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---Logopened Fri Sep 05 00:00:20 2003
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00:25<teratorn>hello
00:27<tmk>hi
00:29<teratorn>can anyone recommend a video capture card?
00:29<teratorn>i friend of mine says wintv is the way to go..is there anything better?
00:30<nitrogen>teratorn: the flyvideo 3000 might be a good option in the near future as the driver matures
00:30<tmk>tera: what are you looking for?
00:30<tmk>requrements, etc
00:31<teratorn>tmk: i'm not 100% sure :)
00:31<teratorn>i'll be using it with a directv box
00:31<teratorn>stereo sound would be nice
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00:32<tmk>ok, so you need line-in then
00:32<tmk>svideo i presume
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00:33<tmk>do you have an IR device already on your computer?
00:33<teratorn>nope
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00:34<tmk>probably want one with a remote control/IR receiver then
00:34<jbwiv>lo guys
00:34<teratorn>i'll probably just use a wireless keyboard for the mythtv box
00:34<tmk>suit yourself
00:34<tmk>hi
00:35<teratorn>i've heard about methods of hooking up the myth box to the directv box so it can change channels, i guess that's with an IR transmitter?
00:35<tmk>or serial port
00:35<tmk>i believe
00:35<tmk>not 100% sure on that one though
00:35<teratorn>perhaps, i need to look on the back of my sat box and see if it has one
00:36<jbwiv>quick question...i've got two tuners...a pvr-250 and a ati tv-wonder. i know for sure that the pvr-250 is /dev/video0, but i'm not sure what device the ati would be on. do you guys have any idea? thx in advance!
00:36<knight->jbwiv, if the kernel modules are loaded properly, then video1
00:37<knight->if /dev/video1 doesnt exist, you didnt load the modules right
00:37<knight->tmk, you have any ideas on where to start for extending a backend to allow multiple frontends view the same source?
00:37<mikegrb>tmk, if I have a define on the g++ cmd line (-D option) I can use it in code right? Like if (SOMETHING_DEFINED) { do something } ?
00:38<tmk>hold on
00:38<tmk>3 questions heh
00:38<mikegrb>jbwiv: try 'ls -l /dev/video*'
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00:39<mikegrb>jbwiv: you might also try checking dmesg and see if it has anything of interest
00:39<o_cee>hey all
00:39<tmk>jbwiv: check /proc/video/dev
00:39<tmk>if you have procfs configured
00:39<tmk>it will create a device for each video interface in there
00:39<tmk>knight: i don't know mythtv internals at all
00:40<knight->tmk, ok
00:40<tmk>mike: yes that's how -D should work
00:40<knight->what i want to do, is begin allowing multiple frontends to request watching a broadcast from the backend
00:40<knight->i.e. a security camera, a movie that people in different rooms/dorms/offices/etc can watch at the same time, etc
00:41<jbwiv>mikegrb and knight- and tmk: i've got the modules loaded I believe, video1 exists, and /proc/video/dev shows: vbi0, vbi1, video0, video1, video32. Is there anyway to test out which on would be the tv-wonder? Testing the PVR-250 was easy with ivtv...
00:41<mikegrb>tmk: thanks a bunch, just wanted to check as the xbox is slow to compile <g>
00:41<tmk>video1 is the ati
00:42<knight->jbwiv, if you said video0 worked for the pvr250, then it's video1
00:42<o_cee>http://freevo.sourceforge.net/screenshots_blue_round2.html#freevo_ss1 <--- look at that top bar for plugins.. that actually looks like a _really_ nice idea IMO.. maybe that would be something to keep in mind for future OSD updates? whatcha think? the newsticker could go there, and so on..
00:42<jbwiv>knight- : ok, great. But is there a way to make sure it's working?
00:42<tmk>run xawtv on it
00:42<knight->what tmk said
00:43<o_cee>don't you think Chutt? it could be playing mp3's there while watching tv.. newsticker, readmail.. messages from icq.. hheh..
00:44<knight->o_cee, we've been talking about this on the dev list
00:44<knight->We'd need to restructure mythtv to let the modules talk to each other
00:44<jbwiv>knight- and tmk: ok, it brings up a screen with xawtv -c /dev/video1, but I just get static, which would lead me to believe I need to switch to a channel. Sorry to keep bugging you guys, but would you happen to know a quick and easy way to do this? If you want to tell me to RTFM, I totally understand ;-)
00:44<knight->i.e. have video capturing happening while listening to music, or weather while music, etc
00:45<o_cee>knight-: yeah, and this is a way of practically making it look at the end.. i know there's been discussion, but not at the end result.
00:45<knight->ahhh
00:45<tmk>i think reading the xawtv manual is appropriate :)
00:45<jbwiv>tmk: sigh...guess I asked for that ;-)
00:46<o_cee>a top toolbar like this would be a great way if inplementing it i think
00:47<jbwiv>ahh...found an old .xawtv file on another box of mine. Working perfectly! Thanks guys!!!
00:48<tmk>:)
00:49<jbwiv>one final question, what about vbi device? Do they correspond via number?
00:49<jbwiv>i.e., /dev/video0 and /dev/vbi0?
00:49<knight->yes
00:51<jbwiv>knight-: great thanks.
00:52<tmk>vbi0 won't work
00:52<tmk>pvr's don't support it yet
00:52<tmk>vbi1 may
00:53<knight->o_cee, well, the toolbar looks neat, but i'm not sure i'd want to see it ALL the time
00:53<knight->perhaps a setting to enable and disable it
00:54<knight->in the config
00:54<knight->also, for example, how will we get alerts to display on top of an mplayer
00:54<knight->or, on top of internal playbacks
00:57<knight->heh
00:57<jbwiv>tmk: hmmm....so should both cards share /dev/vbi1?
00:57<jbwiv>and should both use /dev/dsp?
00:58<tmk>pvr cards encode audio with the video
00:58<tmk>jb: no vbi info is availible for the pvr250
00:58<tmk>not sure how ati does audio
00:59<jbwiv>hmmm.
00:59<tmk>does it just use bttv?
00:59<jbwiv>tmk:yes
00:59<tmk>if the btaudio module supports it
00:59<tmk>then use /dev/dspX
00:59<tmk>X will print out in dmesg probably
00:59<tmk>when you load btaudio
00:59<knight->hmm
01:00<knight->i think what is also needed, is a minimalistic scripting language built in
01:00<jbwiv>seems like no matter what I do on the card config screen, I get two /dev/video0 devices. I click to add anther, change it to /dev/video1, click enter, and damn it, two /dev/video0, not /dev/video0 and /dev/video1. Am I doing something obviously wrong?
01:00<knight->for the event timer
01:01<teratorn>knight-: a scripting language in mythtv?
01:01<knight->indeed
01:01<knight->but very basic
01:01<teratorn>that does sound like a good idea
01:01<teratorn>might i recommend python?
01:01<knight->i think that would be too heavy
01:01<teratorn>hmm, how so?
01:01<knight->because it would be better to have any heavy programming done in c++
01:02<knight->but having a myth specific script would be useful for alerts, etc.
01:02<teratorn>well yeah, if you really got to crunch some data, sure
01:02<knight->like at a specific time have it run: MYTHTV ON, LIVE TV, CHANNEL 4, MYTHTV OFF 30 MINS
01:04<Chutt>trolltech has their qt script stuff
01:04<teratorn>so your not looking to write the UI, and various other high-level things in the script langauge?
01:04<Chutt>already has bindings for qt and crap
01:05<knight->Chutt, ahh
01:06<knight->Although I was thinking much higher level
01:06<Chutt>_should_ be pretty lightweight.
01:06<knight->a language that represents mythtv functionality
01:06<Chutt>by bindings i just meant that it's signal/slot aware
01:06<knight->for use by home automation and event timer stuff
01:06<Chutt>so it'd fit into the codebase easier.
01:07<knight->teratorn, i dont think that would be a good idea.
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01:07<knight->teratorn, everyone has tried very hard to stay with c++ for consistency, performance, etc.
01:08<teratorn>knight-: well let me explain my point of view
01:09<teratorn>python is a lot better than C++ at everything, except writing highly speed critical code.
01:09<knight->Uhm.
01:09<knight->That I disagree with .
01:09<knight->I've used python, java, objc, and c++ for many many years.
01:09<teratorn>ok
01:09<tmk>evenin' chutt
01:09<Chutt>tmk, yo
01:10<knight->They're all very similar, but you can't just attack C++ that easily.
01:10<teratorn>python isn't very similar to C++
01:10<tmk>i've finished up what i plan for the api to control the decoder
01:10<tmk>you want to sanity check it?
01:10<Chutt>sure
01:10<Chutt>email it to me?
01:10<tmk>hmm
01:10<tmk>lemme see if it makes sense as-is :)
01:11<knight->teratorn, i see very little advantages in python over c++
01:11<mikegrb>Chutt: would a modification to the xml parsing depend code that checks for a EnableXbox setting in the database be acceptabe?
01:11<tmk>yeah i'll send it over
01:11<teratorn>knight-: i could start naming things, but i don't want to get into a language war :)
01:11<Chutt>mikegrb, if it were generic
01:11<Chutt>dependsetting or whatnot
01:11<knight->teratorn, indeed it isn't appropriate.
01:12<Chutt>python's _obviously_ better
01:12<Chutt>just look at how much better freevo is!
01:12<knight->hahaha
01:12<teratorn>Chutt: oh come on now ;)
01:12<Chutt>sorry :p
01:12<teratorn>keep it above the belt :)
01:12<Chutt>i've never even looked at python
01:12<mikegrb>hmm, so how about the depend line is something like <depends>EnableXbox</depends> and it checks to see if stated setting is true?
01:13<Chutt>mikegrb, <dependsetting>EnableXbox</dependsetting>
01:13<mikegrb>okay got you :-)
01:15<Chutt>shouldn't be all that difficult
01:15<mikegrb>no I don't think so, I already did the previos, just adds checkDependSetting instead of checkDepends or whatever the function name was
01:16<hadees>does nvtv work with the binary nvidia driver?
01:16<mikegrb>s/previos/previous/
01:16<Chutt>hadees, if the card's supported, yes
01:16<hadees>would you recommend the binary nvidia driver over the default one?
01:16<Chutt>yes
01:17<Chutt>not the latest version
01:17<Chutt>the one previous to that
01:17<Chutt>since it allows you to turn on the 'experimental a/v sync' code
01:17<Chutt>and have very smooth video =)
01:17<knight->has anyone put any thought into the remote streaming of live tv and recordings?
01:18<hadees>i am intrested, do you have any docs on that?
01:19<Chutt>knight, define remote
01:19<knight->Chutt, local lan, internet, et
01:19<knight->etc
01:19<knight->via Quicktime/Winamp
01:19<knight->WMV
01:19<knight->etc
01:19<Chutt>that just requires transcoding on the fly.
01:19<knight->Yep
01:19<Chutt>local lan streaming works, obviously, between mythtv boxes.
01:20<knight->But then it needs to be piped to a streaming server
01:20<Chutt>remote would be fine as well if you had the bandwidth.
01:20<knight->For example, here at my office, I dont have any mythtv boxes
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01:21<phar0e>Greetings
01:22<tmk>chutt: you've got mail
01:22<knight->Perhaps we could make a plugin for Darwin Streaming Server
01:22<knight->to just bridge over the video source at the same time
01:22<hadees>Chutt: do you have version number for the nvidia binary driver you recommend?
01:22<Chutt>hadees, the most recent but one
01:22<Chutt>i don't know the version #.
01:23<hadees>okay
01:26<o_cee>nvidia #4363
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01:27<tmk>does that look satisfactory chutt?
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01:31<monkeyBox>sweet, I just got my VIA EPIA-M board :) Can't wait to try it out as a diskless frontend :)
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01:37<linagee>wow. this show has absolutely no black frame from commercial to show transition. i can step frame by frame. one frame, fully commercial. next frame, fully show.
01:48<hadees>they do that trick now because of vcrs that can skip commercials
01:49<mikegrb> Chutt: where are the recognized tages defined? I have my new xml tag added to the code in themedmenu but frontend dies with an unrecognized tag, grep -r "depends" * for the root of mythtv src doesn't yield any hits other then themedmenu and the xml files
01:49<hadees>really the best commercial skip i ever saw was this one on a vcr i had, you fast foward till you see the commerical then you hit stop when you see the show again and it rewinds like 6 seconds and starts playing so you don't miss anythign
01:51<mikegrb>hadees: mythtv has that, turn on sticky keys and ff/rr repositioning (not sure the name of the setting but it is just below sticky keys)
01:53<mikegrb>sorry chutt, found it :)
01:54<phar0e>I had a question about mythbackend.. why are so many processes started by default?
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01:58<knight->Ok, I'm going to figure out how to push the mythtv stream into mpeg4ip
01:58<knight->which can then push the compressed mp4 stream to any streaming server
01:58<mikegrb>phar0e: just one process, they are multiple threads
01:58<tmk>why not push to videolan?
01:58<tmk>i think that's mo' flexible
01:58<mikegrb>knight-: you should look at the new transcoder code
01:58<knight->videolan isn't as widely supported is it?
01:58<tmk>videolan has windows clients even i think
01:58<Chutt>tmk, looks fine to me
01:58<knight->mikegrb, the new transcoder has support for mp4?
01:58<tmk>thx chutt
01:59<phar0e>okay mikegrb, about all the threads, why do I need them if half of them remain idle 24/7?
01:59<knight->plain mp4 in RTP/RSTP format?
01:59<knight->i highly doubt it has the RTP/RSTP handling :)
01:59<mikegrb>knight-: no but it has raw export to fifos which might help
01:59<Chutt>phar0e, does it matter?
01:59<knight->indeed
01:59<knight->ok
01:59<mikegrb>phar0e: they don't take more resources
01:59<knight->the export to fifos is in what format? nuv?
02:00<Chutt>raw video/audio
02:00<knight->tmk, a videolan client might be to specific of a client to demand have installed at all remote locations...
02:00<phar0e>oh wait, I understand now
02:00<knight->Chutt, ahh
02:00<knight->so the raw export to fifos is prior to the transcoder/streamer?
02:01<Chutt>i would assume so, yes.
02:01<knight->it would be nice to attach the raw export to some sort of device emulation
02:01<knight->but maybe not
02:03<knight->If you have another program that wants to simultaneously process the raw
02:03<knight->audio and/or video from the capture cards, there is typically a problem
02:03<knight->in that many drivers only support one reader at a time. To address this
02:03<knight->issue, mp4live can be configure to write the raw audio and/or video that
02:03<knight->it reads from the capture cards to a named pipe (fifo). A named pipe looks
02:03<knight->like a file, but the data only exists in memory and never goes to disk.
02:03<knight->This is an efficient way to have the two applications share the media data.
02:04<knight->oh neat, so the pipe will look just like a dev
02:08<knight->Ok, so question, how can I have the transcoder on all the time?
02:08<mdz>not quite "just like" it
02:09<knight->sure, it wont have device control, etc
02:09<mdz>the only operation they have in common is read()
02:09<knight->yeah
02:09<knight->i suppose you're right
02:11<Chutt>neat
02:11<Chutt>the OSDs don't look so bad in 16 color grayscale
02:12<Chutt>when it's properly dithered, at least
02:13<Primer>so what's the story with that pchdtv.com card?
02:13<mikegrb>Chutt: just sent the patch for <dependssetting> to the list
02:14<Primer>I think I'm gonna get one of them
02:16<jbwiv>hey guys...is it safe to run mythtv for the first time without downloading the full xmltv output? as long as I rerun the filldatabase script later? It's running long............
02:17<Chutt>jbwiv, as long as one day's been downloaded already
02:17<Chutt>you don't have to wait for the entire week to download
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02:18<Chutt>mikegrb, i'm going to not use the separate function
02:18<jbwiv>Chutt: yeah, a day has downloaded. Actually, I believe 8 days have downloaded. So, time t o kill it ;-)
02:20<knight->oh man, mythfrontend over vnc is so horrid :P
02:21<knight->so is anyone aware of a way to get the transcoder on all the time?
02:22<Chutt>nope
02:22<knight->so i'm going to have to initiate the transcoder after every channel event?
02:22<Chutt>mikegrb, just committed your patch
02:22<knight->ack, that's wicked... ok, is there another way to export a raw fifo pipe from inside mythbackend?
02:24<Chutt>no
02:26<knight->Don't you agree setting up the transcoder for every channel change would be inappropriate
02:26<knight->?
02:28<teratorn>knight-: vnc, yeah. do you know about x0rfbserver?
02:29<knight->teratorn, indeed. i expect vnc quality to be crap :P
02:29<Chutt>it's not something i'd want to do, so, i really don't care :p
02:29<knight->Chutt, understood, but a little direction about how you want to see this go so it's eventually commitable would be nice
02:29<jbwiv>hey guys...I'm getting no sound from myth on (I assume) the pvr-250 card. Sound is working from the sound card to the tv(I can drop out to xmms and play tunes). Is there aything special hardware wise that should be configured for sound on the pvr-250?
02:30<knight->I could call Transcoder::UpdateTranscoder all the time
02:30<knight->But I think that would be a little silly
02:31<knight->Are you opposed to me introducing raw fifo pipe settings per capture card?
02:31<Chutt>yes.
02:31<Chutt>the entire thing's rather silly
02:32<knight->Why is it silly?
02:32<Chutt>videolan does all that
02:32<Chutt>so does mpeg4ip, no?
02:32<knight->Uhm.
02:32<Chutt>so why not use a tool that's meant for what you want to do?
02:32<knight->Mythtv blocks the devices.
02:32<Chutt>not when it's not using them it doesn't.
02:32<knight->Mythtv and those applications can't access the capture cards at the same time.
02:32<knight->Ahh, but mythtv uses them all the time
02:33<knight->In many scenarios.
02:33<Chutt>then buy another capture card.
02:33<knight->I have 3.
02:33<knight->On top of that, I have 4 mythfrontend's
02:33<knight->some constantly being used
02:33<knight->It doesn't seem very silly to me.
02:33<knight->No reason I can't tap into the raw stream
02:34<Chutt>other than the fact that the raw stream doesn't exist anywhere?
02:34<knight->hmm.
02:34<Chutt>the transcoder is decoding on the fly and trying to do some a/v sync on it.
02:37<knight->Well, hmmm.
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02:38<knight->Judging on the activity on the mailing lists about streaming capabilities, I don't think it's unreasonable for me to implement it
02:40<Chutt>here's the thing.
02:40<Chutt>it already streams just fine.
02:40<knight->between mythfrontend and mythbackend
02:41<Chutt>add .nuv playback capability to whatever you want to play it back with.
02:41<knight->heh. nuv's compression isnt suitable for internet streaming
02:41<Chutt>there is no .nuv compression.
02:41<Chutt>it's a container format, it can be anything you want
02:42<knight->ok, so how do you access the nuv stream then?
02:42<Chutt>you ask it to send it to you
02:42<knight->via the api?
02:42<Chutt>the protocol's very, very simple.
02:43<knight->but can multiple clients read that stream at the same time?
02:43<Chutt>not live tv ones, no
02:43<knight->i.e. mythfrontend and my custom streaming client?
02:43<knight->ahh, and thats where we run into problems
02:43<Chutt>but static files, sure
02:43<Chutt>the ringbuffer isn't designed for multiple readers.
02:47<knight->that's too bad :(
02:47<knight->what do you think would be involved to make the ring buffer capable of multiple readers?
02:48<knight->(considering that has many other advantages than just passing to an internet streamer... like security camera viewing on multiple frontends at the same time, watching a movie in multiple rooms at the same time, etc)
02:49<Chutt>dunno, hadn't really thought about it when i wrote the code
02:50<knight->indeed
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03:05<tmk>can multiple frontends not watch the same stream?
03:05<tmk>or just not identical copies
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03:07<tmk>chutt: you still up?
03:09<knight->tmk, each frontend requires a capture card
03:10<knight->in the backend
03:11<tmk>but if you're watching live tv
03:11<tmk>it's streaming from disk
03:12<tmk>and if you're watching recordings
03:12<tmk>its from disk
03:12<Chutt>you can't watch the same live tv stream.
03:12<tmk>ah chutt: will you be sending 1 frame's worth of mpg at a time
03:12<tmk>or just x bytes at a time
03:13<tmk>(for the decoder)
03:14<Chutt>i dunno
03:14<Chutt>how would you want it?
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03:14<tmk>well, frame per xfer seems to be the normal way of doing these things
03:15<tmk>and in current code, it skips once (i think after first GOP) on a new decode
03:15<tmk>from disk
03:15<dwmurphy>if my ether card and sound card are sharing an irq, could that cause recording problems?
03:15<tmk>frame-at-a-time (ie cat /dev/video0 -> /dev/videooutput1) works fine
03:16<tmk>what's easier for you
03:17<Chutt>doesn't really matter to me
03:17<tmk>hmm
03:18<tmk>well i'd say write it as a frame per write()
03:18<tmk>that's probably best
03:18<Chutt>sure, then
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03:23<Chutt>hrm
03:23<Chutt>think i fixed the cle266 decoder corruption
03:24<Chutt>but i broke somethin else, so, hmmmm
03:29<Chutt>this machine is so slow :(
03:33<jarodwilson>scary that 1GHz is now so slow...
03:34<Chutt>well
03:34<Chutt>it's not a ghz
03:34<jarodwilson>Ah.
03:34<Chutt>at least compared to a p3
03:34<jarodwilson>Still scary. :)
03:34<Chutt>it's really only about as fast as my p3-550
03:34<jarodwilson>Ack.
03:35<jarodwilson>Haven't ever used one of those...
03:35<Chutt>i don't have one anymore
03:35<Chutt>died last weekend
03:35<jarodwilson>? Then what is being so slow right now?
03:36<jarodwilson>The P3?
03:36<jarodwilson>(my firewall is a P3-933...)
03:36<jarodwilson>(I have WAAAY too much hardware)
03:37<jarodwilson>Quick question, anyone tried much with a cx88-based card yet, and had any success?
03:37<Chutt>via epia-m
03:37<Chutt>nehemiah, m10k
03:37<jarodwilson>I thought you said it died, or do you have a loaner?
03:37<jarodwilson><-confused, as usual.
03:39<Chutt>my p3-550 died
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03:39<jarodwilson>Gotcha. How sad. The first Myth box is no more...
03:40<Chutt>it was only the first myth box for a couple weeks
03:40<Chutt>and that was mostly experimentation
03:40<jbwiv>hello again. Anyone care to field an audio /dev/dsp question? I'm trying to get this box going for my wife's birthday tomorrow (today), and she'll be home in around 4 hours. I'm starting to panic! ;-)
03:40<jarodwilson>But still the first!
03:41<jarodwilson>Hm... Well, I've managed to install an entire working system from bare metal in under 3 hours...
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03:41<jarodwilson>What's the /dev/dsp question?
03:41<jbwiv>jarodwilson:
03:42<jbwiv>I have two tuners
03:42<jbwiv>one is a pvr-250.
03:42<jbwiv>the other is an ATI TV-wonder.
03:42<jarodwilson>okay
03:42<jbwiv>The wonder is wired directly into the sound card's onboard input.
03:42<jarodwilson>Internal?
03:43<jbwiv>I can play, say, xmms from within KDE and listen to music
03:43<jbwiv>yes, internal.
03:43<jbwiv>but if I attempt to use MythTV for watching/recording, no sound.
03:43<jarodwilson>Have you killed off artsd?
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03:44<jbwiv>jarodwilson..
03:44<jbwiv>no, did I miss that in the instructions!
03:45<jbwiv>just kill -9 it?
03:45<jarodwilson>Perhaps. It is a fairly commond thing for artsd to interfere
03:45<jarodwilson>That should work, or killalll artsd
03:45<jbwiv>alright, let me give it a go
03:45<jarodwilson>Then disable it in the control center so it doesn't load next login
03:46<jbwiv>sigh...no luck.
03:46<jarodwilson>What distro?
03:46<jarodwilson>What kernel, how old are the ivtv drivers, etc
03:46<jbwiv>in the myth output, I see "Opening OSS audio device /dev/dsp"
03:46<jbwiv>jarodwilson: Red Hat 9.
03:46<jarodwilson>And does cat /dev/videoX > testfile.mpg work for the PVR?
03:47<jbwiv>followed the instructions online. complete apt-get install...
03:47<jarodwilson>You might also need to go into the setup section within the frontend and step through everything.
03:47<jbwiv>it did earlier. Now just getting a black screen, but I think it must be a channel setting. But yes, I was getting sound going that route
03:48<jbwiv>jarodwilson: yup...did that I believe. Verified that /dev/dsp is what is selected....
03:48<jarodwilson>I've seen issues with /dev/dsp not cooperating until you go through the section that includes where you set it.
03:48<jbwiv>let me take a quick 'nother loook.
03:48<jarodwilson>Okay, did you get all the way to the end and select Finish?
03:48<jarodwilson>Definitely make sure to do that...
03:49<jarodwilson>Setup->General
03:49<jarodwilson>Flippin' Mariners... 6 hits in 2 days against the f'ing Devil Rays...
03:50<jbwiv>aggh...!!! no luck again. Sigh...
03:51<jarodwilson>Which device is your PVR?
03:51<jarodwilson>/dev/video0 or /dev/video1?
03:51<jbwiv>I believe /dev/video0 is the PVR-250
03:51<jbwiv>/dev/video1 is the TV-wonder. Is there a quick way to be absolutely sure?
03:52<jarodwilson>Did you add the TV-wonder at the same time as the PVR, or after?
03:52<jarodwilson>Look through /var/log/messages and/or /var/log/dmesg to see which device registered as what
03:53<jarodwilson>I believe bttv likes to load really early in the startup under Red Hat, while ivtv loads much later, so the bttv card probably hijacked /dev/video0
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03:53<jarodwilson>So it is possible you had the PVR as 0, but it got bumped to 1, and thus things are now problematic
03:54<knight->this might be obvious, but have you set the sound levels?
03:54<knight->since you have sound going from the card to your aux input on your sound card, be sure aux is turned up
03:55<jbwiv>nope...looks like bttv9: registered device video1\n tvaudio: TV audio decoder + audio/video linux driver
03:55<jbwiv>knight-: yeah, adjusted like crazy. Let me make sure again....
03:55<jarodwilson>Ah, using bttv9. Okay, different situation than Red Hat's stock bttv
03:55<knight->also keep in mind that tuner does not have the ability to have two types at once
03:55<knight->hence, you need to use a hacked ivtv driver
03:56<knight->that lets you pass the tuner type as an option to the ivtv module, and then the ati's type to the tuner module
03:56<jarodwilson>I'd say rewind and try to get the cat /dev/video0 working
03:56<knight->i'm willing to bet that the pvr250 and the all-in-wonder uses different tuners
03:56<jarodwilson>Ah, yes... I forgot about that. My bttv card and ivtv card are both type 2.
03:57<knight->what tuner type number is the ati all-in-wonder?
03:57<jbwiv>jarodwilson: sorry, that should read bttv0:
03:57<knight->if it isnt 2, you'll have to install the hacked ivtv driver
03:57<jbwiv>knight-: hang on.
03:57<jarodwilson>Well, the PVR-250 will work with either 2 or 8 for me... (philips or temic)
03:58<jbwiv># tv wonder config
03:58<jbwiv>options bttv pll=1 radio=0 card=63 tuner=2 gbuffers=4
03:58<jbwiv>options tuner type=2
03:58<knight->ok, so i'm assuming you found out the all-in-wonder is type 2
03:58<jarodwilson>So tuner hopefully isn't a problem...
03:58<jbwiv>I pulled that from the old box I had this card in and dropped it in /etc/modules.conf
03:58<knight->the ati?
03:58<jbwiv>yes
03:58<knight->ok that shouldnt be the problem then
03:59<knight->the module loading order is VERY important
03:59<jbwiv>i've had the ati awhile. Just got the PVR from amazon yesterday (the whole birthday thing) :-)
03:59<jbwiv>knight-: can I message you with a paste of my modules.conf? Would that be informative?
03:59<knight->well
04:00<jbwiv>I'm very much a novice when it comes to modules.....
04:00<jbwiv>one thing interesting to note....I can't seem to get audio with xawtv against /dev/video1 either...
04:01<jarodwilson>hrm
04:01<jarodwilson>so about that module load order, knight...
04:01<jbwiv>xawtv says volumne at 98%...no sound.
04:01<jarodwilson>Oh, but wait.
04:01<jbwiv>should I do some rmmod/insmod'ing?
04:02<jarodwilson>If you've set up your mixer for MythTV, you'll have no sound in xawtv
04:02<jarodwilson>you'll have to unmute the line in for xawtv to have sound
04:03<jbwiv>hang on....
04:03<jbwiv>line in isn't muted...
04:03<jbwiv>afaict
04:03<jarodwilson>not good
04:03<jbwiv>sigh...
04:03<jbwiv>sorry to be such a pain ;*(
04:04<jbwiv>I've been at this for over 8 hours now! ;)
04:04<jarodwilson>I like a good problem, and who needs sleep?
04:05<jbwiv>lol....yes.
04:05<jbwiv>looks like I'm coming down with a stomach flu (good work excuse). ;-)
04:05<jarodwilson>heh
04:05<jarodwilson>My wife had that today. ;p
04:05<jbwiv>lol
04:06<jbwiv>If i can get this thing working, it'll be worth it to see the look on my wife's face! She's been wanting a PVR for awhile now. Hate to miss that ;-)
04:06<jbwiv>let me give the cat thing a try again.
04:06<jarodwilson>Fire me off a copy of that modules.conf too
04:07<knight->cat both devices
04:07<jarodwilson>just the PVR
04:07<jarodwilson>?
04:07<jarodwilson>d'oh
04:07<jarodwilson>never mind
04:08<jarodwilson>What does one cat a bttv card to?
04:08<jarodwilson>A raw capture for the PVR creates an mpeg2 file, but a bttv card can't...
04:21<tmk>is the audio line-in mutedd
04:21<tmk>check your mixer settings
04:21<jarodwilson>We just got it fixed.
04:21<tmk>ah ok
04:21<tmk>what was it?
04:21<jarodwilson>It was a module config problem
04:21<tmk>ahso
04:21<jarodwilson>He'd cut and pasted the ATi card's mod config from another machine
04:22<tmk>ok sleep time
04:22<jarodwilson>and it had alias char-major-81 bttv
04:22<jarodwilson>instead of char-major-81-1
04:22<tmk>that'll do it
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04:27<jarodwilson>g'night all...
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08:43<michal>do you guys know anything about what the best tvoutput capable video card is?
08:43<michal>sounds like the best thing available under linux is matrox via directfb
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09:21<jbwiv>morning guys...
09:21<pahli_bar>morning jbwiv
09:21<jbwiv>anyone running multiple capture cards? I'm having a small issue ;-)
09:26<choenig>jbwiv: I am
09:27<jbwiv>sweet choenig.
09:27<jbwiv>are you able to record in the background and watch live tv at the same time?
09:28<choenig>yes
09:29<jbwiv>choenig: sigh....I'm having a bit of a problem. MythTV just slows down and I get a black screen if I try to do that.
09:30<jbwiv>choenig: how can I verify what device is currently in use?
09:30<choenig>I think the first defined is used first
09:31<jbwiv>hmmm....
09:31<jbwiv>I'm at a loss.
09:31<jbwiv>;-)
09:31<choenig>you get the problem both when you start recording first, then livetv and vice versa?
09:31<jbwiv>Thanks for the answers. Now, I[m not even sure what questions to ask ;-)
09:32<jbwiv>at least the first scenario...
09:32<jbwiv>haven't tried the second.
09:33<jbwiv>how do I start recording *after* live tv?
09:33<choenig>schedule a recording within short time, then watch livetv and wait
09:34<jbwiv>ok, stand by.
09:34<vektor>michal: You were reading my page? :)
09:40<jbwiv>choenig: hmmm....in that scenario it works fine?!?
09:41<jbwiv>choenig: wonder what could be going on?
09:42<jbwiv>choenig: even more interesting...if I quit watching, go view some of the currrently being recorded show, and the go back to watching live tv, I lose sound on the live tv portion!
09:42<jbwiv>now I know I setup both tuners to use /dev/dsp....could that be the culprit?
09:42<choenig>hmm
09:44<jbwiv>sigh...what a pain ;-)
09:48<jbwiv>choenig: any ideas?
09:49<choenig>nope, sorru
09:49<choenig>sorry
09:49<jbwiv>choenig: ok, thanks anyway. Do you know if it's okay to have two tuners share the same dsp file? In other words, do your cards both use /dev/dsp?
09:50<choenig>no, you can't do that
09:50<choenig>I'm using btaudio for my first card, a pci card for my second one, and the onboardsound for my third capture card
09:50<jbwiv>ah...that's probably my problem then.
09:51<jbwiv>Ok, well, my PVR-250 supposedly sends directly to the Soundblaster card I have. My TV-wonder has a line that runs from it to the Soundblaster's onboard analog input.
09:52<jbwiv>Do I need to have two sound cards to use two tuners?
09:52<jbwiv>by line I mean an actual wire.
09:53<choenig>I don't know how those PVRs are handled with sound, but normally you need one for every capture card if you cannot use btaudio
09:53<rkulagow>the pvr-250 encodes sound directly in the stream that mythtv reads. it doesn't need a patch cable to a sound card.
09:55<jbwiv>hmmmm what does btaudio provide? I'm assuming that since the TV-wonder uses bttv that I can probably get that to work?
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10:02<jbwiv>ahha! got it.
10:03<jbwiv>choenig: changed the output on the TV-wonder card to use the cards audio-out and had that go into my cards external audio-in. then set the video1 to use dsp1. Works like a charm.
10:03<jbwiv>THanks for your help man!
10:04<choenig>its not that I brought the sollution, but noprob :-)
10:04<jbwiv>choenig: you stated that two devices coudn't share /dev/dsp ;-)
10:05<choenig>ok :)
10:06<jbwiv>hey, does anyone know if there's a way to get myth to support streaming mp3s? ala internet radio?
10:09<choenig>I think there were several ppl working on that, but AFAIK there never came anything out
10:09<jbwiv>choenig: ok, that's a shame. thanks.
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10:16<choenig>bbl
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11:13<hurdel>is cvs access working? i entered the password and it has been about a minute already
11:15<ForsGump>is pcHDTV seeking functional in myth?
11:16<hurdel>doh: cvs [login aborted]: connect to cvs.mythtv.org(66.93.11.148):2401 failed: Connection timed out
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11:18<dwmurphy>what was taht about char-major-81 vs -81-1?
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11:29<RGi>I have some trouble installing lirc... =/
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11:38<RGi>arg.. this sux..
11:38<RGi>ah. well.. look at it later.. just want this mythTV thingie to work =D
11:42<hurdel>does mythweb really need to run on the same machine as mythbackend? I'm asking because this never used to be the case
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12:09<RGi>hmm.. I cant get TV in mythTV... but when i do cat /dev/video0 > /tmp/test_capture.mpg it captures video.....?
12:10<RGi>any good surgestions on what coul be wrong ?
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12:15<mdz_>slackware users are weird
12:16<RGi>slackware is nice =)
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12:18<hurdel>RGi : sound problems?
12:19<RGi>hurdel : nah.. the screen gets black.. nothing on it... =/
12:20<RGi>hurdel, : havent connected anything to my soundcard yeat..
12:20<hurdel>RGi : what does it say on your console?
12:20<hurdel>RGi : myth will still be trying to deal with sound tho
12:20<hurdel>when you cat /dev/video0 are you doing that as the same user that you are running myth as?
12:21<RGi>hurdel, : connecting to backend server: 127.0.0.1:6543
12:21<RGi>root.
12:21<ForsGump>pvr card?
12:21<RGi>hauppauge PVR 350
12:22<ForsGump>hang on sshing into my mythbox
12:22<hurdel>when you try to watch tv tho and the screen is black, alt-tab to the console where you started mythfrontend
12:22<hurdel>see what it says
12:22<ForsGump>using tuner or composite/s-video
12:23<RGi>hurdel : I just wrote what it says... connecting to backend server.......
12:23<RGi>ForsGump : tuner
12:24<ForsGump>'k i remember I had to pick Composite 4 to get the composite to work... but there's only 1 tuner
12:25<ForsGump>so never mind, sorry :(
12:26<RGi>could it be that I configured something wrong in mythtvsetup under general ?? (IP addresses etc..)
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12:29<hurdel>RGi : mythbackend is on the same box?
12:29<RGi>hurdel: yes..
12:29<RGi>ehmm.. I dont have to run mythfilldatabase first to see anything right ?? =P
12:30<hurdel>don't think so
12:30<RGi>ok..
12:31<hurdel>i just got myth working yesterday, so i'm not mr. experience by any stretch
12:31<RGi>=)
12:31<mecraw>i ran into problems changing channels the other night because i hadn't run mythfilldatabase yet
12:31<RGi>what TV card ?
12:32<ForsGump>that's probably on any card as it tries to query the DB for program info.
12:32<RGi>well.. I meant.. what card hurdel was using =)
12:32<Chutt>you do have to run mythfilldatabase first.
12:32<hurdel>hauppauge wintv
12:33<Chutt>like the docs tell you to.
12:33<hurdel>if Chutt had a nickel for every time he references the docs.......
12:33<ForsGump>been using myth since before it was client/server but that doesn't make me an expert
12:33<RGi>Chutt, : hmm okay... have to wait for some time then =/
12:34<ForsGump>it does make me an expert on MY configuration however
12:34<hurdel>ForsGump : i had it rocking then too, until my mobo decided to die, didn't get it reinstalled until yesterday, been following the dev with envy since then :)
12:34<ForsGump>isn't myth one of the SWEETEST, COOLEST open source projects out there
12:34<ForsGump>?
12:34<ForsGump>:)
12:34<mecraw>just put a few channels in you xxx.xmltv file and cancel out of mythfilldatabase to get a days worth of info if you're just testing
12:36<ForsGump>I'll ask my question from earlier: does anyone know if the pchdtv (hd-2000) has all live-tv functionality?
12:36<Chutt>not yet
12:36<Chutt>there's a bug w/ seeking forward, apparently
12:36<RGi>does the TV out work on the PVR 350 with MythTV ??
12:37<Chutt>no.
12:37<Chutt>it barely works in the driver yet.
12:37<RGi>hehe.. okay... got to buy a new Video card with TV out then....
12:39<ForsGump>chutt: thx for the info. am getting ready to jump on the hd-2000 but will wait for the kinks to be worked out since I have a dedicated mythbox and my wife is NOT a geek like me ;)
12:39<Chutt>the kinks _won't_ get worked out until someone does the work
12:39<RGi>ForsGump, =)
12:40<ForsGump>wish i remembered my c++ programming
12:40<RGi>ForsGump, I have a MSi Mega PC as a MythTV box =)
12:40<ForsGump>so long ago (10 years) since I did any *real* programming (beyond perl and bash scripts)
12:41<ForsGump>RGi i built a watercooled (for silence not overclocking) box to go with our hdtv :)
12:41<RGi>ForsGump, nice =)
12:42<ForsGump>RGi: thx :)
12:55<poo>ForsGump: nice!
12:55<poo>ForsGump: do you use the new pchd card(s) ?
12:56<ForsGump>am ordering one today
12:56<ForsGump>:)
12:56<poo>nice
12:58<poo>sounds like you have a high-end system. thats cool; thats what i want to build.. :P
12:58<ForsGump>poo: thx been slowly building up to it :)
12:59<RGi>where can I get NES and SNES games ? =)
13:00<poo>toys r us? :)
13:02* ForsGump is chucklin
13:10<ForsGump>brb
13:26<RGi>well.. the sound works...
13:26<RGi>just waiting for the TV database now... ugh..
13:26<RGi>still waiting..
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13:42<rozo>you don't need to wait
13:42<rozo>just run it in the background
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13:46<orangebits>Does the download on from the website support DVB?
13:52<RGi>rozo, : it does.. but I still have to wait for it to dl complet before I run the TV app right ?
13:54<rozo>nope.
13:55<hurdel>i just dl'd nuvexport and I see that the svcd support is currently disabled, is that going to be fixed?
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14:02<Chutt>thor, hey
14:02<thor_>Hey
14:02<thor_>how's it going?
14:05<Chutt>decently
14:05<thor_>I've got some burning stuff working .... trying to get it a little more fleshed out
14:05<Chutt>cool
14:05<thor_>will be nice
14:06<Chutt>i've gotten most of the OSD stuff done
14:06<thor_>cool
14:06<thor_>I may actually have to plug in a PVR-250 one of these days
14:06<Chutt>and i fixed the video corruption i was getting on the epia-m decoder =)
14:06<Chutt>so that's working ok now
14:06<thor_>er, 350
14:06<thor_>cool
14:07<Chutt>the osd doesn't look all that bad in 16 color greyscale
14:07<Chutt>properly dithered, that is
14:07<thor_>after the burning and a few other tweaks, I want to do some serious rethink of a monolithic player that understands all metadata and has all "modules" in memory at all times ...
14:07<Chutt>sure
14:08<Chutt>each module registers what it can handle
14:08<thor_>nice clean metadata class hierarchy
14:08<thor_>one object to ->play() video and audio
14:08<Chutt>the only thing i'm worried about is that i still think music should be presented differently than tv recordings
14:09<thor_>visually, yup
14:09<Chutt>but internally it can all be the same
14:09<thor_>yup yup
14:10<thor_>anyway .... worth burning some hours on
14:10<tmk>what was the corruption issue chutt?
14:10<Chutt>the damn driver doesn't have any internal locks
14:10<tmk>heh
14:11<Chutt>and no way to get status information, ie, if it's still using an internal buffer or not
14:11<Chutt>i assumed that it did
14:11<tmk>silly chutt
14:11<Chutt>the locking, that is
14:11<Chutt>so i had to enforce some external locking on it
14:12<tmk>gotcha
14:13<tmk>find your day-job bug yet?
14:13<Chutt>heh no
14:13<Chutt>i think the machine's having hardware problems.
14:13<tmk>haha
14:13<tmk>yeah my box is like that sometimes
14:13<tmk>that's REALLY frustrating
14:13<tmk>spend all day debugging
14:13<tmk>change nothing
14:13<Chutt>i just had to have my boss drive in and reboot it manually
14:13<tmk>turn it off, let it cool down
14:13<Chutt>didn't respond to manually reboots
14:13<tmk>come back and it's fine
14:14<Chutt>err, remote reboots
14:14<tmk>you should get one of those network-controllable powerstrips
14:14<tmk>i have one at home
14:14<tmk>in case i feel like doing remote driver work and the machine locks
14:14<Chutt>cut power to it?
14:14<tmk>just power it off
14:14<tmk>ya
14:14<tmk>:)
14:14<Chutt>i'd need to setup a serial console, though
14:15<tmk>they have a web interface ususally
14:15<tmk>apc ones at least
14:15<Chutt>no, for the machine
14:15<Chutt>to handle fscks
14:15<tmk>oh it's a linux box?
14:15<tmk>yeah
14:15<Chutt>yeah
14:15<tmk>that's easy tho
14:15<Chutt>yeah, but it takes time
14:16<tmk>in lilo.conf:
14:16<tmk>image=/vmlinuz
14:16<tmk> label=linux-scon
14:16<tmk> append="root=/dev/hda1 console=ttyS0,115200n8"
14:16<tmk> read-only
14:17<tmk>then you just need to run the cable
14:17<Chutt>there's slightly more than that, but, yeah
14:17<Chutt>i've done it a lot :p
14:17<tmk>i have it at home too
14:17<tmk>okok
14:18<tmk>just have to make sure the kernel supports it
14:18<Chutt>yeah
14:18<Chutt>which, i don't believe that kernel does
14:18<Chutt>it's an old 2.4.6 custom job i did, modified to support a bunch of soundcards at once =)
14:19<Chutt>i don't think i turned on options i didn't need
14:19<tmk>that always bites me too
14:26<RGi>arg... I cant figure out why I cant watch TV....
14:27<RGi>the only thing it writes on my console is ...connecting to backend server: 80.232.114.210:6543
14:27<Chutt>what's the backend say?
14:28<RGi>ehmm... GOOD question ! I havent look at that yeat.. hehe
14:29<RGi>Probed: /dev/video0 - S-Video 3
14:29<RGi>Cable is defined, but isn't attached to a cardinput.
14:30<Chutt>so you didn't do section 4 of the setup program, most likely.
14:30<RGi>I did..
14:31<ForsGump>the truth squirts out... :)
14:31<RGi>2003-09-05 20:29:12 WARNING: Capture device /dev/dsp is not reporting full duplex capability.
14:31<RGi>See docs/mythtv-HOWTO, section 18 for more information.
14:31<RGi>Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV
14:31<RGi>error reading from: /dev/video0
14:31<RGi>read: Input/output error
14:31<RGi>hmm.....
14:31<Chutt>your ivtv driver is not installed/working properly.
14:32<RGi>Chutt, : well it works when I do cat /dev/vide0 > /file
14:32<RGi>but.. Il look at it..
14:34<RGi>how can I delte a video source ??
14:34<Chutt>a channel source?
14:34<Chutt>through the database.
14:35<RGi>mysql right ?
14:35<Chutt>yup.
14:36<jkolb>Should it even be trying to open /dev/dsp with a pvr?
14:36<Chutt>jkolb, if you set it to, yeah
14:36<Chutt>if you do like the howto says and set it to none instead of /dev/dsp, then no
14:37<ForsGump>and aren't we all supposed to rtfm? ;)
14:37<jkolb>Does myth still do the no video thing if you can't play audio?
14:37<sfr>yes
14:37<jkolb>So if it's opening /dev/dsp for capture, and it can't do full duplex, could that be the problem?
14:37<RGi>chutt : I used this howto.. http://pvrhw.goldfish.org/tiki-page.php?pageName=rh9pvr250
14:37<Chutt>no
14:38<Chutt>rgi, you're supposed to be reading the official docs.
14:38<jkolb>Why not?
14:38<Chutt>jkolb, it's not used beyond testing it for full-duplex capabilities in this case
14:38<jkolb>Oh, it closes it after that msg?
14:39<RGi>Chutt, : okay...*doh* going to do it now... =)
14:39<Chutt>jkolb, yeah
14:46<hurdel>sorry to repeat, but is nuvexport going to get svcd featrues back in it?
14:47<hurdel>they are currently disabled (dl'd it today)
14:50<Chutt>ask on the list.
14:54<hurdel>shall do
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15:16<sfr>hm, my frontend just got stuck while watching TV (rebuffering ...) should i wait for it to recover, or stop it with ctrl-c and take a backtrace with gdb?
15:16<Chutt>backtrace
15:17<Chutt>see what it's doing
15:17<sfr>frontend or backend :)
15:18<sfr>i mean both are started with gdb so which one should i kill first?
15:18<Chutt>try to get em both done close to the same time
15:18<Chutt>but frontend first
15:20<sfr>ok, frontend is stopped, backend seems to do fine. will send the bt to the -dev list.
15:21<Chutt>leave it in gdb if you don't mind
15:21<Chutt>assuming the backtrace is good, i may want to look at it
15:22<Chutt>you noticed i applied your command line options patch, right?
15:23<sfr>yupp, yupp
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15:27<sfr>should be there now.
15:27<Chutt>not yet
15:28<sfr>but shows up in the ml archive :)
15:29<Chutt>yeah
15:29<Chutt>getting delivered takes time
15:29<cadavis>I get errors manually building mythtv in debian. I need to recompile for VIA c3 processor so I can apt-get it. help!!
15:29<sfr>sorry Chutt the backend segfaulted just now. :( another mail?
15:29<Chutt>naw
15:29<Chutt>just leave it
15:29<Chutt>it probably didn't like the frontend going away
15:29<Chutt>is all
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15:30<cadavis>I get errors when I try and use the "make" command
15:30<Chutt>cadavis, how the hell do you think someone can help you without you saying what the error is?
15:30<thor_>cadavis, http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-5.html#ss5.1
15:30<cadavis>sorry yall, I get the "No rule to make target"
15:31<sfr>Chutt, it seems to me, the backend of about 3 weeks ago wasn't so picky, or was i just lucky?
15:31<cadavis>I read and re-read the docs thor_ I just need to get this compiled and I'm good
15:31<Chutt>sfr, hasn't changed.
15:33<thor_>cadavis, "I need to recompile for VIA c3 processor so I can apt-get it" <-- huh?
15:33<Chutt>why are you messaging me?
15:33<Chutt>cadavis, you did _not_ read the docs _at all_
15:33<Chutt>as that's covered in there.
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15:34<cadavis>I read the instructions, and I'm aware of what I need to do. I just am not that good at compiling. always have troubles
15:34<Chutt>you did not read the instructions.
15:34<Chutt>if you did, you wouldn't be asking that question
15:34<Chutt>as it's covered in there.
15:35<Chutt>hell, it's even in the troubleshooting section
15:35<cadavis>I have to manually build mythtv and edit the settings.pro to allow my VIA proc to work but I cannot sucessfully build the mythtv package. that why I asked for help
15:35<Chutt>with that _exact_ error message
15:35<thor_>http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-singlehtml.html#ss19.20
15:35<cadavis>oh damn
15:36<cadavis>I just saw that
15:36<Chutt>thor, next one.
15:36<Chutt>.21
15:36<cadavis>sorry Chutt, sorry thor. didn't read far enough down...
15:36<Chutt>sfr, i don't see anything wrong
15:36<Chutt>sfr, aside from information missing (those first 3 threads missing backtraces)
15:37<sfr>Chutt: hm thats what script put in the log file.
15:39<Chutt>actually
15:39<Chutt>when did you pause it?
15:39<sfr>sorry?
15:39<Chutt>you hit pause somewhere in there, right?
15:40<Chutt>see thread 3
15:40<sfr>earlier, yes, the last i think i did was a channel change, maybe 20 sec. before.
15:41<Chutt>hmm
15:41<Chutt>odd.
15:42<sfr>Chutt, why does it say: no symbol table available for threads 7-4?
15:42<Chutt>i don't konw
15:42<Chutt>know
15:42<Chutt>would help to have those
15:43<sfr>i'm on debian unstable btw.
15:43<Chutt>huh, weird
15:44<Chutt>always works fine here
15:44<sfr>but i'm using WOLK kernels if that matters.
15:44<Chutt>i dunno
15:44<Chutt>i just wish i could reproduce this
15:44<sfr>the missing symbol table thing?
15:45<Chutt>no, the hang
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15:46<sfr>Chutt: this happens occasionally while watching live-tv (well, thats all i do).
15:46<Chutt>heh
15:48<sfr>i mean't i didn't record any movies lately :)
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15:52<orangebits>How does mythfilldatabase know what command to run?
15:52<thor_>eh?
15:52<orangebits>I keep getting "config file /home/ed/.mythtv/free.xmltv does not exist, run me with --configure"
15:53<thor_>perhaps run it with --configure ?
15:54<orangebits>Run what with --configure? It's not a valid option for mythfilldatabase
15:54<sfr>and no, not mythfilldatabase :)
15:54<orangebits>What then?
15:54<sfr>orangebits: the xmltv grabber you selected.
15:55<orangebits>I've already done that
15:55<sfr>tv_grab_na for US
15:55<orangebits>tv_grab_uk
15:56<thor_>orangebits, did you do setup as root and now trying to run mythfilldatabase as "ed"?
15:57<orangebits>I've tried as both users
15:57<orangebits>I've copied tv_grab_uk.conf to ~/.mythtv/free.xmltv and something seems to be happening
15:57<cadavis>okay guys, one more question, in woody stable there is no mkspecs dir in qt3 dir. do I need to recompile qt3 to get that or is it in another place in debian?
15:58<thor_>cadavis, I *think* you just need your QTDIR defined
15:58<sfr>cadavis: you installed the qt -dev package, right?
15:59<cadavis>is it qt3-dev or what is the package called?
16:00<cadavis>wait, okay libqt3-dev is installed
16:00<cadavis>so is there a howto on how I can define my qtdir?
16:00<sfr>for what thor_ said: export QTDIR=/usr/share/qt3
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16:00<RGi>WEE !
16:00<cadavis>I tried to follow the mythtv FAQ but I hit errors
16:00<cadavis>ok
16:00<RGi>got it working !
16:00<ForsGump>RGi: congrats
16:00<sfr>cadavis: it's all in the mythtv documentation.
16:01<RGi>it was problem with gnome (that I didnt read before now =( ) and with my sound card... =)
16:03<sfr>rkugalow: you there?
16:04<cadavis>holy shit it compiled! haha. okay so I was setting my qt dir wrong.
16:05<sfr>cadavis: and as an excuse: i don't find that mentioned for debian in the HOWTO 4.3 section.
16:05<cadavis>yeah, that's what I was saying
16:05<cadavis>it turned out the qt dir was in /usr/share/qt/mkspec
16:05<cadavis>not /usr/share/qt3/mkspec
16:05<cadavis>so that was my prob
16:06<sfr>cadavis: oh, i use debian instable only.
16:06<cadavis>ah, yeah I'm still in stable
16:06<sfr>cadavis: so you needed QTDIR=/usr/share/qt ?
16:07<cadavis>yeah, and then I made a soft link to that dir using "ln -sf linux-g++ default"
16:07<cadavis>then it worked fine
16:07<cadavis>still compiling BTW
16:08<sfr>cadavis: you are using mdz source packages?
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16:09<cadavis>no not the debain source
16:09<cadavis>just the reg source
16:09<cadavis>is that a prob?
16:09<harrih>Hi, is Chutt around ?
16:09<sfr>cadavis: i don't think.
16:09<cadavis>well I got install probs now
16:09<cadavis>install error 2
16:10<cadavis>Ooo, no g++ installed. that's why
16:10<sfr>cadavis: that's why i asked :) no missing packages with those.
16:10<harrih>I get errors when recording some programs (some work without errors), mythbackend log show stuff like this:
16:10<cadavis>hmm.. would it be a similar compile method??
16:10<harrih>header damagedMarker bit missing before time_incrementMarker bit missing before vop_codedvop not codedMarker bit missing before time_incrementMarker bit missing before vop_codedvop not codedMarker bit missing before time_incrementMarker bit missing before vop_codedvop not codedMarker bit missing before time_incrementMarker bit missing before vop_codedvop not coded
16:11<harrih>anyone know what might cause that
16:11<thor_>harrih, what kind of recording?
16:11<cadavis>sfr: I'm gonna try and recompile again. maybe it'll work better with g++ installed! :)
16:11<harrih>mpeg4 bt 878
16:12<sfr>harrih: there is a mythtv-users ml. did you post there? No, sorry don't know what this means.
16:12<thor_>cadavis, I suspect that will work a little more smoothly?
16:12<harrih>not yet, this is also related to the FF freezing (going into rebuffering loop) that some people (me included) have
16:12<thor_>harrih, you got me ... sorry
16:12<harrih>i noticed that the files that were recorded and backend was giving these errors enter the loop
16:13<harrih>k. thanks thor.. I'll post a message in the mailing list
16:13<sfr>Chutt: the bt i sent yesterday also looks ok?
16:13<cadavis>thor_: haha yeah I think so
16:14<thor_>be sure to mention if you're using a release or CVS ...
16:14<thor_>(harrih)
16:14<orangebits>How does channel_dvb get filled?
16:14<harrih>yeah, using cvs
16:16<RGi>QTime::fromString: Parameter out of range. ?
16:16<hadees>anyone know where i can get help setting up tv out on my nvidia graphic card, for some reason nvtv isn't displaying it
16:16<RGi>I see that on my mythfrontend console.
16:18<sfr>Chutt: ahem, just to make sure: having libmyth and the mythfroned executable compiled for debugging is enough? (did a release install first and only copied these two over later on)
16:19<sfr>Chutt mythfronted resp. mythbackend
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17:45<o_cee>how does myth handle a properly broadcasted 16:9 anamorfic show on a 4:3? does it add borders?
17:46<knight->do the screens in all the myth modules extend something?
17:48<tmk>has anyone written a digital cable serial connection channel-changer yet?
17:48<tmk>someone tried to get me to write one
17:48<mikegrb>tmk: there has been talk about it on the list
17:49<tmk>yeah, but did anyone actually DO it
17:49<mikegrb>from the list posts it sounded like more then one person was using a script so I'd say yes
17:49<o_cee>with a SVHS->SCART cable.. is it possible to trigger the "switch to this input" on the tv? anyone who knows? would be great if myth would tell the tv to switch automatically..
17:49<knight->the windows are extensions of MythDialog right?
17:49<mikegrb>dunno if it was written by a myth person or someone else though
17:50<RGi>hmm anyone here that hav had problems running make on lirc CVS and stable ?
17:51<hadees>where can i get a config file for the hauppauge remote that came with the pvr250
17:51<hadees>for lirc
17:51<sfr>o_cee: don't know, i thought vcr's also output a 'switch' signal on one pin, but i could be wrong.
17:51<hadees>i didn't see it in the lirc remote dir for hauppauge
17:52<o_cee>sfr: yeah.. but i'm not sure if it's connected to the svhs pins..
17:52<knight->hadess, look in the contrib
17:52<knight->erm
17:52<knight->look in the ivtv utils dir
17:52<sfr>o_cee: i meant when using a scart-to-scart connection.
17:52<o_cee>sfr: yeah, scart->scart wouldn't be any problems.. my dvd works like that..
17:53<o_cee>http://www.deviantart.com/view/2842280/ <-- friggin awesome icon for moz firebird
17:53<vektor>Chutt: How do you do mappings from XMLTV channel names to channels?
17:54<sfr>vektor: i'll just stomp in :) there's a xmltvid field for every channel in the channels table.
17:55<vektor>and the user does that manually?
17:55<vektor>i have like 60 channels i'm just wondering what heuristic chutt uses, there must be some :)
17:56<vektor>cause it works fine here, i just do string compares on the display-name field, but i have some european/australian users who don't seem to have this luxury :)
17:56<sfr>vektor: no, it's set up when running mythfilldatabase afaik
17:56<tmk>ooh someone did
17:56<tmk>excellent
17:57<vektor>sfr: manually ?
17:57<sfr>vektor: meaning mythfilldatabase will propagate the channels table with the info from the grabber script.
17:57<vektor>sure but you miss my point :)
17:57<vektor>i did xmltv support in mythtv
17:58<vektor>oops
17:58<vektor>in tvtime :)
17:58<sfr>vektor: i think so :)
17:58<vektor>and i want to know how to map from these xmltv channel names to like frequencies that i tune to
17:58<vektor>at some point, an association needs to be made that i should use frequency blah and that == xmltv channel name bar
17:59<tmk>get the channel #
18:00<tmk>and the cable-tv frequencies list
18:00<tmk>mapit
18:00<vektor>that works for me, not for european users ;)
18:00<vektor>they don't use channel #s consistently like that :)
18:00<tmk>the video::Frequencies perl module for ivtv has all the euro channels and such
18:00<sfr>vektor: ok, a bit of guessing now: every channel has a freqid field which i think maps to the frequencies list tmk mentioned. (like SE9 E12 and so on)
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18:01<RGi>parameterless "use IO" deprecated at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/XML/Writer.pm
18:02<RGi>that isnt a good line when I start mythfilldatabase right ?
18:02<vektor>sfr: Sure if it had that info, that would be acceptable. I have some output from an australian user that has an "xmltv compatible" output, and it only gives: <channel id="C28.ebroadcast.com.au"><display-name lang="en">SBS</display-name></channel>
18:02<vektor>sfr: And that's it :)
18:02<vektor>sfr: So, I was just wondering if that's normal or what.
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18:03<michal__>is the matrox g400 - g550 the best card for proper synced tv out?
18:03<vektor>Cause I can't map from SBS to anything, and I don't think I'm supposed to parse that C28.ebroadcast.com.au part, but maybe I am.
18:03<michal__>oi!!
18:03<michal__>"g'day"
18:03<tmk>i think just the g400 has support
18:03<sfr>vektor: sorry, its late over here. what do you mean by normal?
18:03<tmk>and i hear it's tricky to setup, but good quality
18:04<tmk>but i don't know everything, and don't run a g4xx
18:04<sfr>vektor: i guess xmltv doesn't care about frequencies, that's left to you.
18:04<michal__>tmk: read that the g400 has full specs, but that the g400 - g550 work almost exactly the same.. with the g450 amd g550 having a couple of extra features
18:04<vektor>sfr: Well that's what I want to know I guess, how does MythTV do it, but I guess you don't know.
18:05<sfr>tmk: Hey no false accusations, please. :) I got it working so it can't be that bad.
18:05<vektor>michal_: If you're writing a program that requires output to an interlaced device, I would recommend the G400 or G450 or G550.
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18:05<sfr>vektor: not really :)
18:05<vektor>michal_: If you're trying to use a program like mythtv though, you should look more into how it works and stuff.
18:05<michal__>vektor: i specifically want to take advantage of the scart rgb out capability..
18:05<vektor>michal_: The nice TV output driver for the matrox cards is in DirectFB based on some leaked source code.
18:05<vektor>Yeah, I'm pretty sure the DirectFB driver supports that.
18:06<vektor>I don't think MythTV will work with DirectFB though :)
18:06<michal__>it does.. i read up on it last night
18:06<michal__>that would be a secondary step
18:06<michal__>first i want to get the best possible hardware
18:06<michal__>then i want to make the software work with it
18:07<michal__>vektor: what sort of setuo do you have?
18:07<michal__>setup
18:07<Chutt>vektor, qt/directfb
18:08<Chutt>and, the channel id field in xmltv is just an internal id
18:08<Chutt>the first display name is a human readable name
18:08<Chutt>and the second display name, if it exists is the tuneable channel number
18:08<Chutt>if it doesn't exist, you have to ask the user
18:08<michal__>i can't really play with mythtv properly yet as i don't require the environment it provides, AND I don't have the sort of hardware that it needs. at least not all in the same computer
18:09<michal__>but i'm still interested in getting it going.. at least to see what it's like
18:09<michal__>vektor: btw.. the xml tv grabbing script for au is still pretty broken.
18:09<vektor>michal_: ah, thanks.
18:10<vektor>Chutt: Ok, that's exactly what I wanted to know, thanks.
18:10<michal__>it mis-parses a lot
18:10<michal__>or makes incorrect assumptions
18:10<Chutt>vektor, that's _only_ true with 0.5.15 and newer
18:10<Chutt>older versions were different
18:10<vektor>fuckers
18:10<michal__>bbl.. breakfast
18:10<Chutt>and the source of much annoyance on my part
18:11<Chutt>ed avis, the main xmltv guy, finally subscribed to my mailing list
18:11<Chutt>guess he realized that most problems are asked about there before on the actual xmltv lists =)
18:14<RGi>Chutt, : how is the support on Norway/sweden on xlmtv ?
18:14<o_cee>RGi: it's good
18:14<o_cee>www.dagenstv.com
18:14<o_cee>grabs from there
18:14<o_cee>works like a charm for me
18:14<Chutt>i don't really know about anything other than _na
18:14<RGi>good =)
18:14<RGi>o_cee, from norway ?
18:15<o_cee>swe
18:15<RGi>ahh.. okay
18:15<o_cee>and you're a norweigian "gutt"?
18:16<RGi>yapp =)
18:16<o_cee>;)
18:16<RGi>fuck.. I just get errors on this... ARG
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18:19<RGi>hmm..
18:19<RGi>have you had any other Norwegians had problem with xmltv ?
18:29<o_cee>thinking about doing a theme for myth..
18:29<o_cee>maybe.. the default is nice, but it could be even cooler :)
18:31<o_cee>http://www.deviantart.com/view/2826775/ <-- mayb that kind of style?
18:32<sfr>rkulagow: ?
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18:47<o_cee>alot of icons that is needed for a theme
18:47<o_cee>alot of icons needed for a theme..
18:47<o_cee>ops
18:48<o_cee>:)
18:49<thor_>o_cee, myth will use defaults if it doesn't find theme-specific icons ... you can build it out gradually
18:50<o_cee>yeah.. but it's a huge project to make a icon based theme
18:50<o_cee>like the default
18:51<thor_>a journey of a thousand miles begins with one step =)
18:51<o_cee>hehehhe
18:51<o_cee>true
18:51<o_cee>:)
18:52<tmk>yeah, one step to the car
18:52<tmk>then a lot of sitting
18:52<sfr>tmk: Buh!
18:52<tmk>:)
18:53<michal__>anyone here actually have a matrox card? i'm having trouble finding out which oone is the overall best under linux
18:53* sfr raises hand
18:54<michal__>it looks pretty much like a competition between the g450 and the g550 .. i don't really know what the pros and cons of either are though
18:54<o_cee>did anything happen with the discussion about animations in the themes?
18:55<thor_>o_cee, expected overhead of alpha blending over and/or under an animation was regarded as just too computationally expensive
18:55<sfr>michal___ i only have a g400/marvel-g400, don't know about the later cards. use google.
18:55<tmk>http://www.poptix.net/ivtv/Jul-2003/msg00368.html
18:56<tmk>see that thread for g400 tv-out setup
18:56<o_cee>thor: but at the menus nothing is actually done? except maybe recording, but that's the backend anyway..
18:56<michal__>ok.. thanks. but does anyone anywhere mention the differences between the different models of these cards?
18:57<tmk>i don't think anything past the 400 is supported
18:57<tmk>unless matrox wrote drivers themselves
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18:57<thor_>o_cee, yup ... but do you want to explain to users that they have jitters in their recording because of animated buttons and backgrounds ?
18:57<tmk>ask vektor
18:57<o_cee>tmk: the rev1 pvr250, that has the same chip as the 350.. is it possible to use the better chip somehow?
18:57<michal__>i don't think the g400 supports scart rgb out
18:57<tmk>o_cee: perhaps someday
18:57<tmk>but not for now
18:58<sfr>tmk, michal__: afaik there are fb drivers for the later models in the kernel.
18:58<o_cee>thor: well.. stupid users..
18:58<o_cee>tmk: okay..
18:58<o_cee>got one of those big cards :)
18:59<tmk>big cards?
18:59<o_cee>the rev1 is bigger then the rev2 i think? no?
19:00<tmk>dunno
19:00<tmk>i have a 250r1 and a 350
19:00<o_cee>think it is. asked a friend to measure one, and the one i got was bigger then that
19:00<o_cee>aren't they about the same size?
19:00<tmk>mine seem the same
19:00<tmk>haven't really looked though
19:00<tmk>my box is plenty big for 2
19:01<o_cee>mine isn't :) built it myself.. gotta rebuild it a little..
19:01<o_cee>and finish it up.. bah.
19:03<michal__>i wonder if there is any advantage with going with a g550 over a g450
19:06<michal__>my problem is that i WANT a g450 but the g550 is much more common, and cheaper
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19:09<michal>i wish tvtime worked with budget dvb cards :\
19:10<michal>looks like a great app.. i love the interface
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19:22<mecraw>I'm looking at the ToggleInputs functionality (hitting 'C' while watching TV), and it's checking for an empty string in the inputTuneTo array, but I doesn't look like it could ever be empty
19:23<mecraw>the query that fills that info puts "Undefined" in there if it empty in the database
19:26<mecraw>When I have a composite input plugged into my pvr and hit 'C' it stops at each of the other 4 composite inputs even though they don't have video sources defined
19:26<mecraw>anyone else see this too?
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19:29<tmk>i think it cycles through all available video inputs
19:29<tmk>attached or not
19:29<tmk>cause you may have a direct-in
19:30<tmk>and no channel-list should be on them
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19:31<mecraw>right, but i want to deactivate the 4 "phantom" composite inputs, since there is really only one physical composite input
19:35<tmk>you could disable them in the ivtv soruces
19:35<tmk>not sure if there's any way to mask them in myth
19:35<tmk>if it's a database entry, maybe
19:35<tmk>but i have a feeling it's probed on startup
19:35<tmk>chutt?
19:43<tmk>does the 'del' key work in the setup program for inputs
19:43<tmk>ie to delete the input from being used
19:43* tmk grabs at straws
19:43<tmk>i'll bbl
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19:52<michal>i wish budget dvb cards provided /dev/video :\
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20:12<michal>is there any way to emulate /dev/video on a budget dvb card?
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20:17<michal>seems like bttv based cards are the only ones worth having :\
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22:50<monkeyBox>Sweet! I just got minimyth to work on my EPIA-M board :) :) :)
22:50<monkeyBox>Although I can't get it to read the boot file for some reason, so I have to type in kernel params manually...
22:51<monkeyBox>still awesome though
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23:02<dsotm>im having some trouble with initial setup
23:02<dsotm>im using the debs
23:02<dsotm>and it keeps dying on the database package
23:02<dsotm>tried docs, and i cant seem to find what i need to know
23:02<dsotm>anyone got a clue to hit me with?
23:03<hadees>i am getting some wierd errors when i try to use lirc
23:04<hadees>i run irw and it just stops with no errors, so looked at the log
23:04<hadees>and this is what i got
23:04<hadees>could not open /dev/lirc
23:04<hadees>irman_init(): Connection timed out
23:04<hadees>caught signal
23:06<hadees>anyone seen an error like this before?
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23:21<dwmurphy>i've got some specific info regarding my audio problems.. anyone wanna try to help?
23:22<hadees>if you figure out why my lirc doesn't work
23:22<hadees>i'll help you out
23:22<hadees>to the best of my ablity
23:22<dwmurphy>heh
23:22<dwmurphy>fair 'nuff
23:23<hadees>when i run irw
23:23<dwmurphy>ok.. if i plug headphones into my *rear* line out, i can watch tv in a way that demonstrates that it is being digitized, etc. (i.e. the sound pauses when the video stutters)
23:24<hadees>i get errors in my /var/log/lircd
23:24<hadees>could not open /dev/lirc
23:24<hadees>irman_init(): Connection timed out
23:25<monkeyBox>wow.. booted into X in 45 seconds.. not bad :)
23:25<hadees>caught signal
23:25<dwmurphy>does /dev/lirc exist?
23:25<hadees>yup
23:25<dwmurphy>is lircd running?
23:26<hadees>yup
23:26<dwmurphy>monkeyBox: cheer :)
23:27<dwmurphy>hadees: what card do you have?
23:27<hadees>you mean what irc reciver?
23:27<hadees>irman
23:27<monkeyBox>still can't get my keyboard to work though... this minimyth distro doesn;t have kernel loggin :p
23:28<dwmurphy>monkeyBox: doh! does it have serial consoles?
23:28<monkeyBox>I can telnet into it
23:28<dwmurphy>hadess: what card does that run on?
23:28<hadees>what do you mean by card?
23:28<monkeyBox>dwmurphy: actually, the keyboard works until X loads... hmm.
23:28<hadees>you mean the irman chipset?
23:29<dwmurphy>monkeyBox: itneresting...
23:29<dwmurphy>hadess: what capture card are you running?
23:30<hadees>oh pvr250 but that shouldn't have anything to do with lirc, should it?
23:30<dwmurphy>hadees: the setup is different from one card to another. my winfast wasn't too bad. which version of lirc are you using?
23:31<hadees>0.6.6
23:31<dwmurphy>try getting the lastest cvs snapshot from their site. i needed to
23:31<dwmurphy>http://lirc.sourceforge.net/software/snapshots/
23:38<hadees>i installed the latest lirc same damn error
23:42<dwmurphy>pre2?
23:42<dwmurphy>i don't have a pvr250, so i'm not sure. sec.
23:44<dwmurphy>http://pvrhw.goldfish.org/tiki-page.php?pageName=rh9pvr250#lirc
23:45<monkeyBox>Is there anything in the XFree85 configuration that would keep me from using a keyboard?
23:46<hadees>hey /dev/lircd doesn't point to anything yet /dev/lirc points to the serial device
23:46<hadees>should /dev/lircd point to somthing?
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23:51<dwmurphy>my /dev/lircd down't point to anything
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23:51<dwmurphy>neither does my /dev/lirc, but i think that has to do with the type of remote.
23:52<dwmurphy>are you sure that serial port isn't bneing used?
23:54<hadees>how could it be being used if it is the only thing attached
23:56<dwmurphy>serial consoles or mice can user a serial device
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