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00:01<kwenda>has anyone tried xmltv cvs tonight/
00:02<anduinw>no, but there hasn't been anything on the xmltv lists about na being down yet
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00:03<kwenda>just thinking it might have been something that they'd already anticipated and fixed in CVS
00:04<kwenda>i'll take a looksee....
00:06<anduinw>kwenda - lynx can't browse there either
00:08<anduinw>but it can, the error page seems to redirect to the real page
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00:09<kwenda>maybe thats why IE seems to work... i dont see why tv_grab wouldn't follow a redirect though
00:09<kwenda>there are like 7 redirects from the start of the script till where it fails
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00:10<anduinw>kwenda - the redirect following code is broken in the underlying perl http module code, thus the lame ass GET hack they threw in last time na broke (if I remember correctly it is redirects with params).
00:11<kwenda>yeah you mentioned that earlier
00:11<kwenda><kwenda> ?this&is¬&a&good&way&to&pass&variables
00:11<kwenda>;)
00:12<anduinw>I just wasn't sure that I had put the blame where it belonged. It is have tv_grab_na sucks but the http redirect handling in perl sucks as well.
00:13<kwenda>oh i follow you now
00:14<kwenda>hrm... are there other XML listing providers?
00:14<kwenda>i looked at tvguide and titantv but both are just html
00:14<mdz>kwenda: there is not even one, so there can't be others
00:14<anduinw>I just want zap2it to sell me my XML.
00:15<kwenda>mdz: zap2it isn't xml?
00:15<mdz>kwenda: no
00:16<anduinw>tv_grab_na converts the HTML to XML, that is what the grab programs do.
00:16<mdz>a company tried it, and they were encouraged not to do so by the people who own the data
00:16<mdz>gist
00:16<kwenda>oh geez... i hadnt read the part of the code that actually parses what's downloaded yet
00:17<kwenda>i was still futzing with the part that downloads it in the first place
00:19<kwenda>geez their html is dirty too
00:19<kwenda>td bgcolor=#cccccc colspan="2" width="26.6666666666667%" valign="top"
00:19<kwenda>heh, way to get specific though....
00:19* paulproteuschuckles
00:19<anduinw>almost certainly machine generated
00:20<kwenda>assuming your screen was ~1000 pixels wide (1024 - scroll bar), once you got past 1 decimal point it wouldn't make 1 pixel of difference anymore
00:23<kwenda>i need a screen that's 1,000,000,000,000 pixels wide for 13 points of precision to be noticeable
00:23* paulproteuslaughs loudly, kwenda :)
00:23<paulproteus>That's why they allow round-off error, kwenda.
00:23<paulproteus>For your screen.
00:23<paulproteus>Note the '7' :)
00:24<kwenda>heh ... if windows would let me run multiheaded with 1 billion monitors, i could have a virtual screen that was wide enough
00:28<kwenda>you know the ad cookie probably doesnt have anything to do with it after all
00:28<paulproteus>User-Agent?
00:28<kwenda>its never actually rendering the html page so that it would know to GET the ad, so it would make sense to not have a cookie for it
00:29<kwenda>i doubt it's user-agent either... that's super-trivial to change and if they were going to block it they'd put up a message that said it was blocked, rather than a 500 server error
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00:32<kwenda>yuck =/
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00:46<billytwowilly>Chutt: you around man?
00:49* Timonback
00:49* Timonis away: I'm busy
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00:53<kwenda>timon i fixed it
00:53<kwenda>only not
00:54<kwenda>im workin on it in php... not to distribute but just so i can have some dang listings
00:55<anduinw>kwenda - I just looked at a dump, look like they are returning 500 and the right page. Is this what you found?
00:57<kwenda>i never actually looked at the file that came with the result since it seemed to be in error
00:57<kwenda>do you mean its giving a 500 error code but correct data
00:57<kwenda>so a 500 rather than 200 ?
00:59<anduinw>kwenda - looks that way to me, internal error in the header, followed by listing data.
00:59<Chutt>there's a patch posted to the mythtv lists.
01:00<kwenda>let me sniff-n-save and see if i see the same
01:00<Timon>kwenda: Good deal!
01:02<kwenda>i'm getting 2 responses in the same header
01:03<kwenda>actually no im not i didn't set the cookies
01:04<anduinw>Ah yes, the patch just accepts the 500.
01:05<kwenda>yeah sniffing i get a 500
01:05<kwenda>if i do a raw connection (sending the cookies or not) i get a 302
01:05<kwenda>but the 500 is followed by too much data to be an error message
01:05<anduinw>you get a 302 (object moved) followed by a 500
01:06<anduinw>or rather you should :)
01:09<mikegrb>paulproteus: are you still around?
01:09<paulproteus>Slightly.
01:09<mikegrb>heh
01:09<mikegrb>are you using the dvd remote on your xbox?
01:10<paulproteus>That's an interesting thought, and it hadn't occurred to me.
01:10<paulproteus>I was going to buy the ATI Remote Wonder.
01:10<mikegrb>I guess that is a no <g>
01:10<paulproteus>OFTC #xbox-linux has many other users; perhaps one of them is.
01:10<mikegrb>oh thanks hadn't thought of that <g>
01:10<paulproteus>Does it suck, mikegrb? Have you an experience with it?
01:11<kwenda>freaking score
01:11<kwenda>double checking channel information, be patient..
01:11<kwenda>writing listings to /tmp/mythx2wWUb
01:11<kwenda>Day 2003-8-13 schedule for station 2 KDTN has:38 programs
01:11<mikegrb>well working with it, the key maped to ESC isn't working so I have to kill the frontend to get back to the menu
01:11<paulproteus>Oh!
01:12<mikegrb>paulproteus: #xbox-linux on what network?
01:12<mikegrb>yes
01:12<paulproteus>irc.oftc.net
01:12<mikegrb>oh, okay
01:12<kwenda>i really can't believe i didn't think to actually look at the OUTPUT of the 500 message
01:12<mikegrb>kwenda: :-)
01:12<paulproteus>What is it, kwenda?
01:12<kwenda>i could have fixed this 3 hours ago
01:13<kwenda>like anduinw said, it was giving the 302 redirect, which i was following, then a 500 server error, where both XMLTV and i stopped reading
01:14<kwenda>but regular browsers apparently don't stop reading there... so they were getting the correct page
01:14<kwenda>there's a patch on the mythtv users list that just makes ZapListings.pm ignore a 500 error
01:14<Timon>kwenda: Did you just send it in? Because I haven't seen it. . .
01:14<Chutt>it's been sent twice now
01:15<kwenda>timon: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/archive/MythTV_C2/Users_F11/Problems_connecting_to_zap2it_P75421/
01:15<anduinw>"Problems connecting to zap2it?"
01:15<kwenda>Timon, i didn't patch it, some kind soul did
01:15<kwenda>i didn't think to LOOK that far... i believed it when it said "i am broken"
01:16<paulproteus>That's... so... bizarre...
01:16<Timon>kwenda: Hmm, I still didn't get the message :-)
01:16<Timon>It may take a while
01:17<kwenda>you can download the patch from the archive, timon
01:17<kwenda>its attatched to the bottom of the 3rd message in the thread
01:17<Timon>kwenda: I know, I'm just not interested yet. I'm to busy working on the LCD stuff to actually use myth :-)
01:17<kwenda>if you like to live on the edge you can patch the installed perl module rather than the source and installing...
01:18<kwenda>although "make install" for something like that probably just means cp ./ZapListings.pm /usr/local/whereever
01:22<kwenda>im really kicking myself all over the house for not catching that
01:22<kwenda>thanks for pointing it out anduinw
01:33<anduinw>Hey I'm just glad Chutt was reading mail, I was about to go digging in the tv_grab_na source again to see if I could fix it :)
01:34<tmk>hey chutt
01:34<tmk>is there a qt/mysql module or something
01:34<anduinw>yes
01:34<tmk>i see
01:34<anduinw>what distro are you running?
01:35<tmk>rh 8
01:36<anduinw>look for a qt-MySQL-version package
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01:43<tmk>let me guess
01:43<tmk>xmltv is broken right now right?
01:43<anduinw>xmtv patch available on the list
01:44<anduinw>but yeah, the planets are aligning for you, you should feel special, no persecuted.
01:49<tmk>mmm patch
01:52<kwenda>hey i put alot of work into that patch
01:52<kwenda>it just didn't matter at all
01:52<kwenda>since i fixed everything except what was wrong
01:54<tmk>heh this rules
01:55<tmk>i can record the audio channels on my cable
02:02<Chutt>it's funny when people disagree with me about the capabilities of code that i wrote
02:03<mikegrb>Chutt: I'm running a speacial on hits... have any names for my list ;)
02:03<mikegrb>qt is nice
02:04<mikegrb>finally started looking at the docs this afternoon
02:05<mikegrb>lol just read that email
02:08<mikegrb>I think his little "test procedure" is very humerous with renaming a recording and naming the test file it's name and such... considering mythtv <filename> works <g>
02:26<kwenda>this http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2746351389&category=180 scan converter looks WAY over-engineered
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08:56<PeteCool>Chutt: libavcodec's configure is setting sxvmc support to no, but my build is created with -DUSING_XVMC... could this be the cause of my playback problems?
08:56<PeteCool>Chutt: I tried the exact same source tree (without enabling xvmc) on another computer and it played fine
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09:34<Chutt>petecool, the xvmc stuff isn't working yet.
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09:44<PeteCool>Chutt: I was lucky to have a working build before, then =)
09:44<PeteCool>Chutt: will it help with mpeg4, or only mpeg2?
09:48<Chutt>only mpeg2
09:48<Chutt>and like i said, it's not working yet
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12:43<tmk>guten morgen
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12:44<bbeattie>Is there a list somewhere of all tuner cards that work? ntsc, dvb, other generic capture cards, etc?
12:45<tmk>i think most things that support v4l work
12:45<tmk>not sure about dvb tho
12:53<bbeattie>any idea what the most popular cards are for normal tuner cards, mpeg2 (pvr 250 or 350?) and dvb?
12:55<Chutt>the hauppauge analog cards are pretty popular
12:56<Chutt>but they're not using the same chipset anymore
12:56<Chutt>so it's iffy buying one
12:56<tmk>heya chutt, got myth going finally
12:56<Chutt>cool.
12:56<Chutt>work ok?
12:56<tmk>hehe
12:56<tmk>well i haven't setup my keybindings or a remote
12:56<Chutt>take that as a no
12:56<tmk>but esc works ok
12:56<bbeattie>I'm working on my how-to, and trying to decide which cards to recommend people buy
12:56<Chutt>arrows and space
12:57<tmk>i only had about 30 secs in which to test it out
12:57<tmk>but it did display video
12:57<Chutt>and keys.txt for all the other keybindings
12:57<Chutt>good
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12:57<tmk>one thing that i did notice that bothered me: i set up 3 tuner inputs
12:58<tmk>each with same tv listings
12:58<tmk>but it grabbed from xmltv thrice
12:58<tmk>instead of once
12:58<tmk>took lik 3 hours or something
12:58<Chutt>you only set up one video source, right?
12:58<tmk>no, i have 4
12:58<Chutt>hm?
12:58<bbeattie>Chutt: what DVB cards work well?
12:59<tmk>2 cards, 2 tuners, two direct inputs
12:59<Chutt>bbeattie, i have no idea
12:59<Chutt>tmk, ok, but how many channel sources?
12:59<tmk>i think i set up one-per
12:59<Chutt>if they're all the same
12:59<Chutt>there should only be one
12:59<tmk>ok
12:59<Chutt>i'd run setup again, say yes to the second question to clear that out
12:59<tmk>cool
12:59<Chutt>and only set up one channel source and map all the other inputs to that
13:00<Chutt>if they are the same
13:00<Chutt>at least
13:00<tmk>also (/me embarrassed) i ran mythtv instead of mythfrontend
13:00<Chutt>heh
13:00<Chutt>that's fine =)
13:00<tmk>that took a while to figure out
13:00<Chutt>it's just a shortcut to the tv mode
13:00<tmk>since it didn't do nothin
13:00<tmk>it just said 'can't find font, won't display osd'
13:00<Chutt>though i don't think it'd run properly without mythfrontend being ran first
13:00<tmk>yep
13:01<tmk>oh and i used CVS this time
13:01<Chutt>aye.
13:02<tmk>i forget: is the external channel change command per input or channel-group
13:03<Chutt>it's per input
13:03<tmk>excellent
13:04<tmk>now all i need is an IR transmitter
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13:04<Chutt>and just a side note, you can just get it to playback files with 'mythtv <filename>'
13:04<tmk>well
13:04<Chutt>if you're not wanting to go through the UI and stuff, at least
13:04<tmk>i'm more likely to be using "dd if=file of=/dev/video1 bs=65536"
13:04<Chutt>heh
13:04<tmk>since i don't have tv-out otherwise
13:05<tmk>but thanks for the tip
13:06<Chutt>well, just sayin if you wanted to, say, write the -350 output code for mythtv, for instance =)
13:06<tmk>hehe
13:06<tmk>i may
13:06<tmk>do i have to use c++
13:06<Chutt>my c++ is really c-like
13:06<tmk>i know
13:06<Chutt>c with classes, mainly
13:06<tmk>yep
13:07<tmk>I'll have to see how you're doing seeking
13:07<tmk>and such
13:07<Chutt>avformatdecoder.cpp
13:07<tmk>hehe
13:07<Chutt>is the mpeg2 stuff
13:07<Chutt>the general playback routines are in NuppelVideoPlayer.cpp, though
13:20<Chutt>if you're curious about how i do the recording stuff, that's mpegrecorder.cpp -- does some additional stream parsing to find GOP start points for fast/accurate seeking =)
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15:14<tmk>hey chutt
15:14<tmk>the guy who did the framebuffer said he got some optimizations in
15:14<tmk>using DMA etc
15:14<tmk>his athlon 1.6 can playback using mythtv wtih 20% cpu
15:14<tmk>full ntsc fps
15:15<tmk>and size
15:15<tmk>it's in cvs
15:15<tmk>he also said he hacked mythtv to use it, but i'm not sure where that code is
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16:04<Chutt>tmk, that's cool
16:04<Chutt>ask him to email me the mods
16:23<bbeattie>Has anyone mentioned the idea of having a module to launch external applications? (Web, IM, xterm, etc?)
16:24<Chutt>you can add applications to the menus easily enough
16:28<Chutt>so
16:28<Chutt>tell me about via at linuxworld
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16:33<tmk>i know nothing
16:34<Chutt>not you :p
16:34<Chutt>bbeattie was there, they apparently had mythtv running at the show
16:34<tmk>n33t
16:34<tmk>on a pvr-350?
16:34<tmk>:D
16:34<jkolb>tmk: Any progress on finding a cvs server that isn't 24 hrs behind for the unwashed masses? Or have you given up on that?
16:35<tmk>jkolb: i just put the tarballs up on the server
16:35<tmk>ivtv.sf.net/CVS-LATEST.tar.gz
16:36<jkolb>Yeah, but I have to download them, then tar zxf them. So much work.
16:36<tmk>bah
16:36<Chutt>oh no!
16:36<Chutt>heh =)
16:36<jkolb>You should be making this as eacy as possible for _me_.
16:36<jkolb>No matter how much work it makes for _you_.
16:36<jkolb>After all the money I've paid, I expect nothing less.
16:36<tmk>i think it's easier than having to find the right CVSROOT variable
16:37<jkolb>Bah. You only have to do that once.
16:37<jkolb>Then it's just cvs up
16:38<tmk>lynx -source ivtv.sf.net/CVS-LATEST.tar.gz | tar zxv
16:38<tmk>:P
16:39<jkolb>lynx? bah. wget -O - ivtv.sf.net/CVS-LATEST.tar.gz | tar zxv
16:40<tmk>see? you know how to do it already
16:40<tmk>speaking of CVS, grabbing myth seemed kind of slow over CVS
16:40<anduinw>tmk - cvs diff -u is nice as well
16:41<jkolb>But that's so many more keypresses than cvs up. Are you trying to induce rsi in your users?
16:41<Chutt>and the driver doesn't get updated all that often
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16:41<jkolb>Yeah, yeah. Bring up _valid_ points. Sure, that'll win an argument.
16:41<tmk>anduinw: thanks for that msp patch btw
16:41<anduinw>chutt - You say that like it is a godd thing?!
16:42<jkolb>er, that was supposed to be sarcasm. Not sure if it came off that way.
16:42<anduinw>tmk - sure, though no one seems to have noticed :)
16:42<tmk>anduinw: i've gotten far fewer complaints about audio since then
16:42<tmk>anduinw: heh, they just don't know they've noticed
16:42<Chutt>the amount of bitching about audio went way down
16:42<jkolb>tmk: The audio sucks.
16:42<jkolb><g>
16:42<tmk>:)
16:42<tmk>that's not a msp problem
16:42<tmk>check your antenna
16:42<anduinw>tmk - I'm not sure but I think for PAL things may still be a tiny bit messed for the first pass
16:42<Chutt>aside from people that think cvs from 3 weeks ago is 'current'
16:42<tmk>hehe
16:43<tmk>anduinw: i don't really care too much about pal ;)
16:43<tmk>that reminds me
16:43<anduinw>tmk - neither do I :)
16:43<tmk>i need to track down the guy who was going to try VBI
16:43<Chutt>no one's going to try vbi
16:44<anduinw>tmk - yeah, i keep waiting for that. That and a more stable driver would be great.
16:44<jkolb>Oh, hey, actually, the audio does get encoded at a fairly low volume. Is that easy to change?
16:44<tmk>yeah
16:44<jkolb>test_ioctl can do it, I suppose?
16:44<tmk>thinkso
16:44<anduinw>it can now :)
16:44<tmk>it was broken until recently
16:44<tmk>anduinw: what stability problems are you referring to?
16:44<jkolb>I should probably update, then.
16:44<anduinw>try setting volume to 65535
16:45<anduinw>lower than 40000 is useless
16:45<jkolb>I'll update the driver first.
16:46<tmk>good idea
16:46<tmk>anduinw: what stability problems are you referring to?
16:46<bbeattie>Is there a way to get tvtime working together with myth? From what I currently understand, mythtv uses some of the same algorithms, but not all.
16:46<anduinw>tmk - I occasionally get the same problems you see posted to the list. Driver fails to init, or in time stops encoding (forced reload) and on really special days a reload makes my keyboard lights dance (which would be cool if it didn't mean my box crashed).
16:47<tmk>anduinw: ah ok
16:47<tmk>I realyl wish i was better at kernel debugging
16:47<tmk>i barely know what to do with a stack-dump :<
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16:50<anduinw>tmk - tell me about it, I've never done device driver stuff in linux (except patching an old wd8013 driver severl years ago). I may have to learn though unless someone fixes the ivtv driver :)
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16:54<Krondor>I need some help with mythtv and my pvr250 if anyone's willing :(
16:54<anduinw>Chutt - is .11 going out with crappy lirc support?
16:55<anduinw>willing, perhaps not able
16:55<Chutt>anduinw, yup
16:55<Chutt>oh, i'm going to merge in your system() patch
16:55<anduinw>Chutt - how crappy?
16:55<anduinw>ah
16:55<anduinw>thanks
16:55<Chutt>other than that, as is
16:56<anduinw>less crappy
16:56<Krondor>ok here goes.. I have a couple of problems it seems.. after running setup it never creates my Channel.xml thing so I can't mythtfilldatabase.
16:56<Krondor>and I can't seem to set my pvr 250 to channels higher then 20 or so.. I just get static, but I can watch channel 3 and 4 and run out from a vcr to view other channels.
16:57<Chutt>are you using us-bcast instead of us-cable?
16:58<Krondor>I wasn't in mythtv I was cat'ing /dev/video0 to mplayer to test and using ivtv's bundled channel.c program that I Ran through gcc .. ./a.out channelnumber
16:58<Krondor>how do I change channels while watching tv in mythtv with no remote?
16:58<Chutt>you use the arrow keys?
16:58<Chutt>all a remote does is map buttons on the remote to keys on the keyboard
16:58<anduinw>krondor - did you change channel.c at all?
16:59<Krondor>anduinw: no I just gcc channel.c
17:00<Krondor>in mplayer we just found we could change channels on the fly, but it won't go up to cable channels just broadcast channels is there a hard setting in test-ioctl or something?
17:00<anduinw>Krondor - by default channel.c doesn't use NTSC cable
17:00<Krondor>anduinw: ok that explains that then
17:01<anduinw>Krondor - yeah change array = NTSC_BCAST to array = NTSC_CABLE
17:02<Krondor>anduinw: ok thanks this will at least show me that my pvr250 is functional, but I still don't know why I can't create channelsource.xml with setup prog
17:02<anduinw>or you can try all ther perl stuff ;)
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17:02<Chutt>anyway, the xmltv crap is that you need to apply a small patch to xmltv to get it working right now.
17:02<Krondor>I'm using mytthv cvs
17:03<Chutt>did you see anything about 'mythtv' in what i just said?
17:03<anduinw>Krondor - xmltv for na is currently broken
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17:04<Krondor>anduinw: :( well that hurts.. but at least I can flip channels with no databse now :) thanks
17:04<anduinw>Krondor - there is a patch on the mythtv-users list in the "Problems connecting to zap2it" thread
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17:09<Chutt>i should make deinterlacing off by default
17:09<anduinw>yes you should
17:10<Chutt>but then people will bitch about the artifacts
17:11<anduinw>people will complain when there is an opportunity to do so
17:11<Chutt>yup
17:14<tmk>you know what's funny.. when i first got ivtv working
17:14<tmk>i was playing the video in windows
17:14<tmk>to test
17:15<tmk>so i was satisfied that it worked
17:15<tmk>then i setup mplayer
17:15<tmk>and all of a sudden i had interlacing
17:15<tmk>i spent like 2 or 3 days trying to figure it out
17:15<tmk>until i tried the streams in windows again
17:15<tmk>and started kicking myself
17:15<Chutt>heh
17:16<tmk>also funny. Here's what i got from the VBI guy:
17:16<tmk>I haven't done anything yet due to the hot weather, but temperatures
17:16<tmk>are
17:16<tmk>supposed to fall next week, so I hope that I can make a start by then.
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17:17<anduinw>uh, weird. Didn't know VBI was temperature sensitive work.
17:17<tmk>yeah
17:18<tmk>news to me too
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17:18<tmk>is rkuglowsky here
17:18<Chutt>see, told you
17:18<Krondor>anduinw: thanks the patch worked and it's grabbing listings.. when I tried to change channels using the arrow keys it just skipped forward and backwards on the show on the channel it was originally on
17:18<Chutt>krondor, up and down
17:18<anduinw>other arrows
17:18<Chutt>read keys.txt
17:18* tmkdid the same thing this morning
17:19<Krondor>Chutt: lol doh sorry I didn't try those (stupid question)
17:19<tmk>rkulagow__: you around?
17:20<Chutt>he's on vacation for another week, i think
17:20<tmk>ah
17:20<tmk>i was reading the dox, wanted to have him add the matrox tv-out stuff
17:20<tmk>since it's supposedly really good
17:20<tmk>but the docs don't mention that it works
17:20<tmk>or that it works well
17:20<Chutt>it's a lot more difficult to set up
17:20<Chutt>the nvidia tv out works automagically
17:21<tmk>well at least a link to some other site :)
17:21<tmk>i'd go for better picture quality over easy
17:21<tmk>but that's me
17:21* tmkpets his pvr350
17:21<Chutt>there's been a lot of people on the mythtv lists that say the nvidia tv out's better than their g200/400 tv out
17:22<Chutt>and that since it's so much easier.. =0
17:22<Chutt>err, =)
17:22<tmk>ya
17:22<tmk>ah well
17:22<tmk>maybe someday i'll move my geforce2 over to my linux box
17:23<tmk>i'm kind of impressed that v4l2 works as well as it does
17:24<tmk>enumerating inputs and such
17:24<Chutt>heh
17:24<tmk>was wierd to see all those inputs in mythtv
17:24<Chutt>yeah
17:24<Chutt>have you ever used the composite in?
17:24<tmk>not yet
17:24<tmk>but soon
17:24<Chutt>and was it #4 on yours?
17:24<Chutt>ah, ok
17:24<tmk>heh i was about to search for that info
17:24<Chutt>i thought that was weird
17:24<tmk>4 sounds right
17:24<tmk>err
17:24<Chutt>composite 4, not input # 4
17:25<tmk>ah
17:25<tmk>is it 'c' to switch inputs
17:25<tmk>in myth
17:25<Chutt>yeah
17:25* tmkmad skillz
17:25<Chutt>it doesn't like switching to placese tha don't have video signal, though
17:25<tmk>everything has video signal
17:25<tmk>it's just black
17:26<tmk>at least that's been my experience
17:26<Chutt>ah, that's probably regular v4l cards, then
17:26<Chutt>bttv doesn't like it -- doesn't sync on a non-existant signal, then starts giving crap data back
17:27<tmk>:)
17:27<tmk>quick mailinglist search indicated that test_ioctl -p 0 was composite
17:27<Chutt>yeah, that doesn't work on my 250-2
17:27<Chutt>it's p5
17:28<Krondor>yeah p5 for my 250
17:28<tmk>i need to build a cards-database too
17:28<Chutt>be nice not to have all those show up
17:28<tmk>syeah
17:28<tmk>yeah
17:28<tmk>ideally have a 'generic' model with all the inputs
17:28<tmk>but have it auto-detect
17:28<tmk>do you guys have a svideo->composite adapter
17:28<tmk>or separate plugs
17:29<Chutt>adapter on this card
17:29<tmk>both mine have adapters
17:29<Chutt>i don't remember about the 350
17:29<tmk>i think the PAL ones generally have 2 inputs
17:29<Krondor>seperate plugs here
17:29<tmk>hm
17:29<tmk>there goes that theory
17:29<Krondor>oh wait nevermind
17:29<Krondor>one is svideo out
17:30<tmk>:)
17:30<tmk>actually it's composite+svideo+audio-L+audio-R out
17:30<tmk>;)
17:30<anduinw>I have several pvr-250s now, I have a mix, adapter and dual.
17:31<tmk>wow
17:31<tmk>why so many?
17:31<Krondor>so the pvr-250s should do plenty fine? is there anything I should watch for? I heard issues with encoding and decoding simultaneously
17:31<tmk>Krondor: yeah
17:31<Chutt>because mythtv has cool multi-card conflict resolution
17:31<tmk>decoding is alpha
17:32<anduinw>tmk - I have a SO who like to watch TV, just to get the shows I want I need more :)
17:32<tmk>haha
17:32<tmk>Chutt: really? so given the choice, myth won't use a 350
17:33<tmk>how does it know?
17:33<anduinw>tmk - not how it works, works by the card number in the DB
17:33* tmkblinks
17:33<anduinw>you config multiple cards, assigning them to a backend. The myth scheduler tasks each card if it can before not recording something.
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17:34<tmk>ah
17:34<tmk>and of course mythtv decoding doesn't use hardware yet
17:35<anduinw>exaclty, so it is easy now. Though there is already logic to prefer a "local" source when watching live
17:36<anduinw>is the 350 decoder not independent?
17:36<tmk>it will be
17:36<tmk>current code is a proof-of-concept
17:36<tmk>it will be largely redone
17:36<tmk>cant encode/decode at same time on same card
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17:38<anduinw>tmk - ah thanks. Not that I'll be buying a 350 anytime soon but it will be nice to know when recommending to friends.
17:40<tmk>hopefully i'll fix it within a week or so
17:40<tmk>it WILL be possible
17:40<tmk>:)
17:40<anduinw>yeah, that is the only important thing
17:41<hadees>how do you think it will be before hardware decoding will be usable
17:41<Chutt>i'll need to redo all the OSD rendering code
17:41<hadees>just wondering if i should shell out the extra money for the pvr-350
17:43<Chutt>i dunno
17:43<Chutt>if you've got an underpowered machine that needs hardware decoding, maybe
17:44<hadees>i guess it isn't really worth it, although i would love machine that can encode two streams, rip a dvd, and let me watch live tv all at the same time
17:44<hadees>and mabey transcode somthing
17:44<Chutt>two pvr-250s in a modern machine would do that ok
17:44<Chutt>well, it should
17:44<Chutt>decoding really isn't that hard on newer machines =)
17:45<anduinw>two on an old machine isn't bad either, I use PIII 866s.
17:45<Chutt>well, for doing other stuff
17:45<Chutt>how much cpu does decoding take up on those?
17:46<hadees>what the definition of newer machine? cpu = 1ghz? 2ghz?
17:46<anduinw>stuff other than recording tv?! like recording more tv? :)
17:46<anduinw>30%
17:46<hadees>like ripping dvd
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17:47<hadees>or transcoding already recorded mpeg2 to mpeg4
17:47<anduinw>er 20% on some content
17:48<anduinw>(watchin Washington journal right now) %CPU %MEM TIME CPU COMMAND
17:48<anduinw>19.9 14.6 19:54 0 mythfrontend
17:48<anduinw>4-8mb VBR
17:48<Chutt>that's not that bad
17:48<anduinw>not bad at all
17:55<tmk>Chutt: how are you going to approach the osd code?
17:56<tmk>just split up rendering and osd?
17:56<Chutt>yup
17:56<Chutt>render to one image
17:56<tmk>is that only for the pvr350? or will it work for everything?
17:56<Chutt>then blend it in software mode, or send that to the decoder to overlay
17:56<Chutt>should work for everything
17:57<tmk>also you'll haev to treat mini-preview clips as osd
17:57<Chutt>the mini-preview clips are done with qt
17:57<Chutt>so that should work with the fb driver
17:57<tmk>ya
17:57<tmk>will it slow down performance to do the blending later?
17:57<Chutt>i'm going to keep track of interesting regions to make the software blending faster
17:57<tmk>i see
17:58<Chutt>naw, should be better, even
17:58<tmk>:)
17:58<Chutt>like right now it's re-rendering fonts all the time
17:58<Chutt>doesn't have to do that
17:58<tmk>isee
17:58<Chutt>and if there's multiple layers of images
17:58<Chutt>those are also getting done multiple times
17:58<Chutt>the alpha blending may not be as accurate, but it should still be pretty close
17:58<tmk>funny how things always seem to move towards the 'right' way of doing things
18:00<Chutt>that'll also make the osd able to work with xvmc, too
18:01<Captain_Murdoch_>Chutt, I don't remember if you answered this before for someone else, but what do you think about having LiveTV 'lock' a tuner and recompute the scheduler the same as the EXECTV stuff does?
18:01<Captain_Murdoch_>have to have a way to unlock like for pending recordings I guess if there's no other tuner free.
18:03<mdz_>Chutt: I was just looking at TV::RunTV and I'm not sure if I'm reading this right...is there some other constant delay in that loop besides the usleep(1000)
18:03<mdz_>s/$/?/
18:04<Chutt>mdz, nope
18:04<mdz_>that seems awfully tight
18:04<Chutt>captain_murdoch, well, i don't really want to recompute the scheduler so often
18:04<Chutt>it's _not_ quick
18:05<Captain_Murdoch_>ok. just thought I'd ask. I don't need it but thougth I saw some people asking. I never use LiveTV. :)
18:05<Chutt>mdz, it's a timeslice is all
18:05<mdz_>it wouldn't be so bad if I cleaned up the scheduledrecording db
18:06<mdz_>Chutt: yeah, but it's not really doing anything which needs that kind of granularity
18:06<mdz_>was thinking again recently about cpu usage while paused
18:06<mdz_>I see it only does it every 20th time through the loop
18:07<mdz_>but that loop should be very frequent
18:07<Chutt>processing keypresses
18:07<Chutt>want those to be as fast as possible
18:07<mdz_>maybe it wants a condition variable
18:07<Chutt>naw
18:08<Chutt>the usleep() there is 1/100 seconds
18:08<mdz_>keypresses come less than once per minute, why poll every 0.01 seconds?
18:08<Chutt>due to the linux scheduler
18:08<Chutt>it's not doing all that much
18:08<Chutt>then it gets dumped off again
18:09<mdz_>even if it didn't do anything at all, it's two extra context switches
18:09<Chutt>it's not really an issue
18:10<Chutt>slow down how often it redraws on pause if you want to do something about that
18:10<mdz_>200 per second
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18:15<Captain_Murdoch_>off the top of my head, could you just not draw unless OSD::Visible() is true (or maybe just once after it goes false)
18:15<Chutt>need to redraw
18:15<Chutt>time countdown, etc
18:15<Chutt>for the livetv-> recording transition
18:16<Chutt>but it certainly doesn't need to be redrawing as much as it is
18:26<tmk>excellent. my long a/v cables have been delivered. Now i can actually watch recorded stuff on my TV
18:26<tmk>hey chutt, what's involved in creating themes?
18:26<tmk>just a bunch of images?
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18:29<anduinw>tmk - and some xml
18:32<anduinw>tmk - /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes is a good place to start. It is a lot of work though. If you wait long enough someone make a better one anyway (visor) though a better OSD theme would be nice.
18:33<tmk>also, i saw 6 or so themese in the source
18:33<tmk>but only 2 in the menu
18:33<tmk>anduinw: i was hoping my g/f would be able to do one
18:33<tmk>she's artsy :)
18:36<anduinw>tmk - not trying to discourage. I went to go create my own theme and stopped. Then again I am most definitely not artsy so I found simple things like moving my mouse cumbersome :)
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19:22<jkolb>tmk: Setting the volume with test_ioctl kills my audio.
19:22<jkolb>:(
19:22<jkolb>Off to dinner.
19:22<anduinw>kills how?
19:22<anduinw>argh
19:22<anduinw>too slow
19:25<jkolb>As though it mutes it.
19:25<jkolb>(Putting on my shoes)
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19:25<anduinw>what value are you passing?
19:25<jkolb>65535
19:25<jkolb>I also tried 40000
19:25<anduinw>what does -Y say the mute setting is?
19:26<jkolb>Ah, it sets mute to 1. Why would it do that?
19:26<anduinw>Someone undid my | patch :(
19:27<jkolb>Bad tmk!
19:27<jkolb>Ok, friends're getting pissed. I really gotta go now.
19:27<anduinw>you should be able to force mute off at the same time and have it work though
19:27<jkolb>Yeah, that worked.
19:31<tmk>hmm
19:31<tmk>that patch shouldn't have gone away
19:31<tmk>grr
19:31<anduinw>tmk - can you add my | patch back in to latest? (msp3400.c line 1511)
19:31<tmk>i'll put it on my list
19:31<anduinw>thanks :)
19:32<anduinw>yeah I kept meaning to let someone know it had been slammed
19:32<Chutt>someone needs to smack will dormann
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19:48<kja>Chutt: Can you think of another fix for 'PVR250 seems to overreport bitrate'? Fixing the bitrate when it's recorded?
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19:54<kja>And: Is it only for PVR250, not 350?
19:56<kja>What bout making the fix a preference or setup option (even I could do that:)?
19:57<kja>Although the preffered way would be to correct sequence headers in ProcessData, right?
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20:34<bbeattie>.. almost done with the linux HTPC how-to, currently 14000 words...
20:36<Chutt>cool.
20:36<figgy>hot.
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21:18<billytwowilly>Chutt: you around man?
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22:09<daralc>i did apt-get install mythtv-suite on RH9 and it did not install mysqld and right after i did apt-get remove myth-tvsuite and it was like "command not found: apt-get"
22:09<Timon>that sucks :-)
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22:10<daralc>haha
22:10<daralc>isn't it supposed to... work?
22:10<daralc>:)
22:12<Timon>dunno, don't use that method. I prefer cvs
22:12* Timonis away: Huntin
22:13<daralc>Timon
22:13<daralc>wait
22:13<daralc>ok jk
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22:17<daralc>how gay is it to have to download every single packagfe individually?
22:18<anduinw>I still do it all the time.
22:18<anduinw>sometimes I even cook my own food.
22:19<bigguy>I cook alot
22:20<daralc>sigh, ok great
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22:26<michal>hi.. would a celeron 2.2ghz be enough to do anything i might want to with mythtv?
22:26<mikegrb>YES
22:27<michal>does that include realtime transcoding of divx/xvid to mpeg2 or mpeg4?
22:27<mikegrb>?
22:28<mikegrb>why? for output with a hardware mpeg2 decoder?
22:28<michal>yes
22:28<vektor>Your MPEG2 decoder can decode MPEG4?
22:28<vektor>BTW, DivX/xvid _is_ MPEG4.
22:28<michal>no but mpeg4 sounds like a good format for wireless networks so i just included it in the question
22:28<mikegrb>myth doesn't support any yet, why would you want to use a hardware decoder with a 2.2 ghz processor?
22:29<michal>because it gives infinetly superior output
22:29<michal>even after transcoding
22:29<vektor>Especially to a TV.
22:29<mikegrb>I see
22:29<michal>well i'd never use a monitor when i can use my tv :P
22:29<vektor>I don't know of any realtime MPEG2 software encoders. I would recommend you use something like a PVR-250 hardware encoder.
22:30<vektor>mikegrb: A hardware decoder can trivially output field-correct interlaced video too.
22:30<vektor>Nice for when you have a PVR-250.
22:30<vektor>Or any other interlaced MPEG2 content.
22:30<michal>umm.. mplayer and xine can do it in software.. so i doubt that the software is the problem.. i just need to know if a celeron 2.2 can handle it
22:30<vektor>michal: They encode to MPEG1.
22:30<vektor>In realtime for output to hardware decoders.
22:30<vektor>It's not very high quality.
22:30<mikegrb>vektor: thank you, I got it now <g>
22:31<daralc>whats the difference between freevo and mythtv
22:31<vektor>daralc: Written by different people, different philosophies, different design, ... ?
22:31<daralc>oh ok
22:31<michal>hmm.. are you kidding? that output looks much better than standard mpeg1.. is there something special about it?
22:31<Chutt>mythtv actually does pvr stuff
22:32<michal>ie.. very high bitrate?
22:32<Chutt>is the biggest difference
22:32<daralc>yea
22:32<vektor>michal: Maybe, I haven't looked into it. Still, for interlaced content, you're kinda screwed with MPEG1.
22:32<daralc>i have been trying to install mythtv for like 3 days now
22:33<daralc>and i wouldn't consider myself retarded
22:33<anduinw>sure but what retarded things have you done?
22:33<mdz>there is a HOWTO
22:33<michal>i played back some divx's and they looked MUCH better on the tv via the em8300.. depsite the fact that they had been transcoded.. i could actually see less artefacts.. HOWEVER.. my TV also does a lot of image processing so it may be fixing the picture somewhat
22:33<anduinw>the HOWTO is good
22:33<Chutt>michal, ffmpeg's mpeg1 encoder doesn't do interlaced content at all
22:34<vektor>Chutt: MPEG1 has no interlaced mode.
22:34<Chutt>exactly
22:34<Chutt>=)
22:34<mikegrb>vektor: I don't know if you remember my issues with tvtime and the pci video card rather then agp causing high cpu usage but playing a recording on my 1.7 ghz system took about 60-70% cpu but playing the same on an xbox, 750mhz processor only uses 30% cpu :-)
22:34<vektor>Neither do any divx/mpeg4 encoders I've seen thought oo.
22:34<michal>well maybe the source material isn't interlaced then? how many interlaced divx's are there? besides.. my tv does 100hz so I doubt this would affect me
22:34<vektor>mikegrb: Yeah, I remember, didn't you post on the radeon bug with xfree86?
22:35<mikegrb>vektor: no, sure didn't
22:35<vektor>mikegrb: Oh, fuck, you probably should
22:35<mikegrb>i see
22:35<vektor>michal: No, I don't know of any interlaced-capable divx encoders.
22:35<vektor>mikegrb: Take a look: http://bugs.xfree86.org/show_bug.cgi?id=414
22:35<Chutt>vektor, libavcodec's getting close to be able to
22:35<vektor>Chutt: Yeah, that would rock.
22:36<michal>vektor: yeah so doign interlaced is a non issue.. i'm never going to come across non mpeg2 interlaced source material
22:36<Chutt>though it's not a high priority
22:36<vektor>michal: Uh, unless you play a DVD or buy a PVR-250.
22:36<michal>vektor: my only intelaced source of video (i'm not sure it's interlaced but i expect so) is dvd and dvb
22:36<michal>and both of those are in mpeg2
22:36<vektor>michal: I thought you were building a PVR system.
22:36<vektor>So I kinda figured you'd be recording TV content.
22:36<michal>i am
22:37<vektor>Which would be interlaced.
22:37<michal>the primary source of signal will be dvb-t
22:37<michal>which is mpeg2
22:37<vektor>Ah, so you already have the MPEG2 data.
22:37<vektor>So you wouldn't need to transcode that. Nice.
22:37<michal>the rest will be divx/xvid/vcd/dvd ..
22:37<daralc>where is the howto on the website?
22:37<Chutt>http://www.mythtv.org/docs/
22:38<mdz>you click the link "Documentation" from the very front page
22:38<mdz>whoa, xfree86 actually has a bug tracking system?
22:38<Chutt>yes, it's very difficult to find =)
22:38<mdz>next thing you know, they'll have documentation or something
22:38<michal>any eta's on the next release? i think you expected it to be out by now last time you risked mentioning a time
22:38<jkolb>Crap. I managed to screw my machine out of dma. How the hell did I accomplish that?
22:39<mdz>jkolb: upgraded to 2.4.21?
22:39<Chutt>michal, tomorrow or thursday
22:39<daralc>very well written documentation, "you can use yum" and then no sample of the command for yum :)
22:39<vektor>mdz: So, what's wrong with 2.4.21?
22:39<jkolb>mdz: Is that common?
22:39<michal>Chutt: when you do releases is it just a snapshot of the cvs?
22:39<jkolb>Er, I suppose I should say 'this,' since I did.
22:39<mdz>vektor: nothing, but if you upgrade and miss the new drivers, you lose DMA
22:39<jkolb>Miss the new drivers?
22:39<Chutt>michal, of course, i don't pull code out of my ass
22:39<mdz>happened to a lot of people
22:39<Chutt>gotta come from somewhere =)
22:39<vektor>mdz: Uh, explain more, is this what is screwing my mandrake users?
22:40<michal>Chutt: i though maybe it's more complicated than that
22:40<mdz>vektor: maybe, if they're using 2.4.21
22:40<daralc>'nor do they set up your MythTV database'
22:40<Chutt>naw
22:40<vektor>mdz: They are, explain this phenomenon.
22:40<daralc>there it is, i suppose i figure that out on my own, great howto though
22:40<michal>good stuff.. that means that all the current dvb stuff will be in the next release
22:40<jkolb>mdz: Where would I find these 'new drivers'?
22:40<Chutt>daralc, well, the instructions on how to set up the database are in the howto.
22:40<mdz>jkolb: make *config
22:40<daralc>linked in the RH9 section too?
22:40<Chutt>if you were using debian, that'd be taken care of for you
22:40<daralc>:)
22:40<mdz>vektor: lemme see if I can find osmething official-looking
22:41<vektor>mdz: Thanks, I'd appreciate it.
22:41<michal>i don;t suppose mythtv-setup handles dvb users yet at this stage?
22:41<daralc>i tried with debian... but i was stuck with xfree 4.1
22:41<jkolb>ATA/IDE/blahblah?
22:41<michal>also.. does anyone know if em8300 can make use of v4l interfaces? i can never get any to show up
22:41<Chutt>michal, nope, it doesn't
22:41<mdz>vektor: http://lists.insecure.org/lists/linux-kernel/2003/Jun/0325.html
22:42<mdz>basically, you need to make sure you enable support for your IDE chipset
22:42<mdz>CONFIG_BLK_DEV_*
22:42<mdz>in my case, via82cxxx
22:43<mdz>if it's not compiled in, or the module isn't loaded, it won't let you try to enable DMA
22:43<jkolb>lspci will tell me my chipset?
22:43<mdz>more or less, yes
22:43<mdz>look for "IDE interface"
22:43<jkolb>Intel 82801BA
22:44<michal>damn.. i need to get a new computer for my pvr.. a shuttle doesn't cut it.. ironically i wish it had 2 pci slots rather than 1 pci and 1 agp.. the exact opposite of what I wanted when I bought it
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22:44<daralc>Chutt: where ya go buddy?give up?
22:45<Chutt>did you ask a question?
22:45<anduinw>jkolb - what does ls /proc/ide return?
22:45<daralc>the apt-get process is a waste of time on RH
22:45<mdz>no, he was just hassling you
22:45<Chutt>daralc, no, it's not.
22:45<mdz>about problems with red hat linux, apparently
22:45<Chutt>quite a few people are using those rpms.
22:46<jkolb>anduinw: drivers hda hdc ide0 ide1
22:46<daralc>how do i set up mysqld password? is THAT in the howto?
22:46<Chutt>yup.
22:46<mdz>read it first, THEN ask questions
22:46<mdz>rkulagow put a lot of work into it
22:46<mikegrb>daralc: I believe it is also at mysql.org
22:46<Chutt>"NOTE: It is good practice to set a root password for mysql. Instructions for doing so can be found ....."
22:46<daralc>you said...
22:46<daralc> Click on Redhat menu>Server Settings>Services
22:46<daralc>and its...
22:47<daralc> Click on Redhat menu>System Settings >Server Settings>Services
22:47<anduinw>jkolb - hmm, you should have a piix entry in there, you disabled the the Intel PII driver.
22:47<mdz>has anyone seen one of these "Telly" units? do they do anything original?
22:47<anduinw>jkolb - it is enabled by default.
22:48<jkolb>Yeah, I did that.
22:48<jkolb>I'll go fix it now.
22:49<jkolb>Shan't be long now
22:50<anduinw>who knows, with no DMA reading and writing all those files... :)
22:50<jkolb>I get a whopping 3.5MB/s!
22:50* jkolbsighs
22:50<daralc>Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed
22:51<daralc>what does that mean?
22:51<anduinw>my via chipset box gets < 1MB/s
22:51<jkolb>Ow.
22:52<Chutt>daralc, ignore it.
22:53<phar0e>can I use MythWEB to have certain programs use certain recording profiles? I know with mythfrontend I can hit I think it's "i" when in record screen to choose..
22:53<Chutt>phar0e, with mythweb cvs you can.
22:53<Chutt>i'm not sure if that's in mythweb2 yet
22:53<phar0e>Woah!!
22:53<phar0e>didn't even know about mythweb cvs
22:53<phar0e>thanks chutt
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22:54<Chutt>everything's in cvs :p
22:54<Chutt>you'll need cvs mythtv to work with it, of course
22:54<daralc>Chutt: might want to set that timeout on the zipcode a little longer... it tries to update and hangs for a second before i can even type it in :)
22:54<Chutt>it doesn't update until you've gotten 5 numbers typed in
22:55<daralc>i get 4 in and it hangs
22:55<phar0e>I'll make the transition to mythtv/web cvs later tonight after my shows have finished recording
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22:56<Chutt>you've gotten 5 in, it's waiting on xmltv.
22:57<Chutt>i'm fairly sure that's covered in the howto as well
22:57<Chutt>amazingly enough :p
22:57<jkolb>Wait, there's a howto?
22:57<daralc>Unknown option: list-regions
22:57<daralc>To configure: /usr/bin/tv_grab_uk --configure [--config-file FILE]
22:57<daralc>To grab listings: /usr/bin/tv_grab_uk [--config-file FILE] [--output FILE] [--days N] [--offset N]
22:57<daralc>parameterless "use IO" deprecated at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/XML/Writer.pm line 16
22:57<mdz>jkolb: no, I don't think so
22:58<mdz>jkolb: I wish someone would write one; people ask a lot of the same questions over and over
22:58<daralc>thats what it says in console while i am in mythtvsetup
22:58<mdz>jkolb: and paste their error output into the channel
22:58<jkolb>mdz: Are you sure?
22:58<daralc>i wish there were no errors in applications so i could use them
22:58<mikegrb>mdz: I haven't seen any pasting
22:58<anduinw>daralc - that is all from xmltv
22:59<daralc>:/
22:59<daralc>well...
22:59<mdz>interestingly enough, there's a section in the howto explaining the requirements for xmltv
22:59<daralc>i have the latest version of xmltv, fresh install
22:59<daralc>so perhaps its your code that interfaces with xmltv? :o
22:59<Chutt>nope.
22:59<anduinw>not _my_ code ;)
22:59<jkolb>It's an xmltv dependency, IIRC.
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22:59<Chutt>that's all xmltv
23:00<jkolb>Writer.pm, most likely.
23:00<anduinw>daralc - you're not using .10 are you?
23:00<mdz>did that guy's patches to support non-interactive configuration of tv_grab_uk make it upstream?
23:00<daralc>NOTE: 0.5.14 is the last version that will work with MythTV 0.10. XMLTV 0.5.15 will only work with CVS versions of MythTV.
23:00<mdz>he added the necessary options like 6 months ago
23:00<daralc>oh
23:00<daralc>i am using .10
23:00<daralc>its what apt-get installed
23:00<Chutt>mdz, i dunno
23:00<mdz>daralc: whoa, where did you find that information?
23:00<daralc>ya know, the packages "everyone else is using fine"
23:00<Chutt>i don't really care
23:01<jkolb>Or maybe I'm way off base. Who can tell, really?
23:01<anduinw>daralc - oops nevermind, just read the _uk bit
23:02<jkolb>Woo! making modules_install!
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23:03<daralc>i don't see how to get the cvs in the howto? :)
23:03<Chutt>first section.
23:05<daralc>just so you guys know...
23:06<daralc>apt-get install mythtv-suite, installs xmltv .15
23:06<daralc>which is incompatible with .10 of mythtv that apt-get installs
23:06<Chutt>no, it's not.
23:06<daralc>:)
23:06<daralc>i just did it, and you use debian anyway
23:06<Chutt>as noted on the webpage, those rpms were updated with the bits to fix it for xmltv .15
23:06<mikegrb>daralc: the rpm is updated to work with .10 and .15 xmltv
23:06<daralc>the docs weren't updated, my b
23:07<daralc>if you update a version with a patch such as to work with xmltv .15, wouldn't that change it to mythtv .11?
23:08<daralc>or .10b ? i'm confused what version is how what when
23:08<Chutt>it was a tiny little fix
23:08<Chutt>and it wasn't in the source
23:08<daralc>oh i don't really care i was just sayin
23:09<Chutt>rpm maintainers apply patches to things.
23:09<Chutt>and that doesn't make it a new version.
23:10<daralc>well,... yea it does... if you choose not to number it then its "not" but i mean its like burning something and saying there was nochange
23:11<daralc>did you ever do that in science class...
23:11<daralc>where you learn about chemical /physical change... its kinda like that
23:11<anduinw>daralc - look at the patches RH throws into a lot of their RPMs
23:11<daralc>changes happen
23:11<daralc>i'm not targeting you guys
23:11<daralc>i'm just saying its a flawed practice
23:11<daralc>if RH jumped off a bridge would you?
23:12<daralc>2 wrongs don't make a right
23:12<daralc>:)
23:12<anduinw>i'm just a lame user, not "one of you guys"
23:12<daralc>?
23:13<daralc>i'm just breaking your balls Chutt you don't have to take it so personal :)
23:13<jkolb>I got introduced as 'one of the guys who worked on' a product that I am the sole author of at work today.
23:13<mdz>the whole point of packaging is to change the program to integrate with the rest of the system and to best serve the needs of the users of the distribution
23:13<anduinw>ouch
23:13<daralc>so putting out 2 different versions of the same version makes it easy for me as a user?
23:14<bbeattie>If anyone wants to take some time and help me, I have the rough draft of my hTPC done, and I may be wrong on some things, or missing things. http://www.sllug.org/how-to/linux-htpc/introduction.html
23:14<mdz>they are not the same version
23:14<jkolb>Booyah! DMA is back!
23:14<daralc>thats what i am saying
23:14<mdz>if you look closely, you'll notice that the version number of that package is not "0.10"
23:14<anduinw>daralc - the package version contains different stuff... that is _why_ you choose to install it rather than install the source!
23:14<daralc>so why would they have the same version number if they aren't the same version
23:15<mdz>they don't have the same version number
23:15<mdz>which you would realize if you bothered to look at it before complaining
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23:16<mdz>if you're running the most recent one, is 0.10-28
23:16<daralc>rohkay
23:16<mdz>28 revisions since 0.10
23:17<daralc>oh ok
23:17<daralc>sweet
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23:24<bbeattie>If anyone reads my how-to, I will be back thursday night on irc and would appreciate feedback, thanks. :)
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23:26<daralc>make: *** No rule to make target `/mkspecs/linux-g++/qmake.conf', needed by `Makefile'. Stop.
23:27<daralc>?
23:27<daralc>what am i missing
23:29<mikegrb>the docs
23:29<mikegrb>has it's on section
23:30<mikegrb>maybe it was in trouble shooting but it is on the contents
23:30<jkolb>Hey, fast forward is fast again!
23:30<mikegrb>heh
23:30<jkolb>Wow. Actually, it's faster than it's ever been before.
23:33<anduinw>daralc - qt-devel?
23:34<daralc>maybe so
23:35<daralc>if i am missing the mkspecs from the qtdir
23:36<mikegrb>daralc: did you read that section in the docs?
23:37<daralc>yea
23:37<daralc>i was missing qt-devel
23:37<daralc>so i couldn't even symlink mkspecs
23:38<mikegrb>okay, just checking ;)
23:46<phar0e>anyone here use that "auto-cut" commercials feature?
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23:50<daralc>loIn file included from NuppelVideoPlayer.cpp:18:
23:50<daralc>NuppelVideoRecorder.h:15:23: lame/lame.h: No such file or directory
23:51<anduinw>install lame
23:52<daralc>lame is installed and is the latest version.
23:52<daralc>says yum
23:53<anduinw>lame-devel?
23:53<daralc>heh
23:53<daralc>nah
23:53<krondor_>for best quality video I should be using hardware mjpeg with quality at 100 and non compressed audio correct? for a mythtv setup with pvr250?
23:54<anduinw>no
23:54<anduinw>the only setting the pvr250 is sent is the resolution
23:55<krondor_>from rjpeg? so if rjpeg says it is 480x480 I could bump it to 720x480?