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00:07<robertj>it's not really saying anything
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02:23<mdz>robertj: that error is harmless; ignore it
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03:03<jhurliman>Chutt: import recordings patch almost done, doing some debugging/profiling
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03:51<Timon>just1nux: Are you done with the visor osd theme?
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04:32<jhurliman>i hate e-mail :(
04:33<jhurliman>for some reason i can't send mail from my local machine, my college smtp server doesn't allow relaying even with logins, my paid server wont let me log into smtp (i need to call), and my free account that it always worked with goes offline 50% of the time
04:34<jhurliman>what is the easiest and most lightweight smtp server recommended for gentoo?
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08:44* yebyencompiles mythmusic
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13:47<hadees>anyone ever program anything with winelib?
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14:29<robertj>does .10 support alsa or is that cvs only?
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14:40<newbie>everyone here have Myth TV running?
14:41<sfr>what do you think? no, we run freevo of course, ;-)
14:42<newbie>I was just wondering if this is a good place to go to ask a question or two about getting it up and running
14:42<sfr>shure it is
14:43<newbie>well, I've spent about 3 days straight working on it, and I'm very close I think, but I can't get the frontend to connect to the backend
14:43<newbie>I was wondering if there is a log somewhere to show if the backend is really even running
14:44<sfr>it sure is running if you start it by hand.
14:44<newbie>I run it, and it acts like it's running, but I see no reason the front end shouldn't be able to connect to it if it is running
14:44<newbie>I'm running them both on the same system, using local host ip
14:45<newbie>I look in the process viewer in Mandrake 9.1 but I don't see any Myth TV service running
14:45<robertj>what do I need to do to get myth to play nice with alsa?
14:45<sfr>newbie, you did read the FAQ (sec. 9) ?
14:46<newbie>yeah, I've read it all several times, I'
14:46<newbie>ve even printed a hard copy
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14:47<sfr>newbie, not even mythfrontend?
14:47<newbie>what do you mean, shows up in process viewer?
14:48<sfr>newbie, yes
14:48<newbie>yes it shows up
14:48<newbie>just checked to make sure
14:49<newbie>the backend says this when I run it.....
14:49<newbie>Starting up as the master server.
14:49<newbie>Probed: /dev/video - Television
14:49<newbie>Probed: /dev/video - Composite1
14:49<newbie>open lockfile: Success
14:49<newbie>and that's it
14:50<robertj>anyone here using myth with alsa?
14:50<newbie>does the mythbackend keep a server log somewhere, I couldn't find it if it does
14:51<jkolb>robertj: I did for a while, but it was a bit flaky IIRC, and since mythmusic didn't support it, it seemed sorta pointless.
14:51<Timon>Anyone have a local copy of the transcode file? I'm getting like 1.7k/s
14:52<Timon>newbie: You can tell it to create log file. do mythbackend --help
14:52<newbie>ok thanks
14:52<sfr>newbie, looks ok whats your masterserverport set to?
14:52<newbie>6543
14:52<sfr>newbie + MasterServerIP
14:53<newbie>127.0.0.1
14:53<newbie>I didn't change any IP settings since the master backend is on localhost
14:54<jkolb>Timon: The transcode file?
14:54<newbie>is -p to make it write to a log file? (Write PID of mythbackend to filename)
14:54<sfr>newbie what does the frontend say if you try to start e.g. livetv
14:54<newbie>says, "connecting to backend server: 127.0.0.1:6543
14:54<newbie>Could not connect to backend server
14:55<sfr>newbie server port & master server port is set to 6543, status port is 6544?
14:56<newbie>yes, I believe so, however, I will double check
14:56<Timon>jkolb: transcode-0.6.8.tar.gz
14:56<sfr>newbie 127.0.0.1 is set for hostname & for master server IP address?
14:56<newbie>yes, status port is 6544
14:56<newbie>yes
14:57<newbie>ping localhost = 127.0.0.1
14:57<jkolb>Timon: No, sorry.
14:58<sfr>newbie, did you setup mysql properly?
14:58<mikegrb>Timon: me sorry too, just checked
14:58<newbie>yes, I believe so
14:59<newbie>mythfilldatabase runs and finishes
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15:00<sfr>newbie, can you run the program guide? 'mythepg'
15:00<sfr>newbie, quit the frontend and just type mythepg to start it.
15:03<newbie>yes
15:04<newbie>however, it appears to be empty
15:04<newbie>it shouldn't be, as mythfilldatabase completed successfully
15:04<sfr>newbie, no channels are displayed and/or no program data?
15:05<newbie>no, neither
15:05<sfr>newbie, doesn't really sound 'successfully'
15:06<sfr>newbie, can you change the ip address from 127.0.0.1 to the one of eth0, but both settings!
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15:07<newbie>that's a good idea, I'll try that
15:08<sfr>mikegrb, btw you compiled mythtv from source? what version?
15:08<sfr>mikegrb, sorry was meant for newbie
15:08<mikegrb>heh np
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15:11<newbie>well, that got me connected, but when I went to watch TV the screen went black and I couldn't get out
15:11<newbie>that's for the tip though, I'm back on track
15:12<newbie>that's = thanks
15:12<sfr>newbie, ok back to the FAQ for this problem :-), sounds like you have a problem with your networking setup
15:12<newbie>getting too excited now I guess :)
15:13<jkolb>I think a misconfigured sound device can cause that.
15:14<sfr>newbie, jkolb is right.
15:14<newbie>I'm just so happy the frontend is connecting to the backend now, I've been pulling my hair out for over a day now
15:14<newbie>yeah, that sounds like a good place to start on the next prob :)
15:15<newbie>I've got a ton of work to do getting devices setup, I've got my TV Wonder working, but have yet to compile the beta driver for my WINTV PVR 250
15:15<newbie>I sure appreciate the help though
15:16<sfr>newbie, is that a ATI TV wonder ? check the faq, but some ATI tv cards are not supported.
15:16<newbie>yes, the VE (value edition)
15:17<sfr>newbie search the ml archives for more
15:19<newbie>I'll tell ya what, getting MythTV up has taught me a lot about Linux, that's for sure.... I think I'll setup another Linux box once I get this running
15:21<robertj>Im about stumped with Alsa though
15:21<robertj>and my card won't work under oss
15:21<jkolb>robertj: What about it?
15:21<robertj>jkolb: well right now alsaplayer wont play, but alsamixer shows things are ok
15:21<robertj>also I get sound in kde whenever arts is not running...
15:21<robertj>but if it is running I don't
15:22<jkolb>That's ... odd.
15:23<newbie>ah cool, a control c got me out, and you were indeed correct, it's an audio problem, no such device
15:24<jkolb>robertj: What sort of card is it?
15:24<robertj>via82xx
15:24<jkolb>I've not had any experience with via myself, but I've heard lots of bad things.
15:25<robertj>RUNNING pipeline
15:25<robertj>arts_init error: can't connect to aRts soundserver
15:25<robertj>pipeline doesn't want to play
15:27<jkolb>Are you sure aRts is running? You can see it in a process list somewhere?
15:27<robertj>doh, actually I meant to use alsa
15:28<robertj>sounds that should play through arts are actually gettnig played in alsa even though arts isn't running
15:28<robertj>im not sure why. And it only plays the first part of the second but plays it a few times
15:29<jkolb>Do you have KDE set up to use alsa instead of aRts? That is an option, isn't it?
15:30<robertj>I guess that's the case
15:30<robertj>but what causes the choppy partial play
15:31<jkolb>I have no idea.
15:31<jkolb>I've never seen that.
15:32<jkolb>I can't even tell you where to start looking. Sorry.
15:33<robertj>ogle plays fine though
15:33* robertjdelvs into the config file to see whats going on there
15:34<robertj>oss
15:35<jkolb>It's using oss?
15:35<robertj>yeah
15:35<jkolb>Um, then why do you want to use alsa with myth?
15:35<robertj>jkolb: whatever works
15:35<robertj>I guess if oss works then oss it is
15:36<robertj>myth says out of free audio buffers
15:37<jkolb>Hm. Search the lists?
15:38<robertj>good grief, this picture is stuning off oggle
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15:40<robertj>and now the sound is gone off of oggle
15:41<jkolb>Ah, intermittent problems.
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15:55<robertj>there is some conversation about running out of audio buffers but I don't seem to fit the mold
16:00<robertj>is mythbackend supposed to run mythfilldatabase?
16:00<jkolb>You're supposed to cron it.
16:01<robertj>I installed the debs, so shouldn't it have run?
16:01<robertj>maby it did
16:01<robertj>it seems to be b0rk
16:02<robertj>----------------- Start of XMLTV output -----------------
16:02<robertj>using config file /root/.mythtv/Comcast OTA.xmltv
16:02<robertj>/usr/bin/tv_grab_na: Config file /root/.mythtv/Comcast OTA.xmltv does not exist, run me with --configure
16:02<jkolb>I have no idea what the debs do when they install.
16:02<jkolb>That does look like it tried to run, though.
16:03<jkolb>You need to run mythfilldatabase as the same user you were when you ran setup.
16:04<sfr>when you use the debs you still need to configure mythtv by running setup (which is myth-setup then i think)
16:06<robertj>jkolb: oh
16:08* sfrwrites faster than i read & understand sometimes
16:10<jkolb>Or you could do what I did, and put all that stuff in /etc/mythtv, then symlink ~/.mythtv to /etc/mythtv for each user you may be while running myth stuff.
16:13<robertj>ahh good idea
16:14<jhurliman>quick question: how can i tell what process is attached to an open port on my computer?
16:15<jkolb>netstat -lp (as root)
16:15<jhurliman>aha thanks
16:16<jhurliman>now to figure out what this 'master' process is
16:16<sfr>jhurliman which port?
16:17<jhurliman>smtp, it has something to do with postfix but i am at a loss trying to send e-mail :(
16:17<jhurliman>it doesnt look like thunderbird supports sendmail directly, so i have to run a localhost smtp server to get reliable e-mail sending
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16:18<sfr>jhurliman ah, but you know mythtv can't send mail ;)
16:18<jhurliman>not for long! j/k
16:19<jhurliman>i've been sitting on this patch for about 12 hours now
16:19<hadees>to read mail?
16:19<jhurliman>while beating my e-mail setup with a club
16:19<sfr>jhurliman you're kidding?
16:20<jhurliman>no, to import recordings, but now that someone mentions it a mythmail would make at least as much sense as a browser launched from myth
16:20<jkolb>jhurliman: Do you just not have a smtp server on localhost?
16:20<hadees>myhtpc has a mail client
16:20<hadees>but thats window$
16:20<jhurliman>jkolb: true. so i just installed postfix, and i dont think its setup right
16:21<robertj>ran out of free AUDIO buffers :-(
16:21<robertj>ahh!
16:21<robertj>what causes this!
16:21<jhurliman>robertj: what version?
16:21<robertj>.10
16:21<jkolb>You have a working smtp server on another machine, though?
16:21<jhurliman>jkolb: no i actually dont have any working smtp anywhere, this is my dilemma
16:21<jkolb>Oh.
16:21<jkolb>Get a hotmail account.
16:21<robertj>jhurliman: any ideas?
16:22<jhurliman>i need to :-\, e-mail is too advanced for me
16:22<jkolb>robertj: Do you have aggressive audio buffering checked in myth's setup or something?
16:22<sfr>jhurliman what is thunderbird? the new mozilla?
16:22<robertj>jkolb: i don't think so
16:22<hadees>a car
16:22<jhurliman>sfr: the new standalone mozilla e-mail client. i like the interface but im about to switch back to evolution for its sendmail support
16:23<jhurliman>robertj: if you are brave enough to run cvs you could try it...
16:23<sfr>and it relies on a local smtp daemon? can't you set it up to use a remote 'smarthost'?
16:23<robertj>should I put the sampling rate down from 48000?
16:24<jhurliman>robertj: yes :)
16:25<Chutt>aggressive audio buffering's been in since 0.7 or so
16:25<jhurliman>sfr: well usually i would use my mail.focustheater.com, but its not authenticating me. the real issue is i need to call my provider and get that fixed but its sunday
16:25<jhurliman>so i thought, hey why dont i just run my own smtp server! that thought was the root of all my problems
16:26<jkolb>I like exim.
16:26<Chutt>people that run their own mail servers are the reason the mailing lists are slow =)
16:26<jhurliman>jkolb: i'll try it thanks
16:26<jhurliman>Chutt: :-( i'll fix it monday!
16:26<Chutt>heh
16:27<jhurliman>Chutt: i finished that import recordings patch, but i realized it opens up a new hole in the stability of myth, importing foreign files
16:28<Chutt>heh
16:28<robertj>Chutt: where is that option at for aggressive audio buffering?
16:28<Chutt>setup->general
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16:33<jhurliman>Chutt: i'm running an old (about a month) cvs version on my "production" myth setup, after about 5-10 minutes watching livetv it starts stuttering and audio drops out, and i get "delaying until next trigger" flooding the console. has this been addressed?
16:33<robertj>do I want aggressive buffering on or off to eliminate out offree AUDIO buffers errors?
16:33<jhurliman>robertj: is it off? try turning it on
16:33<Chutt>that error indicates something else wrong
16:34<Chutt>namely, it's not playing audio fast enough
16:34<jhurliman>hmm, so it's probably a soundcard issue?
16:34<robertj>that did it
16:34<Chutt>potentially
16:34<Chutt>well, if it fixes it, good enough
16:35<Chutt>jhurliman, i've never seen it do that before
16:35<jhurliman>maybe i'll try the aggressive output buffering too
16:35<Chutt>but, always worth a try to updating
16:35<Chutt>heh, broken english!
16:35<jhurliman>yeah im going to try that first
16:41<jhurliman>jkolb: thanks, exim works great
16:41<jkolb>np
16:42<jkolb>It has a really sane conffile format
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16:42<jhurliman>jkolb: and it worked out of the box with default gentoo config :)
16:42<jkolb>I'm not the only one!
16:45<jhurliman>also the new resizing code, is it supposed to popup a progress bar every time you run mythfrontend? it appears to fail creating a blank.png every time
16:46<Chutt>yeah
16:46<Chutt>i need to look into that
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16:53<mattf>i'm trying to install from debs, but it says mythtv depends on mythtv-frontend (0.10-3) but it is not going to be installed, and the same for mythtv-backend
16:53<mattf>Sorry, broken packages
16:53<mattf>and won't install :-\
16:54<mattf>i'm using testing and trying to grab the mythtv debs from unstable
16:54<mattf>(the woody debs wouldn't work either)
16:54<Chutt>there's usually an error message that says why it won't be installing a deb.
16:56<mattf>unmet dependencies
16:56<Chutt>try installing those unmet dependencies.
16:56<sfr>mattf so fix them?
16:58<mattf>ahh i see where the prob is...mythtv-front/backend need a newer vesion of lame
17:03<mattf>ok...also, i can't find any packages for xmltv less than 0.5.15
17:04<mattf>know where i can find a .deb of <= 0.5.14?
17:06<Chutt>0.5.15 works fine.
17:07<mattf>only with cvs i thought?
17:09<robertj>everything is all choppy, does that mean I need to bust out hdparm?
17:09<jhurliman>No such signal MythRemoteLineEdit::textChanged(QString)
17:09<jhurliman>^ huh?
17:10<Timon>Anyone have a copy of transcode-0.6.8.tar.gz locally they can send me?
17:10<jhurliman>(its from my code, but im looking at the mythwidgets.h file and textChanged(QString) is copied straight from there)
17:11<jkolb>Timon: You still haven't finished downloading it?
17:11<Timon>jkolb: No :(
17:11<Timon>I've tried about 10 times. The furthest its gotten is halfway through this last time
17:13<jhurliman>http://ftp.gentoo.or.kr/distfiles/transcode-0.6.8.tar.gz
17:13<jhurliman>gentoo saves the day with its mirrors of everything
17:13<jhurliman>i can download it and send it to you but that site has more bandwidth than i do
17:14<Timon>woot! Your my hero jhurliman
17:14<jhurliman>:-p
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17:38<jhurliman>why is myth only looking in /usr/local/share/mythtv/ instead of /usr/share/mythtv/ ? i deleted /usr/local/share/mythtv and it cant find any of its sqlconfig or themes now
17:42<jhurliman>ln -s fixes it, but weird behavior... im guessing its my system not myth itself though
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18:12<mattf>cool, seems like myth is working now
18:12<mattf>now i need to get the channel changer script working
18:13<mattf>and lirc and stuff
18:13<mattf>:-\
18:13<mattf>is it possible to compile modules like mythvideo if i installed mythtv via debian packags?
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18:16<sfr>mattf if you install the -dev package of mythtv and the module works with the debs version of mythtv then it should work
18:17<mattf>ok
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18:32<mattf>ok...i had xawtv running and i ran ./rca.pl 354 and it worked fine...when trying to change the channel within mythtv, it doesn't work
18:32<mattf>and i used an absolute path (/home/mythtv/scripts/rca.pl) in the external channel changer input, so i don't think it's a path problem
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18:36<mattf>hmm the documentation refers to the "Input Connections in the mythbackend configuration GUI"...did i miss that, or is that just out of date?
18:37<mattf>i thought that was in the mythtv-setup -> Input Connections section?
18:37<mattf>or would that be the same thing
18:40<Timon>mattf: mythtv/setup/setup
18:54<mattf>hmm...i still don't see anythign other than what's in mythtv-setup
18:55<mattf>next question...i just installed mythvideo from source (needed libmyth-0.10-dev and `export QTDIR=/usr/share/qt3/`)
18:55<mattf>but it doesn't show up in the menu
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18:58<mattf>don't know if anyone answered my question...
19:01<Timon>mattf, look in the scroll back buffer, I answered your question
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19:02<mattf>i got disconnected
19:02<Timon>mythtv/setup/setup
19:04<mattf>oh, that...there's nothing there about the external channel change script
19:04<Timon>umm, lemme look
19:06<Timon>mythtv/setup/setup Option 4 Pick your video source, second line down: External change channel command
19:07<mattf>right...that's mythtv-setup -> input connections, as i said before
19:07<mattf>and i set that to /home/mythtv/scripts/rca.pl
19:07<Timon>Ok, so what problem are you having?
19:07<mattf>whenever i try to change channels in myth, it doesn't work
19:08<Timon>have you made sure the script is getting executed?
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19:08<matt_>no, i don't know how to do that
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19:09<Timon>mattf, try doing /home/mythtv/scripts/rca.pl some_channel_number
19:09<Timon>see if that changes the channel
19:10<matt_>i tried that with xawtv running and it works
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19:10<matt_>once i have myth running full screen, is there a way to keep it running but get back to an xterm?
19:10<Timon>alt-tab
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19:13<matt_>doesn't do anything
19:13<matt_>i'm using blackbox
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19:15<Timon>matt_: do you have myth using the same video source as is being changed by the script?
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19:17<matt_>yea...the only video source set up is DirecTV
19:17<matt_>and the script changes the channel on the dtv receiver via the serial port
19:19<Timon>Do you have the directv bound to the correct video input?
19:20<matt_>yep...only one input
19:20<Timon>what input card are you using?
19:20<matt_>an avertv studio. i'm using composite in
19:21<matt_>i only have one card set up, and only one source, and they're bound to each other
19:21<matt_>i can watch tv fine if i use the dtv receiver remote to change channels
19:21<matt_>the video and audio work fine...
19:21<Timon>ok, thats where I was going
19:22<Timon>Don't know what to say. I don't have a setup like that
19:23<matt_>hmm maybe i'll grab cvs
19:24<Timon>what version are you using right now?
19:24<matt_>0.10 (the debs are 0.10-3)
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19:25<matt_>updated jul 22nd, it looks like
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20:07<dcstimm>no topic?
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20:22<robertj>if video is really choppy on a 2 gig Athlon with just viewing live tv and nothing else special going on, what might be a possible cause?
20:23<Timon>what res? What codec? What bitrate?
20:28<robertj>Timon: default settings for debs
20:28<Timon>which are?
20:28<robertj>not sure, let me looksy
20:29<Timon>what speed harddisk? How much memory?
20:30<robertj>5400 rpm 512 megs of 2700 ddr
20:31<robertj>and something funky going on with the soundcard methinks
20:31<Timon>what sc?
20:31<Snow-Man>blah.
20:31<robertj>nasty via embedded stuff
20:32<robertj>get you the # in a second
20:32<robertj>rebooting to clear out nastyness
20:32<Timon>Why not replace it? You can pick up a live fo < 40
20:32<robertj>6 channels, tight on money, blah blah
20:32<Timon>Put it on the credit card
20:33<robertj>no thank you
20:33<Timon>what is the 6th channel? rear center?
20:33<robertj>I guess, I dunno :)
20:33<Timon>heh
20:33<robertj>I'v got a mono tv card ;)
20:33<Timon>haha
20:34<Timon>I had one of those until 3 weeks ago. My old tv was from '89, with only rf input. Now I got a 32' wega :-)
20:35<robertj>34" Toshiba Cinemawide :)
20:35<Timon>And its only mono?
20:35<robertj>my tv card is mono
20:35<Timon>Ahhh, ok
20:35<Timon>I almost bought a 42" hd rear projection. But rear projections look like crap at any other angle than 90 degrees
20:36<robertj>ok
20:36<robertj>default is 480x480
20:36<robertj>rtjpeg at 170 quality
20:36<robertj>3200 sampling rate mp3 quality 7
20:36<Timon>run top while its running, does it hit 100%?
20:37<robertj>44%...36%
20:37<robertj>it gets slower as time goes by
20:37<Timon>Is it still still jerky?
20:37<robertj>right now its smothe with an occasional hitch
20:38<Timon>whats the cpu when it hicups?
20:38<robertj>60%
20:38<robertj>more steady hickupping now
20:38<robertj>really bad, 64% and climbing
20:38<robertj>were in slowmo now
20:39<robertj>51%, still really slow
20:39<Chutt>dma.
20:39<mdz>tvtime: A high quality television application, 243 days in preparation.
20:39<mdz>this is getting out of hand
20:39<Chutt>mdz, hah, still no deb?
20:39<robertj>Chutt: so hdparm?
20:39<mdz>nope
20:39<Chutt>robertj, of course
20:39<mdz>tvtime cannot possibly be so complex that it takes 8 months to package
20:39<Chutt>mdz, what's the holdup?
20:39<Chutt>it's not
20:40<mdz>Chutt: good question
20:40<robertj>what flags should I set?
20:40<Chutt>um, dma
20:40<Chutt>:p
20:40<mdz>robertj: ide0=autotune on the kernel command line
20:40<robertj>mdz: is that he same effect?
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20:41<mdz>well, no, because hdparm lets you specify exactly what parameters you want for each setting
20:41<robertj>ok, using_Dma on, and were in fast motion
20:41<Chutt>don't mess with harddrive settings while you're using it for stuff.
20:41<Chutt>that's a rather bad idea.
20:42<robertj>still getting the jumpyness...
20:42<Chutt>then you've got other system problems.
20:43<robertj>ran out of free AUDIO buffers
20:43<robertj>alternating with audio behind
20:43<Chutt>as i just said, you've got other system problems.
20:43<Chutt>mdz, hey, would you have a chance to test CVS for me?
20:43* robertjgoes off to investigate his sound card
20:44<mdz>Chutt: I was just thinking about it today
20:44<mdz>as trying to unsuppress recordings was crashing the backend
20:44<Chutt>heh
20:44<mdz>#0 0x409cf171 in strncpy () from /lib/libc.so.6
20:44<mdz>#1 0x4074bc2e in QString::sprintf () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
20:44<mdz>#2 0x40731ad3 in QTime::toString () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
20:44<mdz>#3 0x40732294 in QDateTime::toString () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
20:44<mdz>#4 0x080bf63f in ProgramInfo::ToStringList (this=0x84e9cc8, list=@0xbebff9c0)
20:44<Chutt>mdz, i'm just wondering if _maybe_ your sound problem is fixed
20:44<mdz> at programinfo.cpp:116
20:44<mdz>#5 0x0807002a in MainServer::HandleGetPendingRecordings (this=0x844da18,
20:44<mdz> pbs=0x8461100) at mainserver.cpp:899
20:44<mdz>do you ever get those?
20:44<Chutt>nope
20:45<Chutt>if it's easily reproducible while it's not recording, i'd try valgrind on it
20:45<mdz>Chutt: the weird one where it used the wrong audio input?
20:45<Chutt>yeah
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20:45<Chutt>some guy sent in a patch that was preventing it from recording audio on his machine
20:45<Chutt>i dunno, it may be related
20:45<panthar>hola
20:45<Chutt>just some v4l crap
20:46<Chutt>mdz, and i'm also curious to make sure i haven't broken other inputs =)
20:46<mdz>that crash was easily reproducible; I tihnk qt might just suck though
20:46<mdz>or maybe newer qt deals with the breakage more quietly
20:48<robertj>Chutt: i'm showing two mythbackend processess, is that normal or has something gang agry?
20:48<Chutt>threads.
20:48<Chutt>you should have 7 or 8 mythbackend processes.
20:49<mdz>does stuff compile on qt 3.0 at the moment?
20:49<mdz>guess I'll find out soon
20:49<Chutt>yeah
20:49<Chutt>cvs does
20:49<robertj>your right, that was just what was showing up on to
20:49<robertj>err top
20:49<Chutt>really should be using 3.1 at least, though
20:49<Chutt>=)
20:49<Chutt>3.2 was just released recently
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20:50<robertj>Chutt: is there a dummy audio driver that can be probed in for testing?
20:50<Chutt>no.
20:50<matt_>i know i'm a little late for the tv model round off, buuttt... 65" sony :-D
20:50<Timon>matt_: projection, plasma, lcd, crt?
20:50<Chutt>mdz, so you're compiling cvs? =)
20:51<mdz>yep
20:51<Chutt>thanks
20:51<Snow-Man>Figures
20:51<Chutt>i really want to get 0.11 out this week
20:51<Snow-Man>Right after I install the latest debs.
20:51<matt_>rear projection
20:51<Chutt>he's not building debs
20:51<Timon>matt_: What do you think of it? how is the view angle?
20:51<Snow-Man>Well phooey on him. :)
20:51<matt_>i'll tell you when i get it next weekend :-\
20:51<robertj>Chutt: is there a 16x9 setting everything isn't ovular?
20:52<Chutt>ovular?
20:52<robertj>hrmm, wrong word
20:52<Timon>matt_: heh, how much was it?
20:52<robertj>oblong might be better ;)
20:52<Chutt>wrong word? :p
20:52<Chutt>i wasn't aware that was one
20:52<mdz>Chutt: well, I am, but I'm not going to be distributing them :-)
20:52<Chutt>right, of course
20:52<robertj>ovular would be having to do with ovulation ;)
20:53<mdz>might as well start seeding ccache for the release
20:53<Chutt>mdz, anyway, aside from thor's mythdvd stuff, what's in cvs is 0.11
20:53<mdz>oh, yay
20:53<Chutt>and any bugfixes that pop up
20:53<Chutt>i _may_ do a little more minor changes, but..
20:54<Timon>I have a bunch of lcd updates, that thor is going to look over. . .
20:54<Chutt>those can probably go in without too much trouble
20:54* Snow-Manwaits while /etc/cron.daily/mythtv-backend runs.
20:54<matt_>Timon: retail is about $3300, brandsmart has it for $2800 i think?
20:54<robertj>I bought mine used for $1250 when it was selling new in the mid 4's
20:55<Timon>Anyone know when thor gets back?
20:55<robertj>my only complaint is it's lack of 720p
20:55<robertj>but that's really alright because if I had 720p I'd just be complaining about my lack of 720p transcoder ;)
20:56<panthar>warning: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded - this a problem with QT not being nice with mysql?
20:56<mdz>Chutt: I assume the minor changes will include bumping the library version number; doesn't look like that's happened yet
20:56<Chutt>oh yeah
20:56<matt_>this might be more suited for #debian, but...the debs for mythtv (mythtv-backend, actually) install some scripts into logrotate.d, cron.d, init.d, etc. if i'm using cvs, i'll lose all of those. are there any i can use once i start using cvs?
20:56<Chutt>mdz, thanks for the reminder
20:57<panthar>matt_: just copy them to another location\
20:57<panthar>and modify them to work with your CVS install
20:57<mdz>if you're going to do it now; I'll update the packaging and go ahead and test it all
20:57<matt_>ok, wasn't sure if i could just copy them back or if i had to run some commands to install them or anything
20:57<matt_>also, mythvideo from cvs complains about a missing mythtv/inetcomms.h
20:58<panthar>just copy them back, and make sure the paths are OK depending on how you install from CVS
20:58<Chutt>that means you don't have a mythtv from cvs.
20:58<Chutt>mdz, yeah, i'll do that now
20:58<mdz>ok
20:58<matt_>well, i have it, but not installed. i guess that'll resolve itself then
20:59<panthar>ugg
20:59<panthar>still QMYSQL3 error
20:59<Chutt>panthar, read the howto.
20:59<panthar>did
20:59<panthar>have gentoo
20:59<panthar>have mysql
20:59<mdz>Chutt: no more database changes, right? I'd rather not try to re-test the upgrade script once I've done it
20:59<Chutt>you didn't build qt with mysql support
20:59<Chutt>mdz, highly doubtful
21:01<mdz>gah, doc update. this takes forever over cvs
21:01<panthar>ufed must be broken then
21:01<panthar>grrrrr
21:01<panthar>says I have mysql in my USE
21:01<panthar>but make.conf disagrees
21:01<Snow-Man>Need a % done indicator on the database population stuff.
21:02<Chutt>snowman, filldatabase?
21:02<Chutt>there is one, just look at the output :p
21:02<Snow-Man>Whatever is run by the daily cronjob.
21:02<mdz>the cron.daily script uses --quiet by default
21:02<mdz>because I don't like getting mail unless anything goes wrong
21:02<Snow-Man>I tend to agree with that but you have to run it by hand the first time. :)
21:03<Snow-Man>And having output then would be nice.
21:03<mdz>good point; maybe it should just tell you to run mythfilldatabase by hand
21:03<Snow-Man>yea.
21:03<mdz>only it needs to run as mythtv so it's easier to use the script
21:03<mdz>rather than su
21:03<Snow-Man>You can say 'run su mythtv -c "mythfilldatabase"'
21:04<Snow-Man>I dunno maybe people would be stupid.
21:04<Snow-Man>Wish there was a way to do it automatically.
21:05<Snow-Man>You could also have esentially a wrapper around mythfilldatabase to su to the right user before running the real thing, passing in whatever appropriate args.
21:05<Snow-Man>Although, you know..
21:05<Snow-Man>You have to run mythtv-setup as mythtv *anyway*.
21:05<Snow-Man>Now, please run '/etc/cron.daily/mythtv-backend' as root to populate the database
21:05<Snow-Man>with channel information.
21:05<Snow-Man>So there you're saying "go back to being root and then run this cronjob, which just su's right back to mythtv"..
21:06<Chutt>there
21:06<Chutt>all done
21:07<mdz>Snow-Man: actually it's su -s /bin/sh -c mythfilldatabase
21:07<Chutt>mdz, libversion's updated everywhere now
21:07<Snow-Man>su mythtv -c "mythfilldatabase --quiet"
21:07<mdz>I suppose setup could run it automatically
21:07<robertj>Chutt: yeah, something is bad b0rk with my soundcard I think, even mythmusic is choppy. Does mythmusic have a log file?
21:07<Chutt>nope
21:07<mdz>Chutt: building
21:07<Snow-Man>I guess that's run in /bin/sh tho.
21:07<Chutt>there's nothing for it to log
21:07<robertj>oh wait, it's decided to work now
21:07<Snow-Man>mdz: Not 100% sure I like the idea of setup running it automatically.
21:07<mdz>I updated a bit ago though, and saw that libmyth.pro was updated. did you change something after that?
21:08<Snow-Man>mdz: Unless you have it detect if there was actually a change which would affect the channel listing.
21:08<Chutt>mdz, not in mythtv
21:08<mdz>ok
21:08<matt_>umm...i just did a make install from the cvs source, but there's no mythtv-setup binary. what gives?
21:08<mdz>it's not installed
21:08<Chutt>matt, it's called 'setup'
21:08<Chutt>in the setup directory, as talked about in the docs
21:08<matt_>ah, sorry. was used to the debs...
21:09<mdz>the debs are value-added :-)
21:09<Chutt>heh
21:10<Timon>robertj: Get a new sound card :-)
21:10<mdz>I'm thinking about including debug in them
21:10<mdz>since I always end up rebuilding them unstripped for my own use anyway
21:10<mdz>it only makes them 10x bigger or so
21:11<mdz>and more people might send in useful bug reports
21:11<Chutt>hah
21:12<Chutt>unlikely.
21:13<mdz>Chutt: which theme tries to use 'arial'? or was that guy messing things up?
21:14<Chutt>all of em
21:14<Chutt>he had other problems, though
21:14<matt_>robertj: i got an sb live for $30
21:14<mdz>hmm. I never had a problem
21:14<Chutt>as qt definitely falls back to existing fonts
21:14<Chutt>if the requested one doesn't exist.
21:14<matt_>and there are 5.1 cards for like...$12
21:14<mdz>I thought it used freesans
21:14<robertj>hrm, its playing now
21:14<Chutt>for the osd
21:14<robertj>argh!
21:14<mdz>ah
21:14<robertj>i'm just going to be happy and play with mythmusic for a while ;)
21:14<robertj>take a break. lirc is working, everything else is working, good enough for a day
21:15<mdz>lots of patches coming in these days
21:16<Snow-Man>Hrm, that was odd, watching live tv just gave me a blank screen.
21:16<Snow-Man>open: No such file or directory
21:17<Snow-Man>Hrmpf.
21:17<Chutt>snowman, set audio?
21:17<Chutt>mdz, see, that's the bug i'm talking about, where it doesn't set a default for the audio device
21:17<mdz>hmm. that open should say what it's trying to open
21:17<Snow-Man>I could hear audio coming out actually.
21:17<mdz>I'll fix that
21:17<Snow-Man>sfrost@snowman:/home/sfrost> l /data1/sfrost/mythtv/buffers/
21:17<Snow-Man>total 0
21:17<Snow-Man>sfrost@snowman:/home/sfrost>
21:17<Chutt>snowman, nope, you couldn't =)
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21:18<Chutt>that was the tuner pass-through, 'member?
21:18<Chutt>rkulagow, hey, you want a docs update?
21:18<Snow-Man>Yes, I realize it might have been that.
21:18<Snow-Man>QSettings::sync: filename is null/empty
21:18<Snow-Man>That ain't no good.
21:19<Snow-Man>| LiveBufferDir | /data1/sfrost/mythtv/buffers | snowman |
21:19<Chutt>not sure what it's using QSettings for..
21:20<Snow-Man>No setting found for this machine's BackendServerIP.
21:20<mdz>Snow-Man: that's harmless
21:20<Snow-Man>Also got that.
21:20<mdz>along with the /root/.qt stupidity
21:20<mdz>those messages are gone in qt 3.1
21:20<Snow-Man>Alright.
21:20<Snow-Man>That's good to hear.
21:20<Snow-Man>Is the /root/.qt shit gone too? :)
21:21<mdz>yes
21:21<Snow-Man>ok.
21:21<mdz>I think so, anyway
21:22<mdz>yeah, that open was probably from audiooutputoss
21:22<Snow-Man>yea, I was going back to look at that..
21:23<Snow-Man>Hrm, it's set to /dev/dsp..
21:23<matt_>ok, hopefully the last stupid question of the night (from me, at least): the docs say to use mc.sql, but i'm using cvs. does that mean i use cvs.sql instead? in addition?
21:23<Snow-Man>I don't recall having to change that before.
21:23<Chutt>matt, in addition
21:23<matt_>do i have to use -f?
21:23<mdz>Chutt: I don't know what could be going wrong with the audio device
21:23<Chutt>no
21:23<mdz>but I haven't tried it with an empty database in a long time
21:23<Chutt>mdz, i don't either.
21:23<mdz>Snow-Man: AudioDevice set in the database?
21:24<Snow-Man>mdz: No.
21:24<Snow-Man>Is -setup not putting it there unless you change it or something?
21:25<Chutt>it _should_ be set the first time you run mythfrontend.
21:25<mdz>yeah, that's in the frontend, not setup
21:25<Snow-Man>Well, doesn't seem to be I guess..
21:25<matt_>has anyone noticed that unc.dl.sourceforge.net (or whatever it is), the mirror that msttcorefonts tries to install from, is down?
21:25<mdz>maybe it got moved around and the new category wasn't added to mythfrontend/main.cpp
21:26<Snow-Man>Version: 0.10-3
21:26<Snow-Man>Just for reference.
21:26<mdz>ah, yep.
21:26<Snow-Man>So can I just add that myself?
21:26<Chutt>mdz, ooh, that may be it
21:26<mdz>Chutt: yeah, looks like it
21:27<mdz>probably other stuff is missing, too, since it's exactly the same as it used to be
21:27<mdz>and there are new top-level groups
21:27<Snow-Man>Manoj is being excessively annoying about the setuid/setgid stuff.
21:27<Chutt>there, fixed.
21:28<Chutt>well, not in cvs yet, but...
21:28<Snow-Man>I'm amused that I discovered it.
21:28<Chutt>other people have.
21:28<Chutt>i just never bothered to think about it :p
21:28<Snow-Man>Just didn't believe them? :)
21:28<Snow-Man>haha.
21:29<mdz>Snow-Man: manoj is being manoj. one day I will learn not to respond to him when he tries to get under my skin
21:29<Snow-Man>Alright, so, other stuff might be missing too?
21:30<mdz>Snow-Man: you can fix everything by going into each wizard and pressing enter all the way through
21:30<mdz>that's what that code emulates basically
21:30<Snow-Man>Hmmm, ok..
21:30<mdz>fixed those error messages in CVS so they say what it is they were trying to open
21:31<Chutt>oooh
21:31<Chutt>maybe this is it
21:31<Chutt>when i made a threadpool for stuff in the backend
21:31<Chutt>there's some mutex locks
21:31<Chutt>they _could_ be getting locked by one thread and unlocked by another
21:32<Snow-Man>Maybe I'm missing something, each wizard being like mythtv-setup or no?
21:32<Chutt>snowman, each wizard being setup->general
21:32<Chutt>that's the only one you should matter
21:33<Snow-Man>Ah, right, in frontend.
21:33<matt_>hmm it's taking quite a long time to pull channel info after setting up a video source. how do i switch from myth to an xterm to see if xmltv needs input?
21:34<Chutt>alt-tab works in most window managers
21:34<Snow-Man>Damnit, it's still not set..
21:34<Snow-Man>SelectSetting::setValue(): invalid index 2
21:34<Snow-Man>And I got that.
21:34<matt_>that's what i've been trying, but nothing happens. i'm using blackbox, if that matters
21:36<Snow-Man>| AudioOutputDevice | /dev/dsp | snowman |
21:36<Snow-Man>I have that now tho.
21:36<Snow-Man>And it works no, so yay.
21:36<Snow-Man>Well, except the audio is fuxored again.
21:37<Chutt>hm?
21:38<Snow-Man>Stupid stuff probably.
21:38<Snow-Man>Trying to find my kmix window.
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21:38<Snow-Man>Let's see, red button on 'Line' and then mute it, right?
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21:39<Snow-Man>There we go.
21:39<bma>I hear a ghetto tivo in the room
21:39<Snow-Man>haha.
21:39<Snow-Man>Alright, now for mythweb shiat.
21:40<Snow-Man>To show off to the ghetto mythtv in the house. :P
21:40<bma>[09:38PM] <bma> steve616a: I don't do no steekin' windows
21:40<bma>[09:39PM] <steve616a> bma: carry on, anti-microsoft boy.
21:40<bma>:-)
21:40<courtlr>How hard would it be to assign the fine tuning of a channel to one of the F-keys?
21:40<Chutt>courtlr, extremely easy
21:40<Snow-Man>bma: Where's that from?
21:40<bma>Snow-Man: aim
21:41<Snow-Man>ew. :)
21:41<courtlr>Are their any empty F-keys that myth isn't using at the moment in the cvs?
21:41<Snow-Man>Chutt: Did thor or whomever ever do the control interface?
21:41<Snow-Man>+socket
21:41<Chutt>no
21:41<Snow-Man>Damn.
21:41<Chutt>he's doing the dvd ripping stuff instead.
21:41<Snow-Man>He, well, that's good stuff too.
21:42<courtlr>Are the control keys in the Mythtv program dir, or in the libmythtv dir?
21:43<Chutt>libmythtv/tv_play.cpp
21:43<courtlr>ok thanks
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21:43<Snow-Man>Alright, mythweb appears to at least be working as much as it did before.
21:44<Snow-Man>Too much shit to do.
21:46<matt_>well it doesn't look like i can get out of mythtv-setup...is there a way i can do any of the video source setup from the command line?
21:49<Snow-Man>Ah, checking out listings via mozilla of what I want to record.. :)
21:50<matt_>actually, nevermind. i'm using twm
21:52<Chutt>mdz, do you do remote or local playback?
21:55<mdz>Chutt: local, remote very occasionally
21:55<mdz>actually, never remote
21:55<Chutt>always over nfs?
21:55<mdz>I run a frontend on another box sometimes, but it has local access to the video
21:55<Chutt>and you don't use live-tv very often..
21:55<mdz>no, my desktop is the nfs server
21:56<Chutt>seeking in live-tv or remote playback could potentially cause some ram corruption
21:56<Chutt>fixing that now..
21:57<bline>Chutt: would you accept a patch adding in lirc support?
21:57<Chutt>bline, native stuff?
21:57<Chutt>sure
21:57<Chutt>since it'd all be localized to one place now
21:58<bline>where would you want it plugged into?
21:58<Chutt>inject events into the main window
21:58<Chutt>libmyth
21:58<Chutt>somewhere, i'd assume
21:58<bline>ok, that's where I added it
21:58<bline>in MythMainWindow::Init
21:59<Chutt>heh
21:59<Chutt>patch first, ask questions later?
21:59<Chutt>=)
21:59<Snow-Man>hrmmm, how's that interface work?
22:01<bline>it wasn't too hard =)
22:02<Chutt>snowman wants to steal it for a socket command interface
22:02<mdz>Chutt: what does mythdvd use for playback?
22:02<Chutt>anything you tell it to
22:02<mdz>oh, it isn't a player itself?
22:02<Chutt>uses libdvdread for copying, will use transcode (i think) for compression
22:02<Chutt>naw
22:02<Chutt>not yet, anyway
22:02<Chutt>maybe if i get really ambitious
22:04<bma>Snow-Man realizes that tv sucks
22:05<Snow-Man>haha.
22:05<bline>I'll have a patch together after I finish fighting with qmake and testing
22:05<Snow-Man>bline: Wouldn't expect it to be, I just never have time to do it and it's always easier to steal someone else's code. :)
22:06<Snow-Man>Although depending on how you do it I might not need the socket stuff.
22:07<mdz>Chutt: maybe vektor will librarify movietime
22:07<Chutt>well
22:07<Chutt>i've got good playback code
22:07<matt_>agh...when i try to watch live tv, i get sound, but the top 2/3 of the screen is black & white static, and the bottom 1/3 is green
22:07<Chutt>i've got most of the OSD stuff i'd need
22:07<bline>it just uses the lirc_client interface to get events, QKeySequence to parse the config of the event and QApplication::sendEvent to send it to the mainwindow
22:08<Chutt>there's plenty of really easy dvd libs to use
22:08<Chutt>it'd just be a matter of tying stuff together
22:08<mdz>ah
22:08<Chutt>mdz, update your cvs build :p
22:09<mdz>ok, can't install it yet anyway
22:09<Chutt>snowman, lemme know if you see that ??ERY_RECORDING bug again
22:09<mdz>recording in progress for the next hour
22:09<matt_>has anyone seen anything like that before?
22:09<Snow-Man>Chutt: ok.
22:09<Chutt>i'd like to be able to fix that, but i need someone that understands c++ =)
22:09<Chutt>matt, nope
22:09<Chutt>you might have the wrong tv standard set, pal for ntsc or whatnot
22:09<Snow-Man>Alright, I'll let you know if I spot it again.
22:09<Chutt>wrong tuner frequency table
22:10<Snow-Man>mdz: Have you been compiling the new debs with symbols or no?
22:10<mdz>Snow-Man: I always build with symbols; I just normally let dh_strip strip them out
22:10<Chutt>mdz, and how do you reproduce that segfault of yours?
22:10<mdz>and do a DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nostrip if I want them
22:10<Snow-Man>mdz: Well, yes, but you were talking about not doing that by default a while ago.
22:10<mdz>Chutt: happened twice in a row unsuppressing a recording
22:11<mdz>nothing special that I noticed
22:11<Snow-Man>Guess that didn't happen so I might have to go recompile them myself at some point.
22:12<mdz>Snow-Man: the problem is that they really do come out 10 times bigger
22:12<Snow-Man>Chutt: Is that bug in mythweb about same show each day or whatever still there?
22:12<Snow-Man>mdz: I'm not suprised.
22:12<Chutt>snowman, i don't know about 0.10
22:12<Snow-Man>Well, 0.11 will be out soon enough anyway I guess.
22:12<Snow-Man>Probably won't be that much of a problem. :)
22:13<Snow-Man>mdz: Are the .debs actually 10 times bigger? I would have thought the compression would help some at least.
22:13<mdz>Snow-Man: I'll give you numbers in a minute
22:13<Snow-Man>Alright
22:14* Snow-Manlooks for other stuff to record.
22:14<mdz>stripped, mythtv-frontend is Installed-Size: 14900
22:14<bma>Snow-Man: B5 @ 9am on Scifi :)
22:14<Snow-Man>haha.
22:14<Snow-Man>Alright, marked for recording. :)
22:14<Snow-Man>At least tommorow's episode anyway.
22:14<bma>Snow-Man: Cops and Animal Precinct are good too :)
22:15<mdz>Chutt: btw, I've had zero problems building myth with -g by default rather than -fomit-frame-pointer. what do you think about doing it by default?
22:15<Chutt>i'd rather not..
22:15<mdz>anything in particular?
22:16<Chutt>don't want _more_ people asking about compile time optimizations
22:16<Chutt>and, i can't reproduce that crash on unsuppressing
22:17<Chutt>nothing at all shows up in valgrind, even =)
22:17<matt_>hmm i have it set to ntsc, using mpeg4@2200kbps
22:17<matt_>should i try rtjpeg?
22:17<Chutt>matt, no, what you described sounds more like a tuner setup problem.
22:17<matt_>xawtv works, and myth worked fine using debs
22:17<matt_>i tried modprobe -r bttv card=41...didn't do anything
22:18<matt_>i didn't see any weird errors from mythfront or backend...just delaying until next trigger
22:19<matt_>hmm
22:23<mdz>Chutt: I'll let you know if it still happens with this new build
22:23<Chutt>i unsuppressed a recording 15 or 20 times just now
22:24<Chutt>nothing happened
22:24<mdz>your backend never crashes :-P
22:24<Chutt>yeah, that's true
22:24<mdz>Snow-Man: with debug, Installed-Size: 76412
22:24<mdz>so about 5 times the size
22:25<mdz>matt_: modprobe -r removes the module. it doesn't make such sense to specify options when removing a module
22:26<mdz>the .deb is 16M
22:26<mdz>with debug
22:26<mdz>that's just ridiculous
22:26<Chutt>ah, bloat
22:27<Snow-Man>How big is the deb w/o debug?
22:27<Snow-Man>That's definitely pretty big tho.
22:27<mdz>Snow-Man: don't have one for this build, but the 0.10 one is about 5M
22:28<Chutt>that could be cut down a bit
22:28<Chutt>i think
22:29<mdz>what could?
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22:34<matt_>mdz: isn't -r reload?
22:35<mdz>matt_: no. man modprobe
22:43<bline>great, the code doesn't work when I put it inside a thread
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23:02<matt_>egh..hopefully i can sort this out tomorrow
23:02<matt_>thanks for the help guys, i'm sure i'll get everything working sooner or later
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23:15<mikegrb>Chutt: did you see my question yesterday evening re xscreensaver? I was wondering what you though of sending it a SIGSTOP and then a SIGCONT when appropriate? From the mplayer lists it looks like this is how it is (or was) handled
23:17<mikegrb>the only drawback being that some users were seeing the screensaver popup as soon as playback ended (and SIGCONT was sent), the workaround was to exec the screensaver -deactivate just before letting it continue so it resets it's timer
23:19<mikegrb>Chutt: depending on a deep dive into some code to determine my level of understanding this week I may be volunteering to take on something you have been searching for some unwitting coder to handle ;)
23:28<Chutt>there's X calls for the screensaver stuff
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23:30<mikegrb>I will certainly look into that
23:30<mikegrb>that was somewhat what I was looking for when I ran across the mplayer stuff
23:31<mikegrb>I'm sure you can probably guss what my last statement was refering to :-)
23:31<mikegrb>I hadn't used mythgame or really planned on it, installed it today though and my wife has been playing old arcade games all day <g>
23:32<mikegrb>ended up having to modify xmame a bit to get it to properly do fullscreen with twm (title bar was the main problem) and after getting the last problem, it no longer lives happy with mythgame
23:33<mikegrb>so I've got to dive in to fix that anyway
23:33<mikegrb>I just don't want to volunteer to maintain it and then not be ablt to
23:35<mikegrb>I did find that xmame when called from a frontend can be told which window to use, I don't know a lot about x11 or qt but I might dig into this a bit and see if I can make that work to myths advantage (ala the change from multiple windows for plugins to one)
23:41<bline>Chutt: do you have a minute?