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---Logopened Wed Jan 14 00:00:22 2004
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00:01<ehate>hey all, anyone know how I can not have a core pointer in my XF86Config?
00:01<ehate>in other words run myth w/out a mouse
00:02<meth>core pointer?
00:02<Chutt>tell x that it's ok not to have a mouse defined?
00:02<Chutt>what exactly does that have to do with mythtv?
00:03<ehate>chutt, myth runs on x, i would assume many ppl have mythboxes w/out mice, :. someone might have run into this
00:04<Chutt>ask on the mythtv-users list.
00:04<Chutt>this isn't #help-me-configure-xfree86
00:04<ehate>jesus...
00:07<ehate>if you gusy are only going to tolerate dev chatter you should start mythtv-dev
00:08<pmowry>It's not enough for myth to hide the pointer? Mine is plugged in under the cabinet just in case myth loses focus, or I want to stop the frontend and do someting else.
00:08<ehate>pmowry....better not talk about that here
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00:11<Chutt>there
00:11<Chutt>nice little legend popup for the watch recordings icons
00:12<pahli_bar>popup with a key?
00:12<Chutt>yeah
00:13<pahli_bar>info?
00:13<Chutt>i need to decide if i want a global help key
00:13<Chutt>just made it '1' for now
00:24<o_c>F1? commonly used for help things ain't it?
00:24<Chutt>right, but i don't know if i want to go through everything and make up help screens
00:24<Chutt>so where's this gant update? =)
00:24*pahli_bar has no more keys left on his remote
00:25<o_c>blerh :) i'm working this week.. studys continue next week, so i'll have more time then
00:25<Chutt>pahli_bar, i don't either
00:26<o_c>plus i have a website to make.. but i'll try to get something together like next week :)
00:28<Chutt>cool.
00:29<newtroot>o_c: you made the gant skin?
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00:32<fulbert>is the theme system such that if I wanted to make a 16:9 layout, I could make the text areas wider?
00:34<ShockValue>hrm.. im torn. i have a video card with a DVI output.. Im getting a new TV soon with DVI in... now, the debate is weather or not to get a PVR250 and use the videocard with DVI as output, or a PVR350 for ourput via SVideo
00:34<o_c>newtroot: yes
00:34<fulbert>I'd suggest the dvi if you know your tv can sync to it.
00:35<ShockValue>yeah, im not fond of using svideo output when there are better alternatives
00:35<fulbert>I moved from the svideo out on the nvidia to a dvi and it's a better.
00:35<newtroot>o_c: it's a great theme. thanks. it's the one i am using.
00:36<fulbert>be aware that many sets lock modes (like lock into 16:9) when you use the dvi or vga ports.
00:36<fulbert>you may loose aspect control with a move to dvi is the point.
00:36<ShockValue>hrm
00:36<ShockValue>ill have to verify
00:36<thor_>... hmmm start a dev channel ... there's a bright idea
00:37<o_c>newtroot: thanks :)
00:37<o_c>hi thor
00:37<fulbert>you also have the option of using a VGA to component converter
00:37<o_c>bye thor
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00:37<tmk>chutt: released 0.1.9
00:38<o_cee\work>great news, guess i'll have to try the 350 again :)
00:38<tmk>:)
00:38<tmk>wait till david's patches go into mythtv
00:38<o_cee\work>yeah
00:38<tmk>should make things much nicer
00:38<o_cee\work>:)
00:38<o_cee\work>later all
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00:54<pahli_bar>time to go to sleep. good nite all
00:54<thor_>dream in 3 dimensions
00:55<pahli_bar>heh
00:55<pahli_bar>that will be nightmare
00:55<thor_>an WorldView matrix inversions ....
00:56<Chutt>tmk, great, thanks =)
00:59<Chutt>tmk, what was the eventual patch to the vsync stuff?
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01:06<DJ_Rican>how can i remove the lirc module safely? It wants to uninstall all of mythtv if i do... ?
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02:02<thor_>wooo hooo
02:02<thor_>Major improvements for PVR 350 output support.
02:02<DJ_Rican>:)
02:03<DJ_Rican>anyone know why my irw would give me a connection refused?
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02:03<HenkPoley>hi
02:03<HenkPoley>Does anybody here know about the TV-out on the Asus Pundit?
02:04<HenkPoley>I connected it yesterday to my TV and I could only get grayscale
02:04<HenkPoley>Setting PAL (yes I live in Europe) or NTSC in the bios didn't change anything
02:24<Chutt>tmk, david just checked his patch into CVS.
02:24<thor_>I really gotta get me one of those 350's :-)
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02:27<Chutt>they are quite nice
02:27<thor_>so I hear
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02:36<tmk>great thx chutt
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02:50<mythtv>hey
02:51<mythtv>I had a bad harddrive
02:51<mythtv>and I had to reinstall everything :P
02:51<mythtv>oops
02:51mythtvis now known as Ret0
02:51<Ret0>hehe
02:51<Ret0>but I had a problem apt-get installing mythtv
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02:53<Ret0>after the apt-get when it configures it, it has a bunch of errors
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02:54<Ret0>it says failed to connect to database: Access denied for user : root@localhost (using password: YES) at -e line 5, <> line 1
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03:11<h2odysee>what database is mc.sql supposed to be inserted into?
03:12<h2odysee>should I CREATE DATABASE mythtv; use mythtv; before I run mc.sql?
03:18<thor_>look at the first line of mc.sql
03:18<h2odysee>CREATE TABLE IF NOT EXISTS recordingprofiles
03:19<h2odysee>the error which i'm trying to fix is
03:19<h2odysee>Access denied for user: 'root@localhost'
03:19<h2odysee>not really sure what i'm doing..
03:19<thor_>that's not myth, that's your mysql setup
03:19<thor_>mysql -p -u root
03:21<h2odysee>my password should be blank, right?
03:21<thor_>I have no idea, depends how you set mysql
03:22<h2odysee>does mythtv want my root mysql password to be blank?
03:22<thor_>it doesn't care
03:23<h2odysee>any idea what the problem is then? i can access mysql through the console just fine, but mythtv can't seem to access it.
03:23<thor_>mysql -p -u root
03:23<thor_>?
03:23<thor_>no problems
03:23<thor_>?
03:23<h2odysee>nope. that works.
03:23<thor_>so why can't you do mysql -p -u root < mc.sql ?
03:24<h2odysee>ERROR 1046 at line 1: No Database Selected
03:24<h2odysee>what's the name of the database supposed to be? mythtv?
03:26<thor_>mythconverg, mc.sql creates that for you .... what mc.sql are you looking at ?
03:26<h2odysee>/usr/share/mythtv/sql/mc.sql
03:27<h2odysee>my problem arose because i installed mythtv before i installed mysql i think.
03:28<thor_>what version of myth ?
03:28<thor_>... ah ... this is like a debian package or something .... 0.11 or so ?
03:28<h2odysee>yes. debian package. i'm not sure of the version.
03:29<h2odysee>i guess i should get the newest version, and uninstall this one.
03:30<thor_>I dunno, know nothing about Debian, but it's probably not a bad idea
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05:49<Desiac>im trien to build mythtv from the debian packages, i keep gettin the dependency error, requires linux-kernel-headers so i installed kernel-headers.2.4.18 and i still get the error, im using 2.4.24 . wondering if anyone knows which version i should install
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06:17<FryGuy>you need the kernel-headers that correspond with the compiled version of your kernel
06:19<Desiac>using 2.4.24, most recent was 2.4.18
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06:30<nchip>Desiac: just apt-get build-dep mythtv to get all the build-depencies installed
06:31<Desiac>yeah thats wat im trien to do ;) thats wats giving me the errors
06:31<Desiac>cause i went for .24 not .
06:31<nchip>woody,sid,sarge?
06:31<Desiac>18
06:31<Desiac>using woody
06:31<Desiac>trien to figure out howto backport it
06:32<nchip>well I think you are in trouble then
06:32<Desiac>:)
06:32<nchip>for starters you need a more modern qt-x11-free
06:32<Desiac>so u'd suggest going sid?
06:32<Desiac>its pretty stable isin't
06:33<nchip>I think you can just ignore the linux-kernel-headers if you remove the dvb lines from settings.pro
06:33<nchip>and ofcourse delete linux-kernel-headers from debian/control
06:33<nchip>you can probably find a good enough qt package from woody kde backports
06:34<Desiac>yeah running QT3
06:35<nchip>I use sid at home
06:35<nchip>and woody + backports at work
06:35<Desiac>its prolly worth just upgrading the system, pretty much a clean install
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06:50<tv_>did you guys install mythtv from source or some package?
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07:45<Return0>is there no mythtv-setup for version 0.13?
07:45<Return0>or.. was mythtv-setup just part of the debian package?
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08:50<krash314>Return0: mytvsetup
08:52<krash314>s/mytvsetup/mythtvsetup
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09:48<Return0>i found the setup program in the setup directory. i guess it's been renamed/moved.
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09:48<Return0>anyone have the error "problem reading theme preview image" when trying to run the frontend?
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10:06<bdunn13>WOOT - 48 hours till my mythtv hardware arrives.
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11:03<gerhard>hi there, is someone using tv_grab_se?
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11:06<pahli_bar>ahhh. the quiet in the morning...
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11:09<kvandivo>the calm before the storm...
11:10<gerhard>which storm?
11:13<kvandivo>halle berry
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12:22<cuban>Anyone know why my remote ends would get a "Remote file timeout." error only on my frontends when playing back recordings?
12:22<cuban>er
12:23<cuban>Does anyone know why my frontend would get a "Remote file timeout." message when playing back recordings. LiveTV works fine.
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13:03<Chutt>pahli_bar, did you mean to add a couple files in that last commit of yours?
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13:06<pahli_bar>anything missing?
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13:08<thor_>glsingleview.cpp
13:08<pahli_bar>oh crap
13:08*thor_ thinks pahli_bar may have misses a CVS add
13:08<Chutt>and the header =)
13:08<pahli_bar>hang on
13:09<pahli_bar>heh. always a good idea to checkout a fresh copy after big commits
13:09<Chutt>a cvs diff'll show any unknown files
13:10<pahli_bar>done
13:10<pahli_bar>thnx guys
13:10<thor_>ah, that's better
13:13<pahli_bar>Chutt: you get a notification as soon as somebody commits?
13:14<Chutt>the commits list
13:14<pahli_bar>ah. i thought it was a once a day phenomenon
13:14<thor_>/usr/local/lib/mythtv/plugins/libmythgallery.so: undefined symbol: _ZTV12GLSingleView
13:14<thor_>wonder what I've done wrong
13:15<Chutt>you have it on digest mode?
13:15<pahli_bar>Chutt: duh. yes
13:16*pahli_bar fills stupid today
13:16<pahli_bar>heh s/fills/feels
13:16<pahli_bar>now i feel really-really stupid
13:16<thor_>I think this may be another one of those --export-symbols thingies ... checking
13:17<pahli_bar>thor_: maybe a simple make distclean, make install might help
13:18<Chutt>thor, rerun configure?
13:18<thor_>yup
13:18<thor_>that's all it was
13:19<pahli_bar>one caveat with the opengl singleview is that text rendering doesn't work (so no INFO or zoom text)
13:19<pahli_bar>qt opengl and my nvidia setup causes a segfault
13:20<pahli_bar>the only other option brings in X11 dependency
13:26<thor_>leaves an empty directory if there's nothing to import (i.e. cd not mounted)
13:26<thor_>still need a little "hit M for menu" or something
13:26<pahli_bar>thor_: i haven't touched the import code. need to work on it.
13:27<pahli_bar>thor_: will add that (Hit MENU for menu)
13:28<pahli_bar>btw, do we use action names or the default key in the text
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13:28<pahli_bar>like Hit MENU for menu or hit M for menu
13:28<thor_>heh, not sure
13:28<Chutt>i'd say 'menu'
13:29<Chutt>or, 'Hit MENU ('m') for the menu'
13:29<pahli_bar>that sounds good.
13:30<pahli_bar>looking at some opengl tutorials. looks like freetype can be used to build fonts. myth has freetype dependency, right?
13:31<thor_>libttf Freetype 2
13:31<thor_>the opengl stuff is really cool
13:31<thor_>(even on my crappy dev box that is slow as hell)
13:31<pahli_bar>heh. the wonders of opengl
13:32<pahli_bar>i'm sure someone with good opengl skills can improve it a lot.
13:32o_cee\workis now known as o_cee
13:32<pahli_bar>i just started learning it on friday
13:33<thor_>heh
13:33<Chutt>looks great to me
13:34<pahli_bar>just a few more changes in the thumbnailing routine and it will be ready for testing
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13:37<thor_>key presses during the slide show seem a bit wonky (may just be my really slow video card)
13:38<pahli_bar>thor_: loading and generating textures in opengl is fairly slow
13:38<pahli_bar>compared to qt image -> pixmap
13:38<thor_>yup
13:39<pahli_bar>apart from that, rotation and zoom should be instaneous
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13:44<Chutt>i converted ThemedMenu into a ThemedMenu / ThemedMenuPrivate last night
13:44<Chutt>trying to decide if i want to go that way or not, though
13:44<pahli_bar>like a d pointer?
13:45<thor_>don't think I understand what that means ?
13:45<Chutt>check out mythmainwindow
13:45<thor_>k
13:45<Chutt>all the private stuff's in a separate class in the source, not in the header
13:45<thor_>ahh
13:46<Chutt>so the size of the main class doesn't change if things are added to the private class
13:46<pahli_bar>yeah. a d pointer. some people call it a cheshire cat pointer
13:46<Chutt>lets you keep binary compatability without too much work
13:46<thor_>ahhhhhhhhh ......
13:46<Chutt>but, messes up the code :p
13:46<pahli_bar>i like it. makes compilation faster also
13:46<pahli_bar>not having to include all those headers
13:47<Chutt>yeah, it does help
13:47<pahli_bar>qt uses it a lot.
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13:48<thor_>well, not really in a position to judge, but I'd be happy to do less distclean's
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15:07<o_cee>pahli_bar: haven't had time to look at your new opengl transitions, but i had an idea while watching tv.. a really cool effect that does something like fade to white while fading the image and fading back to normal before turning entirely white, and there was some blur going on as well.. three effects at the same time i think
15:07<o_cee>looked really sweet
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15:07<o_cee\afk>bbl
15:10<pahli_bar>o_cee\afk: that should be feasible. i can easily mix blend and fade with color additions too
15:10<pahli_bar>o_cee\afk: though i would need a bit more details on this effect you are talking about
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15:47<o_cee\afk>pahli_bar: well.. try just putting three effects at the same time: 1) fade to white (0%->50%->0%) 2) blur (0%->no idea..->0%) 3) image transition, normal fade.. uhm, i saw the effect when watching.. uhm, well, it wasn't really me.. hhehe. Bacholerette :)
15:48<o_cee\afk>away again
15:51<thor_>ooohhh, he's a _senior_ software architect
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15:51<rkulagow>well, that's why he'll work on stuff that doesn't work right now, like 90% of his wish list.
15:52<thor_>looking forward to those patches
15:53<rkulagow>since my wife doesn't want to get me grand theft auto/vice city combo for x-box for my birthday, maybe she'll buy be a MVP instead.
15:59<pahli_bar>o_cee\afk: will try that.
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16:12<Netslayer>this is odd
16:13<Netslayer>on my remote backend/frontend i can watch recordings stores on the master backend perfect, but when i try to watch a recording in progress on the master backend, which is stored in the same dir, it is choppy
16:13<hadees>what is the best version of the nvidia driver to use with mythtv?
16:13<Netslayer>2nd latest one i think
16:13<Netslayer>4363 or something
16:14<pahli_bar>3rd latest one
16:14<Netslayer>prob
16:15<Chutt>there, mythcontext converted over as well
16:15<pahli_bar>d pointers?
16:15<Chutt>yup
16:17<Netslayer>odd watching a prerecorded program streams ~550KB/s to the remote frontend, but watching a program being recorded streams ~650-700. Strange
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16:19<Netslayer>i just stopped the recording, and now it plays fine..wtf
16:20<thor_>you could have just asked the Sr. software engineer to do it
16:22<Netslayer>i lowered the profile and now it's at 1MB/s :-/
16:23<Netslayer>should have stuck a wire to the box..not to mention i'm on a wireless laptop now heh
16:25<Netslayer>so my understanding is that there is a lot of overhead bandwidth added to programs still being recorded
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16:27*Netslayer chuckles at the soaps on tv now
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16:37<Netslayer>hmm u guys ever have that problem when watching a recording in progress that it will just exit as if it was finished, but it isnt
16:39<Netslayer>prob the latency in the connection
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17:14<HenkPoley>Quick question, (me in Europe) is it possible to enter MHz freq. for the channels for MythTV?
17:15<HenkPoley>aka, do I really need to convert my MHz table by hand to the "europe-west" table? (which would mean tweak values of -100 or so)
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17:33<kvandivo>regarding those major improvements for the pvr350 stuff wrt ivtv 0.1.9 etc etc.. let's hypothesize that i don't have a 350.. does gigem's version checking stuff only exist in the fb code, or am i going to have to upgrade ivtv regardless?
17:33<Chutt>only really matters to the output code
17:33<kvandivo>excellent
17:33<Chutt>but, newer driver is more stable
17:34<Chutt>so, ymmv :p
17:34<kvandivo>ya.. i know i need to do it eventually.. but i can upgrade to mythcvs very easily.. ivtv requires a bit more work.. so, i didn't know if i should hold off on myth until i had time to deal with ivtv at the same time..
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17:59<Netslayer>can someone quickly explain what the masterbackend override setting in the setup does? i have a slavebackend, does that mean i should set it to record to a local folder and it will move the recordings to the masterbackends dir after they are finished recording?
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18:26<rkulagow>netslayer: the masterbackend override is used when you have a central NFS store for your recordings. normally, the backend that made a recording is the one that would stream it to the frontend. however, if you have backends that come and go, this would be a problem. with the MBO, the master backend will stream if the remote backend isn't available.
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18:37<tmk>how's the new myth cvs + ivtv 0.1.9 stuff working?
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18:40<Chutt>i haven't updated my pvr-350 machine yet
18:40<thor_>i don't have a pvr-350 :-(
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18:47<tmk>but no complaints aside from the guy who didn't update his ivtv?
18:49<Netslayer>rkulagow, cool
18:50<Netslayer>i have it setup now..so after it's done recording on the slave backend to it's local dir it should stream it to the master backend's dir right
18:54<Chutt>tmk, right
18:54<Chutt>netslayer, err, no.
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19:04<mchou>I'm very confused about multiple tuner scheduling logic in myth.... does it now always try to record programs on one tuner (doesn't seem to assign recordings to the second tuner), almost always "overrides"
19:06<mchou>Is that the correct behavior even if the program record setting is "channelrecord?"
19:06<tmk>i think it just goes in order
19:06<tmk>ie if the first one is busy, go to #2
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19:07<mchou>tmk, no, I doesn't seem to do that on mine......
19:07<mchou>oops, it*
19:07<tmk>well i don't really know anything :)
19:08<mchou>tmk, dont you hack that part of the code? :)
19:08<tmk>no i wrote ivtv
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19:08<mchou>hey, ok. maybe u can help me out with q on pvr350 then
19:09<tmk>heh
19:09<tmk>that's what #ivtv-dev is for
19:10<mchou>yeah, but I'm here already :). can you use apps like xine to play dvd to the tvout?
19:10<tmk>i wrote a hack for mplayer to do so
19:10<tmk>but it's just a hack
19:10<tmk>as soon as i get yuv output support written
19:11<tmk>a'rpi will write a proper -vo module
19:11<tmk>for mplayer
19:11<mchou>ok but thereticall I can go w/o vga card in system w pvr350?
19:11<mchou>theoretically*
19:11<tmk>yeah
19:11<mchou>X, dvd on tvout....
19:11<tmk>the framebuffer works as a x display
19:11<tmk>and i've played dvd (hw decoded no less ;) on it
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19:12<mchou>heh, that was my next q....:)
19:12<tmk>it'll take prety much any mpg2 or mpg1
19:12<tmk>and decode it
19:12<mchou>now that's pretty cool.....
19:12<tmk>:)
19:12<tmk>the tv-out is great too
19:12<tmk>pixel-perfect
19:13<mchou>yeah, chutt told me that.
19:13<mchou>any problems w/ over/underscan?
19:14<tmk>well, it outputs the whole 720x480
19:15<tmk>so it's up to you to set myth's resolution
19:15<tmk>it'll hang off the screen if you leave it fullscreen
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19:15<tmk>it also records the whole 720x480, so the image on the tv is same as broadcast pretty much
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19:16<mchou>heh, that's good to know.....
19:17<mchou>so what's the reason vbidecode (cc) doesn't work? just haven't got around to it yet, other?
19:17<Netslayer>Chutt, so it just leaves the recordings localy on the slave backend? I just recorded two programs. The masterbackend took the first, the slavebackend took the second and the slave had it's local dir. Now I see two programs in the watch recordings but only the local recording is available to the master backend
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19:19<mchou>tmk, so what's the reason vbidecode (cc) doesn't work? just haven't got around to it yet, or some other reason?
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19:20<tmk>i don't use/need it
19:20<tmk>someone's gotten it to work in the last week
19:20<tmk>he's going to send a patch
19:20<mchou>cool....
19:21<Netslayer>i guess i can just make a script to move the videos over every night
19:22<mchou>Netslayer: if you have read perms on dir all BE should be able to play remote files.....
19:22<mchou>and frontends too....
19:23<Netslayer>i'm pretty sure i do
19:23<mchou>as long as backends are up.
19:23<Netslayer>masterbackend has a path /mnt/raid/video, and the slavebackend has a local path /home/chris/video, and has the other one NFS'd
19:23<mchou>no, I think you must be doing s/t "wrong"
19:23<Netslayer>I have master backend override on
19:24<mchou>what is MBE override?
19:24<Netslayer>before I had both set to /mnt/raid/video but the slavebackend is on 54G
19:24<Netslayer>"netslayer: the masterbackend override is used when you have a central NFS store for your recordings. normally, the backend that made a recording is the one that would stream it to the frontend. however, if you have backends that come and go, this would be a problem. with the MBO, the master backend will stream if the remote backend isn't available."
19:24<Netslayer>this is exactly my setup
19:25<mchou>well, I dont have that setup :)
19:25<Netslayer>since the slavebackend is on 54G it looks like having it record to the NFS and playback that live is too much
19:25<mchou>and I have no problems :)
19:25<Netslayer>which is odd cause I can record and playback a recording that has finished recording, there is added overhead when watching something that isn't finished yet
19:26<mchou>no, u should be able to do that unless u're usine wireless.
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19:26<mchou>using*
19:26<Netslayer>do what?
19:26<tmk>pvr streams are 8mbit for example
19:26<Netslayer>oh ya i know
19:26<Netslayer>i'm doing mpeg4 @ 4MB/s
19:26<ShockValue>anyone successfully gotten LIRC to work with 2.6?
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19:26<ShockValue>kernel
19:27<mchou>4 MB/sec is on hairy edge w/802.11b. you lucky if you can play that.....
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19:27<Netslayer>i'm using 54G, playback is fine, but recording -> masterbackend and playing back the same file live <- is 2x the bandwidth
19:28<Netslayer>but i'm saying it works perfectly if the file is finished recording..it's odd
19:28<ChaosExiguum>Netslayer, maybe your hd is too slow?
19:28<Netslayer>wait it's 4mbps ~ 500KB/s
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19:28<mchou>nfs locking? who knows? :)
19:28<Netslayer>nah
19:29<Netslayer>ok here is what happens
19:29<Chutt>bitch bitch bitch
19:29<Chutt>whine whine whine
19:29<Chutt>moan moan moan
19:29<ChaosExiguum>heh
19:30<Netslayer>slavebackend is recording a show -> NFS -> masterbackend, while the slavebackend's frontend is watching a prerecorded show <- NFS <- masterbackend. This works fine :-)
19:30<Netslayer>i know, it's cause i love mythtv
19:30<Chutt>it's not the bandwidth, it's the latency.
19:30<Chutt>using wireless for this is really dumb.
19:30<Netslayer>prob right :-)
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19:31<Netslayer>but isn't it odd that the above works, but doing the same thing with a recording that is still recording gets choppy
19:31<thor_>but c'mon, walking around the house with TV streaming on your laptop, I mean, how cool is that ?
19:31<Netslayer>ya that impresses people
19:31<Chutt>netslayer, i look forward to your patches.
19:31<mchou>hehe...
19:32<mchou>good luck solving that :)
19:32<Netslayer>:-)
19:32<tmk>Netslayer: just put 2 interfaces on your myth box
19:32<tmk>one for the backend
19:32<Netslayer>interfaces?
19:32<tmk>and one for the wireless
19:32<mchou>myself, I like working on tractable problems, u know?
19:32<tmk>nics
19:33<Netslayer>well it generaly works perfectly except for that one time.. that's why i don't see a point in connecting a cat5 to it
19:33<tmk>or 2 wireless cards :)
19:33<Netslayer>u would also need 2 AP's
19:33<tmk>a wireless card can be an ap
19:33<tmk>in linux
19:33<tmk>i believe
19:33<Netslayer>yup
19:34<mchou>tmk, ur correct.
19:34<Netslayer>still kind of lost as to what the masterbackend override does..
19:35<Netslayer>is the goal to store files seperatly on each backend, and have both backends stream out to the frontends without moving the files
19:35<Chutt>rkulagow explained it to you
19:38<Netslayer>yup, just that "the master backend will stream if the remote backend isn't available." if we are talking about recordings doesn't that sound like it has a copy of the episode?
19:39<tmk>for NFS (aka shared) video stores
19:39<Chutt>i don't know how to explain it any clearer than that.
19:39<Netslayer>my setup is using NFS on the slave backend
19:39<Chutt>the master will stream the file to the frontend if it can, if that option is set.
19:39<Chutt>it's really fucking simple.
19:40<Netslayer>oh i think i know what u mean
19:40<Chutt>learn how to speak english.
19:40<Netslayer>ya should get out more heh
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19:48<tmk>i expect it to finish by the time i get home from work
19:48<tmk>... tomorrow
19:49<mchou>uh, shouldn't take that long unless u using 386 :)
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19:55<blitzoid>I'm trying to compile mythtv, I followed the guide, and when I do a 'make' on mythtv itself, it fails with a bunch of 'already defined' and 'syntax error' messages when it gets to mythdialogs.h
19:55<blitzoid>Anyone know of a fix for this problem?
20:01<Netslayer>have u tried searching the list for your specific errors
20:02<Netslayer>chances are it will show up there
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21:01<Return0>heya
21:03<Return0>I usually use packages to install mythtv but they were sort of out dated so I decided to compile it, but when I try to run it I get 'Problem reading theme preview image'
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21:06<Return0>...
21:06<Return0>no ideas?
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21:10<dwmurphy>hey all. quick Q: I'm able to use nuvexport to transcode to SVCDs, but when i try to go to WMVs, ffmpeg seg faults. this is on debian unstable. any ideas?
21:10<Return0>I am having seg faults too
21:10<Return0>dwmurphy did you compile mythtv?
21:11<Return0>I get Problem reading theme preview image
21:11<Return0>seg fault right when I try to start up the frontend
21:11<Chutt>you're mixing packaged and compiled versions.
21:11<Chutt>don't.
21:11<dwmurphy>no.. i'm using the mythtv 0.13 debs. everythign else works.
21:12<Chutt>dwmurphy, i don't think ffmpeg segfaulting has anything to do with mythtv, right?
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21:12<Return0>what do you mean compiled and packaged versions of what?
21:12<Chutt>of mythtv.
21:13<Return0>So... I shouldn't compile mythtv?
21:13<Chutt>not unless you know what you're doing, no.
21:13<Chutt>that's why there's packages.
21:13<Return0>I started with packages using woody
21:14<Chutt>there's 0.13 debs for unstable.
21:14<Return0>but my harddrive failed and I thought I'd try testing instead
21:14<Return0>and the deb package for mythtv is a bit out of date isn't it?
21:14<Chutt>um
21:14<Chutt>0.13 is the latest released version.
21:15<Return0>one sec... now I'm confused :P
21:15<Chutt>there are debs of 0.13
21:15<Chutt>0.13 is the latest version of mythtv
21:15<Chutt>how the fuck is that confusing?
21:15<Return0>lol
21:16<Return0>my roomate has been working on this with me and I believed him when he said the version from the apt-cache was older than the source version
21:16<Return0>I didn't check into it
21:16<dwmurphy>Chutt: no, i don't think so.. but i figured someone else using it the same way might have seen this
21:17<Chutt>dwmurphy, i believe the nuvexport author hasn't touched the wmv output
21:17<Chutt>so, it wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't working at all
21:17<Return0>how can I check the version of the mythtv package w/ apt-cache search?
21:18<dwmurphy>Chutt: ok.. the divx one dies too :(
21:18<dwmurphy>i'll bother the #ffmpeg guys :)
21:19<Chutt>naw
21:19<Chutt>it's a nuvexport problem
21:19<dwmurphy>so i'm stuf with SVCD?
21:19<dwmurphy>er.. stuck?
21:19<dwmurphy>if i use nuvexport?
21:21<Chutt>search the mythtv-users archive
21:21<Chutt>i'm sure it's been discussed in detail there.
21:22<dwmurphy>ok. ty
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21:25<SuperID>My program guide displays two lines for every channel. Is there a way to reset this easily? I tried mythfilldatabase.
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21:25<Chutt>you have two program sources?
21:26*Return0 smacks his roomate
21:26<Return0>my roomate likes to dirty up debian w/ source
21:26<Return0>it frustrates me and he convinces me there is no better way
21:27<thor_>I am reminded of an urban legend involving ether
21:27<Return0>we went to unstable so we could get newer version, and then he sets up the mythtv apt-source with woody sources and goes look it's the old version we need to get the source
21:27<Return0>sigh
21:27<Return0>I think I'm gonna reinstall so I have a bunch of crap on here
21:27<SuperID>chutt: no
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21:28<Return0>is there a web page tutorial for setting things up that's recent for unstable debian
21:28<Chutt>pahli_bar, hey, are you intending to zoom in on the thumbnails in mythgallery?
21:28<Return0>?
21:29<Return0>for mythtv I mean
21:30<SuperID>I think my problem is with my xmltv config file its in ~/.mythtv/basic_cable.xmltv and I removed about 200 channels. two days ago when I updated it correctly only updated 50 channels, today for some reason it updated 250, even though the file has not changed
21:31<thor_>you read the little text at the top of the file, correct ?
21:31<Chutt>and disabled the channels properly, not removed them?
21:32<SuperID>I did , I added "not "
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21:39<SuperID>does the table mythconverg.program contain the data retrieved by xmltv? maybe I can just empty that table and rerun mythfilldata
21:40*SuperID goes to look at source
21:40<Chutt>it does
21:40<Chutt>there's a couple other tables along with it, though
21:41<Chutt>you'd want to clear out channel, program, credits, and programrating
21:41<Netslayer>when program listing run out for a channel does that channel get deleted from the guide?
21:41<Chutt>nope
21:41<Netslayer>i set 'not' in my .xmltv file, so i have to do it manually
21:41<SuperID>chutt: ok, thx
21:42<Return0>is there a doc I can go by for installing and setting up mythtv on debian testing (sarge)
21:42<Chutt>return0, why don't you keep asking that over and over and over again?
21:42<Return0>it's the second time I've asked
21:42<newtroot>is the information on how to delete a channel listing accurate? i added 1000 to each number like the howto says when deleting it out of the sql database, but it appeared to be off by one channel each time.
21:42<Return0>and because no one answered me the first time.
21:43<Chutt>newtroot, it depends on how things got assigned.
21:43<Chutt>it's not always 1000
21:43<newtroot>ahhh. i think i see why. i just noticed xmltv has 2 channel 5's. that would explain why everything is off by one above that.
21:44<Chutt>yup
21:44<Netslayer>so what is the proper way of deleting a channel? is there a doc for that
21:44<Chutt>netslayer, there's a section in the docs for it.
21:44<newtroot>well, what's the best way to repopulate my database with the channels i accidently deleted?
21:44<Netslayer>k
21:44<Netslayer>mythfilldatabase should repop them
21:44<newtroot>just dump the database and do a fill?
21:44<Netslayer>unless u have that not in front i thnk
21:45<Chutt>the _easiest_ way is to say yes to the second question that the setup program asks
21:45<Chutt>and go reconfigure the video sources, and the input mappings again
21:45<newtroot>right. i tried that but i guess xml only retreives for days you dont have info for. so i have info on the deleted channels. starting like 1 week from now.
21:45<Chutt>it'll just reuse the existing .xmltv config file
21:46<Chutt>then just rerun mythfilldatabase
21:46<Chutt>or you can drop the tables manually
21:46<newtroot>i'll just drop the tables manually. i do some mysql work.
21:46<newtroot>thanks.
21:46<dwmurphy>Return0: i was pretty much able to load the debs as per the online docs. but this was in unstable, so ymmv
21:46<newtroot>oh, one other thing, i have heard speculation about myth having dma errors on via chipsets. any truth to that?
21:47<Chutt>the ivtv driver does a lot of dmas
21:47<SuperID>newtroot: I think it's not with mythtv but rather ivtv
21:47<Chutt>older via chipsets aren't too stable wrt that
21:47<SuperID>there is a lot of talk on the ivtv-devel list right now about it
21:47<Return0>dwmurphy, what's ymmv? :P
21:47<Chutt>most notably, the kt-133
21:48<newtroot>thanks.
21:48<thor_>BAH BAH (double bah) .... is there a reason all the mythcontext methods begin with an upper case character ?
21:48<SuperID>I have a kt133 the only problem I have is long stretches of livetv
21:48<DJ_Rican>hello ppl!!
21:49<Return0>hey dwmurphy, you seem to have a similiar setup as me, do you mind if I message you?
21:49<newtroot>superid: what card are you using?
21:49<SuperID>newtroot: WinTV-250
21:51<Chutt>thor, heh
21:51<Chutt>thor, see my recent changes?
21:51<thor_>yup
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21:52<DJ_Rican>anyone use the Packard Bell remote with mythtv?
21:53<thor_>does that really help? aren't most changes to the libs changes to the public interface or pure changes behind the interface ?
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21:53<SuperID>is there a mythtv "todo" list anywhere for those that might want to help?
21:53<SuperID>(not that I can, but I'd try)
21:53<thor_>see Chutt's brain
21:55<Chutt>thor, yeah, like
21:55<Chutt>i've got a commit pending that adds a pluginmanager object to the context
21:55<Chutt>no lib version change needed, since it's in the private class
21:56<Chutt>a couple functions don't change the library size =)
21:56<thor_>right, I got that (I think)
21:56<dwmurphy>Return0: sure. i have a fe wminutes
21:56<thor_>but how does, say, mythmusic get at your new pluginmanager ?
21:56<Chutt>it'd have to be recompiled if it wanted it
21:57<Chutt>but it doesn't _have_ to be for normal stuff, now
21:57<thor_>ahhhhhhhhhhh
21:57<thor_>small light bulb
21:57<thor_>right
21:57<thor_>ok
21:57<thor_>I'm with the program now
21:58<thor_>cool
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22:01<mchou>hey Chutt, selecting "channelrecord", it there any reason why a program would be overridden (by myth) when there's still an available tuner? I know "recordanytime" is supposed to do this, but I thought "channelrecord" was different?
22:02<mchou>just seem to recall different behavior in myth.12, that's all....
22:03<Chutt>don't think anything's changed wrt any of that
22:03<mchou>I'm very confused by the logic now. It seems that myth uses "tuner 1" as much as possible......
22:04<mchou>Chutt: so you're saying that's the intended behavior?
22:04<Chutt>of course it does
22:04<Chutt>what behavior?
22:04<thor_>Chutt, are you ok with line 493-497 of this http://cvs.mythtv.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/mfd/mfd/plugins/daapclient/daapinstance.cpp?content-type=text%2Fplain&rev=1.8
22:05<Chutt>what's line 493?
22:05<thor_>it's a suggestion that people complain to apple, with a phone number and a url
22:05<thor_>(in the log)
22:05<Chutt>heh
22:05<Chutt>whatever you want :p
22:05<thor_>k
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22:06<mchou>Chutt: myth wants to keep a tuner free at all times as much as possible (if you have multiple tuners)?
22:06<thor_>the flip side is the server spits out a puzzle that, if someone solves it, probably violates the DMCA
22:07<Chutt>it doesn't want to keep a tuner free at all
22:07<Chutt>it doesn't care about that
22:07<Chutt>thor, ah
22:07<thor_>example log line:
22:07<Chutt>i see the message
22:08<thor_>ok
22:08<Chutt>it's fine with me
22:08<thor_>ok
22:09<thor_>they do some silly security-by-obscurity md5 of the url
22:09<thor_>and you have to pass that as a request header
22:11<thor_>22:10:33: daap server plugin map the md5 checksum relationship between "GET /update?session-id=1957747793&revision-number=1 HTTP/1.1" and "591E69EFBA3B8D8DE4D77A9D5EA5D07D", win a prize
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22:11<Chutt>heh
22:11<thor_>that's what the daap server logs
22:12<thor_>but only once
22:12<mchou>Chutt: can I paste a 4-line example from "mythbackend --printsched" here, maybe you can figure out whats going on?
22:12<Chutt>mchou, i really don't want to spend time on that right now.
22:13<Chutt>i'm in the middle of working on something else
22:13<mchou>ok... some other time then.
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22:14<Chutt>document everything and ask on the -dev list
22:15<mchou>ok, will do.
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22:22<SuperID>this is odd. I emptied the 4 tables channel, credits, program, and programrating and reran mythfilldatabase. xmltv grabbed 7 days of data for the correct 34 stations and now it has started over agan for the incorrect list of 200+ channels :(
22:23<bline>thor, how's your mfd coming
22:23<thor_>aside from Apple being very stupid, it's moving along
22:23<bline>heh
22:24<thor_>just sorting out some settings/metadata stuff, then a bit of daapclient to finish, and then it's ... well ... it'll need a client
22:24<Chutt>superid, really sounds like you have two sources defined.
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22:25<SuperID>aha! yes, there is a ~/.mythtv/basic_cable.xmltv and a ~/.mythtv/.xmltv as well
22:25<SuperID>for some unknown reason....
22:26<SuperID>ok at least I know whats going on now :)
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22:36<SuperID>chutt: ok maybe I don't know whats going on.....where is the name of the xmltv config file stored? I can't find it in mythconverg or in /usr/share/mythtv anywhere
22:41<SuperID>must be done at mythtvsetup.....well can't fix that from ssh
22:44<Chutt>when you next run the setup program, just say yes to the second question it asks on the console
22:44<Chutt>then reconfigure the 3rd and 4th sections
22:44<SuperID>gotcha
22:44<sbh>If I have the tv-pvr350 do I still need a graphics card with tv-out?
22:45<thor_>define _need_
22:45<ChaosExiguum>I cant seem to access my sql server from the network, any recomendations? (alread did the faq stuff)
22:45<Chutt>most machines generally need a video card to boot.
22:45<sbh>I take it I can't run a cable out from the tv-pvr350 to the tv and see the mythtv video
22:45<Chutt>sbh, you can.
22:46<sbh>Any reason not to?
22:46<thor_>very good picture
22:46<thor_>(so they tell me)
22:46<SuperID>chaos: have you granted access to each remote host and/or user?
22:46<SuperID>"grant all on mythconverg.* to mythuser@'%' identified by 'somepassword';
22:47<ChaosExiguum>SuperID, erm.. let me try that out
22:48<ChaosExiguum>hmm, nope, it looks like the mysql server is not listening, or refusing connections outright
22:50<SuperID>chaos : check in the error log , try /var/lib/mysql/data/hostname.err
22:50<SuperID>or wherever your mysql is installed
22:50<SuperID>I'll wager it is permissions though
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22:50<SuperID>an easy test is to telnet to port 3306 on the server, you should get a connection, not connection refused
22:51<SuperID>to ensure the server is running
22:51<SuperID>oh and when I said mythuser@'%' I assumed that your username is actually mythuser :)
22:51*SuperID restates the obvious
22:51*ChaosExiguum figured that part out :)
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23:11<DJ_Rican>anyone use the Packard Bell media remote with mythtv?
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23:16<Shodan>are there extra post-processing I can enable on the frontend ? , I'm recording rather low quality (mpeg4 632kbit 1 to 9 quantitizer) edge are well enough defined but plane of same color like the sky and walls are quite blocky , is there something I can enable to make this better ? like extra de-blocking etc..
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23:28<Shodan>mm guess not ... mm for less than 500mb per hour , I'll live with it
23:33<DJ_Rican>ack!! i keep getting a connection refused when running irw... i know someone here has had this problem before... :0
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23:52<bobnvic>i'm compiling ivtv 0.1.9 following the mythtv docs. the make ioctl_test produces a lot of warnings, is this normal?
23:53<bobnvic>the mention the i2c warnings, but the warnings don't mention i2c anywhere in them.
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