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02:13<thor_>Chutt, seem to be some decent patches flowing in. Sorry I've been a bit absent recently (real work). MythBurn is moving ... but very slowly ....
02:17<CaCtus491>MythBurn, that sounds interesting :)
02:17<thor_>it's coming ... albeit slowly
02:18<CaCtus491>What does it burn?
02:19<thor_>Hmmm .... discs
02:19<CaCtus491>lol, to cd or dvd or both?
02:20<thor_>at this point .... nothing
02:20<thor_>(code is a mess)
02:20<thor_>soon CDs
02:20<thor_>later, those versatile thingyies
02:24<CaCtus491>ahh, well, sounds promising, looking forward to it!
02:25<tmk>i want a button that makes svcd's of my stuff :)
02:26<thor_>tmk, yeah ... well ... the mtd is doing the transcoding
02:26<thor_>but still ....
02:27<thor_>there's something very un-mythical about software to **remove** content from your "mythical" convergence box
02:28<tmk>:)
02:28<tmk>well i wouldnt have to if storage wasn't finite
02:28<CaCtus491>Is there currently a way to record something when watching live tv? ie, I'm watching a show and an interesting segment comes that I want to keep for someone else, but its a short segment and by the time I exit go to start an instant recording it would already be halfway through
02:29<thor_>not a gui way
02:29<thor_>you could always hand copy the .nuv ring buffer somewhere
02:30<CaCtus491>yeah, unfortunately I could but the non techie people who are going to be using it.
02:31<CaCtus491>I'd really like to contribute to this project, but still in the process of getting a decent setup going
02:31<thor_>the code is not that complicated ... even I understand most of it
02:32<thor_>tmk, you still in BC?
02:32<CaCtus491>one of my main interests it to extend mythgallery a bit
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02:33<thor_>CaCtus491, MythGallery is in desperate need of day to day ownership
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02:34<CaCtus491>I'd love to see features suchs as a nice web interface + ordering prints through ppl like fotowire
02:35<CaCtus491>but it looks like it will have to wait a bit until I can arrange a bit of time
02:37<tmk>bc?
02:38<thor_>tmk, sorry .. I have youy confused with someone else ....
02:39<thor_>CaCtus49, if you want it to work better ... then ....
02:42<CaCtus491>thor_: yup, I understand that for sure and I have every intention to... need to brush up on C++ a bit first :)
02:43<CaCtus491>is there any list as to who is actively working on what atm?
02:43<CaCtus491>up until you just mentioned it, I had no idea that there was a mythburn in progress
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02:45<thor_>CaCtus491, this irc channel is the most effective guide ... it's open source, after all ...
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02:46<CaCtus491>ahh, the joys of working on open source :)
02:46<CaCtus491>btw, this irc channel is also hard to find... (well, atleast before the recent post to the list)
02:47<CaCtus491>...I think I saw it at the end of one of the README files for one of the modules
02:47<thor_>I think that's vaguely by design\
02:47<CaCtus491>yeah, I was thinking that, so it stays more of a development thing rather than a help chan?
02:47<thor_>hopefully
02:48<thor_>no cultural bias against newbies, just a bandwidth thing
03:03<jarodwilson>thor_, I promised you some feedback on mythmusic by the end of this past weekend... I haven't forgot, just had an unexpected funeral to deal with...
03:04<jarodwilson>I still plan to, but its been a far more hectic week than anticipated...
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03:06<thor_>jarodwilson, no biggie
03:06<jarodwilson>I actually took some time to play with it this afternoon (0.11 release version though)
03:07<jarodwilson>Better than I remembered, but very sluggish
03:07<jarodwilson>Of course, all 10k songs are on a network share, contributing to the matter
03:07<thor_>hmmmm ....
03:08<thor_>hey ... post your problems ... at worst they'll be ignored
03:08<jarodwilson>I tried to edit a playlist while in play mode, then hit escape to get back to the play screen, and there was about a 10 second pause with no feeback and no control
03:08<jarodwilson>:)
03:09<jarodwilson>I probably should limit the bitching until I try the cvs version...
03:09<thor_>mythmusic has not changed much (if at all) between 0.11 and cvs
03:10<jarodwilson>Oh yeah, last time I had a remote only. Now I have a Gyration keyboard. It makes navigating my song tree MUCH faster
03:10<jarodwilson>Ah.
03:10<CaCtus491>mythmusic? heh, one problem I had was I made a typo in the music storge location so that it was pointing to a nonexistant directory... Myth segfaults rather than politely saying that the path doesn't exist :)
03:10<jarodwilson>I think it took about 30 minutes to scan in my entire collection, the first minute or two with zero feedback
03:10<thor_>CaCtus491, yeah, that's an issue ...
03:11<jarodwilson>thor_, just to clarify, was the "has not changed much" a license to bitch now then? :)
03:11<thor_>yup
03:11<thor_>bitch away
03:11<jarodwilson>Though I was supposed to be focusing more on UI, I think...
03:12<CaCtus491>I really like some of the visualisations in mythmusic
03:12<jarodwilson>I really like feeding my amp via coax digital...
03:13<thor_>Mythmusic is a bastardization of code
03:13<thor_>Chutt wrote most of it very quickly
03:13<thor_>I have tried to clean things a bit
03:13<thor_>but it is still a bad piece of code
03:14<jarodwilson>Hey, doesn't xmms have optional lirc support? I should look at how it does things...
03:14<jarodwilson>The more I poke through the source code, things are coming back to me...
03:15<jarodwilson>I used to know how to do some programming, just never had any practical application for it...
03:15<thor_>xmms source, or myth source ?
03:15<jarodwilson>myth
03:15<CaCtus491>can the volume be adjusted from within mythmusic, or can songs be deleted from the disk?
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03:15<jarodwilson>I wonder if rhytmbox has any sort of lirc support in the works...
03:16<thor_>CaCtus491, yes and no
03:16<jarodwilson>er, rhythmbox
03:17<jarodwilson>What I'm trying to envision is an interface like that of rhythmbox, and you hit a key to move from section to section of the UI. You select something within a section, hit another key, and a contextual menu pops up
03:17<thor_>despite the degree of hodge-podging, MythMusic is still a great user-level experience
03:18<thor_>jarodwilson, from play, then 3, then what is the limitation ?
03:18<jarodwilson>Select your library from the playlist section, switch to the song list for the library, select the song (or songs) you're after, hit a key to get a menu of what to do w/the song
03:19<jarodwilson>the switching of screens bugs me, I thin
03:19<jarodwilson>k
03:19<thor_>you do have ShowWholeTree on?
03:19<jarodwilson>I like everything on one screen
03:19<jarodwilson>Probably not...
03:19<jarodwilson>Forgot to look into that...
03:19<thor_>hmmmm
03:19<thor_>do that
03:20<jarodwilson>uno momento, por favor...
03:20<thor_>up, down, left, right, and select everything in your possesion
03:21<thor_>..... while jarod is fiddling, I'm going out for a smoke ...
03:22<CaCtus491>what keys are used to skip to the next / previous song?
03:26<jarodwilson>cripes... gotta wait another week for the music database to fill...
03:26<jarodwilson>(I'm on a different frontend than before)
03:28<thor_>CaCtus491, up/down to selection, then enter (to move to any arbitrary song). To just get to the next one in the list, PageDown.
03:29<CaCtus491>ahh, thanks
03:30<CaCtus491>is there any reason for key differences between mythtv and mythmusic? ie, volume uses different keys, ff / rw, etc?
03:31<thor_>The idea is that PageDown (and, btw, PageUp) will be mapped to Next/Prev keys on a standard remote layout
03:44<jarodwilson>19%...
03:49<CaCtus491>wow, that does take a while :)
03:50<jarodwilson>now 22%...
03:50<jarodwilson>yep
03:51<thor_>jarodwilson, hmmm ... all mp3's ?
03:51<jarodwilson>no, a mix of mp3 and ogg
03:51<jarodwilson>oh, and a few aac
03:51<thor_>ahhh
03:52<thor_>have no idea what mmusic will do with acc
03:52<thor_>probably puke
03:52<jarodwilson>Perhaps this is a contributing factor to some of my sluggishness?
03:53<thor_>aac's ... maybe (?)
03:53<thor_>mp3 for sure
03:54<thor_>mythmusic was designed to like ogg and hate mp3
03:54<jarodwilson>mp3 slows it down?
03:54<jarodwilson>aha.
03:54<jarodwilson>Of the 10,000 songs, I'd wager a guess at least 80% are mp3.
03:54<thor_>mp3 is not an open standard
03:54<CaCtus491>heh
03:54<jarodwilson>I know. But its what I got. :)
03:54<CaCtus491>does ogg play in wpm?
03:54<CaCtus491>err, wmp even
03:55<jarodwilson>Oh, and iTunes doesn't work very well w/ogg.
03:55<thor_>ogg is open, install the software and it will play
03:55<jarodwilson>Just the opposite problem as MM. Very quick w/mp3 and aac, slow as all hell w/ogg
03:55<jarodwilson>The quicktime ogg plugin is relative crap.
03:56<thor_>this is the same reason that mythdvd wants to sub-xvid for divx
03:56<jarodwilson>It works, but it is very slow. Reading tags and starting playback takes WAY more time than mp3/aac
03:56<thor_>yes ... but it will get faster
03:57<thor_>and you'll get to keep your files
03:57<jarodwilson>which, the ogg plug for quicktime, or the mp3 playback for MM?
03:57<thor_>both
03:57<thor_>your liberties
03:58<jarodwilson>And aac?
03:58<jarodwilson>In particular, the aac files from the iTunes music store, which have playback protection...
03:58<thor_>Play 'em if you've got 'em
03:59<thor_>but that's drm nonsense
03:59<jarodwilson>I have yet to try them on anything but a Mac, which prompts for authorization
03:59<jarodwilson>yep
03:59<jarodwilson>I can always burn them out to CD, then re-rip them, but I'd rather not.
03:59<thor_>stupid,
03:59<thor_>... stupid ...,
04:00<thor_>and, even stupid, ...
04:00<jarodwilson>It was the only way Apple could get record labels to let them sell songs.
04:00<jarodwilson>Compared to some proposed methods, their drm is very liberal.
04:00<jarodwilson>But it still sucks. :)
04:00<thor_>it was the only way Apple could bullshit the labels that they has a "DRM" mechanism in place
04:01<jarodwilson>31% scanned in...
04:01<jarodwilson>So when you said MM was designed to hate mp3, do you mean it is deliberately slower w/mp3 than ogg?
04:02<thor_>yup
04:02<thor_>but not cause we hate mp3's
04:02<thor_>just cause the ogg/vorbis lib is easy
04:02<jarodwilson>ah
04:03<thor_>(the ogg file format tells you where to read the playing length. With mp3, you need to actually play the file)
04:05<jarodwilson>So are you saying when I'm scanning in songs, if I want to know how long each is ahead of time, they all have to be played a bit before the track time can be determined?
04:06<thor_>If they're oggs, you need to just load the header (plus a wee bit).
04:06<thor_>If they're mp3's, you need to "play" the whole track
04:07<jarodwilson>Which of course, takes much more time, processing, data reading, etc. Huh.
04:07<thor_>Yup
04:08<thor_>MythMusic tries to be efficient if it looks like the file is Constant Bit Rate
04:12<jarodwilson>And of course, most of the mp3 rips I've done myself are HQ-VBR
04:12<jarodwilson>42%
04:14<thor_>MP3 VBR is insanely stupid .... there is no way to know how long a rip is unless you play it ...
04:15<thor_>which means, "this is a meta-content standard which knows nothing about meta-data"
04:18<jarodwilson>If I'm not mistaken, Apple takes certain liberties with the tags...
04:18<jarodwilson>And puts the track length in a tag
04:18<thor_>Yup ....
04:18<thor_>but that's not information
04:19<thor_>it's opinion
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04:19<jarodwilson>Opinion? How do you mean?
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04:20<jarodwilson>51%
04:20<thor_>jarodwilson, Apple can assert track length in a field
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04:20<jarodwilson>But it might not be right is what you're saying?
04:20<thor_>yup
04:21<jarodwilson>gotcha
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04:21<jarodwilson>But that info is somehow retained in ogg file header
04:21<thor_>ogg is vastly superior to mp3
04:22<jarodwilson>I know.
04:22<jarodwilson>And I wish Apple would get off their asses and support it better...
04:22<jarodwilson>But wait!!! What about WMA!!!
04:22<jarodwilson>(jarod immediately gets kicked)
04:23* thor_ thinks copyright is fucked
04:23* thor_ is not sure that's a bad thing
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04:28<jarodwilson>ah, snort is such fun...
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04:33<jarodwilson>Can't believe the number of IIS exploit propagation attempts... Okay, yes I can...
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04:37<jarodwilson>later all, time for me to sleep...
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04:53* reza_ looks around
04:54<reza_>anyone up?
04:55<o_cee\zZz>a little
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04:55<o_cee>trying to get some work done
05:03<reza_>work on myth or on work?
05:03<o_cee>work :(
05:03<reza_>i'm having wired issues with gdb... when the external change channel command gets called, gdb gets confused
05:03<o_cee>or studies to be more specific
05:03<reza_>know anything about it
05:03<reza_>what are you studying?
05:03<o_cee>never used it
05:04<o_cee>java at the moment
05:04<reza_>and why is my cvs update taking soo long?
05:04<reza_>java sucks
05:04<reza_>a lot
05:04<o_cee>yeeesh, me knows that
05:04<o_cee>but alot of it is very similar to c++
05:04<o_cee>wich i will be reading later on
05:04<reza_>of what i know, i like the following langs in order "perl, C, python, java"..
05:04<reza_>just picked up a book on C++, but it's easy enough to follow the code
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05:22<o_cee>CaCtus491: here?
05:22<CaCtus491>yup
05:22<CaCtus491>for a little bit
05:23<o_cee>you said you wanted to do stuff on mythgallery?
05:23<KikoV>has somebody a epia m9000 working with mythtv?
05:24<CaCtus491>o_cee: yeah, but not right now, in a few wks
05:24<o_cee>CaCtus491: we had some discussion before about it.. thumbcache needs a better inplementation, and fade/wipe isn't even read from the database as far as i can see
05:24<o_cee>okay
05:24<o_cee>you could put those on your todo if you hadn't noticed them yourself ;)
05:26<CaCtus491>to tell you the truth, I haven't really played with mythgallery much yet, basically installed it and that's it :)
05:26<CaCtus491>but, yeah, will look into it as soon as I get time
05:27<o_cee>great. what i mean with the thumbcache is that it would be nice to keep the thumbs locally if the drive is a network drive (could just be an option "Keep thumbs locally in: ")
05:27<o_cee>and the SlideshowTransition will probably be very easy to get there, just gotta read som Qt docs
05:28<o_cee>someone must have forgotten it
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05:39* ay says hi.
05:40<ay>I get router loops on my way to mythtv-cvs.
05:41<ay>border5.ge3-2.speakeasy-28.chg.pnap.net and fe2-0.spk-1-chi.speakeasy.net does some funky stuff.
05:41<KikoV>cvs up
05:41<KikoV>cvs [update aborted]: connect to cvs.mythtv.org(66.93.11.148):2401 failed: No route to host
05:41* ay would love to get his hands on mythnews (using to i develop my own little plugin)
05:42<ay>KikoV: Right you are.
05:42<ay>The original ftp-server for mythtnews seems down as well.
05:42<choenig>ay: if you like, I can send you a fresh co
05:43<ay>choenig: Thanks. That will do :-)
05:43<choenig>ok
05:43<KikoV>traceroute 66.93.11.148 -> let's see
05:43<ay>KikoV: Probably the loop i mentioned.
05:44<ay>choenig: ay@linpro.no if you need a email-address.
05:44<KikoV>22 border5.ge3-2.speakeasy-28.chg.pnap.net (64.94.35.212) 187.930 ms 187.922 ms 350.107 ms
05:44<choenig>ok, just have to start my mythbox
05:44<ay>It isn't on 24/7? :-)
05:46<choenig>ay: mail is on its way
05:46<choenig>ay: the server should be available 24/7
05:47* ay doesn't use the server.
05:47* ay does not have any tv-cards.
05:48<ay>Only running the frontend (and i run the backend on the same machine since some plugins live better with a database)
05:48<ay>choenig: Thanks!
05:48<choenig>ah, ay, you meant my mythbox? no, its not running 24/7
05:49<choenig>but it powers up and down when needed to record and stuff
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05:52<o_cee>me has gotta fix that as well..
05:52<o_cee>haven't had time yet
05:55<choenig>o_cee: fix what?
05:56<o_cee>choenig: automatik start/shutdown
05:56<choenig>I hope I get my patch to issac within the next two weeks
05:56<o_cee>with that stuff?
05:57<choenig>yepp
05:57<o_cee>nice :) but the pita is to get the bios settings
05:57<choenig>I don't use bios w/u here, I use my 24/7 router to wakeup the box using wol
05:58<choenig>but the patch is fully configurable and lets you decide the way to go
05:59<o_cee>oh.. hmm, too bad i ain't using freesco anymore. got a dsl/router thingie.
06:02<choenig>I use wol since my mobo isn't supported by the w/u tools I know of
06:02<ay>Argh. Compiling on the xbox is painfull.
06:03<ay>loopback on a fatx-partition...
06:04<o_cee>choenig: yeah, i'll have to look into that.. what tools are there?
06:06<choenig>nvram-wakeup.sf.net and http://www.malloc.de/tools/wakeup_clock.html
06:06<choenig>but the 2nd one only supports a handful mobos
06:10<o_cee>doesn't seem to exist for my mobo..
06:11<o_cee>at least not that specific mb
06:11<choenig>nvram-w/u has some neat detection stuff
06:12<o_cee>i think i tried that but failed.. will have to redo it i guess. was alot of rebooting :)
06:13<choenig>hehe, same here
06:17<reza_>hey, does anyone know how to use sockets within QT -- but local/unix sockets, not tcp sockets?
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08:04<o_cee>cvs dead :/
08:09<reza_>great
08:09<reza_>i spend the past 3 hours working on adding somewhat native lirc support to myth only to find it's already there...
08:09<reza_>is this a new thing?
08:18<jkolb>Looks like the first native lirc support went in Aug 4.
08:19<reza_>is this only to receive text, or are they going to add support to change channels?
08:20<jkolb>I haven't played with it, but I think it's just support so you don't need irxevent.
08:23<dja>reza_: so far it's only to receive IR -- note that if you're using mythvideo or mythdvd, you still need irxevent (as a matter of fact, I turned native lirc back off since many of the keys used by mplayer overlap with myth)
08:28<ay>Mpfp.
08:29<ay>All the mythcomponentes (mythvideo,mythgallery/mythtmusic) should be able to read files from several locations.
08:29<ay>Is that possible now?
08:29<o_cee>don't think so
08:29<ay>I have my videos in several different directories.
08:29<o_cee>would be nice indeed
08:29<ay>locally on the xbox, on two differnt samba/nfsd shares..
08:30<ay>Hm. Routing on the internet is really fucket up today.
08:30<jkolb>You can fake it for now by making your root dir, then symlinking to each of the video dirs.
08:31<ay>Will mythvideo take subdirs?
08:31<jkolb>Yeah. All of my videos are in a nice hierarchy.
08:31<ay>Might be that everybody is updating their cisco's.
08:31<ay>(they use openssh...)
08:31<ay>mail.sourceforge.net is also down.
08:32<ay>cvs here is down because of a routerloop.
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08:56<_rkulagow>chutt: please sync docs.
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09:10<ZeoTherm>Can I put forward a question that may have been answered a lot of times?
09:11<ZeoTherm>I just updated myth to v0.11, and I updated my ivtv drivers to the latest CVS. Now when I try and browse the program guide, the backend segfaults. I saw this reported a few times in a developer forum, but I never saw a fix for it. Any suggestions?
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09:23<ZeoTherm>I guess no one is here, I'll try back another time.
09:26<_rkulagow>chutt: CVS down?
09:28<dja>Chutt isn't on...I'm wondering if he's having network problems...:-)
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11:14<_rkulagow>chutt: can you sync docs please?
11:17<Chutt>yeah
11:17<Chutt>few minutes
11:17<Chutt>just got back online
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11:19<monkeyBox>I'm curious, what's the purpose of the "oldrecorded" table?
11:19<Chutt>grep for it in the source.
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11:44<Chutt>rkulagow, the docs are in the process of uploading
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12:11<monkeyBox>I'm trying to figure out what some of the extra .nuv files are doing in my recording dir... I just want to check, are the filenames in the format of chanid_starttime_endtime.nuv ??
12:11<kja>jup
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12:19<KikoV>has anybody tested the mythbrowser plugin?
12:37<kja>Chutt, did you move the cvs-server? It feels better...
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12:54<kja>TheWildgoose: you mentioned in a mail that channel changing was a slight bit slower in the lates releases, how so? much difference?
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13:42<_rkulagow>chutt: i edited the qmake.conf file and blanked out "strip". i'm rebuilding now to see if that in combo with the glibc repackage puts mandrake 9.2 on the "distros that don't fuck up threads and/or backtraces"
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14:01<RGi>fuck.. I think I going to kill someone !!! this fucking myth install shit is driving me crazy !
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14:02<steelep>yes, the installer should come with a warning label :-)
14:02<sfr>RGi: but that's not likely to give you a working myth installation neither.
14:03<RGi>sfr : nah.. I know.. to bad =/
14:04<RGi>anyone got any working systems with PVR350 and lirc installed ?
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14:06<monkeyBox>if I have .nuv files that don't exist anywhere in the DB is it safe to assume that I can delete them?
14:09<RGi>do I have to use mysql 3.xxx ? or does it work with mysql 4 to ?
14:10<mecraw_>RGi: mysql 4 should be fine
14:10<sfr>RGi: v4 works fine here
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14:10<RGi>hmm strange that this doesnt work..
14:16<RGi>what is the latest debian ver. ?
14:17<sfr>RGi: apt-cache show mysql-server will tell you if you have an up-to-date package listing
14:18<sfr>RGi: it's 4.0.14-1
14:18<RGi>sfr : using slackware now.. thinking of trying debian..
14:21<RGi>I just wont this myth thigie to go straight in and work.. hehe =D I dont have the patience for this in and out with moduels and stuff like that.. hehe =)
14:22<RGi>anyone here that this worked for at the first install ?? =)
14:25<RGi>is should be a iso image that you just burned on a CD and it started an install.. installing everything like it should... working.... =)
14:27<sfr>did you check out this knoppixmyth ?
14:27<RGi>nah ?
14:29<sfr>don't know the details, check the list archives for more. it should come close to what you want.
14:31<RGi>hmm okay...
14:42<tmk>RGi: i have a pvr350 + myth
14:43<Chutt>rkulagow, not fully there, but better
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14:45<_rkulagow>chutt: what's missing? symbols in pthread/glibc?
14:48<Chutt>check out threads 5 and 6
14:49<RGi>tmk : oh.. take an image of your system an send it to me!! =D
14:51<tmk>haha
14:52<RGi>I`m so tierd of not geting this to work =(
14:53<tmk>what's missing
14:54<_rkulagow>tmk: was that towards me/chutt?
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14:57<tmk>rk: nah that was for rgi
14:57<_rkulagow>chutt: there's a mandrake glibc-debug that i can install since it appears that threads 5 and 6 have to do with libc.
14:57<_rkulagow>let me see what that breaks.
14:57<_rkulagow>:)
14:58<_rkulagow>tmk: ok.
15:02<_rkulagow>hrmm. ok, so now i have a /usr/lib/debug where libc is 18MB instead of 1.2MB. what's the magic word to have that libc used rather than the one in /lib?
15:03<_rkulagow>(actually, that's semi-rhetorical while i search around...)
15:04<monkeyBox>Is there such thing as a TV tuner that can replace a Digital-Cable box, such as the ones given by Time-Warner Digital Cable or Cox Digital Cable ?
15:04<_rkulagow>for digital channels (>125), no. there's no digital cable standard yet.
15:05<monkeyBox>So for now we'd have to use an ir-blaster, correct?
15:05<_rkulagow>you'll have to go analog out the set top box into your capture card.
15:05<_rkulagow>ir-blaster or serial control of the STB, yes.
15:05<monkeyBox>I wonder, does the OSD on the STB interfere with MythTV's OSD? is there a way to turn off the STB's OSD?
15:06<monkeyBox>I guess it probably depends on the STB maker...
15:06<_rkulagow>that depends on the STB. check avsforum, or google around a bit.
15:07<monkeyBox>avsforum? ok.. thanks :)
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15:07<[DOA]Tarkie>evenin all
15:07<[DOA]Tarkie>anyone having segv's with the current CVS of mythvideo?
15:08<[DOA]Tarkie>specificaly when selecting 'browse video's'?
15:08<_rkulagow>have you run it in GDB? "getting a segfault" isn't particularly helpful.
15:09<[DOA]Tarkie>yeah i know, im just recompiling now
15:09<[DOA]Tarkie>how do i execute the plugin as a binary?
15:09<RGi>tmk : everything... printingt out the manual now.. and reading EVERYTHING as I do it..
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16:20<SmellyCat>has cvs been done today?
16:20<SmellyCat>Its my first attempt to use it and it hangs at the password
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16:25<[DOA]Tarkie>ive used it ok today
16:26<SmellyCat>What is the correct procedure? I used:
16:26<SmellyCat>export CVSROOT=:pserver:mythtv@mythtv.org:/var/lib/cvs
16:26<SmellyCat>telephone-event/from
16:26<SmellyCat>cvs login mythtv
16:26<SmellyCat>(ignore telephone part)
16:26<Chutt>why don't you use the information that's in the documentation, instead of making stuff up?
16:26<[DOA]Tarkie>good point tbh, the documentation for the CVS is spot on
16:27<SmellyCat>I found this stuff in the gosammer archive
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16:28<[DOA]Tarkie>private message smellycat
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16:45<o_cee>i was recording 24 today, and it was a tad delayed.. only had 240s (4 minutes) delay, but it stopped after 2 minutes? what's up with that? i've got the time synced with ntp, so it's right on..
16:45<o_cee>it didn't record the last minute or so :(
16:47<[DOA]Tarkie>series 2 or 3?
16:47<o_cee>ah well, bumped it up, but i thought it was prettty straaange
16:47<o_cee>2
16:47<o_cee>first episode
16:48<[DOA]Tarkie>ah
16:48<o_cee>we're a bit late her eyou know
16:48<[DOA]Tarkie>im still watching season 1 on DVD
16:48<[DOA]Tarkie>im upto 16:00 :)
16:48<o_cee>but i saw the problem now. the listning says it should have ended at 9:55.. ended 10:03.. bad listning and delay.. dammit
16:48<o_cee>it's great, i have it on dvd as well
16:49<o_cee>missed the first season
16:49<[DOA]Tarkie>eep!
16:49<o_cee>9:00 24 9:55.. next program starts at 10.. right, that make sense
16:50<o_cee>anyway, bmped up the settings, shouldn't happen again
16:50<[DOA]Tarkie>do you set it to prerecord, and overrecord?
16:50<[DOA]Tarkie>ah
16:50<[DOA]Tarkie>good
16:50<o_cee>yeah
16:50<o_cee>but 4 minutes wasn't enough
16:50<[DOA]Tarkie>happens
16:50<[DOA]Tarkie>season 2, first episode, last 5 mins?
16:50<[DOA]Tarkie>hmmmmmm
16:50<[DOA]Tarkie>is that where he dies?
16:50* [DOA]Tarkie ponders.
16:51<o_cee>hahah
16:51<o_cee>we wheren't delayed when watching, so i missed like 30 seconds max
16:52<[DOA]Tarkie>how did you put your channel info in mythtv?
16:52<_rkulagow>fuck. lirc hasn't worked for a while, and it's always been annoying me, since there wasn't a good reason. now i know. running a self-compiled version to support the hauppauge remote. included the i2c 2.8.0 patch. still nothing. turns out that mandrake cooker installs lirc modules as a part of the kernel whether or not you install lirc. and since they get installed "higher up" in /usr/lib, they over-ride the ones that lirc install
16:52<o_cee>[DOA]Tarkie: ??
16:52<_rkulagow>and they're the 0.6.6 version, not 0.7.0pre.
16:52<[DOA]Tarkie>i've managed to watch TV, live, using mplayer
16:52<_rkulagow>stupid mandrake.
16:53<[DOA]Tarkie>but i cant get my head around how i put the channels in
16:53<o_cee>uh, mythfilldatabase??
16:53<[DOA]Tarkie>i believe, in the UK, you have to edit the database?
16:53<o_cee>mythfilldatabase --manual
16:53<o_cee>rtm
16:53<[DOA]Tarkie>could never get that to work
16:54<[DOA]Tarkie>comes up with grabbing data using tv_grab_uk_rt is not verified as working.....
16:54<[DOA]Tarkie>its not in the manual
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16:55<o_cee>install myphpadmin and enter it manually
16:55<[DOA]Tarkie>hmm
16:55<[DOA]Tarkie>good idea!
16:55<[DOA]Tarkie>:P
16:55<tmk>anyone have a good solution for tv programs that run long
16:55<tmk>like overtime sports etc
16:56<o_cee>hmm
16:56<o_cee>not really, no, don't think so
16:56<lmatter>tmk, always record the show that comes after :-)
16:56<o_cee>set the recordpast to an hour :)
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17:02<tmk>heh
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17:04<o_cee>there should be a complete manual recording.. like on a vcr
17:05<o_cee>and a way to copy the things in the ringbuffer if you decided you wanted something recorded after you started watching it.. would be very useful
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17:09<o_cee>night all, time to get some sleep
17:09<monkeyBox>Does anyone here have the Via EPIA-M 1GHz board?
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17:13<tdb30_>anyone here ever seen the coolermaster atc-620c0bx1 in person?
17:16<monkeyBox>you mean the ATC-620c ?
17:17<monkeyBox>I know CompUSA has them
17:17<tdb30_>this one is a desktop black low profile ish case
17:18<tdb30_>yeah thats probably the one
17:18<tdb30_>I was wondering if anyone saw what they realy looked like vs the pictures on the net.
17:19<monkeyBox>It basically looks like the picture...
17:19<monkeyBox>I think I'd be more proned to buying a mini-itx platform for a HTPC
17:19<[DOA]Tarkie>are they any good, as im about to order one
17:20<monkeyBox>[DOA]Tarkie: I just got the VIA EPIA-M...
17:20<monkeyBox>and a Morex Cubid 3688
17:20<[DOA]Tarkie>i mean the coolmaster case
17:20<monkeyBox>oh.. haven't tried the coolermaster case...
17:20<lmatter>monkeyBox: how do you like the 3688?
17:20<tdb30_>I just want a little more slots for adding additional tuners possible.
17:21<monkeyBox>hi lmatter :) yeah I like it.. the case fan is louder than I expected, though I may be able to just not use it since I have no drives...
17:21<monkeyBox>but it's dead-sexy..
17:22<lmatter>monkeyBox: Yeah, it looks nice in the photos. The fans that came with my 2688 suck. I had to replace them.
17:22<lmatter>monkeyBox: I've heard that morex fans are not good.
17:22<monkeyBox>yeah, maybe I'll replace mine too...
17:22<monkeyBox>lmatter: do you know much about the 6-ch sound on the EPIA-M board?? can you output to a spdif surround sound system?
17:24<lmatter>monkeyBox: We should prolly take this over to #epia
17:24<lmatter>monkeyBox: But I heard that you can get spdif working with alsa. I just use cheap headphones :-0
17:26<monkeyBox>heh.. cool.. didn't know #epia existed :-\xDE
17:28<Chutt>just use one of the via supported distributions for now, if you want to use the hardware decoder.
17:29<lmatter>Chutt: Any significant changes for CLE266 after sep 5th?
17:29<Chutt>nope
17:29<lmatter>Chutt: I grabbed CVS after your "Scatch That" announcement.
17:29<Chutt>works pretty well
17:30<Chutt>i may have sped up the osd slightly
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17:30<tmk>sup chutt
17:30<Chutt>hey
17:30<lmatter>Chutt: ok, thanks. I'm getting lots of screen corruption.
17:30<Chutt>what's it look like?
17:31<lmatter>Chutt: mostly grey flickering. I could kinda see the channel logo flashing around the screen. Some green on the bottom.
17:31<Chutt>no video?
17:32<tmk>are you watching scrambled cable? :P
17:33<monkeyBox>hehe.. spanktravision
17:33<lmatter>Heh, yeah, kinda reminded me of that:-) Like the first scene in American Pie.
17:33<monkeyBox>haha... sock..
17:33<Chutt>does normal xv output work?
17:34<lmatter>Chutt: you mean if I don't compile with hwslice?
17:34<Chutt>yeah
17:35<lmatter>dunno. I'll try tonight. I just got the driver this morning. Kinda slammed it together before work.
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17:35<Chutt>i got really bad video corruption when i tried it with the via v4l kernel patch that doesn't work
17:37<tmk>heh
17:38<lmatter>Which one does not work (is there a version number)?
17:39<Chutt>i dunno
17:39<Chutt>i'd just get the vexp stuff working first, before going on to mythtv
17:40<tmk>monkeybox: how much was the 3688
17:40<lmatter>Chutt: yeah. I started working on that this morning. Kind of a pain as I have to "cross compile" for minimyth
17:41<Chutt>i didn't buy one of those cases because i didn't want to pay shittons of money for a laptop dvd drive =)
17:41<tmk>err nevermind, doesn't have a full-height pci slot
17:41<tmk>ack they dont take standard drives?
17:41<lmatter>who needs a harddrive :-)
17:41<tmk>i don't
17:41<tmk>but i do need a pci slot
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17:42<Chutt>you need a _bigass_ pci slot, too, for the -350 =)
17:47<tdb30_>I thought the prv-350 wasn't fully supported in linux yet
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17:51<tmk>heh
17:51<tmk>it is
17:51<tmk>80% supported i suppose
17:51<tmk>tv-out works
17:51<tmk>just the osd stuff is still broken
17:51<tdb30_>osd?
17:52<tmk>onscreen display
17:52<tmk>Chutt: you see that half-height card some guy posted to the ivtv list?
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17:52<tmk>looks neat
17:52<tmk>i emailed the mfgr to see if i could get specs
17:52<tmk>and maybe a sample ;)
17:52<monkeyBox>half-height card?
17:53<tmk>yeah half-height pci card based on the conexant chip
17:53<tmk>aka pvr250-rev2
17:55<Chutt>yeah
17:55<monkeyBox>tmk what date was that msg posted?
17:56<monkeyBox>or rather the subj..
17:58<monkeyBox>nm found it
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18:13<tmk>anyone have opinions on these:http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage.asp?image=11-180-018-01.jpg/11-180-018-02.jpg/11-180-018-03.jpg/11-180-018-05.jpg/11-180-018-06.jpg/11-180-018-04.jpg/11-180-018-07.jpg
18:14<SmellyCat>ugly?
18:15<SmellyCat>where are the drive bays?
18:17<tmk>just one, in the front
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18:21<SmellyCat>Its expensive - but my favorite looking case is: http://www.digitalconnection.com/Products/Cases/ht200.asp
18:26<tdb30_>is that an lcd on the front?
18:26<[DOA]Tarkie>anyone any good with stack traces?
18:28<SmellyCat>Yes, a VFD display - its included
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18:44<tmk>that's a big honkin case
18:45<[DOA]Tarkie>in the channel table of the database, what is freqid, the channel freqency number, ie 22-69, or the frequency in hz?
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19:03<mattfelsen>does anyone have any suggested universal ir receivers?
19:03<mattfelsen>should i go for an irman?
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19:10<tdb30_>pick up a soldering iron and build your own :)
19:11<mattfelsen>eh
19:12<tdb30_>its not that hard. There are schematics at www.lirc.org
19:12<tdb30_>If you look on that site you may find links to someone selling them
19:12<tdb30_>Anyone know how well the all in wonder cards are supported? I was thinking of maybe getting one.
19:23<mattfelsen>they're like $30
19:23<mattfelsen>...
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20:04<tmk>i think the aiw cards have issues
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20:04<steelep>they work fine for output
20:05<steelep>I have on in my system
20:05<steelep>can't capture though
20:05<tmk>i'd call that 'issues' :)
20:06<steelep>you bet, but I don't care about analog capture anyway :)
20:07<Chutt>http://www.periapsis.org/bookcase/
20:07<Chutt>yay, someone's started a book db program
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20:36<ben_>anyone here using an epia board for capture?
20:36<ben_>im thinking mjpeg.
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20:41<tmk>they never stay long enough
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20:50<bbeattie>thor: ??
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20:53<ChamPro>hi all
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20:59<ChamPro>when anyone has a chance I just have a question about installing MythTV (with most of the bells and whistles) with RPMs in Mandrake
21:03<[DOA]Tarkie>just ask away, you might not get a response straight away
21:03<ChamPro>okay...
21:03<ChamPro>I'm still relatively new to Linux and the whole RPM thing
21:04<ChamPro>I have all the packages I think I need for MythTV downloaded and I wasn't sure the best way to install them
21:04<[DOA]Tarkie>which version of mandrake?
21:04<ChamPro>I tried adding the downloads folder to Mandrake's software manager.....9.1
21:05<ChamPro>and that worked, but I still got a lot of dependency errors
21:05<ChamPro>a lot of unexpected dependencies
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21:06<[DOA]Tarkie>can you give an example of the dependencies?
21:06<ChamPro>some PERL ones and ....I guess I should try it again and get more specifics....
21:07<[DOA]Tarkie>there are some PERL packages required for some of the software that mythtv uses
21:07<ChamPro>I downloaded everything off of thac's site
21:07<ChamPro>http://rpm.nyvalls.se/graphics9.1.html everything except the SRC packages
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21:09<[DOA]Tarkie>when you say there are a *lot* of unexpected dependencies, how many is a lot?
21:09<ChamPro>12 or 15
21:09<ChamPro>and my update source didn't have them
21:10<ChamPro>and Mandrake didn't request them either
21:11<[DOA]Tarkie>i would get a list tbh, and then pop back to see if they are unusual
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21:11<ChamProX>I'll try it again them
21:11<[DOA]Tarkie>as 12 - 15 rpm dependencies doesnt sound massive
21:11<[DOA]Tarkie>i remember i had to get some wiered perl dependencies when i built
21:11<[DOA]Tarkie>but i am using rh, not mandrake
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21:13<[DOA]Tarkie>i think, in the end, i needed most of these packages, so dont be surprise if your asked for any of these
21:13<[DOA]Tarkie>http://atrpms.physik.fu-berlin.de/dist/rh9/
21:13<[DOA]Tarkie>but they are rh9 ones
21:16<ChamProX>divxdecore and divxencore are 2 that it requests
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21:17<tmk>chutt: will you have a few minutes to spare tonight?
21:19<ChamProX>libdivxdecore.so.0 and libdivxencore.so.0 to be exact
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21:30<ChamProX>trying to change my sources in urpmi....that might help
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21:46<ChamProNix>putting the PLF as a source seems okay...installing all those crazy packages now
21:46<ChamProNix>win32-codecs-1.4-2plf.i586.rpm hmmmm
21:46<ChamProNix>big package
21:54<ChamProNix>transcode is a huge package too
21:58<ChamProNix>DARN IT....libcdaudio1, libcdaudio.so.1, xmltv, mpich, mpicc, mpic++, mpif77, libmpich.so.1.0, and libquicktime.so.0
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21:59<bbeattie>thor: around?
22:00<bbeattie>*is pretty sure he is*
22:01<bbeattie>thor: I'm having problems getting AC3 audio after I've riped a dvd. Basically what I see is I rip with ac3, and when I play it through xine, I only get pro logic, not the digital stream, and idea why? (DVD playback in xine with ac3/dd/dts works.
22:04<bbeattie>thor: ahh, it's working, but it's DD, not DTS.. odd.
22:04<bbeattie>the dvd has DD and DTS, but I selected the DTS track... any idea on if you can stat a file for DD vs DTS in it?
22:05<tmk>thor isn't in the channel
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22:06<bbeattie>should I not msg him then?
22:06<tmk>well, you shouldn't expect a response :)
22:15<bbeattie>wrong thor :)
22:15<bbeattie>imposter..
22:16<bbeattie>.. has anyone done dvdriping and ac3 encoding at that?
22:16<tmk>hmm the fb crashes fast :)
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22:43<TheAsp>Couldn't find a matching decoder for: /data2/mythtv/1039_20030918220000_20030918223000.nuv
22:45<TheAsp>anyway i can view that?
22:46<tmk>if you convert it
22:47<tmk>mailing list archives will tell you all you need to know
22:47<TheAsp>what sorta date range?
22:48<TheAsp>oh, lonng time ago
22:48<TheAsp>weird
22:49<TheAsp>hmm
22:49<TheAsp>no reply ;P
22:51<tmk>look for nuvexport
22:52<TheAsp>so why cant i play that file?
22:53<tmk>it's in nuppelvideo format
22:53<TheAsp>well, why is it and none of my others?
22:53<TheAsp>:)
22:53<TheAsp>well, arnt they all in nupple?
22:53<tmk>sure
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22:54<robbie>anyone seen thor ?
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22:55<TheAsp>tmk: you do realize it is myth giving me that error, right?
22:55<tmk>nay
22:55<tmk>file's probably corrupt
22:56<TheAsp>shittay.
22:56<tmk>how big is it
22:56<TheAsp>4.3g
22:56<TheAsp>should only be like 1
22:56* tmk shrugs
22:56<TheAsp>this gives me alot of confidence in this build :)
22:58<TheAsp>ahwell
22:58<TheAsp>night
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