33<vektor>so it can tear, but you have to be really fast. :)
17:33<vektor>since you're getting such good performance, you won't see tearing even though you're blitting much faster.
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17:33<vektor>until you go really, really fast.
17:33<vektor>jkolb: figured out your problem.
17:33<jkolb>Yay!
17:33<Chutt>vektor, read what i just said
17:33<vektor>well, i didn't figure it out, i got told.
17:33<jkolb>Good enough for me.
17:33<vektor>Chutt: you said you get no tearing if you use the overlay.
17:34<vektor>i am talking about the overlay.
17:34<Chutt>and i do get tearing if i use the blitter
17:34<vektor>of course since that's single buffered
17:34<vektor>so ignore that.
17:34<vektor>the blitter just does that, blits directly to the framebuffer.
17:34<Chutt>right.
17:34<vektor>the overlay double buffers, but can still tear.
17:34<vektor>if you draw way too fast
17:34<Chutt>i've done that :p
17:34<Chutt>no tearing
17:34<vektor>you have insane performance.
17:35<Chutt>i've got a one year old computer
17:35<vektor>because you'd need to be _inside_ a call to XvShmPutImage when it flips.
17:35<Chutt>i don't see how that can be 'insane' :p
17:35<vektor>well should i post and say 'wtf mark, we see no tearing'?
17:35<Chutt>he's talking about the nv driver
17:36<vektor>i disbelieve but i'll ask.
17:36<Chutt>how do you know the nvidia driver doesn't wait for the buffer to clear?
17:36<Chutt>or queue it up?
17:36<vektor>i'll ask now, but i thought it was implied.
17:36<Chutt>i've just never seen any tearing at all with the overlay
17:37<Chutt>you'd think i would, just on occasion
17:37<Chutt>if it were any other way
17:37<Chutt>vagaries of timing, etc
17:37<Chutt>i've never used the nv driver, though
17:37<vektor>i posted.
17:38<just1nux>I agree with Chutt, never seen tearing on overlay with the nvidia driver.
17:38<vektor>yeah and how many 80fps videos do you have
17:38<vektor>or 100fps
17:39<Chutt>heh
17:39<vektor>remember this only happens when you draw way faster than the refresh rate.
17:39<Chutt>see, i've done that though
17:39<Chutt>by accident, mostly =)
17:39<vektor>i know that's why i posted
17:40<jkolb>The anticipation is killing me here, vektor...
17:40<vektor>jkolb: oh, sorry.
17:40<Chutt>jkolb, oh, it just busywaits if sent data faster than the refresh rate
17:40<vektor>jkolb: the i810 driver spins until the next refresh if you draw faster than the refresh rate.
17:40<jkolb>Ah.
17:40<vektor>so since you're at 60hz, you're capped at 60fps
17:40<jkolb>I figured it'd be something like that.
17:40<Chutt>which should be rather nice for smoothness of playback
17:41<vektor>well i'm concerned about tvtime.
17:41<vektor>like, i'm concerned it can get into loops where it's always busy waiting.
17:42<jkolb>Of course, that doesn't really explain why it dropped below 60fps when myth started using a bit of the CPU.
17:42<vektor>well i'm just worried that if mythtv ever decides to draw like 5 frames consecutively by accident, it will use a ton of cpu
17:42<jkolb>If most of its time is spent spinlocking, I should just see 60fps until there's a significant amount of load on the system, shouldn't I?
17:42<vektor>and then you might get into some weird loop
17:43<Peit|Home>"IOBOUND - blocking in ThreadedFileWriter::Write()" <-- I presume i need to tweak the storage if i'm getting that message
17:51<blow_core>Chutt: I posted that backtrace you mentioned earlier to the -dev mailing list, if you're curious.
17:52<Chutt>peit|home, generally means it can't write fast enough to the disk, yeah
17:53<Chutt>blow_core, i haven't seen it.
17:54<blow_core>I sent it off about 10 minutes ago. I suppose it may take a little while. It's also here: http://www.k-labs.com/typescript
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17:55<blow_core>thor looked at it. He said you would know.
17:55<Chutt>heh
17:55<Chutt>do you mind trying cvs?
17:56<Chutt>the code where it crashed doesn't exist anymore.
17:56<Peit|Home>Chutt: hmm, ok. bah, i hate NFS
17:56<blow_core>Ah, I see. Sure. I can try that. It may take me a while to follow up. I'm in the sticks on crappy dialup.
17:56<Chutt>heh
17:56<Chutt>no worries
17:57<Peit|Home>Chutt: is it possible to change the write size, (blocks/K) that mythtv tries to write in one go?
17:57<Chutt>not easily
17:57<Chutt>but, yeah, sure
17:57<Chutt>libs/libmythtv/RingBuffer.cpp
17:58<Chutt>top couple hundred lines are the writer thread
17:58<Peit|Home>so it's not tweakable via gui.. o.k
17:59<Chutt>right
18:00<Peit|Home>full 100meg switched network should be able to handle a full size PAL mpeg2 stream, surely
18:00<Chutt>it does
18:01<Chutt>a number of people record to a nfs mount
18:01<Peit|Home>must be a problem on my network then.,..
18:01<Peit|Home>yet again, something that was working before i went away for the weekend
18:07<Peit|Home>right, it's an NFS issue, if i record ot local disk, i can stream the recording over the network fine
18:08<Peit|Home>bnokers
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18:24<poptix>i not only record to nfs, my ringbuffer is on an nfs mount
18:43<Peit|Home>poptix: must be something i've missed then
18:47<Peit|Home>poptix: what nfs options are you using?
18:48<Peit|Home>25Meg/min is my current transfer, that's pathetic
18:53<blow_core>hat kind of NIC do you have? I had a machine with an onboard via_rhine that was absolutely horrid at network transfers. I put in a PCI 3com and it works like a champ now.
18:53<blow_core>s/^hat/What/
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18:57<poptix>Peit|Home: i can push 40meg/s
18:57<poptix>i'm not using any special nfs options either
18:57<poptix>that 40meg/s is local, not lan
18:58<poptix>across the lan, the max is ~10-11MB/s
18:58<blow_core>Have you tried moving a big file with something like FTP to see if it's as slow as NFS is?
18:59<blow_core>Well, 10-12MB is about as fast as 100mbit will go. If you're getting that, that's all you can ask for.
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19:07<blow_core>You could also try tinkering with the rsize/wsize buffers when you mount the volume. 8192 seems to be a popular value (and may be the default). NFS is not very good at lots of small writes, and the default is 1024.
19:08<blow_core>Woops. I guess I should have edited that before I hit enter. 1024 is the default size. The man page says 8192 " ... will make your nfs connection much faster than with the default buffer size of 1024."
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19:36<blow_core>thor & Chutt: Well, I am SSH'd into the media box from the office, but I don't get a segfault anymore on the CVS code. Looks like whatever it was, CVS fixed.
19:36<paulproteus|lapt>Is there a way in MythMusic to jump to a particular song by typing in part of its name?
19:36<paulproteus|lapt>And/or, is that in the TODO?
19:37<blow_core>Yup. Called the wife and she said it's displaying the config menu. I should know by now that if you want the best stuff, you have to run CVS. Thanks again for the help guys. :)
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19:42<extremis>hello
19:42<extremis>Gadzooks! I can't open the program table.
19:42<extremis>heh, I've read the mailing lists and people have indicated that flushing the db and rerunning mythfilldatabase will solve it... hrm... doesn't seem to
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19:44<Chutt>extremis, i've had that when i filled up my /var
19:45<Chutt>but, really, if recording still doesn't work, i want a dump of your database
19:46<extremis>Chutt: I've dropped my db
19:46<extremis>several times
19:47<extremis>I can' however send you what I have currently
19:47<extremis>can
19:48<extremis>I'm dumping now
19:50<vektor>Chutt: Mark says the NVIDIA driver does #3.
19:52<vektor>i.e., tears if you draw to fast and a refresh occurs while drawing
19:53<Chutt>i've still never seen it do that =)
19:54<vektor>sure, well but your blits are so fast :)
19:54<vektor>you get like what 320MB/sec?
19:54<Chutt>something obscene
19:54<vektor>so what, there's like a 1ms window ?
19:54<vektor>maybe less?
19:54<Chutt>extremis, i'll look at it in a bit
19:55<extremis>Chutt: thank you
19:55<extremis>I'm going to read some more about mythweb
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19:56<vektor>bbeattie: some ppl were asking for you on avsforum :)
19:57<bbeattie>Chutt: HDTV functionality is working now in mythtv. There's still some issues with it taking 15 seconds before live-tv starts showing the image, and seeking issues, but it works.
19:57<vektor>bbeattie: in the "HDTV Linux card being released in august" thread
19:57<bbeattie>asking for me? on the sound card or video card stuff?
19:57<bbeattie>.. havn't seen that tread.
19:57<vektor>"Perhaps Brandon can stop by and confirm the Linux compatible card / MythTV integration."
19:58<Chutt>heh
19:58<Chutt>bbeattie, got any patches? =0
19:58<Chutt>and, i can probably improve startup time a little
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19:59<bbeattie>wtf, how'd people even know I was on avsforums, or put 2 and 2 together.. :-/
19:59<Chutt>heh
19:59<bbeattie>Chutt: I'm merging the latest cvs now,
20:00<tdb30_>what does it mean when I get a message unable to write to client socket as its no longer there?
20:00<Chutt>means the client socket left before the backend could respond
20:00<Chutt>bbiab.
20:00<bbeattie>there's also channel issues that I'm working with the car designer on. HDTV's scan all channels and if they get an HDTV channel 42, they read the signal and get "Channel 7" and then the user can select "Channel 7" but it really maps to channel 42, his driver doesn't do this and it leaves a big gap in channel code
20:06<extremis>bbeattie: what kind of network can this hdtv card connect to?
20:06<extremis>ota, sat, tere?
20:09<bbeattie>terrestrial
20:10<bbeattie>over-the-air also.
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20:10<extremis>ahh, too bad, I currently have dishnet
20:12<bbeattie>basically anything that you can are receiving HDTV channels over normal rg video cable.
20:16<extremis>hrm sat uses 8psk encoding
20:16<extremis>for hdtv
20:24<bbeattie>I've only seen 8, havn't seen 16 anywhere yet.
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20:55<Chutt>kick ass
20:55<Chutt>top story on /.
20:56<thor>DirectFB
20:56<thor>?
20:56<Chutt>yeah
20:56<Chutt>qt port to it =)
20:56<Chutt>i'll have to get mythtv running on it
20:56<thor>yeah
20:56<Chutt>shouldn't be difficult
20:56<thor>nope
20:57<Chutt>write a little directfb video output class
20:57<rkulagow___>rkulagow
20:57<Chutt>or sdl
20:57<Chutt>rkulagow, you missed your /nick =)
20:57<thor>hmmm ... mplayer/xine/ogle for DirectFB ?
20:58<thor>QMovie here we come
20:59<Chutt>heh
20:59<Chutt>Donwload
20:59<Chutt>from the website
20:59<thor>Qt ?
20:59<Chutt>yeah, from the qt on directfb website
21:00<thor>20.8 KB/sec
21:00<Chutt>heh
21:01<Chutt>i'll look at it over the weekend probably
21:01<thor>and dropping
21:01<Chutt>since i already had it working on qt/e, shouldn't be much of a problem
21:01<thor>what, on a Zauraus ?
21:01<Chutt>no, there's a qvfb
21:02<Chutt>application
21:02<thor>ah
21:02<Chutt>that makes a virtual framebuffer on your X desktop
21:02<thor>DirectFB "drivers" ... alpha blender ... hw video blit ?
21:03<thor>slower, no?
21:03<Chutt>possibly
21:03<thor>simpler though
21:03<Chutt>i dunno
21:03<Chutt>well, it's an answer to those silly people that don't want to run X =)
21:03<Chutt>bbiab, gotta reboot this machine
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21:07<extremis>Chutt: the mythweb problem was due to /tmp not being writable
21:07<extremis>I confirmed it by executing the sql command at console
21:07<extremis>anyways, mythbackend is crashing now with: "invalid cardid -1
21:07<extremis>"
21:08<bbeattie>chutt: what is prefered way of adding the HDTV support?
21:08<bbeattie>patch, cvs commit, other?
21:08<thor>he's offline atm
21:15<extremis>What I don't understand is that my only defined cardinput has a cardid of 1
21:15<extremis>not -1
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21:20<bbeattie>Chutt: how would you like the the HDTV code merged? by way of CVS, patch, or other?
21:21<Chutt>patch
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21:27<bbeattie>Anyone know if QDateTime utcdt = QDateTime::currentDateTime(Qt::UTC); in the filldata.cpp frmo mythfilldatabase is a qt3 call? that addition in cvs causes a build to fail.
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21:31<thor>it's in 3.1.2, but not 3.0.7 ... I suspect it's a 3.1.x and later feature
21:32<bbeattie>thor: is mythtv still going to stay compatible with older versions of QT?
21:32<thor>as far as I know ...
21:32<thor>little things like that are usually #ifdef'd with a version check
21:33<thor>you can just rip out the Qt::UTC argument and it should work
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21:33<bbeattie>thor: do I need to submit a bug, or how should this be fixed?
21:33<thor>ask Chutt, he's back ...
21:33<Chutt>hm?
21:33<thor>Qt 3.1.x 'ism in CVS
21:34<Chutt>ah
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21:34<Chutt>what?
21:34<bbeattie>in the filldata.cpp, the QDateTime utcdt = QDateTime::currentDateTime(Qt::UTC); and 2 lines down are incompatible with older versions of QT
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21:35<Chutt>ah.
21:35<Chutt>hm
21:35<bbeattie>removing the Qt::UTC as thor said fixes the problem, (with compiling)
21:35<Chutt>it doesn't do the right thing, though.
21:46<bbeattie>Chutt: There's a good chance, that even in a couple weeks when the card is released, I won't have the code working perfectly, and in fact, it probably won't be able to seek, and could cause segfaults. If this is the case, would you still consider the patch? I'm not the best programmer, but it atleast is recarding and able to do live-tv somewhat.
21:47<Chutt>sure
21:47<Chutt>as long as it doesn't break anything else
21:47<Chutt>i'll be happy to merge stuff in whenever you send it to me
21:47<bbeattie>recording.. (And just an fyi.. I get nothing about of what I'm doing, and will be returning the card and having to buy one at full price. I just got to voluneteer to do some work on mythtv when I explained how the creator would want it to be supported, and he didn't have time.
21:48<bbeattie>:-/
21:49<bbeattie>I'm glad to help out, that's the only reason I'm doing this. I do appreciate what you and others have done so far, and am glad I can help where I can.
21:50<bbeattie>I'm also hoping that when people get the card, they'll do their part to improve the code. ;)
21:50<Chutt>heh
21:50<Chutt>well, cool.
21:57<poptix>hey Chutt, did that DVB code ever make it into CVS?
21:57<Chutt>what dvb code?
21:57<Chutt>the original stuff?
21:57<Chutt>yeah, but it's mostly broken.
21:57<poptix>no idea
21:57<poptix>hmm, okay
21:57<poptix>someone in my LUG wanted to know about satellite+mythtv
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22:04<tdb30_>is there anything in the display that can indicate the show is being recorded?
22:04<tdb30_>like maybe a red dot in the info box?
22:04<Chutt>should be yellow in the watch programs screen
22:05<Chutt>rkulagow, want a docs resync?
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23:11<bbeattie>2 hours of live-tv without locks, segfaults, or errors! ;)
23:18<tdb30_>:qhow did you do it bbeattie?
23:18<Chutt>that's normal for most people :p
23:18<Chutt>though, with other cards, of course
23:19<tdb30_>I realy like mythtv. I'm puting up with the crashing hoping I stumble upon why its messed up.
23:19<tdb30_>I search the web daily and come up with 2 or 3 things to try a day
23:22<bbeattie>tdb30_: I'm not using a normal card, and had to write support for the card.. what are your problems? I'll see if I can help.
23:22<tdb30_>just system freezes, the occasional oops, and segfaults :)
23:25<bbeattie>are you using an nvidia card?
23:25<tdb30_>yup
23:26<bbeattie>what card, and nvidia driver version?
23:26<bbeattie>and xfree version?
23:27<tdb30_>4.3
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23:27<tdb30_>let me get the specifis
23:27<Chutt>make sure everything's not on the same irq.
23:27<Chutt>etc
23:28<bahadunn>how do I get tv out to work on a geforce 2 mx 400 64 mb ram card?
23:28<tdb30_>nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 440] (rev a3)
23:28<bahadunn>the console screen is all weird
23:28<tdb30_>00:0d
23:28<bahadunn>half the screen is on the top and half on the bottom
23:28<bahadunn>tux is on the bottom and he should be on the top
23:28<bahadunn>and x wont work
23:29<bbeattie>bahadunn: sounds like a memory problem on the card, does it work fine in windows, or has it before?
23:29<bahadunn>yes
23:29<Chutt>bahadunn, use the nvidia driver?
23:29<bahadunn>it works fine in windows
23:29<bahadunn>I am
23:29<bahadunn>I am using the nvidia driver
23:29<bahadunn>in x that is
23:29<bahadunn>when I say start x I get a blank screen
23:29<tdb30_>XFree86 Version 4.3.0
23:29<Chutt>then boot with the tv out the only thing connected to the machine
23:29<tdb30_>Release Date: 27 February 2003
23:29<bbeattie>buhadunn: #nvidia is probably going to be more helpful for that.
23:29<tdb30_>X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 6.6
23:29<Chutt>and it just works.
23:29<bahadunn>k
23:30<tdb30_>nv version 4363
23:30<bbeattie>tdb30_: I'm not sure then, you have close to the latest, .. :-/
23:30<bahadunn>I am using the latest nvidia drivers
23:36<bbeattie>Chutt: should all channel setting be done in the channel.cpp? I;'ve been setting the freq ioctl as a hardcoded channel in my hdtvrecorder.cpp, but now I'm ready to use channels set/given inside of myth,
23:37<Chutt>well
23:37<bbeattie>.. but if I don't set them myself, mythfrontend exits -1 on the avformat err,
23:37<Chutt>does the card do the channels like v4l?
23:37<bbeattie>could be freqency mismatches between hdtv and ntsc, but hdtv uses uhf frequencies.
23:37<Chutt>you may want to make a hdtvchannel.cpp
23:37<Chutt>i dunno
23:40<bbeattie>What I have to do to get things to work, is call a ioctl(chanfd,VIDIOCSFREQ,&freq), where freq = ((639250/10)*16)/100; , which 639250 is the frequency for channel 42
23:42<bbeattie>in your mpegrecorder code, you create a v4l2 format struct of vmft, memset it to 0, an (ioctl(chanfd, VIDIOC_G_FMT, &vfmt) < 0) , then another ioctl with VIDIOC_S_FMT, and you're done.
23:42<Chutt>right
23:42<Chutt>the initial channel should be set in channel.cpp
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23:44<bbeattie>so you read it off the card, and reset it? (I don't understand how that helps/what it does)
23:45<Chutt>all i'm doing in that bit of code is setting the width/height of the capture
23:46<blow_core>Thanks to thor and Chutt, I now have a working setup. I have a new problem though, for when (if) you feel like hearing about it.
23:46<bbeattie>Chutt: right.. that's what I thought it may have been doing, so basically this comes down to channel freqency mismatches probably.. Thanks That helps.
23:48<bbeattie>SO to make sure, removing that code shouldn't effect anything, if I don't need to set width/height?
23:48<Chutt>right
23:50<blow_core>Nevermind. Back to google. It's not just Myth that has the issue. If someone knows where to start looking for what would make a sound card loop on the initial sample it gets though, I'm all ears.
23:51<Chutt>heh
23:51<Chutt>no idea
23:52<blow_core>I know what would fix it -- a real sound card. Unfortunately though, that's not going to happen as all my card slots are full.
23:52<blow_core>er, PCI slots
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