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00:09<D-side>well my project failed.
00:10<tmk>:<
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00:10<D-side>i handed a configured myth box to a friend with no linux knowledge whatsoever.
00:12<D-side>it came down the the quality he was getting on recordings, which he mainly blames on the crap quality of the tuner card.
00:12<D-side>cant say i blame him. wish it were otherwise.
00:13<josephk>what card?
00:14<josephk>bttv?
00:14<D-side>just a regular run of the mill bt878. not sure which, its either the hauppauge or pctv
00:14<D-side>yeah
00:15<josephk>yeah...they do seem to be pretty cruddy
00:15<D-side>i've got a wintv in mine, using the composite in, and its still crappy in comparison
00:15<D-side>thats why i was looking for a straight rca/svideo in (no tuner) capture card. too bad no one makes one. :/
00:15<D-side>i was actually wondering about the pinnacle DC10+ mjpeg cards.
00:16<D-side>is it the same type of quality on the 250/350's? i'd have to assume so
00:17<DogBoy>crappy in comparison to what
00:18<tmk>d-side: no i think it's worse
00:18<D-side>tivo/replay
00:18<tmk>but i'd have to see side-by-side
00:18<D-side>tmk: to the mjpeg or the 250s?
00:18<tmk>mjpeg is worse
00:18<D-side>yeah as far as encoded files go, absolutely.. for the purposes of this conversation though, i mean solely the video input.
00:19<D-side>like, bttv cards look washed out and just... fuzzy, for lack of a better term.
00:19<tmk>i see
00:19<D-side>i'd give anything for a crisper, cleaner picture
00:19<tmk>it's probably the digitizer
00:19<Teflon->pvr-250!
00:19<tmk>heh
00:19<D-side>i'm half tempted to try a higher end nvidia card with VIVO just to see if i'm right.
00:19<tmk>thank you for your patronage
00:19<Teflon->i have lovely "sharp" images from S-Video in.
00:19<Teflon->(I've played the files on various devices now)
00:20<D-side>hey i'd love to buy a 250 or this silly avermedia card.
00:20<D-side>tmk: whats your opinion on those cheap things, at this stage in the game
00:20<tmk>i hear there are quality issues with the avermedia
00:20<tmk>i can't' see why tho
00:20<tmk>it's the same digitizer and encoder
00:20<tmk>unless they were sloppy with grounding o something
00:20<D-side>oh that
00:20<tmk>i hear you can get real pvr250's for ~$90
00:20<D-side>tmk: that rumor from the MCE guys?
00:20<tmk>it was on the ivtv maailing list
00:20<Teflon->freestyles not pvr250s
00:21<D-side>i read somewhere (i think a -users post) that they blame that on the windows drivers
00:21<tmk>hm
00:21<tmk>well use em with ivtv :)
00:21<D-side>whats the diff between the freestyle and the 250 again?
00:21<D-side>tmk: and i would!
00:21<tmk>freestyle has no ir
00:21<Teflon->D-side, lack of IR
00:21<D-side>oh.
00:21<Teflon->(which i dont use)
00:21<D-side>F IR
00:21<tmk>i use mine
00:21<tmk>it's nice
00:21<Teflon->i should really order a freestyle
00:21<tmk>get a pvr350
00:21<tmk>it's worth $180 :)
00:21<Teflon->tmk, i have an ATI Remote Wonder leftover from my ATI TV Wonder VE
00:21<D-side>i'm planning on having seperate frontends to the single backend.
00:21<tmk>d-side: i'm doing that now
00:21<tmk>i built a set-top box
00:22<tmk>i'll let you know how it goes
00:22<Teflon->i need to build a settop
00:22<D-side>tmk: which leaves you without a need for the 350's IR. :)
00:22<Teflon->need to find fast enough hardware.
00:22<D-side>tmk: what parts are you using? tell me an EPIA
00:22<tmk>yeah
00:22<tmk>epia nehemiah
00:22<D-side>excellent, excellent.
00:22<tmk>pvr350, dvd+cdrw
00:22<D-side>512mb ram?
00:22<tmk>home-made case
00:22<tmk>128mb
00:22<Teflon->tmk how well does it play back 4.4mbps DVD format Mpeg-2?
00:22<tmk>what do i need with ram
00:22<D-side>good god.
00:22<D-side>but wait.
00:22<D-side>a 350 on a frontend machine? why?
00:22<tmk>tv-out
00:22<Teflon->D-side, decoder
00:23<D-side>oh thats right that works now.
00:23<tmk>pvr350 tv-out kicks butt
00:23<tmk>i can't tell the difference
00:23<D-side>now i know i can find this info on the list, but i'm going to ask anyway... :)
00:23<Teflon->and the frontend can nfs mount the backend's disk to also write to the spool
00:23<Teflon->recording doesn't use much cpu power fortunately.
00:23<D-side>the tv out is the same as a regular vga out?
00:23<josephk>if it wasn't so damn finicky
00:23<tmk>no
00:23<D-side>thats a crap question. let me rephrase.
00:24<tmk>it's out the pvr350
00:24<D-side>yeah i know, i retract that question
00:24<D-side>will the 350 display the menus and OSD, or merely the decoded mpeg ?
00:24<tmk>all of it
00:24<tmk>it's an X framebuffer
00:24<josephk>it is god-like
00:24<D-side>oh shit.
00:24<D-side>wow.
00:24<josephk>much like chutt
00:24<tmk>hehe
00:25<D-side>need a patched to hell and back X?
00:25<tmk>well, i can't get it working on my VIA
00:25<tmk>no
00:25<tmk>standard X
00:25<D-side>i'm liking this idea.
00:25<tmk>it was working on my celeron 433
00:25<D-side>i picked up a 340mb CF microdrive. any bets on whether i can make a frontend go on it? :)
00:25<Teflon->D-side, ROTFL!
00:25<josephk>works on a 440bx2,815, or KT400
00:25<Teflon->microdrives are sloooow
00:26<Teflon->use it in a digicam
00:26<Captain_Murdoch>I put the exact phrase "email me PRIVATELY and ask" in my post about M179 samples and some guy still emails the whole list asking me for the link.
00:26<D-side>Teflon-: yeah, but whats the need for speed on it?
00:26<D-side>its not going to have recordings on it.
00:26<tmk>people don't read
00:26<Teflon->D-side, make linux boot as slowly as windows!
00:26<D-side>just the OS and the frontend itself.
00:26<D-side><perk>
00:26<D-side>samples?
00:26<josephk>can I have a link please...oh hold on, let me send it to every list I can find
00:28<Teflon->sleepy time
00:29<tmk>chutt: you around?
00:29<D-side>hm. now to find out where freestyles can e had
00:29<D-side>be even.
00:30<tmk>ebay i think
00:30<tmk>search hauppaauge mce
00:30<tmk>was what i heard
00:32<ChaosExiguum>z-buy.com used to have them, they might still
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00:33<D-side>yeah. $85 on z-buy
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00:33<D-side>so its worth it just for the tv-out, eh?
00:34* Captain_Murdoch wonders if that guy is in #mythtv now since he just emailed me privately. :)
00:34<D-side>haha
00:34<tmk>well
00:34<ChaosExiguum>which, the 350?
00:34<tmk>d-side: up until i gto this box going
00:34<tmk>the only tv-out i had was pvr350
00:35<tmk>if i had to buy a pvr250 ($130 new?)
00:35<tmk>and a vidcard with tv-out
00:35<tmk>then it's definately worth it
00:35<D-side>i've already got a geforce4mx card doing tv out, so i'm wondering if i just want to wait until the avertv cards are fully supported, or just buy the stupid freestyle card
00:35<ChaosExiguum>I have found the svideo on my 350 to be about 4x better than the builtin svideo on my epia m10k
00:36<D-side>ChaosExiguum: ever compare it to an nvidia tv out?
00:36<Captain_Murdoch>the card on z-buy isn't a 350
00:36<tmk>chaos: can i msg you
00:36<D-side>afk a bit
00:36<ChaosExiguum>sure
00:36<ChaosExiguum>err. tmk sure... d-side, no I have not
00:36<tmk>d-side: only other tv-out i'd recommend is the matrox directfb stuff
00:36<tmk>aka g400
00:38<Viddy>has mdz been in recently?
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00:39<Captain_Murdoch>Viddy: yesterday sometime I think.
00:39<Viddy>cool
00:39<D-side>tmk: dont suppose theres overscan settings for the 350s tv out? just in case it doesnt fill the screen
00:40<Chutt>tmk, whatcha need?
00:40<tmk>chutt: was wondering if you had any trouble getting the fb to work on your via box
00:40<tmk>mine's angry
00:41<Chutt>naw, worked fine
00:41<D-side>tmk: let me know if you get it working. then tell me all the parts you put in it so i can get the same stuff. :)
00:41<Chutt>didn't have any issues with it
00:41<tmk>what vid driver for the via display?
00:41<Chutt>not using one
00:42<tmk>so your only display is the pvr350?
00:42<Chutt>yup
00:42<tmk>mind sending me your X config?
00:42<Chutt>sure, 'sec
00:42<tmk>cool
00:42<tmk>rh9? stock X?
00:42<Chutt>rh8
00:42<Chutt>stock x
00:42<tmk>ha
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00:44<Chutt>sent
00:44<tmk>th
00:44<tmk>x
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00:44<tmk>heh. looks almost identical to mine
00:45<tmk>i may have to diff them :)
00:45<Chutt>not surprised
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00:46<tmk>hmm. did find one thing that may be significant
00:46<josephk>had a problem with a via board...solution...
00:47<josephk>I dropped it from 3 floors
00:47<Chutt>the epia-m's don't have the dma/pci problem or whatever the hell it is
00:47<josephk>would hope not
00:48<Chutt>i need to find a replacement cpu fan for mine
00:48<Chutt>the damn thing keeps getting louder
00:49<josephk>my vantec tmd is ok
00:49<btatton>Evening..
00:49<Chutt>40mm, low profile
00:49<josephk>ah ok
00:49<josephk>not even close
00:49<josephk>:)
00:49<Chutt>yeah
00:50<Chutt>i have a 40mm papst in the power supply that's quiet
00:50<Chutt>but the place i ordered that from doesn't carry em anymore
00:53<josephk>directron is out
00:53<Chutt>yup, that's what i just said :p
00:53<josephk>hehe
00:54<josephk>at what point did you say directron?
00:54<Chutt>'the place i ordered that from'
00:55<josephk>bah nevermind that I'm psychic
00:56<Chutt>hm
00:56<Chutt>time to potentially fuck up cvs
00:56<Chutt>well, if this diff would ever complete
00:57<Chiphead>got a bug with lastest cvs, parsign date of recordings id wrong and giving errors: QDate::setYMD: Invalid date 2935-93-02. Where should I look to fix it?
00:57<Chutt>update your backend and frontend at the same time.
00:58<Chiphead>hmmm I did
00:58<Chutt>nope
00:58<Chiphead>ill do it again :)
00:58<ChaosExiguum>did you restart it?
00:58<Chutt>you're running an older version of one of them
00:58<Chiphead>or should I wait till you commit
00:58<Chutt>this is only potential breakage
00:58<Chutt>i doubt you want it
00:58<Chiphead>:)
00:59<Chiphead>doing simultanious update
01:00<Chiphead>no chanes :(
01:00<Chiphead>changes
01:00<Chutt>then you forgot to make install or something
01:00<Chutt>pretty much the only way you can get stuff like that is if it's out of sync
01:01<Chiphead>I dont think so... I usually build on both system at same time
01:01<Chiphead>Ill try again
01:02<josephk>in cases such as these I often rm the entire directory and start over...that bad?
01:03<josephk>hehe
01:05<ChaosExiguum>its no worse than d/ling the latest stable release
01:07<Chiphead>messed up my recordedmarkup table somewhere along the way tyoo, mysql was erroring about it couldnt open recordedmarkupMYD existsd. Had to drop and recreate the table
01:08<Chutt>mysqlcheck can generally fix that right up
01:09<D-side>uh oh.
01:09<D-side>the freshrpms site.. is it .com?
01:10<D-side>blah. nevermind.
01:10<Chiphead>so what you going to break Chutt?
01:12<josephk>yo face:)
01:12<Captain_Murdoch>chip, if you drop and recreate recordedmarkup, you can run mythcommflag afterwards to reflag commercials for all your recordings.
01:12<Chiphead>Captain_Murdoch, yep already done
01:14* Chiphead is always amazed at the power of lots of ram... myth compiles 2x faster on my backend(ppro400 w/512 megs) that my frontend (celeron 733 w/64 megs)
01:14<Captain_Murdoch>globalsettings.cpp
01:14<Chutt>well over 100MB, due to g++ =)
01:14<Chiphead>yep its a dog
01:15<term>whee
01:15<term>Chutt: so the whole load average problem is gone.
01:15<Chutt>that's cool, too
01:15<Chutt>you saw there's almost an in-kernel nic driver now?
01:16<term>now I just have to get the screen to fill in the blank area at the bottom and top of the screen, and make the font readable. :)
01:16<Chutt>allright, cvs is updated
01:16<term>in-kernel nic driver?
01:16<Chutt>test please =)
01:16<tmk>aren't all nic drivers in the kernel?
01:16* Chiphead waits has had enough problems today :P
01:16<Chutt>not for the nforce built in stuff
01:16<tmk>ah
01:17<term>tmk: hey, I took an ebuild file I found on the web and made a nearly-compliant ebuild thing for ivtv.
01:17<tmk>cool i think
01:17<tmk>what's an ebuild
01:17<term>ebuild is gentoo's packaging file stuff
01:17<ChaosExiguum>gentoo package
01:17<term>like a debian/ directory
01:17<term>it warns about something in the ebuild file but it compiles fine anyway.
01:18<term>only caveat is it likes versioned sources to pull. :)
01:18<Chutt>having a versioned release means having to officially support it and stuff
01:19<Chiphead>:)
01:19<tmk>i support nothing!
01:19<term>I'm just announcing that I've created it.
01:19<term>either way it's in my local portage tree, so it's trivial for me to keep messing with. :)
01:20<tmk>does gentoo do everything from source
01:20<term>yep.
01:20<tmk>or do they package stuff
01:20<term>though you can get a prepacked set of stuff for the release
01:20* josephk is away: I'm actually away...I don't believe me either
01:20<tmk>interesting
01:21<term>takes 2 days on a fast machine to install and build kde, etc, but it's well done imo
01:21<Chiphead>is mythosd part of the front or back end?
01:21<Chutt>frontend
01:21<term>I installed prelink, which also seems to be speeding things up.
01:21<Chutt>term, did you see the numbers i was pasting in here a couple nights ago?
01:21<term>Chutt: no
01:21<Chutt>doing some speed tests with some work code
01:22<Chiphead>would be nice to have a setting in the settings.pro to say to build a backend only or a frontend only
01:22<Chutt>-march=athlon-xp is 50% slower than -march=pentiumpro =)
01:22<term>eek.
01:22<Chutt>chiphead, the source dependencies are identical
01:22<term>g++ or gcc?
01:22<Chutt>g++
01:22<term>oh.
01:22<term>crap.
01:22<ChaosExiguum>are we talking running or building here?
01:22<Chutt>run time
01:23<term>well if I start to care I'll fix my CFLAGS and emerge -e world :)
01:23<Chutt>'course, that's not a user app
01:23<Chutt>heavy math database stuff
01:23<term>ah.
01:23<Chutt>but, still
01:23<Chiphead>but like the frontend, I dont need mythcommflag, filldb backend etc.
01:23<term>I donno, my machine's doing fairly well atm.
01:23<term>but I'll keep that in mind.
01:23<Chutt>chiphead, you can always comment stuff out of programs/programs.pro really easily
01:24<Chiphead>I do and then cvs nicely merges em back in :)
01:24<Chutt>-march=pentiumpro with all the "common" l33t boy optimizations was about the same speed as -march=athlon-xp
01:24<Chutt>ie, 50% slower than -O3 -march=pentiumpro
01:24<ChaosExiguum>lol
01:24<term>haha
01:24<term>so basically -O3 -march=pentiumpro is fastest so far
01:24<Chutt>well
01:25<Chutt>on older g++ versions
01:25<term>"older"?
01:25<Chutt>and an older, but similar codebase
01:25<ChaosExiguum>what processor were you acutally running on?
01:25<Chutt>i was able to get like a 10% speed increase by playing with the optimizations
01:25<Chiphead>what version of gcc do you use Chutt?
01:25<Chutt>xp 1800+
01:25<Chutt>g++ 3.3.2
01:25<term>you ran the tests on g++ 3.3.2?
01:25<Chutt>yup
01:25<term>hm
01:26<term>I have 3.2.3 on my gentoo machine..
01:26<Chiphead>ick... 3.3 gave me nothing but problems on the xbox seg faults all the time
01:26<Chutt>works fine here
01:26<Chutt>aside from producing assy code
01:26<tmk>heh
01:26<Chiphead>yeah works fine on my ppro too
01:31<Chutt>heh
01:31<Chutt>so the software mpeg2 decoding was one frame off the video clock
01:32<Chutt>i wonder if anyone ever noticed
01:32<tmk>audio you mean
01:32<tmk>?
01:33<Chutt>no, i was interpreting the video pts one off
01:33<tmk>oh
01:33<tmk>heh
01:33* Chiphead never noticed
01:33<Chutt>well, it's fucked up, really
01:33<Chutt>i/p frames have different rules
01:34<Chutt>the new stuff that's in cvs now should be right
01:34<term>Chutt: is there a way to reduce the lag time between when a frame actually comes over the wire and when it displays to the user?
01:34<term>s/wire/cable/, to be more accuate
01:34<term>+r
01:35<Chutt>yeah, you can always play with the buffering
01:35<term>ah, so changing the buffer size in the driver?
01:35<D-side>term: so gentoo gets your seal of approval eh?
01:35<term>mpg_buffers or whatever?
01:35<Chutt>no, in mythtv
01:35<term>D-side: yep, now I'm wrestling with mythtv and lirc
01:35<term>Chutt: ahh.
01:36<D-side>the lirc ebuild pissed me off.
01:36<D-side>mainly thats due to my lack of knowledge.
01:36<term>D-side: xmltv .21 and my cable listings aren't getting along.
01:36<D-side>all i want to do is pass a stupid config option to tell it to use the ir200l crap
01:36<term>I've already built lirc a bunch of times under debian, so I'm ready for it.
01:36<term>I wrote the author, and he claims they're working on a version of lircd that can handle multiple devices at once
01:36<ChaosExiguum>D-side, I find gentoo refreshingly uncluttered and streamlined
01:36<Chiphead>whew... backend completed just in time to catch nova
01:37<term>I had offered to do it myself
01:37<D-side>ChaosExiguum: you're preaching to the choir. I run it on my backend and frontend.
01:37<term>seeing as most of the daemon already has all the device-specific stuff in structures
01:37<D-side>term: yeah i read that on their lists.
01:37<ChaosExiguum>:o)
01:37<D-side>uh oh. a sync is taking a while
01:37<D-side>might be a big one tonight.
01:37<term>kind of odd to write the daemon with everything nicely parsed out and then only allow the main loop to handle a single device.
01:38<Chutt>xmltv used to be the worst thing to get installed
01:38<Chutt>now it's lirc
01:38<term>heh
01:38<term>xmltv still drives me nuts.
01:38<Chutt>since xmltv is packaged everywhere now
01:38<D-side>xmltv guys promise not to f with settings that screw us? :)
01:39<term>at this point I just want consistant listings :(
01:39<Chutt>i get periodic updates from zap2it about their service
01:39<Chutt>never a go-live date, though
01:39<D-side>how much is it going to be?
01:40<Chutt>never heard
01:40<term>doh.
01:40<D-side>eh, its probably worth it.
01:40<term>I'll probably do it.
01:40<D-side>so long as it provides the kind of info the tivo/replay listings have.
01:40<term>yeah.
01:40<Chutt>be the same feed
01:40<Chiphead>my cable co uses zap2it for their listings on their webpage
01:40<D-side>oh excellent.
01:40<term>I hope Comcast isn't.
01:41<D-side>i suppose then someone could forge ahead and setup the same kind of searches, say by actor et al
01:41<term>they regularly get some shows wrong.
01:41<tmk>woot
01:41<tmk>set-top box is running
01:41<D-side>tmk: heh. now please kindly email me with the system specs and all your config files. :D
01:41<ChaosExiguum>so does mythfilldatabase refresha evey day in the database, or just the days that are new?
01:41<term>haah
01:41<tmk>D-side: you don't even have a pvr350
01:41<Chutt>tmk, in current-ish mythtv cvs, i've got it only doing 6 buffers and have turned off prebuffering
01:41<term>ChaosExiguum: I think it's only what's not already done.
01:42<D-side>tmk: that'll change, if your settop box works good. :)
01:42<Chutt>seems to work well, and really improves speed
01:42<tmk>really? cool
01:42<Chutt>yeah
01:42<tmk>d-side i'll keep you posted
01:42<Chutt>no big long delay for seeking anymore
01:42<tmk>jens made that an ioctl right
01:42<Chutt>i did :p
01:42<D-side>tmk: hey, i was kidding but i'll take whatever charity i can get.
01:42<tmk>heh
01:42<Chutt>because i wanted to try em out
01:42<tmk>so far the biggest thing was to do 'make oldconfig' to pull the config from the kernel
01:42<D-side>i had considered the pundits, but somehow it seems like more trouble than its worth
01:42<term>hm, so I'll have a working backend in a week, I hope.
01:43<D-side>term: a week? wtf
01:43<term>D-side: 3 day shipping.
01:43<term>today's wednesday.
01:43<btatton>can I run multiple prv 250's inthe same box??
01:43<D-side>oh okay fine.
01:43<tmk>yeah
01:43<D-side>term: oh thats right, the ir blaster.
01:43<term>yeah.
01:43<tmk>btatton: yes you can
01:43<Chutt>btatton, 'course
01:43<btatton>I thought so..
01:43<tmk>you can even run a 250 and a 350
01:43<tmk>and probably also a yuan and a m129
01:43<btatton>I have a couple differnt cards.
01:43<D-side>now i have to figure out how to tell portage to stop trying to upgrade something i just f'ing unmerged. :/
01:43<btatton>thanks..
01:44<Chiphead>can the cards use different feeds?
01:44<Chutt>'course
01:44<term>then I only have uh, 3 more projects to do related to computers
01:44<tmk>i have 2 feeds in each card
01:44<tmk>on efor tuner
01:44<Chutt>the only limitation is you can't switch while in live-tv
01:44<tmk>one for video-in
01:44<term>I need to figure out all the new features in mythtv, too. ;)
01:44<Chutt>and once i do an osd menu, i should be able to have it tear down and reconnect to the other card if asked to
01:45* tmk goes off to update mythtv again
01:45<Chutt>i like my spiffy osd text scroller
01:45<Chutt>though, it's not that smooth on the pvr-350 =)
01:45<D-side>so any osd irc clients yet? :)
01:45<Chiphead>like I would want one to have my analog cable channels 2-69 and the other to have the feed from the digi cable box channels 2-999
01:45<Chutt>need to figure out how to get that updating faster
01:46<tmk>chutt: with only 6 buffers, the double-buffering osd trick might work
01:46<ChaosExiguum>speaking of cards, does anyone know anything about support for the wintv-d?
01:46<Chutt>tmk, oooh, true
01:46<tmk>i think it might have stolen extra mem from teh osd space
01:46<tmk>chutt: probably wouldn't speed it up any however
01:47<tmk>it'd jsut be smoother
01:47<Chutt>smoother would be fine
01:47<tmk>:)
01:47<Chutt>allright, bed time
01:47<Chiphead>g'night Chutt
01:47<D-side>later.
01:48<tmk>now to install alsa
01:48<D-side>term: so what do you think... would an imap based OSD email notification mod be a good idea, or should i shut the fuck up and go to bed
01:48<tmk>bed
01:48<D-side>sigh.
01:49<term>D-side: massive overkill? :)
01:49<D-side>you dont think a little email icon fading into the right corner would be a nice idea? :)
01:49<D-side>term: overkill? thats the POINT of this to me.
01:49<term>I just prefer a tv and my laptop. :)
01:49<D-side>i could have just up an bought a tivo.
01:49<term>besides, I'M not writing it. :)
01:49<tmk>if anyone's going to go hack at myth
01:49<tmk>i have an idea
01:49<tmk>:P
01:49<tmk>a 'thinking' icon
01:49<tmk>like hourglass or soemthing
01:50<tmk>so you know if you pushed the button on the remote
01:50<tmk>i hate hitting 'enter' to go to watch recordings
01:50<tmk>and not know if it's working on it or not
01:50<Captain_Murdoch>ditto
01:50<D-side>oh, i see what you mean.
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01:50<D-side>hm.
01:50<ChaosExiguum>ill 4th that
01:50<D-side>wonder how you'd accomplish that without it looking like ass
01:51<term>I need to finish all of these other projects so I can start writing code after work again
01:51<D-side>as theres no cursor, you'd want to put it somewhere noticable, but not obscenely glaring.
01:51<term>D-side: upper-right hand corner.
01:51<tmk>or lower-left
01:51<term>most things do the former
01:51<D-side>term: hard to say that though. it'd depend on the theme and the elements within it.
01:52<D-side>hm.
01:52<term>D-side: I suppose.
01:52<D-side>possibly a fading effect on the "button" pressed?
01:52<D-side>lightly pulsing maybe
01:52<tmk>that's easy i think
01:52<tmk>sounds good! make it so
01:52<D-side>should be fairly easy to implement
01:52<tmk>:P
01:52<D-side>hah!
01:52<D-side>i wish i could code. :)
01:52<D-side>if i could, i'd have the voicemodem integration going, with CID and the works. :)
01:53* Chiphead loves it when non-codes say "uit should ne easy" :P
01:53<D-side>a call comes in, livetv or recording pauses, osd CID info pops up.. option to pick it up and talk through a mic, like a speakerphone.. :)
01:53<D-side>Chiphead: hey THAT idea doesnt seem so hard to me.
01:53<ChaosExiguum>dont forget the usb coffie pot
01:53<ChaosExiguum>and firewire kitchen sink
01:54<term>programming is easy
01:54<Chiphead>D-side, the code it :)
01:54<D-side>oh shut up. my ideas arent THAT asinine.
01:54<term>software engineering is a pain in the ass.
01:54<D-side>the OSD irc client... well thats ridiculous.
01:54<tmk>i was entertained. please proceed
01:54<ChaosExiguum>:o)
01:54<D-side>an email notification is fairly stupid too though.
01:55<D-side>anyone who has to pause tv to find out what email the got is... that person needs an intervention.
01:55<term>I see the spammers are working to continue my 100+ spams/day count
01:55<tmk>is mythlcd for the mini lcd-displays
01:55<tmk>like 2line x 16char
01:55<term>D-side: no, that person needs a second monitor. :)
01:55<Chiphead>mikegrb has emil notification
01:56<Captain_Murdoch>tmk, yeah, I think it uses lcdproc
01:56<term>wow, I caught up on most of my email today.
01:56<term>scary.
01:58<D-side>i think i really like the new visor osd
01:58<D-side>shame it doesnt look so hot on high res displays.
01:58<term>the fonts on all of those drive me nuts.
01:58<term>they ignore the global settings :(
01:58<D-side>so change them ffs
01:58<term>it's the font size.
01:58<term>I'll have to look into it another time.
01:58<D-side>again, change them
01:59<D-side>get into the ui's xml file and change it.
01:59<term>I'll have to setup bootsplash too.
01:59<D-side>i couldnt get that working on tv out.
01:59<D-side>no problem on the monitor, but not tv out. odd stuff.
01:59<term>shouldn't make a different
01:59<term>er difference
01:59<D-side>yeah tell me aout it
01:59<D-side>about even.
01:59<term>odd.
02:00<D-side>my only problem with bootsplash type stuff is the fact that it can never be seamless.
02:00<D-side>bootsplash goes, then display changes to xdm, then an X session pops up, yadda yadda.
02:00<term>hm why is this package masked
02:00<D-side>which one?
02:00<term>* media-gfx/bootsplash [ Masked ]
02:00<term> Latest version available: 0.6-r2
02:00<D-side>shrug.
02:01<term>changing ACCEPTED_KEYWORDS didn't fix it.
02:01<D-side>just specify the category and full ebuild filename and it'll go
02:01<D-side>like emerge media-gfx/bootsplash-0.6-r2.ebuild
02:01<term>hm
02:02<term>might just be pics.
02:02<term>donno if it includes the splash program.
02:02<term>ah well, let's find out
02:03<term>might need libmng
02:03<D-side>i'm not sure there IS a splash program.
02:03<D-side>yeah it does
02:03<D-side>IF you plan on using the animated status display
02:03<term>well, there definately is a splash program, just donno if it's in there.
02:04<term>I mean, I have this working on my workstation
02:04<term>complete with filling in the progress bar.
02:04<D-side>so, can you think of any ways to make it a seamless transition from bootsplash to mythfrontend?
02:04<term>I wrote a script to do it. :)
02:04<term>not in my case, I have that lovely nvidia logo inbetween.
02:04<D-side>term: oh yeah? i'd like to see that sometime.
02:04<D-side>term: er, turn it off.
02:04<term>you won't if I convert to gentoo :)
02:04<term>I can turn it off?
02:05<D-side>OF COURSE
02:05<term>I figured I didn't get a choise
02:05<term>er choice
02:05<term>interesting.
02:05<D-side> Option "NoLogo" "True"
02:05<D-side>device section
02:06<term>needed ~x86 and libmng.
02:06<term>interesting
02:06<D-side>call me lame, but i think a frontend in FB would be dynamite.
02:06<tmk>it's ok
02:06<tmk>you should be able to link myth against qt/embedded
02:06<tmk>and get just that
02:07<D-side>less resources... easier to setup
02:07<tmk>no X required :)
02:07<term>/sbin/splash
02:07<D-side>it'd also make it way easier to have startup "look pretty"
02:07<term>yep, bootsplash has the splash program.
02:07<term>and I kept the instructions on my workstation. ;)
02:08<D-side>especially with new motherboards that allow you do dump a splash image in bios.
02:08<tmk>can it animate and such?
02:08<D-side>bootsplash can, sure.
02:08<tmk>hmm
02:08<term>I haven't tried the animation, beyond a progress bar.
02:08<tmk>do you just have it update the image at different places in /etc/rc.d?
02:08<tmk>ie S10image10percent
02:08<o_cee>i'm using bootsplash
02:09<tmk>ie S20image20percent
02:09<tmk>etc
02:09<D-side>i dont know to be honest.
02:09<o_cee>something like that
02:09<D-side>i've never tried.
02:09<o_cee>look att www.bootsplash.org
02:09<term>I wrote an rc script that gets called as stuff completes.
02:09<term>I figured out how much to increment it each pass so it looks right.
02:09<D-side>term: well fix it to work in gentoo. :)
02:09<term>D-side: I probably will
02:09<o_cee>gentoo works like a charm
02:09<term>it's a simple script.
02:09<term>just messy math to do in bash shell :)
02:10<o_cee>i didn't write anything to get it going
02:10<D-side>i'd love to have a bios splash screen, then dump directly to a lilo/grub splash, then bootsplash, then mythfrontend immediately.
02:10<D-side>without any stuttering or hiccups.
02:10<o_cee>after the bootasplash i see the console for a couple of seconds
02:10<o_cee>but i think that can be turned off.. but then you'll have the bootsplash when you go to a console i think..
02:10<o_cee>didn't bother
02:11<term>I haven't looked into a bios splash screen.
02:11<D-side>my nforce board does it.
02:11<term>hm
02:11<term>then maybe mine does too.
02:11<D-side>probably.
02:12<D-side>i'd likely have it display the mythtv logo (bios i mean), then mirrored backgrounds on the lilo/grub splash screens and bootsplash's.
02:12<term>wow that's some insane math.
02:12<o_cee>just set 0 secs on grub?
02:13<D-side>o_cee: i dont like that concept. :)
02:13<D-side>eh.
02:13<D-side>i think i retract that statement
02:13<D-side>its not like i cant load grub from a floppy, in times of dire emergency
02:13<D-side>hell, for that matter, usb keychain
02:13<term>/usr/local/bin/progress $(($bs_x+$bsdiff)) $(($bs_y+$bsdiff)) $(($bsvar-($bsdiff*2)+2)) $(($bs_h-($bsdiff*2))) $bscol
02:13<term>whee :)
02:14<term>hm, the bootsplash package didn't install the progress program
02:15<o_cee>hmm, if you're using a box only for myth it's silly to have grub show up
02:15<term>weird, the tarball came with it.
02:16<o_cee>you need other patches for the progressbar in gentoo
02:16<D-side>know which ones?
02:16<o_cee>of course
02:16<D-side>well share with the group
02:16<o_cee>serach bugs.gentoo.com
02:16<o_cee>for progress bar
02:17<o_cee>no idea why it hasn't been merged
02:17<term>hm, this guy's site doesn't show the really nice bootsplash logo I'm using.
02:17<term>the one with the penguin on the black background with the "__ Linux" on it (where __ is the distribution)
02:18<term>aha, it's called blacktux.
02:20<D-side>well, i was a jackass an hour ago for being up this late. now i'm doubly so. laters.
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02:21<D-sleep>term: let me know how that progresses. i'm interested.
02:21<D-sleep>and 'night.
02:22<term>hm, someone ported it to 2.6.
02:23<term>D-sleep: it'll be a few days, since it's one of the last things I'll do the machine.
02:23<term>sleep sounds good.
02:23<term>nite all.
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07:46<bobbyd>hi
07:46<marc>good morning
07:47<bobbyd>does anyone know if anyone's thought about interactive content from dvb? or even getting the program guide from the dvb data like VDR does?
07:47<bobbyd>or does noone that uses mythtv care about dvb? ;)
07:47<marc>not me... sorry.
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08:58<bobbyd>do the origional myth developers hang out here?
09:03<mikegrb>on occasion
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09:39<kvandivo>Captain_Murdoch: I got the m179 working last night about 1.. err.. this morning, rather
09:39<kvandivo>Captain_Murdoch: after more reboots that I care to count
09:40<kvandivo>I ended up having to go with cvs from 11/01/03. I absolutely couldn't get anything newer than that to work. As soon as i cat'd dev/video the machine would hang.. without exception
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11:34<mikegrb> find / -name \*yourbase\* -exec chown us:us {} \;
11:34<mikegrb>er
11:36<Chiphead>lol
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11:50<mikegrb>all your base our belong to us
11:50<thor_>all your base are belong to us.us
11:50<mikegrb>well groups and owner permissions
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16:19<o_cee>blah blah blah
16:20<bline>blah
16:21<sfr>blaha!
16:24<kvandivo>rabble rabble
16:26<sfr>buh
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16:56<sfr>'mpeg-2 playback was rather heavily affected by this' that should have been warning enough. anyway, mythfrontend grabs memory like hell ~2MB/sec.
16:57<dopez>hm, i had the backend crash with a out-of-memory error today, not sure why tho, its running a few hours now
16:58<thor_>balapalooza
16:58<sfr>googi googi dooo
16:58<kvandivo>rabble rabble
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16:59<bobbyd>hi
16:59<bobbyd>any dvb-t users here?
16:59<sfr>giggeli giggela
16:59<kvandivo>why do i think of the movie Grease everytime i see bobbyd log in or out?
17:01<mikegrb>heh
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17:07<sfr>how can i do a cvs checkout of mythtv just before the last commit?
17:08<kvandivo>cvs update -D timespec
17:09<kvandivo>timespec is very versatile
17:12<kvandivo>like, for instance, i think you can say something like -D 3 hours ago
17:13<kvandivo>the man page discusses it in detail
17:13<sfr>yes, just reading the manpage
17:13<kvandivo>:)
17:13<kvandivo>note that once you do that your tree will be tagged with that date
17:13<kvandivo>and you'll want to remove that tag to get newer updates
17:16<sfr>so cvs really means more than just 'cp -rp cvshost:repository ./' :)
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17:16<kvandivo>oh, absolutely. cvs rocks
17:16<mikegrb>much more :D
17:16<kvandivo>it has a couple of pitfalls, but, all things considered, it rocks
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17:17<mikegrb>my voicemail service for home phone changed, now I get an email with caller id and wav attatched
17:17<mikegrb>now to figure out what spiffyness to make it do
17:17<o_cee>wow, 1300 unread mails in mythtv-users.. heh. "Mark all as read"
17:18<mikegrb>heh
17:18<kvandivo>if you do that we'll pelt you mercilessly when you ask questions that have been answered already
17:18<mikegrb>does mutt have a kill thread option? so I don't see any more
17:18<kvandivo>you mean like, delete entire thread?
17:18<sfr>o_cee: thats fine if instead you keep working on that theme.
17:18<kvandivo>^D
17:19<o_cee>sfr: ah sheit. yeah :) i moved some things so now i gotta move more things.. been kinda busy, hope i'll get a real preview thingie soon
17:19<mikegrb>well delete the entire thread and remember it so I don't see it again
17:19<mikegrb>the office mail system has that, quite spiffy
17:19<o_cee>and i'm pissed at qtlook.txt
17:20<sfr>mikegrb: i didn't know outlook could do that
17:20<mikegrb>no
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17:20<o_cee>hard to get it right, guess icould release something and someone would make suggestions ;)
17:20<mikegrb>sfr: mail system built into "CHCS" comprehensive health computing system... runs on vms
17:21<o_cee>g'night
17:21<kvandivo>ahh, the model of a modern major mail system
17:21<mikegrb>well I dunno if I'd go that far
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17:50<bobbyd>anyone here use dvb?
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18:31<kvandivo>i have to say that i think today has been the slowest weekday on #mythtv since I started tracking it
18:32<mikegrb>heh
18:32* mikegrb needs to set the log analyzer stat thing up again on the new server
18:33<kvandivo>if you wrote the code for that thing, why don't you make it sort in reverse order, so that you don't have scroll down 15 pages to get to the latest logs
18:34<mikegrb>for the dates?
18:34<mikegrb>oh
18:34<mikegrb>the search?
18:34<kvandivo>umm.. ya.. i don't remember exactly which screen, but on one of them you have scroll way down and i find myself wishing it was sorted the opposite of what it is
18:34<kvandivo>let me check
18:35<kvandivo>index.pl?chan=mythtv&year=2003
18:35<mikegrb>okay
18:35<mikegrb>the search results page should be that way too
18:36<kvandivo>haven't used search, to be honest
18:36<mikegrb>most likely you want the most recent results
18:36<mikegrb>it used to display a calendar
18:36<mikegrb>with clickable dates
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18:39<mikegrb>got the dates reversed now
18:39<kvandivo>wow.. that was quick. :)
18:39<mikegrb>;)
18:39<kvandivo>at mikeandheidi?
18:39<kvandivo>i'm not seeing it
18:39<mikegrb>well
18:39<mikegrb>thegrebs.com/irc
18:39<mikegrb>sorry
18:40<mikegrb>heh new domain
18:40* kvandivo mutters about being up to three now.
18:40<mikegrb>the other one is a dif virtual host in apache
18:40<mikegrb>heh
18:40<mikegrb>I have four actually
18:40<mikegrb>this will be the final url
18:40<kvandivo>nice.. much more usable, now..
18:40<kvandivo>well, more convenient, anyway
18:40<mikegrb>I felt michalandheidi.net is too long
18:41<mikegrb>right
18:42<mikegrb>search results may take me a moment longer
18:42<mikegrb>gotta check some perl syntax
18:42<kvandivo>that's a handy thing to have, btw.. if I can make another request (with more baggage) start doing ivtv-dev
18:43<rkulagow>chutt: anyone reporting mythfrontend consuming _huge_ amounts of memory when pausing a previously recorded PVR-250 program? (this is with CVS) load average was 13, kswapd was taking up all of the CPU. killall mythfrontend brought stuff back to normal. mythfrontend was at 833MB when I finally killed it.
18:43* kvandivo shudders at the though of mythfrontend taking up 800 megs on his little xbox.
18:43<mikegrb>lol
18:44<mikegrb>kvandivo: no that is fine lemme add it
18:47<bobbyd>does anyone know how to add channels for a dvb card?
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18:47<mikegrb>kvandivo: done
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18:48<kvandivo>cool. that will be handy
18:48<mikegrb>:)
18:50<Chiphead>is there anything I can add to the append line in linuxboot.cfg to have video come up with bpp=32 ?
18:51<Chiphead>it seems to default to 8
18:51<Chiphead>oops sry wrong window
18:52<rkulagow>chutt: mythfrontend console : 16:40 - started watching Nova. 1705: "prebuffering pause" and then 17:05:30 seconds later it has "waited too long for decoder to pause". i've just started and paused again while watching top to see what happens.
18:52<mikegrb>Chiphead: ;)
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18:59<[DJ]HaCK>anything special I should know for the 0.11 to 0.12 transition ? just plug&pray ?
19:02<mikegrb>read the upgrading instructions
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19:02<[DJ]HaCK>UPGRADING FROM RELEASE 0.11 Database updates are now done automatically.
19:02<[DJ]HaCK>that's it ?
19:03<flyer>Yep.
19:04<[DJ]HaCK>pretty smooth for a major update mmm
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19:06<mikegrb>:)
19:06<mikegrb>check your profiles afterwords though
19:07<mikegrb>I believe there were some changes
19:07<mikegrb>I think that was when the changes were
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19:23<rkulagow>That's not good: Turns out that it's not related to pausing, but watching?
19:23<rkulagow> 1953 root 16 0 620 108 0 R 8.4 0.0 0:09.67 nmbd
19:23<rkulagow> 2917 mythtv 20 0 688m 252m 156 R 8.4 53.7 0:08.65 mythbackend
19:23<rkulagow> 2648 mysql 14 0 3216 948 0 R 8.2 0.2 0:24.52 mysqld
19:23<rkulagow> 2563 mythtv 14 0 2808 584 0 R 8.1 0.1 0:03.83 kdeinit
19:23<rkulagow> 2916 mythtv 19 0 688m 252m 156 R 7.8 53.7 0:07.29 mythbackend
19:23<rkulagow> 2936 mythtv 19 0 164m 155m 440 R 7.6 33.0 0:40.38 mythfrontend
19:23<rkulagow> 2937 mythtv 19 0 164m 155m 328 R 6.6 33.0 0:05.11 mythfrontend
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19:51<D-side>anyone want to help me fit a fully featured mythfrontend in 298mb? :)
19:52<mikegrb>rm -rf /
19:52<mikegrb>oh
19:52<mikegrb>full featued
19:52<Chiphead>:()
19:52<mikegrb>er full featured
19:52<mikegrb>Chiphead is working on fb output support
19:52<mikegrb>so you can cut out x
19:52<D-side>oh?
19:52<D-side>thats precisely what i wanted to hear.
19:52<Chiphead>yeah but its going slow
19:53<D-side>i'll test anything youdo
19:53<mikegrb>I believe he said it works right now if you have a 350
19:53<Chiphead>I dont understand how it all works
19:53<D-side>whats it based on, sid?
19:53<btatton>How does myth run on a 2.6 kernel?
19:53<Chiphead>yes should work for any of the fb hw players
19:53<mikegrb>no just the myth code
19:53<Chiphead>cle and 350
19:53<mikegrb>not a full distro
19:53<D-side>ah.
19:54<D-side>basically i want an EPIA board, and just run it off a microdrive.
19:54<mikegrb>well then get a pvr-350 :)
19:54<D-side>eh, if i had a 350 i'd want to put it in the backend.
19:55<mikegrb>heh
19:55<D-side>ever use the via mpeg decoding?
19:55<mikegrb>oh you sead epia
19:55<mikegrb>er said
19:55<mikegrb>with the cle hw decoder
19:55<D-side>thats what i'm hoping for anyway.
19:55<Chiphead>one thing you can do is edit the programs/programs.pro to only build mythepg mythprogfind mythtv mythfrontend
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19:55<D-side>i'm not going for looks, i'm going for "this is under the couch where no one will see it"
19:56<D-side>Chiphead: that sounds simple enough
19:56<Chiphead>but X is your big space hog
19:56<D-side>yeah. the thought of an FB based setup makes me happy.
19:57<D-side>in that case, it would be cake to get it going in 300mb.
19:58<Chiphead>yeah... if you have a hwfb that is current supported you can build the current cvs with qt/e
19:58<D-side>oh?
19:58<Chiphead>as long as myth ises you hwfb for playback the gui will run under fb
19:58<D-side>nvidia cards would fall into that category, no?
19:58<Chiphead>i dont think so
19:59<Chiphead>350 is the only one I know for sure
19:59<D-side>oh i see what you're saying.
19:59<D-side>those freestyle's are the same as the 350, just w/o IR, right?
19:59<D-side>at least thats what i got out of yesterdays similar conversation
19:59<Chiphead>no same as 250
19:59<mikegrb>the nvideo cards are XVmc
20:00<mikegrb>so I don't think they work outside of x
20:00<Chiphead>does the via use hwfb?
20:01<Chiphead>i dont think the via code is x dependant
20:01<Chiphead>would have to ask chutt
20:02<D-side>i'm going to try debootstrap'ing sid. not sure if that even works.
20:02<btatton>Are any of you guys using myth on a 2.6 kernel?
20:02<Chiphead>nope
20:03<btatton>Good enough then.. :-)
20:03* Chiphead is using 2.4.22
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20:03* btatton is too
20:04<btatton>I can't recomile it however in FC1!! ugghh
20:04* Chiphead had hard enough time getting ivtv to work in 2.4.22 and will not tempt fate
20:06<btatton>LOL I have had 0 issues with either of my machines. Working out of the box, but on my frontend I am attempting to add lirc support and need modular support in the kernel and it will not build
20:07<Chiphead>Oh the system has worked great... it was just getting the ivtv compiled and installed that was a bitch...
20:07<Chiphead>very little doccumentation for it
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20:25<fulbert>anyone else had issues with ivtv CVS recording corrupt video?
20:32<Chiphead>nope
20:32<Chiphead>just upgraded last night to current and have 5 hours recorded
20:32<fulbert> I had been using drivers circa ~08/15/03 until 2 nights ago when I built from the CVS tarball on the website, now I get a lot of corruption in my video.
20:32<fulbert> I get tons of stuff on the debug that looks like first mb_incr damaged, skiped MB in I frame at 1 28, ac-tex damaged at 0 29, concealing errors
20:33<Chiphead>I grabed streight from the cvs lastnight and upgraded was 8/15 as well and all is good
20:33<fulbert>I have a dual pvr250 setup, switching back to the old ones works fine.
20:33<Chiphead>I just have a single
20:33<fulbert>did you use the tarball or cvs from server?
20:33<Chiphead>cvs server
20:33<fulbert>I used tarball, maybe try the server in a few.
20:34<fulbert>options ivtv num_devices=2 debug=1 mpg_buffers=60 - is what I have in the modules conf, that still applies to newer ones?
20:34<Chiphead>Umm I got an error with the debiug flag had to take it otu
20:34<[DJ]HaCK>mmm crap ... no more video in live tv :\ I shouldn't have fixed the unbroken !
20:36<fulbert>yeah, I get a warning about the debug also, but it seems harmless, it passes and loads the module anyhow
20:42<[DJ]HaCK>is there a file or doc somewhere that says what key is mapped to what action in livetv/epg ?
20:49<Captain_Murdoch>keys.txt
20:52<[DJ]HaCK>thanks
20:52<mikegrb>no shit Captain_Murdoch?
20:52<[DJ]HaCK>I didn't noticed it :\
20:52* mikegrb neither
20:53<mikegrb>sorry just getting agrivated by some stupid people elsewhere
20:53<mikegrb>took me a while to find it
20:53<mikegrb>I think I may have asked, I had looked at it before and remembered there was a list, couldn't remember where I found it
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20:56<D-side>so for a dist-upgrade, do i want to specify sid or unstable?
20:56<[DJ]HaCK>is there a goto channel key for the EPG ?
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20:57<[DJ]HaCK>there isn't one in the EPG section of keys.txt :\ I hope there's an undocumented way
20:58<[DJ]HaCK>scrolling about 500 channels takes a long time (because the server with the mysql db is sloowwww)
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21:09<Chiphead>I think 1 and 3 are pgup and pgdn not goto but helps
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21:10<[DJ]HaCK>yep , it'll have to do
21:10<Chiphead>:)
21:11<[DJ]HaCK>mmm , I updated to .12 , now I go to live tv mode , but no video or sound :\ , it says Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV and the screen goes black , esc still works but I can't pause or rewind or change channel (so it's not just recording black) , the oss sound works too
21:11<Chiphead>set your channels to display hightr and you can page quicker
21:11<Chiphead>Im running CVS and I get recorded busy even when its not :)
21:12<Chiphead>but as I recall 0.12 live tv worked for me
21:12<[DJ]HaCK>I think if I just add some ram in the mysql server it's going to give a very good boost (it only got 64mb and it's also a nfs )
21:13<[DJ]HaCK>yeah , it's probably just a glitch .. I'll try the windows way of fixing problems
21:14<D-side>hm.
21:14<D-side>debootstrap + woody, dist-upgrading to sid.. its going to be under 300mb.
21:17<[DJ]HaCK>well , I'll be damned
21:17<[DJ]HaCK>the windows way worked
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21:52<[DJ]HaCK>mm something in mythtv doesn't like to encode or playback fade to blacks
21:56<bbeattie_>does mythtv use the transcode program to do it's transcoding?
22:04<bbeattie_>I'm just looking for a command line argument to do a test mythtranscode (check time to transcode a show)
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22:06<bbeattie_>but I don't have mythtv fully installed on the system I need to do the test on. is there a way to just use mythtv to transcode a file from one format to another?
22:18<Chiphead>ping chutt
22:20<thor_>Chiphead, something I can help with (?) ...
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22:23<Chiphead>I was wondering how old of a ivtv snapshot I can use with current myth cvs
22:23<cmorgan>3110XX
22:23<cmorgan>i think thats when the ioctls were fixed
22:24<Chiphead>current ivtv is not working right. i have to unload and reload the driver between recordings or I get no data
22:24<cmorgan>yeah
22:24<cmorgan>any error messages in /var/log/messages?
22:24<Chiphead>no myth thinks it is recording and nothing fron ivtv
22:25<cmorgan>ahh
22:25<thor_>don't really know ... I know mine are old (like 3 weeks), but my myth is about 4-5 days old as well
22:25<Chiphead>take that back dmesg has a gazillion ivtv: silently returning
22:25<cmorgan>ahh
22:26<cmorgan>appears to be some dma overflow error
22:26<Chiphead>I can cat the video several times w/o issue
22:26<cmorgan>what is the first error msg?
22:27<fulbert>I've got problems with the current ivtv, corrupt video, so I am back to using ivtvi from ~Aug 15, with myth current, and it's working
22:27<cmorgan>fulbert: cvs requires 31st or later drivers
22:27<Chiphead>ivtv: DMA buffer DeQueue failed! got 1, want 1 shows up after a dozen or so returning silently
22:27<cmorgan>at least i think it does
22:28<fulbert>? my CVS is from maybe 2-3 days ago.
22:28<cmorgan>ahh
22:28<thor_>I've got ivtv from Sept. 10, myth is about 4 days old
22:28<cmorgan>that might make sense too, that was prior to the ioctl changes
22:28<thor_>250 only, no 350 stuff
22:28<Chiphead>so you think I can roll back to 10-31?
22:28<fulbert>when I use the ivtv current, I get badly corrupt video.
22:28<fulbert>I have a dual 250 setup
22:28<cmorgan>Chiphead: you can roll back to either version that fulbert or thor are suggesting
22:29<Chiphead>9-10 ok I was running 8-15 and had problems with the current myth
22:29<cmorgan>anyone here that is familar with the ivtv source?
22:29<Chiphead>Ok will try that... I upgraded cause the 8-15 was giving endless out of buffer errors while recording
22:29<fulbert>invalid mb type in B Frame at 7 0, ac-tex damaged at 22 1, slice missmatch, invalid cbp at 36 27, concealing errors, I get tons of that from ivtv debug messages
22:29<pmowry>Latest ivtv CVS segfaults for me, I'm using decoder-alpha-091103A.tar.gz
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22:30<pmowry>for a PVR-350
22:30<thor_>I get a gazillion of these: ivtv: Not enough free buffers, stream 0
22:30<cmorgan>yeah
22:30<cmorgan>heh
22:30<thor_>but things are pretty stable
22:30<fulbert>I sometimes see that with my older driver, but it does not cause any video problems, and the system is stable also.
22:30<Chiphead>yeah chutt said thats cause of old ivtv thats why I upgraded
22:30<cmorgan>i get mostly "timed out waiting for firmware"
22:31<thor_>cmorgam, tmk will probably be on later, no-one is more familiar with it :-)
22:31<Chiphead>thor_, those errors just hammer my hd... sounds like a machinegun durring recordings
22:31<thor_>hmmm
22:31<thor_>works fine here
22:31<fulbert>try upping the buffers?
22:31<Chiphead>yep to 99
22:31<thor_>not even aware of them unless I do a dmesg
22:32<cmorgan>thor_: apparently none here is familiar with it ;-) heh
22:32<thor_>yup
22:32<Chiphead>neither was I till sometime after 0.12
22:32<fulbert>I have two 250s in the system and buffers=60 and I don't get that error except once or twice a day or so
22:32<pmowry>Who is ijr? ogg.c cant find header files in todays cvs.
22:32<Chiphead>but that was 8-15 ivtv Ill try the 9-10
22:33<Chiphead>ijr=isaac the author
22:33<pmowry>oh, ok
22:33<thor_>pmowry, locate ogg.c
22:34<pmowry>its in /opt/mythtv/mythtv/libs/libavformat
22:34<pmowry>ogg.c:12:21: ogg/ogg.h: No such file or directory
22:34<pmowry>ogg.c:13:30: vorbis/vorbisenc.h: No such file or directory
22:35<pmowry>I'm looking for those files now
22:35<thor_>you probably need libogg and libvorbis installed (developer versions if you're using some kind of package)
22:35<bbeattie_>thor_: is there any documentaiton on mfd so I can read about what it is, and what it's suppost to do? (Curiousity)
22:36<thor_>there are some README's
22:36<thor_>which do actually contain a bit of info
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22:36<thor_>and the code is mostly well documented
22:40<bbeattie_>thor_: readme doesn't even say what mfd stands for.. my question is, what is mfd?
22:40<thor_>ah
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22:40<bbeattie_>some sort of control system?
22:40<thor_>(trying to think of a clever answer)
22:40<thor_>myth friggin' daemon
22:41<thor_>hehe
22:41<bbeattie_>myth frontend daemon was my guess,
22:41<thor_>yup
22:41<bbeattie_>what is the goal of mfd?
22:41<thor_>headless core that GUI clients can talk to
22:41<pmowry>I see in the commits that ogg.c is a new file added at 6:13 today. I'll track them down.
22:42<thor_>that offers services (audio, video content, etc.)
22:42<thor_>pmowry, install libogg and libvorbis
22:43<thor_>bbeattie, if you run two mfd's now (current cvs) on two different machines, they'll discover each other
22:43<thor_>(no configuration)
22:43<thor_>soon either will be able to access the other's content
22:44<thor_>so plugging in myth boxes becomes a trivial exercise
22:44<thor_>also, a GUI client can hop around to control any myth box on your network very easily
22:45<thor_>... that's the general drift of things ...
22:45<bbeattie_>hmm, I had the idea of having two clients. one client to do control, the other that displays/manipulates data. Then there would be sessions. a user loads a frontend for a pc, it loads a control client and then a meta client that knows what services that device can handle (video+audio+weather, etc for a pc, but maybe only audio for some, or video for others, etc) a user would create a session and if that person went into another room
22:45<bbeattie_>hey could connect to that session and be able to data at both places, (or change locations). You could also have several sessions at once, all run by a backend myth box (ie, a home media server with clients all over, some just displaying data (computer+tv) and some for control only (pda) but you could control sessions.. (does this make any sense)... Does mfd move in this direction?
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22:45<bline>the final goal is to make my touch screen work
22:45<bbeattie_>thor_: I wrote that without seeing what you had said, but this is an idea I have been thinking about for over a year
22:46<thor_>similar ideas
22:46<fulbert>mmm touch screen
22:46<Chiphead>doh 9-10 errors out on build. doesnt havds the NEW_I2C def
22:46<bbeattie_>thor_: if you wanted to record say 3 shows a once, and scheduled them from one computer, but all three computers had tuner cards, would then communicate to record all three shows without conflict?
22:47<bbeattie_>s/then/they
22:47<thor_>... well ... haven't really thought about tv scheduling yet ....
22:47<bbeattie_>thor_: it's meta sharing for now though?
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22:47<thor_>and audio playing
22:47<thor_>(cause audio's headless)
22:48<thor_>mfd already does that
22:48<bbeattie_>thor_: what about viewing recorded shows?
22:48<thor_>mfd would know what's available and stream it to you on an http socket
22:48<bbeattie_>thor_: nice. :)
22:48<bbeattie_>thor_: how stable is it currently?
22:48<thor_>very
22:49<thor_>but it doesn't have any clients
22:49<thor_>and it has a *LOT* left to do
22:49<thor_>you can fiddle with it using telent though
22:49<thor_>telnet
22:49<thor_>and it will autostream audio content to anything that understands DAAP (i.e. iTunes)
22:50<bbeattie_>thor_: will mfd be added to mythtv's frontend? or will new clients be made?
22:50<fulbert>could the telnet interface be used to control with a wireless pda then?
22:51<thor_>at some point I'll probably start "adapting" clients, probably mythmusic first
22:51<thor_>fulbert, conveivably
22:51<thor_>conceivably
22:51<thor_>but there's a lot of missing pieces
22:51<fulbert>maybe a zaurus app to send some quick commands
22:51<thor_>yup
22:52<thor_>that's definitely on the agenda
22:52<thor_>but there's no way to ask it for metadata yet
22:52<thor_>so this is still a bit premature
22:53<bbeattie_>thor_: who is working on this besides you?
22:53<thor_>that would be me
22:53<fulbert>cool, I've been wanting to pickup a zaurus, maybe when that get's close it will give me an excuse to play and help develop an interface.
22:53<thor_>and Chutt explains things to me when I do something stupid
22:53<fulbert>it would be a welcome change from the little silver thing ;)
22:54<bbeattie_>thor_: I've seen chutts commit comments ;)
22:54<bbeattie_>he
22:54<bbeattie_>he can be very blunt and harsh but for good reasons, including for a joke
22:55<thor_>bbeattie, you have a WinXP, Mac, or something else around that can run iTunes
22:55<bbeattie_>thor_: do you plan on doing most everything yourself, or are you looking for others to help?
22:56<thor_>running iTunes and firing up an mfd is the best way to get a sense of how useful it could be ...
22:56<thor_>they both see each other and share content
22:56<bbeattie_>thor_: No, I'm going to create a new system just for recording shows (a p3-450 with 3 HDTV cards) and storing content, then I plan to make my current mythbox (amd 2600+) into a dual boot so I can play some bf 1942 and still have it connected to my home theater.
22:56<thor_>no configuration
22:56<thor_>no fiddling
22:56<thor_>just works
22:56<bbeattie_>thor_: so you can just pull files onto your itune directly?
22:56<thor_>help is more than appreciated ...
22:56<bbeattie_>off of the myth system?
22:56<thor_>nope
22:57<thor_>Myth just appears in the iTunes left panel
22:57<thor_>playlists, whatever
22:57<thor_>click on something in iTunes, and it streams over
22:58<bbeattie_>thor_: very nice, so the future would be to adapt ice/shout caste to read from mfd also? or to videolan, or other video streamers?
22:58<thor_>yup
22:58<thor_>quite possibly videolan
22:58<thor_>but I still have a lot of work getting the audio finished and a proper 24/7 backend metadata model
22:59<thor_>(and real work is really busy right now)
23:00<bbeattie_>thor_: in all this sounds great. -- any lucky with mythdvd? (I'd still like to be able to select the correct audio channel rather than have it use the first audio channel, even if I select the second ;) heh
23:02<Chiphead>OMG : You've not seen the last of willy!
23:02<Chiphead>
23:02<cmorgan>heh
23:02<Chiphead>ivtv dmesg
23:02<cmorgan>yeah
23:02<cmorgan>its a great message ;-)
23:02<Chiphead>never seen it before
23:02<thor_>heh
23:03<thor_>bbeatie, odd ... I thought that was working .... it may depend on your version of transcode
23:03<cmorgan>i'd love to find a wav of that line ;-)
23:03<thor_>(mtd is sort of on the back burner as the mfd should supplant it)
23:04<Chiphead>I cant get any older version to compile... get errors in the saa115
23:04<bbeattie_>thor_: maybe transcode is having issues, I can't select anything but perfect, but transcode is installed and the latest version
23:04<thor_>Chiphead, what kernel source?
23:04<Chiphead>2.4.22
23:04<Chiphead>sry
23:04<Chiphead>2.4.20
23:04<thor_>hm, me too
23:05<Chiphead>with the lastest I got same error and have to define NEW_I2C but thats not in the older code
23:05<thor_>what's saa115 complaining about
23:05<Chiphead>unknown field `inc_use' specified in initializer
23:06<Chiphead>saa7115.c:68:2: warning: #warning Using temporary hack for missing I2C driver-ID for saa7114
23:06<Chiphead>saa7115.c:1105: unknown field `inc_use' specified in initializer
23:06<Chiphead>saa7115.c:1105: warning: excess elements in struct initializer
23:06<Chiphead>saa7115.c:1105: warning: (near initialization for `i2c_driver_saa7114')
23:06<Chiphead>saa7115.c:1106: unknown field `dec_use' specified in initializer
23:06<Chiphead>saa7115.c:1106: warning: excess elements in struct initializer
23:06<Chiphead>saa7115.c:1106: warning: (near initialization for `i2c_driver_saa7114')
23:06<Chiphead>make: *** [saa7115.o] Error 1
23:06<thor_>bbeattie, perfect rips *all* the audio tracks, tell mplayer to use a different one
23:07<thor_>Chiphead .... I dunno ... i2c defined and built in your kernel config ?
23:07<Chiphead>yep
23:07<bbeattie_>thor_: Oh, crap, no wonder it's been 3-5 gigs a movie. Hah, alright, what's the procedure to encode rip just one audio channel? (Does perfect mean it records all video stream on the dvd, ie delete scenes, etc?)?
23:08<thor_>bbeattie, perfect is all of angle 1 of a title (99% of DVD titles have only 1 angle) and all audio tracks
23:08<thor_>if it won't do non-perfect, it may not recognize the format on the disc (what's the mtd.log say?)
23:09<thor_>Chiphead, you copy over the video2 header from utils (I'm grasping at straws here)
23:09<Chiphead>ahh maybe thats it.. Ill compair em
23:10<bbeattie_>21:26:47: DVD inserted: Finding Nemo
23:10<bbeattie_>21:26:47: : Title 1 is of type 2 (dvdinput table)
23:10<bbeattie_>21:26:47: : Title 2 is of type 2 (dvdinput table)
23:10<bbeattie_>up to Title 99, then
23:11<bbeattie_>21:26:47: : Title 99 is of type 2 (dvdinput table)
23:11<bbeattie_>21:28:52: launching job: job dvd 3 2 0 0 -1 /misc/myth/video//Finding Nemo
23:11<bbeattie_>21:28:52: job thread beginning to rip dvd title
23:11<bbeattie_>21:29:43: a client socket has been closed
23:11<bbeattie_>21:55:07: job finished succesfully: job dvd 3 2 0 0 -1 /misc/myth/video//Finding Nemo
23:12<thor_>so it cranks away for 25 minutes, and there's no file left at the end?
23:12<thor_>or you can't select anything but perfect to begin with?
23:13<bbeattie_>there's a file, but it's a 5gig with 5.1, even when I selected English 2 Channel DD for audio,
23:13<thor_>right, but no options other than perfect ?
23:13<bbeattie_>mplayer reports it's 5.1, AC3: 5.1 (3f+2r+lfe) 48000 Hz 448.0 kbit/s ...... AUDIO: 48000 Hz, 2 ch, 16 bit (0x10), ratio: 56000->192000 (448.0 kbit)
23:13<thor_>(perfect doesn't care about your audio selection)
23:13<thor_>it's perfect (throws away no information)
23:14<Chiphead>Ok the videodev2.h in my kernel src is different from all the ones in my ivtv dirs. should I update it or just have the make file point to the one in utils
23:14<thor_>but can you select anything other perfect in the dialog
23:14<bbeattie_>thor_ correct, just being able to select different titles, enable/disable ac3 (Which never has done anything different with or without it, it encodes the exact same file size/md5sum)
23:14<thor_>Chiphead, I have no idea ... I've always copied over from util to driver
23:14<Chiphead>ok
23:15<Chiphead>thast prolly what I did when I first installed 8-15
23:15<thor_>bbeattie, and now .... the magic question ... did you build mythDVD with ./configure --enable-transcode ?
23:15<bbeattie_>yes
23:15<thor_>darn
23:15<pmowry>hehe
23:15<bbeattie_>thor_: I will go and re-encode a dvd, and save the mtd from each,
23:16<bbeattie_>thor_: what is the ac3 option suppost to do, as for me it isn't changing anything.
23:16<thor_>bbeattie, if you can't select anything other than perfect, there's a more fundamental problem
23:17<thor_>the ac3 option, audio track option, etc., etc., only apply to less than perfect transcodes
23:17<thor_>perfect keeps all those audio tracks in place
23:17<thor_>(this is by design)
23:17<thor_>the question is why you can't select anything other than perfect
23:18<bbeattie_>thor_: so perfect will save say all 5 audio subchannels (french 5.1, 2, english 5.1, 2, etc?)
23:18<thor_>yup
23:18<thor_>it's perfect!
23:18<bbeattie_>thor_: I'll run and do some more testing, what option should be there besides perfect if I want perfect video, but only 1 audio subchannel?
23:18<thor_>well ... dvdinput of type 2 ... hang on
23:19<thor_>Excellent, good and medium
23:20<thor_>select * from dvdtranscode where input=2;
23:21<thor_>(you might want to check that yourself, that SQL against your mythconverg )
23:22<thor_>Chiphead, that do it?
23:24<bbeattie_>thor_: so how would one have a perfect video rip, but only 1 subchannel (ie, 2 channel DD, or 5.1 channel, but not both)?
23:24<thor_>you could just add a row to the dvdtranscode table that did no video transformation at all
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23:25<thor_>but audio is such a small percentage when compared to video ...
23:26<thor_>"excellent" for input type 2 does no resizing, but does a 2-pass Xvid/DivX encoding (plus the audio track of your choice)
23:27<bbeattie_>thor_: so excellent should have no noticible (hopefully? :) ..) video quality loss, but will give me just 1 audio channel?
23:28<bbeattie_>(that's probably just rephrasing your statement, but in how my mind thinks (oddly)
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23:33<thor_>yeah, and a lot smaller file
23:42<Chiphead>Thor_ nope. still get that error. its the same error I get when compiling the current w/o -DNEW_I2C
23:47<thor_>hmmm ....
23:47<Chiphead>but that define is not in any of the older stuff
23:47<thor_>you do a make install on the current ... perhaps that left a header around that is getting included on the 9/10 code .... (really, really grasping at straws here)
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23:48<Chiphead>yes I did but it is just copying the modules to the modules dir
23:49<Chiphead>Im reciording right now with the current and it will change recordings in 11 mins and I can see all the errors
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23:51<thor_>I just recompiled mine ... I get the saa7127.c:214:4: warning: #warning Using temporary hack for missing I2C driver-ID for saa7127
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23:52<Chiphead>yeah my errors follow that
23:52<thor_>but it builds just fine
23:52<Chiphead>I get that even in the current with -DNEW_I2C
23:53<pmowry>thor: I got that error in all versions of ivtv I've used. None older than october though.
23:53<pmowry>Even the most recent CVS and from jens' patches.
23:54<pmowry>For an october 15th or Sept 10th, are those versions from sourceforge without tv-out support your talking aboutas stable?
23:55<kvandivo>tvout support was merged in on oct 31/nov 1
23:55<kvandivo>update -D 10/31 doesn't get it, -D 11/01 does
23:56<pmowry> opps, Ment August 15 instead of October, I'm using the November 9th version now.
23:57<Chiphead>do you have a problem with concetive recordes?
23:57<thor_>me ?
23:57<thor_>(No)
23:57<Chiphead>pmowry,
23:58<pmowry>chiphead: Ihave not tried it yet, with the CVS version from about 2 weeks ago, back-to-back was fine.
23:59<pmowry>But the current CVS version segfaults for me on load.
23:59<Chiphead>I get DMA errors and have to reload the driver before myth can record again
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