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---Logopened Thu Nov 27 00:00:05 2003
---Daychanged Thu Nov 27 2003
00:00<davatar>hah
00:00<davatar>er.. make that 4 times.. something is _really_ screwed up..
00:10<linagee>can i mess with xmltv stuff while mythbackend is recording?
00:10<linagee>i want to try to force it to retrieve a TV listing schedule
00:17<cesman>yes you can
00:27<D-side>er
00:27<D-side>whats the latest xmltv release?
00:27<D-side>whatever i have is b0rk i think
00:27<thor_>.23
00:28<D-side>gah. gentoo's latest ebuild is .21. i take it theres known issues with this
00:28<thor_>yup
00:29<D-side>figures. thanks for the help.
00:29<thor_>yup
00:58<Netslayer>how are those geforce4 mx440 internal tv encoders (on the die itself), i just ordered a cheap one, hopeing it will be decent. I have the same card but with a dedicated tv encoder chip right now for the main server, looks awesome.. hoping for the best
01:04<term>ds.
01:07<Chutt>change one little class size, recompile a whole damn program
01:07<thor_>g--
01:29<Octane>am i safe to just apt-get remove mythtvmusic
01:30<Octane>i installed it as part of the suite but i haev decided to not gonna use mythtv for music
01:30<Octane>*not use
01:30<thor_>booo
01:30<Octane>sorry, have a klipsch 5.1 system attached to this box :)
01:31<thor_>flac !
01:31<Octane>do you think i should just go ahead and do apt-get remove thor_?
01:32<Chutt>computer speakers, whatever their make, are crap. :p
01:32<thor_>dunno, don't use Debian/aptget
01:32<Octane>yah most of the time youre right... but hey, i paid for these speakers, so at least let me feel like im using them to the fullest :)
01:34<Chutt>most of the time?
01:34<thor_>lol
01:34<ChaosExiguum>my computer speakers are good, oh wait, you didnt mean speakers hooked up to the computer did you :o)
01:34<Chutt>you don't get very good reproduction with any satellite/sub system.
01:59<linagee>OHHHH... :(
02:00<linagee>it hurts when a network cancels a show for a week. it's an emptyness i feel right here
02:00<Netslayer>heh
02:00<linagee>Chutt: you hack on mythtv code, right? develop a system of sending network executives complaints when they postpone weekly shows. *click* -> emails execs
02:00<linagee>;)
02:00<Netslayer>not if u use myth to record a whole season of tv to watch later
02:01<linagee>Netslayer: so many shows, so little harddrive space
02:01<Netslayer>so true.. but i'm using divx and if i really need room i'll move to the raid0 set of 320 heh.. not there yet
02:02<linagee>Chutt: form letters. *click* "you cancelled my show permanantly! bring it back!" *click* "you postponed my show for the holidays and/or sports!" *click* "your network has their time exactly 2 minutes off atomic clock time and it annoys thousands of viewers!"
02:03<Netslayer>heh i love that last one
02:03<Netslayer>oh and sports suck for that reason ya.. screws all the pvrs up
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02:25<chiphead>Octane, I dont think thor_ is a debian package that can be removed
02:25* Octane confused
02:25<Octane>thor_ is a human being!!!
02:25<chiphead><Octane> do you think i should just go ahead and do apt-get remove thor_?
02:25<Octane>LOL
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02:26* thor_ checking
02:26<Octane>i knew it, thro was just made up :(
02:26<Octane>thor*
02:26<Octane>it wouldnt even configure on my box
02:26<thor_>damn, I fail again to win the Turing prize
02:26<chiphead>thor_ is like a virus. once you install him he cant be removed
02:27<linagee>what's the command to refresh your xmltv stuff?
02:27<chiphead>mythfilldatabase?
02:27<linagee>chiphead: ah. thanks. :)
02:28<linagee>:(
02:28<linagee>"zap2it gave us a page with no service provider options
02:28<linagee>check postal/zip code or www site (maybe they're down)
02:28<linagee>"
02:28<thor_>0.5.23
02:28<linagee>(my listings have been working before. did zap2it change something?)
02:28<linagee>thor_: ?
02:28<linagee>thor_: upgrade my xmltv?
02:28<thor_>xmltv version
02:28<thor_>yup
02:28<linagee>thor_: OIC. LOL. developers hard at work. :)
02:28* linagee sings a webscraping song
02:29<billytwowilly>How do people not know abot the xmltv thing? It's been that way for a while I thought...
02:29<billytwowilly>Heh, you guys need to start putting news in the channle topic;)
02:29<chiphead>the lists
02:29<linagee>billytwowilly: it takes two weeks before the stuff runs out. :)
02:30<billytwowilly>I saw someone asking about it in here yesterday.. and there was stuff on the mailing list... which is archived.. I suppose I'm just surprised not everyone has heard about it yet.
02:30<linagee>billytwowilly: that was probably me. :)
02:31* linagee kicks his debian box
02:31<billytwowilly>I don't think so, I can't remmber who it was though.
02:31<billytwowilly>linagee: I don't think there's a .deb for 0.23 yet.
02:31<billytwowilly>err. 0.5.23
02:31<linagee>:(
02:32<Chutt>http://incoming.debian.org/
02:32<billytwowilly>I'm still getting used to this apt-get install thing though, so I could be wrong..
02:32<billytwowilly>Oh, I don't think incoming is configured in knoppmyth.. that'd explain it.
02:33<linagee>Chutt: cat http://incoming.debian.org/ >> /etc/apt/sources.list
02:33<linagee>??
02:34<linagee>or wait, no, it's just got to be dpkg-ed manually
02:35<linagee>:(
02:35<linagee>got xmltv_0.5.23-1_all.deb
02:36* linagee is getting it
02:37<billytwowilly>hmm. I never knew you could do that..
02:38<linagee>woohoo! :)
02:38* linagee does the debian dance
02:38<linagee>woohoo. :) hooray for webscraping!
02:39* linagee tries to remember how to set all this tv_grab_us stuff up
02:39<thor_>_na
02:39<linagee>(not that i have to, but maybe the channels switched around)
02:39<linagee>_na too
02:39<linagee>;-P
02:40<linagee>ok. i remember the file i have to copy around
02:40<billytwowilly>so if I cat that to the apt sources and then apt-get install xmltv I'll get 0.5.23
02:41<thor_>Chutt, fastest Qt pointer-based container class for lookups based on an int is QIntDict ?
02:41<linagee>billytwowilly: nope. doesn't work
02:42<linagee>billytwowilly: get the lib perl xmltv thing, xmltv-gui, xmltv-util, xmltv
02:42<linagee>billytwowilly: dpkg -i lib perl xmltv thing, then xmltv-gui, then xmltv-util, then xmltv
02:42<linagee>billytwowilly: doing it in any other order will whine about dependencies
02:42<billytwowilly>ok. get them from the incoming web site?
02:43<linagee>billytwowilly: yep. just wget or whichever you like. ;)
02:43<linagee>billytwowilly: having the same problem with listings? :)
02:43<billytwowilly>No, I fixed it by adding a space to one file, just like they said in the mailing list.
02:44<linagee>billytwowilly: ah. ;-)
02:44<billytwowilly>but I get   added onto all the programs now, so I'd like to update.
02:44<billytwowilly>how long do you think it'll take for the new xmltv to make it into unstable?
02:44<billytwowilly>I might just wait.
02:44<linagee>billytwowilly: no idea. :)
02:45<linagee>billytwowilly: i can make one of the people in my usergroup do it. ;)
02:45* linagee uses a cattle prod
02:45<billytwowilly>Heh. nifty. what user group is that?
02:45<linagee>billytwowilly: my local LUG. not sure how far up the debian chain he is
02:46<billytwowilly>From my limited experience with debian, it's pretty nice. I just wish it had all the graphical config stuff that mandrake has.
02:46<billytwowilly>drakconf makes my life so easy.
02:46<linagee>billytwowilly: yes, but who needs graphical stuff for a mythtv box? :)
02:47<billytwowilly>heh, if it had graphical stuff I'd use it for my main box;)
02:47<linagee>billytwowilly: oic. mine's too slow
02:47<linagee>billytwowilly: 733mhz w/ pvr250
02:48<billytwowilly>oh, sorry, I meant I'd install debian on my main box.
02:48<linagee>i know it only uses 2% or so CPU when using the pvr250, but i use samba to share the files, which uses a little more overhead
02:48<linagee>ah
02:48<billytwowilly>isn't nfs better than samba?
02:48<linagee>billytwowilly: *shrug* it's to a windows box i use to play the TV shows on
02:48<linagee>billytwowilly: my main box. :)
02:49<billytwowilly>I've got mandrake 9.2 installed on it now. It's quite nice. I just kinda want to test the waters because I was very impressed with knoppmyth.
02:49<linagee>billytwowilly: i make symbolic links to the mythtv filenames because i have no better way. :(
02:49<billytwowilly>boo windows;)
02:49<billytwowilly>Heh, I can get away without having a windows box because there are 5 computers in my house and 2 of them run windows. I can play my games on them;)
02:49<linagee>billytwowilly: office and such are needed. you know the story. ;)
02:50<billytwowilly>I have office installed on mandrake 9.2
02:50<billytwowilly>crossover is awesome.
02:50<billytwowilly>handled my pirated copy of officexp no prob;)
02:51<billytwowilly>it's actual more stable than it is on windowsxp machine downstairs;)
02:51<billytwowilly>err actually.
02:51<linagee>billytwowilly: any idea if zap2it made the change on purpose to throw off webscrapers? ;-)
02:52<billytwowilly>I doubt it.. the fix is adding a single space on one line of one file..
02:52<billytwowilly>to xmltv I mean.
02:52<mdz>billytwowilly: the new xmltv is at incoming.debian.org waiting to be processed
02:52<billytwowilly>If they were going to screw with webscrapers they'd do something more drastic.
02:52<linagee>mdz: seems to work just fine. ;)
02:52<mdz>has been for 6 days
02:52* linagee 's machine blows up. hehehe
02:53<billytwowilly>mdz: Thanks linagee and I were just discussing that;)
02:53<billytwowilly>someone needs to kick some debian arse;)
02:53<linagee>billytwowilly: oh people webscrape. no doubt about that. ;)
02:53<mdz>ah, I only read back a screenful
02:53<billytwowilly>there should be a comma after thanks.
02:54<linagee>billytwowilly: oh, i thought you were thanking me. heheh
02:54<mdz>it will probably be a while yet before new packages start flowing into unstable again
02:54<billytwowilly>linagee: Thanks;)
02:54* linagee blushes
02:54<billytwowilly>mdz: Why's that? I thought that was the purpose of unstable..
02:54<Netslayer>auh feels good, just submitted a working 1k liner project due at midnight PST
02:55<linagee>Netslayer: but there's still 4 more minutes! :)
02:55<Netslayer>heh
02:55<billytwowilly>darn you and your infernal clarifying with PST, I was going to tell you you were 55 minutes late;)
02:55* linagee is in the PST to
02:55<linagee>o
02:55<Netslayer>did the extra credit plus inxluded an extra 500 line tester that randomly does stuff.. can't do any more heh
02:56<Netslayer>heh cause i know u would have said that i had to put it
02:56<linagee>billytwowilly: CST sucks. :-P
02:56<Netslayer>MST?
02:56<linagee>EST?
02:56<billytwowilly>I'm mountain time;)
02:56<Netslayer>PST -> CST is 2hrs
02:56<billytwowilly>Netslayer: Which uni are you at?
02:56<Netslayer>cal state northridge
02:56<Netslayer>aka where that big earthquake was
02:57<Netslayer>ok next project..err
02:57* linagee was where that big fire was
02:57<mdz>billytwowilly: http://www.debian.org/News/2003/20031121
02:57<billytwowilly>Do you guys use that abomination from peoplesoft to have online access to registering and getting your grades?
02:57* Netslayer was right next door to the big fire
02:57<Netslayer>no
02:57<linagee>Netslayer: it was more next door to me. ;)
02:57<linagee>Netslayer: i could go down the street 1.5 miles and there was fire
02:57<billytwowilly>Netslayer: What do you guys use out of curiousity?
02:58<Netslayer>probably.. i'm on the other side of the i5, while stevensons ranch on the other side got awefly close
02:58<Netslayer>um they just switched our campus to this stupid SOLAR system.. it does that kind of stuff for us
02:58<billytwowilly>mdz: They're stopping package flow just because some of the machines were compromised?
02:58<Netslayer>but we only get grades on there after the profs submit them at the end
02:58<billytwowilly>That's crummy timing.
02:59<linagee>whoa. sure am glad i fixed my xmltv problems! would have missed dilbert!
02:59<linagee>(sin)
02:59<Netslayer>and my project is due in 5.4.3.2.1... happy new oh wait.. happy thanksgiving
02:59<billytwowilly>Netslayer: SOLAR? Is that a brand name or is it what your campus is calling the website?
03:00<Netslayer>ya i hadn't updated that since september suprisingly.. good thing it works now
03:00<Netslayer>my.csun.edu
03:00<linagee>wait, do i even have school tomorrow?
03:00<linagee>LOL
03:00<linagee>college is funny like that. never any excitement the day before holidays
03:00<Netslayer>hmm good q
03:01<billytwowilly>Netslayer: You lucky devil. the peoplesoft stuff (our campus is calling it beartracks after our hockey and football teams) sucks.
03:01<Netslayer>i personaly hate the new system, registration is a month early. it started last week
03:01<mdz>billytwowilly: yes, it's only prudent to put things on hold until everything is sorted out. the people involved are very busy dealing with that
03:01<chiphead>Scholastic OnLine Acess Rsomethingorother I bet
03:01<linagee>hmm... Ripley's Believe it or Not! OR The Mechanical Universe - Vectors!
03:01* linagee does the conflicts
03:02<chiphead>Vectoer!
03:02<linagee>chiphead: i know! vectors are so fun! (implied sarcasm. but it's not like i hate math like most)
03:02<Netslayer>http://www.csun.edu/itr/solar/What%20is%20SOLAR/What%20is%20index.html
03:02<billytwowilly>a second year cs student wrote a webpage called bearscat "what beartracks left behind" that Was better than what our uni paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for.
03:02<Netslayer>student online admin resources = crap
03:03<chiphead>learn some physics while being entertained
03:03<billytwowilly>are there any gpl projects doing what the peoplesoft software and solar are doing?
03:03<linagee>Stargte SG-1 OR South Park - "Osama bin Laden Has Farty Pants"
03:03<billytwowilly>solar looks like it also does webct type stuff.
03:03<Netslayer>heh it's based on peoplesoft as well
03:03<billytwowilly>stargate
03:03<linagee>billytwowilly: :)
03:03* chiphead lost the bet
03:04<billytwowilly>Netslayer: Congratulations, you guys just got ripped off;)
03:04<linagee>billytwowilly: here's a harder one
03:04<Netslayer>i'm sure we payed millions for it i swear
03:04<linagee>billytwowilly: Stargate SG-1 OR Economics U$A
03:04<chiphead>oh yeah you did
03:05<billytwowilly>Netslayer: Sorry, I was being conservative because I don't know how many people attend your uni. I think the pricing is based on users and/or support required, but I'm not sure.
03:05<Netslayer>we're broke, have an overcrowded campus 33k, no parking sports but yet they upgrade a system that was working better before
03:05* chiphead was part of the early implementation team at cleveland state for peoplesoft. was a major ripoff
03:05<Netslayer>sports = spots heh
03:05<billytwowilly>You're about the same size as my uni then, except we appear to be in better financial shape, although just barely.
03:06* linagee wishes he owned peoplesoft. everyone would pay me money because managers tell managers it works. LOL
03:06<chiphead>managers are idiots
03:06<linagee>chiphead: exactly
03:06<billytwowilly>not all managers.
03:06<Netslayer>heh no kidding
03:07<billytwowilly>Many managers are very smart. Unfortunately, their goals are not usually common to yours (the guys that build the stuff they sell) They want to maximize profit. You want something that works well;)
03:07<chiphead>most of em dont know shit about modern tech... they all were educated with mainframes and know nothing else
03:07* linagee hands chiphead a punch card
03:07<billytwowilly>heh, this conversation is getting really good, unfortunately I have to sleep now.
03:07<billytwowilly>G'night guys.
03:07* chiphead wipes his ass
03:08<linagee>billytwowilly: NOOOOO. you can't leave!
03:08<linagee>billytwowilly: stay!
03:08<linagee>billytwowilly: the matrix^H^H^H^H^H^H IRC needs you!
03:08<Netslayer>heh ltr
03:09<linagee>does anyone have their myth boxes set to record "The OC"?
03:09<Netslayer>yup?
03:09<billytwowilly>heh, sorry dude, sunday night, monday night and tuesday night combined = 7 hours sleep. I gots to go;)
03:09<billytwowilly>cheers
03:09<linagee>Netslayer: watch tonight's yet?
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03:09<Netslayer>i'm at least a month behind in all my tv
03:10<Netslayer>98/104GB used heh
03:10<linagee>Netslayer: the bad part about mythtv is that everyone will ruin the endings for you
03:10* Netslayer looks away
03:10* chiphead 's 120g stays full at all times...
03:10* chiphead loves auto expire
03:10* linagee needs a 200G
03:10<Netslayer>i'm so excited, i'm building a second mythbox for the other room..
03:11<linagee>my 120GB is in another computer and almost full :(
03:11<Netslayer>i have a raid0 320gb setup.. just full of other stuff
03:11<chiphead>me too... adding another xbox to the net
03:11<Netslayer>how do those xboxs working out these?
03:11<linagee>LOL. people with myth boxes tend to build more. and buy tons of drives. hehehe
03:11<Netslayer>omg i'm getting tired
03:11<chiphead>makes excelent frontends
03:11<Netslayer>remote?
03:11<chiphead>cheap too
03:11<chiphead>yep
03:11<Netslayer>divx playback?
03:12<chiphead>builtin support... no lirc crap
03:12<linagee>chiphead: buy one for $50 on ebay or something. hehe
03:12* Netslayer wants to buy an xbox
03:12<chiphead>ofcourse
03:12<chiphead>linagee just got one for 118.99
03:12<Netslayer>i should move this server into the other room and run an xbox frontend.. there is an excuse
03:12<chiphead>thats the cheapest on ebay
03:13* chiphead has his server in the basement
03:13<Netslayer>14minutes to decide http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3060210595&category=20387
03:14<linagee>chiphead: ebay is too much then. ;)
03:14<linagee>http://half.ebay.com/cat/buy/prod.cgi?cpid=1072520504&domain_id=851&meta_id=6
03:14<linagee>$112
03:14<chiphead>Netslayer, you can get refurbs for 118.99 there
03:14<Netslayer>wow
03:14<chiphead>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3060966397&category=20387&rd=1 buynow no bidding
03:15<chiphead>1 year warentee
03:15<Netslayer>how easy it is to install nux on those? are u guys using that knoppix thing?
03:15<chiphead>Im using xebian-0.5.1
03:16<chiphead>I didnt like the knoppix install... not flexable enough for me
03:16<chiphead>Netslayer, check out http://xbox-linux.sf.net
03:16<Netslayer>so just xbox + linux + remote = frontend? has nic built
03:16<linagee>you just know that $95 xbox will go higher in the 3 hours it has left
03:16<chiphead>yep
03:17<chiphead>get the dvd playback kit to have a remote about $10
03:17<Netslayer>well of course i use ebay weekly, fricking habit heh
03:17<Netslayer>cool so they've now done it without mod chips or soldering
03:17* linagee does the ebay dance. "when you do it eeeeee-bay"
03:17<Netslayer>heh
03:17* Netslayer skips commercials with mythtv, but seems to remember that one along the way
03:18<Netslayer>anyone here running callerid? think it's time at midnight here to play with that..see if my modem works at least
03:18<linagee>huh?? you can burn a CD and boot the xbox with it now?? COOL
03:19<chiphead>yeah I meiss comercials... too bad thay cant be identified and only skip em if you havent seen em before
03:19<linagee>Netslayer: get a packet8.net phone line. ;)
03:19<linagee>Netslayer: $20/mo, unlimited phone calls. hehehe
03:19<Netslayer>modmes just for callerid.. i use broadband
03:19<Netslayer>modmes eh heh modems
03:20<Netslayer>hmm so newer xboxs have a new video encoder that's not supported yet that bites
03:21<linagee>Netslayer: if i want a linux controlled voice mailbox system, any idea how to do that?
03:21<Netslayer>no, but if find out yell it out in here sometime heh
03:21* linagee googles
03:21<Netslayer>i want a voice controlled linux box
03:21<linagee>cool. heheh
03:21<linagee>Netslayer: http://vocpsystem.com/
03:22<linagee>"Much more than an answering machine, VOCP transforms your computer into a full-featured call answering and voice messaging system"
03:22<Netslayer>omg a new use for my server!!!!!!11
03:22* linagee wonders if caller id can be incorporated into that. ;)
03:22<linagee>caller id sees it's a friend calling and they get a different greeting? :)
03:23<Netslayer>is this free?
03:23<linagee>whoa. you could make it like: "please press the dialtone buttons that spell out our last name"... that would be awesome!
03:23<linagee>Netslayer: not sure. it's from a googling
03:23<linagee>it says sourceforge so i would assume so
03:23<Netslayer>GNU GPL hell ya
03:23<linagee>cool. incorporates fax too. :)
03:24<Netslayer>i don't even call my home heh.. but i must have it
03:24* Netslayer loves linux
03:25<linagee>the funny part is that voicemail systems like this were embedded computers ~10 years ago and costed thousands of dollars. ;)
03:25<linagee>whoa. it uses festival text to speech! exellent!
03:26<linagee>"You can have VOCP read slashdot for you while you wait for the bus!"
03:26* linagee sings the "linux is great" song
03:27<linagee>whoa. what if you had the message, "hello. we screen all of our calls. please leave a message and it will be answered as soon as possible"
03:28<linagee>have your computer call your cellphones, pagers, everything to get you to check the voicemail
03:28-!-mdz [~mdz@dialup-67.73.23.160.Dial1.LosAngeles1.Level3.net] has quit ["Client Exiting"]
03:28<linagee>have it email you. ;)
03:29<Netslayer>think i have to poweroff to install an amr modem?
03:29<linagee>Netslayer: will an AMR work? check the supported modems
03:29<Netslayer>ya it's supported
03:29<linagee>Netslayer: and yes, definitely power off to install an AMR modem
03:29<Netslayer>i found it at the bottom of pc components here heh
03:29<Netslayer>so that's a no i'm fine without powering off ;-)
03:29<linagee>where does it say AMR?
03:30<Netslayer>goodby 20 day uptime
03:30* chiphead wonders if he can get cid from his cell phone when its in the cradle
03:30<Netslayer>it's like 2inches long
03:30<linagee>Netslayer: yep
03:30<Netslayer>it's some pctel amr v1.2 56k card
03:31<linagee>not seeing it
03:31<Netslayer>unbelievably my new mobo has an amr slot, and i still have this card, there are drivers in nux for it and apparently caller id works
03:31<Netslayer>http://www.hightech.com.hk/html/pctelamr.htm
03:31<Netslayer>that's it.. same one
03:32<linagee>argh. cache went down
03:32<chiphead>amr slot never heard of it
03:32<chiphead>is it just for modems.
03:32<Netslayer>ya something cheap like that
03:32<linagee>chiphead: buy a cheapy mini motherboard. it might have one
03:32<Netslayer>if it works i'll think it's great
03:33<Netslayer>00:33:08 up 20 days, 2:08, 6 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
03:33<chiphead>so its like s serial port slot
03:33<linagee>chiphead: it's like a normal PCI card, but much smaller connection to the mobo
03:33<Netslayer>no idea.. few dozen pins thats all
03:33<chiphead> 1:44am up 56 days, 18:08, 2 users, load average: 0.08, 0.02, 0.01
03:34<Netslayer>think it's for cheaper sound and modem cards
03:34<chiphead>wow the time is way off
03:34<chiphead>lost a few hours
03:34* linagee THINKS he has an amr slot in his server computer. checks
03:34* linagee crosses fingers
03:34* Netslayer pulls chiphead back from the future
03:35<Netslayer>and she's off after a big click
03:36<linagee>Netslayer: just because the AMR works with linux doesn't mean it has "real voice modem" support... :(
03:36<linagee>unless you saw it on the list from the page?
03:37<chiphead> 3:27am up 56 days, 18:12, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.00
03:37<chiphead>thats better
03:37<linagee>fry:/home/mythtv# uptime
03:37<linagee> 00:37:46 up 5 days, 20:29, 5 users, load average: 0.00, 0.26, 0.69
03:38<linagee>[jalton@proxy jalton]$ uptime
03:38<linagee> 12:38am up 26 days, 1:29, 2 users, load average: 0.08, 0.02, 0.01
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03:42<linagee>LOL! COOL!
03:42<linagee>Transfer to VOCP
03:42<linagee>This button may be used to transfer a call in progress (one for which you've already picked up the line) to the voice messaging system.
03:42<linagee>if an advertiser calls, transfer them to your voicemail at a mouseclick! :)
03:50* chiphead is now returning to his irregularly unscheduled comercial free programming
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04:19<StuartL>Morning.
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04:47<linagee>StuartL: but it's still night! :(
04:47* linagee goes to sleep
04:48<StuartL>It feels like it, yes, but it's not...
04:49<linagee>StuartL: 1:50am
04:53<StuartL>9:53am :)
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07:03<o_cee>any dev around?
07:03<o_cee>probably all asleep
07:33<o_cee>can anyone see what's wrong with this?
07:33<o_cee>QString qstrSubtitle = ((*iter)->subtitle).replace(
07:33<o_cee> QRegExp("\""), """);
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07:44<o_cee>bwah..
07:44<o_cee>need to know what info i can get from ProgramInfo*...
08:16<StuartL>o_cee: If it's a 'C' problem I might be able to help, although I don't know the libraries you're using.
08:17<o_cee>it's myth stuff
08:17<o_cee>but i think i got it right
08:18<o_cee>thanks anyway
08:26<rcam>Hey StuartL I finally got back to normal sleeping hours!
08:27<rcam>I just woke up instead of just going to sleep :)
08:48<o_cee>how many are awake here?
08:48<o_cee>anyone who wants to try the new status of mythbackend? pretty much finished now i think
08:50<o_cee>ah well :/
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10:11<chiphead>hmmm blue faces in live tv but ok in recordings... anyone know whats up with that?
10:22<o_cee>check your profiles
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10:59<D-side>anyone else use gentoo?
11:00<chiphead>o_cee, all profiles match
11:01<thor_>chiphead, you just changed your nvidia driver ?
11:01<chiphead>no
11:01<thor_>hrm
11:02<chiphead>only change is I compiled current cvs of myth... but to tell the truth. problems may have been around for a while as I hardly ever view livetv
11:03<chiphead>using halloween ivtv for my 250
11:04<thor_>hmmm .... I dunno .... only time I ever had blue faces was with an old nvidia driver
11:04<thor_>but that was like a year ago
11:04<thor_>oh crap
11:04<thor_>I just said "like" a year ago
11:04<chiphead>this is an xbox we dont have much a choice for nvidia driver (much=none)
11:04<thor_>right
11:05<chiphead>no biggy really as I seldom view livetv except occationally when testing something
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11:40<Chutt>thor, yo
11:40<thor_>yup
11:40<Chutt>nice backing me up on the mailing list =)
11:41<thor_>could hardly believe that comment was in there
11:41<thor_>:-)
11:42<thor_>I am looking forward to having a decent look at his removable media watcher though, as I need to do that soon in any case
11:44<Chutt>heh
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11:44<Chutt>i don't see any point to making the channel changing stuff a plugin
11:44<Chutt>no stuff like lirc
11:44<Chutt>that's a tiny, tiny amount of code
11:45<thor_>I take his overall point (obviously), but I think he's thinking from the interface "down"
11:46<thor_>how's the "super duper holy crap I can jump anywhere with my little remote" key binding stuff coming ?
11:47<Chutt>upgraded to cvs lately?
11:47<Chutt>have mythgallery or mythgame?
11:47<thor_>no and yes ... I'll go play
11:47<Chutt>just hit - or = from anywhere within mythtv
11:48<thor_>hee hee
11:48<Chutt>will take you directly to mythgame / mythgallery
11:48<Chutt>well, from anywhere i've converted over so far
11:48<thor_>sweet
11:48<Chutt>just need to do all the other plugins
11:49<thor_>make distclean ?
11:49<Chutt>probably need to
11:49<thor_>k
11:49<Chutt>i've changed stuff in libmyth a bit
11:50<Chutt>plan is to convert all the plugins
11:50<Chutt>then write some db save / load code
11:50<Chutt>then add stuff to mythweb to configure it all
11:50<Chutt>then put out 0.13 a week later
11:51<thor_>haven't looked at how you're doing this, but am guessing MythThemedDialog has it's own set of presses ?
11:51<thor_>a, 0.13
11:51<thor_>no danger of me having anything ready for that :-)
11:52<Chutt>myththemeddialog is just using the global ones, iirc
11:52<thor_>I'll have a look
11:56<Chutt>myththemeddialog doesn't have it's own keypress handler
12:00<o_cee>hiya Chutt
12:01<o_cee>the new statuspage is pretty much done, at least stage 1..
12:01<thor_>and it looks darn cool
12:01<Chutt>great
12:01<o_cee>privmsg:ing you url to my backend so you can see it
12:01<o_cee>don't want the whole channel to look at my backend
12:02<Chutt>heh
12:02<Chutt>the description stuff isn't placed properly in konq
12:02<Chutt>but that's ok
12:02<o_cee>only tried in mozilla.. and the css is validated, and the html is xhtml 1.0
12:03<o_cee>but i need to know how to get the recording profile, thought i'd add that
12:03<o_cee>and maybe the hostname of the backend would be nice as well
12:03<Chutt>heh, ok
12:03<Chutt>the recording profile should be in the programinfo class that's already there
12:03<Chutt>hostname is just 'gContext->GetHostname()' or something similar to that
12:06<o_cee>something like (*iter)->profile? or (*iter)->recordingprofile?
12:06<chiphead>wow mythweb seems 10x faster now
12:06<Chutt>o_cee, you'll have to look at it, i'm not sure
12:06<o_cee>okay
12:06<Chutt>and i have to leave for a bit =)
12:06<o_cee>allrighty, i gotta get some food as well :) later
12:06<thor_>gobble gobble
12:10<chiphead>thor_ whats the current status of the mfd stuff? sounds very interesting for xbox users. thin clients
12:11<thor_>the only end user useful functionality at the moment is that if it's running, you can play all your mythmusic content with iTunes
12:12<thor_>it's on the verge of being a lot more useful though
12:13<chiphead>more useful as in tv support?
12:14<thor_>usefullness for TV watching will probably happen almost last :-(
12:15<thor_>but it will get there
12:15<chiphead>:) thats the only part I would be interested in
12:16<chiphead>I only use myth for tv. dont care for the other stuff. prefer freevo for movies music etc.
12:16<thor_>you won't for long :-)
12:16<bitbyte>but does it do HDTV?
12:16<chiphead>would be nice to be able to write a freevo mythplugin
12:17<matt_>do i need libqt3-mt-dev on debian testing to build? doing a dist-upgrade will remove that package
12:17<chiphead>err a freevoplugin for mythtv
12:17<thor_>chiphead, you can always do a custom menu entry that launched freevo
12:17<thor_>launches
12:19<chiphead>thor_, true, but since I use more freevo features than myth it makes sence for me the otherway around
12:19<thor_>yup
12:21<chiphead>I really like freevo's fxd files that let you define multiple files on multiple discs for movies. asks you to nsert a disc when needed. allows the cataloging of the whole offline video library
12:22<thor_>how about if you could stick 5 discs in 5 different drives on 5 different machines and have them playback in order, all without ever entering an IP address or a hostname ?
12:23<bitbyte>but does it do HDTV?
12:24<thor_>bitbyte, does what do HDTV ?
12:24<bitbyte>freevo
12:24<thor_>ah
12:24<thor_>hee hee
12:24<bitbyte>:)
12:24<chiphead>bitbyte, I dont use freevo for video recording. I use mythtv...
12:25<chiphead>mythtv hands down is the best pvr
12:25<chiphead>I just dont care for the way mythvideo mythdvd work
12:25<D-side>hm.
12:25<D-side>for you xbox users, is there a particular chip you recommend?
12:26<chiphead>so currently I use pdmenu to choose which one I want to run
12:26<chiphead>I use the X2.2 pro
12:28<chiphead>D-side, do you plan on keeping xbox functionality? or using it exclusivly for myth?
12:28<D-side>i was considering the x2.2plus, the solderless one. i have no solder skills whatsoever.
12:28<D-side>it'd be nice to use it for both.
12:28<D-side>i havent looked much into the myth xbox stuff. is it off a bootable disc, or does it use the hd
12:28<chiphead>then pretty much any chip with a disable will do
12:29<D-side>very good.
12:29<chiphead>D-side, I have my box 100% linux. no xbox functionality. bought it for the expressed purpose of running myth. there are livecd version, but I have no experience with them
12:30<matt_>knoppmyth
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12:32<D-side>chiphead: is there a howto or other documentation available on setting it up the way you did?
12:33<chiphead>yes. xbox-linux.sf.net I installed Xebian-0.5.1 using the whole disc. If you descide to forget xbox functionallity and install on whole disc, you dont need a mod chip
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12:40<D-side>chiphead: i wasnt aware of that.
12:40<D-side>hm.
12:54<bitbyte>does the xbox work well for myth? does it only act as a frontend?
12:55<D-side>how were you going to stick a tuner in it? :)
12:55<chiphead>frontend... although there are usb tuners. i dont know anyone using one
12:55<bitbyte>does myth support them?
12:56<D-side>i'm fairly sure theres no linux support for them
12:56<chiphead>i dunno
12:56<bitbyte>side, i've never seen an xbox up close, thats why i'm asking
12:58<chiphead>if linux suppoertd it and there was a v4l support for it. there is a good chance if may work on an xbox
13:00<D-side>sure
13:00<D-side>except there isnt. :)
13:01<D-side>i wish that werent the case. with usb2 anyway, that'd be plenty to get quality in.
13:03<matt_>the usb ports on the xbox are only 1.1, right?
13:09<matt_>hmm i'm getting a lot of errors in libmyth when trying to build
13:10<thor_>such as ?
13:10<chiphead>matt_, yes. 1.1
13:11<matt_>a bunch of syntax errors in lcddevice.h & mythdialogs.h and previously declared symbol errors
13:12<matt_>possibly other stuff but the buffer is only 200 lines long
13:14<thor_>you edit settings.pro to turn lcddevice stuff ?
13:14<thor_>edited
13:15<matt_>nope
13:15<thor_>Suse ?
13:15<matt_>debian testing
13:16<thor_>dunno ... post errors to a URL or to -user mailing list ?
13:17<matt_>i will in a second...trying to get all the errors (over 1,000 lines)
13:17<thor_>probably the first ten lines or so that are relevant
13:17<matt_>well the first 10 are getting cut off
13:17<thor_>yup
13:18<thor_>;-)
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13:20<matt_>ahh it looks like i'm missing some qt stuff...i knew getting rid of libqt3-mt-dev wasn't a good idea
13:21<thor_>that would do it
13:22<matt_>seems to be working now. don't know why apt decided it needed to be removed
13:51<o_cee>thor_: could you help me out with the programinfo class? i looked in mythtv/libs/libmythtv/programinfo.h, but can't see anything about the recordingprofile there..
13:52<thor_>I can look, but NMC
13:53<o_cee>Nasal mucociliary clearance?
13:53<thor_>not my code
13:53<o_cee>ah ;)
13:54<thor_>you want to be able to display on the status screen what recording profile an upcoming recording will use ?
13:54<o_cee>there's something like this
13:54<o_cee>yeah
13:54<o_cee>QMap<int, EncoderLink *>::Iterator iter = encoderList->begin();
13:54<thor_>some reason not to just ask the database ?
13:54<o_cee>and (*iter)->recstartts
13:54<o_cee>Chutt said it should be in that one already
13:54<thor_>ah, ok let me look at it
13:55<o_cee>found all the other entries in programinfo.h, but nothing about profiles
13:55<thor_>RecordingType ?
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13:55<o_cee>dunno
13:55<o_cee>maybe
13:56<thor_>nope, that's not it
13:56<thor_>hmmm ... grep'ing
13:56<o_cee>at least there seems to be channame, could be useful
13:59<thor_>seems to be scheduledrecording
13:59<o_cee>uhm..
13:59<o_cee>allright
14:00* o_cee wanders off again, can't try it now anyway since the tv is in use..
14:00<o_cee>will try it out later
14:01<thor_>select profile from record where recordid = blah
14:01<thor_>(that's how I'd do it, but only cause I'd rather not wander through the code)
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14:24<matt_>ugh...upgrading broke my system. figured it'd happen :-\
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15:25<rcam>matt_ It brakes mysql
15:25<rcam>breaks*
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15:35<matt_>what is "it"?
15:35<matt_>it's actually X that isn't starting for me
15:35<matt_>but i figured i'd upgrade to 2.4.22 and update my kernel modules (alsa, nvidia, and uh...what else)
15:35<matt_>heh, i haven't done this for a while
15:36<matt_>lirc
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16:32<Captain_Murdoch>o_cee, still around?
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17:44<Peit|Home>is it normal to have 5 copies of ("Default","LiveTV","High Quality","Low Quality") profiles in the recording options screen?
17:45<Peit|Home>I'm using 0.12
17:47<Captain_Murdoch>you should see one set in each profile group I believe.
17:48<Peit|Home>hmm
17:49<Peit|Home>o.k.
17:51<Peit|Home>is there a safe method of clearing them
17:51<Peit|Home>or even how to tell which "livetv" is the one for my mpeg2 card (the only capture source i have)
17:55<Peit|Home>i've set all the profiles to 720x576 and when i query the card, it's set to 480x480
17:56<Peit|Home>oh, um, oops, looks like i may have a version mis-match
18:00<Captain_Murdoch>backend/frontend or what?
18:00<matt_>740x480 is the highest you can go
18:01<matt_>well, for NTSC...are you using PAL?
18:02<Peit|Home>backend is 0.12 front end, well who knows, either 0.9 or 0.11 *mutters something about portage overlay from many moons ago*
18:02<Peit|Home>matt I'm in PAL land, yeah
18:03<Captain_Murdoch>you must have been getting really screwed up stuff on the playback screen then.
18:03<Peit|Home>which playback screen ? the playback options?
18:03<Peit|Home>didn't notice anything there,.. didn't try any others
18:04<Captain_Murdoch>no, the screen that lists all the files you have recorded.
18:04<Captain_Murdoch>maybe between 0.11 and 0.12 the wire protocol didnt' change but I thought it did.
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18:10<robbie__>current cvs dont seem to be building
18:11<robbie__>make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/cvs/mythtv/mythtv/filters/quickdnr'
18:11<robbie__>gcc -c -pipe -Wall -W -O3 -march=pentiumpro -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-missing-prototypes -D_REENTRANT -fPIC -D_GNU_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -DPREFIX=\"/usr/local\" -DMMX -I/usr/share/qt3/mkspecs/default -I. -I../../../../../../local/include -I../../libs/libmythtv -o filter_quickdnr.o filter_quickdnr.c
18:11<robbie__>filter_quickdnr.c: In function `quickdnrMMX':
18:11<robbie__>filter_quickdnr.c:272: parse error before `const'
18:11<robbie__>filter_quickdnr.c:291: `sign_convert' undeclared (first use in this function)
18:11<robbie__>whoops, long line
18:12<chiphead>built fine for me
18:12<chiphead>did you make distclean first?
18:12<robbie__>hmm
18:12<robbie__>yep, then i moved it aside and checked it out of cvs again
18:12<robbie__>to be sure to be sure
18:13<Peit|Home>Captain_Murdoch: new backend install, no pre-recorded programs
18:13<Captain_Murdoch>Peit|Home: ahh so you wouldn't notice probably. might mess up some other screens though but I don't know an exact list.
18:14<chiphead>robbie__, hmm. I just built thin morning. I see there was a commit since but noit affecting that file
18:15<robbie__>ya, last 2 were for mythvideo and dvd
18:15<robbie__>hmm, im running debain unstable but havent updated i na while
18:15<robbie__>my qt libs etc are 3.2.1-4
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18:16<robbie__>oh well, update debina and see what happens
18:16<robbie__>debian even
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18:31<matt_>doing a dist-upgrade on debian testing broke some things for me (non-myth related)...like X
18:31<o_cee>Chutt: you around?
18:32<o_cee>isn't it possible to get the title you're currently watching when in LiveTV?
18:33<matt_>check how the osd does it
18:34<o_cee>trying to do it with encoderlink
18:34<o_cee>->GetRecording
18:34<o_cee>but it doesn't seem to work with livetv
18:35<Chutt>GetChannelInfo()
18:35<Chutt>in encoderlink
18:35<o_cee>allright, trying that
18:36<Chutt>that'll only work for local encoders, of course
18:36<o_cee>okay
18:37<chiphead>Chutt, any configuration yet for the keybindings?
18:37<o_cee>no way to make GetRecording get stuff from slaves?
18:37<Chutt>no
18:37<Chutt>o_cee, GetRecording is for recordings.
18:37<o_cee>yeah
18:38<Chutt>chiphead, i still have most of the plugins to convert, first.
18:38<Peit|Home>um, what does "prebuffering pause" mean on the frontend console?
18:38<Chutt>unless someone wants to actually help out
18:39<Chutt>peit|home, that it's pausing to prebuffer?
18:39<chiphead>sry, dont use any plugins
18:39<Chutt>then you get to wait.
18:39<chiphead>:)
18:39<chiphead>and wait I shall
18:39<Peit|Home>Chutt: is it normally an indication of anything, network slowdown or anything? i'm seeing around 3.5M atm on the network
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18:39<Peit|Home>wondering if i have the bitrate too high
18:40<Chutt>it's can be an indication of lots of things
18:41<o_cee>encoderlink.h:87: candidates are: void EncoderLink::GetChannelInfo(QString&,
18:41<o_cee> QString&, QString&, QString&, QString&, QString&, QString&, QString&,
18:41<o_cee> QString&, QString&)... i know i'm doing it wrong, but i'm no good at this :)
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18:41<o_cee>how can it be a void?
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18:42<o_cee>hmm :)
18:43<o_cee>my cat is purring in my lap
18:44<chiphead>mmmm.... I love cats.... when properly prepared
18:46<Chutt>o_cee, so, where's your theme? :p
18:47<o_cee>heh, thor got a firstpreview of it
18:47<o_cee>and told me about dpi that should be 100x100 instead of my 75x75
18:47<o_cee>so i had to change some stuff there.. but it is ready for PR-1, just need to pack it up really
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18:48<Peit|Home>thanks for your help everyone
18:48<Peit|Home>night all
18:49<o_cee>but i don't really understand how to use ::GetChannelInfo.. if i only want title and channame?
18:49<Chutt>you still need to pass in enough variables for everything else.
18:49<o_cee>everything? what a pain.. okay
18:50<o_cee>another thing.. EncoderLink::getHostname doesn't seem to work if it's local?
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18:53<Chutt>gContext->GetHostname()
18:53<o_cee>and i still haven't solved the long translated lines in the theme..
18:53<o_cee>yeah, i have to do that manually?
18:53<o_cee>gContext->GetHostName() actually ;)
18:53<Chutt>do what manually?
18:54<o_cee>check if it's local, and use the right way to get the hostname
18:54<o_cee>would be nice if EncoderLink would return the hostname for local encoders as well
18:56<Chutt>what would the point of that be?
18:56<Chutt>that's what gContext->GetHostname is for.
18:57<o_cee>allright
19:01<o_cee>i'm not familiar with c++.. all the QStrings i created when calling GetChannelInfo, do i need to get rid of them or something?
19:01<o_cee>after using them
19:02<Chutt>as long as you didn't new them, no.
19:02<o_cee>great
19:03<brunes>hrm, so there s amythbrowser plugin now?
19:03<brunes>uses khtml
19:03<brunes>hrmmm
19:04<Chutt>works fairly well, actually
19:04<brunes>well yeah, you embed khtml and it almost just works
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19:04<brunes>im just wondering if it wouldnt be worht it to make a lightweight version that just used QTextBrowser
19:05<brunes>it wouldn only suppor tbasic HTML, but it wouldnt need KDE
19:05<o_cee>muhahah, it's working :)
19:06<o_cee>but, i'd rather get the actual name of the channel instad of just a number.... argh
19:06<Chutt>you get that
19:06<o_cee>Encoder 1 is local on dragon and is watching Live TV: 'Chicago Hope' on 4.
19:07<o_cee>that's from channelname
19:08<o_cee>EncoderLink::GetChannelInfo(......QString &channelname...) that one..
19:10<o_cee>odd
19:11<o_cee>Captain_Murdoch helped me getting the profile as well, had to add that to the ProgramInfo class.. i learned alot today ;)
19:19<o_cee>duuh
19:19<o_cee>i'm looking for callsign of course
19:19<o_cee>starting to get late
19:21<Octane>what would be the best way of going about debugging an issue
19:22<Octane>thats causing my ssytem a hard freeze
19:22<Octane>(i think its the sound drivers)
19:22<chiphead>Chutt, which one you currently working on? if not weather, Ill do that one since it was one I used to use and dont mind installing it again
19:23<Chutt>i just committed weather.
19:23<chiphead>;)
19:23<chiphead>well looks like just video and news are left
19:23<Chutt>music
19:24<o_cee>i did it :) Chutt, check my status page
19:24<Chutt>and the bookmark manager for the browser
19:24<o_cee>the url i send you before
19:24<Chutt>i'll need that again.
19:24<brunes>hrm, was just experimenting with QTextBrowser
19:24<brunes>it actually renders most websites quite well
19:24<brunes>except it doesnt support forms
19:26<o_cee>guess the schedule should print its channel as well
19:28<o_cee>and i haven't got any slave backends, so i can't try that out.. but this will be ready for submission very soonish
19:29<o_cee>ah yeah, this isn't beautiful
19:29<o_cee>(qstrSubtitle == "" ? "" : " (" )
19:29<o_cee> << qstrSubtitle << (qstrSubtitle == "" ? "" : ")" )
19:30<o_cee>how do i do that more simple :) just:
19:30<o_cee>(qstrSubtitle == "" ? "" : " (" << qstrSubtitle << ")" )
19:30<o_cee>?
19:40<o_cee>got it
19:40<o_cee>almost done now
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20:04<o_cee>patch sent
20:04<o_cee>now i need to get to bed
20:06<o_cee>g'night all
20:37<Octane>if im doing a reinstall of mythtv but have certain settings right now, should i just go ahead and backup mysql
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21:18<Captain_Murdoch>Chutt, in reference to what o_cee mentioned, would you mind if EncoderLink::EncoderLink(int capturecardnum, TVRec *ltv) set hostname = gContext->GetHostName() where right now it leaves it null. that would eliminate the need for "if elink->islocal() hostname = gContext->GetHostName() else hostname = elink->getHostname()" stuff in mainserver.
21:40<thor_>Chutt, any idea on that kernel oops for mythmusic ... doesn't make any sense to me
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22:30<Fubs>do anyone have experience gettin mythtv up running on debian woody?
22:36<dopez>i found it easier to update to sarge and then install mythtv
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23:30<robbie>hmm, i notice the picture picture in the tv guide is in the wrong place
23:30<robbie>picture in picture
23:41<Captain_Murdoch>wrong place on the screen or just not sized properly?
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