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---Daychanged Mon Nov 10 2003
00:00<riksta>what program said that?
00:00<riksta>chmod +s to set to setuid
00:00<Netslayer>when i ran the mail command above as a user
00:00<riksta>hmm mail shouldnt need to be suid
00:01* Netslayer conspires about stupid mandrake
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00:11<Netslayer>any new features or anything in myth lately? hey is it easy to implement callerid now?
00:13<Chutt>callerid's in cvs
00:14<Netslayer>i was reading about that.. any idea where to look to see if my modem works? is caller id support available on all modems? hmm
00:14<Chutt>absolutely no idea
00:18* Captain_Murdoch has caller ID, it's answering the phone and going "Yeah, who is it?"
00:19<Netslayer>lol
00:20<Netslayer>u know what would be awesome.. if you could plug in a webcam, and have a mythPhone or something so two people can do video conferencing.. but chances are you don't talk to people that have myth setups
00:20<kimo_sabe>Netslayer: that would be sweet
00:21<Netslayer>what i want is a voice recognition system. Ya know for simple stuff, channel up, goto channel, power off, find programname
00:22<Netslayer>if my 10mhz cell phone can do it.. my 2700XP AMD should
00:25* Netslayer realizes his linux box will never be able to send email and gives up
00:27<bishop>live tv is pixalilated on my screen. any ideas? color is great. still scenes are great. but any fast movement loses clarity
00:29<bishop>also, i have a apex on both sides of my screen that curve inward right about in the middle. like something you would fix with monitor settings
00:29<Chutt>up your bitrate
00:31<bishop>i ran /usr/lib/ivtv/test_ioctl -f width=720,height=480. i thought that was max?
00:35<Netslayer>your overscan is probably too much over your screen so pixels on the edge are warping.. happens to me. If you see compression artifacts during high motion scenes and don't mind using more hd space up your bandwidth
00:36<Chutt>any recording settings you set with test_ioctl are overwritten by the settings in mythtv.
00:40<bishop>i don;t see options for changing bitrate in mythfrontend or mythtvsetup
00:41<Chutt>mythfrontend -> setup -> tv settings -> recording profiles
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01:03<kimo_sabe>bah, it doesn't like this saa7134 card.
01:05<mikegrb>well avidemux produced a good dvd format mpeg2 from mpeg4 nuv
01:05<mikegrb>no sound though
01:06<Chutt>heh
01:06<Chutt>funky
01:06<mikegrb>Chutt: nuv originally doesn't support compressed sound, that was one of the myth extensions right?
01:06<Chutt>-march=athlon-xp is about 50% slower than -march=pentiumpro on some work code
01:06<Chutt>mikegrb, rigt
01:06<Chutt>err, right
01:06<mikegrb>heh
01:07<mikegrb>this looks really nice though
01:07<mikegrb>for pvr users, will take a lot of steps out
01:07<mikegrb>the post that one guy made said use avidemux2 as the first step
01:07<Chutt>non-pvr
01:07<mikegrb>non-pvr?
01:08<mikegrb>I meant the pvr mpeg2 files, to convert them to dvd format
01:08<Chutt>ah
01:08<Chutt>well
01:08<Chutt>most anything can work on those, no?
01:08<mikegrb>the guy who posted to the list said use avidemux2 to split the audio and video
01:08<mikegrb>then go through mplex and stuff
01:08<mikegrb>but I found avidemux2 will use the mplex library and do everything itself
01:09<Chutt>ah
01:09<mikegrb>right, anything can work on them
01:09<mikegrb>avidemux2 is gui even which some people would like
01:09<Chutt>0.235 seconds vs. 0.327 seconds
01:09<Chutt>optimizations aren't always a good thing =)
01:09<mikegrb>heh
01:09<mikegrb>I just need to make it recognize the sound
01:10<mikegrb>nuv was originally mpeg4 only and you added rtjpeg support or the other way around?
01:10<Chutt>first is -O3 -march=pentiumpro, second is -O3 -march=athlon-xp, running both on my xp1800+
01:10<Chutt>nuv was rtjpeg, uncompressed audio
01:10<Chutt>but it had some hooks in the format for future expansion to other formats and compressed audio
01:10<mikegrb>well it got the mpeg4 video so that's a step in the right direction :)
01:10<Chutt>i expanded (a lot) on that
01:11<mikegrb>and myth always sets an aspect ratio of 1, I think I remember reading
01:11<mikegrb>well
01:11<Chutt>yup
01:11<mikegrb>for non dvb/hdtv anyway
01:12<Chutt>heh
01:12<Chutt>-O3 -march=pentiumpro -mmmx -msse -fomit-frame-pointer -malign-double -m128bit-long-double -maccumulate-outgoing-args -fomit-frame-pointer -ffast-math -funroll-loops
01:12<Chutt>0.326069 seconds
01:12<mikegrb>heh
01:12<Chutt>ah, the wonders of compiler optimizations
01:13<Chiphead-xchat>.away
01:13<mikegrb> Editor :Audio streamer initialized
01:13<mikegrb> Audio codec: WAV
01:13<mikegrb>heh
01:13<Chiphead-xchat>evening guys
01:13<mikegrb>not right
01:13<mikegrb>howdy Chiphead-xchat
01:14<Chiphead-xchat>oops must have been dropped sometime today
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01:15<mikegrb>Chutt: off hand does 1536 kbps sound in the right ballpark for mp3 quality setting 8
01:16<Chutt>nope
01:16<mikegrb>I might give uncompressed audio in myth a go
01:16<Chutt>should be 128kbps
01:16<mikegrb>but it actually sounds better compressed
01:16<Chutt>or 96
01:16<Chutt>i think
01:16<mikegrb>okay
01:16<Chutt>or maybe double those
01:16<Chutt>i don't remember what i have it set to
01:16<Chiphead>or even 64kbs if it an old show
01:16<mikegrb>well it got the freq right but not the bitrate
01:17<Chutt>should be standard mp3
01:17<mikegrb>I might look at the avidemux code
01:17<mikegrb>would be great to find a method not requiring patches
01:17<mikegrb>actually
01:17<mikegrb>I can grab the audio from mythtranscode and let it get the video from the nuv itself
01:18<mikegrb>just cat the video fifo to /dev/null
01:18<mikegrb>can the audio one to a file, hmmm even better just point it at the audio fifo while it does it's encoding
01:18<Chutt>the whole fifo thing is pretty crappy, imo
01:18<Chutt>you lose your timestamps
01:19<mikegrb>which could cause sync issues when recombined I presume
01:19<Chiphead>fifo is the only way I was able to get an edited stream (comercials removed) to stay in sync in my encodes
01:19<Chutt>as long as everything's perfect
01:19<Chutt>you'll stay in sync
01:19<mikegrb>heh
01:19<mikegrb>avidemux even supports cut's
01:19<mikegrb>er cuts
01:20<mikegrb>yha I'll give it a go
01:20<mikegrb>get it setup to encode again over night
01:20<mikegrb>I was excited to see my show in avidemux though
01:20<Chiphead>just test it in small chunks
01:20<mikegrb>nah, easier to just do a whole show
01:21<mikegrb>though an hr is the shortest thing I have around
01:21<mikegrb>I'm going to sleep anyway <G>
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02:10<tmk>chutt: you around?
02:11<tmk>i seem to have found a problem with CVS myth
02:11<tmk>mythepg requires libmyth-0.13
02:11<tmk>but it's not in the include path unless you make install before mythepg is compiled
02:11<tmk>so you have to make -> error, make install
02:12<tmk>them it installs half of it and picks up compiling where it left off
03:11<o_cee>tmk: you tried distclean?
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03:22<tmk>was a fresh cvs download
03:25<o_cee>oh :\
03:25<o_cee>had some problem with mythepg as well that was solved with a distclean
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03:29<tmk>hey if i have a master and a slave backend
03:29<tmk>do i need to run mysql on each box
03:29<tmk>or just once at the master
03:30<o_cee>only backend
03:30<o_cee>i htink
03:30<o_cee>never done it, but it should be like that
03:31<Chiphead>you only need mysql running on the backend
03:31<Chiphead>you only need the mysql client libs on the frontend
03:31<Chiphead>Oh nm
03:32<Chiphead>dont know about master/slave
03:32<Chiphead>sry
03:35<o_cee>probably only on the master backend.
03:43<tmk>i figured it out
03:43<tmk>just need it on teh master backend
03:43<tmk>the ip's need to match for local and remote for it to start up as master backend
03:43<tmk>else it starts as slave
03:44<tmk>nite
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06:48<bobbyd>hi
06:49<bobbyd>does anyone know if the AverTV DVB-T card is supported under linux? I've googled to no avail, I dont know if there's a list anywhere of supported dvb cards?
06:51<o_cee>www.linuxtv.tv
06:51<o_cee>no
06:51<o_cee>http://www.linuxtv.org/
06:52<bobbyd>o_cee: yes I've seen that, but I dont seems to be able to find a list of supported chips anywhere :(
06:54<bobbyd>ok i found it ;)
06:54<bobbyd>it's in the driver package
06:54<bobbyd>;)
07:04<bobbyd>it is supported it seems....
07:04<bobbyd>only in the CVS drivers....
07:05<bobbyd>looks like I need a 2.6 kernel though...
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08:27<rkulagow>chutt: can you sync the docs please?
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12:14<overridex>hmmm i'm suddenly having problems with mythfilldatabase since last night...
12:14<overridex>checking provider information for postal/zip code 03872, be patient..
12:14<overridex>1
12:14<overridex>------------------ End of XMLTV output ------------------
12:14<overridex>Error in 1:1: unexpected end of file
12:14<overridex>Failed to fetch some program info
12:14<overridex>anyone else having a problem like that?
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12:40<overridex>ah seem to have fixed it :)
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13:52<btatton>Anyone know where I can get a cheap Xbox to do a frontend test with
13:53<kvandivo>what's your definition of cheap?
13:53<kvandivo>and what test do you want to do?
13:54<Chiphead>xbox makes an excelent frontend
13:54<Chiphead>check ebay
13:55* Chiphead is using an xbox for the frontend
13:55* Chiphead is also working on removing X dependany and using DirectFB for the frontend for faster boots
13:56<kvandivo>why don't you just go all the way and rewrite mythfrontend as an xbe that can be launched straight from your favorite dashboard
13:56<Chiphead>because I dont support ilegal XDK software
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13:57<kvandivo>only illegal if you distribute it
13:57<kvandivo>;)
13:57<modplug>where can i find linux drivers for my pinnacle pctv rave card?
13:57<Chiphead>and why rewrite the whole thing when all I have to do is implement a videoout class
13:57<kvandivo>well, i figured if you were bored..
13:58<kvandivo>and wanted the ultimate in speedy bootups..
13:58<Chiphead>you sound bored... you do it :0
13:59<kvandivo>na.. i've got other things on my plate and i just leave the frontend running all the time, so it doesn't bother me all that much
13:59<btatton>Chiphead, are you using an NFS mount for mythmusic? Or is there a way to get it to stream?
14:00<kvandivo>nfs
14:00<kvandivo>same for video
14:00* Chiphead doesnt use mythmusic
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14:00<btatton>Thats what I am doing now.
14:00<btatton>So is it only live tv / recordings that stream?
14:01<kvandivo>to be more accurate, it's mythbackend that streams
14:01<Chiphead>yes
14:01<btatton>Thats what I thought.
14:01<Chiphead>the backend does the streaming to the frontend
14:01<btatton>I realize that.
14:02<Chiphead>and only for nuv files I beleive
14:02<btatton>I see.
14:02<btatton>How small have you gotten your base os install down to?
14:04<Chiphead>Im running it on the unused space
14:04<Chiphead><2gigs
14:04<Chiphead>with room to compile myth and qt/e and directfb
14:05<btatton>Not to shabby..
14:05<Chiphead>install Xebian-0.5.1
14:05<Chiphead>works very well
14:05<btatton>thats what I will do on the Xbox.
14:05<btatton>I am using fedora core on the backend
14:06<Chiphead>yeah Im running some version of rh on my backend... cant remember which
14:07<btatton>Did you software or hardware mod you frontend?
14:07<Chiphead>hardware
14:07<Chiphead>X2.2 Pro
14:07* Chiphead is very happy with it
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14:08<btatton>mod chip?
14:08<Chiphead>yes
14:09<btatton>Do you still have all orig xbox functionality?
14:09<Chiphead>yep... turn the chip off and I have a stock box
14:09<btatton>Nice!!!
14:09<Chiphead>turn it on and Im running linux
14:09<btatton>I will have to do some reading.
14:10<Chiphead>check out xbox-linux.sf.net
14:11<btatton>do you do any dvd ripping from the xbox?
14:12<kvandivo>question about xebian.. is it using a loopback device for the filesystem?
14:13<Chiphead>it can or it can install on a native linux partition using the unused space on the HD if you have a 10g drive.
14:13<kvandivo>but with an 8 it has to use the loopback?
14:14<kvandivo>on gentoox, which i am running, it _does_ use the loopback.. and that makes compiling anything big rather painful. as soon as the process hits swap things get _really_ slow
14:14<Chiphead>yeah unless you go linux only and give up stock xbox
14:15<Chiphead>or just install a bigger hd.
14:15<Chiphead>xbox wont care, it will just use the first 8g and linux the rest
14:16<btatton>Is there docs on doing that?
14:16<kvandivo>xbox-scene.com has tons of tutorials
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14:16<Chiphead>xbox-linux.sf.net
14:17<Chiphead>everything is tehre
14:17<btatton>Thats what I thought..
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17:22<o_cee>with this new 16:9 stuff commited, will it output a real anamorphic picture for widescreen displays? or waht does it do?
17:22<Chutt>read the description
17:22<Chutt>from the original patch email
17:23<o_cee>reading the patch.. trying to figure it out
17:23<o_cee>no clue how i'll get the screensize in millimeters :)
17:24<kvandivo>i used a ruler back when gimp was wanting that information
17:24<o_cee>gotta do that
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17:25<o_cee>wouldn't it be easier witha 4:3 and 16:9 setting? ah well, guess its used in more ways
17:27<o_cee>got a work today, going to make a small website.. thought i'd get a 350 as payment :)
17:27<o_cee>pvr-350 that is
17:28<o_cee>but i still haven't understood how its fb will handle stuff like divx and tuxracer..
17:30<o_cee>thor_: i've got my H/K receiver now.. when i've bought a coax cable for the mythbox i'll see if i can get the MP3 decoding in the receiver working with other programs first.. haven't gotten any reply from them about how to do it
17:46<thor_>o_cee, you may have to just pump mp3 bits down a spdif cable .... but why you would want to do that rather than decode and have the soundcard push PCM bits is still beyond me
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17:48<o_cee>just cool using the feature of the receiver :)
17:49<thor_>I'll buy that
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17:51<kvandivo>Craven born 1956
17:51<kvandivo>Actress Ann Reinking born 1949
17:51<kvandivo>Actor Roy Scheider born 1932
17:51<kvandivo>dang mouse.. ignore that
17:56* Chiphead uses a screwdriver as the only handy thing on his desk to stir his tea
17:59* thor_ wonders why Chiphead doesn't have an ethernet cable "handy"
17:59<Chiphead>I do but I would loose my net connection while stiring
18:00* Chiphead wonders what that stuff on the ned of the screwdriver was
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18:29<tusc_>has anyone else noticed mythtranscode is not working in the latest cvs?
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20:03<billytwowilly>I'm having trouble getting the ati_remote module to compile anyone using an ATI rf remote?
20:03<billytwowilly>I get this error: ati_remote.c:32:1: warning: "MODVERSIONS" redefined
20:03<billytwowilly><command line>:6:1: warning: this is the location of the previous definition
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20:09<tmk>bye
20:10<cmorgan>compile myth?
20:12<tmk>no i was saying goodbye to billytwowilly
20:12<tmk>i have compiled myth however
20:12<tmk>it takes several years
20:12<cmorgan>oh i was responding to him not noticing that he had quit
20:12<cmorgan>:-P
20:19<cmorgan>quiet tonight...
20:20<D-side>maybe nothings broken. :)
20:20<cmorgan>heh
20:20<D-side>yeah. i jinxed it.
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20:23<Captain_Murdoch>tmk, that's why we need ivtv and hardware encoding, so we can compile the new release of Myth without messing up a day's worth of recordings. ;)
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20:27<tmk>:)
20:28<tmk>nice -19 make
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20:28<Quickening>join #livid
20:28<tmk>no
20:28<Captain_Murdoch>did I mention this is on a P2-400? :)
20:33<tmk>hehe
20:33<tmk>ivtv was written on a celeron 433
20:33<tmk>:P
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20:33<Captain_Murdoch>literally. I've got 3 M179 cards in a p2-400 here and was streaming from all 3 earlier.
20:33<tmk>nice
20:34<Captain_Murdoch>just had Myth recording on two of them. need to go get some dinner and hopefully get a patch sent up for people to play with in an hour or two.
20:34<tmk>cool
20:34<tmk>so it's been stable for you then?
20:34<tmk>have you tried different bitrates?
20:35<D-side>are those the avertv cards?
20:35<tmk>yeah
20:35<Captain_Murdoch>yeah, and a few resolutions as well. was kinda jerky at 320x240 and low bitrate, but I'm on 480x480 dvd special 2 at 2500/4000 now.
20:35<D-side>wow. the $50 ones?
20:35<tmk>cool
20:35<tmk>yeah
20:35<tmk>they're like $80 now
20:35<D-side>haha
20:35<D-side>so its an ivtv patch?
20:35<tmk>they're all refurb's anyhow
20:35<tmk>yea
20:35<D-side>jesus. why SHOULDNT i buy one i guess
20:35<tmk>it'll be part of the main branch eventually
20:36<Captain_Murdoch>and I picked up 3 refurbed ones for $35 at newegg a while back. :)
20:36<D-side>m179 is the only part number i need concern myself with?
20:36<tmk>little elbogrease and you've got some perfectly serviceable cards
20:36<tmk>i think they are calling them pci350's now
20:36<tmk>not sure
20:36<Captain_Murdoch>D-side, check the myth mailing list, somebody posted a link on ebay for a guy selling 500 (probably refurbs)
20:37<D-side>yeah i remember that, i was just wondering what i should look for if i were to try a retail site
20:37<tmk>you can't
20:37<tmk>they come in mediapc's
20:37<tmk>the ones on the market are from RMA'd pcs
20:37<tmk>they just sell the parts piecemeal
20:37<tmk>i don't think there's a retail version of it
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20:37<tmk>but that could be just a rumor i heard :)
20:37<billytwowilly>I get this error: mythtv: error while loading shared libraries: libmyth-0.12.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
20:38<tmk>billytwowilly: did you make install
20:38<billytwowilly>but when I do a slocate libmyth-0.12.so.0
20:38<cmorgan>billytwowilly: you have /usr/local/lib in your /etc/ld.so.conf file?
20:38<tmk>that too
20:38<tmk>i'm heading home
20:38<cmorgan>if not add it and rerun ldconfig
20:38<tmk>later
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20:38<billytwowilly>I get /usr/local/lib/libmyth-0.12.so.0
20:38<D-side>tmk: found a pci350 for $85 on newegg. probably a rumor. :)
20:38<cmorgan>like i was saying... add that line and run ldconfig and you are all set ;-)
20:38<billytwowilly>and when I do an echo $PATH I get /usr//bin:/bin:/usr/bin::/usr/local/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/games:/usr/lib/jre-1.4.2_01/bin:/usr/lib/qt3/bin:/home/chris/bin:/usr/local/lib:/usr/lib/qt3/bin
20:39<cmorgan>billytwowilly: you seeing my messages? ;-)
20:39<billytwowilly>cmorgan: yah, but shouldn't it be fine if it's in the path?
20:39<cmorgan>no
20:40<cmorgan>the loader has its own path searching i think
20:40<cmorgan>library loader that is
20:40<billytwowilly>ok, so I added it to ld.so.conf
20:40<billytwowilly>and it still doesn't work. I have to use a new terminal right?
20:41<cmorgan>you ran ldconfig?
20:41<billytwowilly>no.. the documentation doesn't say anything about this that I could discern..
20:41<cmorgan>dude
20:41<billytwowilly>I ran ldconfig now. I'll go try it out.
20:41<cmorgan>RUN ldconfig
20:42<billytwowilly>heh;) I figured that was what you were going to say;)
20:42<billytwowilly>I'm not as dumb as I sound;) I'm just a bit lost;)
20:43<Captain_Murdoch>Run, Forest, Run!!
20:43<cmorgan>heh
20:43<cmorgan>billytwowilly: working fine now?
20:44<billytwowilly>well I can run setup, but it gives me sql errors.
20:44<cmorgan>did you create the database?
20:44<billytwowilly>I'm going to go look back over the documentation to make sure I didn't miss anything.
20:44<billytwowilly>Yah I did.
20:44<billytwowilly>mysql is running as well.
20:44<Captain_Murdoch>qt-mysql3 stuff?
20:44<billytwowilly>that's probably what I missed.
20:44<cmorgan>god damn nfs
20:45<billytwowilly>the documentation doesn't say anything about qt-mysql3 stuff... atleast not in the mysql section..
20:46<Captain_Murdoch>billytwowilly: did you install the qt-mysql libs/package?
20:46<cmorgan>rebooting again, nfs screwing up...bleh
20:46<Captain_Murdoch>the error would be something with QT-MySQL3 in it.
20:46<billytwowilly>yah, I get that error.
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20:46<billytwowilly>I'm searching for an rpm for it now and nothing's popping up.
20:47<billytwowilly>ahh. because it's libqt3-mysql
20:47<billytwowilly>is that new for 0.12?
20:47<Captain_Murdoch>no, needed that all along.
20:48<billytwowilly>strange. maybe the rpms for mandrake 9.2 are just screwy..
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20:51<D-side>cmorgan: whats wrong with nfs?
20:54<cmorgan>i dont' know
20:54<cmorgan>i mounted a nfs volume from 2.4.22 to 2.6.0-test9 and ls works
20:55<cmorgan>but everything else doesn't
20:55<D-side>whats the reported error?
20:55<cmorgan>i do have a nforce2 chipset with integrated networking and using the alpha drivers so it might be a network issue
20:55<cmorgan>no reported error
20:55<cmorgan>i tried to copy a file and it just sat there
20:55<D-side>do file ops just sit there/
20:55<D-side>oh. heh
20:55<cmorgan>nothing in syslog or messages
20:56<cmorgan>but i mean i'm on irc here with no obvious problems
20:56<D-side>which alpha drivers? from broadcom, or are you using the binary only ones?
20:56<cmorgan>maybe a 2.6.0 issue?
20:56<cmorgan>the alpha drives from manfred that he posted to lkml on the 31st
20:56<D-side>aha.
20:56<D-side>could be. can you go from a 2.4 to a 2.4 with no issue?
20:57<cmorgan>haven't tried...
20:57<cmorgan>i'm sure its a config/compatibility issue b/c i know nfs works ;-)
20:57<D-side>is the box with the problem 2.4 or 2.6? i'm wondering if you want to (or are able to try the binary drivers.
20:57<D-side>what distribution? with debian at least its braindead easy to go from kernel-nfs-server to user-nfs-server
20:58<cmorgan>debian
20:58<D-side>:)
20:58<cmorgan>going from 2.4 to 2.6
20:59<D-side>which holds the exported mounts?
20:59<D-side>oh duh
20:59<cmorgan>anyway, vnc works
21:00<cmorgan>so i'm just going to do the work through vnc
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21:00<D-side>i dunno, i dont think they'd break nfs (fs wise)
21:00<D-side>heh
21:00<cmorgan>b/c i'm not sure how to debug it
21:00<D-side>well which nfsd are you using? i think that'd be the easiest (only?) way to go
21:00<cmorgan>nfsd?
21:01<D-side>yeah. what nfsd package do you have installed
21:01<cmorgan>the debian one 1.0.6-1
21:02<D-side>let me log into my fileserver to make sure im not smoking crack
21:02<D-side>i, for example, have the nfs-user-server package going.
21:02<cmorgan>ahh
21:02<D-side>if you're using nfs-kernel-server, that might possibly be the culprit. though to be quite honest at this point i'm talking out of my ass.
21:03<cmorgan>i think i am using nfs-kernel-server
21:03<cmorgan>and i'm using my own kernel
21:03<D-side>swich over to user. see if that clears it up.
21:03<cmorgan>i'll try it at some point when i'm ready to reboot ;-)
21:03<D-side>quoth the nfs-kernel-server info from apt: "The user-mode NFS
21:03<D-side> server in the "nfs-server" package is slower but more featureful and
21:03<D-side> easier to debug than the kernel-mode server."
21:04<D-side>i understand that. :)
21:04<D-side>i'm going to go cough up a lung now, since i'm dying of bronchitus. good luck. afk
21:07<harryo>first time on myth irc channel. not sure of etiquette. is there someone on who could answer a question about patching?
21:07<cmorgan>ask away
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21:08<billytwowilly>harryo: It's just a free for all;) Or atleast that's how I've been treating it;)
21:09<harryo>there are 2 "bugs" that I've noticed: description in OSD for channel in live TV is truncated and live TV view in guide has a black bar on the bottom
21:09<harryo>I want to try to fix these myself, but could use a hint about what module they are in
21:09<tmk>harry: there are settings for those
21:09<tmk>just go to the setup menu
21:10<harryo>which setup? I thought I'd been through all of it and cannot find anything about truncating the OSD text or the size/shape of live TV preview in the guide
21:10<tmk>there's the osd size
21:10<tmk>and overscan settings
21:11<harryo>about the tv preview in guide: if I go to the alpha lookup (6 key?) and then back it corrects itself, so I don't think it is a setup problem
21:12<tmk>i was referring to the description being truncated
21:12<Chutt>tmk, yo
21:12<harryo>description is in live tv when I pop up the OSD (then it eventually fades back). It is being truncated within the parallelogram blue box
21:13<tmk>hm dunno then
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21:13<Chutt>tmk, i'm getting that same dequeue error after finishing a recording
21:14<harryo>tmk: I assume you are the same tmk from ivtv. just wanted to convey my thanks for all that you've done!!
21:14<tmk>:)
21:14<tmk>chutt: ok i'll check into it
21:15<Chutt>current cvs still, i think
21:15<Chutt>so, there _is_ one more of jens patches unapplied or whatnot
21:15<harryo>is cmorgan still there? or anyone else have a suggestion where to look?
21:15<cmorgan>hey
21:15<tmk>yeah i think so.. he did one last night
21:15<cmorgan>harryo: check in libs/libmythtv/osd.cpp
21:15<cmorgan>or something
21:16<cmorgan>i'm still a mythtv code rookie though, just guessing
21:16<harryo>I think I already did but C is not my primary language. I have been looking for some code that would appear to be building the display to send to a box but nothing looks right so far
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21:17<Chutt>tmk, filled up my drive too =)
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21:18<harryo>I'll give it another look, though. Thanks! Any ideas about the live TV box in the guide? Sometimes it looks Ok but not when entering the guide from live TV
21:18<Chiphead>Chutt, any docs on the internal workings that would help me get a handle on how vidout is working?
21:19<tmk>chutt: heh. i noticed it today at lunch
21:19<Chutt>nothing but the source.
21:19<Chutt>it's pretty simple, though.
21:19<tmk>i put an entry in cron to clear /var/log/messages
21:19<Chiphead>maybe to someone that has lived and breathed the code for so long :)
21:20* Chiphead is sure once he get that ah=ha it will be simple to him as well
21:21<harryo>cmorgan: does SetInfoText sound right?
21:22<cmorgan>harryo: i'm not the person to ask about this ;-) someone else here might know
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21:23<tmk>chutt: 'r' in livetv doesn't seem to toggle recording on/off
21:23<tmk>as advertised
21:23<tmk>:)
21:23<Chiphead>tmk, send it back and get a refund :P
21:24<harryo>anyone want to jump in? in osd.cpp is SetInfoText the piece of code that sets the text for the OSD popup in live TV (such as 'I' in live TV)?
21:25<harryo>no answers? oh well..
21:27<harryo>tmk: since you're here. not to complain (first child: Isaac, second child: kevin, third child: jens), but any progress on vbi?
21:27<tmk>same as ever
21:27<tmk>needs someone to write it
21:27<tmk>someone just needs to figure out the settings basically
21:27<tmk>saa7115 and encoder
21:28<harryo>I noticed that the guy who wrong the tv tool for myHTPC has implemented it. Any chance of snarfing the code?
21:28<tmk>well the settings are saa7115 specific
21:28<tmk>so if it uses a saa7115 and a CX23415 chip
21:28<tmk>then sure
21:29<tmk>but the issue is in the interaction between the two
21:29<harryo>his tool supports it on PVR-250 (I have run it and get closed captioning [yeah!])
21:29<tmk>oh.. that's using the i2c bus
21:29<tmk>not real VBIB
21:29<tmk>not real VBI
21:29<Chutt>the vbi stuff really needs to stash the data in the stream somehow
21:29<tmk>right
21:29<harryo>oh, thought it was the same thing. my bad.
21:30<harryo>does that at least prove that the firmware supports it and maybe it is somewhat applicable to vbi?
21:30<tmk>no
21:30<tmk>it comes straight out the saa7115
21:30<tmk>via i2c bus
21:31<tmk>i know the saa supports it
21:31<tmk>and the encoder probably does
21:31<tmk>just figuring out how the settings work is al you need to do
21:31<tmk>it's really not hard
21:31<harryo>k. show what I know ;-)
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21:32<cadavis>how can I get past access denied for user root, using password: NO in mysql??
21:32<josephk>I swear to god there has to be something with the ivtv driver and Mandrake/RedHat...maybe it's because I have not patched either kernel...or any of the 5
21:32<harryo>I think it's about 20 years too late for me to start modifying drivers. last such work I did was writing attitude control software for satellites
21:32<tmk>heh
21:32<tmk>joseph: what?
21:32<tmk>i just installed both on rh9
21:33<billytwowilly>hmm. slight problem. I have an ATI TV wonder and the picture is black/white and screwed up. I'm guessing that it's because of the "canada cable" improperly detected hardware, but I don't know what to change and I didn't see an archive of the v4l mailing list where the documentation pointed me.
21:33<josephk>and how often does your firmware hang?
21:33<josephk>or should I say decoding hang
21:33<tmk>dunno
21:33<tmk>haven't decoded yet actually
21:33<tmk>still wirin git up
21:33<tmk>:)
21:33<josephk>I've compiled v4l2 as a module and without and same problem
21:34<josephk>4 different kernels...below 2.4.22 though
21:35<josephk>can't seem to get past 20 minutes
21:35<josephk>although it isn't any set time
21:36<josephk>noticed someone in users "complaining" about the same thing...although that doesn't mean anything
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21:40<josephk>Chutt: what kernel are you using?
21:41<Chutt>stock rh8
21:41<josephk>patched or no?
21:42<Chutt>what does 'stock' mean?
21:42<josephk>ah
21:44<josephk>it can mean original, available, or full, in abundance
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21:57<josephk>Chutt?
21:58<josephk>were you always this sarcastic or are there classes I can take?
22:01<Chiphead>its can also mean a soup base
22:03<Captain_Murdoch>tmk, about 'r' not working in LiveTV mode, do you mean when browsing? It might only work if you have more than one tuner if you try to record the show you're currently watching. it was meant to allow you to tag other shows to record while browsing around.
22:03<tmk>hm
22:03<tmk>i want it to record current show (from where i am if necessary)
22:04<Captain_Murdoch>doesn't support that in browse mode, I should try to get that working sometime. I'd like to be able to hit 'R' without having to even go into browse mode also. :)
22:05* Captain_Murdoch added that to his TODO list.
22:06* josephk adds that to his WON'T_WHINE list.
22:08<josephk>that ivtv whine bug
22:08<josephk>that was me
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22:15<gsfgf>when i try to do anything with mythtv, i get this error
22:15<gsfgf>Unable to connect to database!
22:15<gsfgf>Driver error was [1/1045]:
22:15<gsfgf>QMYSQL3: Unable to connect
22:15<gsfgf>Database error was:
22:15<gsfgf>Access denied for user: 'mythtv@localhost' (Using password: YES)
22:15<gsfgf>couldn't open db
22:15<gsfgf>gsfgf@gentoo gsfgf $
22:15<gsfgf>i ran GRANT ALL ON * TO mythtv@localhost;
22:15<cmorgan>anyone know where the buffer that holds the livetv data is? i'm trying to figure out how to reduce its size to reduce the latency between cable and livetv...
22:16<cmorgan>gsfgf: install the qt mysql package, its called libqt3-mysql on debian
22:17<cmorgan>although actually it might be a permissions issue
22:17<billytwowilly>I'm having sound problems. I plugged headphones into my ati tv wonder and I can hear sound, but when I run the sound from line out on the ati tv wonder to the line in on my sound card I can't get any sound at all no matter what I set aumix at.
22:18<billytwowilly>the sound trouble shooting in the documentation has been unhelpful..
22:18<billytwowilly>Sound does work for playing mp3s and videos though.
22:20<billytwowilly>I don't get any sound with xawtv either.
22:20<tmk>have you tried unmuting
22:21<billytwowilly>yah, I don't even get the screwed up out of sync sound.
22:21<billytwowilly>and I've gone through and tried all of the above with both spare ports on my soundcard.
22:21<billytwowilly>just to make sure I wasn't being dumb;)
22:25<billytwowilly>any ideas?
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22:26<josephk>what soundcard?
22:28<billytwowilly>built into the nforce2 chipset
22:28<billytwowilly>I had it working fine before I upgraded to 9.2
22:29<cmorgan>using alsa?
22:29<billytwowilly>This is strange. With headphones plugged into the line out on my tv card I can hear sound when I run xawtv, but no sound when I run mythfrontend -> tv
22:29<cmorgan>nforce2 chipset uses the intel8x0 module
22:29<billytwowilly>yah, using also
22:29<billytwowilly>cmorgan: meaning??
22:29<cmorgan>billytwowilly: is the module loaded?
22:30<cmorgan>billytwowilly: you get sound via xmms and other apps but just not myth?
22:30<billytwowilly>snd-intel8x0
22:30<cmorgan>billytwowilly: is that myth binary or did you compile it?
22:30<cmorgan>is snd-oss-pcm loaded as well?
22:30<billytwowilly>I get sound just fine playing videos and mp3s.
22:30<billytwowilly>snd-pcm-oss
22:30<billytwowilly>loaded
22:31<billytwowilly>I compiled mythtv
22:31<cmorgan>i guess i would suspect either something else is tying the /dev/dsp up
22:31<cmorgan>or the permissions on the device aren't correct
22:31<billytwowilly>I turned off artsd
22:31<billytwowilly>how do I change the permissions on the device?
22:31<cmorgan>well check them first, ls -l /dev/dsp
22:31<cmorgan>and ensure that your user can write to it
22:32<billytwowilly>lr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 9 Nov 10 20:04 /dev/dsp -> sound/dsp
22:32<billytwowilly>does that mean I have write permission?
22:33<billytwowilly>I just think it's strange that I hear audio coming out of the line out on the tv tuner with xawtv, but not with mythtv.
22:33<cmorgan>it appears you don't have any write permissions... ls -l on sound/dsp to check that
22:33<cmorgan>running as root?
22:33<billytwowilly>crw------- 1 chris audio 14, 3 Dec 31 1969 /dev/sound/dsp
22:34<billytwowilly>both running mythfrontend as root and as user it doesn't work
22:34<cmorgan>if you have a wav file around try 'cat wavefile > /dev/dsp'
22:34<cmorgan>see if that works
22:35<billytwowilly>I don't have a wav file..
22:35<billytwowilly>I have an mp3 though.
22:35<billytwowilly>what's a prog to change that to a wav?
22:37<cmorgan>your mp3 app, that is under the same user that the frontend is?
22:37<billytwowilly>yah. xmms run in kde.
22:37<cmorgan>can you check which device that is using? and no errors from mythfrontend?
22:37<cmorgan>permissions errors or the like?
22:37<cmorgan>with a pvr card?
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22:38<billytwowilly>[chris@localhost chris]$ mythfrontend
22:38<billytwowilly>2003-11-10 20:37:59 Enabled verbose msgs : important general
22:38<billytwowilly>connecting to backend server: 127.0.0.1:6543
22:38<billytwowilly>Opening OSS audio device '/dev/dsp'.
22:38<billytwowilly>Over/underscanning. V: 0.000000, H: 0.000000, XOff: 0, YOff: 0
22:38<billytwowilly>Using XV port 106
22:38<billytwowilly>Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV
22:38<billytwowilly>Changing from WatchingLiveTV to None
22:38<billytwowilly>Changing from None to None
22:38<cmorgan>volume really low? ;-)
22:38<billytwowilly>That's all the output from starting mythfrontend, going to tv and watching tv..
22:38<billytwowilly>both vol and pcm are at 100
22:39<cmorgan>hmm... anyone have an idea?
22:39<billytwowilly>like I said previously, I'm not getting any audio out of the line out from the tv tuner card...
22:40<ShockValue>Hi there everyone... Im considering setting up a mythtv box.
22:40<billytwowilly>when I plug my headphones directly into the line out from the tuner card I hear nothing when watching tv with mythtv, but I hear a low volume when running xawtv..
22:40<cmorgan>cable box volume low?
22:41<billytwowilly>no cable box. plugged directly into the line.
22:41<ShockValue>i got just a couple questions... like.. :) where does mythtv get it's tv listings from for programming guides? is it free?
22:41<billytwowilly>could I have configured the card to pump the audio to the internal audio plug thingy?
22:41<billytwowilly>ShockValue, zap something.. some website. it's free.
22:42<cmorgan>ShockValue: from zap2it via xmltv
22:42<ShockValue>cool
22:42<billytwowilly>I'm gonna reboot. cmorgan: thanks for all the help.
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22:43<ShockValue>and, let me make sure i got this part right: video comes in via a "tv card" (im considering a hauppage).. then gets output via a normal video card with a "tv out" (assuming i want to play it on my tv?)
22:43<cmorgan>ShockValue: thats one way to set things up, you can go to your monitor as well if you'd like
22:44<ShockValue>yeah ok.. for my project im considering im thinking about using it on my TV.. vcr/dvd plaer kinda thing
22:45<ShockValue>oo ya, speaking of.. if I rip a dvd or play one on my dvd-rom drive, I can output 5.1 digital and DTS?
22:45<ShockValue>(if you want me to STFU and read a faq someplace, feel free to say so.. i just like to chat :)
22:46<cmorgan>no idea about the dolby digital or dts
22:46<tmk>shock: depends on your soundcard
22:47<tmk>i think it's supported
22:47<cmorgan>tmk: any news on the "timed out waiting on firmware"? ;-)
22:47<tmk>nah not yet
22:47<tmk>that'll be a week or two
22:47<cmorgan>:-P
22:47<tmk>i've got a few projects at once right now
22:47<tmk>building a set-top box
22:47<tmk>made the case myself
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22:47<cmorgan>ahh
22:48<cmorgan>should put up a webpage about it ;-)
22:48<tmk>and let's not forget monday night football
22:48<tmk>i will when it's done
22:48<ShockValue>eventually, i would like this box to replace my cdplayer (already have them all ripped to lossless), DVD, and TV
22:48<ShockValue>but i cant give up DTS and 5.1 :)
22:48<cmorgan>you think jens will fix it up?
22:49<tmk>flac's still a huge space-eater
22:49<tmk>dunno
22:49<tmk>probably not
22:49<tmk>he's a fiend tho
22:49<ShockValue>yeah, but gigs are cheap.
22:49<cmorgan>were you planning on just restarting things and pretending nothing happened?
22:49<tmk>more or less
22:49<cmorgan>hmm
22:49<tmk>need to re-work init in general
22:49<tmk>basically i want to write a functino that just checks if firmware's alive
22:50<tmk>and is run on API errors
22:50<tmk>if it's dead, then reset
22:50<cmorgan>using that read command?
22:50<tmk>using the no-op command
22:50<cmorgan>the first one mentioned in the api i think
22:50<cmorgan>yeah
22:50<tmk>it does it after loading firmware
22:50<cmorgan>would you accept a patch for that if i hacked something up?
22:50<tmk>if it's not a hack
22:51<cmorgan>you think thats a reasonable implementation though?
22:52<tmk>let's take this to #ivtv-dev
23:01<billytwowilly>hurrray! errors from mythbackend: read audio: Input/output error
23:01<billytwowilly>only read -1 from 4096 bytes from '/dev/dsp'
23:02<billytwowilly>read audio: Input/output error
23:02<billytwowilly>now can someone tell me what is going on?
23:03<billytwowilly>cmorgan: does that mean I don't have permission to read/write to /dev/dsp?
23:04<cmorgan>i'm not sure why it would be reading from /dev/dsp...
23:04<cmorgan>but maybe
23:05<billytwowilly>it does that exact same error if I change the setttings to /dev/sound/dsp and mixer.. still says /dev/dsp..
23:06<billytwowilly>Starting up as the master server.
23:06<billytwowilly> is defined, but isn't attached to a cardinput.
23:06<billytwowilly>that comes up when starting mythbackend.
23:08<billytwowilly>mythbackend is also run as root. can you tell me how to change the permissions on /dev/dsp so that anyone can read/write to it?
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23:25<billytwowilly>cmorgan: if the command you asked me to do with a wav file earlier was cat wavfilename.wave > /dev/dsp then it doesn't work.
23:25<billytwowilly>same with cat wavefilename.wav >> /dev/dsp
23:26<cmorgan>permission errors?
23:26<cmorgan>anything if you tail /var/log/message or syslog?
23:28<billytwowilly>the last thing in syslog is about the rpms I installed to play the mp3 file and to decode it to wav.
23:28<billytwowilly>there is no /var/log/message
23:29<cmorgan>hmm
23:29<cmorgan>i'm not sure
23:29<cmorgan>someone can probably help you, i'm off to bed
23:30<hadees>anyone mount anything with nfs?
23:31<billytwowilly>cmorgan, Ok, thanks. Nothing in /var/log/messages either.
23:31<tmk>sure. i've got nfs going
23:32<Teflon->hmmm nfs
23:32<Teflon->i gotta do that sometime.
23:32<Teflon->(for mythtv)
23:35<cmorgan>night
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23:37<hadees>tmk do you mount have them auto mount in fstab? i can't seem to get it to work with what i put there
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23:56<CyberKnet>Aha. sweet wireless freedom =)
23:57<CyberKnet>For some reason, my 54g network drops out intermittently. I think I need to sabotage all my neighbors microwaves and cordless phones!
23:57<CyberKnet>So I saw the post on the list about the avermedia M179 deal on ebay.
23:57<CyberKnet>I'm actually pretty tempted, does anyone have any info about it?
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