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00:01<PktLoss>Hmm, I think my PC may be to slow to use this, and its a SCSII drive so DMA isnt going to come into it
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00:03<danc`>does anyone use qt 3.2?
00:03<courtlr>not yet.
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00:07<PktLoss>I never really liked triallan's irc client
00:07<PktLoss>Though i am enjoying the Beta2 client from them for the IM stuff
00:07<courtlr>I had to install windows agian and I am too lazy to download mirc on dial up agian
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00:08<courtlr>mikegrb: what am I holding on sec for?
00:09<PktLoss>courtlr if your so inclined, and you give me the command, i could download the cvs version on my linux box. tar it, and send it to you
00:09<courtlr>mike told me that he would do it for me
00:10<PktLoss>k
00:10<courtlr>thank-you for offering
00:10<Chutt>danc, should be fine if you're using the 'blue' theme
00:10<courtlr>Chutt: did you ever make the visor the default theme?
00:11<Chutt>no.
00:11<Chutt>maybe later.
00:11<courtlr>ok
00:11<PktLoss>Are there any CPU hungry features i can turn off (ie, would reducing the delay or something help). I like the front end a lot more than xawtv for just normal viewing
00:27<courtlr>thanks mike
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01:36<Timon>damn mysql 3 not supporting subselects
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01:48<Chutt>http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS7875220149.html
01:49<Chutt>last bullet
01:49<mikegrb>aye cap'n
01:50<mikegrb>:-)
01:50<Chutt>not really sure what they're doin, but..
01:51* mikegrbis backing up his xbox harddrive
01:51<Chutt>just goin through my referrer logs
01:51<mikegrb>oic
02:16<Timon>woot! the lcd overhaul is that much closer! Perfected the menuing code!
02:20<Chutt>cool.
02:22<Timon>Its got support for item scrolling if its longer then lcdWidth - 3 on an individual item basis. Its prety neat.
02:23<Timon>Most of the changes are geared more towards displays with more than 2 lines. Though I have compatability for 2 line displays
02:23<bigguy>hmm
02:23<bline>mmh
02:24<bigguy>I wonder if my vfd and lcd's are supported
02:24<bigguy>lo bline
02:24<Timon>bigguy: Does it work under lcdproc?
02:24<bline>afternoon
02:24<bigguy>Timon: no idea
02:24<bigguy>that's why I said I wonder
02:24<Timon>bigguy: whats the make/model etc
02:25<bigguy>dunno off hand
02:25<bigguy>they are still boxed up from my move back home
02:25<Timon>do you know who makes them? Matrix Orbital?
02:25<bigguy>gonna be moving off to school in a few weeks so
02:25<bigguy>no they are hitachi I think
02:25<bigguy>HD44 something
02:25<Timon>bah, skool. I get to start later this month
02:26<bigguy>maybe
02:26<bigguy>the 26th is the first day for me
02:26<Timon>25 for me
02:27<bigguy>ghosting a harddrive image to cdr is fun </sarcasm>
02:28<Timon>bigguy: The hd44780 is supported
02:29<bigguy>yeah that's it
02:29<bigguy>not sure about the vfd's
02:30<bigguy>I know all the lcd's I have are hd44780 though
02:30<Timon>you should get the cwlinux one. Its really nice and polished
02:31<bigguy>cwlinux one what?
02:31<Timon>lcd
02:31<bigguy>but that takes money
02:31<bigguy>I don't have any
02:31<bigguy>:)
02:31<Timon>heh
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02:37<bigguy>I wish I had a spindle of these cdr pros
03:08<jhurliman>bigguy: what do you use to ghost hard drive images?
03:09<bigguy>in ghost or Trueimage
03:09<bigguy>arg
03:09<bigguy>-in
03:10<bigguy>there's supposed to be an opensource one but I've not seen it
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03:19<bline>parted is nice
03:35<Chutt>well, this bites
03:35<bigguy>what's up, Chutt ?
03:36<Chutt>see my email to the -dev list
03:37<bigguy>ok I'll check it out later
03:37<bigguy>not able to atm
03:38<bline>the sched_yield email?
03:38<Chutt>no
03:38<Chutt>what i just sent =)
03:38<bline>not here yet
03:42<bline>ahh, just got here
03:42<bline>I'll be sure and not upgrade :)
03:44<bigguy>hmm
03:44<bigguy>must be bad
03:59<hadees>just my own curiosity but what distros do you guys use
03:59<hadees>with mythtv that is
04:03<bigguy>debian
04:04<bigguy>as does chutt
04:04<bigguy>and mdz
04:04<bigguy>bline is a gentoo user I believe
04:04<bline>yeah
04:05<bline>not for the faint of heart
04:05<bigguy>or for the lacking of processor/ram on a build system
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10:37-!-Topic for #mythtv is http://www.MythTV.org/
10:37-!-Topic for #mythtv set by Timon at Sun Aug 3 20:08:51
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11:13<chmod_700>morning anyone?
11:15<Chutt>mdz, changes were mainly in the source bits
11:16<chmod_700>morning Chutt
11:16<mdz_>Chutt: what changes?
11:16<Chutt>the vblank stuff
11:17<mdz_>oh, did you release 0.11 or something?
11:17<mdz_>or did I miss a previous message from you?
11:17<chmod_700>so don't upgrade nvidia drivers?
11:17<mdz_>oh, you were talking about the nvidia driver
11:17<Chutt>yeah
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11:18<chmod_700>is mythtv.org down or is it my DNS?
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11:22<chmod_700>still down here
11:22<Chutt>wow, you're observant
11:23<chmod_700>eh?
11:24<chmod_700>just trying to help
11:24<chmod_700>no reason to be a dick
11:24<Chutt>i always get a dozen or so people emailing me whenever there's a problem with one of the services i provide
11:24<Chutt>it's really damn annoying
11:24<chmod_700>i get the same thing, comes with the territory
11:25<chmod_700>being a dick to users is no way to handle it though
11:25<Chutt>then don't do it
11:25<chmod_700>don't be a jerk
11:25<chmod_700>you didnt reply to the original message
11:25<chmod_700>just making sure you got it
11:25<chmod_700>jesus dude, you got a chip on your shoulder
11:26<Chutt>sure, whatever
11:26<chmod_700>vacation time maybe?
11:26<Chutt>naw
11:26<Chutt>i should just ignore dumbasses
11:26<chmod_700>whoa
11:27<chmod_700>so im dumb because i told you your website is down?
11:27<chmod_700>trying to do you a favor and you go off on me?
11:27<Chutt>no, you're dumb for continuing to babble on in here
11:27<chmod_700>you're keeping up nicely
11:27<chmod_700>you're a stupidhead!
11:27<chmod_700></done>
11:27<Chutt>well, what i really should do is bother to op myself
11:28<Chutt>so i can remove people that annoy me
11:28<chmod_700>yea that would be testament to your infinite maturity
11:28<Chutt>yup
11:28<chmod_700>just ban people that make you look at what a dick you are
11:28<Chutt>this is _my_ channel
11:28<chmod_700>oooooohhhhhh
11:28<Chutt>dude, i'm an asshole
11:28<chmod_700>go for it hotshot
11:28<chmod_700>apparently
11:28<Chutt>no ifs ands or buts about it
11:28<Chutt>freely admitted
11:29<chmod_700>why do open source if you don't have any patience with people?
11:29<Chutt>because most people aren't morons
11:29<chmod_700>how do you figure?
11:29<chmod_700>i just think its funny that you think i'm subpar intelligence because i told you your site was down
11:30<Chutt>i said 'wow, you're observant'
11:30<Chutt>did you think i hadn't noticed it was down?
11:30<chmod_700>a simple thx would have been so much more productive
11:30<chmod_700>i don't know
11:30<chmod_700>i don't always notice when my sites go down
11:30<Chutt>it's been gone for, what, a little over an hour now
11:30<chmod_700>'wow, you're observant' is a sarcastic stab
11:31<chmod_700>how was I to know?
11:31<chmod_700>i just tried it
11:31<Chutt>exactly.
11:31<chmod_700>instead of saying 'i know' or 'k thanks' or 'got it' you decide to be a dick
11:31<chmod_700>i'm just wondering why?
11:31<radsaq>what are you guys 3 years old or something?
11:31<Chutt>yeah
11:31<chmod_700>im almost 4!
11:31<radsaq>I think it's time out time!
11:32<chmod_700>i guess i need a nap
11:32<Chutt>chmod_700, if you don't like the way i act, feel free to leave.
11:32<chmod_700>anyways, you got a good thing going here dude, but being a jerk to users isn't gonna help your project
11:33<Chutt>why do i care about users?
11:33<chmod_700>that attitude is childish as shit, you can't ban people from real life
11:33<chmod_700>why open source it if you don't care?
11:33<Chutt>because i'm doing this for fun, and annoying people don't make it fun?
11:34<chmod_700>Well have fun with your yes-men, and shitty attitude
11:34<Chutt>i do
11:34<chmod_700>feel free to ban me whenever
11:34<Chutt>why should i bother?
11:34<chmod_700>probably makes your anus pucker with pride
11:34<Chutt>you may eventually contribute something
11:34<jkolb>Will one of you call the other a Nazi, please, so this conversation can end?
11:34<Chutt>i highly doubt it, but, whatever
11:35<chmod_700>you guys agree that he is a dick right?
11:35<chmod_700>they probably won't say anything, but they are thinking it
11:35<Chutt>i agree than i'm a dick
11:35<chmod_700>cool
11:35<chmod_700>there's a start
11:35<Chutt>i don't think you need help from the peanut gallery.
11:35<radsaq>I agree that he's probably laughing his ass off right now
11:35<chmod_700>me too
11:36<radsaq>at your expense
11:36<chmod_700>no cash out of my pocket
11:36<radsaq>and you shoulda shut up about 5 minutes ago instead of having taken the bait
11:37<chmod_700>looks like it
11:37<chmod_700>i just don;t like being talking to like a jerk
11:37<chmod_700>talked*
11:37<Chutt>i don't like people that waste my time.
11:37<chmod_700>how did i waste your time?
11:38<Chutt>well, for one, you started arguing with me
11:38<chmod_700>you learned a valuable lesson in this young grasshopper
11:38<Chutt>what, i should just ignore people completely?
11:38<chmod_700>i don;t know what the lesson is
11:38<chmod_700>sure ignore people
11:39<chmod_700>so anyway's what's the story with the nvidia driver?
11:39<Chutt>no more vblank information in the latest version
11:39<chmod_700>do refreshing gets wonky?
11:40<Chutt>yeah
11:40<Chutt>before, i could have it wake me up every refresh of the screen
11:40<chmod_700>lets take some aggression out on their techs
11:40<chmod_700>that;s cool
11:40<chmod_700>im using a geforce2 card with experimental sync and it rules
11:40<Chutt>but using the same technique on the new driver only notifies you every 60 ms or so
11:40<Chutt>exactly
11:40<chmod_700>even on my shitty duron 750
11:40<Chutt>super smooth playback
11:41<chmod_700>yea
11:41<Chutt>and if the refresh is every 16 ms, but you're only getting notified every 60
11:41<Chutt>and you assume that what it's telling you is right, things don't exactly work out right
11:41<chmod_700>well at least nvidia is still releasing drivers all the time, we could be stuck with some reference deal they made in 1998
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11:42<chmod_700>im getting a pundit in the mail today, so i have to give up nvidia anyways *shrug*
11:42<chmod_700>sure sucks for the nvidia people though
11:42<Chutt>eh, it's not that hard to downgrade
11:42<Chutt>or just not upgrade
11:42<chmod_700>what supposed features do the newer driver have?
11:43<Chutt>support for the newest card
11:43<chmod_700>fx series is a marketing ploy
11:43<Chutt>some random bugfixes
11:43<chmod_700>my geforce2pro is faster than a fx5600
11:43<Chutt>heh
11:44<chmod_700>the card is 2.5 years old
11:45<mdz_>the experimental sync stuff works with geforce2 cards?
11:45<Chutt>yeah
11:45<chmod_700>yea it works awesome
11:45<mdz_>hmm, that's what I have
11:45<Chutt>should work with any nvidia card
11:45<Chutt>as long as you're not running the newest driver =)
11:45<Chutt>oh, it probably doesn't do the nv driver
11:45<Chutt>which you probably use
11:46<mdz_>right, but I could find out if it could
11:46<mdz_>what's the "DRM vblank" type?
11:46<Chutt>dunno what that works on
11:47<Chutt>that's vektor's code
11:49<chmod_700>is anyone working on a myth security modules (for home security monitoring)?
11:49<Chutt>not to my knowledge
11:49<chmod_700>i have a par-port based door monitor i use a perl script to poll
11:49<chmod_700>it would be cool to build a tv interface to monitor, arm, disarm it
11:50<chmod_700>and since myth is on the web it could page me, or call cops etc...
11:50<chmod_700>i could have it page you Chutt :P
11:50<Chutt>heh
11:51<chmod_700>wonder if there would be any interest
11:51<Chutt>there's plenty of people on the mailing lists
11:51<Chutt>i'm sure someone would be interested
11:51<chmod_700>is that too far from the sight of the mythbox?
11:51<chmod_700>the vision i should say
11:52<chmod_700>it would just be convenient to have it all remote controlled on the tv
11:52<Chutt>i don't care what random plugins there are, really
11:52<chmod_700>cool
11:53<chmod_700>it would be cool to make an answering machine out of it too, with a voice modem
11:53<chmod_700>then you could use the remote to go thru calls, etc...
11:53<chmod_700>but I don't have a land-line anymore
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11:54<chmod_700>are you personally going to work on any more modules, or just stick to the core?
11:54<Chutt>there's nothing else major i really want to add
11:55<chmod_700>yea it already does a ton
11:56<mdz_>there was already a thread on mythtv-dev about security cameras
11:56<mdz_>I don't think it makes much sense, but is at least one other person asking about it
11:56<mdz_>unless that was you
11:57<chmod_700>nah
11:57<chmod_700>i was talking more about monitoring doors and windows and smoke alarms
11:57<chmod_700>i already have a console based security system
11:57<chmod_700>i was thinking of taking a stab at porting it to myth
11:58<chmod_700>so i couls monitor stuff from the tv, or maybe mythweb2
11:58<chmod_700>could*
11:59<mdz_>the DRM stuff uses /dev/dri/card*
12:00<mdz_>seems to let you block until the next refresh
12:00<mdz_>(drmWaitVBlank)
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12:00<Chutt>right, but i don't know what cards that works on
12:08<Chutt>heh, that guy complaining about increased spam
12:08<vektor>i810, mga, ati
12:09<vektor>i810 includes the i815 i830 i845 too
12:09<Chutt>vektor, the nvidia stuff doesn't work with their newest driver anymore
12:09<vektor>And I think there's something else.
12:09<vektor>Chutt: Bull, really?
12:09<Chutt>yeah
12:09<vektor>Chutt: Email Mark and ask what's up.
12:09<Chutt>looks like the support bits in the driver were removed
12:10<Chutt>yeah, suddenly sleeping for 60ms every time it tried to poll the driver doesn't exactly lead to good video playback =)
12:14<Chutt>ah, back to smooth video
12:14<vektor>heh
12:14<vektor>This is pretty terrible then.
12:14<vektor>I'm sure it's a bug.
12:15<Chutt>'video_output' mean = '33379.300000', std. dev. = '52.650266', fps = '29.958687'
12:15<Chutt>yay
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12:17<mdz_>I wonder if it's possible to use the nvidia kernel driver to get /dev/nvidia0 but still use the xfree86 nv driver
12:17<mdz_>and have it actually work
12:17<Chutt>vektor, there may be some other way to get that information, but i don't see it at all
12:23<vektor>Chutt: You should ask Mark.
12:24<Chutt>yeah
12:24<Chutt>i've got other stuff to do right now
12:25<vektor>Ok, want me to ask?
12:26<Chutt>i can do it later
12:26<vektor>Ok.
12:26<Chutt>but you've talked to him before, right?
12:26<vektor>Yeah, I have.
12:26<vektor>So maybe it would be better if I do it.
12:26<Chutt>might be more likely to get a response from you than from some random guy emailing him
12:26<vektor>Dunno.
12:27<vektor>He responds to a lot of mail on the X lists from 'random guys' about his drivers. :)
12:27<Chutt>heh
12:27<Chutt>he does both the nvidia and nv ones?
12:27<vektor>Yes.
12:27<vektor>He just rewrote the NV one btw.
12:27<Chutt>that's weird
12:27<vektor>So maybe this is part of the rewrite that this is disabled for now.
12:27<vektor>The NVIDIA one is based on the NV one, AFAIK.
12:27<Chutt>ah
12:28<vektor>Like, he open sources everything he can.
12:28<Chutt>right
12:28<vektor>So any 2D bugs in NVIDIA are likely in NV.
12:28<vektor>(for XVIDEO too)
12:47<mdz_>vektor: oh, nice
12:48<mdz_>vektor: does this mean that the vsync stuff might be supported in nv?
12:48<vektor>Well no, it requires a kernel component.
12:48<vektor>Just like DMA.
12:48<mdz_>well, yes
12:48<vektor>There are things you just can't do in a userspace driver.
12:48<vektor>Ohh, you mean using the NVIDIA kernel module only.
12:48<mdz_>but does it require that you use the binary XFree86 driver
12:48<vektor>And not the X driver.
12:48<mdz_>right
12:48<mdz_><mdz_> I wonder if it's possible to use the nvidia kernel driver to get /dev/nvidia0 but still use the xfree86 nv driver
12:48<vektor>I have no idea.
12:48<mdz_>I'll try it sometime
12:48<vektor>Yeah, I saw that but it didn't 'click'.
12:48<vektor>Ok.
12:49<mdz_>it certainly seems possible
12:49<vektor>What would be the point?
12:49<vektor>Avoid using DMA, but get the interrupt?
12:49<mdz_>one less binary module to mess with
12:50<mdz_>I hate dealing with that stuff
12:50<vektor>Why is it a big deal?
12:58<dopez>is anyone else here able to crash the frontend while scrolling through the recorded items? (sometimes within a few seconds, sometimes after a while), it also seems to happen when scrolling through the delete recordings menu (got a backtrace at http://www.xs4all.nl/~dopez/segfault.txt )
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12:58<Chutt>watch recordings and delete recordings is the same bit of code
12:58<Chutt>hey thor
13:00<Chutt>dopez, one sec
13:00<dopez>they did look kinda familiar ;)
13:00<thor_>hey
13:00<thor_>any disasters to report ?
13:00<Chutt>dopez, should be fixed
13:00<Chutt>nope
13:01<Chutt>the transcoding stuff didn't work for me, but i think i just ran out of disk space
13:01<thor_>ah
13:01<Chutt>and i haven't looked into it more, so i don't want to bug you about it just yet =)
13:01<thor_>hmmm .... suppose I shoudl check for that
13:02<thor_>almost done the new title ripping interface
13:02<Chutt>the time remaining counter was all wonky
13:02<thor_>hmmmm .... one or two pass ?
13:02<Chutt>it was way over the time remaining when i killed it off
13:02<Chutt>i dunno
13:02<Chutt>like i said, i hadn't looked into it at all =)
13:02<Chutt>i will, though, and let you know
13:02<thor_>k
13:03<thor_>thanks
13:03<thor_>if I can figure out how to hack a MythRemoteLineEdit into a themed dialogue and not have the focus get all confused, I'll get the new dialog commited soon
13:06<thor_>gotta go ... check back later tonight
13:06<Chutt>cool
13:06<Chutt>later =)
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13:08<dopez>Chutt: cool, thanks ;) (testing it now)
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13:58<dja>this is probably old news, but is anyone else able to get to the website?
13:58<Chutt>very old news.
13:59<dja>sorry :-( is it bad?
13:59<Chutt>eh
14:00<Chutt>if the support guys at the colo weren't idiots, it would've been up hours ago
14:00<dja>ahh -- thanks for the info.
14:06<dja>Chutt: which version of the nvidia driver were you using (before you found out they broke the sync stuff :-)
14:06<Chutt>4363
14:06<Chutt>i think
14:06<dja>thanks -- I've been running 4496 and I was wondering why that box didn't seem to make a difference to me. I assumed it was user error. :-)
14:06<Chutt>heh
14:07<Chutt>checking that box will make things a _lot_ worse
14:07<Chutt>with the newest driver
14:08<dja>:-) thanks
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15:19<merf>is it a known bug for mythtv to not reset the channel when starting a recording?
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15:30<Captain_Murdoch>merf: I think it used to work that way, but I think that was fixed in CVS a while back so it should be OK in 0.11
15:31<merf>Captain_Murdoch: damn this cvs :D
15:31<merf>i installed the 0.10 debs and it works real well
15:32<merf>maybe i'll just switch to cvs..
15:39<mdz_>merf: do you have multiple inputs?
15:39<merf>mdz_: i wish ;)
15:39<mdz_>it always sets the channel before starting a recording, including in 0.10
15:40<mdz_>there is an apparent bttv driver bug which causes the audio to be wrong in certain situations with multiple inputs
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15:40<merf>mdz_: i've got myth recording shows so i can watch them later and delete them, at a low quality
15:40<merf>but i've got cron running a script which runs mencoder to record Simpsons and such at high quality
15:41<mdz_>why don't you use mythtv to do both?
15:41<merf>so say mencoder records something on channel 51, and later that day myth wants to record on 37, it'll have the right program metadata, but will have recorded on the wrong channel
15:41<Aridhol>would mythTV work without a tuner? I have a geforce 4 MX 440 with video in/out
15:41<Chutt>kja == kenneth aafloy?
15:42<Chutt>hrm, he's not here
15:42<merf>mdz_: i've only got 8gb on myth's box, and mencoder records into an nfs mount
15:42<merf>mdz_: also, there's the quality difference, and i'd rather have them as regular mpeg4 avi's as opposed to the hack nuppelvideo
15:42<merf>s/hack/hacked/
15:42<mdz_>merf: mythtv works fine over NFS, and also supports different quality levels
15:43<merf>mdz_: you can make myth record some things crappy quality and some things better? i must've missed that
15:43<mdz_>merf: yes
15:43<merf>crazy
15:44<Chutt>mdz, hey, have you thought about a different system for recording quality at all? =)
15:44<mdz_>for about 6 months now
15:44<mdz_>Chutt: different how?
15:44<Chutt>something that'd support mixed environments -- different tuner card types, etc
15:44<merf>well.. i like keeping the low quality stuff on myth's box and the good quality stuff on this box.
15:44<Chutt>different machiens
15:44<Chutt>machines
15:45<Chutt>was thinking just have a set of quality levels the user could customized in groups
15:45<Chutt>low/med/hi
15:45<Chutt>or whatnot
15:45<Chutt>then it'd just select the appropriate recording profile for the card it's using from that list
15:45<mdz_>so add hostname and capturecard columns to recordingprofile?
15:45<Chutt>naw
15:46<Chutt>that doesn't work
15:46<mdz_>that'd give you separate profiles for each card and host
15:46<Chutt>if you want to be able to assign quality levels to recordings
15:46<Chutt>like, you tell it 'high', but 'high' is an analog-mpeg4 setting
15:46<Chutt>how's it going to find the pvr-250 setting that matches that?
15:47<mdz_>currently you don't tell it 'high', you give it an ID
15:47<Chutt>right
15:48<Chutt>that's what doesn't map to having multiple card types
15:48<mdz_>if each ID had multiple entries with specified capturecard and host, you could do that
15:48<mdz_>basically change ID from a number to a name, and don't require it to be unique
15:48<merf>since the website is down and i'm ignorant, can anyone give me the commands to checkout myth?
15:48<merf>(or.. since the colo's down, is cvs down too?)
15:48<Chutt>website's up
15:48<mdz_>merf: the instructions are in the HOWTO, which is in the files you already have
15:48<mdz_>in the mythtv-doc package
15:48<merf>mdz_: touche
15:48<Chutt>btw
15:49<mdz_>I see what you mean, though. you want another level of indirection
15:49<Chutt>yeah
15:49<mdz_>it seems like a lot of configuration though
15:49<Chutt>maybe
15:49<mdz_>like if you have low, medium and high, and both a hardware and software encoder
15:49<mdz_>you'd have to specify 6 profiles
15:49<Chutt>yeah
15:50<Chutt>but i was planning on including defaults
15:50<mdz_>defaults would definitely be good
15:50<mdz_>I had always meant to do that and never got around to it
15:50<mdz_>seeing as how I use one profile for everything
15:50<Chutt>software encode, pvr-250 hardware, mjpeg hardware
15:50<mdz_>3 default levels for each
15:50<Chutt>maybe two levels of software encoding
15:50<Chutt>right
15:51<Chutt>software encode (fast machine), software encode (slow machine)
15:51<Chutt>have to switch around the interface for selecting, but that shouldn't be too hard
15:51<mdz_>I want to tie that all in to my grand scheme for overrides
15:51<mdz_>they could be per-host as well as per-program
15:52<mdz_>the override table would match a bit like the record table, but without the type. null columns would match everything
15:52<mdz_>columns for starttime, endtime, title, host, etc.
15:52<mdz_>so you could set a default for a host, or a default for a host+title, etc.
15:53<mdz_>and it would sort for the closest match
15:53<mdz_>the same setup could be used to suppress and unsuppress recordings
15:53<mdz_>and conflicts and rankings
15:54<Chutt>sounds like it'd work
15:56<mdz_>the UI would need a lot of thought though
15:56<mdz_>as would a scheme for keeping the existing UIs for those things
15:57<mdz_>for example, if you both unsuppressed and overrode the quality for a particular program, ideally those would be in the same row
15:57<mdz_>but I think the implementation is easier if they are not. just makes the override query a little more complex
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17:31<mdz_>Chutt: working video on ia64
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18:05<kja>Feature: What about some common way of presenting a warning or error to the user via the GUI/OSD?
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18:11<kja>For example: I have a 'boxed' version of Myth frontend running, while my backend has a DVB card. If my backend for some reason is not there my myth frontend crashes and gets restarted....
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18:23<thor_>Chutt, you around?
18:29<mdz>thor_: still no release in sight; you're free to keep hacking :-)
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18:33<thor_>mdz, cool ...
18:36<kja>what handle does ben (dvb guy) use here (if he's ever here)?
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18:47<courtlr>which version of xmltv is required for the cvs?
18:49<mdz>0.5.15 works fine
18:50<kja>I remeber something about checking out xmltv from cvs a couple of weeks ago (tv_grab_sn)
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18:52<courtlr>ok
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18:56<kja>When I select 'Record all showings of this program on .....' the other's don't get selected (tv_grab_sn show names as '<show>(x)' ), is this known?
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19:43<Chutt>heh
19:43<Chutt>tmk, yo
19:43<tmk>y0
19:46<tmk>any news?
19:47<Chutt>naw, not really
19:47<Chutt>no idea what the guy on the ivtv list's issue could be
19:47<Chutt>i even went and upgraded to that firmware rev, stuff's working perfectly for me
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20:26<tmk>chutt, see msg
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20:29<bbeattie>*streches his feet after the flight home* Lots of patches this week...
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20:33<hadees>is the freestyle really just as good as the pvr-250?
20:33<tmk>hades: same guts
20:33<tmk>i think
20:34<hadees>i heard it was the same chip
20:34<bline>hey Chutt, he posted lircevent.h in the email, just not lircevent.cpp.
20:34<tmk>it is
20:34<bline>because the header contains all the functions
20:34<tmk>if you want to test it
20:34<tmk>i'll help you get it going
20:34<tmk><-- wrote ivtv driver
20:34<bline>hey tmk
20:35<tmk>sup bline
20:35<hadees>tmk: you wrote the entire ivtv driver?
20:35<tmk>bline helped a little
20:35<tmk>:)
20:35<bline>hows the decoder support going?
20:35<tmk>it works :)
20:35<tmk>i haven't started phase2 yet
20:35<bline>finialize it yet?
20:35<tmk>nah
20:35<bline>oh, ok
20:35<tmk>i've been moving
20:35<tmk>just got internet back a couple days ago
20:35<tmk>next week i think i'll be back into programming again
20:36<bline>cool
20:37<tmk>tell chutt he's a slacker for me
20:37<tmk>i'm going home
20:39<bline>later :)
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20:41<Chutt>bline, that diff look ok to you?
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20:46<hadees>how is mythdvd transcoding in conjuntion to normal mythtv television recording
20:46<bline>Chutt: just looking through it
20:47<hadees>I mean i know it must be pcu intensive but is there a warning or an option to hold off till no one is recording
20:47<hadees>cpu
20:49<bline>wish I had more context, but it looks find in what I can see
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21:00* paulproteuswaves to jasoncohen
21:01<jasoncohen>hello
21:01<jasoncohen>what exactly is the difference between "regular out" and "line out"?
21:01* paulproteushints, "Describe your problem, but know it's a FAQ" :)
21:03<jasoncohen>The problem is that when I play live tv in mythtv, 2 audio streams are played which are usually out of sync. 1 stream stops when I exit tv mode, and the second has to be stopped by starting another tv program.
21:03<Chutt>read the howto.
21:03<Chutt>you ignored the entire section on setting up your soundcard/mixer.
21:05<kja>You are mean Chutt! ;)
21:06<jasoncohen>oh, i thoght that section was just for setting up ALSA ..reading it now. Thanks for the help.
21:06<mikegrb>so are people who waste his valuable coding time
21:06<mikegrb>it wouldn't be that big of a deal but it happens /all/ the time
21:07<mikegrb>jasoncohen: the topic in the contents I think is a bit misleading but yes, once you get into it it is laid out a bit better
21:13<kja>mikegrb: and we all should help him answer those questions before he does, then (i'm a fresh joiner, but I try)?
21:13<mikegrb>yes :-)
21:13<mikegrb>that's the point of open source... if you can't code there is bound to be something you can do to help
21:14<kja>YEA, I Love IT!
21:15<paulproteus>(I thought Chutt's answer was adequate and to the point.)
21:15<hadees>streamlined
21:15<paulproteus>Unlike some stupid, disenchanged losers in #debian, Chutt's answer was at least helpful.
21:15<kja>He's just to fast (knows it to well :)
21:15* paulproteusgrins
21:22<jasoncohen>damn..i should have screwed around with kmix. Now I have no sound with tv apps.
21:22<jasoncohen>*shouldn't
21:22<kja>Question: If you do a 'Record this program whenever...' on a program named <name>(x), will all <name>(x) be selected then?
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21:23<jasoncohen>okay this is weird...now the sound works in mythtv, but in no other applications
21:24<thor_>Chutt, mdz.etc.,you around?
21:25<kja>jasoncohen: has something to do with <soundapp> (can't remeber the name, find it in controll panel)!
21:25<jasoncohen>kmix?
21:25<kja>nope, a<something>
21:25<jasoncohen>alsamixer?
21:26<kja>not that either
21:26<jasoncohen>aumix?
21:26<kja>not a mixer
21:26<thor_>Chutt, if you catch this on scrollback, a better mythdvd TitleDialog is on it's way .... just sorting out Focus issues .....
21:26<kja>a multiplexer
21:26<mikegrb>jasoncohen: this happens because myth records the sound and plays it back
21:26<Chutt>thor, yo
21:26<mikegrb>jasoncohen: other aps just let it pass through
21:27<mikegrb>jasoncohen: selecting the linein made it work for mythtv but muting it makes it not work for other aps
21:27<Chutt>kja, it matches off of exact titles
21:27<jasoncohen>what's a multiplexer?
21:27<thor_>Chutt, things are coming along here in Beirut .... any well explained disasters to report ?
21:27<Chutt>nope
21:27<Chutt>haven't been at the computer much, really
21:27<thor_>ah.....
21:28<kja>tv_grab_sn gives episodes in (), bet it would be easy to change, I'll look into it!
21:28<mikegrb>jasoncohen: if you are using alsa your best bet may be to look for info on alsamixer, you can set stuff from command line so you can right a wrapper script to unmute line-in, run the tv app, and remute
21:28<jasoncohen>mikegrb: i got sound back
21:28<jasoncohen>AC97 setting
21:28<mikegrb>kja: are you thinking of alsactl?
21:29<kja>mike: no, that deamon that always receives/sends sound in kde....(ARG#%""#)
21:29<thor_>Chutt, if you have a chance .... any thoughts on storage space failures would be grand
21:29<mikegrb>kja: oh, arts
21:29<kja>YEA
21:30<mikegrb>:)
21:30<jasoncohen>with tv i only get 2 speakers working now
21:31<thor_>to all, anyone seen http://www.focustheater.com/
21:31<mikegrb>yes
21:31<kja>no, bout to though
21:32<mikegrb>thor_: you have a question or just pointing it out?
21:32<thor_>don't know
21:32<Chutt>thor, that's jhurliman's stuff, he's in here often
21:32<mikegrb>thor_: I saw your post abt the rip gui, or maybe it was IRC... The Matrix has 46 some odd titles <g>
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21:33<thor_>mikegrb, the interface will be *much* improved shortly
21:34<kja>looks good spec wise, the looks don't match any equipment i've ever seen though
21:34<kja>hi-fi wise
21:34<mikegrb>I was sure it would when I saw it the first time, that's why I didn't say anything... was funny though as that was my first try at it so I had to guess and just hit up to wrap around to the bottom
21:34<kja>I loke the looks of my ShuttleX ;)
21:34<thor_>Chutt, re: jhurliman, this looks a bit amateurish ... are the VIA people serious about anything?
21:34<kja>like
21:36<Chutt>thor, apparently via demoed mythtv (among other apps) at linuxworld
21:36<thor_>Chutt, good =)
21:36<Chutt>thor, and the oneboxmc people just contacted me last week, but i haven't heard from them
21:36<thor_>ah
21:36<mikegrb>I would have loved to have been there to see it
21:36<Chutt>well, again
21:36<kja>nice, expanding!
21:37<thor_>there's a business model in here somewhere ....
21:37<mikegrb>wonder if the HDTV card guy saw it
21:38<kja>what's all the fuzz about hdtv, for 1 most people don't owe a tv that can handle it (yet)
21:38<thor_>still .... make good software that does useful things .... then worry about other things ....
21:39<kja>Chutt: Are you announcing DVB as (mostly) stable in .11, or waiting?
21:39<thor_>Chutt, you had a successful transcode yet?
21:40<Chutt>kja, i'll announce it as 'getting there'
21:40<kja>thanks ;)
21:41<kja>U want the Common Interface in now, or when it's got a userbase?
21:41<Chutt>whenever ben likes the code.
21:42<kja>just want a timeframe of sorts...
21:43<kja>ben (partially accepted) the code as it was, untill I mentioned that it might become more...
21:43<Chutt>i want bigger stuff like that to go through him
21:44<kja>fine with me, nice to have something to work with on the side (as we don't have an emmidate need for it)
21:44* thor_thinks kja must be Dutch
21:45<kja>would have been cool to announce 'simple ci support' with the 'getting there with dvb' though...
21:46<kja>Norwegian, totally NATO ;)
21:46<kja>crazy of such
21:47<kja>ssss, no such issues here ;)
21:48<kja>thor: why dutch by the way (i've seen them around some sat sites but..)
21:49* thor_is Canadian, originally of Icelandic heritage, which fails to explain why he is spending August in Lebanon
21:49<thor_>kja, the Dutch speak so many languages ...
21:49<thor_>but always with a certain turn of phrase in English
21:50<kja>yea, that's true...norwegian isn't that far away from dutch
21:50<kja>;)
21:50<thor_>Chutt, I go beddy-bye .... I'm going to try and finish the title dialog
21:50<kja>So, why are you spending August in Lebanon? Trouble?
21:51<kja>nite
21:51<hadees>mabey thor is a mythtv missionary
21:52<thor_>hey .....
21:53<thor_>nothing untoward going on ....
21:53<kja>we'll safely assume untill he proves otherwise :)
21:53<thor_>my wife is Lebanese
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21:54<kja>aahhh, then we understand, how does she like Myth?
21:55<thor_>... in a more productive vein ... Chutt ... I need to sign off ... any probs, please let me know ... hoping to have the new title ripping interface done soon (lots of libmyth changes)
21:55<kja>I don't have a wife (yet, hopefully), but I like it....
21:55<kja>hopefull
21:56<thor_>night all
21:56<Chutt>thor, ok =)
21:56<Chutt>g'nite
21:56<kja>night
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21:59<WhiteRabt>WOW, mythtv has made huge progress since i last looked at it!
21:59<WhiteRabt>and that was, like, 6 months ago
22:01<kja>6 months is a long time my friend
22:01<WhiteRabt>yes, apparantly!
22:01<WhiteRabt>i'm very impressed
22:02<kja>credit Chutt, thor_ and others for their great work by spreading the word
22:03<WhiteRabt>I notice that the person posting on AVSforum about a linux hdtv card says that he will be hanging around here.. doe sthis mean that there is active development allready in getting this card working in tvtime?
22:03<kja>there is a 'perliminary' import for this card, yes
22:03<mikegrb>WhiteRabt: don't know abt tvtime but I believe it had useable support in myth now
22:04<WhiteRabt>hahaha, mixed up names... sorry
22:04<kja>support, I meant
22:04<mikegrb>The gentleman went to linuxworld and haven't seen him since he left
22:05<WhiteRabt>he recently posted on avsforum, so he's still active
22:05<WhiteRabt>'bout an hour ago
22:06<mikegrb>ahh
22:06<mikegrb>perhaps he got a spot of web access
22:07<kja>this is what you are reffering to, right? (http://pchdtv.com/)
22:07<WhiteRabt>indeed
22:08<WhiteRabt>hmm... it claims that i need an ac3 passthrough and external amplifier on that site
22:08<kja>yup, 'perliminary' code in...is the status
22:09<kja>yup, I have that option on my Hauppauge Nexus-S too
22:10<WhiteRabt>are you replying to me?
22:10<kja>the card probably has an onboard mpeg-ac3 decoder which might be used
22:10<kja>yup
22:10<WhiteRabt>yea, the website doesn't seem to say it's optional ;)
22:11<WhiteRabt>under minimum requirements, it says sound card with spdif and external sound system
22:11<WhiteRabt>but hopefully, they're just audiophiles and couldn't bear to reccomend any less
22:11<kja>the card is very much alike my DVB card (if i'm not mistaken), and the audio/video can be routed either to the system or propretary outputs
22:11<WhiteRabt>that's fortunate
22:12<kja>yes, at least that's what I read from the 'perliminary' code
22:13<kja>Chutt: If you have time: When did Ben start on DVB?
22:14<kja>WhiteRabt: are you going to order this card?
22:14<WhiteRabt>I think so
22:14<WhiteRabt>I haven't seen any proof it's real yet though
22:15<WhiteRabt>I need a 3rd party to tell me it's real first ;)
22:15<kja>well, I don't mean to be rude, but do you have the tv set to support it ?
22:15<mikegrb>WhiteRabt: you might check the list archives, the guy who comes in here said he could get mythtv users free shipping
22:16<kja>cool
22:16<WhiteRabt>kja, no
22:16<mikegrb>WhiteRabt: he also offered them to people who were going to be at LinuxWorld
22:16<WhiteRabt>mike, i noticed
22:17<kja>offcourse you will be making a lot of high quality recordings, but I don't think you'll notice much of that untill you get a set..
22:17<mikegrb>you have to get something first
22:18<WhiteRabt>kja, a hdtv is not the only high resolution device around
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22:18<kja>not to scare you or anything, but:
22:18<kja>-rw-r--r-- 1 nfsnobody 130 1918366938 Aug 6 22:35 1058_20030806214500_20030806223500.nuv
22:18<kja>-rw-r--r-- 1 nfsnobody 130 1919781118 Aug 6 23:55 1058_20030806230500_20030806235500.nuv
22:18<kja>-rw-r--r-- 1 nfsnobody 130 378867810 Aug 8 21:00 1058_20030808200000_20030808210000.nuv
22:18<kja>-rw-r--r-- 1 nfsnobody 130 66884835 Aug 8 21:25 1058_20030808210000_20030808212500.nuv
22:18<kja>-rw-r--r-- 1 nfsnobody 130 41470349 Aug 8 21:45 1058_20030808213000_20030808214500.nuv
22:19<kja>-rw-r--r-- 1 nfsnobody 130 1804495385 Aug 8 22:35 1058_20030808214500_20030808223500.nuv
22:19<kja>-rw-r--r-- 1 nfsnobody 130 2097018386 Aug 8 23:30 1058_20030808223500_20030808233000.nuv
22:19<WhiteRabt>not to mention the benefit of eliminating the analog step inherent in typical tv capture
22:19<kja>-rw-r--r-- 1 nfsnobody 130 1713520265 Aug 9 00:15 1058_20030808233000_20030809001500.nuv
22:19<kja>-rw-r--r-- 1 nfsnobody 130 1905996449 Aug 9 01:05 1058_20030809001500_20030809010500.nuv
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22:19<kja>these are just DVB
22:19<kja>normal 45 min shows
22:19<WhiteRabt>i'm well aware of the bitrate of hdtv
22:19<WhiteRabt>up to 19.2mbit/sec, i think? i'm sure i'm in the ballpark
22:20<phar0e>good evening all
22:20<kja>White: I think they go even higher
22:21<kja>I don't have the specs around...
22:21<kja>Hi phar0e
22:22<kja>what's up?
22:22<phar0e>just cleaning up my oldrecorded table
22:22<phar0e>on half-recorded shows
22:22<phar0e>anything wrong with that?
22:23<phar0e>I had a show recorded, but it was corrupt or something, wasn't able to transcode it..
22:23<mikegrb>phar0e: I don't think so, have you deleted the recordings already from the interface
22:24<mikegrb>that way you can catch them next time they come around
22:24<phar0e>I think that was my problem
22:24<phar0e>I still had the file in there.. but the filename should have been different since it was on a different date..
22:24<phar0e>but it failed to record, so I figured it had to do with it being previously recorded
22:25<phar0e>man this MythTV kicks ass
22:25<mikegrb>well if there is an entry in the oldrecorded table it won't try
22:25<phar0e>Aha
22:25<WhiteRabt>anyways
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22:25<mikegrb>yes it certainly does kick ass
22:26<phar0e>I am ordering that WD 120G 8M Cache HD in about a week
22:26<phar0e>more shows!
22:26<phar0e>and I'm putting a faster processor in there
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22:26<mikegrb>Yes, I just recently got a 120 gb hd, so much roomier then the 80gb that was shared with /home
22:27<phar0e>do you know how mythtranscode works? does it take as long as the show itself? so if say the show was 30 minutes, would it take AT LEAST 30 minutes to transcode?
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22:30<kja>have not tried, but if it uses the transcode binaries, I't goes (DVD->DIVX) alsmost 1:1 on my dual athlon
22:33<jasoncohen>can you set mythtv to allow audio to pass through without recording. The way my Mythtv currently works, I can either have sound in mythtv or have sound in every other tv player.
22:35<kja>yup, or not both running at the same time
22:36<kja>yup, not....
22:38<phar0e>I think it would be a cool feature to add a "this show is on again at..." such and such date and time, like TVguide.com has, would be good if you see a show you want to record, but it has already started
22:40<kja>you can use the program finder to locate any program
22:40<jasoncohen>phar0e: doesn't the search show section show multiple times that a show is on
22:41<jasoncohen>yeah, if you search for a program it'll give you all times it plays
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22:46<kja>well, I have to get my ass to bed now (it's getting brigther outside (5 in the morning here)), so g'nite all
22:47<jasoncohen>goodnight
22:47<phar0e>cya kja
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22:48<dopez>damn, kja is right, its allready getting light outside :)
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22:55<matt_>what exactly is the native lirc support that's been talked about on the dev list for the past few days?
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23:06<danc`>instead of using irexec or irxevent or whatever, myth just talks directly to lircd
23:07<matt_>ah
23:07<matt_>i guess my first step should be to get lirc working
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23:13<mecraw>can anyone tell me what the normal temp range for my cpu should be?
23:13<mecraw>ksensors is telling me the celeron 1.7Ghz in my pundit is 86 degrees celcius
23:14<danc`>that's really high.
23:14<danc`>normal is 40-50 C
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23:14<mecraw>my bios says about 55 celcius on startup
23:14<danc`>like if you reboot it right now it says 55 ?
23:15<mecraw>a few minutes after rebooting
23:16<danc`>it it says 86 or whatever, just reboot it and immediately go into the bios, and check the temp there
23:16<danc`>if your bios says 86 then you need better cooling. if your bios says 50 something, then ksensors is broken
23:16<mecraw>i'm hoping ksensors is broken
23:17<danc`>seems like a reasonable thing to hope for.
23:17<mecraw>i do get segfaults every once in awhile though, memtest86 tells me i have no memory errors after 9 hours
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23:18<danc`>compile something right before you reboot. or do something that taxes the system
23:19<mecraw>will do, thanks, danc`
23:19<danc`>np
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