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---Logopened Wed Nov 26 00:00:04 2003
00:01<robbie_>hehe, just dropped in my dads myth box, had to up all font sizes under 20 by 10
00:01<robbie_>in the ui.xml files
00:01<robbie_>actualy looks quite a bit better this way
00:02<dopez>hehe
00:11<robbie_>crikey, thats a gazillion times better
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00:24<ChaosExiguum>what dpi settting were you using in X?
00:25<ChaosExiguum>I found starting X with 'startx -- -dpi 100' fixed my fonts up nice and readable
00:26<robbie_>hmm
00:26<robbie_>leme look
00:27<robbie_>well my xserverrc has dpi set to 75
00:27<robbie_>oops
00:27<robbie_>100
00:29<robbie_>hmm good point, i copied xserverrc to ~ and its nice
00:39<Octane>any recommendation for partitions?
00:39<robbie_>yes, a big lvm
00:39<robbie_>so you can make it bigger
00:39<robbie_>and xfs
00:40<robbie_>ChaosExiguum: you know if 120dpi fints are available ?
00:40<Octane>should i have a seperate partition for cache?
00:42<robbie_>aha, so i just specify 120 and it calculates, nice
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01:02<rcam>Hi
01:03<pmowry>I'm practically useless here, but I'll say Hi anyway =)
01:08<dopez>well, i can say hi too ;)
01:23<rcam>hey dopez :)
01:23<dopez>heya ;)
01:24<rcam>So my MythTV install got screwed.
01:24<rcam>Apt-get = bad
01:25<rcam>Apt-get upgrade broke my Mysql database.
01:25<rcam>I have no idea why.
01:26<dopez>apt-get was never bad for me ;)
01:26<rcam>I love APT-get.. I wish I knew what happened.
01:26<rcam>O well... Time to reinstall.
01:28<dopez>sometimes it happens with debian sid tho
01:28<rcam>sid>
01:28<rcam>?
01:28<rcam>I use KnopMyth
01:28<rcam>Which is debian.
01:29<dopez>not sure
01:33<rcam>dopez Do you use WineX?
01:34<dopez>yep
01:35<dopez>why?
01:45<pmowry>hmm, anyone try to compile current CVS for mythtv? mythdialogs.cpp dies for me.
01:46<DogBoy>rcam, apt-get upgrade is a bad idea on knoppix
01:46<rcam>O.
01:48<dopez>pmowry: compiling at the moment, no errors yet.
01:49<pmowry>dopez: its in the native lirc code.
01:50<pmowry>mythdialogs.cpp:339: `ignore_lirc_keys' undeclared (first use this function)
01:51<pmowry>ignore_lirc_keys is defined in another function, I have not found a typo in a header file or anything yet.
01:54<pmowry>Sorry, its defined in class MythMainWindowPrivate
01:54<pmowry>so I think "else if (ce->type() == kLircKeycodeEventType && !ignore_lirc_keys)" should be
01:54<pmowry>else if (ce->type() == kLircKeycodeEventType && !d->ignore_lirc_keys)
01:57<dopez>i got the same compile error here
01:58<pmowry>It's referenced again later without a class pointer. I dont know enough about it to usefully hack at it.
01:58<dopez>but im very close to pass out tho, so i doubt i'll see it compile today :)
01:58<dopez>same here
02:05<pmowry>I'll look at it a bit. I'll leave a message on the -dev mailing list as well.
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04:03<hadees>anyone know of a program that edits divx files on linux?
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05:11<Octane>i cant use alsa. im tring to use oss. it works with original kernel on my box but it doesnt with the atrpm custom kernel. anyone know how to get it working?
05:39<knight->heh
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07:09<Octane>anyone here? i cant get alsa working nor can i get oss working in atrpms
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08:00<rcam>hI
08:00<rcam>Octane I am here.
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08:12<Octane>hiya :)
08:12<Octane>im just gonna try mythtv with kernel sound options
08:13<Octane>i tried to get alsa and oss working for 4 hours
08:13<Octane>but to no avail
08:13<Octane>and i have a creative sb live
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10:00<rcam>Hello.
10:01<rcam>Whats the command to populate the tv guide?
10:01<rcam>mythchanneldatabase or something?
10:17<thor_>mythfilldatabase
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10:21<knight->development seems to have slowed down for the holidays :)
10:22<knight->must not be cold enough to keep everyone indoors coding
10:22<knight->:P
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12:39<mchou>hi choenig, I need some clarification about wol usage with your sdwu patch....
12:40<mchou>finally got around to swapping my mobo out with one that supports wol properly:)....
12:42<mchou>choenig, you there??
12:49<nulltank>Octane: alsa is harder for me to get working, but oss works fine for me by just adding sound card support and the sblive (emu10k1) module (or built in if you prefer)
12:50<nulltank>right now i have alsa working (with about 15 modules), but i can't change the volume
12:50<nulltank>i think i'm going to go back to oss
12:50<nulltank>Octane: i'm using gentoo BTW
12:54<choenig>hi mchou
13:05<mchou>sorry, choenig, otherwise preoccupied.....
13:05<mchou>anyhow, I'm confused about the wol setup, having used rtc alarm before.....
13:05<choenig>what confuses you?
13:07<mchou>I'd like a separate server issue ether-wake. But I'm confused about nc. you need nc on wol server and MBE, correct?
13:07<choenig>nope, only on the mythbackend
13:07<choenig>but you need (x)inetd and a little script on the waking machine
13:09<mchou>well, there's the confusion. how does the wol server "know" the wakeup time? MBE pipes the wakeup data via nc to wol server, no?
13:09<choenig>right
13:09<mchou>so nc -l -p is not needed on wol server?
13:10<choenig>and (x)inetd starts the little script which gets the wakeuptime using read
13:10<mchou>ahh, gotcha....
13:11<mchou>ok, thanks, I think I understand now.
13:12<choenig>no problem :)
13:13<mchou>so I assume that sdwu still doesn't work for the case of multiple frontends? Sure would make life easier if this patch is part of base code. :(
13:13<choenig>multiple FEs? what do you mean?
13:15<mchou>well, I forget what exactly the prob. was, but Chutt mentioned something to this effect, and hasn't made this patch part of the baseline code. I might be mistaken about the exact problem....
13:15<choenig>I'd like to see that in cvs, too, but I don't think that ever gets there, maybe somebody else gives Isaac something better then my stuff :-)
13:15<mchou>well, that's the thing. I'm trying to understand what exactly the issue is, maybe try to fix it or something :).....
13:15<choenig>there was a problem with multiple BEs that is fixed now. I don't know of an issue with multiple FEs
13:16<mchou>so the patch on the mythtv mailing list is latest and greatest?
13:17<choenig>the one posted the other day, yes
13:17<mchou>ok, good. Thanks for all the hard work....
13:18<choenig>the problem is, I only look into that patch thing when anybody mentions that Idea (again) on -dev, so I don't give it much time lately
13:18<choenig>I hope there is nothing bad in the latest patch that should not be there :-)
13:19<mchou>well, hence the reason why I'd like to see it in cvs. If multiple BE prob is fixed, that should overcome chutt's objections, no?
13:19<mchou>I'm going to test it :)
13:20<choenig>I think he knows that the multiple BE prob is solved
13:20<choenig>I'd like to write some additional doc for that patch, but I don't like to invest much time for documentation if nobode ever will read it
13:20<mchou>well, its only been a few days. Maybe chutt hasn't got around to it or something.
13:21<choenig>this is almost the same patch like from 2 or 3 month ago where we talked about that little problem which is left
13:21<mchou>choenig, I read them (despite my stupid questions earlier) :)
13:21<choenig>this problem still is there, but this is a really minor thing
13:22<choenig>mchou, yes, but I can explain that thing to you, if only you'd read it ;)
13:23<mchou>I just missed the "read" instruction part (in xinetd) :)
13:24<choenig>I don't have a problem with people asking :)
13:24<mchou>so chutt hasn't given you any feedback on the latest patch?
13:25<choenig>nope, not really
13:26<choenig>when we talked about it the last time (you were there, too) he (and you) only said, that this "backendIsFrontend" problem should be really easy to solve, thats all
13:26<choenig>I don't know how to solve it, that somehow were my last words back then
13:27<choenig>but, fixed or not, this really is a minor thing, that patch works pretty fine without that, too
13:27<mchou>well, last time he mentioned writing a function to find out FE==BE, but didn't go into any details.....
13:28<choenig>right
13:29<mchou>yeah, I'd like to really understand his objections here so we can see it as part of cvs. It's been "out there" long enough :)
13:29<choenig>I really _don't_ expect from him to fix my problems, but if it would be a 5 minute thing for him and a many hours thing for me ... see? :)
13:30<thor_>the Chutt works in strange and mysterious ways
13:30<choenig>that patch is over a year old, now :)
13:30<mchou>well, even if chutt can give a few hints, that would be nice....
13:30<choenig>thor_: :)
13:32<Chutt>easiest thing to do would be to check the db to see if the local host name has any capture cards defined
13:33<Chutt>and if that's true, you'd just have to see if the backend was running on that machine
13:33<Chutt>ie, try to open a connection to localhost / backend port
13:33<choenig>I'm on my way ... :-)
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13:46<_Nero_>has there been any significant changes in the cvs version for the images plugin?? It would be nice if it were more like the mythmusic, in that you could have photo albums, and select which album you wanted to play.. any plans for that?
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13:57<isaac>usr/include/linux/compiler.h:17: warning: `__attribute_used__' redefined
13:57<isaac>/usr/include/sys/cdefs.h:195: warning: this is the location of the previous definition
13:57<isaac>videoout_ivtv.cpp: In method `VideoOutputIvtv::~VideoOutputIvtv()':
13:57<isaac>videoout_ivtv.cpp:58: parse error before `['
13:57<isaac>what the hell is the cause of this? :/
13:57<Chutt>you're not using cvs?
13:57<isaac>nope?
13:57<Chutt>no, that's the cause of it.
13:57<isaac>oh.
13:58<isaac>heh
13:58<isaac>well, cvs wouldn't link
13:58<isaac>is the release just borked then?
13:59<Chutt>no
14:00<Chutt>it's because the debian glibc maintainers decided to be idiots and use pre-2.6 kernel headers for the global includes.
14:00<isaac>yeah, i googled a bunch and that's what i kind of concluded.
14:00<isaac>figured i'd ask though
14:01<Chutt>blame mdz =)
14:01<isaac>i -am- croaking for a .12 package ;)
14:01<isaac>running 0.11 right now due to not getting 0.12 to compile :(
14:01<isaac>and i moved the backend to a better box so now i can actually watch live tv and such
14:04<davatar>my sound card doesn't use master or pcm, but pcm2 for volume control, is it appropriate to modify mythtv, or is there a workaround through alsa?
14:06<thor_>you can't lock your pcm2 and have master affect it ?
14:06<davatar>no.. pcm2 is for the spdif out only.
14:07<thor_>ah, spdif, why would you want to use internal controls then?
14:07<_Nero_>is there some dep needed to do the transitions in mythgallery?
14:09<davatar>thor_: because otherwise I have to switch remotes, and the volume control is very touchy because the reciever has a lot of power and spdif has a very high dynamic range.
14:09<isaac>what -is- spdif anyways
14:09<davatar>spdif is just a digital link, over which you can send uncompressed audio, or ac3/dts
14:09<isaac>ah
14:09<isaac>neat
14:09* isaac looks at his crappy $5 yardsale amp and cringes
14:11<thor_>well .... I'd still rather have my receiver adjusting spdif output, but you could always add a one liner to the settings code, or do the SQL to change it in your table
14:14<isaac>../../libs/libmyth/libmyth-0.13.so: undefined reference to `QScrollView::mouseReleaseEvent(QMouseEvent *)'
14:14<davatar>hmm.. tried that, didn't work.. even alsamixer cannot control it. When I use the gnome mixer I get a pcm2 output which work fine.
14:14<isaac>Chutt: compiling cvs, when linking i get a billion messages similar to that one
14:15<thor_>isacc, you got wrong version of Qt
14:15<thor_>(probably)
14:15<isaac>well, can anyone else using debian unstable compile cvs?
14:15<thor_>scratch that
14:16<Chutt>i develop mythtv with debian unstable.
14:16* chiphead uses deb unstable on xbox
14:16<isaac>well i'll be damned.
14:16<isaac>Chutt: using libqt3c102-mt?
14:17<isaac>er, s/-mt//
14:17<mdz>eh, not my fault
14:17<mdz>Chutt: I went to SCALE last weekend
14:17<Chutt>what's that?
14:17<mdz>southern CA linux expo
14:17<mdz>a ton of people were asking about MythTV
14:17<mdz>one of the LUGs even had a demo set up at their booth
14:17<thor_>cable feed?
14:18<Chutt>morph's lug?
14:18<mdz>no input, as far as I saw, but they were playing back recorded stuff and using mythmusic and what not
14:18<mdz>dunno, who is morph?
14:18<Chutt>sclug
14:18<Chutt>i think it is
14:18<Chutt>the guy that did that pvr contest
14:18<chiphead>isaac, I found the dependency packages not easily assembled for building myth from the cvs, so I compiled qt and the other dependencies from source
14:19<Chutt>chiphead, err, everything's in debian unstable.
14:19<isaac>chiphead: i avoid doing that for big libs like qt due to bigger deps (like kde)
14:19<mdz>ah, yes. it was SCLUG
14:19<Chutt>building qt yourself is dumb.
14:19<thor_>hey!
14:19<isaac>Chutt: i've got qt-mt 3.2.1
14:20<isaac>.. though i assume you dont care, heh.
14:20<mdz>Chutt: I also hassled the xiph.org guys in person about theora's approach to A/V sync
14:20<Chutt>heh
14:20<chiphead>its was my easist solution... once it was built, I had no problems building myth. call me dumb
14:20<Chutt>were they all 'theora? what the hell's that?'
14:20<mdz>naw, ralph giles and monty were both there
14:20<mdz>so was josh coalson from FLAC
14:21<Chutt>heh
14:22<mdz>they are being really idealistic about it for some reason
14:22<isaac>shite. can you build myth with just the backend crap?
14:22<Chutt>every packet needs a timestamp
14:22<isaac>(i think i read about this somewhere on the website, but humour me)
14:22<Chutt>otherwise, you cannot play it back properly
14:23<mdz>I explained that in the real world, frames sometimes get dropped and sound cards aren't synched to video frames, and their clocks suck
14:23<mdz>and they (still) say just to fix it on the encoding side
14:23<Chutt>and the playback clock isn't always the same as the recording clock
14:23<mdz>and make it perfect and then encode it
14:24<Chutt>ah well
14:24<mdz>I don't know how feasible that really is, but it sounds annoying
14:24<Chutt>they'll find out that no one will use that for anything real
14:25<mdz>can you actually tell if you've missed a frame, and how many?
14:25<Chutt>other than guessing based on the timestamps, no
14:25<mdz>figures
14:25<Chutt>what'll actually happen is that the theora stuff in ffmpeg will get fleshed out
14:25<mdz>trying to skew the audio sounds even worse
14:25<Chutt>and people will just pack it in other containers =)
14:25<mdz>right
14:25<mdz>the problem is with ogg, not theora
14:26<mdz>ogg-for-A/V anyway
14:28<Chutt>it's ok, until they do some mmx opts, it's not a realtime codec anyway =)
14:31<mdz>that part I think is pretty likely to happen, though
14:31<mdz>whereas fixing ogg for video probably won't, unfortunately
14:31<mdz>like we really needed another half-baked container like an MPEG system stream
14:32<Chutt>no one's commented at all on my cool keybindings code :(
14:33<mdz>it would be nice if the cvs commit script attached a patch along with the log message, that makes it easy to see what's going on
14:33<Chutt>too much bandwidth
14:34<Chutt>i'd agree if there weren't > 500 people on the commits list
14:34<thor_>hey Chutt, that keybinding stuff is really cool
14:34<Chutt>heh
14:37<mdz>it could be gzipped :-)
14:37<mdz>you speak of bandwidth, and I'm on a dialup half the time right now...
14:38<Chutt>still
14:38<thor_>it's actually fairly impressive that there are hundreds of people subscribed to commits
14:40<davatar>well it's probably because it's recommended you do if you compile from cvs.. I'd guess that not that many people actually check before they grab cvs..
14:40<mdz>I'm not surprised, after all the buzz
14:41<mdz>it's one thing to know that a lot of people subscribed to some mailing lists; it's another when people approach you and ask about it :-)
14:41<thor_>you get any of the, "oh you're *that* mdz!"
14:47<mdz>sometimes :-)
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15:03<billytwowilly>wow you guys have some pretty cool fans;)
15:03<billytwowilly>http://www.patrick.fm/boobies/boobies.php?text=mythtv
15:03<billytwowilly>nswf;)
15:03<billytwowilly>err. nsfw.
15:04<thor_>There is more under heaven and earth, dear Horatio
15:08<isaac>you lie
15:08<isaac>pretty hilarious script, that
15:12<billytwowilly>yah;) Classic;) thank those kopete guys;) It's posted in their chan topic, except with kopete instead of mythtv;)
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15:52<o_cee>Chutt: i saw you did keybinding stuff, very cool indeed :) haven't cvs updated yet, but i'm very much looking forward to it
15:54<o_cee>btw, i thought about something the other day.. i've got nmp setup to have my clock synced like all the time (once an hour or something).. could that cause screwups in myth when recording? i mean what happens with the timestamps if the clock is changed? or it's not affected by that clock at all?
15:55<thor_>ntp should gradually speed up or slow down your clock to bring it into sync, not jam it immediately to some new value
15:55<Chutt>still working on the keybindings stuff
15:57<o_cee>thor_: ah yeah, maybe that's how it works. just saw that it did it all the time instead of like one update each day
15:57<o_cee>anyone who's good with css/html/js?
15:57<o_cee>got stuck
15:58<o_cee>thor_: you asked me to remind you, now i'm reminding you in case you forgot it.
15:58<o_cee>:)
15:58<thor_>ah yes, date sensitive images .... or something else as well ?
15:59<o_cee>that's it.. and the analog clock ;)
15:59<thor_>k
16:01<o_cee>or
16:01<o_cee>http://www.thinkgeek.com/cubegoodies/lights/59e0/
16:01<o_cee>a clock like that ;)
16:02<thor_>heh
16:02<o_cee>:)
16:02<o_cee>almost thinking about buying one of those, hehe
16:04<o_cee>Chutt: the example page i emailed you yesterday.. i thought about doing somehing like this for the programme descriptions.. don't you think that could work? http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/popups/demo.html (the text that appears below the menu, but instead at the right hand side of the list or something).. btw, are there any other stuff i should do with the page while i'm at it? more info or something?
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16:08<Chutt>sure, that's fine
16:08<Chutt>whatever you want to do with the page is fine, really
16:09<o_cee>okay, cool
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16:24<Morph>yo
16:25<Morph>mdz: you were at SCALE, huh?
16:25<mdz>Morph: yes
16:25<mdz>unexpectedly so
16:25<Morph>cool.
16:25<Morph>I was one of the guy whose set it up.
16:25<Morph>SCALE that is.
16:28<Morph>did you like it?
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16:32<mdz>yeah, it was pretty good
16:32<mdz>I didn't go to the talks
16:33<Morph>I didnt either...was busy..heard some were good, others not so good.
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16:48<Ku-laid>Uh..a possibly silly question, but what's with the no-$ icon on the record programs screen?
16:48<jimjim>I got that one, had to look it up too. It means commercials have been flagged.
16:48<Ku-laid>Ah.
16:51<DogBoy>where do you look up those icons?
16:58<isaac_>haha, i just saw an ad for directv bragging about 'sound on every channel'
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17:01<sailor420>would I have any problems running a card that uses a nvidia chipset but is made by a different manufacturer? Would it run off of the same nvidia drivers?
17:03<billytwowilly>sailor420: yah. Works just fine.
17:03<billytwowilly>you're referring to playback right?
17:03<billytwowilly>not tv tuner?
17:03<billytwowilly>although I've never heard of an nvidia tv tuner..
17:03<thor_>ah, thanks Chutt
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17:08<Chutt>hm?
17:08<thor_>french patches
17:08<Ku-laid>Hmm..seems like the entire issue on why I can't play video at 640x480 is I/O.
17:08<Chutt>what'd i do?
17:08<Chutt>oh
17:08<sailor420>yeah, playback
17:08<sailor420>sorry
17:08<thor_>I had those flagged
17:08<sailor420>anyone have any experience getting the ati TV Wonder VE running?
17:09<sailor420>especially with KnoppMyth
17:10<sailor420>im debating that card or the Hauppauge WinTV 401
17:10<isaac_>get a wintv go off ebay for like $15 :D
17:11<sailor420>eh, id rather have a remote with it
17:12<isaac_>i built one of those lirc recievers for a couple bucks.
17:12<isaac_>due to me being poor.
17:12<Ku-laid>Hmm..now , it'd be cool to have my keyboard's extra led light up for recording. I should take a look at that project.
17:14<thor_>you'd think that after more than a few moths of this I would learn to stop calling QThread->run() directly !
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17:27<davatar>hmm.. in volumecontrol.cpp: QString controlLabel = gContext->GetSetting("MixerControl", "PCM");
17:28<davatar>is this right? why do we specify PCM?
17:28<thor_>PCM is the default
17:28<thor_>if nothing is in the database
17:29<davatar>ahh.. So if we were doing a switch() we could just only specify ("MixerControl" ) ?
17:29<thor_>if you don't put in a default, the string could come back empty
17:30<davatar>ok...
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17:32<thor_>davatat, you tried line 79 of globalsettings.cpp in programs/mythfrontend ?
17:32<thor_>davatar, that is
17:33<davatar>yes, I have my pcm/altpcm under control.. but for some reason the initial volume on the pcm wouldn't work. I didn't know if I broke it or....
17:33<thor_>ah
17:48<o_cee>what kind of info does one think they'll find on the status page? suggestions?
17:49<o_cee>starttime, title, description.. for the schedule. is the encoder important?
17:49<o_cee>(i only got one)
17:49<davatar>kinda redundant, but how about a countdown till next recording? helps when you're using your myth box for development, at least :)
17:49<o_cee>heh
17:50<o_cee>okay, yeah, maybe :)
17:52<davatar>does the backend hold a dropped frames counter anywhere?
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18:26<davatar>can someone test if inital PCM volume works for them? I'm not sure if it's a mythtv bug or my crappy soundcard. Master seems to work fine.
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18:38<[M-M]>no one cares about the segfault when the start of the video is cut out? :)
18:39<Chutt>i'd care more if there was a patch
18:39<[M-M]>:)
18:39<Chutt>got other stuff to work on in the meantime.
18:40<[M-M]>my gdb doesn't like me and won't work with threads, so I can't really figure out the stack, nor am I familiar with the code
18:40<thor_>I'd guess the lack of action is that other people can't reproduce it (?) ... may be time to try it with 9.1 ;-)
18:40<[M-M]>:)
18:41<[M-M]>hmm, I've got my laptop here today. I'll see what it does with it
18:42<mecraw>Chutt: the keybinding stuff looks good... is the plan to eventually make it configurable in the db?
18:49<o_cee>what would be the purpose if it wasn't configurable?
18:49<isaac_>bloat, of course
18:50<o_cee>right.
18:50<isaac_>hasn't microsoft taught you anything?
18:50<o_cee>who?
18:50<isaac_>s/microsoft/openoffice
18:50<davatar>I doubt bloat will ever be an issue, considering the processing power needed for the rest of the system..
18:51<isaac_>davatar: that was a badly phrased, badly timed, badly delivered joke.
18:51<isaac_>my bad
18:56<o_cee>g'night all
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19:05<mechou>does anybody know if ivtv supports audio for avermedia m179 yet? Looks from the mailing list some ppl are using that card?
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19:33<JonnyRo>how do you redirect both stderr and stdout to a file?
19:33<JonnyRo>i can never remember the > syntax
19:33<tmk>bash?
19:34<JonnyRo>sh
19:34<tmk>ok
19:34<tmk>it's
19:34<tmk>command > file 2>&1
19:34<JonnyRo>sidenote, btaudio works AMAZING on the hauppage wintv
19:34<JonnyRo>i wish i had one, i just built a mythbox for a friend
19:34<JonnyRo>and he had one
19:34<JonnyRo>tmk, thankyou
19:35<D-side>tmk: just before you joined, someone inquired into the status of the m179. is there any yet? :)
19:35<mechou>actually, I did. specifically about audio on m179
19:36<D-side>i'm not sure that anyone who bought one has RECEIVED it yet.
19:36<mechou>D-side: hmm???
19:38<mechou>D-side: are you saying ppl are being scammed?
19:38<D-side>no, not at all.
19:38<D-side>in fact, i think its been discussed to death on the list.
19:39<mechou>I haven't been checking the mythtv list lately....
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21:11<davatar>reproducible segfault: after you select "watch recordings" if you press the down or up arrow before the screen refreshes, mythfrontend segfaults...
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21:19<tmk>D-side: i'm working on the code now.
21:20<tmk>should be ready for beta on friday or sat
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21:45<cesman>hello everyone
21:51<Lenolium>Yo
21:55* _Nero_ 's machine just froze up again.. argh..
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21:55<_Nero_>any good way of troubleshooting hardware in linux? (I am suspecting a video card, but dont have another to plug in.. how would I narrow this down?)
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21:58<brunes>hello.. did zap2it change its format again (aka does xmltv need an update) ?
21:58<brunes>I just noticed I have no guide data for tomrrow
22:00<brunes>im getting this...
22:00<brunes>checking provider information for postal/zip code E3B2A6, be patient..
22:00<brunes>zap2it gave us a page with no service provider options
22:00<brunes>check postal/zip code or www site (maybe they're down)
22:00<brunes>when I run mythfilldatabase
22:00<thor_>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/archive/MythTV_C2/Users_F11/XMLTV_again_P91302/
22:00<brunes>needs a new tv_grab ?
22:01<thor_>yup
22:01<brunes>k thanks
22:01<thor_>yup
22:01<brunes>er, thats XMLTV CVS right, not myth CVS
22:01<Morph>hmm anyone used a 350 card without the tv-out?
22:01<thor_>yup
22:01<thor_>brunes, yup
22:01<brunes>ok
22:01<thor_>Morph, no not me
22:02<brunes>hrm, the last update to tv_grab_na was 3 weeks ago
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22:03<thor_>you want 0.5.23
22:04<brunes>oh ok
22:04<brunes>I seem to have 0.5.22
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22:05<thor_>stupid question: flac rip files to extension flac ?
22:05<thor_>err .flac ?
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22:18<Chutt>thor, yeah
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22:18<thor_>figured as much
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22:47<Chutt>hey thor
22:48<thor_>yup
22:48<Chutt>think anything'd break horribly if i made all_music and all_playlists in mythmusic persistant?
22:49<Chutt>for now, at leasat
22:49<Chutt>least
22:49<thor_>as in write to db right away ?
22:49<Chutt>no, as in load them up on mythfrontend start
22:49<Chutt>save em whenever the person exits a music thing
22:49<thor_>ah, no ... that'd be good ...
22:50<thor_>I'm in the middle of doing that
22:50<Chutt>trying to get the 'playback music' function down to a void playMusic(void)
22:50<Chutt>yeah, this is just real quick
22:50<thor_>but in the mfd :-)
22:50<Chutt>while your mfd stuff is getting worked on =)
22:50<thor_>yup
22:50<Lenolium>Hrm... anyone want to give me any tips on getting livetv working on a frontend that isn't on the same machine as the backend?
22:51<Octane>i swear to christ, mythtv is like...
22:51<Octane>the best thing since vi
22:51<thor_>heh
22:52<Lenolium>Octane: I would agree if I could figure out how to get it to record sound.
22:52<Octane>Lenolium: it took me... uhm, over a month to get it setup
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22:52<Tofusensei>:x
22:52<Octane>but last night my friend came over, we did a 14 hour marathon
22:52<thor_>Lenolium, careful with the IP addresses and going through all the config screens
22:52<Octane>there he is right now
22:52<Tofusensei>>:O
22:52<Octane>Tofusensei and i did a 14 hour marathon
22:52<Octane>and get mythtv working from scratch
22:52<Tofusensei>tantric PVR
22:52<Lenolium>thor_: I can watch pre-recorded stuff, just not live stuff
22:52<Tofusensei>it's hot
22:52<Octane>Lenolium sound itself took use four hours, from there it was smooth sailing
22:53<Octane>thor_ i know you're a developer, you did mythdvd right?
22:53<thor_>yup
22:53<Tofusensei>any developers here? I wanted to bring up some glitches I noticed
22:53<Octane>Tofusensei im eating leftovers
22:53<Tofusensei>oh, okay
22:53<Tofusensei>thor_, I noticed 3 things that I think may be bugs
22:53<thor_>Lenolium, error messages?
22:53<Tofusensei>well, at least 1 is a bug
22:53<Tofusensei>the others are suggestions :D
22:54<thor_>Tofusensei, ok
22:54<Octane>1 is a definite, the saving thing
22:54<Tofusensei>okay, first...
22:54<Tofusensei>when trying to specify the xine play command for VCDs, it won't let you save what you enter
22:54<Tofusensei>and the default entry is incorrect at least on RH9
22:54<Octane>(the actual player command)
22:54<Tofusensei>so there's no way to use xine to play VCDs or SVCDs through myth
22:54<thor_>ah yes, I didn't actually do the VCD bit, but I know what you mean
22:55<Tofusensei>but it works in the console
22:55<Tofusensei>okay
22:55<Tofusensei>also
22:55<Octane>thor_ any workaround to get it to save?
22:55<Tofusensei>as far as I could tell
22:55<thor_>running cvs?
22:55<Octane>that would be too elite for me
22:55<Tofusensei>hehe
22:55<Octane>Tofusensei are we up for the cvs task?
22:55<Tofusensei>:X
22:55<Tofusensei>maybe after my project :)
22:55<thor_>running source ?
22:56<Octane>i just got .12 running so cvs might just have to wait... at leats 24 hours
22:56<thor_>or you could SQL it right into the databse
22:56<Tofusensei>as far as I could tell, there's no way to unmount a CD or DVD-rom in myth (latest binary release)
22:56<Tofusensei>so if you wanna switch DVDs or VCDs, you need to go to console
22:56<Tofusensei>and umount
22:56<Chutt>there's no way to mount one either
22:56<Tofusensei>sorta lame
22:56<thor_>no mounting
22:57<Tofusensei>well it'll mount automagically
22:57<thor_>not myth
22:57<Chutt>it sure as hell shouldn't be mounting automatically
22:57<Tofusensei>if lunix set up properly
22:57<Tofusensei>if you set up linux to automount
22:57<Tofusensei>:P
22:57<Tofusensei>it'll automount
22:57<Chutt>why the hell would you do that?
22:57<Tofusensei>umm, I dunno, to access your files maybe
22:57<Tofusensei>O_o;;;
22:58<Chutt>vcd's aren't available as files, they're read directly from the disc
22:58<Chutt>why would you mount it?
22:58<Tofusensei>well, let's say for crazy reason, you wanted to do it
22:58<Tofusensei>it'd be nice to have a way to umount it from myth
22:58<Chutt>then, it's your responsibility to unmount it, wouldn't you think?
22:58<Tofusensei>like an "eject" function
22:58<Tofusensei>or something
22:59<Tofusensei>I'm just trying to make a suggestion here, isn't that how programs improve? *_*
22:59<Tofusensei>like for example
22:59<Chutt>nope
22:59<Chutt>programs improve by people contributing code
23:00<Tofusensei>by default RH9 automounts CDs
23:00<Tofusensei>so there are plenty of noobs out there
23:00<Tofusensei>who wouldn't know how to change that
23:00<Tofusensei>so they'd have to go to the console to switch CDs or DVDs in myth
23:00<[M-M]>is automounting still incredibly broken on those distros?
23:01<[M-M]>used to be if you went to, say, the floppy drive's directory and you had no floppy drive, it'd hang
23:01<Tofusensei>oh
23:01<Tofusensei>no, I didn't see that problem
23:01<Tofusensei>but yeah, I remember that from rh7 I think
23:02<[M-M]>one reason I'll never use a distro that does automounting :)
23:02<thor_>Tofusensei, turn off automounting, you'll be happier .... if you really want to keep it, write a bit of unmounting code :-)
23:02<Tofusensei>I'm actually working on a nice little program idea that will tie in w/ mythtv, btw, Chutt :)
23:02<Tofusensei>hehe, well I am not sure I am skilled enough to write that code into mythtv
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23:03<Tofusensei>but I think it'd be a nice little feature to consider for putting into it, if someone was talented enough to do it
23:03<Tofusensei>just to make noobs lives easier
23:03<[M-M]>thor_: odd... I changed nothing, and now Myth isn't crashing on those recordings anymore :/ ah well.. off to bed... got to go to work early tomorrow :/
23:04<thor_>gremlins
23:04<[M-M]>probably :)
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23:04<Tofusensei>and what was the third thing I noticed......
23:05* Tofusensei thinking outloud :X
23:05<[M-M]>oh well... Myth is back to being perfect again ;)
23:06<thor_>Tofusensei, UPDATE settings SET data = "my xine command" where value = "VCDPlayerCommand" ;
23:06<thor_>that'll fix the xine vcd thing
23:07<Tofusensei>oh, thank you very much
23:07<Tofusensei>Also, the default xine command in myth doesn't seem to be a valid xine expression, at least on the version of xine we were running (latest stable release)
23:08<Tofusensei>the xvcd:// part or whatever it said
23:08<thor_>it's already changed in cvs so that you can just enter whatever you want for playing videos
23:08<Tofusensei>ohh, that's good to know
23:08<thor_>I need to change the VCD bit as well though
23:08<Octane>hey while were talking mythtv... quick question
23:09<Octane>why do the videos in video list not come up in browse videos?
23:09<Tofusensei>ohhh
23:09<Tofusensei>I remember the third thing :D
23:09<Tofusensei>Video name display stops at the first period in the file name
23:09<Octane>yeS1
23:09<Tofusensei>so if a file is "Who Shot Mr. Burns.avi"
23:10<Tofusensei>it show up as "Who Shot Mr"
23:10<thor_>Octane, browse by default is off by default
23:10<thor_>and you haven't edited them
23:10<thor_>(go into Video Manager, hit a number)
23:10<thor_>toggle browse flag
23:10<thor_>Tofusensei, ah, ok
23:11<Tofusensei>that should be easy enough to fix :)
23:11<Tofusensei>besides for that I didn't see anything else worth mentioning, I guess :X
23:11<Octane>thor_, video manager also returns no videos
23:12<thor_>eh?
23:12<Tofusensei>I've got this idea for auto-scripting myth caps into mencoder to make smaller xvid encodes and automatically putting them online onto a webserver or what have you
23:12<Tofusensei>so say if you were out of the country, you could still watch sportscenter
23:12<Tofusensei>>:)
23:16<Octane>thor_ my bad i just didnt dump mythvideos sql in to the db
23:16<thor_>ah, that would cover it
23:18<Octane>i want to live inside in the cvs server
23:19<dopez>i doubt there's allot of room in a pc case..
23:20<Octane>lol
23:23<Octane>time get to get xine working with lirc
23:23<Octane>or the other way around
23:23<Tofusensei>don't fuck it up >:D
23:24<Octane>mythvideo just crashing getting info about a file from imdb
23:26<thor_>it's a bit sensitive ... you can download the posters manually and assign them using the GUI
23:26<Octane>will do
23:26<Octane>interesting i crashed on this one and not on others
23:27<thor_>if you go the manual route, put them in the same dir as the video file, and rename .jpg to .jpeg (that's a Qt fetish thing)
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23:27<Octane>go it. thanks!
23:36<Octane>hey Tofusensei
23:36<Octane>you get a response on the dots in filenames?
23:37<Tofusensei>umm
23:37<Tofusensei>[23:09] <Tofusensei> so if a file is "Who Shot Mr. Burns.avi"
23:37<Tofusensei>[23:09] <Tofusensei> it show up as "Who Shot Mr"
23:37<Tofusensei>[23:10] <thor_> Tofusensei, ah, ok
23:37<Tofusensei>:P
23:37<Tofusensei>learn to read
23:37<Tofusensei>:)
23:44<thor_>Tofusensei and/or Octane, this cutoff thing only happening when you're using the tree view and it's in file (ignore database) mode, correct ?
23:45<Octane>it happens in video list
23:45<Octane>tree view, yes
23:45<thor_>right
23:45<thor_>but only in file browsing mode, correct?
23:46<Octane>yes
23:46<Octane>is using parental controls as a way of sorting the videos shown in browse lame?
23:46<thor_>ok, should be fixed momentarily
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23:50<Octane>thor_
23:50<Octane>please stop tempting me to use cbs
23:50<Octane>cvs*
23:51<Octane>thor_ do you by any chance know off the top of your head where in the db is the play command stored for vcd's?
23:52<thor_>UPDATE settings SET data = "my xine command" where value = "VCDPlayerCommand" ;
23:52<thor_>table is settings
23:52<thor_>database is mythconverg
23:52<Octane>im lazy, im using mysqlcc :)
23:52<Octane>but thank you very much
23:58<davatar>holy crap.. you can now recover from a kernel oops?! I oopsed two times in a row.. came back to bash....
23:59<thor_>Beaver in Detox?
23:59<davatar>2.4.22
23:59<Chutt>an oops isn't always fatal.
23:59<thor_>just happy I got to say, "Beaver in Detox"
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