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---Logopened Thu Dec 04 00:00:10 2003
00:01<shamoun>hey all
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00:28<turmoil>is tv_grab_na broken?
00:28<ChaosExiguum>check the xmltv site
00:29<thor_>0.5.23
00:31<turmoil>Hrm...latest is apparently 0.5.24, but I've got 0.5.22
00:31<turmoil>don't see any breakage on the xmltv site, but it may be old news
00:31<thor_>>= 0.5.23
00:32<turmoil>Oh, didn't realize you were talking to me thor. Are you saying i need xmltv >= 0.5.23?
00:32<thor_>yup
00:32<turmoil>ok thanks
00:32<thor_>np
00:39<turmoil>deb http://cedar-solutions.com/ftp/debian/ unstable main
00:39<turmoil>FYI, that has a debian unstable package of 0.5.23
00:39<turmoil>latest in the *real* unstable is 0.5.22
00:39<turmoil>thanks all
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00:39<dopez>http://incoming.debian.org also has 0.5.23 irrc
00:40<dopez>iirc even..
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00:58<thor_>hmmm vagaries
00:58<Chutt>=)
00:59<thor_>it is exceedingly annoying that QMutex::locked() is undefined if called from the same thread
00:59<Chutt>heh
01:00<Chutt>just make it recursive
01:00<thor_>that statement alone confuses me
01:00<Chutt>make it a recursive mutex
01:00<thor_>yeah ....
01:00<Chutt>then the same thread can lock it as many times as it wants
01:01<Chutt>just make sure to unlock it enough =)
01:01<thor_>yeaj
01:01<thor_>I think I've got it solved by setting a flag
01:01<Chutt>don't need a flag or anything that way
01:02<thor_>well ....
01:02<thor_>when I have incoming on a client socket, I set a ProcessThread on it to deal with it
01:02<thor_>then end up in a select loop
01:02<thor_>but select keeps catching the pending data
01:03<thor_>before the ProcessThread has pulled it off
01:03<thor_>I get all five thread pools fired up
01:03<thor_>err threads in the pool
01:03<thor_>so I want to lock the client socket object
01:04<thor_>but I can't lock it in one thread (in the one place I know I have new data for the first time)
01:04<thor_>and then unlock later once the processing thread has actually pulled the data off
01:04<thor_>so I raise a little flag
01:04<thor_>and then drop it after the readBlock
01:05<thor_>... seems to work :-) ....
01:06<Chutt>that's all that matters =)
01:06<thor_>yup
01:07<thor_>anything I should be doing for lucky 0.13 ?
01:08<Chutt>not that i'm aware of
01:08<thor_>k
01:11<Chutt>testing the keybindings code =)
01:11<Chutt>but everyone can do that
01:15<thor_>haven't even played with it ... but I will on the weekend sometime
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01:31<Netslayer>any idea what would cause a remote frontend to have a really bad hue (everything is green) on playback
01:32<DogBoy>what video card is that
01:32<DogBoy>there's some mention of green hue in the mplayer docs
01:32<Netslayer>it worked before, so i don't know what changed, it's a radeon 7500 mobile
01:32<DogBoy>might be a related thing
01:32<Netslayer>i haven't touched this comp.. this is too weird
01:32<DogBoy>I was just reading them the other day
01:32<Netslayer>mythtv uses mplayer?
01:32<Netslayer>don't think so
01:32<thor_>mythvideo does
01:32<DogBoy>I didn't mean to imply that
01:33<DogBoy>just that the problem might be related to what was said in the mplayer docs
01:33<Chutt>did you turn on the playback picture controls?
01:34<Netslayer>probably heh.. where are thos
01:34<Netslayer>would that be on the backend or the frontend
01:34<Chutt>frontend
01:34<Chutt>'Use Xv picture controls'
01:35<Netslayer>ya that's on
01:35<Netslayer>can't i set color stuff on playback?
01:35<Chutt>yeah
01:35<Chutt>it's just that the defaults don't work on radeon cards
01:36<Chutt>read keys.txt to see how to adjust things
01:36<Chutt>believe it's 'f' to start out with it
01:36<Netslayer>ya none of those f keys work
01:36<Chutt>err, no, those are for recording settings.
01:36<Chutt>as i just said, it's 'f' to start.
01:37<Chutt>or just turn the xv picture controls off and restart x
01:37<Netslayer>ahahaah
01:37<Chutt>or possibly the entire machine, to get the default settings back.
01:37<Netslayer>f -> hue
01:37<Netslayer>it was all the way down heh
01:37<Netslayer>thx
01:38<Chutt>i always like how people can spell properly when they're asking for help, but can't when they're saying thanks.
01:38<Netslayer>i prefer thx, it's quicker
01:38<Netslayer>heh
01:38<Chutt>it's damn annoying.
01:38<Netslayer>like lol instead of heh?
01:39<Chutt>especially when the issue was discussed on the mailing list, and you could have just searched for it
01:39<Netslayer>ya
01:41<Netslayer>well since this is a dev channel anyway, what do you guys think of adding the ability to mythmusic - select music - CD to support mp3 formatted discs? I can see no other way to just play mp3 cdr's other then changing the path on the fly.
01:41<Chutt>send in a patch
01:42<Netslayer>i'm busy this week, but i'll check out the code in greater detail and possibly do that
01:42<Netslayer>it's C isn't it
01:42<Chutt>nope.
01:43<Netslayer>ok i'm baffled what is it, some qt or something
01:43<thor_>is there a "standard" for how mp3 discs are layed out? Do those portable players just look at an iso9660 file system and try anything that ends in .mp3 ?
01:43<Chutt>c++.
01:43<Netslayer>ya i think it's just .mp3
01:43<Netslayer>oh heh, c, c++
01:43<thor_>cobal
01:44<billytwowilly>thor_: The nike discman/mp3 player forces you to have them in /artist/album/*.mp3, but besides that I've never seen any other forced format.
01:45<thor_>k
01:45<thor_>Thanks
01:45<Netslayer>as far as i've seen, they just read the normal folder structure, and search for .mp3's
01:46<Netslayer>actually having the option like in mythvideo of just seeing directory structure might be easier/nicer to add
01:46<Chutt>already can do that.
01:46<Netslayer>:-O
01:46* Netslayer runs to his mythbox
01:46<thor_>hehe
01:49<thor_>excellent
01:49<thor_>this processthread stuff works like a charm
01:49<thor_>now I can finish that damn http server
01:49<thor_>:-)
01:52<Netslayer>omg i love mythtv
01:52<Netslayer>heh
01:52<Netslayer>as if i didn't before, but this little feature fixes so much hassel for mp3 playback
01:54<ChaosExiguum>riiiight
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02:01<Lenolium>Good news, I turned off VBI data grabbing, and my bttv errors (in dmesg) went away! I also got my bttv card off of the main shared interrupt.
02:02<thor_>that should help
02:03<Lenolium>but I'm still at the same place.
02:03<thor_>black screen on watch tv
02:03<thor_>?
02:09<Lenolium>Yup.
02:09<Lenolium>But I can't pass the xawtv test... so that is what I am working on.
02:09<thor_>ah
02:09<thor_>full duplex issues
02:09<thor_>buy a sound card ?
02:10<Netslayer>i've got to get my audigy working with spdif.. bought it just for myth but turns out it has the emu10k2 chipset that isn't supported heh
02:12<Netslayer>oh hey i asked this question on the mailing list but can someone second that this will work. When I setup a remote slave backend/frontend I run the ./setup on the masterbackend and it will detect my remote slaves capure cards, or do i run ./setup on all machines with capture cards?
02:14<thor_>http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-21.html#ss21.12
02:14<Netslayer>that's what i was reffering to actually
02:15<Netslayer>hmm.. interesting
02:16<Lenolium>thor_: This machine has two sound cards.
02:16<Netslayer>oh sweet, it works more automaticaly then i thought it would
02:17<thor_>Lenolium, and you can't get either to pass the xawtv | arecord test ?
02:18<Netslayer>so why isn't there a section in the docs devoted to HowTo guides people post on the mailing list? There are a lot of great ones, and it would be pretty beneficial to catalog those
02:18<thor_>docs don't write themselves :-)
02:20<Lenolium>(Alsa Q): How do I get it to record/play from the second card?
02:20<Netslayer>nah i mean there already lots of howto guides posted, i think i made one a while back about lirc
02:20<Netslayer>there should be a place we can dump em for submission into a docs/howto guides dir or something
02:21<Lenolium>Okay, I lied.
02:22<Lenolium>I was just being stupid.
02:22<Lenolium>the xawtv + arecord test passes beautifully.
02:22<Lenolium>s/arecord/aplay/
02:22<thor_>cool
02:23<Lenolium>xawtv was muting the audio on the bttv side, so it never made it to my audio card... so I was hearing the silence I was supposed to be hearing, so I unmuted it in xawtv, and muted it in alsamixer, and now it only makes noise when I use aplay.
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02:28<Lenolium>All I want for Christmas is no black screen, no black screen, yes I mean no black screen.
02:28<thor_>I failed to parse your previous paragraph
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03:26<bline>damnit
03:26<Chutt>hm?
03:27<bline>Couldn't read data from the capture card in 15 seconds. Game over, man.
03:27<bline>heh nice error
03:27<Chutt>ah, standard ivtv death?
03:27<bline>dunno, catting /dev/video0 works.. strange
03:29<bline>ahh, errors in dmesg from ivtv
03:33<bline>hows the keybinding code coming?
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03:38<Chutt>it's done
03:38<bline>wow, that was fast
03:38<bline>coding machine you are
03:41<Chutt>something like that
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03:45<thor_>eh/
03:45<thor_>nm
03:45<thor_>sleep
03:46<bline>night
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05:16<o_cee>anyone awake?
05:18<bline>yeah
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05:22<o_cee>you familiar with myth code and sql stuff?
05:22<o_cee>and qt
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05:23<robbie_>bit hot atm, swimming at 8:30pm
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05:33<bline>know a bit about qt, not much about myth
05:33<bline>and I know sql pretty well
05:34<o_cee>send the patch to the list, will see what those that decide says
05:36<bline>sounds like a plan
05:36<o_cee>:)
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07:10<Nynaeve>hello
07:10<Nynaeve>anyone here?
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09:54<o_cee>https://dragon.dyndns.tv/mythtv/gantnewfont.png <--- what do you guys say? would that one work? i think it looks pretty good
09:55<kvandivo>i like the X
09:56<o_cee>yah, it's cool
09:56<choenig>uh, I think I'd prefer the cleaner font
09:56<kvandivo>i'm not crazy about the font, either
09:56<o_cee>http://www.astigmatic.com/handage.html
09:56<kvandivo>a bit too caveman
09:56<o_cee>that one then?
09:56<o_cee>i can make a screenshot
09:57<choenig>go on
09:58<o_cee>gantnewfont2.png same place
09:58<o_cee>chars cut-off, but don't mind that
10:00<Peitolm>much cleaner
10:00<Peitolm>personally
10:00<mikegrb>I like the colors too
10:00<mikegrb>the orange with bold black outline looks really good
10:01<o_cee>yeah, i think i got it pretty good now.. tried some different colors
10:01<o_cee>i'll see how this font feels after some use
10:01<o_cee>i like it too
10:01<mikegrb>does your theme have the alert stuff?
10:01* mikegrb really likes popups on new email
10:02<o_cee>what alert stuff?
10:02<mikegrb>myth_alert
10:02<mikegrb>ig
10:02<mikegrb>'er
10:02<mikegrb>sorry
10:02<mikegrb>that is osd
10:02<mikegrb>silly me
10:02<o_cee>isn't that osd?
10:02<o_cee>yeah
10:02<o_cee>:)
10:02<mikegrb>heh
10:02<mikegrb>do you plan an osd?
10:02<o_cee>not right now
10:02<mikegrb>bah!
10:02* mikegrb wants
10:02<o_cee>pretty happy with sasquatch
10:02* mikegrb should try
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10:03<o_cee>no alert stuff tho
10:03<o_cee>:/
10:03<mikegrb>do you know of some screen shots somewhere of that osd?
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10:03<mikegrb>heh I can add it easily
10:03<o_cee>if you do, post it to the ml as well :)
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10:03<o_cee>planning on doing CID stuff when i get time
10:03<o_cee>see if i can find a modem i could use
10:04<mikegrb>I kind of like that first font, the bigger one, though on a big tv it would be a bit much
10:04<mikegrb>yes
10:04<mikegrb>I should post my perl script for sending email alerts
10:05<mikegrb>I should make it send the udp packets directly though
10:05<mikegrb>rather then calling the external program for that
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10:08<o_cee>kvandivo, choenig: what did you think of the other font?
10:08<kvandivo>i prefer it to caveman one, but go with whatever you like. as the theme designer that is your right. :)
10:09<o_cee>hehe, they're both cool.
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10:14<o_cee>the other font is good because it's all caps.. makes it easier, no stupid letters that needs alot of space vertically
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14:04<thor_>so there !
14:05<Chutt>hm?
14:05<thor_>all talk, no patches
14:05<thor_>:-)
14:06<thor_>I keep thinking people haven't tried the option to have channel change just do the OSD .... which is so friggin useful it's amazing
14:07<choenig>hi Chutt, had a look at my patch?
14:08<Chutt>choenig, sorry, been busy with other stuff
14:08<Chutt>will do it today
14:08<choenig>ok :)
14:09<kvandivo>i keep wondering why people are messing with live tv anyway.
14:09<kvandivo>it's so.... yesterday
14:09<choenig>I'm not in a hurry, but don't forget it ;)
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14:11<mikegrb>thor_: that is what I use
14:11<mikegrb>thor_: I was so happy when that went in, it frees a button
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14:13<thor_>it is great, but "frees a button" ?
14:13<emice>hrmm.. you can have mythTV work without recording livetv capabilites? just with the OSD? how so?
14:13<emice>my wintv pci can't keep up, so I'd love that feature
14:13<Chutt>erm
14:13<Chutt>read what he said.
14:14<emice>where to find the patch?
14:14<Chutt>uh, what the hell are you talking about?
14:14<poptix>what are people messing with re: live tv?
14:14<thor_>oh dear
14:14<mikegrb>thor_: I don't have to have a button to pop up the browse doobie
14:14<Chutt>poptix, just whiney bitches and channel changing time as usual =)
14:14<mikegrb>I just hit up or down and it pops up
14:14<poptix>Chutt: ah, shrug
14:15<mikegrb>heh
14:15<thor_>ah
14:15<mikegrb>all those emails get the 'd' key immidiatley
14:15<emice>itt doesn't say up above how to use myth just as an OSD
14:15<poptix>Chutt: ask them if they've ever used a tivo, and seen the delay there
14:15<emice>I did read what he said
14:15<mikegrb>as well as emails that have 'lets try this again'
14:15<Chutt>emice, because you can't do that.
14:15<emice>dah
14:15<emice>I need a stopgap solution.. before I get a pvr-250
14:15<poptix>tivo's i've seen do the same thing
14:16<Chutt>buy a better machine and stop bitching.
14:16<thor_>"have channel change just do the OSD" != "use myth just as an OSD"
14:16<Chutt>poptix, that's been mentioned
14:16<emice>myth looks great.. I just wonder how the HD support is..
14:16<Chutt>poptix, "but it should be better!"
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14:17<poptix>Chutt: yes, mythtv needs psychic abilities so it can start buffering the other channel on another tuner
14:17<emice>what else does it normally do when you change channels, besides OSD and buffering stuff to disk?
14:17<thor_>yah, no remote !
14:17<Chutt>emice, look at the code before asking questions.
14:18<emice>is mythtv only for coders?
14:18<Chutt>this channel is
14:18* kvandivo sits down and watches.
14:18<emice>oh
14:18* mikegrb passes kvandivo popcorn
14:18<emice>it didn't say that on the website
14:18* thor_ under the desk yet again
14:18* kvandivo rubs his hands together in anticipation.
14:18<Chutt>it doesn't mention this channel on the website.
14:19<cmorgan>can't we all just get along? ;-)
14:19<emice>so I should just sit here, scratch my balls..
14:19<emice>and watch all the insight
14:19<emice>ask no questions
14:19<Chutt>unless you're going to contribute in a meaningful fashion.
14:19<poptix>emice: you could better spend the time reading documentation
14:19* kvandivo hands emice some blinds to hide behind if he is going to do that.
14:20<mikegrb>tee-hee
14:20<emice>the docs don't answer the question I asked though
14:20<emice>I read it all
14:20<mikegrb>also mailing list archives
14:20<emice>I was wondering if there was some undocumented way to have mythtv function just as an OSD
14:20<cmorgan>emice: you are trying to figure out why there is a delay when changing channels? ;-)
14:20<mikegrb>a wealth of info there
14:20<emice>I'm on both lists and have searched them
14:20<emice>heh, nope
14:20<mikegrb>I don't think it is likely you would ask a question not on there
14:20<poptix>emice: yes, change over to the composite input
14:21<poptix>emice: then all you'll see is a blue screen
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14:21<poptix>and can play with the OSD all day long
14:21<poptix>=)
14:21<emice>yeah.. right
14:21<cmorgan>i think people are still talking about the channel changing delay...
14:22<poptix>cmorgan: people will always talk about it
14:22<cmorgan>not sure if there is a good answer for it though
14:22<poptix>they're morons
14:22<poptix>the only possible way to accelerate channel changing would be to start buffering with another tuner on another channel
14:22<emice>I can't STAND morons
14:23<poptix>and that would only work if the channel that you were going to change to were known
14:23<emice>don't they understand it is tied to the hardware
14:23* poptix looks at emice
14:23<cmorgan>poptix: is that because the delay is due to the hardware buffering data?
14:23<cmorgan>poptix: it seems like a boatload of data that is being buffered
14:23<poptix>cmorgan: have you ever used a tivo?
14:24<cmorgan>poptix: nope, similar delay for them?
14:24<poptix>cmorgan: yes
14:24<ChaosExiguum>even watching hdtv off air you get a change delay
14:24* emice looks at poptix
14:24<poptix>the only other solution, would be with a DVB type card where you have multiple channels on the same stream
14:24* emice begins twitching his eye uncontrollably
14:25<poptix>and buffering the entire stream
14:25<poptix>which is just dumb, considering the size of the stream
14:25<thor_>imagine a Beowulf cluster of buffers !
14:25<poptix>learn how to use the program guide to find what you want instead of flipping through channels like a couch potato
14:25<cmorgan>poptix: i've nothing to compare it to.... surprised someone hasn't timed both of them and put that in the faq, that would settle things if the delay really is close
14:27<ChaosExiguum>using the tivo w/ its ir blaster its acutally about 2x as slow as myth in my expirence
14:27<cmorgan>ahh
14:28<cmorgan>well i've got my answer finally ;-) thanks poptix
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15:22<emice>hrmm.. can you jump straight to a program you have highlighted in the program guide? without keying in the channel number?
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15:24<dja>look in keys.txt
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15:27<emice>I did.. there doesn't appear to be one.. space or enter ask me if I want to record that time slot
15:28<emice>it would be handy to be able to browse over to a show and press a button.. and switch right to the channel..
15:30<emice>what do you know
15:31<emice>M does the trick..
15:31<emice>and it was in keys.txt
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15:52<Chutt>choenig, still here?
15:52<choenig>jepp
15:52<Chutt>the wol stuff if it can't connect to the db
15:52<Chutt>depends on getting settings from the db
15:53<Chutt>kinda hard to do that if it can't connect =)
15:53<choenig>aeh :-)
15:54<Chutt>i'll leave that part out for now
15:54<Chutt>in scheduler.cpp, i moved some of the stuff from the main scheduler loop into a separate function, just to cut down on line length
15:54<choenig>hmm, I'll have a look, but I thought (IIRC) to add it to mysql.txt (that part is stuff from the very beginning which I don't use)
15:55<choenig>heh, I did that four or five times, too, everytime finding it not necessary and reverting back
15:56<Chutt>i don't like lines over 80 chars
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15:57<choenig>sorry, I know, but I did not think that it is good style to reinvent half of the vars again.
15:58<choenig>anything else problematic?
15:59<Chutt>nothing really
15:59<choenig>fine :-)
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16:00<Chutt>It does not shut down, if its idle, but a recording starts within this period.
16:00<Chutt>ah, what do you mean there?
16:01<choenig>thats what part?
16:01<Chutt>from the help text for idleWaitForRecordingTime
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16:03<choenig>ok... if it is idle it would normally shut down, but you can set the idleWaitFor... so that if a recordings starts within that period from now on it stays alive...
16:03<choenig>meaning that it does not shutdown now, to be waken up in say 15 mins again
16:03<Chutt>ok
16:05<Chutt>i'm just fixing your english =)
16:05<choenig>thats perfectly ok with me :)
16:06<thor_>hmmm /. down ?
16:06<choenig>this WOLsqlserver is fun :-)... the time I wrote that code I had the settings in mysql.txt and then some time later (maybe the second time I sent you the patch) I realized, that that config stuff is missing in backendsettings.cpp and I simply added it withou even thinking about it
16:07<choenig>Chutt: is it ok for you when these three settings are added to mysql.txt (by default or only as a referenz in the docs) ?
16:09<Chutt>sure
16:09<Chutt>thor, sure seems to be
16:15<choenig>ok, then I'll wait for your commit to fix my conflicts and then send you the patch for that little thing
16:15<Chutt>ok
16:16<Chutt>oh, and i got rid of your new GetLocalhostname function
16:16<Chutt>since it was identical to GetHostName :p
16:16<choenig>oh :)
16:17<choenig>arg, I missed that since I only looked in .cpp and not in the header file :(
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16:50<Chutt>choenig, ok, your stuff's in cvs now, apart from the sql server wol bits
16:50<choenig>thanks :-)
16:58<choenig>Chutt: so, would you prefer that WOLsqlserver settings only mentioned in the docs so that the user can add it himself to, or want me to write a patch that adds the settings commented out in mysql.txt?
16:58<Chutt>commented out in mysql.txt
16:58<choenig>ok
16:58<cmorgan>how to build myth with profiling enabled? i can't seem to figure out how to do so, tried passing the parameter into configure via ./configure --extra-cflags=-pg but it didn't seem to wkr
16:59<Chutt>cmorgan, what are you trying to profile?
16:59<cmorgan>Chutt: i'm curious as to why the recorded programs dialog stops responding to key presses when it is playing video
16:59<cmorgan>preview video that is
16:59<Chutt>you'd need to compile for debugging, not profiling
17:00<Chutt>and that's because it's waiting for the video to start
17:00<Chutt>generally.
17:00<cmorgan>i've got compiling for debugging
17:00<cmorgan>but shouldn't keys still take effect?
17:00<cmorgan>it was nearly impossible to navigate the list the last i tried
17:01<Chutt>so turn off the preview vids
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17:01<cmorgan>:-P
17:01<cmorgan>i thought maybe instead we could process keystrokes in between lengthly operations?
17:01<Chutt>nope.
17:02<Chutt>not there, at least.
17:02<cmorgan>i looked at PlaybackBox::updateVideo()
17:02<cmorgan>it seems like if we split that into a couple of parts it would allow for more interactivity
17:02<Chutt>not going to work.
17:02<cmorgan>mind elaborating as to why?
17:03<Chutt>because that'd be very racey.
17:04<cmorgan>we couldn't just process video with a state machine and when switching to another preview reset the state machine back to the start?
17:04<Chutt>no.
17:04<Chutt>geez
17:04<Chutt>look at the damn code.
17:04<cmorgan>i did
17:04<Chutt>look harder.
17:07<cmorgan>i'm still not sure what you mean. i wanted to see if the timer causing the screen updates was starving key processing
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17:13<cmorgan>Chutt: could you explain why we can't make the key handling not limited by the preview playing?
17:13* kvandivo hums softly.
17:17<thor_>http://slashdot.org/articles/03/12/04/2044225.shtml?tid=141&tid=188 <-- sounds rather mfd'ish if you ask me :-)
17:19<billytwowilly>there are several subtle differences.. tuna uses wifi only..
17:20<thor_>and it won't "let you" download
17:20<billytwowilly>and it provides IM capabilities.
17:20<billytwowilly>interesting idea, but I think mfd is more practical.
17:20<thor_>but dynamic build up and tear down of mutlimedia collections
17:20<billytwowilly>atleast I'll use it more when it's done;)
17:20<thor_>oh yeah ...
17:20<thor_>... back to work
17:21<billytwowilly>sorry, that wasn't meant as a hint or anything..
17:21<thor_>shhh, working
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17:23<o_cee>hiya all
17:25<o_cee>now when maybe more people are here: whatcha think of this? https://dragon.dyndns.tv/mythtv/gantnewfont2.png ?
17:26<o_cee>is that big enough for you Chutt? :)
17:27<thor_>not a big fan of the font face
17:27<poptix>careful
17:28<poptix>someone might sniff your PNG's
17:28<o_cee>no? i think it looked pretty neat
17:28<o_cee>poptix: not mine,as the README says
17:28<o_cee>ah oh
17:28<o_cee>maybe that's now what you meant :)
17:28<o_cee>i'm not that paranoid
17:28<lmatter>o_cee: I like the clock.
17:29<cmorgan>that kind of face looks neat, not sure if i like that particular implementation
17:29<cmorgan>not bad though
17:29<o_cee>an alternative style is gantnewfont.png
17:29<o_cee>but i like the other one better
17:30<o_cee>if you have a font that would fit in, lemme know..
17:30<thor_>sounds like two themes to me
17:30<thor_>:-)
17:30<cmorgan>gantnewfont looks like the font from gta ;-)
17:30<thor_>(the all caps one was nicer I thought .... but this is totally subjective)
17:30<o_cee>my gf rejected it, heh ;)
17:31<cmorgan>the two images on the right side are neat as well
17:31<cmorgan>and the background
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17:31<o_cee>glad you like it
17:32<Chutt>eww
17:32<Chutt>arial :p
17:32<o_cee>bleh :P
17:32<cmorgan>Chutt: you ignoring my previous messages? :-P
17:32<Chutt>cmorgan, so?
17:32<cmorgan>heh
17:32<Chutt>i really don't feel like explaining how threads work to you
17:32<cmorgan>just trying to learn this stuff
17:34<o_cee>dunno what font to have there.. argh.
17:35<cmorgan>Chutt: yeah, i'm not sure how the threads in mythtv are setup, whether all qt events are a single thread or whatever
17:36<Chutt>o_cee, i preferred the old stuff to that
17:36<o_cee>did my last patch make sense? the isValid stuff?
17:36<Chutt>haven't looked at it
17:36<o_cee>Chutt: allright.. i need to get a not so wide font.. maybe impact will do? it looked pretty nice actually
17:36<o_cee>ok
17:37<o_cee>let me know if you need a new patch now that mainserver.cpp was patched with another patch.. :)
17:38<kvandivo>and o_cee, keep in mind that themes are almost certainly the area of mythtv that the most creative freedom will be allowed in. you don't have to have 100% consensus from everyone here.
17:38<o_cee>heheh, true :)
17:39<thor_>cmorgan, anything that touches the GUI in Qt has to run in the main thread (with very few exceptions). Anything driven directly off the Qt event loop has to be in the main thread. The majority of Qt stuff (other than simple stuff like strings, base I/O and so on) is neither thread safe nor re-entrant.
17:39<thor_>see http://doc.trolltech.com/3.2/threads.html
17:39<o_cee>thor_: anna got her ipod today :)
17:39<cmorgan>thor_: so a screen update taking a while would hold off key input processing?
17:39<kvandivo>personally, i'm a 'blue' theme guy myself.. for purely technical reasons... any time anything changes in myth, that's the first theme to get updated, and its just easier for me that way
17:40<o_cee>its so sweeet
17:40<thor_>wow
17:40<o_cee>kvandivo: that's why i, of course, want this to be the new oficial theme ;)
17:40<thor_>swedish girlfriend .... showers .... iPod ....
17:40<o_cee>thor_: stop drewling
17:40<o_cee>remind me of Homer J. Simpson. hehhe
17:40<kvandivo>ahh.. well, in that case, completely ignore what i said about having lots of creative freedom in creating the theme, then. :)
17:41<o_cee>kvandivo: since i run CVS i'll probably keep it up to date
17:41<o_cee>hehehehhehe :P
17:41<kvandivo>apparently tiger wood's fiance is swedish..
17:41<o_cee>yeah
17:41<o_cee>Elin
17:41<thor_>cmorgan, it depends ....
17:41<kvandivo>why am i reminded of the ending scene of dumb and dumber?
17:42<o_cee>can't recall it..
17:42<o_cee>thor_: iTunes for Windows is like really bad :/
17:42<thor_>yup
17:42<o_cee>:/
17:42<thor_>but it does speak daap and rendezvous
17:43<o_cee>using musicmatch isntead
17:43<o_cee>will hopefully be good enough
17:43<o_cee>when you have it all together with the mfd ;)
17:44<thor_>oh yeah ...
17:44<cmorgan>thor_: i'm still not sure what the case is for myth. keyboard input appears to be completely dropped while the preview is fetching from the backend server, maybe is only an issue when running on two machines?
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17:45<thor_>it doesn't want you to hit a key until the video's playing
17:45<thor_>you're welcome to try and change that
17:45<thor_>but it is quite complicated
17:45<cmorgan>thor_: myth doesn't want a key hit until the video starts playing?
17:46<thor_>essentially
17:46<cmorgan>thor_: care to elaborate further or point me in the direction of where the blocking is taking place?
17:47<thor_>just look at the code ... it's right there
17:52<cmorgan>thor_: found it
17:52<cmorgan>thanks for the help
17:52<thor_>np
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18:04<billytwowilly>thor_: Is there anything for windows that will work like mfd?
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18:20<thor_>work like ?
18:20<billytwowilly>thor_: I mean client type thing to easily share media with the mythtv box.
18:21<thor_>iTunes
18:21<thor_>and, I suspect, lots more stuff before long
18:21<billytwowilly>that'll share .avi, mp3, ogg, etc?
18:22<thor_>mp3, ac4, etc.
18:22<thor_>not video
18:22<billytwowilly>That's too bad...
18:22<thor_>although my try and figure out how to work with the VideoLAN stuff, which has a windows server/client
18:22<thor_>may
18:22<billytwowilly>mfd shares video though right?
18:23<thor_>wrong verb tense
18:23<billytwowilly>heh, will share?
18:23<thor_>yup
18:25<billytwowilly>that would mean it doesn't yet, but it will?
18:25<thor_>correct
18:25<thor_>if somewhat hypothetical
18:26<billytwowilly>I hope you can get it to.. It kind of loses a lot of its usefulness if it can't share all types of media.
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18:37<o_cee>choenig: any info on how to setup your wakeup stuff? only see modified files, no new? (haven't updated yet in case it's very obvious;)
18:38<choenig>o_cee: there is a little readme in the archives about it for now, but I'll write some real docs on how to use it soon
18:39<choenig>its not that obious, no :-)
18:40<o_cee>okay :) guess i'll wait
18:40<o_cee>who is rkulagow?
18:41<choenig>the guy maintaining the docs?!
18:41<o_cee>yeah, that's right
18:42<o_cee>just going to ask him about the statuspage in mythfrontend
18:42<o_cee>probably needs the same fix i made for 6544
18:42<o_cee>not probably, it will need the same fix
18:43<o_cee>anyone who could try how that status page reacts when 'program' is empty?
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20:14<o_cee>what's goin on?
20:18<o_cee>going to bed soon, did you look at the patch yet Chutt?
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20:41<cmorgan>arrg.... i've got pink stripes through my recordings...
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20:43<o_cee>dones't sound good
20:44<cmorgan>its odd looking
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21:38<robbie>is 73Mb large for a mythtv database ?
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22:23<synthmeme>Greetings.
22:23<StuartL>R
22:24<synthmeme>I've got a new mythtv box I'm setting up and seem to be running in circles getting the frame buffer driver for ivtv to work reliably with my PVR-350
22:26<synthmeme>I've got video straight to /dev/video16 working reliably (dd of=/dev/video16...), and can bring up the Mythtv UI on the PVR-350 framebuffer device without issue - assuming I don't load my other video card's driver under X.
22:26<synthmeme>Video will play under Live TV, until I bring up the OSD.
22:27<synthmeme>Then, I get anywhere between 3 and 30 seconds of video before the video locks up and mythtv needs to be killed separately.
22:27<synthmeme>Once that happens, I need to reboot the system to get the framebuffer device to work again reliably.
22:27<Chutt>talk to the ivtv people.
22:27<StuartL>I know other ppl have had trouble with the OSD, have you tried the forums?
22:27* StuartL nods, the ivtv forums would be a good place to start :)
22:28<StuartL>There's #ivtv-dev on here too.
22:28<StuartL>Though it's pretty dead atm.
22:28<synthmeme>ahh!
22:28<synthmeme>hrm
22:28<synthmeme>yeah, read lots and lots of posts
22:28<synthmeme>both in mythtv-dev and the ivtv list
22:28<cmorgan>a new version of the ivtv driver should be out in a couple of weeks i would imagine
22:29<synthmeme>just in time for .13...
22:29<synthmeme>any of you successfully using a PVR-350?
22:30<cmorgan>i am
22:30<cmorgan>but not with fb yet
22:31<synthmeme>can it be run w/ mythtv w/out framebuffer support?
22:31<cmorgan>course
22:31<synthmeme>hmmm
22:32<cmorgan>you end up playing the mpeg through another video card
22:32<synthmeme>ahh, yeah
22:32<StuartL>Ah, I wanna use my PVR framebuffer because the TV-out is better quality than the EPIA-M TV-Out.
22:32<synthmeme>wouldn't you know it- - my radeon's tv-out isn;t supported, either ;)
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23:08<WkdLester>Anyone here know if it is possible to run mythbackend on a machine that doesn't have KDE?
23:09<dopez>you dont even need X running for the backend
23:09<WkdLester>ok great, that's what I thought but I just wanted to confirm it
23:11<nulltank>i just tried installing the 0.12 version via the gentoo ebuilds and i get errors with mythmusic, mythvideo, and mythgame; can anyone help me with that?
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23:20<WkdLester>nulltank: maybe if you are more specific about the errors someone might be able to help you
23:22<nulltank>WkdLester: well, i can go into that, but i'm pretty sure they will compile fine if i do it manually; i only had this problem with v0.11 when i tried the ebuilds and now i'm having the same problem...
23:22<nulltank>so i'm thinking that only someone familiar with gentoo will be able to help
23:25<nulltank>i basically get syntax errors in videobrowser.cpp and main.cpp
23:25<nulltank>i'll take a look at the ebuild and see if it's doing some weird patching or something
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23:32<topgun98>hi all
23:32<topgun98>building my first mythtv box tonight
23:35<DogBoy>fun
23:35<topgun98>what backend(s) does mythgame use?
23:36<DogBoy>mame?
23:38<billytwowilly>topgun98: If you browse the source and check out mythgame's readme there a list. I know xmame, and I think there's a snes and nes one supported as well.
23:39<topgun98>I read the README, maybe I missed it, but I didn't see it in there
23:40<topgun98>I'll have to look again
23:40<billytwowilly>I thought it was the readme.. directly in cvs though, not the documentation on the webpage.
23:40<billytwowilly>I could just be crazy;)
23:41<robbie>mmm, channel changing seems faster lately
23:42<kvandivo>it's because everyone has been talking about it. that just makes it faster
23:42<dopez>robbie: i noticed the same, i updated cvs since 2-3 weeks orso
23:43<robbie>dopez: alsa havent had a tinny recording for a few days
23:43<robbie>infact myth+pvr card are runing their best ever
23:43* robbie touches wood
23:44<dopez>ive had that a few times already, i thought updating everything might help (kernel/mythtv/ivtv) but no luck, runnin latest of everything now
23:45<robbie>well im only recording bout 3 shows a day so it might be fluke
23:45<dopez>maybe even move back to my via KT133 just to test :)
23:45<robbie>hehe
23:45<dopez>i only get it after a day or so, with 10-20+ recordings
23:46<ChaosExiguum>ugh, I get it almost all the time, like 1 or 2 shows a week come out okay
23:49<topgun98>I should be able to use wifi and samba to access the recorded video from other computers, right? or are the recorded files in a format that is unknown to mplayer/totem?
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23:51<robbie>why dont you set it up
23:51<dopez>once i start getting the tinny audio, i also get about 2-3 of 10 recordings with good sound
23:52<billytwowilly>topgun98: Probably too much data to stream on 802.11b
23:53<topgun98>that's *alot* of data.
23:53<dopez>isnt 802.11b 'only' 11mbit max?
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23:54<billytwowilly>I've heard 802.11G will work, but it's still better to use an actual cable.
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