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---Logopened Tue Aug 19 00:00:30 2003
00:04<mikegrb>paulproteus: how do I get the equivalent of a <br> on the wiki?
00:04<mikegrb>er sorry, wrong window
00:05<paulproteus>:)
00:47<srl>Do any of you use snes9x with MythGame?
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00:52<orangey>hey guys!
00:56<srl>Hey orangey
01:00<orangey>how's it going, my friend?
01:00<srl>Alright
01:00<srl>I finally got a card with tv out
01:00<srl>heh
01:00<orangey>: )
01:01<orangey>and now you're trying out myth on your TV?
01:01<srl>Yeah
01:01<srl>As opposed to my monitor
01:01<srl>heh
01:01<orangey>what's the newest version like?
01:01<srl>Well, I don't actually use the TV features
01:01<srl>hehe
01:01<orangey>what features do you use?
01:01<srl>And I don't have a DVD drive, so I can't really tell you much about new features
01:02<srl>MythMusic, MythGame, MythVideo, and MythWeather
01:03<orangey>why wouldn't you use the TV stuff?
01:03<orangey>still, all of those things do make myth worth it..
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01:04* paulproteus sticks to MythMusic, and maybe MythWeather if he can figure out how to get it installed at a later date
01:04<srl>orangey: No cable, no video in
01:04<srl>hehe
01:04<srl>paulproteus: It isn't tough to install
01:04<paulproteus>Maybe I just forgot to apt-get it then ;)
01:04<srl>paulproteus: Just compile and enter your zipcode in a dialog box
01:04<srl>heh
01:04<srl>paulproteus: You don't use cvs? :)
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01:33<Timon>Chutt: You here?
01:38<Timon>Chutt: I hope you see this in the scroll back. . . I did find a small bug in the changes you made to my lcd patch. . . In lcddevice.cpp, move 'lcd_ready = true;' on line 355 to line 344
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01:39<orangey>hmmm. anybody having problems with zap2it at the very moment?
01:39<Timon>orangey: did you apply the patches to your xmltv?
01:40<orangey>Timon: I have been completely out of touch for just over 2 months now, so no
01:40<orangey>where is the patch?
01:41<Timon>dunno, try getting the latest xmltv
01:41<orangey>Timon: you know what version that might be?
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01:42<Timon>.15 something or other
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01:43<orangey>yep. i'm doing 0.5.16
01:43<orangey>could you try something just so I can rule out a zap2it problem?
01:45<Timon>orangey: It is a zap2it problem :-)
01:45<Timon>They changed there stuff a few weeks ago.
01:45<orangey>Timon: how have you coped?
01:46<Timon>Mine doesn't work. I updated mine right before it broke again. been busy working on the LCD stuff.
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01:55<ahbritto>After upgrading to 0.11 I get no audio in recordings or in live tv till I change a channel with pvr-250s. Any suggestions?
01:56<Timon>this has been answered a bunch on the list. . .
01:56<bline>yeah, update your driver to current cvs
01:56<Timon>Upgrade your ivtv
01:56<bline>this is a known bug
01:56<ahbritto>thanks.
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08:54<rkulagow_>hey, so i'm back. did i miss anything?
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09:37<engiexp>Hi. does mythtv use mplayed to do mpeg2 playing (eg if streaming back a recording, or resuming from pause or whatever)
09:37<engiexp>mplayer, sorry
09:38<jkolb>It does its own mpeg decoding for live tv and recordings playback.
09:46<mdz_>rkulagow_: what do you think about converting the howto from linuxdoc to docbook?
09:56<engiexp>Do you know if MythTV supports the hardware MPEG2 decoder that's on the new epia M series boards?
09:57<Chutt>the only thing that supports that decoder is a hacked up version of xine
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10:19<rkulagow_>mdz: i had actually started looking at docbook format and then ran out of time before leaving for vacation. linuxdoc is nice for "simple" stuff, but lacks features. i'm just getting my feet wet with docbook.
10:20<mdz_>rkulagow_: oh, great
10:20<mdz_>rkulagow_: so you wouldn't mind if I converted it? :-)
10:21<mdz_>rkulagow_: I made a few small updates to the howto while you were gone, and added a Makefile to CVS so that everyone builds it in the same way
10:24<Chutt>rkulagow, welcome back =)
10:24<rkulagow_>mdz: if you're feeling froggy, go for it.
10:24<rkulagow_>chutt: thanks.
10:25<rkulagow_>mdz: i synced with cvs last night, the first section still says that the howto is for 0.10. are you going to convert soon, or should i do a sync first?
10:25<rkulagow_>mdz: also, thanks for picking up the slack.
10:25<mdz_>rkulagow_: I think mentioned in the commit message that while I updated most of the version numbers to 0.11 (like the examples), I left the one at the top intentionally
10:26<mdz_>rkulagow_: I figured someone should make a pass and make sure it really has any necessary updates for 0.11 before declaring it to be for 0.11
10:26<mdz_>I don't know if there actually are any
10:27<rkulagow_>i think the only thing that would need to be edited is the XMLTV version number that's recommeded for 0.10 (i'm assuming that latest is bestest?)
10:27<rkulagow_>bbl; unpacking crap and laundry.
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10:32<jkolb>Chutt: What would I do without my morning dose of 'Where's the bt?' on -dev?
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10:47<Chutt>heh
10:48<Chutt>stupid lame.h has a enum with '
10:48<Chutt>MMX' in it
11:06<mdz_>sucks
11:06<mdz_>since when?
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12:25<Chutt>mdz, since forever -- i had to fix it a long time ago in mythtv, forgot about it for the lame.h include in mythmusic
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13:06<mdz_>Chutt: and yet you move my enums from classes into global scope :-P
13:06<Chutt>yeah, but they're not easily reuseable stuff
13:08<Chutt>and the class name length and the enum length was waaay to long
13:08<mdz_>vim doesn't do identifier completion?
13:08<Chutt>not for typing them in, just for overall line length
13:31<sfr>Chutt hi, the change to lameencoder.h is for systems without mmx unit?
13:31<Chutt>nope
13:31<Chutt>it's for compilation -- see the guy's mail on the list
13:36<sfr>i saw it, but don't understand it. why is it failing when MMX is defined? is it set to a different value?
13:37<Chutt>there's an enum in lame.h with a MMX member
13:38<Chutt>that conflicts with the MMX define in mythtv, if you compile mythmusic with the same environment that you compile mythtv with
13:39<alkern>mdz_: did you happen to get my doc fixes for gentoo?
13:39<mdz_>alkern: I did, I had a few questions but haven't gotten around to writing them up
13:39<sfr>Chutt so it's like a naming conflict?
13:40<mdz_>alkern: you removed the section which said to install mysql; is that taken care of by the ebuild now or something?
13:40<Chutt>sfr, yup
13:40<mdz_>alkern: also, you removed this line:
13:40<mdz_>-Locate the line that contains: <tt>#/usr/local/portage</tt> and remove the #
13:40<mdz_>but left the example that it referred to
13:40<mdz_>alkern: other than that, it looks fine. if you can clarify those two things I'll get it merged
13:41<alkern>hmm, I might have missed some. basically there's no need to muck around with a local portage. everything is in. just need to sync and emerge mythtv
13:41<Chutt>is it still masked off as unstable or whatever the hell you guys call it?
13:41<alkern>heh. yeah, I'll give it a week and bump it to stable if there are no bug reports
13:42<alkern>i got two bogus reports yesterday :)
13:42<mecraw>alkern: is there a way to write an ebuild that will build from cvs?
13:43<alkern>mecraw: I have cvs ebuilds in my local tree
13:43<mecraw>btw, i upgraded to .11 last night on gentoo and mythtv and mythweather worked great, didn't try the others yet
13:43<alkern>they're not going into portage though...one because I don't like cvs builds....and Chutt will have my head on a pike :)
13:44<Chutt>i do release _fairly_ often now
13:44<mecraw>could you make them available somewhere or are they pretty easy to write?
13:44<Chutt>and i keep hoping to improve the release cycle speed
13:44<mdz_>alkern: so you're saying that the example screen should be deleted as well?
13:45<mdz_>-Locate the line that contains: <tt>#/usr/local/portage</tt> and remove the #
13:45<mdz_> <tscreen><verb>
13:45<mdz_> # ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86" emerge mythtv
13:45<mdz_> </verb></tscreen>
13:45<alkern>mecraw: http://dev.gentoo.org/~max/ebuilds
13:45<alkern>mdz_: that part is necessary for now because mythtv is still in the "testing" tree
13:45<mdz_>the screen definitely doesn't make any sense without that text
13:45<mdz_>ok, so I will omit that part of your patch which removes the text
13:46<mecraw>alkern: great!!! thanks
13:46<alkern>that # ACCEPT line is the actual command to run
13:46<alkern>the /usr/local/portage line is just to enable a local portage tree, and is uneccessary now.
13:47<mdz_>ahh, ok
13:47<mdz_>so that is actually a separate instruction
13:47<mdz_>I see now
13:47<alkern>yup
13:48<alkern>mecraw: I haven't had a chance to update those cvs ebuilds to the new stuff (i.e. separate mythfrontend ebuild, etc)
13:48<Chutt>up to > 250 worm emails today
13:49<alkern>Chutt: I just spent two hours clearing my server's 5000 message postfix queue, and 400 message mailman queue, i feel your pain :)
13:49<mecraw>alkern: i see, i'll just poke around anyway
13:49<Chutt>heh
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13:51<Chutt>heh, the smooth multi-speed playback stuff works ok
13:51<Chutt>would be even better if it resampled the audio along with it
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13:52<bbeattie>is using a dxr, or xvmc the only way to get perfect DVD playback video? So far, using xine and mplayer with XV extensions, I still get some clipping/jitter when there is motion. ..
13:52<mdz_>alkern: committed your updates
13:52<alkern>mdz_: thanks!
13:54<Chutt>bbeattie, even xvmc doesn't deal with jitter properly
13:57<bbeattie>so how does one get perfect or near perfect dvd playback, on a computer?
13:58<Chutt>you use windows :p
13:58<bbeattie>.. are you being serious?
13:58<jkolb>Or you hollow out the inside and put in a $50 DVD player from Wal Mart.
13:59<Chutt>pretty serious
13:59<Chutt>there's no standard way in X to get vblank information
13:59<Chutt>so it's sorta difficult to only update at the proper time
14:00<Chutt>tvtime does it
14:00<Chutt>mythtv does it with the experimental a/v sync stuff and an nvidia card..
14:00<bbeattie>but neither xine nor mplayer do it?
14:00<Chutt>not that i'm aware of
14:00<jkolb>My i815 gives you vblank info, in that you can only blit once per refresh.
14:00<Chutt>jkolb, heh, even that's better than nothing =)
14:01<Chutt>i think mplayer with the directfb g400 output driver will do it
14:01<Chutt>maybe
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14:23<jhurliman>does the experimental A/V sync add any reasonable overhead? i'm getting skipping (rebuffering messages) and trying to figure out how to optimize things
14:24<Chutt>adds a tiny bit more overhead, yes
14:25<jhurliman>it's always done this, but i've had other things to debug. now the system is flawless except for the rebuffering
14:25<jhurliman>its less than one a minute so not agonizing, but if its something simple i'd like to fix it
14:26<jhurliman>is it most likely caused by disk bandwidth, the capture card, the encoding, the decoding, ?
14:27<paulproteus>What's your disk bandwidth like?
14:27<paulproteus>hdparm -tT /dev/drive
14:27<jhurliman>n/m actually, it must be the decoding because if i rewind and play a section again it plays fine
14:27<jhurliman>i get around 38MB reads
14:28<mdz_>jhurliman: er, it's still decoding it the second time
14:28<jhurliman>2ghz athlon, hauppauge wintv
14:28<jhurliman>mdz_: yes, but if it was the fault of the recording there would be dropped frames in the ringbuffer i assume
14:29<mdz_>jhurliman: those wouldn't cause rebuffering messages
14:29<jhurliman>what i meant was, the skips are in the playback, not the recording itself
14:29<jhurliman>ahh ok thanks
14:29<jhurliman>i guess i should look at the code...
14:29<mdz_>does it only happen when you watch live?
14:29<jhurliman>yes
14:30<Chutt>current cvs/0.11?
14:30<jhurliman>wait no, watching recordings too
14:30<mdz_>my system gets a bit of that sometimes. depends on the recording and such. it's just a tiny bit too slow
14:30<Chutt>what kind of files?
14:30<jhurliman>0.11, rtjpeg @ 216
14:30<mdz_>216?
14:30<jhurliman>(wasnt sure if i should scale rtjpeg number down or up)
14:30<Chutt>try something that's compressed more.
14:30<jhurliman>ok
14:30<mdz_>it tells you in the context-sensitive help
14:31<jhurliman>well, i wasnt sure if the extra compression was increasing the overhead, or if the lack of compression was causing a disk bottleneck. im not familiar with jpeg compression algorithms
14:31<Chutt>well
14:31<Chutt>switch over to mpeg4
14:31<Chutt>you've got the cpu for it
14:31<jhurliman>ok, question about mpeg4
14:32<jhurliman>is it worth it to record with high quality options turned off, and then transcode with hq turned on, or is that pointless?
14:33<Chutt>i really don't see a difference with the hq stuff
14:34<Chutt>480x480, mpeg4 at 4400, max 2, min 9, max diff 3, scale bitrate, mp3 @ 32kHz, quality 7
14:34<Chutt>is what i use when i do analog recordings
14:34<jhurliman>oh also my capture resolution is at 400x400, i'm wondering if tuning it back to 480x480 would hurt or help
14:34<jhurliman>i need to test
14:34<Chutt>you generally want to capture at a height of 240 or 480
14:34<jhurliman>ok i'll try that out, thanks!
14:35<jhurliman>ahh makes sense
14:35<jhurliman>well this is coming together really nicely. i got tvtime working nicely with EXECTV, i wrote a script to unmute, tvtime, mute the Aux line with alsa
14:36<jhurliman>if anyone else uses that it could go in contrib/
14:38* paulproteus suggests putting it in contrib and THEN finding out if people use it :)
14:39<jhurliman>well, i don't have a CVS account, but i can dump it into the channel or post it to the list
14:40<jkolb>Chutt: Feel like committing that fix for mythweb2? Chris Petersen hasn't seen fit to do it yet, it seems.
14:41<Chutt>sure
14:41<Chutt>thanks for reminding me
14:42<jkolb>np
14:43<bbeattie>is the only way to change the dvd plugin player settings to recompile it? I don't see the settings in the database
14:43<Chutt>it's in the db.
14:44* sfr thinks the settings table has grown too big
14:45<Chutt>heh
14:45<Chutt>shouldn't ever be touching it, so =)
14:45<jhurliman>*shrug* the alternative would be individual tables for everything that needs to store settings, so there's an overflow of tables instead of records
14:46<jhurliman>i added three fields there myself
14:46<mdz_>s/tables/columns/
14:46<jhurliman>database lingo, eh :)
14:46<sfr>jhurliman only 1 per plugin
14:46<mdz_>that wouldn't work anyway, since mysql has a maximum number of columns per table
14:47<paulproteus>The list is good enough, jhurliman. I wish we had a user-maintained FAQ or Wiki here.
14:48<Chutt>erm
14:48<Chutt>all the docs are user maintained.
14:48* paulproteus nods in deference, slightly embarrassed.
14:48<paulproteus>Good point, Chutt.
14:48<Chutt>i don't write any of them :p
14:48<Chutt>and wikis suck.
14:48<paulproteus>I meant more decentralized-like, but, er, yeah. :)
14:48<paulproteus>Why do Wikis suck?
14:48<Chutt>because they're a horrible idea.
14:49<paulproteus>I've used them quite successfully in the past. Having people log in helps, to start.
14:49<paulproteus>Hmm. That's an interesting piece of flamebait. Would you care to elaborate? ;)
14:50<Chutt>not especially.
14:50* paulproteus shrugs
14:50<paulproteus>Okay.
14:50<jhurliman>sfr: true, but in some cases you get a lot of plugins. i have a machine running mythtv/mythgame/mythdvd/mythsettings/mythtransfer/mythweather/blah/blah/blah
14:52<jhurliman>i worked for a company where all of our collaboration was web-based, through a wiki interface (zope backend). it's really nice when you have 10 guys with access, and full-time web programmers and graphic artists improving it. i've never seen a wiki i liked in a different situation
14:52<paulproteus>unmodded.mine.nu/docs/ is an adequate wiki
14:52<paulproteus>It's the Wiki I'm hosting for the xbox-linux project
14:53<jhurliman>ahha, speaking of xbox-linux i got debian on an xbox for the first time two days ago
14:54<paulproteus>Nifty.
14:54<paulproteus>I hope my wireless USB card gets enough bandwidth to stream FLAC files.
15:00<jhurliman>i'm still looking for a good media player for linux though (prepares for the flames in #mythtv)
15:01<jhurliman>in a situation where there is no tv available
15:02<jhurliman>i guess i could trick mythtv into thinking there was a recording device, then deleting the tv options from the menu
15:02<FryGuy>mplayer?
15:02<FryGuy>xine?
15:02<Chutt>you don't need to run the backend
15:02<Chutt>if there's no tv recording going on
15:02<jhurliman>FryGuy: oops, i meant media interface, not player
15:03<jhurliman>oooh, really. hmm where have i been
15:03<Chutt>it connects to the backend the first time it needs it
15:03<jhurliman>are 0.11 debs available then?
15:03<Chutt>so if there's no tv icon, it's not going to try
15:03<Chutt>of course :p
15:04<jhurliman>hmm, mythtv on xbox tonight :)
15:04<paulproteus>I hate to use this channel to look for competitors, but jhurliman, if you do find an even-nicer TV-type music navigation/organization system, do drop me a note.
15:04<paulproteus>jhurliman: That's where mine lives. :)O
15:04<paulproteus>s/O//
15:04<mikegrb>jhurliman: me too :-)
15:05<mikegrb>though I use it for tv too
15:05<Chutt>why am i always fixing other people's code?
15:05<jhurliman>paulproteus: i followed freevo for a while back in dec/january, mythtv was way ahead of it at the time but maybe it's catching up. myth is extremely good at what it does, but it cant be everything
15:05<mikegrb>because your a nice guy?
15:06<paulproteus>jhurliman: I don't expect it to be; I just don't yet know of anything that's better.
15:06<paulproteus>Perhaps it's because Chutt 0wnz :).
15:06<jhurliman>i would like to find something with a web radio interface (so i can rip out the guts and put it in a myth plugin)
15:06<paulproteus>(Or perhaps it's because he fixes other people's code.)
15:06<Chutt>web radio's easy
15:06<mikegrb>Chutt: mythfan might not be around for a few days, it's having some stability issues, I've files a bug report and I'm looking into it to but I won't bother everyone with it joining and quiting every hour
15:07<Chutt>it's more stable than some people in here
15:07<mikegrb>heh yes I know <g>
15:07<jhurliman>well then, i'll make a nice gui for it and someone else can drop the code in :-)
15:07<jhurliman>mythfan?
15:07<paulproteus>jhurliman: Yay! My parents would love that! :-)
15:07<paulproteus>mythfan is hit pet bot.
15:07<jhurliman>ahhh
15:08<mikegrb>jhurliman: a bot for logging, logs are at http://greb.ods.org/cgi-bin/index.pl and are searchable
15:08<jhurliman>nice
15:08<mikegrb>you can also search the logs via msg
15:09<paulproteus>Maybe I should have jibot join this channel.
15:09<Chutt>if it talks, it's gone.
15:13* paulproteus grins
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15:27<Chutt>there, just made the backend continue running if there weren't any cards in the db
15:27<Chutt>not that you _need_ to run it, but, whatever
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15:34<jhurliman>Chutt: :-)
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15:44<kja>Chutt: I was wrong somewhere?
15:44<Chutt>kja, yes, it was.
15:45<kja>ah, just looked at it, header detection was to weak
15:46<Chutt>your frequency calculation wasn't right, either
15:46<Chutt>but i just fixed that.
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15:47<Chutt>you basically weren't adjusting for the mpeg2.5 extensions
15:47<kja>ahh, bit hard when i don't have the specs :)
15:47<Chutt>so i just took that code out of libavcodec.
15:48<kja>cool, i'll test it now...
15:51<kja>i guess none of the affected streams was 2.5..
15:51<Chutt>heh.
15:51<Chutt>well
15:51<Chutt>it could be your mono problem.
15:51<kja>s/was/was not
15:51<Chutt>since mpeg2.5 basically is just the sampling rate cut in half.
15:52<kja>strike that last line
15:52<Chutt>you going to modify things to handle ac3 -> mp2 switching?
15:52<kja>ok, but no change..because it works with my old patch in libmyth
15:53<kja>hmm, yea, why not
15:54<kja>love a challenge, but i've got to do some work on a dvb table parser first
16:00<kja>Where do those blue bars in 16:9 come from: xv or libavcodec?
16:00<Chutt>it needs to black out the display where it's not drawing.
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16:33<tzanger>does mythtv require avview?
16:36<Chutt>why would it require that?
16:36<tzanger>just wondering... I put my mythtv box away for a bit and I had downloaded some extras to test other aspects of the system... :-)
16:36<tzanger>is mythweather working or is it permanently down?
16:36<Chutt>read the webpage.
16:37<tzanger>I see it's got a new version
16:37<tzanger>oh
16:37<tzanger>ok
16:37<Chutt>and, it will not work with aiw cards at all, since the drivers suck.
16:37<tzanger>I must have missed it
16:37<tzanger>Chutt: yeah I know... which is a shame but no fault of mythtv's. I have a GeForce2MX with video out now, and my crappy little BT878 card
16:38<Chutt>avview is really only useful for aiw cards, no?
16:38<tzanger>I honestly don't remember, it's been a while since I've been screwing with mythtv and video out especially
16:38<tzanger>er video in
16:39<tzanger>I'm keeping my eyes out for a cheap(er) DVB card so I can pull ExpressVu's streams in without going through the decode -> encode process
16:40<FryGuy>argh. I can't get line-in to record right since I put a second sound card in here
16:43<tzanger>hmm where is xvMC found? Google's not being much help
16:44<tzanger>or is it an X extension built into the server?
16:44<tzanger>My NV driver is supposed to support it
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17:03<mdz_>Chutt: I suppose you could do v4l capture with avview
17:03<mdz_>but yeah, there's really no point unless you have an AIW
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17:04<hyperm>mythtv is looking really grey , so i tried another tv app and when i changed the frequency it fixed the color issue
17:04<hyperm>trying to figure out how i change that in myth
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17:14<jhurliman>hyperm: change the frequency for a specific channel?
17:15<hyperm>all
17:15<hyperm>like when i run tvtime if i adjust the broadcast frequency all the channels come in properly
17:15<Chutt>look at your syslog, i'm pretty sure it'll say you have a PAL tuner, but you really have a ntsc one.
17:15<hyperm>ya it was doing that
17:16<hyperm>its tuner 5 which is pal
17:16<hyperm>hrmm
17:16<Chutt>at least, i'm assuming you need ntsc because of your hostname
17:16<hyperm>yeah
17:16<hyperm>i do need ntsc
17:16<hyperm>but the tuner is adjusting to pal
17:16<hyperm>the picture is coming out
17:16<Chutt>basically, all you need to do is load the tuner module with the proper type
17:16<hyperm>k
17:17<hyperm>happen to know the command/?
17:17<Chutt>not offhand
17:17<Chutt>search the mythtv lists for 'channels off by one' or whatnot
17:19<mdz_>I believe it's in the HOWTO as well
17:19<mdz_>at least, it used to be in the FAQ and I think all of that is in the HOWTO now
17:22<mdz_><sect1>My channels are off by one.
17:22<jhurliman>modprobe bttv tuner=X
17:22<hyperm>ah thx
17:23<jhurliman>where tuner is your proper tuner. do a google for bttv and the name of your card, hopefully it turns up
17:23<jhurliman>or try upgrading bttv, a lot of tuner detection has been fixed in new releases according to the changelog
17:23<hyperm>k
17:24<hyperm>i know what tuner it is actually just forgot that command
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17:27<hyperm>cool it fixed it
17:28<hyperm>is that now permanant or do i need to add to some conf file?
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17:29<Timon>hyperm: there is some config file you can edit, don't remember off the top of my head, might be modprobe.conf where you can specify all that jazz
17:30<hyperm>k
17:31<FryGuy>modules.conf?
17:32<Timon>yeah, thats it
17:33<FryGuy>it's in /etc/
17:33<FryGuy>and if you're on debian you have to put it a file in /etc/modutils/ then run update-modules as root
17:33<hyperm>k cool
17:33<FryGuy>it compiles all the files in that directory to modules.conf for you (i don't understand why, but it does)
17:49<hyperm>anyone here have luck getting tv out to work on an ati card
17:49<hyperm>im trying gatos but the instruction are quite confusing
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18:07<jhurliman>xF|ux: hey
18:08<mdz>FryGuy: so that packages can supply module information to be included in modules.conf
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18:53<sfr>Chutt, got a minute?
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19:00<Timon>Anyone know how to serialize complex datatypes with QT?
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19:12<mechou>what's a good lightweight wm for use with mythtv & light websurfing, email, etc?
19:12<jkolb>I've been using openbox. Seems to work well.
19:12<sfr>windowmaker?
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19:15<mechou>how do those wm compare with fluxbox? I haven't tried openbox (and never touched windomaker...., well, once ;))
19:15<jkolb>I think the *box wms are a lot alike.
19:16<mechou>oops, should have qualified my question, startup and (light) footprint....
19:16<sfr>i like that with windowmaker you can define which appl. starts on which screen
19:17<jkolb>I've never used the multiple screens stuff.
19:17<jkolb>So that's not really a plus for me.
19:18<mechou>sfr, can you give example why you need multiple screens on your mythbox....
19:20<sfr>he, 1 for tv, the other one for lopster
19:22<jkolb>openbox has VmSize: 4172kB, VmRSS: 932kB, vmData: 320kB, VmStk: 40kB, VmExe: 444kB, VmLib: 3180kB. Seems like a fairly small footprint to me.
19:23<hyperm>is running kde going to slow down myth a good bit ? or is it just more of a memory footprint thing
19:24<mechou>kde is a dog, takes forever to start....
19:24<hyperm>yeah it is
19:24<hyperm>has a pretty ui tho =P
19:25<sfr>hyperm but do you need that on a tv?
19:25<hyperm>tru
19:25<mechou>hyperm, wellm that's the thing, no need for it on tv
19:26<hyperm>what video cards are you guys using for tv out, ive had really bad luck with my ati ;/
19:27<sfr>a matrox marvel g400 tv
19:28<Timon>hyperm: get a cheap nvidia geforce 440 mx
19:28<mechou>good choice, and I'd wager >90% of mythtv users use nvidia
19:28<hyperm>ah oolk
19:28<Timon>it has svga, s-vid, and rca out
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19:31<kyi>very quite in here
19:31<mechou>word is video cards w/ conexant tv _encoder_ is best for svid out
19:31<hyperm>slick fluxbox fixed my myth slowness problem
19:31<hyperm>heh
19:32<kyi>man my onboard via sound card sucks for a frontend
19:32<kyi>plays fine for a few minutes and then starts to play in slow motion
19:33<kyi>looks like I will get another sblive tonight
19:33<mechou>hyperm, what myth slowness prob?
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19:34<hyperm>was jittering
19:35<hyperm>pausing every few secs
19:35<hyperm>its only like a 1ghz athalon
19:35<hyperm>so that might be why
19:35<mechou>yeah, that could be. every little bit helps out ther, I'd imagine.
19:35<jkolb>hyperm: pvr250?
19:36<hyperm>jkolb nah just a leadtek winfast
19:36<jkolb>Ah.
19:38<hyperm>im still waiting for a pvr card that will encode directly into mpeg4
19:41<mechou>hyperm, how much are you willing to pay for such a card (that encodes directly to mpeg4)
19:42<hyperm>i dont know do they exist?
19:42<hyperm>mech they like incredibly expensive to make or something
19:42<hyperm>?
19:42<mechou>hyperm, don't think so
19:43<mechou>don't think they exist yet, that is....
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19:45<hyperm>a decoder card would be slick to , i dont think any of the mpeg4 decoder cards work in linux
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19:46<hyperm>bah i just hooked svideo into my ati and xwindows is having a cow
19:46<jkolb>moo
19:47<hyperm>its showing up on the tv but at a bad refresh rate or something ;/
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19:50<monkeyBox>how do I start mythfrontend in a windowed mode?
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20:14<Chutt>monkeybox, run mythfrontend -> setup -> appearance and turn on the 'run in a window' setting
20:15<monkeyBox>thanks :)
20:15<hyperm>anyone know if xfree86 still has that command line config util, where you could pick what drivers you want to use for like keyboard and video etc
20:16<jkolb>Chutt: Playback suffers while I'm compiling. You should fix that. :p
20:19<monkeyBox>jkolb: heh.. riiight
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20:20<jkolb>I'm right in the middle of Spider-Man.
20:20<jkolb>And all of a sudden, bam! choppy video.
20:20<monkeyBox>You know what would be nice though, is some kind of "thinking" icon or some small animation that shows when mythtv is working in the background (so that it doesn't appear to freeze up)
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20:29<tzanger>heh
20:29<tzanger>I take it that bttv is one of those things in 2.6 that isn't quite working
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20:41<Chutt>blah
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20:41<Chutt>there's still a problem with the mp2/3 header parsing code.
20:42<jkolb>Those headers aren't too complex, IIRC.
20:42<Chutt>i know
20:42<jkolb>What's happening?
20:42<Chutt>it gets confused occasionally
20:42<Chutt>but now i can't reproduce it
20:44<jkolb>What are the symptoms?
20:44<Chutt>it thinks the rate's changed =)
20:44<jkolb>The sample rate?
20:44<Chutt>yeah
20:44<Chutt>i'm just going to do it a different way
20:45<Chutt>this is kja's code, it's doing it in a slightly complicated way that can be simplified
20:45<jkolb>Ah.
20:46<jkolb>Is this libavcodec?
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20:48<Chutt>naw, outside of it
20:50<jkolb>Where is it?
20:50<Chutt>avformatdecoder
20:50<jkolb>Ah
20:50<Chutt>new code
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21:05<kja>what's happening?
21:05<tzanger>is anyone runnign mythtv on 2.6.0?
21:06<kja>bad stream?
21:07<Chutt>kja, nope, stream's good
21:07<Chutt>i'm just going to rewrite it :p
21:08<Chutt>there's no need to check ahead of time, when it can just test after the decode is done
21:09<kja>ahh
21:10<kja>hmm, if I exit mythtv and reenter, it misdetects the stream (800kbps no h/w, no sound)..
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22:37<Chutt>rkulagow, want a resync?
22:38<kja>working ok now Chutt?
22:38<mdz>Chutt: it should probably get the 0.11 blessing first
22:38<Chutt>seems to be for me
22:38<Chutt>mdz, he just committed stuff
22:39<mdz>ahhe commit message hasn't reached me yet
22:39<mdz>er
22:39<mdz>s/ahhe/ah/
22:39<mdz>or something with "the" in it
22:39<mdz>oh, xchat has gone all non-insert-mode on me
22:40<mdz>Chutt: the .pdf wasn't set binary for some reason; I cvs admin -kb'd it
22:40<Chutt>ah, good
22:40<mdz>it kept trying to display diffs and stuff
22:41<mdz>do you really want that checked into CVS, btw?
22:41<Chutt>don't really see a reason not to
22:41<mdz>takes up a lot of space compared to the rest of the source tree
22:41<mdz>800k or something for every revision
22:41<Chutt>eh, true
22:42<Chutt>it's easier for me, though =)
22:43<mdz>I'll generate the docs for you if you don't want to install the packages :-P
22:43<Chutt>well, it's updating them on the website that's easier
22:52<mikegrb>Chutt: those changes you made re VIDEOSYNC0/1 seem to have done the trick, since you made the changes it's never printed more then a pair of errors and all of the recordings have been playable though some have had AV sync issues during portions of them :-)
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22:54<paulproteus>So, we meet again, mythfan.
22:54* paulproteus prepares his combat gear
22:55<mikegrb>heh I checked all the existing bug reports and still had the default modules loading so I've stripped it down to just the min
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22:55<mikegrb>it seems like there have been problems with some
23:00<mikegrb>'night
23:01<paulproteus>Good night.
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23:23<mdz>Chutt: somehow I got a TimeOffset row in settings with data '' (empty)
23:23<mdz>mythfilldatabase bitches about it
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