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---Logopened Mon Jan 19 00:00:43 2004
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00:09<kja>Feature call: mythtv communication version
00:18<hadees>like video phone?
00:19<kja>hadees: no, to limit backend/frontend communication incompatability problems
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00:22<kja>cnn: wifi supports up to 11 megabytes/s
00:24<kja>ahh, soon turning 7am, better get some sleep
00:24<ChaosExiguum>kja, as in a version number for the protacol?
00:25<kja>ChaosExiguum: yea
00:25<ChaosExiguum>that makes sense... sleep well
00:26<kja>thanks!
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00:27<kja>Chutt: /me needs to read some iso c++ docs =)
00:28<hadees>does anyone know of a proto like front end for a palm pilot to control a linux box?
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00:28<kja>hades: does not exist, because the backend does not support virtual control (or whatever you call it)
00:29<kja>or frontend for that matter
00:29<hadees>it could do keyboard emulation
00:30<kja>sorry, to late, didn't read, just typed....thought you where aiming for mythtv controll
00:30<kja>via lirc must have some
00:30<hadees>no you could control mythtv the same lirc does
00:31<hadees>there is one for windows...
00:31<kja>there's no ssh/shell support?
00:32<kja>oh no, forget it, the palm is to slow ;)
00:32<hadees>well it actully windows ce
00:32<hadees>its really cool
00:32<hadees>talks over wireless internet
00:33<kja>waii, get qtopia
00:33<hadees>no need for a IR reciver and nothing gets dropped
00:33<kja>norwegian brand, all made by real vikings ;)
00:33<hadees>?
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00:33<kja>www.trolltech.com
00:34<hadees>nice
00:34<kja>and www.handhelds.org
00:35<thor_>vikings?
00:35<kja>but a nice app that fits your needs is included
00:35<kja>yea, like thor, the god
00:35<hadees>could it control mythtv?
00:35<kja>it's unix, it can do everything
00:36<hadees>i want someone to check out netremote.org i think it would be a good add on, however i don't think i am smart enough to write it
00:36<hadees>or at least write it alone
00:36<hadees>can that trolltech thing act like a remote?
00:37<kja>trolltech have written the underlying os, others write the programs, just as the real world
00:39<hadees>intresting, is it free?
00:39<kja>yup
00:40<hadees>well, then we still need to write mythremote or somthing
00:41<kja>we, not me...i have enough with other stuff...learn qt and you are half-way there
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00:42<hadees>hehe, well i have one way
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00:42<hadees>i can do it if we don't need to send things from mythtv to the remote
00:42<hadees>which we really don't
00:43*kja gnight all
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02:00<Octane>I am so pissed off at myself for not buying a second tv tuner
02:00<Octane>from that dude on ebay
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02:20<knight->hey
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02:33<tharvey>what's the preferred method to handle a new patch that requires a default dbase entry? (ie. how would I get the right default into the dbase if the value doesn't exist)
02:35<thor_>you need s settings dialog that includes a default
02:36<thor_>a settings
02:37<tharvey>what if I want to add the feature in, and come back with a settings dialog patch later? How do new entries get populated in mythconverg?
02:37<thor_>you can use gContext->getSetting(key, default_value)
02:38<tharvey>oh... ok that works! thx
02:38<thor_>but you still need a settings dialog at some point, because if the user can't ever change it, it's not a "setting" :-)
02:38<tharvey>didn't realize there was a default value param. So all things that need settings hardcode the default into the source?
02:39<thor_>yup, because if the user has not yet been through the settings screen, the default is not in the db yet
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02:41<tharvey>ok, thx!
02:41<thor_>yup
02:56<knight->thor, i'm pretty excited about your mfd
02:57<thor_>gettin there
02:57<knight->it's definately helping to lean towards having plugins running things at the same time
02:57<thor_>well, that's the plan ...
02:58<kvandivo>bahh.. it'll never happen. and you'll never need more than 640k of ram, either.
02:58<thor_>or a mouse, let alone a mouse with _buttons_ !
02:58<kvandivo>well, you won't need more than one, anyway
02:59<thor_>and certainly not 640 of them
02:59<kvandivo>i think i'm going to go home and clean out my kitty cat's litter box.. it is probably needing it by now..
02:59<thor_>on that note, I go beddy bye
03:01<knight->night thor
03:01*knight- back to coding
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04:00<_Angelo_>hi
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04:59<knight->wow, KDE over remote X via X-Win is sexy :)
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09:43<pahli_bar>good morning everyone
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11:02<pahli_bar>heh. i didn't know this one: mythfrontend plugin will run the plugin immediately
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11:16<solarce>Ok, I have a relatively low powered frontend, and I have a laptop (which is used as a workstation for some minor power issues) and I am wondering if it is possible to use the laptop as a remote backend for purposes of encoding, as it is a pIV 2.0Ghz while my frontend (hopefully not for much longer) is a pII 400
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11:20<GreyFoxx>solarce umm does your laptop have a tuner?
11:21<solarce>GreyFoxx: no
11:22<solarce>I thought it might be a long shot...
11:22<GreyFoxx>It is :)
11:22<GreyFoxx>You would have to take the video from the PII400, transmit to something on the other end, have it encode and send the encoded stream back
11:22<GreyFoxx>not pretty :)
11:23<solarce>yeah
11:23<solarce>oh well, I am getting a pvr 250 in a couple of weeks
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12:12<Chutt>I am not seeing any errors from myth, unless they are being printed to the console, which I have not checked
12:12<Chutt>heh
12:16<pahli_bar>heh
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12:19<kvandivo>if it goes to the console it can't be that important.. if it were really important it would be a popup box..
12:20<Chutt>heh
12:21*pahli_bar waits for apache to popup its error messages :)
12:21*kvandivo grins evily.
12:21<Chutt>Subject: [PATCH] Win32 frontend support
12:21<Chutt>Reason: Message body is too big: 158542 bytes with a limit of 40 KB
12:22<GreyFoxx>A Win32 Port of mythfrontend ?
12:22<Chutt>using cygwin
12:22<GreyFoxx>Nifty
12:23<GreyFoxx>That could be useful :)
12:23<Chutt>and a patch to qt
12:23<pahli_bar>X11. wonder if it has render support
12:23<GreyFoxx>I've got a laptop that seems to not like XVideo+TV Out at the same time
12:23<Chutt>and a patch to cygwin's ld
12:23<kvandivo>sounds like some serious hoop jumping has occurred
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12:24<Chutt>i'll wait a few minutes to see if he reposts with compressed attachments
12:24<GreyFoxx>Looks like time to install cygwin on that puppy :) I'll happily check it out
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12:24<pahli_bar>if only qt 3.x was gpl for windows
12:26<Chutt>hrm
12:26<Chutt>the patch actually isn't all that intrusive
12:27<kvandivo>i guess that speaks to the power of cyg..
12:30<pahli_bar>if kde can run on cygwin, myth should be very possible too
12:32<pahli_bar>wow. actually someone is porting qt3 to windows: http://kde-cygwin.sourceforge.net/qt3-win32/features.php
12:35<Chutt>yeah, i think that port's stalled, though
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12:45<sfr>FilterManager: failed to load filter convert NONE->YV12 with args NULL pebcak? happens with cvs as of ~12 hours ago when i try to start pip mode. main card is a pvr350, the 2nd one a h/w mjpeg card.
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12:49<sfr>and this just happened when pointing my browser to my_backend:6544 while one show is recording now. QSocketDevice::writeBlock: Invalid socket... many times repeated... WriteBlock(): Aborting WriteBlock, write to socket failed!
12:50<sfr>^^ thats from the backends logfile btw
12:51<kvandivo>you looked at the logfile?!
12:51<sfr>surprise, surprise :)
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13:07<sfr>any idea what filename that should be? QSettings::sync: filename is null/empty is printed during startup of the backend a few times.
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13:21<solarce>How much would mythtv take advantage of an smp machine
13:21<solarce>?
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13:21<louiscipher>what do i do about a possible mythtv crash?
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13:22<louiscipher>where do i submit the bug
13:24<pahli_bar>louiscipher: here or on mythtv-dev mailing list
13:25<kvandivo>follow the docs for properly submitting crash reports
13:25<louiscipher>well, let me explain... cause it might not be a crash
13:26<louiscipher>after putting in video sources, my computer takes me back to the main menu, and visually does nothing. While in the background i have a tv_grab_na process going
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13:27<louiscipher>for some reason where i live comcast has horrible bandwidth i guess, cause i walked away for 30 minutes, and i was still at that main menu( with no functionality)
13:28<louiscipher>so it appears like a crash at first
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13:29<pahli_bar>louiscipher: is myth being setup for the first time?
13:30<louiscipher>pahli_bar: no, but it did work alot better after i rm'ed .mythtv
13:30<louiscipher>(and resetup that is)
13:31<pahli_bar>what are you talking about: crashing of mythfrontend or mythtv setup?
13:32<louiscipher>pahli_bar: its not a crash, its just no functionality, or user responce
13:33<pahli_bar>louiscipher: let me repeat: are you talking about mythfrontend or mythtv setup?
13:33<louiscipher>setup
13:35<pahli_bar>louiscipher: aha.... it hangs at getting the provider list?
13:35<louiscipher>after that, after you tell it what provider you want, and press finish
13:35<louiscipher>it takes me back to the main menu, and just (appears) to hang
13:37<pahli_bar>yeah. if your connection is extremely slow it will create the impression of hanging.
13:38<louiscipher>pahli_bar: right, i guess what i'm wondering is if its possible to give some user feedback for that, instead of putting the user back to the main menu, what about a little mesage telling them that
13:38<pahli_bar>unfortunately i'm behind a fat pipe right now and so can't test.
13:39<pahli_bar>louiscipher: sure. mail the dev mailing list and request for this feature
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13:39<louiscipher>kewl, thanks for explaining things
13:39<Niqo>Hi
13:40<pahli_bar>bbk
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13:40<pahli_bar>bbl
13:40<Niqo>I'm trying to make grab_sn behave more like grab_na when fetching program listings
13:41<Niqo>the grabbing is working fine, and the data gets into the database with the correct date/time,
13:41<Niqo>but when i view them in myth the last show is the show that wraps 24:00, any ideas?
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13:44<servo>can somebody explain to me what the mc.sql file is all about?
13:44<kvandivo>what's the question?
13:44<servo>what is the mc.sql file?
13:45<kvandivo>it's a text file with sql commands in it
13:45<servo>where would I be able to find this file?
13:45<thor_>you need it to create the initial database the first time you install myth
13:45<thor_>updatedb; locate mc.sql
13:45<kvandivo>depends on how you got myth, servo. thor's way will find it if it is there, though
13:45<servo>oh ok
13:46<servo>(wahah im sooo close to getting mythtv runing)
13:47<Niqo>thor_: isn't that automatic as well now?
13:47<kvandivo>not the db creation
13:47<kvandivo>it has to be done by someone with db administrator privs
13:48<servo>ok so how would I go about to create an inital database? the manual is very skimpy on this.
13:49<servo>so I have a directory: /usr/local/share/mythtv/database
13:49<servo>I cd to it; and...
13:50<Chutt>'very skimpy' in that it tells you the exact command lines you have to use.
13:50<kvandivo>what's not clear about 'mysql < mc.sql' ?
13:50<servo>mysql -u root < mc.sql | mysql < mc.sql | mysql < /usr/local/share/mythtv/database/mc.sql | don't work. All return a No such file or directory
13:50<Niqo>kvandivo: ahh, i see
13:51<kvandivo>then you need to find mysql. do you have it installed?
13:51<servo>yes
13:51<servo>it's in /usr/local/mysql/bin/
13:51<servo>bashing mysql works
13:51<servo>wait!
13:51<servo>im under root to it may not
13:51<servo>no mysql does bash just fine
13:51<servo>mysqld is running
13:52<kvandivo>you need the 'mysql' client as well
13:52<servo>im more than sure I have it
13:52<kvandivo>well, find it, and you'll find the answer to your question. :)
13:53<servo>shouldn't the client just bash as "mysql"?
13:53<kvandivo>depends on if it is in your path, i suppose
13:53<Chutt>since when is bash a verb in this context?
13:53<servo>lol
13:53<servo>yes it's in the path
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13:55<thor_>.... as in BSD'ers can baxh, but they prefer to ksh ?
14:01<kvandivo>and _still_ the recorded icons threads just won't die
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14:06<ofer>hello
14:06<ofer>im having an annoying problem
14:06<ofer>i thought it was hardware / driver issue, but it works fine in xawtv
14:06<ofer>myth is only displayinng every other line
14:06<ofer>in the files
14:07<thor_>I'm really liking the guy who wants to install myth without sound ...
14:08<thor_>ofer, what do you mean "displaying every other line"?
14:08<sfr>hey, i'd like that too.
14:08<ofer>thor: line of video, line of black, line of video ...
14:08<ofer>thor: thats on my via epia machien with an ixmicro turbotv (bt 848)
14:09<ofer>err
14:09<ofer>i should say on my bt848 ixmicro card it exhibits this behavior
14:09<ofer>on my pctv pro, it works ifne
14:09<ofer>898 i think
14:09<ofer>but it looks fine in xawtv
14:09<sams2100>ofer, maybe it doesn't like the resolution you are capturing at?
14:09<thor_>hmmm .... odd
14:10<ofer>sams2100: its strange, it used to work at 480x352 without doing this, but now its failing at that res too
14:10<ofer>sams2100: that was my first thought as well
14:10<ofer>right nwo im switching from fedoras bttv to a later veresion, maybe thatll help
14:11<sams2100>you try something lower than 480?
14:11<ofer>sams2100: it doesnt work at lower, never has
14:11<ofer>err, it doesnt work correctly i should say
14:11<ofer>does that line thing
14:11<sams2100>I would first say that its a tuner config issue, but since it works with xawtv...
14:12<ofer>sams: your folowing the same line of thought i did when i first messed with the problem =)
14:12<ofer>i tried every temic tuner the driver had to offer
14:12<ofer>only one workss at all
14:12<ofer>(the ixmicro uses a temic tuner)
14:13<sams2100>you got me... I dont know if a new driver will work since xaw uses the same one that myth uses
14:13<sams2100>and xaw works
14:13<ofer>yeah
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14:14<sams2100>brb, phone
14:18<sfr>what's the purpose of the quick timeout option in ReadStringList?
14:18<ofer>yay, now its all green!
14:19<ofer>apperantly the new driver changed the tuner source id's
14:19<thor_>sfr. sorry ... where are you ?
14:20<sfr>over here *sfr waives at thor_* *g*. in libmythtv/util.cpp
14:21<sfr>line 156
14:21<thor_>yeah
14:22<thor_>not my code, but it looks like a bool you can set so it will error out quickly, where's it being called from ?
14:22<sfr>iirc the controlsocket was converted from QSocket to QSocketDevice some time ago. since then my remote frontend rather often looses the connection to the backend.
14:23<sfr>from remoteencoder.cpp. like SendReceiveStringList
14:23<thor_>it's wating 8 seconds at most
14:23<thor_>with quickTime on
14:24<thor_>if you want to test whether this is your problem, you may be able to bump the two timeout values, but that break other things (first time I've looked at this code)
14:24<thor_>that _may_ break other things
14:24<sfr>that's what i wanted to do.
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14:38<Niqo>ah, found the prob :)
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14:54*Peit|Home idly wonders if mythtv could support the sigma designs hardware divx decoders
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15:19<ofer>am i right to assume that if i'm running a frontend on another machine, the tv is not captured via overlay on the main backend
15:19<ofer>?
15:19<ofer>theres no such thing as capturing overlay is my impression, but im not sure
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15:35<ofer>is there a double buffer enable / disable option?
15:36<ofer>it feels like this may be some wierd double buffer problem, with the new driver, the tv jumps between a still of one channel and the video of the selected channel
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17:07*o_cee is away: yeah, i'm away
17:07<warlord>Hmm, are recording volumes per-channel or per encoder?
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18:10<captbunzo>I have a question concerning the mpeg format.
18:11<captbunzo>When I run nuvexport on one of my mythtv files, I comments that the inport frame for the video is "480x480 1.00:1 encoded @ 4:3"
18:11<captbunzo>does anyone know what the "encoded @ 4:3" bit means?
18:11<sfr>the aspect ratio i'd say
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18:12<captbunzo>is there some special way to encode an mpeg that results in a non-square pixel?
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18:21<captbunzo>anyone know of a good place on the web to read all about different video formats?
18:21<ofer>www.doom9.org
18:24<captbunzo>cool, thanks! :)
18:25<captbunzo>ever heard of anyone using a Hauppauge WinTV-D with MythTV?
18:26<ofer>what is a wintv-d? =)
18:27<captbunzo>a Digital Cable reciever card.
18:27<captbunzo>since Digital Cable comes in directly as a MPEG2, there is no encoding required,
18:27<captbunzo>unless one wants to transcode, of course.
18:27<ofer>is linux compatible to it?
18:28<captbunzo>not sure.
18:28<captbunzo>still looking. :)
18:28<ofer>i used to use a wintv till one of the connectors broke in back =)
18:28<ofer>but i dont have digital cable
18:28<captbunzo>nor do I. :)
18:28<ofer>hehe
18:30<captbunzo>used to.
18:30<captbunzo>then again, who needs that much TV in their life.
18:30<captbunzo>I have about 17 channels of cable. :)
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18:32<louiscipher>does anyone have a problem getting mythtv to do a schedule record?
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18:33<captbunzo>ah.
18:33<captbunzo>the MythTV docs specifically state that the WinTV-D won't work.
18:33<captbunzo>(with Linux)
18:33<ofer>that sucks =(
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18:34<ofer>my ixmicro turbotv doesnt work right with myth either
18:34<ofer>seems like it works at half framerate when viewing the files on another mythfrontend
18:35<ofer>or has one line video one line black if i play the files with the directshow myth filters
18:35<sfr>can anyone point me to the location where certain V4L2 attributes are set/queried? i'm looking for a way to set V4L2_TUNER_SUB_STEREO/_SUB_LANG1 attributes. grep wasn't successfull
18:35<ofer>sfr: /etc/modules.conf
18:35<ofer>you set them as options
18:36<sfr>hehe, not really
18:36<louiscipher>who should start the backend, the person setting the frontend or does it not matter?
18:36<Chutt>sfr, check out the bottom of channel.cpp
18:37<sfr>Chutt: the Set* Colour options?
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18:56<tmk>chutt: you around?
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19:00<kslater>myth ui question?
19:04<pahli_bar>kslater: we are waiting for the question
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19:10<kslater>sory
19:11<kslater>does anyone know if it's possible to shift the preview in the EPG to the other side of the view?
19:11<captbunzo>anyone know how to get nuvexport to do an inverse telecine on a NTSC mpeg while transcoding?
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19:12<DJ_Rican>hi ppl
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19:13<DJ_Rican>do i need to do anything extra to my .nuv files in order to view them with a mpeg player in windows?
19:13<kslater>dj_rican - not if you use a PVR-250 ish card.
19:14<pahli_bar>kslater: read the ui.xml file . you can change the location of anything there.
19:14<DJ_Rican>i do but all my players say give me a divide by zero error
19:14<kslater>I just went through it. Seemed like lots of repeated definitions, but I didn't see anything like a preview def.
19:15<kslater>Can you suggest a landmark tag to look for it under?
19:15<pahli_bar>kslater: looking...
19:15<kslater>DJ_Rican: what encoder card are you using?
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19:19<hadees>does anyone know what this error means?
19:19<hadees>2004-01-18 17:42:36 Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV
19:19<hadees>Remote encoder not responding
19:19<hadees>QsocketDevice::writeBlock: Invalid socket
19:19<hadees>2004-01-18 17:42:36 Error writing stringlist
19:19<hadees>QSocketDevice::writeBlock: Invalid socket
19:19<hadees>2004-01-18 17:42:36 Error writing stringlist
19:19<hadees>QSocketDevice::readBlock: Invalid socket
19:20<pahli_bar>kslater: in ui.xml look for programguide-video and in that current_video
19:20<DJ_Rican>kslater: pvr-250
19:20<pahli_bar>kslater: line 302 to be specific in the blue theme
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19:21<kslater>DJ_Rican: as I understand it, pvr-250 produces MPEG2 files. You should be able to play in a lot of players in Windoze. Maybe change ext. to mpg first though?
19:21<kslater>pahli_bar: Thanks, I'll have a look now.
19:22<DJ_Rican>kslater: i did but all my players still quit with error.,..
19:23<kslater>don't know what to say then. My pvr-250 is still in the box, so i'm only spitting out what I've read in the past.
19:24<kslater>pahli_bar: real noob question, how are the coords laid out?
19:24<sfr>DJ_Rican: maybe try a different mpeg stream type or what it's called. afaik DVD Special2 is used by the windows driver. or try MPEG-2 PS.
19:30<Sobek>Anyone running myth on a box with no keyboard / mouse?
19:31<pahli_bar>kslater: all myth ui themes are for 800x600 size. a <window> tag means a full 800x600 window. within that you can containers which have an area defined for them like <area>540,30,240,180</area>, which means position at 540,30 (in a 800x600 window) with width=240,height=180
19:34<kslater>ok, assuming coords start as 0,0 in lower left and go positive up and to the right.
19:34<pahli_bar>kslater: no 0,0 starts at topleft
19:34<thor_>+ = down, right
19:34<pahli_bar>kslater: +ve to the right and botoom
19:34<pahli_bar>s/botoom/bottom
19:36<kslater>ok. that makes sense, was thinking backwards. My epia video is placing the preview window towards the upper left.. that's why i was asking..
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19:40<Sobek>What is the best window manager to use with myth? I am using the RH9 default with KDE and am losing remote control when coming back from MythVideo.
19:40<thor_>change your focus policy
19:40<pahli_bar>Sobek: #mythtv-users or the user mailing lists
19:41<thor_>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/archive/MythTV_C2/Users_F11/
19:41<Sobek>Yea I can resolve the issue with changing the window behavior I was asking for personal preferences..
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19:44<pahli_bar>Chutt should really put a goto #mythtv-users for user questions
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19:52<kslater>sheez, didn't even realize. sorry dudes. going to users..
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19:57<knight->hmmm
19:58<knight->i still dont understand why mythtv stores some recording's file sizes as 0 bytes
19:58<knight-> Comedy Central Presents Greg Behrendt. 63 COMEDYP Mon, Jan 19 (11:30 AM) 30 mins 0 B Delete
19:58<knight-> Comedy Central Presents Carlos Mencia. 63 COMEDYP Mon, Jan 19 (10:30 AM) 30 mins 0 B
19:58<knight-> Cheech Marin's San Francisco The entertainer leads a personal tour of the Bay Area. 71 TRAV Mon, Jan 19 (6:00 AM) 1 hr 2 GB Delete
19:58<knight-> Office at Home 31 HSN Mon, Jan 19 (6:00 AM) 1 hr 0 B Delete
19:58<thor_>ah, my daily dose of stan
19:59<knight->weird
20:01<cmorgan>maybe the files are 0 bytes?
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20:02<knight->they arent
20:04<ofer>im getting a strange problem with myth and v4l2, it looks like its switching out the first picture that was displayed when i ran mythfrontend and the video
20:05<DJ_Rican>ok, back...
20:05<cmorgan>you sure?
20:05<ofer>so it looks like maybe myth is double buffering but one of the ubffer isnt being flushed / refilled?
20:05<cmorgan>i had some 0 byte files that really were 0 bytes ;-)
20:06<DJ_Rican>mpeg-s ps?
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20:07<DJ_Rican>can anyone help me with remote problems... irw works, irevent doesn't
20:07<srl>Do any of you use mythmusic to play music that is mounted from a samba share?
20:08<knight->I do
20:08<knight->works fine
20:08<knight->just takes forever to catlog
20:08<knight->catalog
20:08<srl>knight-: Hmm
20:08<srl>knight-: It didn't seem to play for me
20:08<srl>But I'll try again
20:09<thor_>srl, if you're just setting it up, try a local dir with a file or two in it first to make sure you haven't got a more fundamental problem
20:12<srl>thor_: Well, mpg123 works fine
20:13<knight->srl, be sure the mythtv user has access to it
20:13<knight->:)
20:13<srl>I'll double check :)
20:14<knight->btw i hate how mythweb's recorded programs page shows x GB out of x GB and gets that data from a df listing
20:14<knight->rather than adding up the file sizes
20:15<DJ_Rican>i can't find mythfilldatabasecron anywhere... i'm on mdk9.2, where would it be?
20:16<pahli_bar>DJ_Rican: #mythtv-users or the user mailing lists
20:17<DJ_Rican>Pahli: i've already looked..
20:17<cmorgan>maybe the package doesn't install it
20:17<cmorgan>try find / -name mythfilldatabasecron
20:18<pahli_bar>DJ_Rican: let me repeat this. this is a dev only channel. there are other forums (mentioned above) to ask user questions
20:19<ChamPro>pahli_bar: you really need to make this the support channel.... and mythtv-dev the dev channel.... no one talks in mythtv-users
20:19<pahli_bar>ChamPro: not upto me. you should ask Chutt to do that
20:20<DJ_Rican>i could understand this beint a 'dev' channel if there was an existing 'support' channel, but there's not...
20:21<pahli_bar>DJ_Rican: best source of "support" for users comes from mythtv-users mailing lists
20:21<DJ_Rican>ok but like i said, i've already looked there...
20:21<pahli_bar>DJ_Rican: did you post a message asking your question?
20:21<DJ_Rican>i can't post
20:22*pahli_bar gives up
20:23<DJ_Rican>ok, i don't have that file... :(
20:29<pcjabber>CVS is giving me major problems
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20:33<pcjabber>i compiled it with last night (8 hours ago)'s CVS code, and it gives me "relocation error: /usr/lib/libmythtv0.14.so.0 : undefined symbol DirectFBInit"
20:34<pcjabber>any suggestions?
20:34<pahli_bar>pcjabber: using directfb?
20:34<pcjabber>no clue
20:35<pcjabber>what is it
20:37<knight->8203 Unfiltered (1125:52:48)
20:37<knight->bah, only 1125 hours, 52 minutes, and 48 seconds of music :(
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20:40<T-Squared>anyone help me debug ir on a pvr350 box?
20:41<tmk>t: sure
20:41<T-Squared>where can I look for a logfile for it?
20:42<tmk>eh?
20:42<tmk>what have you loaded so far
20:42<T-Squared>I just got the remote for it, and have the modules loaded
20:42<tmk>which
20:42<tmk>have you installed lirc?
20:42<T-Squared>yes, installed and appears to be running
20:42<tmk>ok
20:42<tmk>is the lirc_i2c module loaded?
20:43<tmk>(run lsmod)
20:43<T-Squared>an lsmod show lirc_i2c and lirc_drv loaded aftger ivtv
20:43<tmk>great
20:43<tmk>if you run 'irw' and push buttons on the remote
20:43<tmk>what do you get
20:44<knight->who's been maintaining the mythweb again?
20:44<T-Squared>I get events as expected, CH+ when I hit CH+
20:44<tmk>ok
20:44<tmk>sounds like it's working
20:44<T-Squared>just no interaction with mythweb (knoppmyth based)
20:45<tmk>hm i don't know much about mythweb
20:45<T-Squared>sorry myth (not running web), in tv right now watching fear factor
20:45<DJ_Rican>tmk: i have probs too... irw works but not irxevent... :9
20:45<T-Squared>that might be what is going on?
20:46<T-Squared>should irxevent be running?
20:47<pcjabber>is the i2c for Hauppauge cards only, or should i be running it with my serial reciever?
20:47<pcjabber>hauppage card IR recievers, that is
20:47<pcjabber>because i have a PVR-250
20:47<pcjabber>but im not using the ir reciever for it
20:47<sc00p>T-Squared, yes, unless you compiled lirc support in myth
20:47<T-Squared>ahh, it needs to be running as the user, su - mythtv; export DISPLAY=:0; irxevent &
20:47<T-Squared>works
20:48<DJ_Rican>irxevent needs to be running as the user or root?
20:48<T-Squared>what do you map the volume to on the pvr 350?
20:49<sc00p>in the example they use blue and yellow
20:49<T-Squared>irxevent runs as mythtv
20:49<T-Squared>no mixer device=?
20:49<Chutt>the pvr-350 doesn't have any volume control.
20:49<tmk>dj: irxevent needs to be running as the user who's running myth
20:49<tmk>and have the same DISPLAY set
20:49<tmk>sup chutt
20:50<Chutt>irxeven can be running as any user that has access to the x session
20:50<DJ_Rican>tmk: ok, i have it like that... i get commands using irw but not irxevent... :(
20:50<Chutt>dj_rican, then setup irxevent properly.
20:51<tmk>love is in the air
20:51<mdz>Chutt: do you want to look over this non-i386-ification patch before I commit it?
20:51<DJ_Rican>i made sure the commands in irw and my .conf file match... anything else i need to check/do?
20:51<mdz>Chutt: it's mostly clean except for the filters
20:52<mdz>hmm, in fact it looks like the rest of it was clean enough that I went ahead and committed it
20:52<Chutt>mdz, please
20:52<Chutt>heh
20:52<Chutt>nevermind then =)
20:53<mdz>emailed the filter diffs
20:53<mdz>it basically just #ifdef's out all the mmx stuff
20:53<mdz>because non-i386 gcc's don't understand it
20:53<mdz>the other option is probably to move it into a separate file
20:53<Chutt>yeah, it's fine
20:54<mdz>in a couple of places I moved stuff up or down to group the i386-specific stuff together
20:54<mdz>ok
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20:55<mdz>I think the only thing left is packing a couple of the nuv structs
20:56<Chutt>in a compatible way, of course?
20:57<T-Squared>who needed the irxevents, if you edit ~mythtv/.fvwm/.fvm2rc there may be a line to remove the comments to get ircxevent to run ;)
20:58<mdz>using __attribute__((packed)) on i386 seems to end up with the same struct layout
20:58<mdz>so it should be compatible
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21:01<mdz>Chutt: do you care about gcc-isms?
21:02<mdz>(i.e., should I use a macro or use __attribute__ directly)
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21:05<T-Squared>ok using irxevent, how do you map the enter to get into a menu (it now moves?)
21:07<knight->18:09:33: sending the following message to 127.0.0.1: huh status
21:07<knight->18:09:33: mythmusic watcher plugin sweep results: no changes in 1.243 second(s)
21:07<knight->18:09:33: incoming socket command from 127.0.0.1: media
21:07<knight->18:09:33: plugin manager was asked to see if it can parse the following message: media
21:07<knight->18:09:33: WARNING: failed to parse this incoming command: media
21:07<pahli_bar>bbl
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21:13<sweetboy>i am running 0.13 and am having some trouble with the vertical alignment of the gui
21:14<Chutt>mdz, i'd prefer a macro
21:14<sweetboy>the problem is that no matter how high i set it... the hight doesn't change
21:14<sweetboy>is that a feature ;-)
21:15<ChamPro>Chutt: just a suggestion... but make this the support channel and mythtv-dev the dev channel...
21:15<Chutt>no.
21:16<ChamPro>ok....
21:16<Chutt>if you want a support channel, go start one
21:16<Chutt>this is my channel.
21:16<T-Squared>grr, can't get it to do the Return key to enter a menu
21:17<Chutt>t-squared, there's a file that comes with lirc that says what all the keynames are for irxevent
21:17<T-Squared>I know, it says it should do a return in the current windows irw shows it running, but it doesn't do the return>
21:17<T-Squared>looking at the lircrc and .lircrc for mythtv user
21:18<T-Squared>anyone have a config line for an return/or enter key they can show me?
21:18<sweetboy>should i go somewhere else for answer to this question?
21:19<Chutt>sweetboy, the mailing list
21:19<sweetboy>thanks chtt
21:19<sweetboy>err Chutt
21:19<sweetboy>will do
21:19<Chutt>and, ah, explain yourself better =)
21:19<Chutt>what you asked didn't really make any sense
21:20<sweetboy>thought is was pretty plan.. the GUI Hight adjustment doesn't work
21:20<Chutt>height?
21:21<Chutt>it works fine
21:21<Chutt>make sure you're actually changing things
21:21<mdz>oh, and the PIC business
21:21<Chutt>going through the entire set of options
21:21<mdz>I don't suppose that's been fixed in ffmpeg CVS
21:21<Chutt>mdz, no, someone asked about it a few days ago with no response
21:21<Chutt>though
21:22<sweetboy>width works fine for me .. as does the X and Y adjustment.. but no matter what i change it to from 8 to 380
21:22<sweetboy>the hight GUI display doesn't change
21:22<tmk>gui is the on-screen gui during playback
21:22<sweetboy>but i will check the mailing list as you suggested
21:22<tmk>i believe
21:22<sweetboy>no
21:23<sweetboy>it is the menu GUI
21:23<Chutt>mdz, if i knew more mmx, i'd rewrite things myself
21:23<Chutt>it's not that long of a routine
21:23<mdz>which one is it?
21:23<mdz>I don't know any mmx at all; no time like the present
21:25<sweetboy>Kev.. your driver does a nice tv display with mplayer... but the menu adjustment (at least on my install of 0.13) for hight doesn't change the menu display
21:25<Chutt>libs/libavcodec/i386/mpegvideo_mmx_template.c
21:25<sweetboy>actually my tv picture is perfect
21:25<Chutt>starting at lines 92 and 144
21:25<sweetboy>an EXACT match to normal tv
21:25<Chutt>basically, the two asm sections need to be rewritten so they use one less register
21:27<Chutt>at least, as far as i understand things
21:27<sweetboy>so as Chutt suggested ... i am going to look for a fix, if there is one, on the mailing list
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21:27<krenin>howdy folks
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21:33<Octane>knight- Chris Peterson
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21:37<ChamPro>Question: how many people run mythTV without installing ALSA?
21:37<ChamPro>cus it seems I have to dump ALSA to get my sound card working
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21:41<knight->Octane, thanks
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21:46<knight->anyone remember what the proper way to load two pvr-250's is?
21:46<knight->error reading from: /dev/video1
21:46<knight->read: Input/output error
21:46<knight->having problems with the second card
21:50<tmk>knight- reload saa7115
21:50<knight->i have :(
21:50<tmk>reload ivtv too?
21:51<knight->i have :)
21:51<tmk>dunno
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21:52<knight->Jan 19 18:52:10 viper ivtv: Active card count: 2.
21:53<knight->Jan 19 18:52:08 viper ivtv: Configuring 250rev2 card
21:53<knight->Jan 19 18:52:13 viper ivtv: Configuring 250rev1 card
21:53<knight->heh
21:53<knight->it sets up the devices, etc
21:56<mdz>Chutt: it gets pissed about libpostproc/postprocess_template.c as well
21:57<mdz>PLEASE REPLY TO <EMAIL: PROTECTED> ONLY, *NOT* <EMAIL: PROTECTED>.
21:57<mdz>I hate geocrawler
21:59<_beetle_>knight: I had one card, and had that problem. had to do the send all the test_ioctl commands (set ntsc, tuner as the input, and the capture size.)
21:59<knight->_bettle_ every time before you ran mythbackend?
22:00<_beetle_>knight: everytime I tried to capture from the card (cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg)
22:00<knight->heh
22:00<knight->hmm
22:00<knight->what about the tuner type
22:00<knight->ivtv has type=29 in it's makefile
22:04<krenin_>what would cause my audio to play at too low a frequency on mythtv playback
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22:09<mdz>heh, the ffmpeg guys sure are militant
22:09<_beetle_>is anyone running any version of ivtv on a kt266 motherboard?
22:09<mdz>searched around some looking at this problem, and I find tons of messages on the ffmpeg lists/news talking about what idiots the rest of the world must be
22:10<knight->mdz, how's that any different than the mythtv-dev mailing list? :)
22:10<mdz>Chutt: building with -fomit-frame-pointer gives it the extra register it needs
22:12<mdz>as long as -O1 or greater is used
22:13<Chutt>cool.
22:13<Chutt>funny thing is, the biggest dumbasses on the ffmpeg list aren't even the ffmpeg guys :p
22:14<mdz>of course it'd still be busted for debug mode
22:14<mdz>unless that still optimizes
22:15<Chutt>so, build with -fomit-frame-pointer -O3 -fPIC
22:15<Chutt>for release mode
22:15<Chutt>and just -O0 or whatnot for debug mode
22:15<mdz>does qmake let you set per-object CFLAGS?
22:15<Chutt>probably, but i don't know how
22:16<mdz>hmm, it already builds with -O in debug mode
22:16<mdz>but it's not doing -fPIC so it shouldn't matter
22:16<mdz>except for being broken where PIC is required
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22:21<mdz>Chutt: there was some trash talk from some ffmpeg guy about how this is a gcc problem and it ought to work
22:21<mdz>and I think he may be right
22:21<mdz>some of the stuff it complains about only uses 2 general-purpose registers
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22:49<knight->yay
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23:13<knight->* Couldn't find Xv support, falling back to non-Xv mode.
23:13<knight->wtf
23:15<thor_>the thing that really kills me about stan is that he even has the Franklin quote wrong
23:16<mdz>who is stan? or should I just be thankful that I don't know?
23:16<thor_>you should be thankful you don't know (-user)
23:18<knight->is XvMC not going to be used/developed anymore?
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23:25<knight->* Couldn't find Xv support, falling back to non-Xv mode.
23:25<knight->i dont get that
23:25<knight->never had that before with my GeForce2
23:25<Chutt>update your cvs checkout
23:26<Chutt>err, nevermind, wrong error message
23:27<knight->heh
23:27<Chutt>suppose i should look into applying people's patches
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23:28<knight->weird
23:29<knight->doesnt the nvidia binary kernel release provide xvideo?
23:32<Chutt>it does
23:33<knight->weird
23:33<mdz>xvinfo
23:34<knight->no adapters present
23:34<knight->wtf
23:34<thor_>startx
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23:34<thor_>:-)
23:34<knight->heh
23:34<knight->X is running :)
23:37*Invisi yawns
23:39<mdz>does non-xv mode actually work at all?
23:39<mdz>non-shm, non-xv that is
23:39<mdz>it just segfaults for me
23:39<knight->no
23:39<knight->it exits
23:40<knight->hence a problem :)
23:40<mdz>***
23:40<mdz>* Couldn't find Xv support, falling back to non-Xv mode.
23:40<mdz>* MythTV performance will be much slower since color
23:40<mdz>* conversion and scaling will be done in software.
23:40<mdz>* Consider upgrading your video card or X server if
23:40<mdz>* you would like better performance.
23:40<mdz>***
23:40<mdz>* No XShm support found, MythTV may be very slow and consume lots of cpu.
23:40<mdz>2004-01-19 20:40:26 Changing from None to WatchingPreRecorded
23:40<mdz>zsh: segmentation fault NO_SHM= NO_XV= mythtv
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23:41<Chutt>mdz, it worked at one time =)
23:41<tmk>chutt: are you aware of any issues with recent cvs of myth with ivtv 0.1.9?
23:41<knight->why would this happen though?
23:41<tmk>it only plays back like once per load of teh frontend
23:42<Chutt>nope
23:42<Chutt>works fine here
23:42<Chutt>i've been running current-ish cvs and 0.1.9 since the weekend
23:42<Chutt>no problems except for the driver killing itself
23:43<Chutt>what's breaking?
23:43<tmk>well i go to watch a recording
23:43<tmk>and it just blacks the screen
23:43<tmk>says connecting to backend
23:43<tmk>and just sits there
23:43<Chutt>i dunno
23:43<Chutt>strace it at all?
23:43<knight->could X loading libfb.a cause XVideo not to work?
23:43<Chutt>knight, if it's just using the framebuffer and not using the accel driver, yeah
23:44<knight->(WW) NVIDIA(0): OpenGL is only supported in depths 16 and 24
23:44<knight->maybe i need to tell kdm to use a higher depth :)
23:50<knight->ok
23:51<knight->i set DefaultColorDepth to 24, and it works now
23:56<Niqo>any cool reason why mythtv creates 5-7 connections to the database at once, wouldn't one hold ground?
23:56<cmorgan>Chutt: should void MpegRecorder::StartRecording(void) return bool or something to pass an error up to mythfrontend?
23:57<mdz>Chutt: did you see that commercial-free flag patch? I was just thinking of doing something like that the other day
23:57<cmorgan>i just had an issue where i foolishly set bitrate > max_bitrate
23:57<cmorgan>the ivtv driver rejected this and didn't set any of the parameters and didn't start recording but took a bit to figure it out
23:57<Chutt>cmorgan, check out cvsweb for a change in the last day or so to NuppelVideoRecorder.cpp
23:57<Chutt>there's something there that can be carried over to mpegrecorder.cpp
23:58<Chutt>mdz, yeah, haven't looked at it yet
23:58<Chutt>doing the win32 patch first
23:58<cmorgan>Chutt: alright, i'll send in a three line patch that should avoid the root of the problem in a few and look at the nvp changes you mentioned
23:59<Chutt>look at the changes first :p
23:59<Chutt>it won't propogate the error properly without it, i don't think
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