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00:27<rkulagow>hey, all. chutt, are you here?
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02:04<tmk>i need some opinions
02:04<tmk>when buffering data to be output to TV
02:05<tmk>is it better to group small writes till you reach a set size
02:05<tmk>or to flush buffers every 1/60th of a second
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03:01<Morph>greetings.
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03:07<Morph>mythmusic being wierd.
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03:18<phar0e>Anyone still awake?
03:18<tmk>i am
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04:43<knight->hi
04:44<knight->anyone know why my capturing is in black and white and not clear? it looks like it's not tuning properly
04:44<knight->i use to have things working months ago
04:44<knight->I've tried both Cable and Cable-HRC
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04:48<knight->hmm
04:48<knight->its working now
04:48<knight->odd
04:48<knight->nevermind
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07:34<jkolb>Chutt: Um, I screwed oer my mailserver last night. Please don't kill me for all those delivery failured.
07:34<jkolb>er, failures.
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08:05<orangey>hmmm.
08:05<orangey>how do I *play* in mythmusic?
08:09<jkolb>Um, 'Play Music'?
08:11<orangey>OK, I got it now.. the "p" button.
08:12<jkolb>I think the keys are covered in keys.txt
08:14<orangey>thank you.
08:14<orangey>still, one hopes *some* kind of intuitiveness..
08:16<jkolb>Ehn. Seemed alright to me. p for play/pause.
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11:35<ByteNik>anyone here use the IVTV drivers?
11:36<Dr_Willis>heck - i am fighting with mySql :)
11:37<ByteNik>need any help?
11:37<Dr_Willis>it aint startiong for some reason let me check the log
11:37<Dr_Willis>030821 9:57:42 Fatal error: Can't open privilege tables: Can't find file: './mysql/host.frm' (errno: 13)
11:38<Dr_Willis>Ok.. so where does that file come from? : ) i aint seeing it anywhere
11:38<Dr_Willis>just got a 2 pc lan. ip's 192.168.1.XXX names vaio and clear.
11:38<ByteNik>It doesn't exist... that's why it says it can't find it. :P
11:38<ByteNik>What distro are you running?
11:39<Dr_Willis>gentoo
11:39<ByteNik>Yay
11:40<ByteNik>You installed mysql from portage, right?
11:40<Dr_Willis>I gotta go track down my MySQL book. :) i never really did read it
11:40<Dr_Willis>emerge mysql
11:40<Dr_Willis>:P
11:40<ByteNik>And this error started immediately after you emerged?
11:40<ByteNik>First startup?
11:41<Dr_Willis>yep . aint been able to get it started.. even trying it says to do some commands.. which i cant do
11:41<ByteNik>Did you install MythTV from portage?
11:41<Dr_Willis> /etc/init.d/mysql restart - even acts flakey
11:41<Dr_Willis>yep. emerged it all
11:41<ByteNik>Did you run the MythTV Gentoo database setup script?
11:42<Dr_Willis>aint been able to run ANY mysql scripts since m,ysql dont want to run
11:42<Dr_Willis>or is there a special one not in the MythTV docs?
11:43<Chutt>take it up with the gentoo maintainer of mysql
11:43<Dr_Willis>reading along in the Mythtv docs myself.
11:43<Dr_Willis>so what is the format of that file then?
11:43<Chutt>you don't have a mysql problem totally unrelated to mythtv.
11:43<Chutt>err, no 'don't'
11:43<ByteNik>he might not
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11:44<Dr_Willis>heh heh
11:44<ByteNik>You have to set up the databases and stuff first
11:44<Chutt>bytenik, umm, no. if mysql itself doesn't start, it's not mythtv's fault.
11:44<ByteNik>MythTV's portage package comes with a script
11:44<ByteNik>Not a .sql
11:44<ByteNik>A shell script
11:44<ByteNik>It does some moding of the config files
11:44<Chutt>did you even look at the error he pasted?
11:44<ByteNik>Yes
11:44<Chutt>and that's your diagnosis?
11:44<Chutt>heh
11:45<ByteNik>I said it COULD be.
11:45<Chutt>there's absolutely no way it could be.
11:45<ByteNik>I'm assuming Portage didn't give him errors.
11:46<Dr_Willis>heh - well lets see... a search of google finds a LOT of other disrtos/peopel with similer error.
11:47<Chutt>like i said, ask the guy in charge of mysql at gentoo.
11:47<Dr_Willis>some one care to look at their file and see if its just a few lines or a lot?
11:47<ByteNik>sure... second...
11:47<Chutt>this isn't a general linux tech support channel.
11:48<mdz_>mysql's internal tables don't exist. the mysql installation is broken; nothing to do with mythtv
11:48<Chutt>exactly.
11:48<Dr_Willis>i never said it was myth tv's fault.
11:49<Chutt>then why are you asking in here?
11:50<mdz_>Chutt: because ByteNik encouraged him to :-)
11:51<ByteNik>not really, i just answered a question with what i thought the possible answer was
11:52<Dr_Willis>i dident ask it here.. me and ByteNik are TALKING... geesh.
11:52<ByteNik>I have a question with getting IVTV drivers working with Myth... can I asked that here?
11:52<Dr_Willis>here we go. http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/Post-installation.html :) mentions it.. gotta run. byee
11:52<Chutt>bytenik, sure.
11:52<Dr_Willis>ByteNik, better not... its not got myth infront of it. :)
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11:53<Chutt>that's at least semi-related.
11:53<ByteNik>I installed IVTV and compiled, I finaly resolved all of the dependency issues, I made sure that I had a wire plugged in (duh :P) and still I get black screen.
11:53<Chutt>any errors on the console you ran mythfrontend and mythbackend from?
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11:54<ByteNik>Nope
11:54<Chutt>then it's not a mythtv problem.
11:54<Chutt>unless you have it configured for the wrong input or something
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11:55<Chutt>mdz, you fix that timeoffset issue yet? :p
11:55<ByteNik>Hmm... I do see "Couldn't find Xv support... blah blah"
11:55<Chutt>well, that's something
11:55<Chutt>video playback doesn't work very well without xv
11:56<Chutt>though it should display something
11:56<mdz_>Chutt: yep. deleted the record from my database :-P
11:56<Chutt>heh
11:56<ByteNik>built in radeon drivers don't support Xv?
11:56<Chutt>apparently not.
11:56<mdz_>depends on the card
11:56<Chutt>you probably need to use the gatos crap
11:56<ByteNik>Oi
11:56<Chutt>which isn't much better, but, whatever
11:57<Chutt>but first, make sure you can capture by just catting from the video device
11:57<Chutt>cat /dev/video0 > blah.mpg
11:57<sfr>mdz_ timeoffset issue? with mythfilldatabase by chance?
11:57<Chutt>and make sure that gives you video
11:57<mdz_>sfr: tangentially
11:57<mdz_>mythfilldatabase complains about it, but I doubt it's the source of the problem
12:01<mdz_>Chutt: did you check your database to see if you have a record like that?
12:01<mdz_>it had hostname = NULL
12:01<Chutt>no, i didn't
12:01<Chutt>it's supposed to have hostname = null
12:01<Chutt>global setting
12:02<mdz_>so it should only be changed by setup
12:02<Chutt>right
12:02<mdz_>I haven't run setup in quite some time
12:02<mdz_>hmmm
12:02<mdz_>./contrib/installer.py: cursor.execute("INSERT INTO settings (value,data,hostname) VALUES ('TimeOffset','','%s')" % hostname)
12:03<Chutt>what's that from?
12:03<mdz_>from CVS
12:03<mdz_>oh, maybe not
12:04<mdz_>I probably just dropped it in that directory
12:04<mdz_>though
12:04<mdz_>didn't timeoffset change from hours to minutes or something recently?
12:04<Chutt>yeah, but the format didn't change
12:04<mdz_>oh
12:05<mdz_>that check is new; the record has probably been there forever
12:06<sfr>mdz_ what happened?
12:07<mdz_>sfr: select * from settings where value = 'TimeOffset'
12:07<mdz_>see if you have a row where the 'data' column is empty
12:09<sfr>mdz_ nope, data=Auto, but i changed it manually when adding support for minutes.
12:10<mdz_>ah
12:10<mdz_>sfr: was that your code in filldata which checked whether the value was valid, then?
12:12<sfr>mdz_ sorry, have a short memory :) do you have line number?
12:20<rkulagow>chutt: do you have a cron job that's moving over the docs to the correct place on the website? i think it's not doing the .pdf file (unless i've got a cache issue)
12:21<sfr>mdz_ if you meant the if-else around line 547, then yes, i touched that code
12:21<Chutt>rkulagow, well, i wasn't updating the pdf
12:21<Chutt>but the last couple times i did it, it should have updated
12:21<rkulagow>ok; when i clicked through to the pdf, it gave me v 2.53 or something; we're on 2.62 now of the html.
12:21<Chutt>yeah
12:22<Chutt>i just grabbed the pdf and it's 2.62
12:22<Chutt>but i don't think it had been getting updated until 2.61 or so
12:25<rkulagow>ok, i think i'm back in sync now WRT docs; i had been using linuxdoc to try to make pdfs, and they were crap. html2pdf is working just fine, so i'll just keep using it. there should now be a pdf version that's in sync with the html as part of the commits i upload.
12:26<Chutt>allright
12:26<Chutt>are you using mdz's makefile in there?
12:27<ByteNik>hmm... why does the iulius theme look nothing like its preview image?
12:27<sfr>ByteNik it's called marketing
12:28<Chutt>the iulius theme's old and not updated anymore
12:28<ByteNik>o
12:29<Chutt>and in that case, the preview image wasn't updated when the rest of the theme was
12:35<ByteNik>even though its old, will i have problems using iulius?
12:35<Chutt>yeah, it probably won't work everywhere
12:35<Chutt>and will most likely dump you out of mythfrontend
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12:48<markt_>hallo everybody, i was wondering if anybody would be so good as to offer me some help with this problem i'm experiencing:
12:49<markt_>i have a Pinnacle DC10+ MJPEG card. It's working with myth fine. Apart from one thing, which is that the right hand side of the image appears not to be displayed/captured.
12:50<markt_>i have googled, but don't seem to be able to find an answer/solution.
12:50<markt_>any help would be much appreciated. :-)
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12:52<markt_>hmmm.
12:52<markt_>not much traffic here. :-)
12:52<ByteNik>Yay... another problem. :-/
12:53<ByteNik>I keep switching my provider in Myth to Comcast DIgital Cable from Comcast Cable
12:53<ByteNik>I know that XMLTV has data for the digitial channels
12:53<ByteNik>But Myth keeps only showing the analog ones.
12:53<sfr>markt_ prob. people are just busy. can't offer any tips for you, sorry
12:54<markt_>sfr: sure, np.
12:55<markt_>i was hoping it would be a "known issue" of some kind ;-)
12:55<sfr>hm, markt_ does your card work with other capturing tools?
12:56<sfr>does live-tv mode work?
12:56<markt_>live tv mode works, just doesn't have the RHS of the picture
12:56<sfr>markt_ how much is missing?
12:56<markt_>it works fine with lavrec
12:56<mdz_>Chutt: if he's building PDFs with html2pdf, then he's not using my makefile
12:57<markt_>erm, about 15% i guess
12:57<markt_>i've tried negative overscan, but that just gets me black borders on both sides
12:58<sfr>markt_ shouldn't it be positive?
12:59<sfr>markt_ did you try the scan displacement param.
13:00<ByteNik>is there a difference between visor and visorosd
13:00<rkulagow>mdz: nope, he's not. i was going to edit the makefile so that pdfs are done with html2pdf, but then again i already have a "makedoc" script that i use to do all that anyways.
13:00<mdz_>rkulagow: I actually prefer the latex PDFs, but I don't use the PDF anyway
13:00<mdz_>rkulagow: it would be nice to have something in CVS to generate the docs in the "official" way, so that others can do it as well
13:01<mdz_>where does this html2pdf come from?
13:01<rkulagow>same people that make cups.
13:01<rkulagow>http://www.easysw.com/htmldoc
13:02<mdz_>apparently, there is more than one tool by that name
13:02<mdz_>http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Lab/5247/ for example
13:03<alkern>ByteNik: did you happen to install the gentoo mythtv-themes ebuild?
13:03<mdz_>ah, htmldoc
13:03<ByteNik>yah
13:03<markt_>sfr: the scan displacement param has no visible effect (i tried setting it to 100)
13:03<rkulagow>yep, brane froze up
13:03<rkulagow>sorry about the confusion there.
13:04<alkern>ByteNik: ok, I don't think i did that ebuild properly
13:05<alkern>there's supposed to be an visor-looking osd theme, at least according to the creator's website.
13:05<jkolb>ByteNik: Visor is for the main mythfrontend screens, visorosd is for the osd while watching live tv or a recording.
13:05<ByteNik>Alkern: Well, I did at least notice that the fonts didn't install themselves
13:05<ByteNik>Alkern: But the OSD shouldn't display in the main themes?
13:06<alkern>jkolb: mythtv didn't detect visorosd in the setup
13:06<alkern>would anyone know if mythtv will look at symlinks?
13:06<alkern>for detecting themes
13:07<alkern>ByteNik: which fonts?
13:07<ByteNik>alkern: all of the fonts that come with the themes
13:08<alkern>i wasn't aware that themes have their own fonts
13:08<ByteNik>I thought so...
13:08<alkern>i don't think so
13:08<ByteNik>1 sec
13:08<ByteNik>Lemme look
13:09<mdz_>rkulagow: Chutt will be pleased; that one doesn't require TeX
13:09<jkolb>alkern: I have /usr/share/mythtv symlinked to /etc/mythtv, so yeah, it follows symlinks.
13:09<ByteNik>Oh
13:09<alkern>jkolb: right, but what about inside /usr/share/mythtv/themes (thats one beyond the link)
13:09<ByteNik>Only iulius did, and that's not from you.
13:09<alkern>yup
13:10<jkolb>I dunno. I can't imaging it wouldn't.
13:10<jkolb>er, imgine.
13:10<jkolb>er, imagine.
13:10<jkolb>ugh.
13:10<alkern>well, visorosd point to visor, but it is not showing up in the setup...so maybe there's something else missing
13:10<rkulagow>mdz: yep. and as an added bonus, it also _works_, which is more than i could say for linuxdoc-tools after about 2 days of futzing with it.
13:10<jkolb>That's not right.
13:10<ByteNik>You guys should consider creating a bootsplash for mythtv for those of us who want this to look completely like a PVR
13:11<jkolb>visorosd and visor are made up of different files.
13:11<ByteNik>bb
13:12<ByteNik>i'm emerging mythvideo... and waiting patiently. :P
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13:13<alkern>ByteNik: let me know if you have any problems, I want to bump mythtv and all the other goodies to stable soon
13:13<alkern>jkolb: do you know where visorosd can be had? :)
13:14<jkolb>The tarball on mythtv.org doesn't contain both?
13:14<alkern>nope, just visor
13:14<jkolb>Oh. http://www.coincapital.com/visor/
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13:14<alkern>I looked at that, it seemed to contain the same stuff as the one on mythtv.org
13:14<alkern>lemme check again
13:15<alkern>oh would you look at that?
13:15<alkern>thanks!
13:15<markt_>sfr: here's an interesting fact i've just determined - the amount missing on the RHS varies according to the horizontal decimation i use. (at decimation 4, it's got the least missing)
13:18<mdz_>rkulagow: hmm, I didn't have any problems getting linuxdoc to work, using the commands in the makefile
13:18<sfr>markt_ i also use a mjpeg card (marvel g400-tv) but with decimation 2 and only see a thin black bar at the left edge of the screen
13:18<markt_>are you in an NTSC or PAL region?
13:18<sfr>markt_ pal
13:18<markt_>i am PAL too
13:19<mdz_>rkulagow: I get a lot of these using htmldoc: ERR014: Preformatted text on page 16 too long - truncation or overlapping may occur!
13:20<markt_>sfr: does it look similar to the output you get in xawtv, or does it look like there's a lump missing on the RHS?
13:20<rkulagow>mdz: i looked, and the pages appear to be intact from what i can tell.
13:21<rkulagow>when i ran the sgml through linuxdoc to create the pdfs i got about 2000 lines of error messages on screen and a blank pdf.
13:21<sfr>markt_ i'm wrong, sorry. on the main backend where a tv is connected to, everything is fine. this small black bar on the LHS only appears on a laptop i use as a remote frontend. but i think i could fix it by playing with this overscan settings.
13:22* markt_ notices http://www.gossamer-threads.com/perl/mailarc/gforum.cgi?post=72764;search_string=dc10;guest=1044010&t=search_engine#72764
13:22<mdz_>rkulagow: committed a new makefile which uses htmldoc
13:23<mdz_>rkulagow: with linuxdoc/latex I got the usual complaints from TeX about how it couldn't break lines exactly as it wanted to, but the PDF came out fine
13:24<mdz_>no errors
13:24<mdz_>Output written on mythtv-HOWTO.pdf (71 pages, 480504 bytes).
13:25<rkulagow>mdz: that's about what i get too when running htmldoc. as long as it works, i'm happy.
13:25<mdz_>rkulagow: is there anything in your script that isn't in the makefile now?
13:26<alkern>ByteNik: I committed a new mythtv-themes ebuild (no version bump though). Can you try emerge --sync; rm /usr/portage/distfiles/visor.tar.gz; emerge mythtv-themes in about 30 minutes and see if the visorosd theme comes up for you in the setup?
13:29<markt_>sfr: yay, i think i may have found the solution
13:29<markt_>sfr: we shall know after a recompilation extravaganza. ;-)
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13:30<sfr>markt_ of mythtv or the drivers?
13:30<rkulagow>[mythtv@masterbackend docs]$ cat makedoc
13:30<rkulagow>linuxdoc -B html -T 2 mythtv-HOWTO.sgml
13:30<rkulagow>linuxdoc -B txt mythtv-HOWTO.sgml
13:30<rkulagow>linuxdoc -B html -s 0 -T 2 mythtv-HOWTO-singlehtml.sgml
13:30<rkulagow>htmldoc --book -f mythtv-HOWTO.pdf mythtv-HOWTO-singlehtml.html
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13:31<rkulagow>i think they'
13:31<rkulagow>re == now.
13:31<rkulagow>bbl.
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13:32<markt_>sfr: of mythtv
13:32<mdz_>rkulagow: I'll add --book
13:33<markt_>pah, unfortunately i'm having problems with my debian unstable libqt3-mt-dev package dependencies.
13:33<mdz_>those messages from htmldoc are actually errors, though, and it exits unsuccessfully
13:33<mdz_>though it does produce a pdf
13:33<mdz_>how broken
13:36<mdz_>markt_: works fine here
13:39<markt_>mdz_: when i try to "apt-get build-dep mythtv" it wants to deinstall libqt3-mt and replace it with libqt3c102-mt
13:40<sfr>markt_ thats ok
13:40<markt_>because afaics, libqt3-mt-dev relies on libqt3c102-mt
13:41<markt_>however, my installed version of the mythtv deb depends on libqt3-mt :)
13:42<markt_>so it gets deinstalled. not to worry though, for i'm building a new mythtv package anyway. :-)
13:42<sfr>markt_ you installed the debs for unstable?
13:42<markt_>sfr: ah, at this point, i think i might have to use the phrase "d'oh"
13:43* markt_ mutters something about being sure he checked that sources.list
13:43<markt_>thanks for clearing that up :)
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13:56<markt_>right, once i've got myth to compile, i'll be back.
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14:53* sfr likes the rewind feature while watching soccer
14:53<sfr>anyone thought about adding slow-motion?
14:55<alkern>you can go frame by frame in the edit mode :)
14:56<sfr>nah, too slow
14:58<ByteNik>myth works on multiple monitor setups, right?
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15:15<bbeattie>woot! I got my "Customer" code to give to people for the pcHDTV card, and it can be bought now! ;)
15:17<sfr>bbeattie uh, a vendor-supplied driver?
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15:20<Chutt>sfr, hit 'j' in current cvs
15:20<sfr>Chutt, for slow-motion? cool
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15:20<Chutt>yeah
15:21<sfr>but without audio i guess
15:21<Chutt>right
15:23<sfr>Chutt re the mythmusic patch. i cleaned it all up. but still use if else's to create the filename, think about what happens if YEAR or TITLE appear in the metadata
15:23<sfr>i switched to a regexp for the directory part, though
15:24<Chutt>you may want to switch to %YEAR% %TITLE%
15:24<Chutt>etc
15:24<sfr>is that % a word boundary?
15:24<Chutt>as an identifier for what to replace
15:25<sfr>looks ugly to me :)
15:26<Chutt>that's what's used in the osd code.
15:28<sfr>i'll have a look. do you object the style or is it about performance
15:28<Chutt>the if/else stuff works for me, really
15:28<Chutt>i was just thinking it might be simpler code to use qregexp
15:33<sfr>yeah, but this way i think it's more tolerant to non-perfect user input
15:33<bbeattie>sfr: define vendor-supplied. The card uses a patched bttv driver.
15:34<sfr>bbeattie, well i just didn't understand what you said (pardon my english)
15:35<bbeattie>sfr: the driver for the pcHDTV uses a patched bttv driver. Meaning that until the next version of the bttv driver is released to the kernel, (2.6) then you need to compile the bttv kernel driver module that comes on a CD with the card. The driver is GPL.
15:36<jkolb>A patched bttv driver? It gives raw frames instead of the mpeg data?
15:36<jkolb>I suppose that should be 'decoded frames instead of the raw mpeg data,' actually.
15:36<just1nux>hope not. that would suck
15:36<bbeattie>no, you read /dev/dtv and it's an mpeg2-ts stream
15:36<jkolb>Oh, good.
15:37<sfr>Aha
15:37<just1nux>cool
15:37<bbeattie>You still tune the card the same way you do with NTSC/bttv. You just set a different video ioctl and read the data stream in 188 byte packets.
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15:48<Chutt>morph, yo, you said something about mythmusic in the early morning hours?
15:49<Morph>Chutt: yeah I did, turned out to be something stupid too :)
15:49<Chutt>heh
15:49<Morph>not related to mythmusic at all. vfat partition, nfs shared, messed up permissions. so mythmusic couldnt read the share.
15:49<Chutt>ah
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16:04<trostler>wish i knew what the heck i was doing...
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16:05<bline>sup
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16:05<trostler>this sure is fun
16:05<trostler>?
16:06<bline>what
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16:18<trostler>msg =bbeattie wanna chat w/you about pchdtv...
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17:39<trostler>got myth .11 - does it need mythvideo?
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17:43<o_cee>whepp, who knew.
17:44<o_cee>does anyone have a highres mythtv logo? working on a bootsplash for myth
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17:46* ByteNik drools.
17:46<ByteNik>I wantthe bootsplash! :P
17:46<o_cee>when it's done :) just got it all working
17:46<o_cee>looks sweet
17:46<ByteNik>Post screenshots perchance?
17:47<o_cee>not yet, i just made a quick test to get it up and running..
17:47<o_cee>:)
17:47<o_cee>now it's all working, splash with progressbar and silentmode
17:48<ByteNik>Can you include an option to turn off the text that says what to push to get verbose?
17:48<o_cee>not sure.. it's not in the image
17:48<o_cee>think it's possible though.. aaah, yes, it's easy
17:48<o_cee>just remembered where i saw it..
17:48<o_cee>it's possible
17:49<o_cee>but what i'd need is a highres myth logo...
17:49<o_cee>there has to be one...
17:49<Chutt>nope
17:50<Chutt>there isn't, really
17:50<o_cee>the one on the website? who made it?
17:51<Chutt>there's a slightly higher res version from the old website..
17:51<o_cee>there's got to be an original image..
17:52<Chutt>http://www.mythtv.org/oldsite/
17:52<o_cee>hm... i'd like one that's like the one used in sasquatch theme...
17:53<o_cee>but tarek didn't have any better image
17:53<Chutt>that's all there is.
17:54<o_cee>but things come from somewhere... there has to be an original. did isaac do the site?
17:54<Chutt>i am isaac.
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10:45<bbeattie>anyone know if those little via systems have video chipsets that are supported under XvMC?
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10:48<Chutt>bbeayyie, they don't
10:48<Chutt>err, sorry 'bout that :p
10:48<bbeattie>Chutt: it's okay, but too bad
10:49<Chutt>i don't know if the built-in mpeg decoder can handle very high resolution, either
10:49<Chutt>i haven't tried their hacked up xine yet
10:49<bbeattie>Chutt: can you put in another video card into those little systems?
10:49<Chutt>nope
10:49<Chutt>one pci slot
10:49<bbeattie>what is their "hacked up xine"?
10:50<jkolb>I thought you could get two with a riser.
10:50<Chutt>they've got a version of xine that works with the mpeg decoder on the board
10:50<Chutt>jkolb, ok, 2 with a riser
10:50<Chutt>but... pci video cards don't do video nearly as well as agp
10:50<bbeattie>Chutt: do you have a link to that info on the onboard supported mpeg2 decoding via xine?
10:50<Chutt>not off hand
10:50<Chutt>it was posted two or three times to the mythtv lists, though
10:51<Chutt>and the xine people said there's little chance of it getting merged into xine itself, since the code's rather nasty
10:51<Chutt>i figure i'd look into mythtv/libavcodec support sometime, but that's a while off
10:51<Chutt>but really, you'd be better off getting a micro-atx board or whatnot
10:52<Chutt>with a real processor :p
10:55<ByteNik>How can I tell if the slot my tuner card is in is "bus mastered"?
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19:33<bbeattie>Chutt: where would you like me to add the documentation for HD in thw myth html docs?
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19:57<bbeattie>BBtomorrow
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21:03<automatic_jack>I'm trying to set up mythtv from the Debian packages.
21:04<automatic_jack>when I run mythbackend I get Access denied for user: 'mythtv@localhost' (Using password: YES)
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21:04<automatic_jack>how do I figure out what password mythtv wants to use so I can make sure it's right in the database?
21:05<paulproteus>mdz: /me humbly requests help with your Debian packages
21:06<paulproteus>Well, more like, I'm going to tell you mythtv-database didn't seem to install the DB correctly.
21:06<paulproteus>The perl script errors out; let me get you the errors.
21:09<paulproteus>mdz_: Here's the transcript on a freshly-installed Unstable [x]box:
21:09<paulproteus>Failed to connect to database: Unknown database 'mythconverg' at -e line 5, <> line 1.
21:09<paulproteus>Failed to connect to database: Unknown database 'mythconverg' at -e line 6, <> line 1.
21:09<Chutt>most of the problems people have with the debs are that they give a password for root access to mysql when no password exists.
21:09<automatic_jack>I think I am having this same problem.
21:09<paulproteus>I didn't give a password.
21:09<Chutt>in fact, that's the only problem i've heard of with them
21:10<paulproteus>I was sure to not make that stupid n00b mistake ;).
21:10<automatic_jack>Chutt: any idea how to work around that?
21:10<Chutt>automatic_jack, reconfigure the mythtv-database package and give it the right information this time.
21:10<automatic_jack>hmm
21:10<automatic_jack>I just did that.
21:11<automatic_jack>I gave it root for the administrator account
21:11<Chutt>other than that, no, i don't know
21:11<automatic_jack>and I gave it the password that I set up for the mysql root user.
21:11<automatic_jack>Failed to connect to database: Unknown database 'mythconverg' at -e line 5, <> line 1.
21:11<paulproteus>(I gave it no password, which is correct on a blank-slate mysql install.)
21:11<paulproteus>But perhaps we should stop pestering Chutt ;)
21:11<Chutt>figure out why it didn't setup the database, then.
21:12<automatic_jack>hmm.
21:12<paulproteus>Chutt, what's the non-Debian way to do this? I'd be happy to just do this "manually".
21:12* paulproteus realizes he should read the docs first
21:12* paulproteus withdraws the question and fires up mozilla
21:12<paulproteus>(and cd /usr/share/doc/mythtv)
21:12<automatic_jack>doesn't look like you can uninstall mythtv and all its other things.
21:12<yebyen>i can't wait for college and binge drinking
21:13<automatic_jack>blah.
21:13<automatic_jack>this is definitely annoying.
21:15<automatic_jack>hrr.
21:18<automatic_jack>is mythtv-database supposed to create the database?
21:18<automatic_jack>I assume yes.
21:18<Chutt>far as i know
21:18<automatic_jack>but I don't see why it's giving me this error that the database does not exist.
21:18<Chutt>probably because it couldn't create it =)
21:18<automatic_jack>rarr.
21:18<automatic_jack>I need more output from it then.
21:19<Chutt>it is just a script
21:19<automatic_jack>it prompts for the username and password, which I have verified are correct.
21:19<mdz>paulproteus: I may have broken new installations recently
21:19<mdz>but I doubt it
21:20<automatic_jack>mdz: I am getting that exact same error.
21:20<mdz>automatic_jack: but does it actually fail?
21:20<automatic_jack>well
21:20<mdz>paulproteus said "errors out"
21:20<mdz>but I really doubt that
21:20<automatic_jack>when I run mythbackend I get Access denied for user: 'mythtv@localhost' (Using password: YES)
21:22<automatic_jack>ok if I reconfigure mythtv-common and enter an appropriate password for the mythtv database user, I still can
21:22<automatic_jack>can't connect to the database as that user.
21:23<mdz>probably the database didn't get created; that would be a helpful thing to check
21:23<automatic_jack>remind me of the sql syntax to show databases?
21:23<mdz>it's "show databases"
21:24<mdz>coincidentally
21:24<yebyen>hahaha
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21:24<automatic_jack>hmm
21:24<automatic_jack>doesn't like that.
21:24<Chutt>moegreen, hello? =)
21:24<automatic_jack>I just ran mysql -p and I'm in the interactive mode.
21:25<automatic_jack>there we go.
21:25<Chutt>show databases;
21:25<automatic_jack>yep
21:25<automatic_jack>+----------+
21:25<automatic_jack>| Database |
21:25<automatic_jack>+----------+
21:25<automatic_jack>| mysql |
21:25<automatic_jack>| test |
21:25<automatic_jack>that's it.
21:25<automatic_jack>so it isn't creating the database.
21:25<Chutt>so, no, it didn't create it
21:25<automatic_jack>hmm
21:26<automatic_jack>so yeah, when I reconfigure mythtv-database all it asks for is the admin user (root) and its password. I gave it those, and it doesn't work.
21:26<automatic_jack>so maybe I should forget about the packages and try it from source?
21:27<mdz>automatic_jack: give me a minute; I know what's wrong
21:27<automatic_jack>ok, cool :)
21:27<automatic_jack>the only reason I bothered with the packages was that I wanted to make sure I got the right dependencies.
21:27<automatic_jack>so if I could uninstall just the mythtv packages and keep the other stuff, and then build mythtv from source, that would be OK.
21:28* automatic_jack waits patiently
21:28<automatic_jack>incidentally, I hooked up the svideo for my card to my TV, but I do not get any output to it when I am on the console or in X.
21:28<automatic_jack>I have a Geforce GTS.
21:29<automatic_jack>Geforce 2 GTS that is.
21:29<automatic_jack>does anyone know if I need to do something to make the svideo output work?
21:29<Chutt>try booting with just that connected
21:30<automatic_jack>I think I did that.
21:30<automatic_jack>yeah I did, and it didn't output the console to the TV at least.
21:30<Chutt>that's what usually works with nvidia cards
21:30<automatic_jack>but my system doesn't boot to X.
21:30<Chutt>but i'm not familiar with anything that old
21:30<automatic_jack>maybe it would only output from X windows.
21:31<automatic_jack>but it wasn't working a little while ago.
21:31<Chutt>naw, should output everything
21:31<automatic_jack>before I came in here to find out why it wouldn't connect to the database :)
21:31<automatic_jack>ok, I'll have to look into that seperately.
21:31<mdz>paulproteus, automatic_jack: you're both on unstable, right?
21:31<automatic_jack>but I can test my setup on a monitor right?
21:31<mdz>0.11-2
21:31<automatic_jack>mdz: I am yes.
21:31<Chutt>automatic_jack, of course
21:32<automatic_jack>cool.
21:32<Chutt>i do all development on a regular monitor and stuff
21:33<automatic_jack>mdz: yeah I have 0.11-2
21:33<automatic_jack>brb
21:37<mdz>paulproteus, automatic_jack: try the 0.11-3 I'm uploading right now
21:38<mdz>it's up now
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21:40<Chutt>well, i was going to mess around with trying to get the via mpeg decoder working
21:40<Chutt>but i can't since i'm not running one of the distributions the kernel modules works on
21:42<automatic_jack>mdz: downloading now.
21:42<kja>how close are you then? i've been running a promise fastrak driver on 'the wrong' kernel for a while now :)
21:44<Chutt>kja, not close enough
21:44<automatic_jack>mdz: hmm, I think that might have worked :)
21:45<automatic_jack>let me check...
21:47<mdz>I don't know why that broke it, but there was very little changed from 0.11-1 to 0.11-2 and I tested a clean install of 0.11-1
21:47<mdz>automatic_jack: did it work?
21:48<mdz>I guess so. silence usually means it works
21:48<mdz>I only hear from anybody when it breaks
21:48<mikegrb>:)
21:48<jkolb>mdz: We love you!
21:48<jkolb>Better?
21:49<mdz>"worked for me" would be better :-)
21:49<jkolb>Not running debian anymore.
21:49<kja>Chutt: is that a video card driver or a separate mpeg driver?
21:49<jkolb>But, uh, worked for me!
21:49<Chutt>kja, both.
21:50<Chutt>couple kernel modules, etc
21:51<kja>you tried forcing them into the kernel? :)
21:52<kja>with a hammer and axe
21:52<Chutt>eh, i really don't care that much
21:53<kja>:) k, it's kinda risky...
21:53<kja>closed source drivers tend to interface little with the kernel..
21:54<automatic_jack>I think it broke.
21:54<automatic_jack>mythbackend doesn't want to run.
21:55<automatic_jack>it says I have schema version 0 and it needs at least 1023 or something.
21:55<automatic_jack>brb
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22:03<automatic_jack>back
22:04<automatic_jack>Your current database schema version is: 0
22:04<automatic_jack>but this application requires version 1003 or higher.
22:05<automatic_jack>there we go.
22:06<automatic_jack>now let me see what's up.
22:18<mdz>automatic_jack: select * from settings
22:18<mdz>oh, I know what happened
22:18<mdz>automatic_jack: mysqladmin -u root -p drop mythconverg && dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database
22:18<mdz>it assumes that once the database is created, it's already populated with the schema
22:18<mdz>because it's a pain to check
22:19<mdz>this dbschemaver stuff is new and I don't do anything with it yet
22:22<automatic_jack>mdz: oh, I did the mysql -p mythconverg < mc.sql
22:22<automatic_jack>and that seemed to fix it...
22:22<mdz>automatic_jack: that'll fix it as well
22:22<mdz>that's essentially what that command would have done
22:22<automatic_jack>ok. now I just ran that cron entry to download channel data and put it in the database.
22:22<automatic_jack>it downloaded a lot of icons.
22:22<automatic_jack>and now it seems to be just sitting there.
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22:25<automatic_jack>is that supposed to stop eventually?
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22:26<mdz>did you run setup?
22:26<mdz>(as the installation note said you should)
22:27<automatic_jack>yeah I ran mythtv-setup
22:27<automatic_jack>then when it finished it told me to run that cron script.
22:27<automatic_jack>ok now it seems to have ended. it just took awhile.
22:28<automatic_jack>I really wish my laptop worked so I didn't have to keep running back and forth :)
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22:43<mdz>paulproteus|lapt: yes?
22:43<paulproteus|lapt>I get 404s.
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22:43<paulproteus|lapt>Fixed.
22:44<paulproteus|lapt>-4, interesting.
22:44<paulproteus|lapt>Break anything else with -3? :)
22:45<mdz>paulproteus|lapt: does it work for you now?
22:46<mdz>-3 had another problem
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22:50<automatic_jack>ok I have two issues.
22:50<automatic_jack>when I run mythtv, it says it can't find /dev/dsp
22:50<automatic_jack>but that exists.
22:50<automatic_jack>and it also can't find osd.xml
22:50<automatic_jack>so it flips right to LiveTV mode, but all I see is a black screen.
22:51<Chutt>run mythfrontend.
22:52<Chutt>as the docs tell you to do
22:52<automatic_jack>oh, whoops.
22:52<Chutt>they don't even mention running mythtv that i'm aware of.
22:52<automatic_jack>yeah sorry, I guess I jumped to conclusions.
22:52<mdz>automatic_jack: rather than describing the error messages, paste them exactly so people can tell what you're talking about
22:52<automatic_jack>mdz: difficult - I would need an IRC client on the mythtv box. I guess I'll try to do that.
22:52<mdz>automatic_jack: or ssh
22:53<mdz>automatic_jack: you are running it as user 'mythtv', right?
22:53<automatic_jack>yes I am.
22:53<Chutt>mdz, he didn't run mythfrontend, and so doesn't have any of the settings.
22:53<automatic_jack>nod
22:53<automatic_jack>let me do that.
22:53<mdz>Chutt: yeah, the error about /dev/dsp doesn't make sense though
22:54<mdz>but that's definitely part of the problem
22:54<paulproteus|lapt>Oh, that reminds me, I forgot to build my ALSA drivers.
22:54* paulproteus|lapt waits for the install to finish, anyway
22:54<automatic_jack>oh, do I have to use ALSA?
22:54<Chutt>no, of course not.
22:54<automatic_jack>there is OSS support for my sound card so I compiled that into my kernel.
22:54<automatic_jack>ok I didn't think so.
22:54<Chutt>all that's discussed in the docs.
22:55<mdz>if the error said "no such device", then probably the driver isn't loaded
22:55<automatic_jack>yeah why don't I go read those and stop being such a dork, sorry :)
22:55<automatic_jack>usually I'm good at this whole "open source" thing.
22:55<mdz>/usr/share/doc/mythtv-doc
22:55<automatic_jack>thanks
22:56<automatic_jack>TV card (bt848) mixer support
22:56<automatic_jack>do I want to enable that at all? I assume not.
22:57<automatic_jack>I have a Bt878 so I guess it doesn't have an onboard mixer or whatever.
22:57<automatic_jack>hmm
22:57<automatic_jack>when I just cat /dev/dsp it says "no such device."
22:58<automatic_jack>so I'm guessing that indicates my sound card is not supported in the kernel.
22:58<mdz><mdz> if the error said "no such device", then probably the driver isn't loaded
22:59<automatic_jack>I compiled it in.
22:59<automatic_jack>so my guess is I compiled in the wrong thing.
23:00<mdz>I recommend just using a stock kernel
23:00<mdz>and running discover
23:00* paulproteus|lapt sticks his hand up
23:00<mdz>or if you want to compile your own kernel, compile everything as modules
23:00<paulproteus|lapt>"What does error creating /root/.qt mean ? The backend doesn't seem to be starting."
23:01* paulproteus|lapt reconfigures mythtv-database for good measure
23:02<mdz>paulproteus|lapt: harmless message
23:02<mdz>nothing to do with the database and nothing wrong with mythtv
23:02<paulproteus|lapt>That's what I figured.
23:02<mdz>if the backend isn't starting, read the logfile
23:02* paulproteus|lapt nods
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23:04<berli>anyone know why my audio might be all fuzzy/staticy after .10 to .11 upgrade? I have a bt878 card, and nothing's changed in drivers, etc.
23:06* paulproteus|lapt tries mythv-setup
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23:18<paulproteus|lapt>I did run the setup program, but cron.daily asks me if I ran it and complains of a lack of channel sources.
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23:18<paulproteus|lapt>I don't have a TV tuner, so that's kinda expected.
23:20<mdz>you can't collect program information without channel sources
23:20<mdz>nor can you do anything particularly useful with mythtv
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23:23* paulproteus|lapt thinks mythweather and mythmusic are quite useful
23:26<mdz>they are also not mythtv
23:26<paulproteus|lapt>Is there a faster way to select city in MythWeather?
23:26* paulproteus|lapt nods at mdz
23:26<paulproteus|lapt>Faster than PgDn, I mean.
23:28* paulproteus|lapt shrugs
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23:32<paulproteus|lapt>I love the "OK, I'll read the documentation" button. :)
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23:37<o_cee>g'morning. not enough sleep, that's for sure
23:37<paulproteus|lapt>mdz, thank you dearly for your updated packages :)
23:37<paulproteus|lapt>I hope you'll forgive me for only using mythmusic and mythweather.
23:37<paulproteus|lapt>(And mythgallery, and mythweb.)
23:38<o_cee>how far has the XvMC support come along Chutt? is it worth even trying it? and, uh.. what's it supposed to do? i mean how good should it be?
23:43<automatic_jack>hmm. I still get nothing but a black screen when I try to watch TV.
23:43<automatic_jack>it is recording, because there's a video file created in the media store and it grows.
23:44<o_cee>i use to get htat. reload ivtv and make sure you've got snd-mixer/pcm-oss loaded.
23:44<o_cee>btw, why doesn't the alsa section meantion that myth doesn't actually use alsa? it says nothing about the oss stuff, right?
23:45<automatic_jack>o_cee: what's ivtv?
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23:45<o_cee>oh, maybe you aren't using a pvr[23]50
23:46<automatic_jack>no, I have a TV Wonder VE.
23:46<o_cee>then nevermind the first part
23:46<o_cee>check your soundmodeules
23:46<automatic_jack>sound doesn't seem to be working. I don't think I compiled support for my card right.
23:47<automatic_jack>sound needs to work for me to see video?
23:47<o_cee>that usually fucks things up
23:47<automatic_jack>how come?
23:47* o_cee doesn't know
23:47<o_cee>fix your sound
23:47<automatic_jack>yeah
23:47<automatic_jack>I'll have to sooner or later.
23:48<automatic_jack>also, my svideo doesn't seem to actually output anything to my tv.
23:48<automatic_jack>not a mythtv problem obviously.
23:48<automatic_jack>but I have a Geforce 2 GTS. any idea why that wouldn't work?
23:49<o_cee>you don't get any output to your tv? no console or nothing?
23:50<automatic_jack>nope.
23:50<automatic_jack>I was hoping to complete my whole setup on the TV.
23:50<automatic_jack>so I booted with the svideo connected, but got nothing.
23:50<o_cee>well then that's your biggest problem i guess.
23:50<automatic_jack>so I had to drag over a monitor.
23:51<automatic_jack>yeah :)
23:51<automatic_jack>I can troubleshoot that on the web.
23:51<automatic_jack>but I just figured someone here might know.
23:51<o_cee>my card just boots up when there's a tv connected. that's done from the gfx card firmware
23:51<o_cee>make sure the tv is on when you turn the computer on?
23:57<automatic_jack>hmm.
23:57<berli>automatic_jack: using the nvidia drivers?
23:57<automatic_jack>berli: yeah.
23:57<automatic_jack>I am routing it through a switch box, and I think I had not switched the input before I booted the system.
23:57<automatic_jack>but I didn
23:57<automatic_jack>didn't think the TV had to be connected when the system first booted up.
23:58<berli>automatic_jack: if it doesn't detect a device, it won't show up at boot
23:58<o_cee>but you're not sure. try that first. might be like that in order to find it
23:58<berli>automatic_jack: but, to get it to show up in X, there's two lines or so you need to add
23:59<berli>automatic_jack: ok, so there are a number of lines
23:59<automatic_jack>berli: ah, ok.
23:59<berli>is there a paste bot in this channel?
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