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---Logopened Wed Nov 05 00:00:00 2003
---Daychanged Wed Nov 05 2003
00:00<hadees>execpt its not a laptop
00:00<hadees>then you can help me test
00:00<overridex>hehe yeah so scratch the pvr 250 :)
00:00<overridex>can't get that quite in a laptop
00:00<overridex>but i do run a mythtv frontend on my laptop
00:00<overridex>and stream the shows over my network from my backend box
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00:01<hadees>you would need an lcd, from what i was told all i need to do is start mythtv up while running LCDd
00:01<hadees>LCDd works, i used some other stuff with it so it has to be a mythtv problem
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00:03<overridex>hadees: what's the problem?
00:04<hadees>well mythtv is supposed to contain a lcdproc client, which in turns talks to the daemon LCDd and displays things on my lcd screen
00:05<hadees>but when i start mythtv nothing happens on the lcd screen
00:05<Chutt>you have to configure it.
00:06<hadees>do you mean enable support when i compile mythtv?
00:06<hadees>or configure LCDd?
00:06<hadees>i did both
00:07<Chutt>configure support for it in the setup menus
00:08<Chutt>or in the database if no one ever got around to adding entries for it.
00:08<hadees>i didn't see anything in the menus, is there a doc that tells where to add it in the database?
00:08<tmk>chutt: are you using the poll() stuff yet?
00:10<Chutt>tmk, in my local tree
00:10<Chutt>which i can't commit until you do that ioctl patch :p
00:10<Chutt>hadees, no, it's understood that if you're using that feature, you're going to attempt to figure things out on your own, as it's completely unsupported.
00:11<hadees>Chutt: alright i'll snoop around the db thanks
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00:28<bbeattie>what's the mfd module or whatever it' called do?
00:28<Chutt>not much, yet.
00:29<bbeattie>what will/could it?
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00:39<hadees>i know mythlcd isn't support but just a quick question, according to the mythlcd readme it says the normal make mythtv and installing doesn't make mythlcd even if it is enabled in settings.pro
00:39<hadees>you have to go in an do make install to get mythlcd to install
00:39<hadees>is this still true? i know someone updated a bunch of stuff in mythlcd
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01:01<Chutt>hm
01:01<Chutt>going to have to add support for the neuros to mythmusic
01:14<tmk>oh?
01:14<overridex>Chutt: ah, you have one?
01:16<thor_>neuros?
01:16<Chutt>work got me one a while ago
01:17<Chutt>just got around to putting a newer beta firmware on it, and it finally plays my ogg -q7 files
01:17* thor_ is googling
01:17<Chutt>neurosaudio.com
01:18<thor_>ah yep, seen that before (must have been on slashdot at some point)
01:18<Chutt>yeah
01:18<Chutt>and probably in here, i mentioned it when i got mine
01:19<thor_>any idea what it runs/exposes ?
01:19<Chutt>i have that info somewhere
01:19<Chutt>can't find it, though
01:21<thor_>bah, website is full of MBA-speak
01:21<Chutt>heh, yeah
01:21<Chutt>to linux, it's just a usb mass storage device
01:21<Chutt>and there's a database file that needs to be updated for stuff to show up on the device
01:21<thor_>xml thingy
01:22<Chutt>yeah
01:22<Chutt>it's just using a general purpose dsp, iirc
01:22<thor_>and it exposes itself as just a device?
01:22<Chutt>dunno if i'd recommend it to anyone, though
01:22<thor_>no TCP/IP to anything ?
01:22<Chutt>it's, like, big and stuff
01:22<bbeattie>thor_: any word on the new mythdvd module?
01:23<thor_>bbeattie, new dvd module ?
01:23<Chutt>'course, the hisi stuff rocks, but that's only because i wrote it =)
01:23<thor_>eh?
01:23<bbeattie>thor_: the mythdvd module that you're re-writing
01:24<thor_>Chutt, ah ... yes heh
01:24<thor_>bbeattie, I've so over-scoped the problem that the dvd stuff may be the last part that gets written
01:24<bbeattie>oh ;)
01:25<thor_>why solve the occasional mtd segfault when you can redesign everything ....
01:25<thor_>:-)
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01:26<thor_>bbeattie, so far, it won't transcode a DVD, but it will expose you MMusic content to iTunes
01:26<thor_>your
01:27<bbeattie>thor_: nice,.. I need an itune
01:27<thor_>Chutt, somewhere between a storage device and an xml schema there has to be some sort of interface ... no?
01:27<Chutt>you just mount it
01:27<Chutt>the usb-storage module talks to the generic scsi layer
01:28<thor_>ah
01:29<thor_>device responds to low-level SCSI as a drive .... so how do you "push" new xml schemas
01:30<thor_>just copy them somwhere ?
01:30<bbeattie>Chutt: has much been discussed about having sessions in myth so one could have some module (tv, music, dvd, etc) and be able to create that session then go to another room(computer) and connect to that session and also watch/listen to that session? (and for being able to control sessions from other locations)?
01:44<thor_>Hey, myth got mentioned in a slashdot fp
01:44<thor_>(on second thought, that's probably a bad thing)
01:45<Chutt>bbeattie, nope
01:46<bbeattie>Chutt: would you ever consider letting myth getting into that state, or is that not what myth is designed for?
01:46<thor_>well ....
01:46<Chutt>sure, whatever
01:46<thor_>I'm not sure about video
01:47<thor_>nm
01:48<hadees>thor_: when you installed mythlcd did you have to go into the mythlcd dir and make it yourself?
01:48<thor_>hadees, yes
01:48<thor_>but mythlcd doesn't do anything
01:48<thor_>(it's a toy app)
01:49<Chutt>hadees, you need to set the LCDHost and LCDPort settings in the database.
01:49<thor_>by hand
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01:49<thor_>'cause the guy who wrote the original lcd stuff was a total idiot
01:51<Chutt>naw
01:51<Chutt>just never got around to putting those two things in a ui
01:51<thor_>yup
01:52<thor_>anyone put a packet sniffer on iTunes store stuff?
01:52<thor_>(not for nefarious reasons)
01:52<tmk>i would hope it's encrypted
01:52<thor_>would be nice to be able to buy from the iTunes store within myth
01:53<thor_>secrets don't work if the secret holder doesn't want to keep them secret
01:53<Chutt>tmk, so when ya gonna commit that ioctl stuff? =)
01:53* Chutt becomes a pest
01:53<tmk>when i get myth compiling again
01:53<tmk>Mr. "Qt 3.1 required"
01:53<Chutt>bah
01:53<Chutt>i upgraded in like 20 minutes
01:54<thor_>tmk, check your calendar
01:54<Chutt>on my rh 8 box
01:54<tmk>i installed the qt 3.1 rpm
01:54<tmk>it said 'you need glibc 3.2 or something'
01:54<tmk>i install that
01:54<tmk>it says 'segfualt'
01:54* thor_ takes odd pleasure in the fact that someone who hand crafted a device driver can't seem to deal with a Qt upgrade
01:55<tmk>i blame redhat for not making packages suitable for hr8
01:55<tmk>err rh8
01:55<Chutt>yeah
01:55<Chutt>rh8's ancient, though
01:55<thor_>packages?
01:55<tmk>yeah yeah
01:55<Chutt>so's qt 3.0 =)
01:55<tmk>thor: i tried compiling it by hand
01:55<tmk>that went even less well
01:55<thor_>really?
01:56<tmk>yeah, it's not meant for self-compilation i guess
01:56<Chutt>10 GB isn't exactly quick to send over usb1
01:56<Chutt>.....
01:56<thor_>I've never run Qt without compiling it
01:56<Chutt>tmk, the main issue is that debian unstable upgraded to a newer glibc
01:56<thor_>but I'm an idiot
01:56<Chutt>and so now _i_ need those ioctl changes for stuff to compile =)
01:56<tmk>thor: could be redhat 8 too
01:57<tmk>i'll try and see if redhat 9 will install cleanly
01:57<Chutt>but i can't commit them because they break the driver execution
01:57<tmk>can't you just change the ioctl defs back?
01:57<Chutt>every time i make a commit, yeah
01:58<tmk>well keep bugging me. it's getting more annoying :)
01:58<Chutt>heh
01:58<Chutt>ok =)
01:58<Chutt>mr. sizeof(sizeof(struct))
01:59<tmk>ahem
01:59<tmk>that was matt
01:59<Chutt>ah, true
02:00<thor_>btw ... speaking of struct's ...
02:00<thor_>I was working with daaplib ....
02:00<thor_>and saw methods in structs
02:01<Chutt>he
02:01<thor_>(which I didn't think you could do)
02:01<thor_>... and then I got to thinking about name mangling ...
02:01<thor_>.... is the only difference between class and struct overloading and polymorphism ?
02:02<Chutt>nope
02:02<thor_>ok ...
02:02<Chutt>in c++, only difference is the different default access level, i believe
02:02<thor_>you can't overload a C struct, can you?
02:02<Chutt>naw
02:03<thor_>but in just C++ land, the only difference are the public: private: stuff ?
02:03<Chutt>think so
02:04<thor_>so .... there should actually be more structs in C++
02:04<thor_>and less set()'s and get()'s ?
02:04<Chutt>naw
02:04<Chutt>keeping data members private is a good thing
02:05<thor_>but if all you have is a bunch of structures that the object gives out pointers to via get()'s, why bother ?
02:06<thor_>(... this is not an entirely academic question ... )
02:06<Chutt>well
02:06<Chutt>i generally don't use too many data-storage only types
02:06<thor_>yup, ok
02:07<thor_>but if you something (like a ** metadata ** class) which doesn't do anything
02:07<Chutt>it doesn't write to the db?
02:07<Chutt>or other stuff?
02:08<thor_>ah, yes, in fact it does
02:08<Chutt>so it'll have some member functions
02:08<Chutt>so i'd make it a class =)
02:08<thor_>here endeth the lesson
02:08<Chutt>and access functions just abstract the underlying type away from the user of the class is all
02:09<thor_>eh?
02:10<thor_>all my access functions have a little type thing on the left hand side .... ?
02:10<thor_>ah
02:10<thor_>nm
02:10<Chutt>yeah, but those can conceivably be different than the type in the class
02:10<thor_>yup
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02:11<thor_>so between C and C++, polymorphism?
02:11<Chutt>hm?
02:11<hadees>i got it working, thanks for helping Chutt and thor
02:12<hadees>it's better than i thought it would be
02:12<thor_>what says, "this is something can compile in C" versus "this needs C++"?
02:12<thor_>hadees, cool
02:13<Chutt>you can do everything in c that you can in c++
02:13<Chutt>c++ is just better =)
02:13<thor_>hmmm
02:13<Chutt>'course, most linux kiddies will violently disagree with that
02:14<thor_>well, define "do" everything
02:14<thor_>everything is a Turing machine (that much, at least, I do understand)
02:14<Chutt>well, like inheritance and stuff
02:15<Chutt>polymorphism if you want
02:15<thor_>overloading ?
02:15<thor_>ah
02:15<thor_>ah
02:15<thor_>I know
02:15<thor_>new
02:15<hadees>Have you ever used lisp? now thats a wierd lang
02:15<Chutt>have to do it explicitly
02:16<Chutt>or make a 'create X' function
02:16<Chutt>etc
02:16<thor_>well, we're back to splitting hairs then on mathematical notions of "computation"
02:19<thor_>hadees, btw ... if you run ntp on the machine you just got the lcd stuff working on, that will almost certainly be the most accurate clock in your house.
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02:38<hadees>thor_: hehe, btw thanks again for all your help, now that i finaly have a working system i hope i will be able to contribute somthing back
02:47<thor_>well ... you could start by adding a settings dialog for LCDHost and LCDPort ....
02:48<hadees>yeah i was actully thinking about that
02:48<hadees>would be nice to have instead of having to do sql statments
02:49<Chutt>it'd be easy to do
02:49<Chutt>too
02:49<thor_>yup
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02:53<bline>evening
02:53<thor_>heh
02:57<Chutt>damn annoying blips in the audio
02:59<thor_>eh?
02:59<Chutt>the ogg decoder on the neuros isn't quite right
02:59<Chutt>there's the occasional blip in the decoded audio
02:59<thor_>ah, on the neuros
03:00<Chutt>i've been playing with different pre-beta firmware revisions
03:00<thor_>well ... what's doing the decoding ...
03:00<Chutt>wife's taking the thing on a business trip tomorrow, wanted to get things better
03:00<thor_>heh
03:00<Chutt>never finished putting music on it before, since it didn't play oggs at all
03:01<Chutt>only had a couple ogg->mp3 transcodes
03:01<thor_>well, what kind of control do you have?
03:01<thor_>what OS is it running?
03:02<Chutt>some embedded stuff
03:02<Chutt>i don't have access to the firmware source or anything
03:02<thor_>ah
03:03<thor_>but it can "pick up" a new decoder?
03:03<Chutt>yeah
03:03<thor_>larger buffer?
03:03<Chutt>they've added .ogg, .wma, and .wav since the thing was released
03:03<Chutt>i don't think it's a buffering issue
03:03<Chutt>sounds like an overrun in the decoder
03:03<thor_>not spaces, actual noise?
03:03<Chutt>yeah
03:04<thor_>crappy wiring and/or headphones ?
03:04<Chutt>naw
03:04<Chutt>decoder issue
03:04<Chutt>different firmware revisions are better/worse at it =)
03:04<thor_>ah
03:04<thor_>not wiring
03:04<Chutt>think the dsp is just borderline to doing the decoding
03:05<thor_>(this is odd, my wife's on a business trip, and I ripped her some DVD content before she left)
03:05<Chutt>heh
03:05<thor_>if you (pre-)decode the ogg to WAV, better?
03:05<Chutt>dunno
03:05<Chutt>don't really want to spend more time on this =)
03:06<Chutt>been futzing with it for 5 or 6 hours now
03:06<Chutt>it's pretty good now, except for playing oggs through the radio transmitter
03:07<thor_>hmmmm ... myth Syncing seamlessly to iPod via tv or desktop application ....
03:07<thor_>or any other device that supports zeroconfig discovery of audio services
03:08<Chutt>I have a new fake mail name!
03:08<Chutt>new worm?
03:08<thor_>eh?
03:08<Chutt>gotten a couple emails in the past few minutes with that as the first line
03:09<thor_>nope, not yet
03:09<bline>whats with that last commit heh
03:09<thor_>just some quotes
03:09<thor_>the Torvalds one is actually superb!
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03:16<thor_>is there actually no ioctl on audio devices than can explain whether the device accepts multiple opens?
03:23<bline>if there is, I've never seen it.
03:27<thor_>KDE actually asks the user if their device is "Full Duplex" ... which is not promising
03:40<yebyen>yarr!
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03:52<thor_>yebyen, give it up
03:53<yebyen>thor_: what part :)
03:54<thor_>the friggin talkin like a pirate thing
03:54<thor_>it was like 3 months ago
04:12<tmk>i was doing it way before then
04:13<bline>lies
04:13<tmk>thor: drivers shouldn't handle multiple opens for same data
04:13<tmk>that should be proxyd by a userspace program
04:13<tmk>sup bline
04:14<bline>up too late
04:17<tmk>yeah i need bed now too
04:17<tmk>matrix tomorrow
04:17<tmk>work's paying
04:17<tmk>woo
04:17<bline>can't wait
04:17<tmk>it better not suck (like #2)
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04:17<bline>it wasn't that bad
04:18<thor_>not driver
04:18<thor_>driver request ...
04:18<thor_>can I open this *thing* ?
04:18<tmk>eh?
04:18<bline>he?
04:19<thor_>hey
04:19<thor_>I know nothing about programming ...
04:19<thor_>just wanting to know
04:19<tmk>just look in the open() function that it registers with fops
04:19<tmk>if it has logic to deny multiple opens
04:19<thor_>yes,
04:19<thor_>yes
04:20<tmk>then it's not allowed :)
04:20<thor_>look, I refuse to understand anything explained by someone who can't install a Qt library
04:20<tmk>anything not denied is allowed (please don't use that logic on ivtv tho, it'll break things ;)
04:20<tmk>bah
04:21<thor_>tmk, you still in BC?
04:22<bline>BC?
04:22<tmk>never was
04:22<tmk>i'm in california
04:22<bline>I'm in BC
04:22<tmk>well, i've been to vancouver
04:22<thor_>oh crap, never mind
04:22<tmk>but only once
04:22<tmk>or somewhere north of surrey
04:23<thor_>hang on,
04:23<thor_>tmk, you're on the west coast somewhere, no?
04:23<tmk>i'm in california
04:24<thor_>bline, yeah ... i was thinking of you ...
04:24<tmk>where it's late and i need to sleep
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04:24<thor_>tmk, yup
04:24<bline>aww, nice to know you think of me ;)
04:24<tmk>nite
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04:26<thor_>bline, right ... vancouver ... no?
04:26<bline>yesh :)
04:26<bline>yeah even
04:26<thor_>back to school, yes?
04:26<bline>no, I work
04:26<thor_>ah, sorry
04:27<bline>not from here, from Louisiana
04:27<thor_>eh?
04:28<bline>on a work authorization here
04:29<thor_>ah .... yes ... sorry, I do recall now
04:29<bline>heh
04:29<bline>no big deal
04:29<thor_>how are things?
04:29<bline>good
04:31<thor_>hear the Daily Show is on CTV now?
04:31<bline>only watch what I record on myth, so no
04:31<bline>spend too much time programming
04:32<thor_>yup
04:32<thor_>still, it's the one 30 minutes of tv I watch mon-thu
04:33<thor_>"check you local listings" for CTV, I think it's supposed to be broadcast at 12:00 am
04:33<thor_>obviously, after Floyd Rubbernuts
04:36<bline>I'm up at random hours, I don't have a set work period
04:36<bline>thus the reason I use myth
04:36<thor_>yup
04:36<bline>that and mythmusic kicks ass
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04:37<thor_>and you can now hear it through iTunes ...
04:37<bline>and mythvideo is nice, been collecting movies since I found it
04:38<bline>what is iTunes? :)
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04:38<thor_>Apple application
04:38<bline>ahh, never used a mac
04:39<thor_>you can download a copy for Windows
04:39<o_cee>iTunes is for windows as well, or what are you talking about :)
04:39<thor_>yup
04:39<thor_>main point ...
04:39<thor_>is somewhat ironic
04:39<thor_>Apple has laid down a very nice gauntlet for werving content over a network
04:40<thor_>s/werving/serving/
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04:40<thor_>but then, at the last moment, ...
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04:41<thor_>they left their protocol not only closed, but totally undocumented
04:41<bline>weren't you workin on frontend communication at one point?
04:41<thor_>yup
04:41<bline>what ever happened with that?
04:42<thor_>the mfd directory in myth CVS
04:42<bline>I have a touch screen I'd like to use
04:43<thor_>yeah, ....
04:43<bline>...
04:43<bline>heh
04:43<thor_>lots of people do
04:43<thor_>including Chutt
04:44<bline>I'd do the work if I wasn't so busy :(
04:44<thor_>(he has a Zaurus, which is the same problem)
04:45<thor_>well ...
04:45<thor_>none of this is going to happen tommorrow, ....
04:45<thor_>but one general idea is that serving content should be divorced from the GUI
04:46<thor_>oh crap
04:47<thor_>it's almost 5 am here
04:47<thor_>time to sleep
04:47<bline>2am here
04:47<bline>night
04:47<thor_>yup
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05:17<bline>Hmm
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06:37<o_cee>weh, now i've ordered my receiver, dvd and speakers.. :)
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09:13<o_cee>anyone using intel8x0 spdif?
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09:25<ay>Hi.
09:26<ay>Is there any way to get rid of the popup asking about the backendserver when only running mythfrontend from cvs?
09:27<ay>I only use the programguide of the tv-part
09:29<o_cee>uh?
09:29<o_cee>just run mythepg instead?
09:29<o_cee>but the epg required the backend
09:30<o_cee>requires
09:30<ay>I use all of mythtv except the tv-recording part.
09:30<ay>What is mythepg?
09:31<o_cee>that's just the epg
09:32<o_cee>but it won't complain about the backend unless it needs the backend.
09:32<duende>make
09:33<ay>o_cee: mythfrontend didn't complain earlier. It's just cvs now.
09:33<ay>I might have configured something that triggers it... *check*
09:33<o_cee>when do you get a message about it then?
09:37<ay>"Can't connect to the backend server, is the ip correct...."
09:38<ay>I get it popping up in all applications every 3 seconds.
09:41<o_cee>strange. i dunno, never seen it
09:43<o_cee>hmm, doesn't seem like the spdif will work with alsa oss emulation.. wich means i have to go to native alsa again.. ah well, it might work better this time maybe ;)
09:49<ay>Dropping the database and reinit it worked.
09:52<o_cee>hmm, latest alsa is 0.9.8, but gentoos portage has 0.9.2 as latest stable release..
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10:05<kvandivo>works fine for me
10:11<mikegrb>so this new filters stuff
10:11<mikegrb>agh phone
10:13<mikegrb>looks spiffy
10:13<mikegrb>I'm looking fwd to it
10:15* mikegrb finally got xbox alive again :)
10:16<poo>mikegrb: nice
10:17* mikegrb shouldn't play with dev bioses with at an emergency contingency plan
10:17<mikegrb>er
10:17<mikegrb>s/with at/without/
10:18* mikegrb is a little out of it due to pills
10:23<kvandivo>i'm close to making the jump to grabbing another xbox. walmart.com is running a deal right now.. the box, mech assault, and splinter cell, for $180
10:24-!-warlord-afk is now known as warlord
10:24<warlord>didn't M$ fix the "hole" that allowed you to install Linux on the xbox?
10:24<kvandivo>only if you allow the new bios to be put on it
10:25<warlord>don't new boxes come with the new bios?
10:25<kvandivo>i seriously doubt it (yet)
10:25<kvandivo>the box i bought off the shelf 3 or 4 months ago was actually produced a year and a half ago
10:26<warlord>Hmm
10:26<kvandivo>mikegrb might have some data from the xb-lin proj about whether or not there are any boxes shipping with the new bios.. but i'd firmly bet my retirement on no at the current time
10:27<kvandivo>(not that i'm actually going to do that. ;-p )
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10:47<mikegrb>kvandivo: yha xboxes in usa generally have the largest gap between manufacture and purchase
10:47<mikegrb>suprised me a bit b/c I expected it to be the other way around
10:48<mikegrb>the biggest problem right now is the video encoder that handles vga -> tv
10:49<mikegrb>the new boxes have a focus chip wheras older ones use a conexant, there will be a new xboxfb driver checked in to cvs in the next few days, the guy working on it calls it a dirty hack and he wants to clean it up a bit before exposing it the world
10:58<kvandivo>but they have it? great!
11:00<mikegrb>right
11:00<mikegrb>um the other problem was newer live dashes don't work with the mechinstaller game save auto installation doobie
11:01<kvandivo>ya.. actually, when I said 'only if you allow the new bios' i meant 'new dash'
11:02<kvandivo>actually, the whole time i was saying 'bios', i meant dash. ;)
11:02<mikegrb>but if you use a different method you should be okay, also you can copy the dash from your existing xbox
11:02<mikegrb>heh np
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11:02<mikegrb>that being the advantage of having two
11:02<mikegrb>a new xbox is prob 50/50 focus if you just pull it off the shelf
11:03<mikegrb>if you try to grab an older one you obviosly have a better chance... and you can see manufacture date through the box
11:03<farce>roomie is gonna pick one up today...
11:03<mikegrb>:)
11:03<kvandivo>walmart.com.. that deal i mentioned is the best i know of for non-used hardwarer
11:03<farce>will be the 5th i've modded
11:04<kvandivo>mech assault and splinter cell is a better selection than tetris and clone wars, if you ask me
11:04<mikegrb>there is a great channl on irc.oftc.net, #xbox-linux though I'm a bit partial ;)
11:04<farce>kvandivo: that's certainly a good deal... know of any that throw in an extra controller?
11:05<kvandivo>Sams has a deal, but it isn't real good right now
11:05<kvandivo>$240 for extra controller, dvd remote, blinx, sega gt and jetset radio future
11:06<farce>hrm. doubt he'll go for that one.
11:06<kvandivo>i wouldn't.
11:06<kvandivo>:)
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12:24<ay>How do you ajust the overscan on the xbox again.... nvtv or something else?
12:26<warlord>w00t -- my -350 arrived today (6 days early)
12:26<sfr>warlord: You missed that: <warlord> Now I get to figure out what I need to get it all working.
12:26<sfr><warlord> Ooh, and looks like the default # of max cards was increased from 3 -> 9
12:26<sfr> :)
12:27<warlord>sfr: what did I miss?
12:28<sfr>warlord: see #ivtv-dev ;)
12:28<warlord>Oh, you mean by not copying that in this channel, too??
12:28<warlord>:-P
12:28<warlord>anyways, gotta run..
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12:34<Chutt>geez
12:34<Chutt>there are a _lot_ of dumb people on the ivtv lists lately
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12:39<sfr>just remove support for the pvr in mythtv and that will change quickly.
12:40<Chutt>i like using 'magically' in emails
12:40<mikegrb>hahah
12:41<mikegrb>ay: 'xbv'
12:43<Chutt>'mythtv won't run if i don't startx!@#!@#!@#
12:43<Chutt>no shit, sherlock
12:46<kvandivo>you mean you didn't code an entire graphical subsystem into myth? sounds like an incomplete product to me
12:46<mikegrb>indeed
12:48<Chutt>i wonder what it'd take to fix the palette of the ivtv-fb driver for console mode
12:49<kvandivo>speaking of which, I've noticed that mythtv won't run for me if I install everything to c:\mythtv and try start mythtv.exe (in the programs\mythtv directory ) from a DOS prompt. Someone obviously didn't code something right
12:49<mikegrb>there was a guy in here yesterday who wants to make mythtv work in framebuffer
12:49<Chutt>it's not difficult
12:50<Chutt>it compiles against qt/e
12:50<mikegrb>wouldn't think it would be with the ivtv stuff
12:50<Chutt>just need a output method
12:50<sfr>kvandivo: you need to click on that small tv icon on your desktop
12:50<Chutt>and if you're using the pvr-350, that's already taken care of
12:50<mikegrb>he was looking at the differences between mplayer xv and mplayer directfb
12:50<kvandivo>desktop? what's that? I'm trying it from DOS 5.0
12:50<mikegrb>heh
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12:51<mikegrb>kvandivo: that's the problem it requires dos 6.0
12:51<mikegrb>or 6.2
12:51<kvandivo>actually (wink wink) i think it's a problem with the documentation. that's got to me it
12:51<Chutt>hmm
12:51<Chutt>i wonder how well that mythbrowser stuff works on the baen ebooks
12:51<sfr>kvandivo: ah. that explains things. you probably have only 640kb of RAM. you need to upgrade to 1MB or more. or use the loadhigh option to free some memory.
12:52<kvandivo>but i was told I'd never need more than 640k.
12:52<sfr>s/or/and
12:52<mikegrb>kvandivo: yes the docs should be fixed to properly reflect the requirments
12:53<sfr>kvandivo: 'never' ended 3 years ago. since that you'll never need more than 64MB, i promise.
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14:05<gulliver>hi all
14:05<kvandivo>back from your travels?
14:05<gulliver>someone here who is using myth in germany?
14:06<sfr>yes
14:07<gulliver>sfr: do you have a working epg source?
14:08<sfr>yes. http://www.bucksch.org/1/projects/various/xmltv
14:09<gulliver>thanks
14:09<gulliver>what TV-card are you using?
14:09<sfr>gulliver: or use nxtvepg
14:09<sfr>a pvr350 and a matrox g400-tv
14:10<gulliver>nxtvepg isn't possible with the pvr-250/350, due to a lack of vbi-support in the drivers, isit?
14:10<sfr>gulliver: right.
14:11<gulliver>sfr: do you know, if there's currently some development effort for the vbi-part?
14:12<sfr>no
14:12<gulliver>and one more question: as far as I can remember hauppauge produces an oem-card based on the pvr-250 card, but with some more features... it has a own name.
14:13<gulliver>do you know what it's called?
14:13<sfr>please insert coin to buy another 3 answers ;)
14:14<gulliver>sorry, but I can't find a slot (c;
14:14<sfr>something like freestyle iirc
14:14<gulliver>ah thanks - freestyle was it (c:
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15:51<thor_>cvs down ...
15:51<thor_>?
15:52<Chutt>shouldn't be
15:52<sfr>viewcvs works here
15:52<Chutt>i just did an update
15:53<kvandivo>I like that.... 'shouldn't be'
15:53<kvandivo>The ISS falling into the ocean right now? shouldn't be
15:54<kvandivo>update just worked for me as well. sounds like a personal problem, thor
15:54<sfr>cvs doesn't like thor today. shouldn't be
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15:59<o_cee>would be neat if myth would show a warning when pressing M when watching a recording, saying that the EPG isn't availible when watching a recordong.. got the the TV and couldn't understand why the EPG wouldn't open up :)
16:00<sfr>why not display a BIG, FAT 'R' in one corner while watching recordings? ;)
16:03<hadees>anyone here is the visor display? i love it but some of screen are imposible to read
16:21<hadees>anyone have a problem pressing your pause button? i press pause and it pauses really quick then unpauses
16:21<thor_>nm
16:21<hadees>i know it's a remote problem but i have had my repeat setting from 0-5
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16:30<thor_>heh
16:30<th16:32<hadees> who is graeme?
16:33<thor_>some idiot who has posted (more or less) the same message ... 5 times now I think
16:34<hadees>thor_: you ever seen netremote.org, cool program, just doesn't work with linux yet...
16:36<hadees>the best part about it is talks to the computer through wireless internet
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16:41<Chutt>grame's gone again
16:41<Chutt>graeme, rather
16:42<thor_>was wondering why the e-mail address changed ...
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16:44<Chutt>because i disallowed subscriptions from his old one =)
16:44<Chutt>and i just did that to the new one
16:45<o_cee>btw.. i noticed strangeness today when stopping a recording.. it kept recording it, but the frontend (watch recs) said it didn't. i restarted the backend, it recorded once again, but still watch recs said it wasn't..
16:45<o_cee>also deleted it, but it didn't help. had to remove the sched
16:49<o_cee>should be reproducable, it's happened before as well. anyway, g'night all!
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18:46<ByteNik>Anyone here have an HD-2000 (pcHDTV card)
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18:49<ByteNik>D-side... nice weather we're having here. :P
18:50<D-side>heh.
18:50<D-side>i just drove back from Red Bank.
18:50<ByteNik>Where do you live? I'm in Holmdel
18:50<D-side>EB.
18:50<ByteNik>ah
18:50<ByteNik>Not too far.
18:50<D-side>you know if they fixed the 520 bridge yet?
18:50<D-side>heh what an asinine conversation this is, for this channel
18:51<ByteNik>Don't think so. Yah. :P
18:51<ByteNik>You wouldn't happen to have an HDTV / HDTV tuner card would you?
18:51<D-side>no not at all.
18:51<D-side>it'd be nice though
18:51<ByteNik>I want to know if the weather is the reason I don't get any HDTV channels
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18:51<ByteNik>I think its drivers tho
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18:51<D-side>cant be weather.
18:52<D-side>its not like its satellite.
18:52<D-side>not enough channels on HD to make it worth it to me yet.
18:52<ByteNik>We get 15 or so
18:53<ByteNik>brb
18:53<ByteNik>going to get a wire to plug into an NTSC TV. :P
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19:07<D-side>warlord: welcome back.
19:13<warlord>ty
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19:19<warlord>Got my -350 installed...
19:19<warlord>it's working as an encoder.
19:19<warlord>Next task is to get it working as an output/decoder...
19:20<warlord>(wish there were an HOWTO on that)
19:21<D-side>i'm considering a 250.
19:21<warlord>I've now got 3 250s and 1 350
19:21<D-side>the 350 is the 250 with the outputs, right?
19:21<warlord>(and the scary thing is that all four are scheduled at 9pm tonight!)
19:21<D-side>3? jesus. wanna sell me one cheap? :)
19:21<warlord>Yea.
19:21<warlord>No, dont want to sell -- I'm using them!
19:21<D-side>wow good for you.
19:22<D-side>i'm only using my wintv for the composite input... tuning with the digital cable box.
19:22<D-side>if i had four cable boxes stacked up i might do the same as you. :)
19:22<warlord>Well, I can tune 2-97 via analog.
19:23<warlord>I only need the box for 100-151 + pay channels.
19:23<D-side>indeed.
19:24<FryGuy>does anyone know about sweedish girlfriends showering?
19:25<warlord>I dont have a sweedish girlfriend, but if I did I would hope that she showered frequently...
19:25<D-side>with you.
19:25<FryGuy>heh well i just saw a comment in the cvs patch history about them :)
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19:26<FryGuy>"Thor now (barely) understands the subtle value of shared libraries in a
19:26<FryGuy>plugin context. All those involved in debugging this problem would (with an
19:26<FryGuy>absolute minimum of emphasis) urge ocee to cease and desist in describing
19:26<FryGuy>(1) the existence of his [alleged] (swedish girlfriend), and (2), the extent
19:26<FryGuy>to which he showers, either with or without her.
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19:27<warlord>LOL. Oh, that's just o_cee...
19:30<FryGuy>*sigh* i wish I could figure out why my mythtv keeps doing this :/
19:32<warlord>where "this" is...??
19:32<FryGuy>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/perl/mailarc/gforum.cgi?post=87296;search_string=stopping;guest=1507203&t=search_engine#87296
19:33<warlord>No clue
19:34<FryGuy>it's in the "stuck" state right now and fuser looks like this:
19:34<FryGuy>fryguy@linux:~> fuser -u /dev/video1
19:34<FryGuy>769 13769m(fryguy) 13770 13770m(fryguy) 13771 13771m(fryguy)
19:34<FryGuy>fryguy@linux:~> fuser -u /dev/video0
19:34<FryGuy>dev/video1: 9941 9941m(fryguy) 9951 9951m(fryguy) 9952 9952m(fryguy) 9954 9954m(fryguy) 9955 9955m(fryguy) 9956 9956m(fryguy) 9957 9957m(fryguy) 9958 9958m(fryguy) 9959 9959m(fryguy) 9960 9960m(fryguy) 9961 9961m(fryguy) 9962 9962m(fryguy) 13507 13507m(fryguy) 13695 13695m(fryguy) 13698 13698m(fryguy) 13763 13763m(fryguy) 13765 13765m(fryguy) 13768 13768m(fryguy) 137
19:34<FryGuy>69 13769m(fryguy) 13770 13770m(fryguy) 13771 13771m(fryguy)
19:35<FryGuy>er
19:35<FryGuy>nothing on /dev/video0 and a ton on /dev/video1
19:35<warlord>maybe chutt can help you.
19:36<FryGuy>maybe
19:36<FryGuy>chutt doesn't seem to like helping people in here though
19:36<warlord>Well, you do have to somewhat help yourself..
19:36<warlord>figure out what it's doing
19:36<warlord>get a backtrace of the frontend and backend
19:37<FryGuy>it _seems_ to be that it's trying to open /dev/video0 and it is "in use", but it's not really
19:37<FryGuy>can you do backtraces without it crashing?
19:38<warlord>Yea, gdb attach
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19:38<FryGuy>i thought it had to segfault to backtrace
19:38<warlord>Not at alL!
19:38<FryGuy>which backend process should I attach it to though?
19:38<FryGuy>there's like 20
19:38<warlord>What do you mean?
19:39<warlord>they are all threads of the same process. But I'd suggest the one with the lowest pid
19:41<FryGuy>hmm
19:41<FryGuy>does this look right?
19:42<FryGuy>0x40b899c6 in nanosleep () from /lib/libc.so.6
19:42<FryGuy>after loading all the libraries
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19:46<warlord>read the FAQ on "how to debug with gdb"
19:48<FryGuy>ok
19:53<FryGuy>i think this is the problem..
19:53<FryGuy>actually
19:53<FryGuy>i can recompile
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21:14<poo>hey do any of the ATI cards have linux drivers which support full screen mpg2 hardware decode?
21:14<tmk>no
21:15<poo>boner.. nvidia hasnt worked that out either..
21:15<poo>when will these guys get their collective acts together?
21:16<warlord>wow, my frontend just died.. no core dump. Weird.
21:17<warlord>Ooh, it just did it again!
21:27<warlord>Hmm, it seems that the backend stopped recording one of my shows after a very short period of time.
21:27<warlord>I got this file:
21:27<warlord>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 454592 Nov 5 21:00 1010_20031105210000_20031105220000.nuv
21:27<warlord>(which is supposed to be recording right now)
21:28<warlord>the other recordings are all working just fine.
21:28<warlord>Nothing in the logs, either:
21:28<warlord>2003-11-05 19:59:01 Started recording "Ed" on channel: 1007 on cardid: 1, sourceid 1
21:28<warlord>2003-11-05 19:59:02 Changing from None to RecordingOnly
21:28<warlord>2003-11-05 20:29:04 MainServer::HandleAnnounce Playback
21:28<warlord>2003-11-05 20:29:04 adding: mythtv.ihtfp.org as a player 0
21:28<warlord>2003-11-05 20:59:01 Started recording "The West Wing" on channel: 1007 on cardid: 2, sourceid 1
21:28<warlord>2003-11-05 20:59:01 Changing from None to RecordingOnly
21:28<warlord>2003-11-05 20:59:29 Started recording "Jake 2.0" on channel: 1011 on cardid: 3, sourceid 1
21:28<warlord>2003-11-05 20:59:29 Started recording "The O.C." on channel: 1006 on cardid: 4, sourceid 1
21:28<warlord>2003-11-05 20:59:30 Changing from None to RecordingOnly
21:28<warlord>2003-11-05 20:59:30 Changing from None to RecordingOnly
21:28<warlord>2003-11-05 21:00:02 Changing from RecordingOnly to None
21:28<warlord>2003-11-05 21:00:07 Started recording "Angel" on channel: 1010 on cardid: 1, sourceid 1
21:28<warlord>2003-11-05 21:00:07 Changing from None to RecordingOnly
21:28<warlord>2003-11-05 21:00:08 Found changes in the todo list.
21:28<warlord>(it's Angel that died immediately)
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21:38<Octane>can someone here help me get alsa working
21:38<Octane>rh9, sb live
21:38<Octane>[root@mythtv mythtv]# /sbin/modprobe snd-emu10k1
21:38<Octane>/lib/modules/2.4.20-20_29.rh9.at/updates/sound/snd-emu10k1.o: init_module: No such device
21:38<Octane>Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including invalid IO or IRQ parameters.
21:38<Octane>You may find more information in syslog or the output from dmesg
21:38<Octane>/lib/modules/2.4.20-20_29.rh9.at/updates/sound/snd-emu10k1.o: insmod /lib/modules/2.4.20-20_29.rh9.at/updates/sound/snd-emu10k1.o failed
21:38<Octane>/lib/modules/2.4.20-20_29.rh9.at/updates/sound/snd-emu10k1.o: insmod snd-emu10k1 failed
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22:05<tmk>chutt: upgrading to rh9 now. I'll let you know how it goes
22:05<tmk>thor you keep quiet
22:05<tmk>oct: dmesg will tell you more
22:05<FryGuy>yay
22:05<FryGuy>who can I send a patch to?
22:07<Octane>its not telling me anything
22:07<Octane>i tried taking out alsa stuff from modules.conf
22:07<Octane>and leave what rh89 detected
22:07<Octane>and now i see the mixer
22:07<Octane>but aplay doesnt work and all i get is hissing from the speakers
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22:14<Octane>fucking alsa
22:15<D-side>thats one way to go about installing it...
22:16<Octane>lol
22:16<Octane>its like a million years old
22:16<D-side>eh?
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22:54<D-side>well this is interesting.
22:54<D-side>the mixer levels show them as even, but the audio is louder out of the right channel. odd.
23:01<Chutt>david engel doesn't happen to be in here, right?
23:13<kvandivo>grrr.. these Waiting 2 seconds for data to become available hangs are getting annoying
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23:14<warlord>Chutt: apparantly not.
23:14<kvandivo>does it matter which process you attach gdb to, or do they all share the same threads?
23:14<kvandivo>ie., i've got 15 mythbackend processes
23:18<kvandivo>the hangs all seem to occur when i'm skipping forward or backward
23:20<warlord>kvandivo: and it's always a waiting 2 seconds?
23:21<kvandivo>that's the one i'm getting tonight. i can't even watch fear factor (except straight through). I made it to minute 17 and I can't get back there again (by skipping) without it locking up on me)
23:22<warlord>Are you sure you've got DMA turned on?
23:22<tmk>warlord: it''s a known issue
23:23<warlord>it is?
23:25<kvandivo>warlord, to answer your question, I _did_ have dma turned on.. I've hda my drives under LVM for a few months now, and hdparm doesn't seem to return useful info now that I've done that..
23:26<warlord>Ah
23:26<warlord>Hmm
23:31<warlord>I certainly had a bunch of hangs from FF/REW until I fixed the avformatdecoder.. But that was a different issue than this one.
23:32<tmk>chutt: it appears i have upgraded to 9.0 sucessfully
23:33<tmk>and qt3.1 with it
23:35<Octane>can someone pelase help me with alsa
23:35<Octane>i did everything ht edocs say!
23:37<warlord>tmk: be warned that debugging myth on RH9 is nigh impossible due to the new threading model not being completely supported by gdb
23:37<Octane>i should have installed debian
23:38<Octane>all i get is hissing from my speakers
23:38<tmk>war: well compiling it was impossible on rh8, so i figure i'm ahead
23:39<Octane>hello!
23:39<Octane>i have been trying for 4 hours
23:39<tmk>we can hear you dude
23:39<tmk>maybe we don't know the answer
23:39<tmk>go search the web or something
23:39<Octane>you didnt ask any questions
23:40<tmk>i do not exist here to help you install alsa
23:40<tmk>i've never done it myself
23:40<Octane>yes u do
23:40<Octane>jk im very freustrated sorry
23:43<warlord>tmk: Heh. it runs pretty well on RH9, except when it doesn't ;)
23:43* warlord doesn't use alsa, either
23:59<kvandivo>Octane: be sure to unmute ALL channels, not just one or two of them
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