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00:01<Captain_Murdoch>jhurliman: nothing else that I noticed other than the couple things I mentioned earlier.
00:02<jhurliman>alright, here we go
00:04<jhurliman>is 13k too big for the mailing list or no big deal?
00:07<Captain_Murdoch>other people have sent backtraces that big so I don't see it as a problem.
00:09<mdz>Chutt: does the bttv driver throw away its state when the file descriptor is closed or something?
00:09<mdz>this isn't making sense to me
00:09<mdz>I'm pretty sure how it used to work was that if you exited live tv and went back in, it would stay on the same input
00:09<mdz>but now it goes back to the default input
00:09<mdz>but the Channel still thinks it's on the old one
00:11<Chutt>jhurliman, yeah, but i don't feel like doing the code to make it fall back like that =)
00:11<Chutt>mdz, i dunno
00:12<Chutt>it may be that change that fixed your audio =)
00:12<Chutt>maybe i'll hook something up to my s-video in later
00:12<Chutt>and see if i can figure it out
00:12<mdz>I'm pretty sure I can brute-force fix it by having it always change the input, even if it thinks it's already there
00:12<mdz>but I can't figure out what changed to make it work differently
00:15<jhurliman>ok the patch is heading to the mailing list, i gotta run though later everyone
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00:16<mdz>the only relevant thing I can see which has changed since 0.10 is that extra VIDIOCSCHAN in nvr
00:16<mdz>and all that does is do a VIDIOCGCHAN and pass it back in to SCHAN
00:18<mdz>it seems like it has to be that, though
00:23<mdz>--- cvs.mythtv.org ping statistics ---
00:23<mdz>7 packets transmitted, 5 received, 28% packet loss, time 6050ms
00:23<mdz>rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 1861.871/1934.832/2027.121/60.616 ms, pipe 3
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00:28<Captain_Murdoch>Chutt, I'm going to test jhurliman's patch and commit it tomorrow unless you get bored and beat me to it. looks ok visually I think but haven't applied it to my tree yet. he does have some extra junk at the bottom in main.cpp that he forgot to strip out (it wasn't in his earlier patch)
00:29<bline>hey tmk
00:32<mdz>oh for fuck's sake
00:33<mdz>Chutt: did you delete XJ.{cpp,h} out of the repository?
00:33<Captain_Murdoch>mdz, I think he moved that stuff somewhere else.
00:33<mdz>Captain_Murdoch: yes, I know, but he did it inside the repository instead of using cvs
00:33<mdz>which means it's now impossible to back out to a previous date or release
00:34<Captain_Murdoch>oh, yeah.. :(
00:34<mdz>which means I can't compile anything at all anymore
00:34<bline>Chutt: what do you think about making a subclass for all the Qt widgets. Do you see other options that I am missing.
00:35<Captain_Murdoch>you can't compile current cvs?
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00:36<mdz>Captain_Murdoch: no
00:37<mdz>it requires a recent xfree86
00:37<Captain_Murdoch>even with the xvmc stuff turned off?
00:38<mdz>Captain_Murdoch: scroll up
00:38<Captain_Murdoch>what's "recent"?
00:38<mdz><mdz> ../libavcodec/xvmc_render.h:21: syntax error before `*'
00:38<Captain_Murdoch>yeah, saw that earlier but forgot.
00:39<TonyJ>has anyone else had problems with mythweather?
00:39<mdz>honestly I don't know what it is that breaks it. maybe not xfree86.
00:42<Captain_Murdoch>how is that getting included unless you turned on xvmc?
00:42<mdz>Captain_Murdoch: I didn't turn on shit
00:42<mdz>I didn't touch xvmc anything
00:45<mdz>I have to go back to 0.10
00:45<Captain_Murdoch>weird. xvmcvideo.c only includes xvmc_render.h if HAVE_XVMC is defined which gets put in config.h by configure if you enable xvmc.
00:45<mdz>if "enable xvmc" means "run make", I guess I enabled it
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00:46<Captain_Murdoch>no, "configure --enable-xvmc"
00:46<Captain_Murdoch>so config.h doesn't have HAVE_XVMC in it.
00:47<mdz>what is the default?
00:47<Captain_Murdoch>shouldn't be in there at all if it's off.
00:47<Captain_Murdoch>code just does an #ifdef not an #if
00:47<mdz>no, the default is to autodetect
00:47<mdz>in configure
00:47<mdz>which is what fucked me
00:48<Captain_Murdoch>oh, thought you meant default value of HAVE_XVMC
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00:50<Captain_Murdoch>I don't see it autodetecting. I see it checking if you set --enable-xvmc but that's the only place it checks
00:50<mdz>mizar:[~/src/deb/mine/upstream/mythtv] grep -i xvmc config.h
00:50<mdz>zsh: exit 1 grep -i xvmc config.h
00:50<mdz>In file included from avformatdecoder.cpp:13:
00:50<mdz>../libavcodec/xvmc_render.h:21: syntax error before `*'
00:51<mdz>#include <iostream>
00:51<mdz>#include <assert.h>
00:51<mdz>using namespace std;
00:51<mdz>#include "avformatdecoder.h"
00:51<mdz>#include "RingBuffer.h"
00:51<mdz>#include "NuppelVideoPlayer.h"
00:51<mdz>#include "remoteencoder.h"
00:51<mdz>#include "programinfo.h"
00:51<mdz>extern "C" {
00:51<mdz>#include "../libavcodec/xvmc_render.h"
00:51<mdz>}
00:51<mdz>that is the first bit of avformatdecoder.cpp
00:51<mdz>there is no #ifdef
00:51<Captain_Murdoch>ah.. that code needs an #ifdef HAVE_XVMC around it.
00:51<Captain_Murdoch>the #include
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00:51<jhurliman>hmm, would xvmc speed up playback of the software encoded files myth creates also, or just hardware mpeg-2?
00:52<mdz>will that work? it doesn't include config.h (and I thought config.h was only for libavcodec anwyay)
00:52<mdz>Captain_Murdoch: and that wouldn't help anyway
00:52<Captain_Murdoch>mdz, yeah was just looking at that.
00:52<mdz>because it uses things from that header later on
00:53<Captain_Murdoch>so current cvs is broken for anyone without xvmc headers? since xvmc code in avformatdecoder.cpp isn't #ifdef wrapped.
00:53<mdz>I'm fixing it now
00:54<mdz>committed
00:56<Chutt>i just had figured that the xvmc stuff came with the x headers
00:56<Chutt>guess not =)
00:57<Captain_Murdoch>maybe it's certain versions of th headers. it didn't complain that it couldn't find X11/extensions/XvMClib.h but that it didn't know about XvMCMacroBlock I think.
00:57<mdz>Captain_Murdoch: right
00:58<mdz>maybe xlibs-dev 4.2.1-3 is broken or something
00:58<mdz>that's what I have on my myth box
00:58<mdz>er
00:58<mdz>but it's not what I was building with
00:58<mdz>it's probably in 4.2.x but not in 4.1.x (woody)
00:58<Captain_Murdoch>I'm using 4.2.0 I think and it was ok with this.
00:59<Captain_Murdoch>anyway, bedtime. glad it's figured out.
01:01<hadees>is there any real diffrence in tv capture cards, i mean besides mpeg 2 and just normal ones
01:01<jhurliman>night cap'n
01:01<jhurliman>hadees: quality, btaudio, driver support
01:02<hadees>so what would you recommend as the best
01:03<jhurliman>for example, the pinnacle pctv rave card has poor quality, is incorrectly wired so btaudio doesnt work, and locks up your system with most versions of bttv
01:03<jhurliman>i'm a hauppauge fan myself, zoltrix tv genie is also very nice and inexpensive, and if you are handy with a soldering iron there's a mod to get really high quality tv out of it
01:04<hadees>so like the win tv is a good one
01:05<jhurliman>that's what im using, works like a charm
01:05<Timon>jhurliman: Is the quality of the zoltrix (pre-mod) good, bad, fair?
01:05<jhurliman>Timon: it is comparable to the hauppauge IMO, a hair short but good enough for an interlaced TV or smaller CRT
01:06<hadees>jhurliman: do you know where i can learn more about the zoltrix mod?
01:06<jhurliman>hadees: google :), i dont have a link offhand
01:06<jhurliman>oh wait, http://www.avsforum.com/
01:06<Timon>jhurliman: How does it compare post mod?
01:06<jhurliman>Timon: i havent modded mine, but i might now that it's not in my main myth box. people have said its the superior option for analog tv post-mod
01:07<Timon>jhurliman: If I remember correctly the zoltrix is a mpeg card right?
01:08<jhurliman>Timon: mine (zoltrix tv genie) doesnt have hardware mpeg-2, if thats what you meant
01:08<Timon>Yeah, thats what I meant
01:09<hadees>anyone have a link to the mod, google doesn't seem to return it
01:10* blinegets ignored
01:11<Timon>bline: Me thinks myth needs a generic key post event class :-)
01:11<Timon>I'm trying to do the LCD stuff, and my LCD has buttons so I'm trying to figure out how to get those posted
01:12<jhurliman>oh yeah zoltrix and hauppauge have radio too :)
01:12<Timon>the fake key events that is
01:12<bline>Timon: I'm writting a keymap class that allows registering events for states
01:12<Timon>bline: Really? What do you mean for states?
01:13<bline>the database will have something like: char name, char state, int key, char action
01:13<Timon>Ok, I think I understand what your doing / why your doing it
01:14<bline>well, things have states, for example when you hit FastForward you change states. If you hit pause you are in the pause state
01:14<hadees>what exaclty is radio feature? Is it only radio that comes through your cable company?
01:14<Timon>Ok, makes sense. Its going to require a lot of work patching myth and its various modules
01:14<jhurliman>Timon: go to the avsforum and search for "zoltrix kbk" (no quotes), that's the guy on there that sells them pre-modded
01:14<Timon>hadees: Its a fm tuner
01:14<Timon>jhurliman: thanks
01:15<hadees>So does it require an antenna
01:15<bline>Timon: yeah, but the class I am writting will make it pretty easy
01:15<jhurliman>hadees: fm radio tuner. you can get a radio tuner program (or write one for myth, hint hint) and listen to fm radio
01:15<bline>you just register event functions with states
01:15<bigguy>jhurliman: I thought he ran out of sources for the modable version of that card
01:15<Timon>bline: Will it allow me to post events? Ie user pressed down arrow on keypad on lcd, I want to send Key_Down to currently active window
01:16<jhurliman>bigguy: ack, i haven't been following it closely you are probably right. i wonder if mine is even modable
01:16<bline>Timon: use lirc for that :p
01:16<hadees>i know but where do you get the signal from, when i heard about it before i always belived it was an antenna but i can swear i read an article talking about getting it from your coax cable comming from your cable company
01:16<bigguy>jhurliman: he had a picture up at one time showing what the modable ones looked like
01:17<Timon>bline: Ack, arg, hmm, ok, yeah, crap :-)
01:17<Timon>hadees: Are you talking about the music channels digital cable has?
01:18<hadees>nope
01:18<bline>Timon: I think Snow-Man is working on something like that
01:18<hadees>so these cards have an antenna input right?
01:18<Timon>bline: Posting keys via lirc?
01:18<Timon>hadees: Yeah
01:18<Timon>Snow-Man: You up?
01:19<bline>Posting keys via another myth client
01:19<Timon>ok
01:19<hadees>hmm, mabey it was a limited case of a cable company sending fm raido over thier cables...
01:19<bline>with the current lirc support, you can post events via it, there are code example in lirc iirc
01:19<jhurliman>hadees: coaxial cable ran throughout the city makes for a great antennae for fm radio
01:20<Timon>hadees: I couldn't see a reason a cable company would waste bandwidth re-broadcasting the fm signal
01:20<jhurliman>hadees: that's what i use, the tuner cards provide a coax input for fm tuner as well as most home theater receivers offering fm
01:20<Timon>bline: Ok, thanks I'm going to have to check that
01:21<hadees>ah so it just uses the cable as an antenna, that makes sense
01:21<hadees>i thought i was going crazy
01:21<Timon>hadees: You are :-)
01:22<hadees>well my nick is a misspelling of a mythological devil
01:25<jhurliman>mythologicial god of the underworld, he only became a devil after it was changed from old mythology to christian religion
01:26<jhurliman>why the misspelling?
01:26<hadees>ey tomato tomato, i am jewish don't belive in the devil
01:26<hadees>because hades is always taken
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01:26<jhurliman>true :)
01:26<hadees>hadees how ever is unique
01:27<Timon>hadees: Does judaism have a Christian equivilent of the devil?
01:28<Timon>s/judaism/Judaism/g
01:28<hadees>nope
01:28<Timon>They of cource believe in Yahweh correct?
01:29<hadees>yeah same religon minus hazeus
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01:30<Timon>hazeus is the Jewish word for hades?
01:30<hadees>thats spanish for jesus
01:30<hadees>i was being cute
01:30<Timon>Ahh, ok
01:31<hadees>basicly its the old testament
01:31<Timon>If I remember correctly the Jews believe in Jesus, they just don't believe He's devine / The Son of God?
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01:31<jhurliman>i've been running my production box with transcoding turned on for about a week now with no noticeable problems. Chutt mentioned stability issues, is there anything i should be wary of before integrating it in to a commercial product/
01:31<Timon>hadees: I remember that much. I really should attend Bible study more often.
01:32<Timon>jhurliman: What commercial product you making?
01:32<jhurliman>Timon: http://www.focustheater.com/
01:32<hadees>i say basicly because there are diffrences but anyway
01:33<hadees>jhurliman: you selling htpcs?
01:33<jhurliman>i mentioned it in here once or twice... putting finishing touches on it these days
01:33<jhurliman>hadees: yep
01:33<Timon>jhurliman: Looks good!
01:33<jhurliman>thanks :)
01:34<Timon>how much?
01:34<jhurliman>995.00
01:34<Timon>ouch, a g
01:34<jhurliman>it's aimed at a replacement for upscaling equipment, not as a pvr
01:34<Timon>jhurliman: Have you seen the coolmaster htpc case?
01:34<jhurliman>that's a feature that mythtv provides though
01:34<Timon>jhurliman: ahh, ok
01:34<jhurliman>Timon: its in my living room, has it's ups and downs
01:35<hadees>so it will do everything but pvr?
01:35<hadees>kind of like freevo
01:35<jhurliman>the ATC-630, the newer one is supposed to have some improvements but the Lian Li case i use for the products is decently smaller and has an actual color scheme
01:35<Timon>jhurliman: What don't you like about the case? you have the black one with the front face that comes down?
01:36<jhurliman>hadees: no it's based on mythtv, so it has all the mythtv features plus some stuff i've added, including upscaling to hdtv
01:36<hadees>this is the case i am using
01:36<hadees>http://www.atechfabrication.com/home_theater_computers.htm
01:36<hadees>so what did you add? or is it a trade secret?
01:36<Timon>He's got component out on it :-)
01:37<Timon>How'd you get that?
01:37<jhurliman>Timon: it has a dark grey shell, silver aluminum front with a green glass fold-down. it's a very nicely built case, but the color scheme looks rather odd to me, and it's a tad too big for most home theater cabinets
01:37<hadees>mabey he put a transcoder in the case
01:37<jhurliman>Timon: I have a contract with a high quality cable manufacturer, vga can be converted to anything
01:38<jhurliman>hadees: the "trade secrets" are under the GPLv2 :). it will all be posted soon enough
01:38<Timon>jhurliman: The local inCOMPitent USA has a coolmaster htpc case, all black, fold down black front which hides the cd/dvd drive
01:39<Timon>Its a nice case, I just can't see paying $200 for a case, then another $80 for a decent power supply
01:39<jhurliman>Timon: ahh, i haven't seen that one except pictures, it looked nice though. with a micro-atx mobo the coolermaster cases always leave a lot of empty space
01:39<hadees>jhurliman: mabey you can answer a question i have had for a while, I got componet input on my tv but it isn't hdtv could i just use a cable crossover?
01:39<jhurliman>apparently for water cooling rigs or liquid nitrogen tanks, given their target market :)
01:39<Timon>All aluminum (sp?), its nice and light, but to spendy
01:40<jhurliman>hadees: do you know what signal it is? YPbPr? RGBHV?
01:40<hadees>YPbPr
01:40<jhurliman>hmm, but it's an interlaced tv? or can it do progressive
01:40<hadees>well it sure isn't hdtv
01:41<Timon>Is there an easy way to tell if your tv can do progressive?
01:41<hadees>I don
01:41<hadees>'t
01:41<hadees>know exaclty what it is, seems like not alot of people do either
01:41<Timon>I got a new 32" wega, nice screen
01:41<jhurliman>look it up online is all i can guess
01:42<hadees>I think it is interlaced though
01:42<jhurliman>you will most likely need a http://www.ramelectronics.net/html/kd-vtca2.htm and http://www.cobaltcable.com/product/svga_breakout_cable.htm (YPbPr version)
01:43<jhurliman>YPbPr is actually a different signal than DB15 (VGA), so you need that transcoder
01:44<jhurliman>and you need a video card that supports interlaced output at 640x480 60Hz 31.5kHz
01:46<hadees>jhurliman: you code the update system your self?
01:46<jhurliman>oh man, this is completely off-topic but i cant stop laughing: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=47066&cid=4829665
01:46<jhurliman>hadees: well i cant take credit for gentoo's portage system, but i built a frontend for it in mythtv
01:48<hadees>so does it update itself through mythtv's cvs tree? or do you controll the updates your clients get
01:49<jhurliman>hadees: i control it since all the modules have my patches applied to them. the ebuilds are basically clean cvs checkouts (or releases) + a bunch of patch and config files though
01:50<jhurliman>some of the patches are useful for other people so i submit them to the list, most are gui hacks for the product's purposes though
01:51<hadees>intresting, what remote are you going with for your clients? I have been wanting to use netremote.org, some guy is supposed to be working on a port for linux how ever he is taking his sweat time
01:51<hadees>i offered to help he told me he would contact me when he started coding again...
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01:52<Timon>hadees: lirc supports a net remote option
01:53<jhurliman>hadees: the unit ships with the packard bell pc remote / receiver. kind of unconventional for hi-fi home theater but its very well suited to myth, and work is being done on compatibility with the expensive universal remotes
01:53<hadees>it does? netremote.org?
01:53<Timon>hadees: I don't if it supports netremote.
01:54<jhurliman>? it runs on a pda?
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01:54<Timon>But I know lirc supports a net remote option. It allows you to have the ir on one computer, and send it to another computer
01:54<jhurliman>pocket pc aha
01:55<hadees>well a nice thing also is it doesn't use IR
01:55<hadees>it uses wireless internet
01:55<Timon>jhurliman: Do you repackage the pack bell remote, or leave it in the beigh shell?
01:55<Timon>hadees: Ahh
01:55<jhurliman>Timon: original white shell
01:56<Timon>jhurliman: Uck :-) What do clients think seeing a pack bell remote :-)
01:56<hadees>you should use the windows media center remote from HP and change the icon in it, that would be neat
01:56<hadees>in the myhtpc.net forum i remember reading about some one modding the remote like that
01:56<jhurliman>hadees: the remote i would really love to use is the xbox remote :)
01:57<Timon>I need to dig up my pack bell remote and re-eval it for myth
01:57<hadees>nah i don't care for it, also no on/off switch
01:57<jhurliman>Timon: actually most high-end home theater users already have some sort of remote, and just want a device id or config file to make it work with their existing solution
01:57<Timon>ahh
01:57<jhurliman>still looking at any other nicer looking remotes though
01:57<hadees>jhurliman: what you should do is get uirt-usb working with mythtv, then you could also change digital cable boxs
01:58<jhurliman>Timon: if you do i can send you my lirc configs for myth.. even though it's changed now but shows my key mapping
01:58<hadees>misterhouse already uses it so it can be done
01:58<Timon>jhurliman: dan@milkcarton.com
01:58<hadees>thats somthing i want to work on is a mythtv misterhouse front end
01:59<jhurliman>hadees: this first version only works with analog cable, no external tuner. once its off the ground new versions including external tuners, digital cable/satellite, etc, etc
01:59<hadees>problem is i don't have a dev machine handy, tired using my laptop, no luck
01:59<hadees>keep having problems because i don't have a tv tuner
02:00<jhurliman>hadees: you can have my pinnacle card for $10 :)
02:00<hadees>hehe i am building an htpc just don't have it yet
02:01<jhurliman>ahh
02:01<hadees>i mean i an't the worlds greatest programmer but i think once i get a dev box up i can do some stuff for mythtv
02:01<Timon>jhurliman: You going to send me your config? :-)
02:02<Timon>Oops, didn't check my in box
02:03<hadees>my great goal how ever i think is beyond my reach, i found a xmms plugin for using winamp 2.x visualization using winelib, only problem is it is broken because of wine being updated
02:03<hadees>and the orginal author has no intrest in it
02:04<hadees>i want to add the code into mythmusic but that requires me learning winamp 2 plugin arch, xmms plugin arch, fixing the xmms plugin then porting it into winamp
02:04<jhurliman>Timon: sent, any delays can be blamed on my inferior mail setup
02:04<hadees>oh yeah and learning winelib
02:04<Timon>jhurliman: It was me. I didn't hear the beep indicating new mail
02:05<Timon>jhurliman: You run your own mail setup?
02:05<jhurliman>hadees: adding winelib as a dep to mythtv would be the ultimate battle :)
02:06<jhurliman>Timon: arghhh, i've had so many problems with smtp servers i finally asked around in here and got help running my own with exim
02:06<jhurliman>it seems to work much better than the others, though
02:07<Timon>jhurliman: Its not bad. I've run my own mail setup for 2+ years. I don't want to be at the mercy of someone else for my mail. I want the flexibility of having IMap and using LDap for my address book.
02:07<Timon>Hell, I just like having a 50mb trash folder :-)
02:07<hadees>jhurliman: you can't deny that being able to run alot of the winamp vis plugins wouldn't be f*#@ing amazing
02:08* Chuttunplugs the cvs server
02:08<Timon>need to be able to do the winamp skins too. . . I have a skin with Ali Landry in it, oh yeah shes hot :-)
02:08<Chutt>heh
02:09<Chutt>i wrote the first mp3 player that did winamp skins besides winamp
02:09<Chutt>looong time ago
02:22<Timon>I remember when winamp wasn't a free product.
02:22<jhurliman>hadees: what about just xmms plugin support to start? there must be some ok plugins for xmms
02:22<Timon>Hell, I remember when mp3's first started comming out.
02:22<Chutt>jhurliman, only problem is xmms (and it's plugins) are gtk
02:22<jhurliman>even though i have a grudge against xmms, since it is broken on my system, and i emerged it!
02:22<jhurliman>ahh right, xmms plugins handle their own windowing. it would be easier to implement sonique plugins or something similar, where video is just passed back to the api
02:22<hadees>jhurliman: that would be winamp->xmms->mythtv
02:22<Chutt>it's really easy to port xmms vis plugins to mythmusic
02:22<Chutt>that's what the blurscope and goom are
02:22<jhurliman>hmm
02:22<hadees>my problem isn't the porting its fixing the xmms winamp plugin
02:22<hadees>never used winelib before, i am not even sure why its broken
02:22<jhurliman>i suppose more could be ported over, it's plenty of visuals for me though right now. i'd rather see some work on tvtime deinterlacers in myth :) but beggars cant be chooser
02:22<jhurliman>s
02:22<Chutt>heh
02:22<Chutt>couple more people whose isps use spews
02:22<Chutt>funny
02:22<hadees>jhurliman: i agree just the winamp one would be nice because instead of just one more viz its a bunch
02:22<Timon>yet another reason why I run my own mail server :-)
02:22<Timon>hadees: Most of the winamp visuals are crap. Though there are a few good ones.
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02:22<hadees>Timon: there are some really nice ones, the thing is there is just so many of them, alot do suck but some are great
02:22<jhurliman>there's so much there... once you can get winamp plugins running through an xmms plugin that uses winelib that's implemented in mythtv, which can send lirc keys back to the winamp plugin for things like the avs plugin... you get a prize
02:22<Timon>Yeah, some are awesome. But I've just seen to many crappy ones that were voted high
02:22<hadees>now if only the all knowing wise intelligent and did i mention good looking Chutt would fix the plugin and port it to mythtv...
02:22<hadees>hehe, i got to get my hardware soon so i can do somthing with mythtv, I got to implement one of my ideas
02:22<hadees>i am living at a beach house during the summer and all i have is my laptop, i am going through nerd withdrawal
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02:22<jhurliman>hadees: what kind of laptop?
02:22<hadees>thinkpad r31
02:22<jhurliman>i have an averatec coming in the mail, would like to hear about linux compatibility from an experienced linux user
02:22<jhurliman>i think i'm going to have a go at getting a refund for windows :-)
02:23<jhurliman>so what's the deal with current cvs? should i wait a day or two before checking out for better lirc support and misc. things?
02:25<chmod_700>Chutt: you here?
02:30<chmod_700>jhurliman: you a gentoo user?
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02:36<Chutt>yes.
02:36<jhurliman>chmod_700: yes
02:37<jhurliman>Chutt: that delaying to next trigger hasn't popped up so far, no idea what i did although i think it might have been related to alsa oss emulation and btaudio fighting. im blaming it on terrorism
02:37<chmod_700>cool
02:38<chmod_700>did you catch my message above chutt?
02:38<chmod_700>it was a MySQL file permission error
02:38<Chutt>what message above?
02:38<Chutt>yeah
02:38<chmod_700>good deal
02:38<chmod_700>thanks for your help
02:38<chmod_700>myth rocks
02:38<Chutt>i even put in a line to print out an error if that query fails
02:38<chmod_700>ahhhh good man
02:38<chmod_700>:D
02:38<chmod_700>does QT have a mysql_error() equivilant?
02:39<chmod_700>like PHP?
02:39<Timon>jhurliman: Did you get the lircin stuff to work in lircd?
02:39<Timon>Err nm, your not doing what I'm doing.
02:39<Timon>Ignore me
02:40<jhurliman>:-)
02:40<Timon>For some reason I thought you were using a remote to send data to the computer . . . :-)
02:40<Timon>But in my mind I got that mixed up with the LCDProc lircin stuff
02:40<jhurliman>what would be the command-line query to turn on deinterlacing in mythtv, if i was to ssh to the box and run mysql?
02:40<Chutt>chmod_700, 'course
02:41<Timon>jhurliman: You would have to update a setting the mysql db.
02:41<Timon>in the settings table
02:42<jhurliman>i'll look up what it is, my sql is very rusty though. UPDATE value="1" FROM settings WHERE option="something"; ?
02:42<chmod_700>update TABLENAME
02:42<chmod_700>update table set foo=1 where x=10;
02:43<jhurliman>ty
02:43<chmod_700>np
02:44<chmod_700>is there a howto on themes somehwhere? or do I just need to dig in and read the xml files of the others?
02:45<Timon>chmod_700: search the mailing list
02:45<Timon>John Danner created one about 2-3 months ago
02:46<Chutt>geez
02:46<Chutt>i plug in the cvs server
02:46<Chutt>and instantly, it's being used
02:46<chmod_700>Timon: thx man
02:46<Timon>Chutt: heh
02:46<Timon>chmod_700: np
02:50<jhurliman>is there a reason that all the channels would be off by one or two? or is that just bad data from zap2it
02:50<Chutt>off by one is usually tv standard misdetection
02:51<jhurliman>eh?
02:51<Chutt>unless you're talking about the data being off
02:51<Chutt>and not the channels you're tuning to
02:51<jhurliman>channel 33 in the EPG is really channel 34, and all channels are like this
02:52<jhurliman>it might actually be two off instead of one not positive, its not in front of me
02:52<Chutt>lotta people with ati cards have their tuner detected as PAL when it should be ntsc
02:52<Chutt>causes the channels to show up as off by one, and poor quality
02:53<jhurliman>hmm, i will look at forcing with bttv, i'd think by now it could figure out the hauppauge wintv-radio pretty well though
02:53<Chutt>that's generally ok
02:53<Timon>jhurliman: Is the data off vs whats in the tv guide?
02:54<chmod_700>i have the off by one sometimes
02:54<chmod_700>but not the tuner
02:54<Chutt>but, could just be bad data
02:54<chmod_700>picture is crystal clear and channel is correct when watching tv, then the program finder reports data wrong
02:54<jhurliman>Timon: not sure i understand.. ok looking at it right now, channels 2-30 something appear to be off by one. epg says FOX is something else, calls SPEED HGTV, but channel 42 is correctly cartoon network
02:54<chmod_700>yeah im guessing xmltv is feeding mysql crap
02:54<hadees>anyone every think about having certain mythtv plugins become channels, like the way some tvs have the video inputs be 0 or between the first and last channel
02:54<jhurliman>so maybe my cable company changed? how would i update to reflect this
02:55<chmod_700>truncate channel;
02:55<Chutt>well, easiest way is to just clear the program and channel tables
02:55<chmod_700>:D
02:55<hadees>just would be an easier way to switch between like mythmusic and mythtv
02:55<chmod_700>i noticed that tv_grab_na returned two channel 19's
02:55<jhurliman>Chutt: ok, well i need to change my setup program to do that then
02:55<chmod_700>i commented one out
02:56<hadees>or have a football game going in the picture in picture box while listening to music
02:56<Timon>chmod_700: I get that, I have two channel networks which share the same channel. I just commented it out entirely, nothing is good on the channel at any time.
02:57<chmod_700>lol
02:57<chmod_700>yeah one is cspan2 and the other is pub access here, neither is worth the trouble
02:57<jhurliman>and ~/.mythtv/Cable.xml too right?
02:57<chmod_700>yea
02:57<chmod_700>channel: 18 EDAC018
02:57<chmod_700>channel: 19 CSPAN2
02:57<chmod_700>not channel: 19 PUAC019
02:57<chmod_700>channel: 20 GOAC020
02:57<Chutt>that'll get updated when you run the tv_grab_na --configure
02:57<chmod_700>i just prefixed 'not '
02:58<Chutt># works :p
02:58<chmod_700>ahhh
02:58<jhurliman>Timon: i get that too on channel 67 or something
02:58<Timon>jhurliman: Check zap2it, is the data wrong there?
02:58<chmod_700>will the # stay across mythfilldatabase calls chutt?
02:58<Chutt>of course.
02:58<chmod_700>groovy
02:59<chmod_700>i guess i should rebuild the channel DB now
02:59<jhurliman>Chutt: one useful thing you could pull from my mythsettings module, i updated the mythfilldatabase to have a --firsttime option, so it only grabs 2 days worth when you run from the setup menu, and it displays an accurate progress bar for the tv_grab_na (instead of seemingly freezing the setup for 20 minutes)
03:00<Chutt>ah
03:00<chmod_700>that would rule
03:00<chmod_700>it takes forever on the first run
03:00<Chutt>there's no reason to wait for it to complete
03:00<Chutt>past the first day, at least
03:00<chmod_700>i just wait for it to get the 1st days worth
03:01<chmod_700>first time users don't know that though
03:01<chmod_700>i waited the first time
03:01<jhurliman>that's assuming you are watching the console
03:01<jhurliman>i "killall setup" the first time, then went back and realized my mistake :)
03:02<Chutt>it shouldn't be grabbing any data at all when you run setup
03:02<chmod_700>if i reset the program table will it mess up any existing recordings, or scheduled items?
03:03<Chutt>shouldn't.
03:03<chmod_700>ok
03:04<chmod_700>noticed new station available (19 PUAC019), re-run --configure
03:04<chmod_700>I commented it out, but I guess that is fine?
03:04<Timon>chmod_700: I ignore those
03:04<chmod_700>cool
03:04<chmod_700>Chutt: what platform did you write most of this on?
03:05<chmod_700>is there a "standard" distro most myth users use?
03:05<chmod_700>or am i probing for a holy war?
03:05<Chutt>debian
03:05<chmod_700>thats about the only one I've not used
03:05<jhurliman>hmm, appears zap2it is wrong on a couple channels here and there
03:05<Chutt>i haven't used anything but debian in about 7 years
03:06<jhurliman>chmod_700: i enjoy gentoo, debian is a good clean distro
03:08<chmod_700>i just never plunked down the cash for it, but a lot of people at the local LUG love it
03:08<Timon>why plunk down money? Just download it
03:08<chmod_700>I'm more of a BSD guy, until I started getting into multimedia stuff
03:08<chmod_700>I thouht debian was pay only?
03:08<Timon>chmod_700: Amen :-)
03:09<jhurliman>pay only? never heard of such a thing
03:09<chmod_700>maybe i heard wrong, its been a while since i looked for it
03:09<Timon>chmod_700: I downloaded a copy a few months ago. Wanted to install it but it didn't like my 160gb hd
03:09<chmod_700>hmm
03:09<jhurliman>i wonder what kind of legality issues are associated with selling xboxes running linux...
03:09<jhurliman>hmm well i'm off for tonight, g'day everyone
03:09<chmod_700>nite.
03:09<jhurliman>err night (see i need sleep)
03:10<Timon>jhurliman: I think your asking for a lawsuit from ms :-)
03:10<jhurliman>Timon: undoubtedly
03:10<jhurliman>and SCO at the same time, hehehe
03:10<Timon>hah
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03:11<chmod_700>well rebuilding the program table seems to have fixed most of the channel errors
03:11<chmod_700>thx for the tips
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03:16<hadees>jhurliman: the way to get around the legal issues is just sell the install cd, let the people get their own xboxs
03:16<Timon>hadees: hes already gone
03:17<hadees>doh
03:17<hadees>busy installing winex, mabey i will get this plugin working
03:17<hadees>who knows crazyer things have happend, the terminator is going to be the govener of CA
03:18<chmod_700>i wonder if someone could add a --quiet option to mythfilldatabase?
03:18<hadees>is it really a problem?
03:18<chmod_700>for running in cron
03:19<hadees>eh, just have the cron pipe the output to a file, that way you can have a log if things to arie
03:19<Timon>why not just pipe it to null?
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03:20<hadees>although i can see that being okay since i like making things a simple as possible
03:20<hadees>chmod_700: you should try to do it, can't be that hard
03:20<chmod_700>i wrote tetris in C++ a year ago, and that is about as much as I know
03:20<chmod_700>(with a book in my lap for most of it)
03:21<chmod_700>piping it somewhere is good and all, but it just seems like most programs have a quiet flag
03:21<chmod_700>its about #47634 on the todo list im sure
03:22<Chutt>it has a quiet option.
03:23<chmod_700>ahh its just not listed with --help
03:24<chmod_700>well, i'm off to bed, thanks for the help, and I hope I can return the favor some time
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03:41<Timon>woot! I got the lcd button stuff posting events! I can now naviguess myth with my lcd!
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03:45<Timon>Though, I will change it to use Anduin's stuff if/when it gets committed. . .
03:58<hadees>Timon: add support for the powermate ;)
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03:59<Timon>Sure. . . For 1.5 mil :-)
04:00<Timon>what the heck is that gizmo again?
04:03<Timon>I'm happy now. Just got to do some code cleanup, add a few more features and the LCD stuff will get a massive update!
04:06<hadees>it looks like a volume knob
04:06<hadees>the led on it also dims
04:07<Timon>thats write, how does it interface?
04:07<hadees>i think it makes a htpc case look professional
04:08<Timon>how does it interface to the pc?
04:13<hadees>usb
04:13<hadees>there is a usb driver written for it
04:13<hadees>just needs to be linked into your event loop thing
04:15<Timon>Send me one and I'll be more then happy to try and make it work. If I can't make it work, I'll send it back to you. If I do get it to work, its mine :-)
04:17<hadees>hehe, i think i can get it to work on my own, just don't have it yet
04:17<hadees>i sent it to the atech guy
04:17<hadees>won't have my case for another month
04:17<Timon>To attach to your case?
04:18<Timon>lame
04:18<Timon>anyways, nite
04:18* Timonis away: sleep
04:18<hadees>not really, i can do that my self, i sent it to him to make it the same color as the case
04:18<hadees>http://www.atechfabrication.com/home_theater_computers.htm
04:18<hadees>i got a black one wanted it to match
04:19<hadees>case that is
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10:49<mdz_>why does gdb suck so much?
10:49<mdz_>I can't get useful information about any of the objects in this stack trace
10:50<Chutt>heh
10:51<mdz_>I have a couple of backend crashes
10:51<mdz_>easily reproducible
10:51<mdz_>and I can't figure out what's causing them
10:51<Chutt>ok?
10:51<Chutt>well, how to reproduce em
10:51<mdz_>#0 0x409d1171 in strncpy () from /lib/libc.so.6
10:51<mdz_>#1 0x4074dc2e in QString::sprintf () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
10:51<mdz_>#2 0x40733ad3 in QTime::toString () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
10:51<mdz_>#3 0x40734294 in QDateTime::toString () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
10:51<mdz_>#4 0x080c81e5 in ProgramInfo::ToStringList (this=0x85ab300, list=@0xbe9ff9a0)
10:51<mdz_> at programinfo.cpp:123
10:51<mdz_>#5 0x0807a2ad in MainServer::HandleGetPendingRecordings (this=0x84be4c0,
10:51<mdz_> pbs=0x84e0e50) at mainserver.cpp:981
10:51<Chutt>maybe i can get it going
10:51<mdz_>it blows up converting the endts to a string
10:51<mdz_>I want to find out what endts is and whether there is something bogus in it
10:52<mdz_>but gdb is completely confused
10:52<mdz_>#4 0x080c81e5 in ProgramInfo::ToStringList (this=0x85ab300, list=@0xbe9ff9a0)
10:52<mdz_> at programinfo.cpp:123
10:52<mdz_>123 programinfo.cpp: No such file or directory.
10:52<mdz_> in programinfo.cpp
10:52<mdz_>(gdb) print endts
10:52<mdz_>$19 = <incomplete type>
10:52<mdz_>(gdb) print this
10:52<mdz_>$20 = (QValueList<QString> *) 0xbe9ff9a0
10:52<Chutt>heh
10:52<Chutt>well, maybe have it print out the startts
10:52<Chutt>and chanid
10:52<mdz_>I'm pretty sure 'this' is supposed to be a Programinfo
10:52<mdz_>on that particular line
10:52<Chutt>and look in the db to see what the endts is?
10:53<mdz_>20030808230000 | 20030809000000
10:53<mdz_>that is what startts and endts should be
10:53<Chutt>ah
10:53<mdz_>endts is midnight
10:53<Chutt>print it out bit by bit?
10:53<Chutt>make sure it's that in the code?
10:54<mdz_>I have a 6 minute window before the next recording starts
10:55<mdz_>it takes me longer than that to compile it :-/
10:55<mdz_>I need to make a development system
10:55<mdz_>this one has become too....beloved
10:55<Chutt>heh
10:55<mdz_>I have to fight for a timeslot where I can do debugging ;-)
10:56<mdz_>weird, I thought it might have been confused because it didn't have the source
10:57<mdz_>but I gave it the source and it still thinks 'this' is a QValueList<QString>*
10:57<mdz_>I tried to get to the programinfo another way, but if I go up to the mainserver it's accessing it through an iterator
10:57<mdz_>which gdb also doesn't understand
10:57<mdz_>I can see all of the local variables in toStringList fine
10:58<Chutt>you're still running 3.0, right?
10:58<mdz_>yeah, I am getting fed up
10:58<mdz_>I think I am going tno have to upgrade this box to unstable
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10:59<Chutt>there's a lot of changes in qstring between 3.0 and 3.1
11:02<mdz_>did they add the "don't suck" feature to it?
11:03<Chutt>heh
11:03<mdz_>I'm sure this must be a Qt 3.0 problem because you don't see it
11:03<Chutt>why do so many people mistake MJPEG for MPEG2?
11:03<mdz_>my backend blows up constantly with this kind of thing
11:03<mdz_>when doing programinfo stuff in the frontend
11:04<Chutt>heh
11:04<Chutt>yeah, upgrade
11:05<Chutt>so, i think i may look into adding support for the neuros to mythmusic
11:05<mdz_>I really like that unit
11:05<mdz_>I am planning to buy one once it supports vorbis
11:05<Chutt>my only real problem with it is that it looks/feels rather cheap
11:05<Chutt>work finally bought me one =)
11:07<mdz_>nice
11:07<mdz_>but you have to use mp3 or wma, no?
11:07<mdz_>ohh, they have a vorbis beta
11:07<Chutt>mp3 only for now
11:07<Chutt>but the beta firmware that i'm using has preliminary vorbis support
11:08<Chutt>but doesn't play back anything higher than -q4
11:08<Chutt>without audio breakups
11:08<mdz_>yeah, looking at the page now
11:08<Chutt>and all my music's ripped at -q7
11:08<mdz_>what kind of cpu does the thing have?
11:08<mdz_>yeah, I don't use below q6
11:08<Chutt>general purpose dsp
11:08<mdz_>so it's using the tremor stuff?
11:09<Chutt>yeah, a variant of that
11:09<mdz_>is there source available for the firmware?
11:09<Chutt>i believe so
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11:09<Chutt>though, i believe you need some very expensive tools to roll your own firmware
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11:10<mdz_>I am thinking about getting one now that vorbis support is actually happening
11:10<Chutt>$400
11:10<mdz_>but I wouldn't want to get stuck with it if the vorbis stuff got derailed
11:10<mdz_>they have a low-end unit for $199 it says
11:10<Chutt>128MB, no radio tuner
11:11<mdz_>yeah, I'm not too thrilled about the radio tuner
11:11<Chutt>so you couldn't play with my stuff :p
11:11<Chutt>though, i guess it still has a mic
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11:11<mdz_>you can add the 20GB drive to the 128MB unit, right?
11:11<Chutt>yeah
11:12<Chutt>that's what i have -- the normal 128MB unit with an extra 20GB drive
11:12<Chutt>$400 for the bundle
11:12<Chutt>well, $300 if you want to use the $100 rebate, but it's a rebate or a free usb-2 upgrade
11:12<Chutt>and i went with the upgrade for when that comes out
11:14<mdz_>is that a software upgrade or a hardware upgrade?
11:14<Chutt>hardware
11:14<Chutt>http://www.neurosaudio.com/community/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1249
11:15<Chutt>that's unrelated
11:15<Chutt>the upgrade is a 'send in the 20GB backback, we'll upgrade it for you' type deal in october
11:16<mdz_>ah
11:18<mdz_>does the backpack feel OK? attach securely and all that? it looks a little flimsy from the photos
11:18<Chutt>it's very firmly attached
11:18<Chutt>i had problems swapping the 128MB and the 20GB ones, even
11:18<Chutt>very tight fit
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11:20<Chutt>it is rather big, though
11:20<Chutt>and i haven't used it at all under linux
11:22<bline>'mornin
11:23<Chutt>hey
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11:55<alkern>morning, any gentoo users here? and/or anyone that has split backend from frontend?
11:58<jkolb>I am a gentoo user, but I run frontend and backend on the same machine.
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12:03<alkern>ok...I'm going to make another ebuild and get it into portage that is frontend-only
12:05<alkern>i just wanted to make sure i was removing enough/not too much stuff when installing
12:06<Chutt>mythfrontend binary, qt-mysql
12:06<Chutt>is all it should need
12:07<jkolb>libmyth and libmythtv too, right?
12:07<Chutt>libmyth
12:07<Chutt>and all the stuff that gets installed into prefix/share and prefix/lib
12:07<Chutt>libmythtv isn't a standalone library
12:08<mdz_>config files, themes, menus, fonts, mythfrontend*.qm, mythfrontend, mythtv, mythepg, mythprogfind
12:08<mdz_>and the filters
12:08<jkolb>But it's required to watch TV with the frontend, right?
12:08<jkolb>Wait, not standalone.
12:08<jkolb>Just ignore me.
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12:12<alkern>mdz_: perfect, thats what I got
12:12<alkern>i just blow away setup, transcode, backend, filldatabase, and commflag
12:24<jhurliman>hmm where is thor, i want to patch up his mythdvd
12:24<Chutt>he's way out of country
12:24<jhurliman>ahh
12:25<jhurliman>is anyone else running s/pdif output under linux?
12:25<jkolb>Does it count if I wish I were?
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12:34<jhurliman>jkolb: i was just wondering how other soundcards and other setups worked
12:35<jhurliman>i'm using a zoltrix nightingale, which has been great so far (except myth prints out "soundcard isnt returning correct free space" or something)
12:36<jhurliman>how it works, all sound is sent to the digital out, and i have a switch turned on in alsa to bridge that over to a DAC that outputs analog, so i have can do either or
12:37<jhurliman>the only issue is if i turn on raw output (for dolby digital, dts) and have the analog plugged in, not the digital i hear a binary stream turned in to "music"
12:37<jkolb>Heh
12:37<jhurliman>which really isn't an issue at all, but i need to add a switch to mythdvd for "Raw S/PDIF Output", so it knows whether or not to do ac3 passthrough
12:37<jhurliman>when launching xine or whatever
12:38<jkolb>Ah.
12:42<jhurliman>Chutt: when i woke up this morning mythfrontend was froze, no delaying to next trigger messages, about six rebuffering messages and one anomaly.. the "soundcard isn't returning correct free space, falling back to old method" or however that's worded
12:43<Chutt>how new is your cvs checkout again?
12:44<jhurliman>like a week or two old
12:44<Chutt>i really would just upgrade
12:44<Chutt>and see if you can reproduce with that
12:44<jhurliman>ok
12:45<jhurliman>i got it set up to run inside gdb too, so i can try and get a backtrace next time too
12:47<jhurliman>does cvs compile correctly now? i know there were some issues last night
12:49<Chutt>yeah
12:49<Chutt>it was only for older X installs
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13:19<robertj>Chutt: are we pretty close to .11?
13:21<Chutt>eh, sure
13:22<robertj>"why not"
13:32<jhurliman>how about 1.0 ;)
13:32<robertj>is there a way I can tell what programs are using a given module?
13:32<jhurliman>"fuser libname.so" might do it
13:33<jhurliman>or did you mean kernel module?
13:34<robertj>kernel module
13:40<Chutt>mdz, i dunno, but i tried to fix that channel issue
13:41<robertj>mdz: can you tell me what are you planning on packaging for the next release so I can decide if I should stick with the debs, run cvs, or learn how to right a rules file
13:41<Chutt>he's probably planning on only packaging what he's currently packaging :p
13:41<mdz_>pretty much
13:41<mdz_>I'll probably do mythdvd as well
13:42<robertj>ok, I just wanted to check
13:42<mdz_>Chutt: mythweb2 is going to replace mythweb, right? not coexist with it
13:42<robertj>so that leaves mythweb2, mythgame, mythimages (which I could care less about), mythvideo
13:42<Chutt>yeah
13:42<mdz_>I already do mythweb, so I will be moving to mythweb2
13:42<robertj>is there anything that needs added to mythweb2
13:42<mdz_>and if you mean mythgallery, I already do that as well
13:42<Chutt>mdz, apparently, VIDIOCGCHAN doesn't return the current input
13:42<robertj>oh, gallery, whatever
13:42<mdz_>Chutt: hmm, that would do it
13:42<Chutt>and apparently, there's absolutely no way to -get- the current input
13:43<mdz_>that explains why it was getting reset
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13:43<Chutt>so i'm guessing
13:43<Chutt>but i think what i checked in may fix it
13:43<mdz_>I'll take a look at it tonight
13:43<Chutt>i can't test it without putting something on the input there =)
13:43<mdz_>does it work right in v4l2?
13:43<Chutt>would need to go unplug the gamecube or ps2 or something
13:44<Chutt>well
13:44<Chutt>i think it's the code in NuppelVideoRecorder.cpp
13:44<Chutt>and that bit is v4l-1 only
13:44<jhurliman>should i not be using v4l2? or does v4l1-compat.o make everything ok
13:45<Chutt>i wouldn't trust the bttv 0.9 driver just yet
13:45<jhurliman>well there's a bttv7 that runs on v4l2
13:45<Chutt>there is?
13:45<Chutt>well, there's a line in NVR.cpp that disables v4l2 mode for analog capture
13:46<Chutt>you could remove that and try using v4l2, but i don't think it matters with the compat module
13:47<jhurliman>besides i lose color/hue/contrast adjustments in myth with bttv9
13:47<jhurliman>all say -1
13:47<Chutt>heh
13:48<bline>why
13:48<jhurliman>i should just write my own version of v4l + bttv ;)
13:52<jhurliman>Chutt: how do you take screenshots of myth?
13:52<Chutt>magic
13:52<Chutt>heh
13:52<Chutt>ksnapshot
13:52<mdz_>Chutt: that "green/static screen w/current CVS" thread would seem to agree with your guess
13:52<Chutt>for the tv stuff, if you make it use the video blitter instead of the video overlay, you can get a shot of that
13:53<Chutt>with nvidia cards, at least
13:53<mdz_>since those guys were using S-video only, so they would have been switched to an input they weren't using
13:53<jhurliman>okie cool
13:53<Chutt>or you can use 'NO_XV=1 mythtv'
13:53<Chutt>to use the XShm fallback, but that's really slow
13:53<Chutt>mdz, yeah
13:53<Chutt>that email's what made me think 'bout it more
13:53<mdz_>Chutt: any particular reason it doesn't set the input and channel when starting live tv?
13:54<Chutt>it just keeps it to what it was on before
13:54<Chutt>i guess it could set it
13:54<mdz_>in fact, it assumes it is what it was before
13:54<Chutt>but that wouldn't have fixed this particular problem
13:54<mdz_>right
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14:10<Chutt>heh
14:10<Chutt>hey
14:10<vektor>hi
14:10<Chutt>i had a v4l question, but i figured it out
14:10<vektor>oh
14:11<vektor>darn
14:14<jhurliman>Chutt: i'm browsing through NuppelVideoPlayer right now, if i still have problems should I try turning on experimental A/V sync? it looks like it could fix things or make them worse
14:15<Chutt>yup
14:15<jhurliman>it should be able to use nVidia polling since this board has an integrated geforce2
14:15<Chutt>yup
14:17<Chutt>vektor, basically, i was trying to figure out why it was resetting my inputs on me, but then i realized that VIDIOCGCHAN doesn't return the current input
14:18<mikegrb>VIDIOCSYNC0: Invalid argument
14:18<mikegrb>VIDIOCSYNC1: Invalid argument
14:18<mikegrb>Changing from None to RecordingOnly
14:18<mikegrb>2003-08-07 14:00:00 backend still changing state, waiting..
14:18<mikegrb>Changing from RecordingOnly to None
14:19<Chutt>so it works?
14:19<mikegrb>Chutt looks like it worked but it didn't print the error message... oh that was my code though not yours, yours should be better
14:19<mikegrb>well sort of
14:20<Chutt>they don't go to the log
14:20<Chutt>well, i dunno
14:20<Chutt>they get printed out to stderr
14:20<mikegrb>the program it was supposed to be recording was on from 1-2 this happened right at 1 and it doesn't do the Chaning from RecordingOnly to None until 2 when its time for the next
14:20<mikegrb>let me check something real quick though
14:21<mikegrb>ah, std err
14:21<mikegrb>would it be possible to make std err get redirected to the log, I thought it already did
14:23<mikegrb>my hr long recording that it messed up on is 11.2 mb so it aborted, and didn't fill the longs and what not... wish I had cought it sooner so I could check cpu usage
14:23<mikegrb>II guess next step for me is to understand how the recording works and try to make it give it another go, the next recording is doing just fine
14:23<mikegrb>s/long/log
14:24<mikegrb>anyway got to go find a record in the archives
14:25<mdz_>vektor: where are my debs?
14:25<vektor>mdz: I think coleSLAW is done exams this week.
14:26<vektor>Look, honestly I don't know what to do about it.
14:26<vektor>Please ask him.
14:26<vektor>I want my debs too.
14:26<mdz_>I and at least one other person practically fell over ourselves offering to help him and he turned us aside
14:26<mdz_>you read the wnpp bug
14:26<vektor>Yeah.
14:27<vektor>Well, I don't know what to do.
14:27<vektor>He's a friend of mine.
14:27<Chutt>mdz, steal the package
14:27<mdz_>Chutt: I don't see how I can steal it if it doesn't exist yet
14:27<Chutt>you don't want to do the packaging?
14:28<mdz_>not particularly, but I want to see it in Debian enough that I would do it
14:28<Chutt>vektor, why would i get audio from the tuner input when it's on the s-video in
14:28<Chutt>any ideas? =)
14:28<vektor>Chutt: Yeah, fucking bttv.
14:28<vektor>There seems to be some bugs where this can happen sometimes.
14:28<vektor>Like, it's supposed to mute it when you switch inputs.
14:28<vektor>Sometimes it can break.
14:29<mdz_>I think it should set everything from scratch every time: input, frequency, audio, etc
14:29* vektorback later, off to the airport.
14:29<Chutt>mdz, there's nothing to set the audio
14:29<mdz_>there's mute and level at least
14:29<vektor>Setting input implicitly sets audio, that's why it's a bttv bug.
14:29<mdz_>maybe just kick it hard enough
14:29<vektor>mdz: It doesn't help.
14:29<mdz_>VIDIOCKICK
14:30<vektor>That's why I say it's a bug.
14:30<mdz_>vektor: I agree
14:30<mdz_>but it's a bug that seems to have been around forever9
14:30<mdz_>and I looked at the bttv changelog and there is no hint that it has been fixed at all
14:31<vektor>Well it doesn't happen here.
14:31<vektor>I can't reproduce it at all.
14:31<vektor>But ther'es an open bug report from a tvtime user about it.
14:31<mdz_>vektor: do you have a mythtv setup?
14:31<vektor>They see it all the time.
14:31<vektor>So, ...
14:31<vektor>Not now.
14:31<mdz_>I can reproduce it 100%
14:31<mdz_>with mythtv
14:31* vektorgone back in 2 hrs.
14:32<jhurliman>what about using VIDIOC_G_INPUT and VIDIOC_ENUMINPUT to debug what device you are on, and input.audioset to see if bttv is mapping the tuner audio input to composite/s-video as well as line in?
14:32<Chutt>jhurliman, that's v4l2
14:32<jhurliman>damn
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14:41<jhurliman>Note: for the latest driver snapshots you need cutting edge 2.4.22-pre / 2.6.0-testx kernel patches.
14:41<jhurliman>oops :)
14:43<jhurliman>oh, n/m thats only for yesterday's bttv snapshot
14:44<robertj>sending stuff to adsp is slightly humerous
14:45<robertj>sounds like two drunk rednecks
14:48<jhurliman>what soundcard?
14:49<robertj>via82xx
14:49<robertj>its b0rk under oss emulation as well
14:50<robertj>right now, it gets real slow, and then rushes through all the dropped frames
14:53<jhurliman>hehe
14:57<robertj>oh good greif, the video is good but this chick sounds like a transvestite
15:01<robertj>What could cause that. Video seems at a normal speed but audio is lagging
15:01<robertj>its a consistant lag though
15:04<robertj>what is the native res of the video out from these cards?
15:05<robertj>and now everything is slow but the audio is sinked
15:06<jhurliman>rejoice!!! laptop just showed up
15:07<jhurliman>robertj: 640x480 i think? that's from product descriptions though, i havent done any v4l programming
15:15<robertj>this is bizarre, now its working perfectly except for the low tone
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15:36<thor_>Chutt, you around?
15:36<thor_>have cvs commits for working transcoding in mythdvd ... assuming we are not precisely in the middle of a release ...
15:37<mdz_>thor_: nope
15:37<jhurliman>hey thor_, i was talking about mythdvd earlier this morning
15:37<jhurliman>i want to add a patch to the settings for "Raw S/PDIF Output", which basically just changes the flags that are sent to xine or whatever you are using
15:38<thor_>mdz_, good
15:38<thor_>jhurliman, change your player command?
15:38<jhurliman>so maybe two entries for commands to run, one might be "mplayer %s" and the other "mplayer -ac hwac3 %s"
15:38<mdz_>robertj: just buy a real sound card
15:39<mdz_>you'll be much happier
15:39<jhurliman>thor_: it might not be general purpose enough for everyone, but my product requires it. just thought i'd mention and see if it was something you wanted to add, or if i should do it
15:39<thor_>jhurliman, if you have SPDIF capable, why would you want to play without it (?)
15:40<jhurliman>thor_: not all home theater setups have s/pdif input, so sometimes analog would be used
15:40<thor_>jhurliman, I'm not following you ... you want 2 player commands (?) how does myth decide which one to use ?
15:41<jhurliman>based on a checkbox that says "Raw S/PDIF Output"
15:41<thor_>so .... change your player command ?
15:41<thor_>=)
15:41<jhurliman>like i said it might not be general purpose enough for the main mythdvd branch, since users can change their player command themselves
15:41<jhurliman>but i still have to add it to the product, so i was just checking before i did it myself
15:42<Chutt>thor, commit away =)
15:42<thor_>sorry .. which product (I'm overseas, and am a little out of the loop)
15:42<thor_>and 28.8 dialup sucks
15:42<thor_>Chutt, just updating cvs to make sure there are no hiccups
15:42<jhurliman>thor_: no prob, i haven't made any mention on the mailing lists so its been rather word of mouth. http://www.focustheater.com/
15:43<jhurliman>this laptop didnt come with any sort of manual... am i supposed to let the battery fully charge first or how does that work?
15:47<Chutt>thor, cool =)
15:48<Chutt>mdz, i made a couple other changes (hooked up the gamecube to the svideo-in), seems to work ok now
15:49<Chutt>i had it not changing audio to the proper channel when it started up, but that seems to be ok with my most recent commit
15:50<mdz_>Chutt: could you ever reproduce the audio problem using multiple inputs?
15:50<Chutt>well, that was all i could get it to do incorrectly
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15:51<mikegrb>jhurliman: yes, generally first time you want to charge it fully
15:54<mikegrb>jhurliman: as for your patch I think I understand both of you, as thor_ is saying for a general user, they are either use it or not all of the time so they can just change the player command, for your product the hardware supports it but the users home theater equip will either support it or not and you don't want them having to (or being able to) change the player command
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16:06<thor_>jhurliman, I got you ... you know the box, the soundcard, and the player software in advance ... so yeah ... toggle button makes perfect sense. But it shouldn't be a mythDVD toggle, it should be a myth-wide toggle, no?
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16:10<jhurliman>thor_: yes, i'm going to put it into my own setup module i think
16:11<jhurliman>at the moment, it doesnt have any effect except on DVDs since that's the only place you could get an ac3 stream, but if mythmusic added support for .ac3 at some point, this would come up
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16:12<thor_>well, mythvideo can play back content with AC3, which could well be 5.1
16:17<thor_>Chutt, why does globalsettings take so damn long to build :-(
16:18<jkolb>Use ccache
16:18<Chutt>because g++ sucks
16:18<thor_>ah ... that and a Crusoe
16:19<Chutt>you're probably even swapping
16:19<thor_>nope
16:19<thor_>just ...slow....
16:20<mdz_>it uses a ridiculous amount of memory
16:20<mdz_>I wonder what we can do to alleviate that
16:21<Chutt>not put all those classes and inheritance in the same file
16:21<thor_>ah ... all done ... one quick build check and then I'll commit
16:22<Chutt>cool.
16:23<thor_>Chutt, where are we at on 0.11 ... I'd like to change the title ripping interface (it sucks, and is unusable if you have lots of titles on a disc), but not sure I'll have time?
16:28<thor_>yeah .. commited
16:28<thor_>er,, yah!
16:28<Chutt>you've got as much time as you want
16:28<thor_>k
16:28<thor_>=)
16:28<thor_>I can fiddle with libmyth uitypes ...
16:28<mdz_>Chutt: yeah, it would take less memory if it were split up, but I don't think it would be any faster
16:31<thor_>Got to sign off (phone calls are expensive here), but I'll probably check back in a couple of hours ...
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16:50<mikegrb>Chutt: looking at the diff for the latest commit for NuppleVideoRecorder it looks like there is a typo
16:51<mikegrb>looking at http://cvs.mythtv.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/mythtv/libs/libmythtv/NuppelVideoRecorder.cpp?r1=1.134&r2=1.135
16:51<mikegrb> if (syncerrors > 10)
16:51<mikegrb>cerr << "Multiple bttv errors, further messages supressed\n"
16:51<mikegrb> else if (syncerrors == 10)
16:51<mikegrb> perror("VIDIOCSYNC");
16:52<mikegrb>looks like it will print the "Multiple bttv errors.." message will be repeated every time there is an error after 10
16:53<mikegrb>stuff that coresponded to VIDIOSYNC1 looks right though
16:53<Chutt>fixed in cvs
16:54<mikegrb>:-)
16:54<mikegrb>time to check everything out again... and the new mythdvd :))))
16:54<Chutt>it should recover from the error, now
16:54<mikegrb>:-)
16:55<mikegrb>that would be awesome was just going to ask about the missing encoding = false, saw all the other changes and thought maybe that was where it was going since nothing else was mentioned in the log
16:57<mikegrb>hopefully it will happen again tommorow since it has happened every day since tuesday
17:01<Captain_Murdoch_>jhurliman: you around?
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17:10<jhurliman>Captain_Murdoch: yessir, for a moment
17:10<jhurliman>i'm trying to deal with this windows refund crap
17:10<jhurliman>whats up?
17:11<merf>does myth need v4l to compile?
17:12<merf>i was thinking of compiling cvs on this box, but it doesn't have a tuner
17:12<Captain_Murdoch_>I was getting ready to commit a slightly modified version of your patch and was wondering if you could test on your end. seems to work correctly here once I made a small mod to it would support multiple backends.
17:12<Chutt>captain_murdoch, that the exectv stuff?
17:12<Captain_Murdoch_>merf, don't need a tuner except to record but do need v4l headers to compile the package.
17:12<Captain_Murdoch_>Chutt: yeah.
17:12<Chutt>the v4l headers are included.
17:12<jhurliman>Captain_Murdoch_: i can, but not until about 4:30 since im not at home
17:13<Captain_Murdoch_>4:30 PST/PDT?
17:13<jhurliman>true
17:13<jhurliman>2 hours from now
17:13<Captain_Murdoch_>ok. I might wait to commit until I get home myself then.
17:13<jhurliman>ok, well i'll give it a go too so we can make sure it's working for different setups
17:14<Captain_Murdoch_>Chutt, did you want to see the diff before I commit?
17:15<Chutt>naw, go ahead
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17:19<jhurliman>ok im out
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17:28<Captain_Murdoch_>slightly modified EXECTV patch committed.
17:28<Chutt>cool.
17:29<Captain_Murdoch_>instructions in commit message directing people to the tvmenu.xml file for a commented-out sample button.
17:31<Captain_Murdoch_>the people who need to "download" tv listings using a tuner card can now write a simple wrapper that connects to the backend, locks a local tuner, spawns proram to downloads data, unlocks tuner.
17:32<Captain_Murdoch_>I shouldn't cursor back and edit something in the middle of a message before I send it, I miss letters sometimes. :)
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18:38<mikegrb>Bah!
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19:05<mdz>Chutt: did the unstable upgrade just now
19:05<mdz>Chutt: can't reproduce any of those qt-looking bugs anymore
19:06<mdz>so apparently 3.0 just sucks
19:14<mdz>Chutt: with current CVS, I'm back to the original behaviour with regard to multiple inputs
19:14<mdz>the mismatched audio problem
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19:51<SuperMoco>hi, i'm looking for the ppv.pl file.. to get the directv guid on my systems.. but the link on the docs doesn't seem to work.. anyone have it?
19:54<robertj>Chutt: I'm having better luck with the alsa drivers but things still aren't right. Audio is synced but it is much to low in frequency
19:54<robertj>or pitch I guess
19:55<Captain_Murdoch>SuperMoco: http://www.google.com/search?q=mythtv+ppv.pl&btnG=Search&meta=site%3Dsearch
19:56<SuperMoco>Captain_Murdoch: thank's..but i alredy tried that.. and google just find the original place.. and that server seems to be down..
19:56<SuperMoco>any one have it?? i'll trade it for bber :)
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20:00<Viddy>use the cache, luke
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20:00<Viddy>err, robert
20:01<robertj>Viddy: ?
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20:03<Captain_Murdoch>not in the cache it looks like. ask on the -users list, someone is probably using and can email it to you.
20:04<SuperMoco>Captain_Murdoch: thank's
20:08<robertj>Captain_Murdoch: I think this may be a particular case
20:08<robertj>via82xx is not all that common and pretty messed up it seems
20:09<robertj>of course, I suppose it is possible that all the females on television were replaced overnight with transexuals, that could also explain the change
20:11<SuperMoco>robertj: what's your problem??
20:11<SuperMoco>besides being homofobic :P
20:12<robertj>I'm not homophobic, and even if I was, I'm sure transexuals have their own phobia!
20:12<SuperMoco>hehe.. yea.. maybe you're rigth :D
20:13<SuperMoco>but you say that the voices sound like wiht pitch?
20:14<robertj>SuperMoco: they are all a good bit loewr
20:14<robertj>but they seem synced up
20:15<SuperMoco>mm that looks like a sample problem.. like if your card has 48 khz and you where triing to use it at 44 khz
20:16<robertj>SuperMoco: if I put the sample speed up performance dies
20:16<robertj>not sure why
20:16<robertj>i'v got plenty of oomph under the hood
20:16<SuperMoco>where do you put it??
20:17<robertj>32000
20:18<SuperMoco>i mean, where do you put the number.. in the mythtv settings??
20:18<SuperMoco>have you tried in the insmod??
20:18<robertj>nope
20:18<SuperMoco>which soubnd module do you use
20:19<robertj>via_82xx and the associated audio
20:19<SuperMoco>you got the audio via "line in"..??
20:20<robertj>yeah
20:20<SuperMoco>parm: ac97_clock long array (min = 1, max = 8), description "AC'97 codec clock (default 48000Hz).
20:21<SuperMoco>snd-via82xx is this the module?
20:21<SuperMoco>there's seem to be an option to adjust the sample rate
20:21<robertj>yeah thats the module
20:22<SuperMoco>and it looks like the default is 48 khz
20:22<robertj>btw, putting audio to uncompress also slows it way dooown
20:24<SuperMoco>that's weird..
20:25<SuperMoco>try with the kernel option.. that has to be the fastest aproach.
20:26<robertj>will do in one second
20:28<robertj>Why would setting my sample rate to 48 make it soo slow though
20:28<robertj>its an AMD 2 gig (2400+)
20:29<robertj>what # is for 32000 btw?
20:31<robertj>apparently you can specify the actual value as well as 1-8
20:33<SuperMoco>the sample rate is for the audio.. it has nothing to do with your cpu
20:34<robertj>but why would increasing the sample rate just make everything stutter
20:34<SuperMoco>if you look around.. the cd's has one sample rate.. the mp3 usually has another..
20:34<SuperMoco>the thing is no to increase or decrease.. the idea is that you have to got the same audio sample rate in the sound card and in the app that is accessing the sound card
20:37<robertj>adding ac97_clock=32000 didn't seem to help
20:37<SuperMoco>it has to be the same number that you have in mythtv
20:39<robertj>it is
20:39<SuperMoco>:(
20:39<SuperMoco>have you tryed with xawtv??
20:39<robertj>putting mp3 quality to worse seems to make it slightly better but I can't really tell
20:40<robertj>nahh, but i bet its fine
20:42<robertj>bizzaro, nada
20:42<robertj>I just assumed it was because my mixer values were down
20:45<SuperMoco>if the problem is with the "pitch".. it has to be the sample rate..
20:45<SuperMoco>but i don't know how to fix it in your card.. you have to llok in google for similar configurations..
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20:54<robertj>other programs are saying /dev/dsp does not exist...
20:54<robertj>but xmame has no problem with it, nor oggle
20:59<Chutt>mdz, glad that the qt3.1 stuff fixed it
20:59<Chutt>i really want to just require it, but some people still want that old crap
21:05<robertj>wooh, changed my ac97_clock again and this time it did change...and its reallllllllllllly slow
21:05<robertj>the kde start sound reminds me of being in the womb now
21:06<robertj>only read 0 from 4096 bytes from '/dev/dsp' read audio: Success
21:08<robertj>some success
21:13<mikegrb>Chutt: getting segfaults on mythfrontend startup
21:13<mikegrb>Chutt: cvs of this afternoon... starting up in gdb
21:19<mikegrb>Bah!
21:19<mikegrb>of course it worked in gdb
21:19<tdb30_>could it be a race type condition?
21:20<Chutt>it's more likely a bad dependency
21:20<Chutt>and the make clean to get it into debug mode fixed it.
21:21<mikegrb>Chutt: it was already compiled for debug <g>
21:21<Chutt>eh, whatever
21:22<mikegrb>it didn't start up the first time, had my wife run it in an xterm, ran there, edited .twmrc so it would log all output, logged back in and restarted it ran fine till it went away during playback
21:23<mikegrb>started it up severl times in a row with no success, tried it in xterm... said segfault :/
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21:23<mikegrb>I did a make clean distclean after check out from cvs, seeing as how 80% of the files changed
21:23<jhurliman>Captain_Murdoch: running late here, won't be home til 7:30pst
21:24<jhurliman>did you already commit?
21:24<mikegrb>jhurliman: yes I believe he did
21:24<jhurliman>ok, well i'll just cvs update then at test with that thanks, bye
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21:24<mikegrb>np
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21:37<danc`>hi. is anyone else using native lirc support?
21:37<robertj>native to what?
21:38<danc`>native to myth
21:38<robertj>ohh, I didn't know it supported lirc specifically
21:38<danc`>in cvs, just over the past couple days
21:38<robertj>I thought you were just kinda on your own to whip up something with irxevent
21:38<robertj>ohhh
21:38<robertj>what does it do exactly?
21:39<danc`>err, instead of requiring irxevent, it ties into lircd directly
21:39<danc`>then tries to send the keystrokes to the right place. i think
21:39<robertj>does it have a gui for setting up the remote and stuff?
21:39<danc`>yeah, it's all 3d animated too
21:40<mikegrb>hwh
21:40<mikegrb>heh
21:40<mikegrb>I think that is going to be .12
21:40<danc`>;)
21:41<danc`>it seems to drop a lot of keystrokes for me
21:41<danc`>and when it actually processes them, it's massively slow :/
21:42<mikegrb>I'm planning going to it as my current solution has a 1 sec delay between keypresses
21:42<robertj>im confused...I set the value for my card, and it didn't take effect...then I rebooted and it did
21:42<robertj>after I had already taken it out of modules.conf
21:43<mikegrb>though the one sec is bearable since it is RF, and we have the mythtv output going through an RF modulator and down the cable line so we can watch mythtv in any room
21:44<robertj>we?
21:44<robertj>Tell the truth now...
21:45<robertj>Or is it like at my house when "we" do things together ;)
21:45<mikegrb>no, mythtv is one of the few projects my wife likes
21:46<robertj>Roaming user profiles was the big winner here
21:47<mikegrb>I messed with it but couldn't get it to function with 3 computers running xp professional but no domain controller
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21:47<robertj>mikegrb: I put up a PDC using samba 3
21:47<mikegrb>we now only have one win pc anyway, for my wife to play the sims
21:47<robertj>which is ironically a game that plays fine under wine
21:48<Timon>robertj: samba 3 is out?
21:49<mikegrb>I even have winex, had problems getting it to install under winex due to multiple cd's ... mount the first one, run setup in wine, it prompts for 2nd cd, can't unmount to change :<
21:49<robertj>well 2.9pre43243
21:49<robertj>or whatever
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21:50<Timon>Hmm, I may have to update again. I never could get my samba box to be the pdc for my xp box. My w2k box it worked fine for. Did all the hacks that were needed to make it work for xp. . .
21:52<robertj>eventually they worked
21:52<robertj>I cheated though, I backported the debs from sid to woody
21:53<Timon><- freebsd
21:56<mikegrb>so if something is running in gdb and it freezes and you can't alt+tab to get to gdb b/c of a stupid window manager can you kill it and still get a back-trace?
21:56<Chutt>nope
21:56<Chutt>run gdb on an actual console
21:57<mikegrb>okay
21:57<mikegrb>gotcha
21:57<mikegrb>makes sense <g> should have thought of that, so used to this just being a mythtv only box
22:00<mdz>Chutt: myth builds on ia64 now =)
22:08<Snow-Man>haha
22:12<mikegrb>Chutt: sorry for my extreme stupidity, I'm not certain but I may have forgotten to run ./configure... would it even compile w/o configure running?
22:15<Chutt>mdz, debian box?
22:15<mdz>Chutt: it runs debian, yes
22:16<Chutt>i'd be more surprised if it ran
22:16<Chutt>i'm sure there's lots of crap in there that isn't 64-bit clean
22:16<mdz>I'm going to try it tomorrow when I'm in front of it
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22:18<Chutt>heh
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22:39* robertjgives up hope of swapping out sound cards without taking his whole myth box apart :(
22:39<PktLoss>What does Session management error: authentication rejected, reason: none of the authentication protocolss specified are support..... Mean/how can i fix it?
22:40<robertj>PktLoss: what user is kdm/gdm/whatever running as?
22:41<PktLoss>robertj how can i check that/
22:41<robertj>start up an xterm and type whoami
22:42<PktLoss>how do i start an xterm vs a terminal (i am running gnome)
22:42<robertj>gnome-terminal then, whatever
22:42<PktLoss>it just gives my my username back
22:42<robertj>well, what's your username
22:42<PktLoss>paul
22:43<robertj>are you trying to run an x program from a user other than paul?
22:43<robertj>because it's not going to allow that
22:43<PktLoss>i started the backend as paul
22:43<robertj>and it gave you that message?
22:43<PktLoss>i havent started the front end yet
22:43<PktLoss>correct
22:44<PktLoss>i beleive i compiled it as root however
22:44<PktLoss>no wait
22:44<PktLoss>my bad
22:44<PktLoss>i started it as root
22:45<robertj>shouldn't matter should it?
22:45<robertj>i mean you want to make sure to run it as a user that belongs to myth's group
22:45<robertj>but root is in ever group so...
22:46<PktLoss>okay
22:46<PktLoss>i cahnged the /var/lib/mthtv dir to 777 and the lock file to 777 as well, and i started with no error
22:46<PktLoss>(as paul)
22:47<PktLoss>However, running the front end, i try to watch tv. And i just get a black screen.
22:48<PktLoss>Which was my original problem
22:48<PktLoss>xawtv works, so i dont think its the card. Though my setup may be faulty
22:49<mikegrb>is your sound setup?
22:49<PktLoss>i hear nothing.
22:49<PktLoss>But i can watch TV in xawtv, or watch DVDs fine with full sound
22:50<vektor>xawtv is such a bad comparison.
22:50<vektor>Use tvtime. ;)
22:50<mikegrb>are you using oss or alsa?
22:50<PktLoss>it uses the same input, and gives the desired output. and ive used it.
22:50<PktLoss>mikegrb i dont know what either of those are.
22:50<vektor>PktLoss: You've used tvtime?
22:51<mikegrb>PktLoss: for your sound card
22:51<PktLoss>vektor no just xawtv
22:51<vektor>PktLoss: Oh.
22:51<PktLoss>mikegrb How can i check, I am using whatever the RH 9 install gave me
22:51<mikegrb>look in /etc/modules.conf
22:52<PktLoss>alias sound-slot-0 em10k1, post install sound-slot0 /bin/aumix/minimal - f...
22:52<PktLoss>What should i be looking for
22:53<mikegrb>that looks like oss to me, one sec
22:55<PktLoss>sure
22:55<mikegrb>what sound card do you have?
22:56<PktLoss>hmm, sound blaster live value IIRC
22:56<mikegrb>you might want to read through this thread: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/perl/mailarc/gforum.cgi?post=71482;search_string=em10k1;guest=969876&t=search_engine#71482
22:56<mikegrb>scroll up to the top and start there
22:56<vektor>And you should ditch xawtv for tvtime.
22:56<bigguy>true dat
22:57<mikegrb>it is someone who is using rh9 with a sound blaster live, a large contributing factor to his problems was using xawtv instead of tvtime
22:57<Chutt>pktloss, look for errors on the console you ran mythfrontend and mythbackend from.
22:57<PktLoss>OHH umm, when i start to try to watch TV the backend crashes with the error ERROR opening file 'var/cache/mythtv//ringbug1.nuv' in threadFileWriter
22:57<mikegrb>strike that last bit about tvtime ;) though it is nice
22:57<Chutt>it doesn't crash.
22:57<Chutt>it exits.
22:58<mikegrb>heh
22:58<PktLoss>vektor why are you in this channel if you keep pushing other software?
22:58<mikegrb>tvtime and myth don't do the same thing
22:59<PktLoss>Chutt okay, it exits with that error, and leaves the front end frozen
22:59<mdz>PktLoss: you didn't read the README.Debian
22:59<Chutt>so, fix the problem
22:59<Chutt>and then try again.
22:59<PktLoss>Why would i have read the readme.debian? Wouldnt it make more sense to read the readme.redhat?
22:59<Chutt>why do people always ignore the error messages i make it print out?
23:00<PktLoss>Chutt I was distracted by the large black screen that wouldnt go away?
23:00<Chutt>seems really silly for me to even bother if people don't even look at them.
23:00<PktLoss>is the double slash the error?
23:00<Chutt>no
23:00<Chutt>the missing slash at the beginning is.
23:01<PktLoss>the missing slash at the begining was a typo on my part
23:01<Chutt>which you didn't type in, apparently.
23:01<Chutt>then it can't write to that directory.
23:01<mdz>the RPMs use /var/{cache,lib}/mythtv? hmm
23:01<Chutt>mdz, axel copied your debs pretty closely
23:02<Chutt>which is probably a good thing =)
23:02<Chutt>though he doesn't handle db stuff
23:03<Chutt>you're the only packager that didn't punt on db upgrades =)
23:04<PktLoss>cool, ive got sound now
23:04<mdz>I wonder whether it actually makes it simpler
23:04<mdz>so many people manage to screw it up
23:04<mdz>the initial setup anyway
23:04<Chutt>mdz, db stuff's going in the program post 0.11
23:05<mdz>yeah, heard you say that the other day
23:05<mdz>that's the easy part, really
23:05<mdz>about 4 lines in the postinst for each version upgrade
23:05<Chutt>one less step
23:06<mdz>the mysql maintainer relented and now mysql-server defaults to starting automatically
23:06<Chutt>going to have it try to connect without a password, then prompt if that doesn't work
23:06<Chutt>etc
23:06<mdz>so I should be able to demoronize the instructions a bit more
23:06<mdz>hmm, that'd be nice if it could run without any config file
23:07<Chutt>well
23:07<Chutt>i'll still have mysql.txt, i suppose
23:07<Chutt>kinda need that
23:07<Chutt>especially for remote access
23:07<mdz>but for a local db with no password, it should be able to be optional
23:08<Chutt>if not found, do local only access?
23:08<Chutt>i even pondered switching to sqlite or whatnot, but that'd require me writing a network abstraction library
23:09<Chutt>and i didn't really want to reimplement all that =)
23:09<mdz>that's the one that GPE uses, right?
23:09<Chutt>think so
23:09<Chutt>it's just a lib
23:09<Chutt>no access controls
23:09<Chutt>but i think it's able to be multi-threaded from a single app
23:09<mdz>probably slower than mysql
23:10<Chutt>eh, they say it's faster
23:10<Chutt>for some things
23:10<mdz>for small dbs maybe
23:10<Chutt>but i really didn't want to write an abstraction layer for it
23:10<mdz>since presumably it doesn't have a protocol
23:10<Chutt>so remote stuff could access it
23:10<mdz>it just does direct file access, right?
23:10<Chutt>yeah
23:11<Chutt>or i could just write my own little server for everything
23:11<Chutt>but, really, that's a tad overboard
23:12<mdz>sqlrelay could be a network layer for sqlite
23:12<mdz>I've never used it
23:21<PktLoss>what are the keyboard shortcuts to change channels and the like, it started, played sound, and a blank screen
23:21<mikegrb>Chutt: the V4L API looks pretty straight forward, thank you for your sugestion of just writing something myself
23:21<Chutt>pktloss, there's an error on the frontend console.
23:21<PktLoss>no theres not, theres no console.
23:22<Chutt>whereever you ran the frontend from.
23:22<PktLoss>i clicked on the icon
23:22<Chutt>don't do that until you get things running.
23:24<PktLoss>hmm
23:25<PktLoss>open: no such file or directory (liek 20 times)
23:25<Chutt>you didn't read the docs at all, did you?
23:25<PktLoss>I did
23:25<Chutt>when you first run mythfrontend, you need to go through the settings section.
23:25<Chutt>you didn't do that.
23:26<PktLoss>When you start mythfrontend, you should have a number of choices. Before doing anything, go to TV, then to Setup and configure the frontend client.
23:26<Chutt>it's just 'setup' now, of course.
23:26<Chutt>but that should be pretty obvious.
23:27<PktLoss>I have been through these screens. Obviously i should have changed something i didnt
23:27<Chutt>you at the very least need to go into the general section and configure your sound output device.
23:27<Chutt>you didn't do that
23:28<Chutt>which is why the first error (before the open: no such file or directory) was something like "Opening OSS audio device ''."
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23:28<courtlr>Chutt: When is .11 coming out?
23:28<Chutt>whenever i decide to put it out
23:30<PktLoss>Chutt how do i exit myth front end?
23:30<Chutt>you go into the general setup section and configure a shutdown key
23:31<courtlr>Is their going to be power management features in .11?
23:31<Chutt>power management features?
23:31<courtlr>Like poweroff, and settings a BIOS wakeup time?
23:32<Chutt>you can make it shutdown
23:32<PktLoss>How can i tell what /dev/dsp* my sound card is, that information doesnt show anywhere else.
23:32<mikegrb>gosh
23:32<Chutt>the automatic wakeup stuff wasn't ever finished, and i have no intention of doing that myself
23:32<mikegrb>ls -l /dev/dsp*
23:32<Chutt>pktloss, just use /dev/dsp
23:33<courtlr>After a recording has ended?
23:33<Chutt>courtlr, not automatically, no
23:33<courtlr>ok
23:34<PktLoss>That is what I am using, and restarting the client gives the same error message as before
23:34<Chutt>did you go through the entire wizard section and hit finish?
23:34<PktLoss>i did
23:34<Chutt>did you type in the dsp name, or use the arrow keys
23:34<PktLoss>However, the audio from the first run is still playing
23:34<PktLoss>I used the arrow keys
23:34<Chutt>it's not playing any audio.
23:35<Chutt>you're hearing the pass through
23:35<PktLoss>okay
23:35<mikegrb>PktLoss: are you sure you even glanced at the docs on the website?
23:35<Chutt>allright, that's all the free tech support i'm doing tonight
23:35<Chutt>there's mailing list archives which would've answered pretty much everything you've asked so far
23:35<mikegrb>PktLoss: that specifically is mentioned in the docs
23:36<mikegrb>PktLoss: OSS and ALSA have entire sections, you didn't even know what they are
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23:39<PktLoss>The title Setting up ALSA and the mixer i skipped, I would wait untill i had both audio and video before worrying about sync, volume, and the like
23:39<mikegrb>it isn't optional
23:39<mikegrb>without going through there you have no audio at allo
23:39<mikegrb>and without audio it wont even try to do video
23:42<PktLoss>The non alsa instructions are short. And didn't involve changing anything.
23:45<PktLoss>the backend setup, and database fill for the xmltv went perfectly
23:45<mikegrb>you still have to setup up the mixer settings rather you use alsa or oss
23:46<PktLoss>I did the graphical set up with OSS, volumes and mutes were already as recomended
23:46<mikegrb>obviously not if you are hearing sound after exiting mythtv
23:47<PktLoss>i forcibly ended the program with gnome
23:47<mikegrb>then you wouldn't hear sound
23:47<mikegrb>no matter how you ended it
23:48<mikegrb>sound would not continue if you followed the directions
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23:50<PktLoss>Hmm
23:51<PktLoss>okay
23:51<PktLoss>Can i suggest a note (You should be muting, and selecting record for the port that the audio is connected). As it seems counter-intuitive
23:53<mikegrb>"Make sure your global volume (on the far left) is up. Also make sure that the "line in" section has "mute" and "record" checked and that the gain is turned up. "
23:54<mikegrb>seems plenty clear to me
23:54<PktLoss>Which assumes that you have it plugged into line in
23:55<mikegrb>it address it not being there
23:56<PktLoss>It was just a suggestion, take it as you will.
23:56<courtlr>Any suggestion on how to download the cvs on a windows machine and then be able to get it to compile on my myth box?
23:57<mikegrb>courtlr: I think there are probably cvs clients for windows, there is also a view cvs link on the web but that might not be too helpful... just a sec
23:58<courtlr>The cvs client for windows writes file in the DOS format, and it wont compile on linux
23:59<PktLoss>courtlr could you use an editor like UltraEdit to save them back in unix format
23:59<mikegrb>courtlr: just a sec