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| 00:29 | <Chutt> | why are people on my list so dumb? |
| 00:29 | <rkulagow> | everyone's been drinking dumb juice? |
| 00:30 | <Chutt> | like the guy that's insisting that there's only one directory for video storage and the live tv buffer |
| 00:30 | <rkulagow> | that must be one of the 800 messages i haven't read yet. |
| 00:31 | <Chutt> | try 6 or 7 messages about it |
| 00:35 | <hadees> | Chutt: i would have to say it is because there are only 3 options for a real htpc, freevo, myhtpc and mythtv |
| 00:35 | <hadees> | mythtv is the best so you get alot of windows folks trying to use linux |
| 00:35 | <hadees> | which they don't understand |
| 00:36 | <hadees> | or you could blame it on sun spots |
| 00:36 | <hadees> | either or |
| 00:37 | <Cloak> | 5 points to the sun spots |
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| 01:33 | <thor_> | ugh |
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| 01:53 | <tmk> | any epia users in here? |
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| 02:14 | <Chutt> | tmk, hi |
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| 02:43 | <thor_> | tmk, power supply? |
| 02:51 | <tmk> | thor: eh? |
| 02:51 | <tmk> | sup chutt |
| 02:52 | <tmk> | i just powered on my epia |
| 02:52 | <tmk> | at first it didn't work |
| 02:52 | <tmk> | now it turns on |
| 02:52 | <tmk> | but nothing to screen |
| 02:52 | <tmk> | and noise like a helicopter out the headphone jack |
| 02:56 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 02:56 | <Chutt> | never heard of anything like that before |
| 02:57 | <tmk> | could be bad ram i guess |
| 02:57 | <tmk> | but it's' brand new |
| 02:57 | <tmk> | just out of the bag today |
| 02:57 | <Chutt> | power supply? |
| 02:58 | <thor_> | tmk, power supply |
| 02:58 | <tmk> | dunno |
| 02:58 | <tmk> | the fan spins |
| 02:58 | <thor_> | heh |
| 02:58 | <tmk> | on the cpu |
| 02:58 | <Chutt> | i'd try it with another power supply |
| 02:58 | <tmk> | yeah i guess that's the next plan |
| 02:58 | <tmk> | i really need it to work with this one though |
| 02:58 | <thor_> | tmk, 12 volt mobo? |
| 02:58 | <tmk> | since i've already cut the case to fit it |
| 02:58 | <tmk> | it's a epia-m |
| 02:58 | <thor_> | sorry, 12 volt dc |
| 02:59 | <thor_> | with the dc-ac daughter board? |
| 02:59 | <tmk> | no |
| 02:59 | <thor_> | ah |
| 02:59 | <tmk> | it's this one: http://www.directron.com/hec200srt.html |
| 03:00 | <thor_> | you get no POST on startup? |
| 03:01 | <thor_> | not even beeps? |
| 03:01 | <tmk> | like i said. no beeps - noise like a helicopter |
| 03:01 | <tmk> | thwup thwup thwup |
| 03:01 | <tmk> | fast |
| 03:01 | <thor_> | hmmmmm |
| 03:01 | <tmk> | constant also.. no breaks or anything |
| 03:02 | <Chutt> | it's either the board or power supply |
| 03:02 | <thor_> | yup |
| 03:02 | <Chutt> | bad ram would let it post |
| 03:02 | <Chutt> | well, at least it'd get to it =) |
| 03:02 | <thor_> | sure you have video plugged into the right place? |
| 03:03 | <tmk> | the vga port? |
| 03:03 | <thor_> | yup |
| 03:03 | <tmk> | yeah |
| 03:03 | <Chutt> | bed time for me |
| 03:03 | <tmk> | nite |
| 03:03 | <thor_> | night Chutt |
| 03:03 | <tmk> | the vga is on-board |
| 03:03 | <thor_> | right |
| 03:03 | <Chutt> | should be easy to rule out the power supply, though |
| 03:03 | <tmk> | yeaha |
| 03:03 | <tmk> | i just need to dig anohter one up |
| 03:03 | <thor_> | yup |
| 03:04 | <thor_> | this the Via Arena contest board? |
| 03:05 | <tmk> | aye |
| 03:05 | <thor_> | mine worked fine ... I could send it to you ... |
| 03:06 | <thor_> | (it's been gathering dust since they sent it to me) |
| 03:07 | <tmk> | well i think it's a bit early for that |
| 03:07 | <tmk> | how did you mount it? |
| 03:07 | <tmk> | metal screws? or plastic standoffs |
| 03:07 | <thor_> | mine came in a case |
| 03:07 | <thor_> | (lower powered) |
| 03:08 | <thor_> | nice little machine |
| 03:09 | <tmk> | cool |
| 03:09 | <tmk> | i built a machine around this one |
| 03:09 | <thor_> | SolarPC branded .... part of that vague effort to do a Linux-based VIA set top box before anyone realizes that an EPIA 500 won't decode a DVD |
| 03:09 | <tmk> | but it seems dead |
| 03:10 | <tmk> | heh |
| 03:10 | <tmk> | just add a pvr350! |
| 03:10 | <thor_> | yup |
| 03:10 | <thor_> | anyway .... |
| 03:10 | <thor_> | if you need the mobo, just send me your address |
| 03:11 | <thor_> | (also, PCI riser port, but no riser) |
| 03:11 | <thor_> | and no HD |
| 03:12 | <thor_> | seems to me, though |
| 03:12 | <thor_> | ... |
| 03:12 | <tmk> | i have a riser card |
| 03:12 | <thor_> | ah |
| 03:12 | <tmk> | and everything really |
| 03:12 | <tmk> | just the mobo doesn't work right now |
| 03:12 | <tmk> | i bought a slot-dvd even :) |
| 03:12 | <thor_> | hmmmm |
| 03:13 | <thor_> | dvd might pop the power supply |
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| 03:13 | <thor_> | .... sorry .. should explain .... |
| 03:13 | <thor_> | they sent me a 500 in a case |
| 03:13 | <thor_> | with a DV inverter |
| 03:13 | <tmk> | ah |
| 03:13 | <thor_> | and no AC unit |
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| 03:14 | <thor_> | I got it working with an AC unit from Crap Shack |
| 03:14 | <thor_> | anyway, if you want the mobo and/or the case, just send me an e-mail (whatever@lamedomainname.com) |
| 03:15 | <thor_> | the ivtv driver works far too well for me to argue about postage |
| 03:16 | <tmk> | :) |
| 03:16 | <tmk> | i'll let you know |
| 03:16 | <thor_> | cool |
| 03:16 | <tmk> | does it have sp/dif out? |
| 03:16 | <tmk> | err s/pdif |
| 03:17 | <thor_> | in principal, yes ... |
| 03:17 | <thor_> | I plopped in an old Fujitsu drive to check things |
| 03:17 | <thor_> | (laptop drive, low power) |
| 03:17 | <thor_> | and most everything seemed to be fine |
| 03:18 | <thor_> | but I did not wire it up to a 5.1 receiver |
| 03:20 | <mechou> | hey Chutt, don't mean to ask a stupid question, but what does the function findAllProgramsToRecord supposed to do? Enumerate all programs that are scheduled to record? |
| 03:21 | | * thor_ thinks mechou is still pissed off he's missing local programming .... |
| 03:22 | <mechou> | hehe, you got me all figured out. To bad Chutt went to bed.... |
| 03:23 | <thor_> | mechou, you just need to phrase your question with exact technical precision ... and then Chutt will be happy to answer it |
| 03:24 | <mechou> | hmm, my question doesn't have enough technical precision? Can you suggest an improvement? |
| 03:24 | <thor_> | well .... |
| 03:25 | <thor_> | should findAllProgramsToRecord() actually find all programs to record? |
| 03:25 | <thor_> | or not ? |
| 03:25 | <thor_> | dunno |
| 03:26 | <mechou> | ok, but I don't really think that's any more precise than what I stated.... |
| 03:26 | <thor_> | no ... but I'm not hoping for a response |
| 03:26 | <thor_> | better to say ... |
| 03:27 | <mechou> | I'm afraid the nuance is lost on me.... |
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| 03:27 | <thor_> | ... if findAllProgramsToRecord() is supposed to find all programs to record, the I think in line x .... |
| 03:27 | <mechou> | Is my question too confrontational? |
| 03:28 | <thor_> | no |
| 03:28 | <thor_> | not precise enough |
| 03:28 | <thor_> | you said, what is some function supposed to do? |
| 03:29 | <mechou> | My question was supposed to just "get the converstion started," with the same follow-up as you just suggested.... |
| 03:29 | <thor_> | I know |
| 03:29 | <thor_> | .... |
| 03:29 | <thor_> | I'm being a bit pedantic .... |
| 03:29 | <mechou> | I still think the sql quey is fubar.... |
| 03:29 | <thor_> | and I apologize |
| 03:30 | <mechou> | s/quey/query |
| 03:30 | <thor_> | yeah, the SQL stuff in that function block is inhuman |
| 03:30 | <thor_> | but the onus isn't on Chutt |
| 03:30 | <thor_> | it's on you |
| 03:31 | <thor_> | to say ... hey, this it too mixed up |
| 03:31 | <thor_> | and here's why |
| 03:31 | <mechou> | correct, and I want to know what line 9 of that query means..... |
| 03:31 | <thor_> | and here's how it could be better |
| 03:31 | <thor_> | I dunno |
| 03:32 | <mechou> | hopefull Chutt can explain that one for me.... |
| 03:32 | <thor_> | no |
| 03:32 | <thor_> | wrong attitude |
| 03:32 | <thor_> | ... |
| 03:32 | <thor_> | I know |
| 03:32 | <thor_> | ... it's nice to have access to a piece of code that works well |
| 03:33 | <mechou> | wrong attitude?? I'm no expert on sql, just asking Chutt for a little help is considred wrong attitude? |
| 03:33 | <thor_> | ... |
| 03:33 | <thor_> | well |
| 03:34 | <mechou> | thor_: In order to provide a fix I have to understand what's going on first.... |
| 03:34 | <thor_> | ... it could well be that Chutt has no idea how that code block works |
| 03:34 | <thor_> | he may not have written it |
| 03:34 | <thor_> | he may have written it |
| 03:34 | <thor_> | ... and forgotten it |
| 03:35 | <thor_> | ... small point .... |
| 03:35 | <thor_> | but important |
| 03:35 | <thor_> | ... |
| 03:35 | <mechou> | and that would be fine, he can point me to someone who "owns" the code, or at least someone who can give me a quick run-by.... |
| 03:35 | <thor_> | ... no .... |
| 03:36 | <thor_> | it may well be that nobody owns it |
| 03:36 | <thor_> | ... |
| 03:36 | <thor_> | hang |
| 03:36 | <thor_> | on |
| 03:36 | <thor_> | ... let me me back up a sec ... |
| 03:36 | <thor_> | open source, lots of contributors, etc., etc. |
| 03:37 | <thor_> | Chutt is really smart |
| 03:37 | <thor_> | but code comes in from all over the place |
| 03:37 | <mechou> | anyway, why are we discussing this (kissin' ass) instead of working on the problem? |
| 03:38 | <thor_> | the point is not to say, "AH HAAA .... here's where it breaks!" |
| 03:38 | <thor_> | the point is to say, "Ah HAAA ... I think this is why it breaks!" |
| 03:38 | <mechou> | no, I'm sorry if you think I'm coming across that way, but that isn't where I'm coming from. |
| 03:39 | <mechou> | It's more like: here's what I think what's goiung on, can you confirm? |
| 03:39 | <thor_> | slippery slope |
| 03:40 | <thor_> | anyway ... I've had only a few hours sleep and am not really making much sense .... |
| 03:40 | <mechou> | more eyeballs on the code....Don't see why this would be slippery. It's how code gets worked out everywhere I've worked. Intel & HP |
| 03:41 | <thor_> | yup |
| 03:41 | <thor_> | you are right |
| 03:41 | <thor_> | .... sorry |
| 03:41 | <thor_> | I'll get off the high horse now |
| 03:41 | <thor_> | what's the problem? |
| 03:42 | <thor_> | (oh crap, you're going going to give me an internal join) |
| 03:42 | <mechou> | thor_, where you around earlier on this channel, say 12 hrs ago? |
| 03:42 | <mechou> | s/where/were |
| 03:42 | <mechou> | right, u got it.... |
| 03:42 | <thor_> | yup, on the educational channel thing? |
| 03:43 | <mechou> | right. |
| 03:43 | <thor_> | you get anywhere on looking at the sql code? |
| 03:44 | <mechou> | well, that's the thing. Piping that query into mysql does *not* return all scheduled recordings...... |
| 03:44 | <mechou> | so, not being an expert in sql, need some little guidance.... |
| 03:45 | <mechou> | and I was hoping that's where Chutt can come in.... |
| 03:46 | <thor_> | so ... |
| 03:46 | <mechou> | who knows, maybe I'm piping the query wrong.... |
| 03:46 | <mechou> | more eyeballs... |
| 03:46 | <thor_> | yeah ... |
| 03:47 | <mechou> | but so far no one on this channel can explain it.... |
| 03:47 | <thor_> | the basic problem is still recording stuff on a channel that Myth doesn't really understand, yes? |
| 03:47 | <thor_> | ... ie no xmltv data ... |
| 03:48 | <mechou> | well, not quite right. It has xmltv data, just "generic." "Eduactional Programming" randomly parsed into 2-3 hr. blocks.... |
| 03:49 | <thor_> | ok |
| 03:49 | <thor_> | but no "semantic" understanding |
| 03:49 | <mechou> | right... |
| 03:49 | <thor_> | good |
| 03:50 | <thor_> | so ... not a simple problem to solve .... |
| 03:50 | <mechou> | in other words, program.title!=recod.title in DB |
| 03:50 | <thor_> | well, one level above that |
| 03:50 | <mechou> | s/recod/record |
| 03:50 | <thor_> | yeah |
| 03:51 | <thor_> | the terrible answer, it would seem ... is that you have to get into that SQL code and inject a reason why it should do something |
| 03:51 | <thor_> | ... which is really, *really* hard ... |
| 03:52 | <mechou> | hmm, don't undrstand what you're saying? |
| 03:52 | <mechou> | get into sql code and inject reason?? |
| 03:52 | <thor_> | Chutt's code knows what to do when it is presented with XMLTV alternatives |
| 03:53 | <thor_> | you need to give it another clause |
| 03:53 | <thor_> | ... |
| 03:53 | <thor_> | when program.title="my program" and .... |
| 03:53 | <thor_> | which is hard |
| 03:54 | <mechou> | we need a special case for manual record (or more specifically, manual record where record.title != program title) |
| 03:55 | <thor_> | for your (and, presumably other's) purposes, you need a way to inject a non-XMLTV overide |
| 03:55 | <mechou> | don't see why this would be hard as you suggest....pretty much just another join if I figure it right.... |
| 03:56 | <mechou> | thor, I don't think you understand, there is xml data for the channel I'm talking about. Or maybe I just dont understand what u're saying? |
| 03:57 | <thor_> | but the xmltv data does not specify the program |
| 03:57 | <thor_> | yes or no? |
| 03:57 | <thor_> | (hang on for 3 minutes, I need to pee) |
| 03:58 | <mechou> | yes it does. Pretend that the xml data programming info is "wrong," inthe sense title and timeslots dont "line up." |
| 04:00 | <thor_> | eh? |
| 04:01 | <thor_> | you have programming data, but it's wrong? |
| 04:01 | <mechou> | what eh? |
| 04:01 | <thor_> | what miracle where you expecting? |
| 04:01 | <thor_> | were |
| 04:03 | <mechou> | virtually everything program title on that channel is "Educational Programming." I think you need more sleep. Think about it. Isn't that a good reason to use manual recording as "override?" |
| 04:04 | <mechou> | when the xmltv info is "wrong." |
| 04:05 | <mechou> | it's not really wrong, it just has no "match-up" to what I'm manually recording.... |
| 04:05 | <thor_> | to the extent that you think I need more sleep, I can almost guarantee that you are correct |
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| 04:05 | <thor_> | but what are you trying to make Myth do? |
| 04:06 | <mechou> | sigh.... |
| 04:06 | <mechou> | I'm recording some coursework on the educational channel via myth. |
| 04:06 | <thor_> | there is a field that is "Educational Programming" |
| 04:06 | <thor_> | yes? |
| 04:07 | <mechou> | yes, where field == program.title in DB.. |
| 04:07 | <thor_> | ok |
| 04:07 | <mechou> | who's on first? |
| 04:07 | <thor_> | who |
| 04:07 | <thor_> | (hehe) |
| 04:09 | <mechou> | so, u understand what I'm talking about now? |
| 04:09 | <mechou> | at least the basic problem, (not the solution) |
| 04:09 | <thor_> | and you want Myth to say, when the field (that is, when program.title) == "Educational Programming", I should do .... what ... ? |
| 04:10 | <mechou> | thor, have u ever scheduled a manaul record in myth? |
| 04:10 | <thor_> | yes |
| 04:10 | <thor_> | .... |
| 04:11 | <mechou> | you get to assign your own title, correct? |
| 04:11 | <thor_> | yup .... but it's still a function of XMLTV data |
| 04:12 | <thor_> | sorry to keep bringing that up |
| 04:12 | <mechou> | no, not necessarily. The UI allows u to use *any* title |
| 04:12 | <thor_> | the UI might allow it |
| 04:13 | <thor_> | but that's not necessarily true of the programmatic logic .... |
| 04:13 | <thor_> | (don't know) |
| 04:13 | <mechou> | bravo, hence the bug. |
| 04:13 | <thor_> | well, |
| 04:14 | <thor_> | at least I'm up to speed on your problem |
| 04:14 | <thor_> | :-) |
| 04:14 | <thor_> | so .. can I tell Myth to manually record "mechou explains to thor what an idiot he is" ? |
| 04:15 | <mechou> | the title u assign to the manual recording goes to record.title in DB. program.title!=record.title, hence query is fubar. |
| 04:15 | <thor_> | ah ..... |
| 04:15 | <thor_> | ok .... |
| 04:16 | <thor_> | well, |
| 04:16 | <thor_> | .... |
| 04:17 | <thor_> | despite the fact that you definitely would not want to record, ""mechou explains to thor what an idiot he is" more than once |
| 04:17 | <mechou> | hmm, don't know what u mean? |
| 04:17 | <thor_> | ah ah |
| 04:17 | <mechou> | who's the idiot now? |
| 04:18 | <thor_> | still me |
| 04:18 | <mechou> | :) |
| 04:18 | <thor_> | so.... |
| 04:19 | <thor_> | when the recording engine kicks in (every minute or so) |
| 04:19 | <thor_> | it never launches a recording |
| 04:19 | <thor_> | (in your story) |
| 04:19 | <thor_> | ... because .... |
| 04:19 | <mechou> | well, I haven't checked that part of the code.... |
| 04:20 | <mechou> | recording engine. |
| 04:20 | <thor_> | there's a bit of myth backend |
| 04:20 | <mechou> | I don't think myth queries the DB every minute. |
| 04:21 | <thor_> | that checks the database every minute or so |
| 04:21 | <thor_> | to look for changes |
| 04:21 | <mechou> | correct, settings.dbchanged field in db |
| 04:21 | <thor_> | sound right |
| 04:22 | <thor_> | sounds |
| 04:22 | <mechou> | but it certainly doesn't do the original query I'm talking about. |
| 04:22 | <thor_> | nope |
| 04:22 | <mechou> | every miniute |
| 04:22 | <thor_> | nope |
| 04:23 | <thor_> | I still think that what you want to do is operate on sub-XMLTV data |
| 04:24 | <thor_> | XMLTV says a channel is "blah blah" for 12 hours |
| 04:24 | <thor_> | and you want to pull sub-programming out of that |
| 04:24 | <mechou> | nah, that's too much a pita. Get manual record funcyion right, don't ever need to worry about it again.... |
| 04:25 | <thor_> | so ... too be clear, you're saying manual recording is fubar'd? |
| 04:25 | <thor_> | to |
| 04:26 | <mechou> | only in the specific case when program.title!=record.title, yes... |
| 04:27 | <thor_> | sorry, that is not parsing here .... |
| 04:27 | <mechou> | actually, there's also the the xml timeslot issue. What u man manually want to record may span multiple xmltv timeslot boundaries.... |
| 04:28 | <mechou> | thor_: what doesn't parse? |
| 04:29 | <thor_> | is xmltv is true or it isnt't |
| 04:29 | <thor_> | (this is getting Hegelian) |
| 04:30 | <mechou> | I don't understand why u're so hung up on xmltv. Think about it. Manual record should not have any dependence on xmltv data. You, the user, are providing complete info. |
| 04:30 | <thor_> | nope |
| 04:31 | <thor_> | myth has a lot of logic to work out in any given minute |
| 04:31 | <mechou> | yes, so? |
| 04:31 | <thor_> | program at any time on any channel? |
| 04:31 | <mechou> | this is one of the logic. |
| 04:32 | <thor_> | program at any time on *this* channel ... |
| 04:32 | <thor_> | etc., etc. |
| 04:32 | <mechou> | If a vcr can do it, I'm sure myth would have no trouble :) |
| 04:33 | <thor_> | how many slaves does a VCR have to deal with? |
| 04:33 | <mechou> | number of slaves or tuners have nothing to do with what I'm saying. |
| 04:34 | <thor_> | what does any time on any channel mean to a VCR? |
| 04:34 | <thor_> | what you want to do is say, "during this time on this channel, just do this" |
| 04:35 | <thor_> | but that is an exception to a whole bunch of other possibilities |
| 04:35 | <mechou> | what do you mean any time, any channel? When u set up manual record, u spec. channel, start time, stop time, title, etc. It's not any time, any channel. |
| 04:36 | <thor_> | but it has to be integrated with all the other combinatorial permutations |
| 04:36 | <mechou> | It a specific time at a specif channel. |
| 04:36 | <thor_> | and so is "Seinfeld, no matter what" |
| 04:37 | <mechou> | so, that's conflict resolution. |
| 04:37 | <thor_> | yup, |
| 04:37 | <thor_> | and it's hard |
| 04:37 | <thor_> | that's why that SQL stuff is so damn complicated |
| 04:37 | <mechou> | no, there is conflict resolution module.... |
| 04:38 | <thor_> | hey, this is like the blind leading the blind |
| 04:38 | <thor_> | Chutt wrote the conflict resolution stuff |
| 04:39 | <thor_> | he know what Myth is doing on a TV basis |
| 04:39 | <thor_> | all I'm saying |
| 04:39 | <thor_> | is that if you have a complaint |
| 04:39 | <thor_> | you need to specifically be able to say |
| 04:40 | <thor_> | I told it to do X under constraints of Y |
| 04:40 | <thor_> | and it did Z |
| 04:40 | <thor_> | what's wrong? |
| 04:40 | <mechou> | which is what I just explained to you. |
| 04:41 | <mechou> | did X, under Y, Z happened (or didn't happen) |
| 04:41 | <thor_> | ok, fine, |
| 04:41 | <thor_> | I'm an idiot |
| 04:41 | <thor_> | appeal to Chutt |
| 04:42 | <mechou> | sigh. You going sarcastic on me? |
| 04:42 | <thor_> | hey, |
| 04:42 | <thor_> | I don't have an answer |
| 04:42 | <thor_> | so it's frustrating |
| 04:43 | <thor_> | ... and I need to sleep |
| 04:43 | <mechou> | no, I'd like to think people put there heads together to come up w/ the answer. Rome wasn't built in a day..... |
| 04:43 | <mechou> | s/there their |
| 04:43 | <Octane> | thor did you manage to post? |
| 04:44 | <thor_> | Octane, post what? |
| 04:44 | <Octane> | POST |
| 04:44 | <thor_> | mechou, agreed .... |
| 04:44 | <Octane> | oh it was tmk not you sorry |
| 04:44 | <thor_> | Octane, tmk's POST? |
| 04:44 | <thor_> | nm |
| 04:48 | <thor_> | Hey, I know this is OT, but anyone been to the Dominac Republic? |
| 04:48 | <mechou> | Quoi?? |
| 04:48 | <thor_> | Dominican |
| 04:48 | <thor_> | Que? |
| 04:49 | <thor_> | I need to be there on the 18th (November) for a wedding |
| 04:49 | <mechou> | Why do u ask? You smuggling dope?? |
| 04:50 | <mechou> | make sure u get me some.... |
| 04:50 | <mechou> | hehe |
| 04:50 | <thor_> | He |
| 04:52 | <thor_> | I'm an old man (over 30, married, children, etc.), just looking for a hotel reccomendation .... |
| 04:53 | <mechou> | sorry, can't help u there....best man ought to be able to tell yu, no? |
| 04:53 | <thor_> | Yeah, 'cept I'm the best man |
| 04:53 | <mechou> | oops, u better get on it.... |
| 04:54 | <thor_> | ... crap ... |
| 04:54 | <mechou> | expedia ought to be able to give u suggestions w/ rankings, no? |
| 04:55 | <thor_> | yeah .... I got a bunch of stuff from AMEX travel 3 months ago that I should have dealt with at the time ... |
| 04:56 | <mechou> | thor_: where do you live? |
| 04:56 | <thor_> | execellent question |
| 04:57 | <thor_> | (even if I can't spell excellent) |
| 04:57 | <thor_> | right now, DC |
| 04:58 | <mechou> | heck man, go to the Dominican Republic consulate. They'll set u straight.... |
| 04:58 | <thor_> | mechou, where are you? |
| 04:59 | <mechou> | they'll stuff u so full of the tourist crap it will be coming out ur pants. |
| 04:59 | <mechou> | CA, northern, no fires. |
| 04:59 | <thor_> | I spent a lot of time in the late 1990's in San Francisco |
| 04:59 | <mechou> | well, maybe 5 years ago we had fires. |
| 05:00 | <mechou> | yeah, I'm in Cupertino |
| 05:00 | <thor_> | groovy |
| 05:00 | <thor_> | you know anyone in the Linux IPO realm? |
| 05:00 | <mechou> | thor_, u know, I never lived in SF. That would be cool. |
| 05:01 | <thor_> | (how long have you been there?_ |
| 05:01 | <mechou> | Some. But who's going ipo these days? |
| 05:01 | <mechou> | 10 years |
| 05:01 | <thor_> | hang on .... |
| 05:02 | <thor_> | you lived in Cupertino for 10+ years |
| 05:02 | <thor_> | and you don't know VA people, etc.? |
| 05:02 | <mechou> | no, Cupertino for 3, Sunyyvale, various other palces in South Bay for 7. |
| 05:03 | <thor_> | hmmmm |
| 05:03 | <thor_> | .... |
| 05:03 | <thor_> | tell you what |
| 05:03 | <mechou> | na, I don't follow VA much. Are they still Linux HW, or have they changed? |
| 05:04 | <thor_> | solve the SQL-recording problem that Myth TV has |
| 05:04 | <thor_> | and I'll set up a dinner meeting with the ex-CTO of e-toys (hee hee) |
| 05:04 | <thor_> | and if you solve it well |
| 05:04 | <thor_> | I'll fly out |
| 05:05 | <mechou> | ain't he in Folsom prison :)? |
| 05:05 | <thor_> | have dinner with both of ypu |
| 05:05 | <thor_> | not e-Toys |
| 05:05 | <thor_> | good code |
| 05:06 | <thor_> | in fact, great code, picked up by the VC group |
| 05:06 | <mechou> | crap, maybe I'm getting confused. E-Toys, weren't they busted, or did the just go under? |
| 05:06 | <thor_> | they went **very** bankrupt |
| 05:06 | <thor_> | but early in the collapse |
| 05:07 | <thor_> | when principals could still walk away with a fortune |
| 05:07 | <thor_> | like Torvalds |
| 05:07 | <mechou> | one of the early poster children of the internet bust |
| 05:07 | <mechou> | etoys. |
| 05:07 | <thor_> | yes, |
| 05:08 | <thor_> | but the code was really, really code |
| 05:08 | <thor_> | good |
| 05:08 | <thor_> | anyway, look him up .... |
| 05:08 | <thor_> | Rob Ferber |
| 05:08 | <thor_> | tell him I said hello |
| 05:09 | <mechou> | u know what town he lives? |
| 05:09 | <mechou> | or shoul I ask my VC? |
| 05:09 | <mechou> | or should I ask my VC? |
| 05:09 | <thor_> | he's SF |
| 05:09 | <mechou> | hehe, just joking. |
| 05:09 | <thor_> | or immediately south |
| 05:10 | <thor_> | (around the airport)? |
| 05:10 | <mechou> | where did you work when u lived inb SF? |
| 05:10 | <mechou> | Burlingame? |
| 05:10 | <mechou> | Millbrae? |
| 05:10 | <thor_> | never lived there, was a resident of NYC at the time |
| 05:11 | <mechou> | I grew up in NYC |
| 05:11 | <thor_> | best city on earth |
| 05:11 | <thor_> | bar none |
| 05:11 | <mechou> | yep. All the babes. More models than u can stick a stick at. |
| 05:12 | <mechou> | oops, meant shake :) |
| 05:13 | <thor_> | shake, stick, whatever, wtill NYC |
| 05:13 | <mechou> | Lucy Liu was my classmate. |
| 05:13 | <thor_> | still |
| 05:14 | <thor_> | Village? |
| 05:14 | <mechou> | Naw, I lived in Queens. |
| 05:14 | <mechou> | went to school in Manhattan. |
| 05:15 | <thor_> | Oh, you're "bridge and tunnell" crowd? |
| 05:15 | <thor_> | he |
| 05:15 | <thor_> | je |
| 05:15 | -!- | Netsplit zelazny.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: Octane, nulltank, Justin_, _kch_, hurdel, rkulagow, srl, poo |
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| 05:15 | <thor_> | I'm Canadian |
| 05:15 | <mechou> | yep, that's me. Long Island Railroad saved my ass.... |
| 05:16 | <thor_> | what the hell any company was trying to do to hire me is a complete mystery |
| 05:16 | <mechou> | Where did you work? |
| 05:16 | <thor_> | Now? |
| 05:16 | <mechou> | now & in NYC |
| 05:17 | <mechou> | any part of Canada I would know? |
| 05:17 | <thor_> | When in NYC, at PwC (nice office overlooking Radio City) |
| 05:17 | <thor_> | if you want to see Canada |
| 05:17 | <thor_> | go skiing |
| 05:17 | <mechou> | U're in finance? |
| 05:18 | <thor_> | go to Whistler |
| 05:18 | <thor_> | I'm an entrepreneur at the moment |
| 05:18 | <mechou> | Is that where u're from, so to speak? |
| 05:18 | <thor_> | hard one |
| 05:18 | <thor_> | mostly |
| 05:19 | <thor_> | I speak 5 languages |
| 05:19 | <thor_> | workin on a lot of stuff |
| 05:19 | <mechou> | English, French, Spanish, what othe two, Norweigian? |
| 05:20 | <thor_> | English (good) |
| 05:20 | <thor_> | French (pas mal) |
| 05:20 | <thor_> | Latin (classical) |
| 05:20 | <mechou> | Seriously, what are u working on, that u can share? |
| 05:20 | <thor_> | Arabic (wife) |
| 05:21 | <thor_> | couple of things |
| 05:21 | <thor_> | give me 5 minutes, I need to piss (again) |
| 05:22 | <mechou> | Arabic? U can go work for CIA and FBI :) |
| 05:24 | <thor_> | mechou, I'm not American |
| 05:24 | <mechou> | sheesh, they'll probably take virtually anybody.... |
| 05:24 | <thor_> | nope |
| 05:24 | <mechou> | do you tune in to al'jazeera? |
| 05:24 | <thor_> | I know lots oif expats in DC |
| 05:25 | <thor_> | of Arabic origins |
| 05:25 | <thor_> | good salary |
| 05:25 | <thor_> | good benefits |
| 05:25 | <thor_> | etc |
| 05:26 | <thor_> | but renounce non-US citizenship |
| 05:26 | <thor_> | whatever |
| 05:26 | <thor_> | not my bag |
| 05:26 | <thor_> | nothing for |
| 05:26 | <thor_> | or against' |
| 05:26 | <thor_> | anyway |
| 05:27 | <mechou> | yeah, expect CIA and FBI is too lily white to accept US ciizens of Arabic descent. |
| 05:27 | <thor_> | they will take them |
| 05:27 | <mechou> | according to the latest Newsweek. |
| 05:27 | <thor_> | but they have to give up second citizenship |
| 05:28 | <mechou> | They take tem and chuck them out in a year or so.... |
| 05:28 | <thor_> | what are you up to in Cupetino? |
| 05:28 | <thor_> | Cupertino? |
| 05:28 | <mechou> | Intel. |
| 05:28 | <thor_> | great |
| 05:28 | <thor_> | labs? |
| 05:28 | <mechou> | Microprocessor research.... |
| 05:29 | <thor_> | ok ... fine .... undergrad ... Intel fellow ... whatever ... what are you doing? |
| 05:31 | <mechou> | well, give u a hint. Worked at HP & Intel. Microprossors, can't go into much more than that on a public forum, I'm afraid.... |
| 05:31 | <thor_> | OK |
| 05:31 | <thor_> | fine |
| 05:31 | <thor_> | interesting work? |
| 05:32 | <mechou> | It pays the rent. |
| 05:32 | <mechou> | :) |
| 05:32 | <thor_> | in Cupertino, that's a lot |
| 05:32 | <thor_> | you don't need any hints on mysql then .... |
| 05:32 | <mechou> | Actually, I'm getting too old for research.... |
| 05:33 | <mechou> | sure I do. |
| 05:35 | <thor_> | Seriously, if you're interested in doing something Linux-oriented ... pop me a cv ... and I'll send it along to Rob ... he made way too much money in the e-toys IPO (he was CTO at the time) |
| 05:35 | <thor_> | anyway, you're in the right part of the country .... |
| 05:36 | -!- | MrChook_ [~mca@c210-49-88-138.rochd3.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #mythtv |
| 05:36 | <thor_> | according to slashdot, the geeks are "back in charge!" |
| 05:36 | <mechou> | I don't know, I believe linux is here to stay, but has anyone really figured out a viable long-term business model for linux business? (I'm not talking Redhat) |
| 05:37 | <thor_> | I have no idea |
| 05:37 | <mechou> | What did u do at PwC? |
| 05:37 | <thor_> | I have a PhD in economics, and I have no idea |
| 05:38 | <thor_> | decide where they should but their dot-com money |
| 05:38 | <mechou> | if you were in finance, u probably have enough background in business to figure that out. |
| 05:38 | <thor_> | s/but/put |
| 05:38 | <thor_> | nope |
| 05:38 | <mechou> | economic modeling? |
| 05:38 | <thor_> | crap shoot |
| 05:38 | <thor_> | yup |
| 05:38 | <thor_> | and then some |
| 05:39 | <mechou> | You work with any Physics types while at PwC? |
| 05:39 | <thor_> | nope, but I spent 10 months at the Santa Fe Institute |
| 05:40 | <mechou> | cool. Did you enjoy your residence at Santa Fe Inst.? |
| 05:40 | <thor_> | sublime |
| 05:41 | <thor_> | but not part of practical reality |
| 05:41 | <thor_> | and that's what I spent the 4 years of my life convincing people who wanted to hire me |
| 05:41 | <mechou> | Well, that's what happens when u go to an Institute. |
| 05:42 | <thor_> | hey, you're close to PA |
| 05:42 | <mechou> | Used to live in PA for a while.... |
| 05:42 | <thor_> | sorry, PA = Palo Alto |
| 05:43 | <mechou> | yes, I understood. |
| 05:43 | <thor_> | ah |
| 05:43 | <thor_> | so, go work for Google |
| 05:43 | <thor_> | they're going to do an auction ... it seems |
| 05:44 | <mechou> | Dude, If I wanted to go work at an internet company , I'd probably go to ebay. At least they have a business model I can understand. |
| 05:44 | <mechou> | :) |
| 05:44 | <thor_> | ok |
| 05:44 | <thor_> | hey |
| 05:44 | <thor_> | you're in Cupertino |
| 05:45 | <thor_> | wtf are you up to |
| 05:45 | <mechou> | Google is cool, but they have an IPO already, which means I can't be a robber baron. |
| 05:45 | <thor_> | harumph ... |
| 05:46 | <thor_> | their IPO may be a public auction |
| 05:46 | <mechou> | who, google or ebay? |
| 05:46 | <thor_> | which would be insanely interesting to be a part of |
| 05:46 | <thor_> | google |
| 05:46 | <thor_> | I know the sub-CTO |
| 05:47 | <mechou> | yes, for you economics/game theory types. Not fun for the *participants* |
| 05:47 | <thor_> | ah |
| 05:47 | <thor_> | clever |
| 05:48 | <thor_> | but if the "insiders" know the value of their technology |
| 05:48 | <thor_> | then of value to them |
| 05:48 | <MrChook_> | thor_, you used to work at PwC ? |
| 05:49 | | * MrChook_ works there now |
| 05:50 | <thor_> | MrChook. yup |
| 05:51 | <MrChook_> | cool |
| 05:51 | <thor_> | worst run company I have ever seen (of not many( |
| 05:52 | <thor_> | ) |
| 05:52 | | * MrChook_ grins |
| 05:52 | <thor_> | but they payed me well |
| 05:52 | <MrChook_> | i woulnd't know, I'm just a code monkey 8^) |
| 05:52 | <thor_> | whereabouts? |
| 05:52 | <MrChook_> | brisban |
| 05:52 | <MrChook_> | e |
| 05:52 | <thor_> | AU? |
| 05:52 | <MrChook_> | yup |
| 05:52 | <thor_> | excellent |
| 05:52 | <MrChook_> | only 600 or so staff, not too big |
| 05:53 | <thor_> | I was there once on a PWC ticket |
| 05:53 | <thor_> | great city |
| 05:53 | <MrChook_> | but I'm not going to comment on how the place is run |
| 05:53 | <thor_> | are you guys IBM now, or are you accounting? |
| 05:53 | <MrChook_> | brisbane is a damn nice place to live |
| 05:53 | <MrChook_> | nah, I'm with ABAS/GRMS |
| 05:54 | <thor_> | Did consulting split cleany? |
| 05:54 | <thor_> | cleanly? |
| 05:54 | <MrChook_> | depends on what you mean by clean |
| 05:54 | <thor_> | amicable? |
| 05:54 | <MrChook_> | to be honest I don't really know, never heard of any major problems |
| 05:55 | <mechou> | Where's the Chinese wall??? |
| 05:55 | <MrChook_> | did you hear about the "Monday" thing? |
| 05:55 | <MrChook_> | in China? |
| 05:55 | <thor_> | I have a "Monday" business card |
| 05:55 | <thor_> | which I cherish |
| 05:55 | <mechou> | wise guy, eh?? |
| 05:55 | <MrChook_> | cherish? |
| 05:56 | <thor_> | last vestigage of the dot com era |
| 05:56 | <MrChook_> | don't tell me you think it was a good idea.. oh |
| 05:56 | <thor_> | that the market should give 15 billion |
| 05:57 | <MrChook_> | some of the emails from partners talking up the name made me laugh |
| 05:57 | <thor_> | to a company that failed to convince even HP |
| 05:57 | <mechou> | hehe... |
| 05:57 | <thor_> | it was sublime |
| 05:57 | <MrChook_> | cost them over $1M or so for something that got dumped like a hot potato |
| 05:58 | <MrChook_> | did you ever see wearemonday.co.uk ? |
| 05:58 | <thor_> | yeah .... |
| 05:58 | <thor_> | ... well ... |
| 05:58 | | * MrChook_ sniggers |
| 05:58 | <thor_> | ... move the books ... |
| 05:58 | -!- | MrChook_ is now known as MrChook |
| 05:59 | <thor_> | and IBM are hte guys who got totally fucked |
| 05:59 | <mechou> | no, you meant MrCrook :) |
| 05:59 | <MrChook> | i dunno much about the details |
| 05:59 | <MrChook> | mechou, nah, I'm just a tiny cog in the machine |
| 06:00 | <thor_> | IBM now has retirement liabilities that exceed their purchase price by 3-4 times |
| 06:00 | <MrChook> | plus, I don't really care that much about all that sorta shit |
| 06:00 | <thor_> | nope |
| 06:00 | <thor_> | me neither |
| 06:00 | <thor_> | just that he guys I'm working with now |
| 06:00 | <thor_> | are all ex-PwC |
| 06:01 | <thor_> | and love to exclaim "how they f*ked Big Blue" |
| 06:02 | <MrChook> | heh |
| 06:03 | <thor_> | MrChook, where are you? |
| 06:04 | <MrChook> | where? |
| 06:04 | <thor_> | geographically .. just curious? |
| 06:04 | <MrChook> | brisbane |
| 06:04 | <MrChook> | 8^) |
| 06:04 | <thor_> | excellent |
| 06:05 | <thor_> | is PWC actually seperate there? |
| 06:05 | <MrChook> | well, it's all separate really |
| 06:05 | <thor_> | But legally? |
| 06:06 | | * MrChook doesn't really know |
| 06:06 | <MrChook> | webiste says... PricewaterhouseCoopers refers to the network of member firms of PricewaterhouseCoopers International Limited, each of which is a separate and independent legal entity. |
| 06:07 | <mechou> | BS Cough.... |
| 06:07 | <MrChook> | just a legal trick to limit liability as far as I'm aware |
| 06:08 | <mechou> | exactly. |
| 06:08 | <thor_> | I went to Israel/Palestine during the time of the merger (1998/1998?) and it was the Israeli version of the (American) INS that gave me an insanely hard time ... |
| 06:08 | <MrChook> | offer up a couple of partners as sacrificial goats and keep on trading |
| 06:08 | <thor_> | 1998/1999 |
| 06:09 | <thor_> | crap on me for speaking Arabic |
| 06:09 | <mechou> | hehe... |
| 06:09 | <mechou> | how did they know u spoke arabic? |
| 06:09 | <thor_> | they looked at my passport |
| 06:09 | <mechou> | American INS in Israel |
| 06:10 | <MrChook> | INS? |
| 06:10 | <mechou> | Immigration and Naturalization Service |
| 06:10 | <MrChook> | ahh |
| 06:10 | <mechou> | Border guards. |
| 06:10 | <thor_> | no |
| 06:10 | <thor_> | not customs |
| 06:11 | <thor_> | different beasts |
| 06:11 | <mechou> | well, not customs. |
| 06:11 | <thor_> | sorry |
| 06:11 | <thor_> | I'm a bit a sensitvie |
| 06:11 | <thor_> | anyway |
| 06:11 | <mechou> | But haven't they since consolidated after 9/11? |
| 06:11 | <thor_> | ha |
| 06:11 | <MrChook> | I'm just glad I live in AU |
| 06:12 | <thor_> | and double ha |
| 06:12 | <thor_> | anyone see frontline in early October |
| 06:12 | <mechou> | which program? |
| 06:13 | <mechou> | Iraq? |
| 06:13 | <thor_> | Frontline, searching for the Lacawana 6? |
| 06:13 | <mechou> | I missed that one... |
| 06:13 | <thor_> | program myth |
| 06:13 | <mechou> | no, I remember now. I did see it. |
| 06:13 | <thor_> | it's important |
| 06:14 | <mechou> | 6 arabic youths who went to paki |
| 06:14 | <thor_> | you see the last 4-5 minutes ? |
| 06:14 | <mechou> | yeah, saw trhe whole program. Remind me about last 5 min? |
| 06:15 | <thor_> | (uhm ... us citizen) |
| 06:15 | <mechou> | the US citizen that got killed? |
| 06:15 | <thor_> | yeah, whatever |
| 06:15 | <thor_> | probably nothing |
| 06:15 | <thor_> | just an american |
| 06:16 | <mechou> | well, they didn't set out to kill him specifically, but the imam that he was with..... |
| 06:16 | <mechou> | what is that called, colateral damage? |
| 06:16 | <thor_> | yeah, ok |
| 06:16 | <mechou> | not that it would be justified. |
| 06:17 | <thor_> | whatever, Jefferson isn't respected anywhere |
| 06:17 | <mechou> | at least that's the "official story" |
| 06:18 | <thor_> | he's just a "founding father" |
| 06:18 | <thor_> | that doesn't mean anything |
| 06:18 | <mechou> | well, I'm not optimistic. Arnold Schwartznegger in CA, Bush will probably be re-elected in 2004. Who are thewse people that put crap in office? |
| 06:19 | <thor_> | great |
| 06:19 | <thor_> | fine |
| 06:19 | <thor_> | take out Colling Powell |
| 06:19 | <MrChook> | the american public and the money that is spent on putting a good spin on idiots that they vote for ? |
| 06:19 | <mechou> | I'm suprise nobody has recalled George W. for lying. |
| 06:20 | <thor_> | ok |
| 06:20 | <thor_> | kill me |
| 06:20 | <thor_> | I'm not American |
| 06:20 | <mechou> | that ought to be the real recall. |
| 06:20 | <thor_> | I live in DC |
| 06:21 | <mechou> | DC people get a skewed view of the world :) |
| 06:21 | <thor_> | why? |
| 06:21 | <mechou> | it's called beltway mentality. |
| 06:22 | <thor_> | wrong |
| 06:22 | <thor_> | the difference between me and mushwrawi is that I have pull |
| 06:23 | <thor_> | who's "mushwrawi"? |
| 06:24 | <thor_> | heh? |
| 06:24 | | * MrChook has no idea |
| 06:24 | <mechou> | You know there's is something wrong when we have people named Bush, Dick, & Colon in office (Chris Rock) |
| 06:24 | <thor_> | stop googling? |
| 06:24 | <MrChook> | google tell sme nothing |
| 06:25 | <thor_> | there's lots there |
| 06:25 | <thor_> | he was probably a very nasty guy |
| 06:25 | <MrChook> | Your search - mushwrawi - did not match any documents. |
| 06:25 | <thor_> | ok |
| 06:26 | <mechou> | go to http://www.pbs.org/frontline |
| 06:26 | <thor_> | yup |
| 06:27 | <thor_> | a crazy dude |
| 06:27 | <thor_> | a fundamentalist |
| 06:27 | <thor_> | in short |
| 06:27 | <thor_> | a total nutbar |
| 06:27 | <thor_> | but |
| 06:27 | <thor_> | a US citizen |
| 06:28 | <mechou> | Well, don't forget Waco and Branch Davidians...... |
| 06:28 | <thor_> | ok |
| 06:28 | <thor_> | fine |
| 06:28 | <MrChook> | nothing there either |
| 06:28 | <thor_> | he payed his taxes |
| 06:28 | <MrChook> | any religous fanatic scares the shit outta me |
| 06:28 | <thor_> | non worse than Ashcroft |
| 06:29 | <MrChook> | i don't care what god or prohpet they profess to follow |
| 06:29 | <thor_> | exactly |
| 06:29 | <thor_> | so |
| 06:29 | <thor_> | some |
| 06:29 | <thor_> | dude |
| 06:29 | <thor_> | with a very mis-aligned |
| 06:29 | <thor_> | sense of or worng or right |
| 06:30 | <mechou> | well, that's my point. We are an equal opportunity fanatic killer regime. |
| 06:30 | <thor_> | hang on |
| 06:30 | <thor_> | you are stealing my (frontline) thunder |
| 06:31 | <thor_> | this guy is not just "vaguely" middle eastern |
| 06:31 | <mechou> | you're taking too long to get there:) |
| 06:31 | <thor_> | he's a fucking US citizen!!!!! |
| 06:32 | <thor_> | is that short enough for you? |
| 06:32 | <mechou> | Dude, we covereed this like 1 hr. ago already. |
| 06:33 | <mechou> | Thunder clap over 1 hour ago.... |
| 06:33 | <thor_> | mechou, cool ... please still send me your CV" |
| 06:34 | <thor_> | I will still send it to people I know in SV |
| 06:35 | <thor_> | I'm still a happy go lucky Canadian |
| 06:35 | <mechou> | why don't you msg me with your email. |
| 06:36 | <thor_> | mechou, just send something to crazynutbar@lamedomainname.com |
| 06:37 | <mechou> | haha....circular file, eh? |
| 06:37 | <thor_> | no, just anything to lamedomainname.com |
| 06:38 | <mechou> | dude, are you for real? that's your domain name? |
| 06:39 | <thor_> | mechou, yeah |
| 06:39 | <mechou> | that's funny. |
| 06:39 | <thor_> | where are you at geograohically? |
| 06:39 | <thor_> | geogrphically? |
| 06:39 | <mechou> | Cupertino, remember? |
| 06:40 | <thor_> | ok |
| 06:40 | <thor_> | give Rob Ferber an email |
| 06:42 | <mechou> | u got his email? |
| 06:42 | <thor_> | one sec |
| 06:43 | <thor_> | not right in front of me .... |
| 06:43 | <mechou> | that's OK. I'm really in no hurry :) |
| 06:44 | <thor_> | more interestingly .... how do you think new DOT com is doing in SF ... |
| 06:45 | <mechou> | thor_: nobody wants to be associated with the internet here in SV> It's back to basics. Good business model is fundamental. |
| 06:45 | <thor_> | good |
| 06:45 | <thor_> | you know how to code? |
| 06:46 | <thor_> | I mean C++ at a bash prompt? |
| 06:46 | <mechou> | in a past life. Too low level for me now except as a hobby.... |
| 06:46 | <mechou> | yeah, I still can code if I need to. |
| 06:46 | <thor_> | ok, |
| 06:47 | <thor_> | look |
| 06:47 | <thor_> | I don't represent any mony |
| 06:47 | <thor_> | money |
| 06:47 | <thor_> | I represent only the promoise of money |
| 06:48 | <mechou> | hey, that's what all people say. |
| 06:48 | <mechou> | :) |
| 06:48 | <mechou> | But at least u're up front about it....:) |
| 06:48 | <thor_> | yup |
| 06:49 | <thor_> | I'm a CTO |
| 06:49 | <thor_> | backed by 5 persons |
| 06:50 | <thor_> | who want to make money off of Sarbanes Oxley |
| 06:50 | <mechou> | % people holding the pursestrings? |
| 06:50 | <mechou> | s%/5 |
| 06:50 | <thor_> | %? |
| 06:50 | <mechou> | s/%/5 |
| 06:50 | <mechou> | typo |
| 06:50 | <thor_> | yup |
| 06:51 | <thor_> | but wrong question |
| 06:51 | <mechou> | Consultants at building the Chinese Wall? |
| 06:51 | <thor_> | No. |
| 06:51 | <thor_> | Major principal is ex-Ford administration |
| 06:52 | <thor_> | this is DC- bases |
| 06:52 | <thor_> | bassed |
| 06:52 | <thor_> | based |
| 06:52 | <thor_> | ... |
| 06:52 | <thor_> | ... |
| 06:53 | <mechou> | I thought Sarbanes Oxley implies Chines Wall and (better) accounting? |
| 06:53 | <thor_> | Yup |
| 06:53 | <mechou> | So what am I missing? |
| 06:53 | <thor_> | Code word == "continuous" |
| 06:54 | <mechou> | you mean like "insurance?" |
| 06:54 | <thor_> | nope |
| 06:54 | <thor_> | like data flows in |
| 06:55 | <thor_> | and the pengaton has payed 50 million dollars |
| 06:55 | <thor_> | and it's not |
| 06:55 | <thor_> | continouous |
| 06:58 | <mechou> | sorry, must be densse today. missing your drift..... |
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| 07:12 | <thor_> | yup |
| 07:13 | <thor_> | sorry to poloticise myth |
| 07:14 | | * MrChook shrugs |
| 07:14 | <MrChook> | happens on most chanels at some time or another |
| 07:14 | <MrChook> | any idea how to cast a string as a QString? |
| 07:15 | <thor_> | (cast *) |
| 07:15 | <MrChook> | i have a function that takes a QString.. can I just call it like this? |
| 07:15 | <MrChook> | function(QString("some string")) |
| 07:16 | <MrChook> | C is not something I know a lot about |
| 07:16 | <MrChook> | nope, that doesn't work |
| 07:16 | <thor_> | receiving is oK |
| 07:17 | <thor_> | returning is complicated |
| 07:18 | <MrChook> | it's a void so that aint the problem |
| 07:18 | <MrChook> | playing with stuff to set the window caption |
| 07:19 | <MrChook> | i have a function that sets it but it takes a qstring |
| 07:19 | <thor_> | myth logic is pretty good |
| 07:20 | <thor_> | if you have a void |
| 07:22 | <MrChook> | well, this is the funciton... pretty simple |
| 07:22 | <MrChook> | void MythMainWindow::SetCaption(QString caption) |
| 07:22 | <MrChook> | { |
| 07:22 | <MrChook> | setCaption(caption); |
| 07:22 | <MrChook> | } |
| 07:23 | <MrChook> | if I call it with a qstring is works but I can't figure out how to call it with a plain string |
| 07:23 | <MrChook> | I'm sure I had this working last night but it fails now |
| 07:24 | <thor_> | drink less, program more .... |
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| 07:27 | <MrChook> | ahhh, hmm |
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| 08:36 | <MrChook> | ah hah ! |
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| 08:42 | <riksta> | does mythtv has issues with BT8X8 cards? i dont seem to be able to change channel, however i can change it fine in 'tvtime'? |
| 08:42 | <riksta> | maybe i went wrong in the configuration? |
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| 09:54 | <o_cee> | <titles> in the theme is not possible to do any other way than <image>? not possible to use a translated text? |
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| 13:05 | <o_cee> | would a simple change in tv_schedule.xml make it possible to add one more type to buttondef? i'm talking about PROGFIND that belongs to <type>TV_SCHEDULE</type>.. would chaning that to TV_PROGFIND make it possible to change that button as well? is it that simple? can't recompile right now since i'm recording |
| 13:07 | <o_cee> | ah dammit, don't need to recompile that:) it's an xml |
| 13:08 | <o_cee> | it actually worked :) great.. |
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| 14:41 | <De_Mon> | how high is the replay value of GunValkyre? |
| 14:41 | <De_Mon> | oops wrong window :) |
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| 15:34 | <mechou> | Hey Chutt, you around? I need some help with a big sql query code block in myth..... |
| 15:37 | <Chutt> | yes, i've seen you going on about that |
| 15:37 | <Chutt> | i didn't write that code |
| 15:37 | <Chutt> | i don't care to spend time looking at it |
| 15:38 | <mechou> | Can you point me to someone who can? |
| 15:38 | <Chutt> | nope |
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| 16:18 | <D-side> | anyone around who's successfully made an IR-200L work? |
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| 18:16 | <orogor> | hi |
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| 19:07 | <D-side> | anyone with an actisys IR-200L ? |
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| 19:33 | <D-side> | barring that, anyone know of an lirc irc support forum? |
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| 20:08 | <D-side> | ugh this is pissing me off. |
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| 22:18 | <D-side> | anyone around? |
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| 22:41 | <hadees> | anyone seen http://www.netremote.org? |
| 22:42 | <hadees> | i wish there was a backend for linux, it would make my mythtv box so cool |
| 22:57 | <cesman> | Am I may be mistaken, but you can do with with Linux... |
| 22:57 | <cesman> | a properly configured firewall and mythweb |
| 23:00 | <cesman> | ok, looks like netremote maybe able to do some more |
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| 23:06 | <MadScientist> | can anyone tell me if a pentium pro 200 would work acceptably if I get a card with mpeg encode & decode chips such as the wintv pvr-250 or pvr-300 |
| 23:21 | <cesman> | Probably not a 250, maybe a 350 |
| 23:21 | <cesman> | http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-3.html#ss3.1 |
| 23:31 | <MadScientist> | hmm ok, thanks |
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