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---Logopened Tue Nov 18 00:00:19 2003
00:08<cmorgan>i think the faq lists some
00:08<cmorgan>at the very least someone has posted such replies to the mailing list
00:09<DogBoy>Lenolium you could look at knoppmyth
00:09<DogBoy>that's based on knoppix which is debian based
00:10<DogBoy>I think there are packages on the cd
00:10<Lenolium>Ahh.. will search for them
00:10<DogBoy>it's an iso
00:11<DogBoy>http://mysettopbox.tv/
00:13<cmorgan>night everyone
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00:13<warlord>see ya chris
00:13<cmorgan_afk>warlord: night
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01:25<Lenolium>Hrm... this isn't doing well.
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02:03<shamoun>hey all
02:03<shamoun>anyone here got a wintv pvr-350?
02:04<shamoun>is anyone even here?
02:05<DogBoy>i am
02:06<shamoun>DogBoy, wow, its like your in two places at once
02:06<shamoun>DogBoy, how much video processing do you do in linux?
02:06<DogBoy>a lot
02:06<shamoun>i am thinking about replacing windows on my multimedia box since i only use it for capturing video and burning dvds
02:07<shamoun>what about dvd authoring?
02:07<DogBoy>afk
02:07<shamoun>k, i c
02:26<shamoun>hey DogBoy you back yet?
02:27<DogBoy>was on the phone with some chick
02:27<DogBoy>don't tell my mom
02:27<DogBoy>kind of slow in here now
02:27<DogBoy>I see people talking about the 350 in here sometimes though
02:34<shamoun>ahh
02:34<shamoun>well, i need to get some sleep
02:34<shamoun>later all
02:35<tmk>shamoun: i have a 350
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12:40<warlord>when mythfilldatabase reports that I need to "re-run --configure" due to a changed channel lineup, what's the best way to do that?
12:44<Chutt>run tv_grab_na against the config file
12:45<Chutt>--configure --config-file $HOME/.mythtv/<configfile>
12:45<Chutt>i think
12:47<kvandivo>that would make a great ft(bna)q (frequently thought, but not asked, question)
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12:50<warlord>I wonder how that will affect my database..
12:50<Chutt>dunno =)
12:50<kvandivo>mysqldump mythconverg is a wonderful thing
12:50<warlord>Clearly the chanid <-> channel wont map directly anymore..
12:50<Chutt>i very rarely get lineup changes
12:50<Chutt>so that's not much tested
12:51<warlord>It happens here about twice a year, I think.
12:51<warlord>I suppose running setup and clearing the programs will destroy all the stuff I've got set up to record, right?
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12:52<pahli_bar>howdy all
12:52<Chutt>naw
12:52<Chutt>recording's in a different table, that'll just wipe your program db
12:53<pahli_bar>does anyone know of a remote which has customizable key, ie. you can stick stickers on the keys or something so that its totally customized for mythtv
12:53<Chutt>pahli_bar, aren't you the guy that wrote mythnews?
12:53<pahli_bar>Chutt: yup
12:53<kvandivo>a fellow uiucer..
12:53<warlord>but if the chanid changes for a channel, the record db wont match, right?
12:53<Chutt>i never got you cvs access
12:53* kvandivo ruffles pahli_bar's hair playfully.
12:54<Chutt>warlord, ah, true
12:54* pahli_bar ruffles back
12:54<pahli_bar>Chutt: been too busy with work. couldn't come onto irc
12:54<Chutt>heh, no worries
12:55<Chutt>do you want access?
12:55<pahli_bar>Chutt: sure. :)
12:55<Chutt>i dunno if you were planning on working on that plugin anymore or not
12:55<pahli_bar>hutt: I want to spend some time on mythgallery too. add gphoto support and like
12:55<kvandivo>if i say i want access, do i get it?
12:55<Chutt>ok, cool
12:55<pahli_bar>s/hutt/Chutt
12:55* kvandivo grins evily and then goes and sits back down.
12:56<Chutt>kvandivo, depends if i like your recommendations code :p
12:56<kvandivo>but you've already said you aren't going to look at it! I'm screwed! :)
12:56<Chutt>pahli_bar, username?
12:57<pahli_bar>pahli_bar should be fine.
12:57<Chutt>heh, have to --force-badname for that
12:57<pahli_bar>lol
12:57<pahli_bar>its the same for my other software (digikam: digikam.sf.net)
12:58<Chutt>Allowing use of questionable username.
12:58<Chutt>heh
12:59<Chutt>you'll be using something like CVSROOT=pahli_bar@cvs.mythtv.org:/var/lib/mythcvs
12:59<Chutt>with CVS_RSH=ssh
12:59<Chutt>write access is only allowed via ssh
12:59* kvandivo claps loudly.
13:00<pahli_bar>done. thanks a ton
13:00<Chutt>enhancements to mythgallery would be cool =)
13:00<Chutt>it's been pretty unchanging for a long time
13:00<pahli_bar>Chutt: are u the author
13:00<Chutt>yeah
13:01<Chutt>i wrote it in like 2 hours about a year ago, and nothing really major's been done to it since
13:01<pahli_bar>it would be nice to have a d-bus like implementation to receive digikam camera notifications and stuff like that
13:02<pahli_bar>should be fairly easy for me to port code from digikam to it
13:02<Chutt>cool.
13:03<warlord>Chutt: do we care (in general) about handling channel lineup changes in some "graceful" way?
13:03<Chutt>warlord, i think that'd be in my 'it'd be really nice' pile
13:03<Chutt>the 'it'd be really nice, but who has the time these days?' pile =)
13:03* warlord thinks about the right approach...
13:03<Chutt>i'd gladly accept code to do that, of cours
13:04<Chutt>'course'
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13:04<Chutt>might be easiest to read in all the channel info to the db somewhere
13:04<Chutt>have xmltv or whatever perform the update
13:05<Chutt>find what channels moved
13:05<Chutt>modify any scheduled recordings
13:05<Chutt>etc
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13:05<warlord>well, what happens if the change is "in the future"?
13:05<warlord>I.e., how do I effect the change on, e.g. Dec 1st?
13:05<Chutt>heh
13:05<Chutt>i dunno
13:06<Chutt>that would depend on how, say, zap2it handled it
13:08<warlord>Hmm, not sure.
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13:11<warlord>I suspect that zap2it has a different lineup on different days, so what channels you get depends on what day you ask for.
13:14<Chutt>other way would be to modify the db schema to use the xmltv id's instead of generated ones
13:14<Chutt>tv_grab_na uses zap2it's internal channel id for that
13:14<Chutt>so it would be constant across moves
13:14<Chutt>wait, no, it doesn't use that
13:14<Chutt>nevermind =)
13:15<warlord>It doesn't use the internal ID? I thought it did, too.. Hmm...
13:15<Chutt>it's a generated id
13:15<Chutt>has the channel number in it
13:15<warlord>OH. :(
13:15<warlord>duck
13:15<warlord>er, suck
13:15<Chutt>i really, really want zap2it's datadirect service :(
13:16<warlord>how much $$$ is that??
13:16<Chutt>don't know
13:16<Chutt>it's still not launched
13:16<warlord>ah
13:17<Chutt>it'd be so nice, though
13:17<Chutt>complete data
13:17<Chutt>fast downloads
13:22* warlord sighs wistfully
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13:35<farce>is there a feature to add or chnage the descriptions of tv shows by hand built into mythtv?
13:36<farce>s/nag/ang/
13:36<farce>recorded tv shows that is.
13:41<bbeattie>Chutt: any idea why if I built a new system and moved my sql database over, song rating (The stars) do not appear at all in the gui, problem with the database, or the gui displaying the stars do you think?
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14:59<StuartL>Ooh, didn't know there was a channel for Myth.
14:59<StuartL>Heh.
14:59<sfr>hehe
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15:01<StuartL>I deduce from your channel membership that you have a PVR card yourself, sfr ?
15:01<sfr>a pvr350, yes.
15:02<warlord>one of these days I'll get tv-out working on my -350 in a stable manner.
15:04<StuartL>Aha.
15:04<StuartL>Is it not stable? :(
15:04<warlord>not for me.. but I've got "break anything computer" karma.
15:05<StuartL>I sold my 250 (for the price I paid for it ;)) and bought the 350 so that I can get a decent TV pic.
15:05<StuartL>The EPIA TV out isn't great.
15:05<StuartL>But now I suspect that FreEPIA won't work any more as the framebuffer isn't on the mobo video card.
15:05<StuartL>So somehow I need to set up my own distro.
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15:06<StuartL>Hence being here, see how everyone else has got MythTV working.
15:08<StuartL>hfb: You about?
15:09<hfb>I am.
15:12<hfb>StuartL: I just got the PVR 250. Over time, I will probably regret not getting the PVR 350. :)
15:12<StuartL>heehee.
15:12<StuartL>What have you done WRT software?
15:13<StuartL>I'm currently picking my distro to put MythTV onto...
15:13<StuartL>I was using Freepia but it's a bit limiting...
15:14<hfb>StuartL: I have not worked on my PVR in a while, but I plan too soon. I've been really busy.
15:14<hfb>My epia is not currently being used, but to avoid the hassle, I was probably just going to install Mandrake on it.
15:14<StuartL>Fair enough, I've been idle for a few weeks myself.
15:15<hfb>Weeks! I've been idle for a few months.
15:16<StuartL>:)
15:18<hfb>StuartL: Thanks for reminding me. I was going lookup the difference between distro versions.
15:21<StuartL>I'm downloading Gentoo at the moment.
15:21<StuartL>Looks quiet interesting.
15:28<kvandivo>be prepared to spend some quality time with it
15:29<mikegrb>I like portage
15:29<kvandivo>nod
15:29<mikegrb>not crazy about compiling everything from src but the package managment is great
15:30<GreyFoxx>Personally I prefer to compile everything myself. Hence why I use Slackware,
15:30<GreyFoxx>But Gentoo is pretty nifty
15:30<kvandivo>its a nice distro if you go into it familiar enough with unix to know what you want
15:31<kvandivo>it would take someone with the patience of Job to try gentoo if they don't know unix and what they want out of it
15:32<mikegrb>heh
15:32<mikegrb>yes
15:32<GreyFoxx>I'm a control freak/sadist so compiling everything manually works for me :)
15:33<kvandivo>honestly, i switched to gentoo because i got tired of filling out those stupid redhat surveys every 18 minutes, and sound had quit working on my main box..
15:33<mikegrb>kvandivo: heh indeed
15:33<GreyFoxx>Surveys?
15:33<kvandivo>ya... for the up2date stuff
15:33<GreyFoxx>Ouch
15:33<mikegrb>that is why I switched my home file server
15:33<kvandivo>(that's an exxageration.. but it is still annoying)
15:33<mikegrb>and my colo is gentoo for that reason
15:34<GreyFoxx>I haven't voluntarily installed RedHat in years so I've avoided most of that. Usually these days if I do anything on a Redhat box someone else had installed it
15:36<StuartL>I feel pretty happy with RedWareDebdrake so I'm hoping that gentoo won't be too bad...
15:36<GreyFoxx>hehe
15:36<sfr>StuartL: ...drakuSe that is ;)
15:38<StuartL>Hahah :)
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16:41<StuartL>Hmm.
16:41<StuartL>How do you tell MythTV to use the framebuffer on the PVR350 for its X11 output instead of the onboard video?
16:48<warlord>i dont know -- I just set ivtv-fb as :0.0
16:49<StuartL>Ah, so you use the generic X11 FB driver?
16:49<warlord>no
16:49<StuartL>How does DivX playback perform on the offboard FB?
16:49<StuartL>Ooh, what have I missed?
16:49<warlord>no clue. I dont play back divx
16:50<warlord>Would you like me to dcc you my XF86Config?
16:50<warlord>(I'll note that I do get errors about missing glx driver)
16:51<StuartL>Ooh, yeah, please.
16:51<StuartL>I havent' got so far as putting gentoo/X on it yet but that would be handy.
16:52<StuartL>While I feel pretty happy about most things Linux my X11 knowledge is worse than limited.
16:54<StuartL>warlord: Ta :)
16:55<warlord>you're welcome.
16:56<farce>X11 is... redo the config til it works!
16:56* StuartL laughs
16:56<StuartL>That was my problem.
16:56<warlord>it's true..
16:56<warlord>what was?
16:56<StuartL>Last time I played with X was about 8 years ago, got SO fed up with it.
16:56<StuartL>Change config, didn't work.
16:56<StuartL>Change config, didn't work.
16:56<StuartL>at infinitum.
16:56<StuartL>s/at/ad/
16:57<warlord>note that you'll need to adjust the /dev/fbX and pci location..
16:57<StuartL>Yeah, got that.
16:57<StuartL>Curious to know why it needs the PCI bus location...
17:00<warlord>No clue.
17:00<warlord>but it does
17:00<StuartL>Heh, if you comment it out it breaks?
17:01<warlord>i dont know -- i haven't tried.
17:01<warlord>try asking in #ivtv-dev
17:02<StuartL>Heheh.
17:02<StuartL>It's dead in there.
17:02<StuartL>I think they're all down the pub :)
17:02<warlord>I've got a couple hours until I go..
17:02<warlord>;)
17:08<kvandivo>you bostonians and your pubs...
17:10<warlord>got something against it?
17:10<kvandivo>never been there, actually
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17:11<Cloak>the weather is evil
17:11<Cloak>this winter is gonna be rough
17:17<warlord>maybe.
17:17<warlord>we'll see.
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18:32<shamoun>hey all
18:32<cmorgan>hello
18:33<shamoun>cmorgan, do you do alot of video processing in linux?
18:33<cmorgan>shamoun: probably not, i've been using myth a little bit though
18:34<shamoun>see, the only thing i use my windows box for is video processing, capture, and burning dvds (backups of videos, not data), i am thinking about replacing windows with linux on that machine since i like linux more, and i am anxius to try a codec i was told about that is linux only
18:34<shamoun>cmorgan, do you have a video4linux capture card, or a hardware card?
18:35<cmorgan>i've got a pvr350
18:35<shamoun>how does it work with mythtv?
18:35<cmorgan>hardware encoding/decoding
18:36<cmorgan>supposably it works quite well, the ivtv driver change from the other day has greatly improved stability for me
18:36<shamoun>yes, i know of the card, i mean are there any major problems?
18:36<cmorgan>i haven't really been using it all that much, mostly trying to debug the driver problems that were just fixed ;-)
18:37<sfr>same card here. recording has never given me problems. as for the decoder/tv-out i haven't set that up yet.
18:38<shamoun>hmmm, k00
18:38<shamoun>cmorgan, so you can code?
18:38<cmorgan>shamoun: i'd like to think so ;-) not too familar with ivtv or myth yet
18:39<shamoun>cmorgan, what lang do you do?
18:39<cmorgan>c/c++ at work
18:39<shamoun>language*
18:39<shamoun>ahh
18:39<cmorgan>you interested in hacking on myth?
18:39<shamoun>could you recommend a tutorial for c++?
18:39<shamoun>i interested in learning to code
18:39<cmorgan>you know c?
18:40<shamoun>no, no coding experience, other than html
18:40<shamoun>but that really isn't comparable
18:40<cmorgan>c++ is built on c
18:40<cmorgan>so you'll want to get familar with c first, then move on
18:40<shamoun>well, i spoke to someone on #c and they said that the two are two seperate languages and so i should persuit c++, and not c
18:41<sfr>he, others say to start with c++ right away.
18:41<shamoun>sfr, and what do you say?
18:42<sfr>can't give you an advise. i'm about a coder as much as you.
18:42<shamoun>i c
18:42<shamoun>i guess ill start out on the weekend, a whole week off
18:42<D-side>c++ over c? thats an interesting opinion.
18:42<sfr>well, i started to learn c++ a bit, so i could submit some patches for myth, mythmusic mostly.
18:42<D-side>one would think c to c++ would be the logical progression.
18:43<shamoun>damn semester projects, got 2 due friday
18:43<cmorgan>c++ is c with objects and other language features added on
18:43<sfr>D-side: i think it's b/c of the oo concept of c++.
18:43<cmorgan>so i too think its easier to learn c first, you get the syntax down, then you add on the complexity of objects and how to deal with them
18:44<D-side>sfr: so what though?
18:44<D-side>the kernel is pure c. thats why i'd go for that first. :)
18:44<shamoun>well, somebody told me that thinking in c++ is a good book to progress from c to c++, but i am concerned about what to use for learning c
18:45<cmorgan>shamoun: do a few searches on learning c
18:45<cmorgan>you should be able to learn it by looking at examples on the web
18:45<shamoun>cmorgan, thanx for the info
18:46<sfr>D-side: i guess it also depends on what you want to code. as myth is in c++ i started with that.
18:46<D-side>sfr: true, but i've always been of the "learn to walk before you run" mindset.
18:47<cmorgan>shamoun: c++ inside and out by bruce eckel is one of my favorites, i learned a ton from that book
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18:47<cmorgan>you don't want to end up as one of those people that always proposes a c++ solution to every problem
18:48<cmorgan>i remember when c++ was being pushed hard, it was the solution for everything ;-) heh
18:48<shamoun>cmorgan, cool, i wanted to know so that i wouldn't waste much time
18:48<cmorgan>shamoun: see if you can't pick that book up for cheap, its worth the read
18:48<shamoun>cmorgan, bruce eckels books are all available on his website for download
18:49<sfr>as the windows kernel is mostly c++ it must be a good thing. *ducks*
18:49<cmorgan>shamoun: excellent
18:49* shamoun thought windows was mostly delphi
18:49<sfr>delphi, the oracle? ;)
18:49<shamoun>exactly what is delphi anyway?
18:50<cmorgan>like visual basic
18:51<sfr>isn't it based on pascal?
18:51<cmorgan>it might be, but i'm almost positive it is a high level language like that
18:51<shamoun>http://www.pegasosppc.com/ <--this is pretty cool
18:52<sfr>i've never seen delphi code, so
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18:52<cmorgan>ha, debian ;-)
18:53<D-side>i used to be in love with debian.
18:53<D-side>now its more like a dirty love triangle between myself, debian, and gentoo.
18:53<cmorgan>you switch to something else?
18:53<D-side>no, not switched.
18:53<D-side>debian is on my servers, with gentoo on anything that has to be decently current.
18:53* shamoun loves debian, gentoo, freebsd
18:53<D-side>fedora is on my laptop, but i dont expect to do much with it.
18:54<cmorgan>why not run debian unstable?
18:54<shamoun>it is all about package management
18:54<cmorgan>then you get all of the latest stuff
18:54<shamoun>i am running debian unstable
18:54<sfr>dito
18:54<cmorgan>and no need to compile it all on your pc, i don't have that kind of time
18:54<D-side>i used to run sid.
18:54<D-side>then sid cornholed me.
18:55<cmorgan>heh
18:55<D-side>now granted, thats when potato was stable
18:55<D-side>but i dont care. f sid.
18:55<shamoun>if you ever feel really evil, ask a friend if they want help with their computer and put mandrake on it when they're not looking
18:55<cmorgan>unstable has been good to me for a couple of years now
18:55<D-side>and a backported sarge doesnt count either.
18:55<cmorgan>and its so sweet to just apt-get dist-upgrade
18:55<shamoun>kde doesn't work in sid
18:55<D-side>cmorgan: i did that on the rh9 laptop, to fedora. :)
18:55<shamoun>i tried installing and the package is broken
18:56<shamoun>but im really a xfce/gnome guy
18:56<cmorgan>has the database format for myth changed in cvs?
18:56<cmorgan>i initialized my db around .12 time, a few weeks ago, need to reinit it now?
18:56<D-side>i'm too sissy to run the cvs, so i dont know.
18:57<sfr>cmorgan: the db is updated automatically since some time now (after 0.12 was released)
18:57<cmorgan>sfr: neat. how is that done btw?
18:58<sfr>thats for mythtv. iirc also for most of the plugins.
18:58<shamoun>well, i need a shower, later all
18:58<cmorgan>sfr: someone writes a procedure to migrate up each time the db changes?
18:58<sfr>cmorgan: the db has a version field now. if it's too low, it's being updated.
18:58<sfr>someone = Chutt, yes.
18:59<cmorgan>bleh
18:59<cmorgan>so i've no icon for "system status" and trying to watch live tv segfaults the backend and frontend with cvs... heh
18:59<harba>cmorgan: when you run setup, the db gets updated - at least it did when i installed cvs
19:00<sfr>afair also happens when you run the frontend/backend.
19:01<sfr>cmorgan: see mythtv/libs/libmythtv/dbcheck.cpp
19:01<cmorgan>anyone else seeing backend crashing?
19:02<sfr>i'd love to answer no, but yes. mostly it's the frontend only though.
19:02<cmorgan>i go to watch live tv and both crash
19:03<warlord>cmorgan: i have no icon, either.
19:03<sfr>there is spoon, err icon.
19:03<sfr>sigh, no ...
19:03<cmorgan>warlord: maybe they have no good icon yet? ;-)
19:03<warlord>cmorgan: I was seeing some backend crashes, but not since I've turned on coredumps.
19:03<cmorgan>ha
19:04<warlord>:)
19:04<cmorgan>gdb is reporting a very odd backtrace
19:04<cmorgan>stack looks corrupted
19:04<cmorgan>even gdb says that ;-) hehe
19:04<warlord>You're on RH9?
19:05<cmorgan>debian unstable
19:06<warlord>oh. hmm..
19:09<cmorgan>building valgrind cvs
19:09<cmorgan>maybe that will find something with the backend
19:11<warlord>have fun!
19:11<cmorgan>:-P
19:11<warlord>:)
19:14<cmorgan>i'm thinking it is a qt issue
19:14<cmorgan>its odd though, both frontend and backend fail with the same stack
19:15<cmorgan>trace that is
19:16<warlord>hmm...
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19:43<cmorgan>maybe due to using gcc-3.3
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19:45<CyberKnet>anyone get their 179's yet?
19:50<billytwowilly>CyberKnet: I don't know what 179's are, or else I'd respond;)
19:53<CyberKnet>heh.
19:53<CyberKnet>AverMedia M179's. There was an auction on Ebay and several other Myth people put in orders.
19:53<CyberKnet>Was curious if anyone had received them yet.
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20:02<sinclaird>this is way off topic, but where can i go to help troubleshoot a tv card? Its bad if a tv card has electrical feedback and shocks you when you unplug the cable right?
20:03<cmorgan>hah
20:03<cmorgan>it does that each time you unplug the cable?
20:03<sinclaird>ya, a low shock
20:04<sinclaird>and the picture on channels 2,3,4,5 is fuzzy with artificats and wavy lines
20:04<cmorgan>it doesn't happen if you touch the cable itself when it isn't attached to the card?
20:04<sinclaird>no
20:04<cmorgan>hmm
20:04<cmorgan>very strange
20:05<sinclaird>i checked with a multimeter unpluggin the cable from the wall but plugged into the computer and there was feedback:(
20:05<cmorgan>how much voltage?
20:05<cmorgan>must be a bit to be feeling it...
20:05<cmorgan>not sure where that could be coming from
20:05<sinclaird>ya, it freaked out the cable guy when he was here
20:06<cmorgan>and not from your computer case or something?
20:06<sinclaird>cmorgan: i don't know, i get shocked when unscreweing or screwing in the cable
20:06<sinclaird>hmm, i removed my avermedia tv card and now only channel 2 has artifacts
20:06<cmorgan>try seeing if you can get it to happen if you touch the metal back of the card
20:07<sinclaird>could 2 tv cards in slots next to each other be a problem?
20:07<sinclaird>nope nothing since i removed the avermedia card
20:07<cmorgan>very strange
20:08<cmorgan>the card would have to have a transformer on it to raise the voltage up enough to shock you i would think
20:08<sinclaird>the card in there now is an old old hauppauge wintv radio 401
20:08<sinclaird>like '99
20:09<cmorgan>anyone here have an asus a7n8x-vm mb?
20:10<sinclaird>i have 1 cable feed from the wall and a 4 way splitter. 1 to cable modem, 1 to tv, 2 to mythbackend. The channels all look fine on tv, but i have problems on the mythbackend 2,3,4,5 channels
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20:10<sinclaird>cmorgan: i do on my frontend
20:10<jasonr111>hello all
20:10<cmorgan>yours have holes around the cpu socket?
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20:12<sinclaird>nope
20:12<cmorgan>it appears that they just weren't drilled out
20:13<jasonr111>quick mythweb question (permissions related) that I am stumped on... all seems well, except for the channel logos. I keep getting is_file() stat failed errors.(permission denied) .... I can't seem to locate problem. I have looked round the code a bit, and can't locate it. Does anyone know 1) what dir the icons should be in and 2) the obvious fix?
20:13<cmorgan>i'd like to mount the zallman fan i got but that would require me to take the chance that they didn't route any traces or planes there
20:16<jasonr111>cmorgan - try a really bright flashlight under the board, look from top - may give you a clue as to if there are traces there
20:17<cmorgan>i thought about trying that
20:17<cmorgan>i'm actually more tempted to hand it over to a friend that works in a place with an x-ray machine
20:17<jasonr111>note the <clue> tho ;-)
20:17<jasonr111>expensive mobo?
20:17<cmorgan>heh
20:17<cmorgan>maybe 120 bucks
20:18<jasonr111>tried google for a zallman forum to see if anyone has tried what you are talking about?
20:18<cmorgan>i should do another google for that actually
20:18<cmorgan>if someone else did it then i should be all set ;-)
20:19<jasonr111>well, you hope
20:19<jasonr111>=)
20:20<jasonr111>anyone have the channel icons workin in mythweb?
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20:21<cmorgan>can't find anything about it
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20:23<sinclaird>cmorgan: i would get a different heatsink - i use a slk800 with a panaflo l1a and it is silent
20:24<cmorgan>yeah
20:24<cmorgan>i sent a comment to asus and they said about the same thing
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20:50<jasonr111>any mythweb experts here?
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21:13<Chang>Anybody seeing xmltv problem connecting to zap2it?
21:14<cmorgan>saw one a minute ago
21:28<cmorgan>damnit all
21:28<cmorgan>unable to connect to database
21:28<cmorgan>running a remote frontend
21:30<cmorgan>i did the grant all line on the database, modified the remote frontend's mysql.txt file and it still isn't connecting..
21:35<cmorgan>ideas?
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21:37<sinclaird>cmorgan: can you connect from mysql directly?
21:38<cmorgan>to the remote machine?
21:38<sinclaird>from remote to database on backend via mysql command line
21:38<cmorgan>having trouble connecting from the frontend machine to the backend using just mysql --host=192.168.1.160 the backend's ip
21:42<cmorgan>still can't connect, bleh
21:42<cmorgan>could i somehow have the port not forwarding?
21:52<cmorgan>so connecting to the machines ip from the backend machine fails, connecting using localhost succeeds...wtf...
21:54<cmorgan>yay
21:54<cmorgan>/etc/mysql/my.cnf has "skip-networking" set
21:54<cmorgan>bleh
21:56<cmorgan>someone should add that to the faq under the debian section
21:57<sinclaird>oh thanks for mentioning that
21:58<sinclaird>I can't get it to compile on debian with .12 though i get ivtv errors.
21:58<cmorgan>get ivtv to compile?
21:58<sinclaird>i cant get mythtv to compile. It fails with ivtv errors
21:59<sinclaird>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/perl/mailarc/gforum.cgi?post=88893;search_string=videoout_ivtv.cpp;guest=1595098&t=search_engine#88893 <thats my error
22:01<cmorgan>known problem
22:01<cmorgan>upgrade myth to a more recent version
22:01<cmorgan>upgrade ivtv to match
22:02<cmorgan>i posted a solution to the mailing list but a day later a new ivtv was merged in and things were fixed
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22:05<sinclaird>cmorgan: ya i was going to use .12 because my backend is gentoo and .12 is in portage
22:06<sinclaird>I guess I should just use cvs on the backend huh?
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22:28<sinclaird>how do i test a mysql connection from frontend to backend on command line?
22:29<cmorgan>mysql --host=backendipaddress
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22:32<sinclaird>i can't get my debian frontend to talk to the gentoo mysql backend. Btw, thanks for that patch to .12 on the list. I used it and it worked well
22:35<cmorgan>which patch?
22:35<cmorgan>i think someone else sent in a patch after i mailed about the problem(that other people already were aware of)
22:35<cmorgan>is it a db issue between the two?
22:36<sinclaird>ya, i can't connect via mysql --host either
22:36<sinclaird>i am running .12 release since that is in gentoo
22:36<sinclaird>ahh i think the bind address is wrong
22:37<sinclaird>can i have 2 addresses in bind address?
22:37<cmorgan> you modified your /usr/local/share/mythtv/mysql.txt on the frontend machine? changed the host to the backend?
22:37<knight->revdep-rebuild?
22:37<sinclaird>ya, but on the backend the bind-address is 127.0.0.1 not 192.168.0.99
22:38<cmorgan>yeah you need to have an actual address i think if you want to have a remote frontend
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22:40<sinclaird>ok i fixed bind address now i get:
22:40<sinclaird>access denied for user " 'root@192.168.0.102' (Using password:NO)
22:40<cmorgan>run the command to give access to the database on the backend machine]
22:41<cmorgan>mysql -u root mythconverg
22:41<cmorgan>grant all on mythconverg.* to etc... in the mysql section of the faq
22:41<sinclaird>err sorry mythtv@... not root@...
22:41<sinclaird>how do i add the mythtv user to mysql on the backend?
22:42<sinclaird>and does it matter if the backend is running as root not mysql?
22:42<cmorgan>you are running mysql on the backend right?
22:42<cmorgan>so the database should be fine, you just need to grant permissions on it correctly i think
22:43<sinclaird>ok its working...thanks very very much for your help
22:43<sinclaird>everytime i cease to be a newbie at one thing i am a newbie at something else
22:43<cmorgan>its neverending really
22:44<cmorgan>the only solution is to make changes as you find problems to keep the same from occuring to the next guy, if possible
22:45<sinclaird>well crap, i just connected from frontend and now it is taking 100%cpu on a xp 2400 on the backend - is .12 buggy? should i upgrade to cvs?
22:46<cmorgan>i can't watch live tv with cvs
22:46<cmorgan>it just bombs out immediately
22:46<cmorgan>should know if recorded shows play alright in a few, want to wait until csi finishes up before trying it
22:46<bbeattie>cmorgan: I'm also trying to get a backend going, I can never connected to my backend server, shouldn't a mysql -h <address> -u mythtv -p work to connect to the database? (This does not work though)
22:47<cmorgan>just a mysql -h IP should work
22:47<cmorgan>what does this give you?
22:47<sinclaird>bbeattie: yes, check the bind-address on the server
22:47<sinclaird>in my.conf
22:47<bbeattie>mythtv@mindseye:~$ mysql -h 192.168.13.5 -u mythtv -p
22:47<bbeattie>ld.so: Incorrectly built binary which accesses errno or h_errno directly.
22:47<bbeattie>ld.so: See /usr/share/doc/libc6/FAQ.gz.
22:47<bbeattie>Enter password:
22:47<bbeattie>ERROR 2003: Can't connect to MySQL server on '192.168.13.5' (111)
22:47<sinclaird>and make sure there is no skip-networking
22:47<cmorgan>bbeattie: running debian?
22:47<bbeattie>yes, on both systems, cvs compile
22:48<sinclaird>cmorgan: is it ok for backend to run as root on my gentoo box?
22:48<sinclaird>cmorgan: with mythtv user on frontend
22:48<cmorgan>bbeattie: edit your /etc/mysql/my.cnf and comment out the "skip-networking" line with a #
22:48<cmorgan>bbeattie: then restart mysql via /etc/init.d/mysql restart
22:48<cmorgan>this is on the backend btw
22:48<cmorgan>you should be all set then
22:49<cmorgan>sinclaird: i run my backend as root... it isn't the best for security but....
22:50<bbeattie>mysql -p -u root mythconverg -h 192.168.13.5 does not work but (from localhost) mysql -p -u root mythconverg -h 1 does, which means it's a name problem, .. do you nkow the problem off the top of your head on that?
22:50<bbeattie>l=localhost
22:50<cmorgan>did you follow the directions in the faq for granting access to the database?
22:50<sinclaird>cmorgan: ok thanks for the tip - any reason my backend would jump to %95cpu when idle? is there auto transcoding now? i haven't used myth since .7
22:51<cmorgan>sinclaird: no idea
22:51<sinclaird>bbettie: what is the bind-address in my.conf?
22:51<bbeattie>cmorgan: yes, I have. the low security one also
22:52<cmorgan>you restarted your mysql?
22:52<cmorgan>can the frontend connect or does it report the same (111) error?
22:53<bbeattie>same 111, I see no bind address in /etc/mysql/my.conf
22:53<bbeattie>/etc/mysql/debian.conf has host=localhost,
22:53<sinclaird>bbeattie: host=$yourprivip
22:54<cmorgan>i've nothing in my /etc/mysql/debian.cnf file
22:59<bbeattie>cmorgan: hmm,
22:59<bbeattie>031118 20:59:17 Error at /etc/init.d/mysql\n/usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at '192.168.13.5' failed
22:59<bbeattie>error: 'Can't connect to MySQL server on '192.168.13.5' (111)'
22:59<bbeattie>Check that mysqld is running on 192.168.13.5 and that the port is 3306.
22:59<bbeattie>You can check this by doing 'telnet 192.168.13.5 3306'
22:59<cmorgan>bbeattie: so you've removed the "skip-networking" and restarted mysql right??
23:00<bbeattie>cmorgan: correct
23:00<bbeattie>mysql will no longer restart now, that's the error
23:00<cmorgan>hmm
23:00<cmorgan>?
23:00<cmorgan>you restarted the service /etc/init.d/mysql restart?
23:00<bbeattie>correct, and with the host/ip change, mysql will not start
23:02<cmorgan>host change?
23:02<cmorgan>where?
23:03<bbeattie>In debian.conf, the host = localhost was in that file, that was changed to 192.168.13.5, the IP of the system,
23:03<cmorgan>maybe comment that line out?
23:03<cmorgan>i don't have it on my machine
23:04<bbeattie>with no host= defined, I can only connect via -h localhost
23:04<cmorgan>oh my bad, didn't have access to that file as a normal user
23:04<cmorgan>i have localhost as my host
23:05<bbeattie>I'm back to the 111 error now. :-/
23:08<bbeattie>cmrogan: alright, closer, now I'm just being denied, ;)
23:08<cmorgan>you grant access correctly? ;-)
23:09<bbeattie>mysql> grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"192.168.13.%" identified by "mythtv";
23:09<bbeattie>Query OK, 0 rows affected (0.00 sec)
23:09<cmorgan>works now?
23:09<bbeattie>not quite, still looking into why, :-/
23:10<bbeattie>appears so, but odly, wrong password? ;)
23:11<cmorgan>try with the frontend
23:12<bbeattie>hmm, a -h 192.168.13.5 requries u/p mythtv/mythtv but a -h localhost requires a u/p of mythtv/access (Which is the correct password for this system) and the -h 192.168.13.5 process is needed if done really on localhost, or the remote frontend,
23:12<cmorgan>exactly what you want i think
23:13<cmorgan>should be all set
23:13<bbeattie>any ideas on that? l)
23:13<bbeattie>I
23:13<cmorgan>can you connect with the frontend?
23:13<bbeattie>I'd like the u/p of mythtv/access though
23:13<bbeattie>going to try frontend, brb,
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23:18<rkulagow>hey all. any chatter about the frontend displaying mis-matched program titles/descriptions in the Watch Recordings screen?
23:19<bbeattie>cmorgan: I believe it is, (ie, I have mysql shutdown on the "frontend" and I moved it's database to the "backend" and when I load music, or video's, I get information .. Is this proof it's working? (Or could data be being pulled from what "used to beon the frontend"?
23:20<cmorgan>bbeattie: if you've modified your /usr/local/share/mythtv/mysql.txt file to point to the backend then it should be working correctly
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23:22<bbeattie>cmorgan: odd, xmltv isn't pulling up data for mythfilldatabase, and the setup program is no longer returning providers for my area.
23:23<cmorgan>hmm
23:23<cmorgan>off to bed, night everyone
23:23<bbeattie>cmorgan: I would like to start with a new/fresh DB, however, I'd like to keep all my song ratings, is there a way just to import the musicdb settings?
23:23<cmorgan>bbeattie: not sure
23:23<cmorgan>bbeattie: shouldn't need to start with a new db
23:23<bbeattie>(Just copy over the mythmusic db files?
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23:34<GreyFoxx>Assuming akk if the ratings are kept in a single table just mysql dump that table only. Then reinstall/recreate your entire database, drop the music table and reimport from your dump
23:34<bbeattie>alright, I'll give that a try, but dumping!=scp'ing over the music db files does it? ;)
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23:35<GreyFoxx>Assuming you get all of them. Personally I prefer to dump/reimport but to each their own :)
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23:35<bbeattie>ped the sorry,
23:35<bbeattie>as soon as I posted my question, X crashed.
23:35<GreyFoxx>doh
23:36<bbeattie>is it as simple as copying over the music db files?
23:36<GreyFoxx>mysqldump will give you a text "copy" of the data which you can then pipe back into mysql to recreate the table
23:36<GreyFoxx>Or the entire database depending on the dump
23:36<bbeattie>alright, I'll try that,
23:37<bbeattie>Ive got to install a hdtv card in this backend, and see if it can handle writing to disk only (p3 450 ;)
23:37<bbeattie>BBin 20
23:37<GreyFoxx>You "normally" you use mysqldump to dump an entire database, but you can specify a specific table too
23:38<bbeattie>k
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