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---Logopened Fri Oct 31 00:00:31 2003
---Daychanged Fri Oct 31 2003
00:00<ChaosExiguum>"watch tv" works just fine for me, however, recorded shows play like broken records and skip all over the place, often a 1 hour show records as 12min
00:01<ChaosExiguum>im using a pvr350, and this problem showed up with the .12 release
00:01<Chutt>it's the same code.
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00:02<Chutt>unless you've someone gotten a very broken recording profile for 'default' or whatnot
00:02<Chutt>'somehow'
00:03<ChaosExiguum>hmm... I dont know, I tried recording a show using "live tv" as the profile and it was not happy either
00:04<ChaosExiguum>also when its recording a show, the hd light goes on solid instead of just the normal blip blip
00:05<Chutt>got your logging in the ivtv driver too high?
00:06<Chutt>though it'd be the same for live-tv
00:06<Chutt>mysql db broken?
00:06<ChaosExiguum>hmm, mysql may be it, I also get massive i/o when deleting recordings and such
00:06<Chutt>dma turned on?
00:07<ChaosExiguum>yup
00:07<Chutt>i would make sure that the ivtv driver isn't logging insanely
00:07<Chutt>it does that at times =)
00:09<ChaosExiguum>wowie, I've got debug on it set to 2, and I'm getting dma tasklet log stuff about 60 times a sec
00:10<Chutt>heh
00:10<Chutt>also
00:10<Chutt>which version of the driver are you using?
00:11<Chutt>http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/axboe/ivtv/
00:11<ChaosExiguum>decoder-alpha, although I did not change the driver when I upgraded to .12, I did update my firmware
00:11<Chutt>tad stabler than the latest decoder-alpha stuff
00:11<Chutt>just hasn't been merged in by tmk yet
00:11<Chutt>updated several times a day, generally
00:13<ChaosExiguum>I'll give that a try, but I am leaning twards a db problem, since as you say, livetv and recorded tv use the same code, andn live is working fine
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00:14<Captain_Murdoch>did you check your recordedmarkup table?
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00:14<ChaosExiguum>no, I have not looked at the db at all yet, im about to...
00:15<Captain_Murdoch>check that first, it gets hit during recordings.
00:19<ChaosExiguum>hrm... 'ERROR 1016: Can't open file: 'recordedmarkup.MYI'. (errno: 145)"
00:19<Captain_Murdoch>check the mailing list for instructions on how to fix.
00:19<ChaosExiguum>okay, thanks
00:22<Chutt>heh
00:22<Chutt>that table goes wonky often
00:23<Chutt>i need to find a new 40mm fan for the cpu on my mini-itx box
00:23<Captain_Murdoch>bug in mysql or just bad hw? never has happened to me and I record 4-5 hours a day.
00:23<ChaosExiguum>ah, that is what Im reading as well..... my fan is starting to loose a bearing as well..
00:23<Chutt>current cpu fan is now about twice as loud as my entire xp1800+ machine
00:23<Chutt>if i don't turn it way down with a fanmate
00:24<Chutt>captain_murdoch, i don't think it deals well with problems
00:24<Chutt>i've never seen that either
00:24<ChaosExiguum>my system may have had a power loss, or something went wrong during the upgrade
00:24<Chutt>though you probably record much more than i do =)
00:24<Captain_Murdoch>I've got a dell poweredge 2300 sitting here that shakes the house. It has 2 or 3 5-inch fans in it I think. even on low speed they're noisy. should break out the wd-40.
00:25<Chutt>maybe i should just put something larger in there
00:25<ChaosExiguum>heh, I use sewing machine oil, never thought of wd-40
00:25<Captain_Murdoch>well, my wife records 2-3 a day of those home shows then we have our nightly stuff that records. we rarely watch live anymore, timeshift everything through myth.
00:25<Chutt>should be quieter, at least
00:26<Captain_Murdoch>I turn this machine off at night right now, only using it for testing currently.
00:26<Chutt>i had a recording playing earlier through the pvr-350, my wife thought it was live tv =)
00:29<ChaosExiguum>:o) my next project is making the tv out work, I can dd to video16 just fine, but something about my ivtv is whack and it crashes myth, so thats next to tackle
00:30<Chutt>it needs the ivtv-fb stuff working
00:30<Chutt>and you'll want to use CVS mythtv and that driver snapshot
00:30<Chutt>and cvs mythtv in a day or so, when i update stuff with some improvements that are in my working tree
00:31<Chutt>i'm _trying_ to get edit mode working =)
00:31<ChaosExiguum>I got the fb working for X w/ cvs, but I'll have to try the snapshot
00:32<Chutt>ah, do you have another fb device that's on /dev/fb0?
00:32<ChaosExiguum>yea
00:32<Chutt>the ivtv ioctl that was supposed to say which fb device to use was/is broken
00:32<Chutt>think it's fixed in that snapshot driver, though
00:32<ChaosExiguum>ahhhh, that might just do the trick
00:33<ChaosExiguum>well thanks so much for all the help guys, mysql says my db is fixed up now, and I'll give that ivtv stuff a shot, but right now, its time for bed.. 'night
00:56<CyberKnet>Hmmm... seems like every time I do the dist-upgrade if I say yes to installing libc6 then it breaks ldconfig. So I think this time I will just say no.
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04:45<MrChook>anyone got any thoughts as to why mpeg2enc is really slow on my machine? athlon 2200+ XP
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04:54<MrChook>I'm only getting about 1 fps encoding
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12:13<Chutt>sfr, hey, how's the streaming audio?
12:15<sfr>so and so. i don't like the fact that it blocks the gui while buffering. maybe it should go in a separate thread?
12:16<Chutt>might not be too hard to do that
12:16<Chutt>and probably best
12:18<Chutt>when it's buffering, is it in someplace that it could call qApp::processEvents()?
12:18<Chutt>that'd let the UI update, at least
12:18<sfr>didn't actually look at how to do it. had to get used to the idea first. should be enough to start a thread from inside streaminput.
12:19<sfr>ah, i added something like that in the initial connect sequence, but not later on. i don't really know what it's good for :)
12:19<sfr>but it seems to fit to that problem.
12:20<Chutt>there's certain problems that can arise from using it, but it's basically 'i'm doing something that's going to take awhile, so go do the UI crap for a little bit'
12:20<sfr>or you'd prefer a separate thread?
12:20<Chutt>it doesn't really matter
12:20<Chutt>either way should probably work just as well
12:22<sfr>do you know if the plugins will have to be changed considerably to fit to thor's mfd?
12:23<Chutt>i don't think so
12:23<Chutt>i haven't had time to really look at that code, but it looks like he just reused the decoder stuff as is
12:26<sfr>the qApp::processEvents will also handle keyboard events i guess?
12:28<Chutt>yeah
12:28<Chutt>so you may have to write some stuff to disallow that, or stop prebuffering if necessary
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12:31<sfr>ok, now i've got something to look at during the weekend ;)
12:35* mikegrb considers the mythtv pumpkin a challenge
12:37* kvandivo thinks that mikegrb must have more artistic talent than he, if one is look at that as a challenge.
12:37<mikegrb>heh
12:38* kvandivo pokes mikegrb.
12:38<mikegrb>well we still have a pumpkin that needs carving
12:38<kvandivo>what's up with xbox code that causes my machine to hang?
12:38* kvandivo pokes mikegrb.
12:38<mikegrb>not too hard with one of those kits
12:38<mikegrb>heh
12:38<mikegrb>yha I saw that
12:38<mikegrb>are you referring to the first one chutt fixed?
12:39<kvandivo>ya. :)
12:39<mikegrb>yes, threads :/
12:39<kvandivo>i suspect that second one was a severe heisenbug that i'll probably never see again, now that i'm looking for it
12:39<kvandivo>threads had nothing to do with the xbox one, actually..
12:39<mikegrb>really
12:39<mikegrb>I'll have to take another look at it
12:39<Chutt>yup
12:40<Chutt>just Qt crappiness
12:40<mikegrb>oh
12:40<Chutt>i've fixed it, no worries
12:40<mikegrb>yes I saw you fixed it
12:40<mikegrb>it takes a certain level of smarts to code
12:40<kvandivo>look at your irc logs from last night, mike.. it's pretty clear when you look at the trace and have a bit of background on how things work (which chutt provided)
12:40<mikegrb>multply times 50 to get the level required for debugging
12:41<mikegrb>thanks for the pointer kirby, I will
12:41<mikegrb>I've been so busy on oftc lately
12:41<mikegrb>haven't spent much time on freenode
12:41<mikegrb>I actually became staff on oftc just yesterday :)
12:42<kvandivo>actually, you can't look at your logs. looks like they are broke
12:42<mikegrb>well they have moved
12:42<mikegrb>www.michaelandheidi.net/irc
12:42<kvandivo>ahh.. that's probably it. :)
12:43<mikegrb>though soon to be www.thegrebs.com/irc
12:43<mikegrb>michalandheidi is just way too long <g>
12:55<kvandivo>Captain_Murdoch_: I agree that a smaller box would be cool for the 'time i think this commercial is'.. i was just thinking that the code for 'info' could be hijacked pretty quickly to do the midlevel commercial skip notify thing..
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12:57<sfr>on the topic of skipping commercials: is it possible to display the osd a few seconds before the skipping?
12:58<kvandivo>you mean the little info box, for instance? right now, i'm not aware of that possibility in the code
12:59<sfr>i think right before skipping it shows the osd saying 'skipping X seconds' or something like that.
12:59<kvandivo>now if you were asking if it were possible in the sense of 'could code be written to do that?'.. I think you know the answer. :)
12:59<sfr>42?
13:00<kvandivo>i believe the info box shows up at the exact point of the commercial skip, and stays on the screen for a couple of seconds telling you that it has already skipped X seconds
13:01<sfr>afair i never saw the osd after the jump, only as you say on the exact point of the commercial skip.
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13:29<o_cee>blergh. gotta install mythdvd to try it with the theme..
13:30<o_cee>or i can just hope that it'll work ;)
13:30<o_cee>and mythbrowser as well
13:31<o_cee>seems to be something funny going on with the commits list, i haven't got any message about mythbrowser beeing imported.. strange
13:31<Chutt>imports don't get sent out
13:32<o_cee>oh, okay.
13:32<o_cee>does it require kde?
13:34<Chutt>i believe so
13:34<o_cee>:\
13:37<o_cee>running blackbox
13:38<sfr>the kde libs might suffice
13:38<Chutt>you don't need to be running kde.
13:38<o_cee>ah, oh.
13:39<o_cee>"You have to have kde development package installed".. let's see if i can find that on in gentoos portage
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13:43<o_cee>hmm.. anyone know wich one of these he's reffering to? never used kde :) http://kde.org/download/
13:45<farce>what dist are you using?
13:46<o_cee>gentoo
13:47<farce>i dont see any -devel package
13:48<o_cee>me neither..
13:55<o_cee>Chutt: is the patch i send ok or is it not ok to break other themes like that? :)
13:56<Chutt>i haven't looked at it
13:56<o_cee>ah, okay
13:56<Chutt>and as long as blue works ok, that's fine
13:56<o_cee>no patch needed for the other theme, liquid?
13:57<o_cee>totally forgot about it
13:57<Captain_Murdoch_>cool, just got an email from Avermedia in response to my request for docs for the M179. They want me to call them on Monday and also to reply via email letting them know what I need to get the M179 audio working with the ivtv driver.
13:57<sfr>the radio tuner?
13:57<Captain_Murdoch_>no, their version of the pvr-250
13:58<Captain_Murdoch_>I've got 3 of them and a few other people in here and #ivtv-dev have them as well.
13:58<sfr>ah, ok.
14:00<Chutt>neat
14:00<Chutt>so they're going to be helpful, sounds like
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14:11<kvandivo>ahhh.. very cool
14:11<mikegrb>bonus points for Avermedia
14:12<kvandivo>no kidding. makes me wish i'd spent $78 and bought a couple of them instead of being cheap and only spending $39. :)
14:12<mikegrb>heh indeed
14:22<Captain_Murdoch_>stepped away for a few minutes. yeah. I emailed 2 of their U.S. addresses (marketting and feedback) and then BCC:-ed a few others from other countries. that was late last night and i just got an email about 1:45 from a guy there asking me to call him. we'll see how it pans out..
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14:23<Captain_Murdoch_>told them that their competitor Hauppauge was supported by ivtv and Myth and they should be to. :)
14:23<o_cee>trying to pair up weather icons with mythweather.. does flurries mean windy? or is it like scattered snow?
14:24<o_cee>and fair.. is it when there's not a cloud on the sky, byt at night?
14:24<farce>it means that mcdonald dessert!
14:24<farce>mcflurries!
14:25<sfr>hehe!
14:25<farce>fair at night is a starry night
14:25<farce>paint your palette blue and grey
14:25<warlord-afk>o_cee: flurries means "light, scattered snow"
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14:25<warlord>fair means clear/nice
14:25<o_cee>got that one covered then.. but flurries is harder..
14:25<o_cee>okay..
14:26<Chutt>light snow with wind
14:26<o_cee>will have to use the same as rain/snow for now
14:26<warlord>I dont think the wind is required for it to be called flurries, is it?
14:26<Chutt>that's what i think of as a flurry
14:26<kvandivo>http://www.srh.noaa.gov/lzk/html/win5-nf.htm google rocks
14:27<Chutt>ah, allright
14:27<warlord>Cool. :)
14:27<warlord>That jives with my understanding.
14:28<Chutt>but that's in arkansas
14:28<warlord>Heh
14:28<Chutt>how much snow do they get? :p
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14:29<warlord>http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=flurries
14:29<warlord>Definition 1
14:29<Chutt>second definition, #2
14:29<Chutt>none of that 'american heritage' crap
14:30<Chutt>=)
14:30<warlord>:-P
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14:31<warlord>You anti-american or something???
14:33<Chutt>heh
14:35<o_cee>weathertypes.dat was helpful as well :) i'd be able to add some more images i guess, got a couple more here.. hard to do unless it's the oficial theme though
14:35<o_cee>:)
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15:49<mchou>hey Chutt, if I submit patches, how do I get a "code review", especially by someone who's familiar with internationalization? Do want to introduce bugs with patch....
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16:09<mchou>hey Chutt, if I submit patches, how do I get a "code review", especially by someone who's familiar with internationalization? Do want to introduce bugs new bugs with patch....
16:10<Chutt>you just send the patch to the list
16:10<mchou>ok.
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16:39<nulltank>i have a reqeust for comment...
16:40<nulltank>i built my first mythtv box with gentoo; it took me a while to get it working and i never did get my gforce 200 mx or 400 mx cards working with tv-out...
16:41<nulltank>so now i need to build a box for a friend and i'm wondering what OS i should use; any advice?
16:42<hadees>is there anything else i need to do for lcd support other than enable it in mythtv? like download a driver or set somthing up in my kernel?
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17:21<farce>nulltank: well a redhat box is easy to get going... dunno about tv-out tho
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18:12<o_cee>argh, can't fit in a myth logo anywhere nicely :/
18:16<o_cee>mythdvd/README section DATABASE probably needs updating now that it's automatical
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18:21<o_cee>processing.png, what's that one used for? never seen it actually appear
18:23<thor_>I think that's supposed to show up in Watch/Delete recordings if the show is being transcoded (?)
18:25<o_cee>if that's the case it doesn't work :)
18:26<o_cee>at least not here
18:27<thor_>it certainly looks like that is what it is supposed to do ... it's in the same block as all those other ones in ui.xml
18:27<o_cee>yeah..
18:28<o_cee>my guess would be that is what's its supposed to do
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18:36<o_cee>btw.. in mythmusic
18:36<thor_> .. yes .....
18:36<o_cee>don't you think that "Search for music" should be something like "Update the database".. my girlfriend didn't understand why she didn't get a way to search for music.. :)
18:37<o_cee>expected a search dialog of some kind
18:37<thor_>ah
18:37<thor_>heh
18:37<o_cee>or it could be put into the setup maybe
18:37<thor_>well, Update the database doesn't sound quite right either
18:37<o_cee>not sure what to call it
18:38<thor_>Check For New Music ?
18:38<o_cee>better
18:38<o_cee>hmm
18:38<thor_>It is "SCan"
18:38<thor_>Scan
18:39<o_cee>it is? checking the translation
18:40<o_cee>yeah.. it says scan..
18:40<o_cee>not as bad. but thte swedish translation needs fixing :)
18:41<o_cee>"Scan for new music" might be even more clear
18:41<thor_>yup
18:41<o_cee>you going to change it now?
18:42<o_cee>in that case you can get an updated .se right away
18:42<o_cee>says "Search for music" now, heh
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18:44<o_cee>or i can send a patch
18:45<thor_>I commited the (english) change
18:45<mrra>Anyone have know of a commericially available usb or serial infrared transmitter?
18:46<o_cee>lol :)
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19:23<o_cee>uhm.. CVS log for mythdvd/mythdvd/dvdmenu.xml.mid.. why's there no "view as text" there?
19:25<o_cee>gotta be viewcvs that's confused by the file ending
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19:42<o_cee>night all
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21:02<manu>Hi all
21:03<manu>Chutt, I have checked with XFree86 guys for the XvMC stuff
21:04<manu>Here are the drivers which support it :intel i810
21:04<manu>(not i830/45/etc.), the savage source code S3/VIA released (not yet integarted into xfree86), possibly the VIA CLE266 driver, and the Nvidia binary drivers
21:05<manu>So finally my ATI card does not support (perhaps GATOS drivers do) and the message in my XFree log file was misleading
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21:50<Teflon->hmmm, down to 85%/32gb free, time to burn more DVDs for my wife.
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22:28<CyberKnet>I dont suppose robert hangs out in here?
22:30<warlord>sorry, he's off writing his rules of order..
22:34<CyberKnet>'s okay. I was just going to thank him for writing such nice markup =)
22:36<Teflon->okay, 4gb burnt to disk, next 4gb starting.
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22:56<manu_>Hi! Can someone tell me how to use Alsa natively?
22:57<manu_>I modified the settings.pro before compiling for that
22:57<manu_>But I see this when I launch mythfrontend
22:57<manu_>"Unknown video codec: Opening OSS audio device '/dev/dsp'."
22:59<manu_>Does this really mean it uses the oss emulation, or is just the message misleading and it really uses alsa natively?
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23:07<hadees>anyone remember the version number of the last good release of nvidia drivers, before they got screwed up and don't work with mythtv
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23:08<manu>Hmm, sorry I have been disconnected : I was watching TV using mythTV, and my box locked up hard (hard reset)!
23:09<manu>Does anyone answer my question about alsa in the meantime? If yes could you resend it please? Thanks.
23:09<hadees>what question about alsa?
23:10<manu>How to use alsa drivers natively?
23:10<manu>I have changed the settings.pro to do that but I am not sure it changed something (and yes I recompile myth after ;-)
23:12<manu>Just to explain why I am doubting : when I launch mythfrontend, there is this :
23:12<manu>Unknown video codec: Opening OSS audio device '/dev/dsp'.
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23:13<manu>which seems to indicate that oss is used for playback?
23:20<kja>hadees: 4363
23:21<D-side>I return.
23:21<D-side>hadees: nvidia drivers screw up mythtv? what are the symptoms?
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23:26<Ripp>I'm using 4496 without any problems
23:27<kja>Experimental AV sync won't work properly with 4496
23:27<Ripp>hm, don't use it... thanks for the tip tho! :)
23:27<kja>manu: a make distclean;make will probably solve the unknown codec
23:28<kja>manu: set audio device to ALSA:<something> to not use oss emulation
23:29<kja>manu: but i think native alsa is broken
23:29<manu>kja, where do you set that?
23:29<kja>frontend setup somewhere, don't remeber the exact location
23:30<manu>kja, I'll check that. But I thought alsa was recommended?
23:31<kja>nope, if you fix it, it will be :)
23:31<manu>kja, ;-)
23:31<kja>i use alsa drivers with oss emulation, because oss drivers is broken
23:32<manu>kja, yes alsa drivers are generally better; but I thought that mythtv support for native alsa was ok. Seems that I was wrong.
23:33<kja>last post i saw on the native alsa subject was a bugreport
23:33<D-side>dont suppose any of you have seen the left audio only/garbled audio on channel change problem...
23:34<manu>kja, perhaps you know why I have really bad and loud artifacts when changing channels quickly (sometimes, not always)?
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23:35<kja>do you see audio has changed messages on the console?
23:37<manu>kja, nope. I just did it : change channels several times in a row (fast enough that it is still prebuffering when you already change)
23:38<kja>and it messed up without that message?
23:39<manu>Yes
23:39<kja>could be your drivers (or a race in AudioOutputOSS)
23:39<manu>it could be my drivers : I use the inboard sound card (on a nforce2 board)
23:40<kja>hmm, me too...with alsa drivers
23:40<manu>you use the i8x0 ones?
23:41<kja>yup
23:42<manu>then no se ;-) the speakers are z640 logitech
23:43<kja>i switched to alsa because the oss drivers (nvidia binary|i810) would no change to mono properly...
23:44<manu>I just had it just changing channel (I go up, watch one second, then go down, and ouch this f**k artifact ;-)
23:44<manu>it is not that loud, but still noisy.
23:45<manu>A part of that, I have great 5.1 when watching/hearing a DVD with mplayer, but there it is native alsa
23:45<manu>it can be that alsa oss emulation is not really good
23:46<kja>and you do not get swamped with audio data lost either?
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23:46<manu>why do you mean here?
23:47<kja>no on the console
23:47<kja>sorry, got to go!
23:47<manu>OK thanks for answering ;-)
23:47<manu>Bye
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