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---Logopened Fri Jan 23 00:00:50 2004
00:01<nulltank>well, i found it using the wayback machine, and let me just say it was every thing i had hoped it would be and more, o so much more, too much really
00:02<Truin>I'm sorry.
00:05<Truin>ok, last smoke break of the night, then I better finish up some work so I can go home on time. Gotta be back here 9 hours from now. :(
00:05<CyberKnet>=(
00:07<Truin>what is it with the Chinese anyway? Thinking they need a whole week to celebrate one day... it's a new year... only takes on day, people. Sheesh.
00:07<Truin>BRB
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00:31<Chutt>hey thor?
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00:45<Octane>god damnit!
00:45<Octane>mythtv really needs a "warning youre in your playback buffer, hitting X button will cause you to lose it, are you sure"
00:46<Octane>i just did it on a 2 hour buffer :(
00:46<thor_>Chutt
00:46<thor_>what'd I do ?
00:47<FooBar01>I think first they have to fix the LiveTV bugs where it crashes randomly upon watching live tv....today it crashed while it was paused!
00:48<Chutt>if it crashes
00:48<Chutt>get a backtrace.
00:48<Octane>sounds like a problem with your setup dude
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00:48<FooBar01>can't get a backtrace if it freezes my computer
00:48<Chutt>thor, naw, wanted your input on the metadata patch, but i figured out what i was seeing wrong
00:48<FooBar01>it crashes bad
00:48<Chutt>foobar01, then it's not a mythtv problem.
00:48<thor_>sue!
00:48<Octane>do the microsoft dance FooBar01
00:48<Octane>format reinstall
00:49<Chutt>a userspace program, like mythtv, can _not_ cause your machine to freeze
00:49<FooBar01>but usually its the problem that most people have been having, where it does the "Waiting 2 seconds..." repeating message
00:49<thor_>modprobe myth !!
00:49<thor_>(joking)
00:49<Chutt>foobar01, so start debugging
00:50<Truin> "Waiting 2 seconds..." repeating message for me is resolved by unloading and reloading the ivtv module... but if you're not using ivtv, could be something different.
00:51<FooBar01>Octane: Why would I ever install Microsoft? How would that make things better?
00:51<Octane>...
00:51<Octane>its a phrase
00:51<thor_>Chutt, you wanting to fiddle with the album art stuff before 0.14 ... I was planning on letting the debate settle down about where the images should sit ...
00:51<Octane>you know when something breaks on windows, you have to uninstall and reinstall
00:51<thor_>(was that why you "paged" me?)
00:51<FooBar01>Truin: not using ivtv...I have a basic WinTV tuner...not the DVR one.
00:52<Truin>hm
00:52<thor_>but I could it put it in sooner with a setting to turn it off
00:52<Chutt>thor, i'll just apply it for now
00:53<thor_>k
00:53<Chutt>since i already did
00:53<Chutt>=)
00:53<thor_>that was easy
00:53<Chutt>it can be changed later
00:53<FooBar01>I heard that they fixed the problem in CVS, but I don't think the fix has made it to the Debian package yet.
00:53<Chutt>of course it hasn't.
00:53<Chutt>there are only packages of releases.
00:54<FooBar01>I'm hoping for a release soon, and that the fix gets included with the release.
00:54<thor_>I'm hoping that someone accidently mails me the title deed to, say, a medium sized European principality
00:55<Chutt>foobar01, so basically, you're just lazy and willing to whine about it instead?
00:55<FooBar01>The problem I've been having has been plaguing many people in the past month.
00:56<Chutt>so?
00:56<Chutt>if you think it's fixed in cvs
00:56<Chutt>try using cvs to see
00:57<FooBar01>Chutt: Nah, more like I'm seeing if anyone in here has anything info about it.
00:57<thor_>no one here but us l003er3
00:58<Truin>not a problem I've run into, and not one I've heard mentioned... but then again, I built mythtv from source, so, can't help ya with any packaged versions.
00:58<FooBar01>Chutt: The thought entered my mind, but I'd rather use a release. I'm debating whether to switch to CVS or just wait for the next release.
00:58<Chutt>if you have a problem with the latest release
00:58<Truin>FooBar01: depends on how willing you are to wait for a release to see if it fixes it.
00:58<Chutt>and you see it mentioned that the particular problem you're having is fixed in cvs
00:59<Chutt>why would you still whine about that problem being in the release?
00:59<Chutt>and not just spend the half hour or less it'd take to install cvs and see?
00:59<Truin>THEN EITHER INSTALL THE CVS, OR WAIT! :) sorry, couldn't resist. ;)
01:00<Truin>my frist mythtv build took longer than 30 minutes, but then again there were a lot of deps.
01:00<Truin>the install doc was well written, tho. Had no problems getting it all together. Only problem was in figuring out the key commands... took me a month before I found keys.txt
01:01<Chutt>no one reads the README anymore
01:01<Truin>I hear ya. :(
01:01<thor_>there's a README ?!
01:01<thor_>crap
01:01<Truin>lol
01:02<Chutt>thor, hey, want me to update mfd or do you?
01:02<Chutt>just needs to get rid of the gContext definition in your main.cpp
01:02<thor_>oh yeah
01:03<thor_>I did that already
01:03<Chutt>really?
01:03<thor_>well, not committed
01:03<Chutt>i just committed the libmyth change half a minute ago
01:03<thor_>heh
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01:04<thor_>I had a problem when I was checking if it still builds with --disable-mythlib
01:04<thor_>so I changed that around a little
01:05<thor_>lemme try and build your new commits and see what that does to me
01:11<thor_>ah
01:11<thor_>I see
01:11<thor_>I'll fix it
01:12<Chutt>I would like to fix this and was wondering how do I go about, committing the modified sources? (currently read-only cvs access)
01:12<Chutt>Or do all patches etc. have to be send in by mail (seems unlikely)?
01:13*thor_ thor looks around in total confusion
01:16<Truin>home time. nighterz, guyz.
01:16<Chutt>thor, some random guy emailed me that
01:16<thor_>ah
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01:18<Octane>Chutt, what are the chance of having that "are you sure" dialogue that i spoke about above?
01:18<Chutt>if you write it, 100%
01:19*Octane knew that was coming
01:19<Chutt>=)
01:19<Octane>i was hoping you would reply to my latest thread
01:19<Chutt>hey, about that nes title patch?
01:19<Octane>i gave up coding it
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01:19<Octane>im like derrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
01:19<Chutt>bah
01:19<Octane>i tried doing another patch, something with favorites in mythgame
01:19<Chutt>it's just sql wrapped in some tiny bit of c
01:19<Octane>that one worked well, until it got to the file i changed
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01:21<sc00p>Octane: you might want to try turning on browse mode
01:22<Octane>alright
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01:25<Chutt>sfr, hey, where's your streaming code again?
01:25<sfr_>good morning Chutt. here: http://sfr.dyndns.org/mythtv
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01:27<Chutt>sfr, i want to try to get that applied so at least the stuff's started in cvs =)
01:30<sfr_>hmmmm. but test it with local playback before. might be i broke wma playback and/or other decoders again.
01:30<Chutt>you did =)
01:30<Chutt>but i'll fix
01:31<sfr_>iirc mp3 and cd still played fine.
01:31<Chutt>hrm
01:31<Chutt>it looked like you broke em, but, no worries
01:31<Chutt>i'll fix everything =)
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01:32<sfr_>got a bit frustrated with trying to keep it well organised. ;)
01:32<billytwowilly>any idea what could make a previously working remote frontend display a black screen with sound playing on mythtv?
01:33<Chutt>billytwowilly, error messages on the console
01:33<thor_>black screen .... no sound .... power failure?
01:33<billytwowilly>nothing on the console.
01:33<billytwowilly>I just ssh'd in and am rebooting it.
01:33<billytwowilly>black screen, but sound plays.
01:33<thor_>ah
01:33<thor_>never mind
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01:34<billytwowilly>I know the recording is good because I watched one before and the new one I'm trying to watch has a working picture in the display..
01:34<billytwowilly>on mythweb..
01:34<billytwowilly>I'm hoping the trick I learned running windows 98 will work:0
01:34<billytwowilly>err.
01:34<billytwowilly>;)
01:35<billytwowilly>hmm. reboot didn't work.
01:37<billytwowilly>score!
01:37<billytwowilly>I did a killall totem on the frontend and that fixed it. silly improperly exiting totem...
01:38<billytwowilly>it's funny how just asking your question somewhere can help you figure it out.
01:38<billytwowilly>anyhoo, I'll stop spamming the channel now and go watch csi;)
01:38<billytwowilly>thanks.
01:47<Octane>Chutt you have been much nicer lately, how come
01:47<Octane>i have noticed an increase in your smiley usage
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01:58<srl>haha
01:58<srl>Octane: Maybe I've annoyed him less
02:00<sfr_>Chutt: so, did you already delete the patch in disgust?
02:03<thor_>hmmm ... we seem to be at LIBVERSION 14
02:04<Octane>lol srl
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04:17<czn>'morning everyone
04:18<czn>I'm trying to get mythtv going with pvr 350 (pal-b/g) and debian unstable
04:18<czn>however, it keeps defaulting to NTSC even thought I've set the std to pal
04:19<czn>I'm using the 0.13 .deb packages from http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu:8088/~mdz/debian/dists/unstable/mythtv/
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04:20<czn>are there any better versions available? maybe in cvs?
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04:59*Peit|Home watchs xmltv_uk go boom
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05:39<o_cee>pahli_bar: galleryfolder.png in my theme is obselete now, right?
05:46*o_cee is back (gone 11:05:47)
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08:19<Niqo>chutt: around?
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08:36<Matt>gah, ananova killing listings is a real pita
08:54<Peit|work>Matt, have you converted to the other grabber yet?
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08:55<Matt>in the process of doing so
08:56<Matt>but kinda hard as it's at home and I'm at work :&)
08:56<Matt>and this ssh is laggy
08:56<Matt>following up on http://www.bleb.org/tv2 (as posted to list)
08:57<Matt>might write a script to read in those xml files and spit out something mythtv can use
08:58<UKP>there is a new xmltv grabber using http://www.broadcastingdata.com/listing/download.html coming out soon
08:59<Matt>it's a real shame digiguide refuse to help
08:59<Matt>considering I use that on the windows machines
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09:01<Matt>ukp, still, that's good news
09:04<UKP>seems to have listing up till the end of march
09:04<UKP>obviously there will be amendements before then
09:05*Matt nods
09:09<Matt>~R~?
09:09<Matt>peh
09:09<Matt>ssh is acting up
09:10<Matt>I think BT is dropping packets
09:10<Matt>either that or ntl is - I suspet BT
09:10<Matt>google refuses to work as well
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09:17<_rkulagow>chutt: here?
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10:12<pahli_bar>o_cee: yes. galleryfolder.png is obsolete now
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11:38<Chutt>rkulagow, docs sync?
11:50<mdz>_rkulagow: I was looking for info on a kernel oops that I've seen a number of times, and came across a post of yours about a similar problem to lkml (generic_file_write). Did you ever get a resolution to your problem?
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11:59<pahli_bar>Chutt: should i change the rotate cw/ccw to right/left?
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12:02<Chutt>pahli_bar, up to you
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12:03<pahli_bar>some people seem to be complaining about it. http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=News&file=comments&op=showreply&tid=458&sid=100&pid=457&mode=&order=&thold=#458
12:03<Chutt>it may make it slightly more clear what it's doing, that's all
12:03<Chutt>i don't really mind either way
12:04<pahli_bar>ah well. since its only one person, i will just wait for more complaints after the release
12:04<kvandivo>what does "rotate left" mean? that the top of the image moves to the left side, or that the bottom of the image moves to the left side?
12:05<pahli_bar>there is a special place for people who think so much as you do :)
12:05<kvandivo>my point is that clockwise and counterclockwise is very clear, unless you have one of those strange bar clocks that runs backwards..
12:07<pahli_bar>kvandivo: its definitely more clear. the problem here is that because of space-limitations i abbreviated them to CW and CCW
12:13<Chutt>keep em as they are
12:13<Chutt>final decision!
12:13<Chutt>=)
12:13<pahli_bar>heh.
12:15<kvandivo>it has been spoken, and thus it shall be
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12:18<Chutt>kvandivo, hey, you had time to work on your patch at all?
12:20<kvandivo>what needs done to it? I've changed the table names..
12:20<Chutt>did you resubmit it?
12:20<kvandivo>not yet. had been meaning to talk to you to see if there was anything else to do before resubing
12:20<Chutt>ah
12:20<Chutt>i'll look things over again, then
12:20<kvandivo>the proposal went out on monday and i've been in recovery mode since then
12:23<kvandivo>now that i'm starting to find some time, i need to reread bjm's comments (and my response to it) and see if there was anything in there that i needed to do..
12:23<kvandivo>i can't recall, off the top of my head
12:24<Chutt>neither can i =)
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12:26<_rkulagow>chutt: docs sync please.
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12:26<Chutt>rkulagow, i did it a little earlier -- again?
12:26<_rkulagow>whoops. let me check if i'm cached.
12:26<_rkulagow>sorry, my bad. forced a refresh and there it was. thanks.
12:26<kvandivo>could that be automated? a script on the webserver or something that that password protected..
12:27<kvandivo>second 'that' -> is
12:27<Chutt>probably
12:27<Chutt>i'm lazy, though
12:27*kvandivo grins evily.
12:27<_rkulagow>ick. the whole uk grabber thing sucks. i haven't seen any messages on the s00per-sekrit US offering in a long time.
12:27<Chutt>neither have i
12:28<sfr>pahli_bar: hey, i vote for CW/CCW
12:28<pahli_bar>sfr: too late. the master overlord has made his decision (though in your favor)
12:29<sfr>right, just spotted it
12:30<_rkulagow>chutt: is john danner still around? he did mythweather, correct?
12:32<Chutt>he's in here occasionally
12:33<Chutt>hasn't contributed code in a while
12:33<Chutt>and yeah, he did mythweather
12:33<_rkulagow>ok; a user has sent me a "missing city" report for mythweather.
12:33<Sastraxi>hey, does anyone know what version of mythdvd ripping was added into? is it CVS still?
12:34<Chutt>the very first version of mythdvd
12:34<sfr>_rkulagow: Bagdad?
12:34<pahli_bar>lol
12:35<sfr>but that would probably be a 'missing country' report
12:35<kvandivo>atlantis, actually..
12:35<Sastraxi>hmm... do you have to enable it in setup? I don't have a button for it... i have DVD and VCD...
12:35<kvandivo>forecast: wet, wet, wet..
12:35<_rkulagow>"Disentis, Western Europe (Switzerland)"
12:35<_rkulagow>bbl.
12:36<pahli_bar>_rkulagow: should be very easy to add that. accid.dat
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13:10<pahli_bar>ah screwballs. sourceforge cvs offline for the weekend
13:10<Chutt>ah, the wonders of having my own machine for everything =)
13:12<pahli_bar>heh.
13:12<pahli_bar>how much does it cost to maintain the domain-name and bandwidth
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13:19<Chutt>pahli_bar, i'm sharing the machine with other people, it's $100 a month total
13:19<Chutt>i currently pay $20 of that
13:20<Chutt>which reminds me, i need to send a check to snow-man
13:20<Snow-Man>I agree.
13:20<Snow-Man>:)
13:21<pahli_bar>Chutt: thats not bad at all. for the amount of bandwidth mythtv.org thats a very good price
13:21<Snow-Man>Chutt: Do we use even 1/10th the bandwidth yet?
13:22<Chutt>snowman, based on the weekly average, yeah
13:22<Snow-Man>Looks like were currently using around 14%.
13:22<Chutt>i think, unless my math's wrong
13:23<Snow-Man>I was looking at the monthly graph average.
13:23<Snow-Man>Then X/8*(60*60*24*30.5) or so.
13:23<Chutt>yeah
13:25<Snow-Man>The alternative is to just compare 1000*8/(60*60*24*30.5) to the average in + average out. :)
13:25<Chutt>heh
13:25<Chutt>awstats 6.0 is out now
13:26<Snow-Man>That'd be 59.6+387.7 / 3183.29, btw. :)
13:26<Chutt>debian packages are still stuck at 5.4 or whatnot
13:27<Snow-Man>Hrmpf.
13:27<Snow-Man>The maintainer said he'd package up new debs 15 Sep 2003.
13:27<Chutt>6.0's supposedly faster
13:27<Chutt>ie, less time spent spinning at 100% cpu :)
13:27<Snow-Man>Yeah, can't complain about that really.
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13:31<Chutt>waiting for the ups guy is boring
13:33<Chutt>heh, number 1 referrer for the month is that japanese mythtv thingie
13:33<Snow-Man>heh.
13:35<pahli_bar>from the ask mythtv section: how do you deal with co-developers who use terrible coding styles?
13:39<Chutt>i don't give people cvs access until their coding style's readable =)
13:39<Snow-Man>Well, that maintainer *appears* active, on some stuff at least...
13:40<Snow-Man>He's got a whole crapload of packages.
13:42<_rkulagow>chutt: delivering a MVP-1000, right?
13:42<Chutt>new laptop
13:42<Chutt>i did almost go for the mvp for $70 at circuitcity deal, though
13:42<_rkulagow>ah, almost as good. dell?
13:42<Chutt>decided i didn't have the time to figure stuff out, though
13:42<Chutt>yeah, dell 600m
13:43<_rkulagow>i'm hoping that my $20 gift card from CC comes today or tomorrow so i can pick one up.
13:44<Chutt>they do look neat
13:44<Chutt>but i don't want to spend time making it work =)
13:44<Snow-Man>Alright, I've pinged him again and said I'd take it over if he's too busy
13:45<Chutt>i'd get one if it just worked
13:45<Snow-Man>Chutt: So maybe soon you'll just have me to bitch at when a new version comes out. :)
13:45<Chutt>heh
13:46<Snow-Man>He did a new version of 5.6 a little over a month ago. Heh.
13:47<Chutt>that's stupid
13:47<Chutt>5.9 was out then
13:47<Snow-Man>Yeah, I know.
13:48<Snow-Man>There's also a patch to make the Debian stuff work with 5.9 that's been in the bug report for a while.
13:51<Chutt>hmmmm
13:51<Chutt>i'm pondering replacing my mini-itx with a micro-atx board
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15:14<o_cee>thor?
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15:21<littlezoper>anyone using a mini-itx board in a mythtv box? i'm wanting to build one, but I need to know who has had success with which boards...
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15:22<lmatter>I use frontend only. http://linpvr.org
15:23<littlezoper>hrm...
15:26<littlezoper>that via board does OK with decoding?
15:27<lmatter>It does now, http://ivor.it/cle266
15:28<littlezoper>gotcha...thx...
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16:03<lmatter>Anyone know of the X double buffer extension is a benefit to MythTV?
16:03<lmatter>s/of/if/
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16:36<pahli_bar>lmatter: not very sure here. qt widgets tend to do double buffering of their own. so do most of the myth plugins when using custom themeable UITypes. i don't know how the tv/video playback works
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16:40<lmatter>pahli_bar, thanks.
16:45<pahli_bar>lmatter: if you don't see any flickers anywhere, then you don't need to worry about it
16:47<lmatter>no flickers. Just trying to eek all the power out of my epia so it won't stutter during OSD transition.
16:48<pahli_bar>double buffering usually demands more video memory. in your case it can help to turn it off
16:49<lmatter>cool.
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16:52<_rkulagow>magic smoke left my 8 port switch.
16:53<Rroet>hello
16:54<kvandivo>not good if it lost its ability to contain the magic smoke..
16:54<Rroet>I just compiled mythtv-cvs as of tonights cvs... it gives me a hickup video/audio every 2 seconds.
16:54<Rroet>I'm using viaslice btw
16:55<lmatter>_rkulagow, lemme guess. Linksys.
16:56<_rkulagow>nope. want another guess?
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16:57<o_cee>thor_: i need you...
16:58<lmatter>_rkulagow, no thanks. Just had bad luck with Linksys. What was it?
16:58<_rkulagow>hawking.
16:58<lmatter>is that a cheapie?
16:58<_rkulagow>fairly cheap i suppose. it's no 3524 or anything like that.
16:58<kvandivo>linksys rocks
17:00<lmatter>3 linksys components, 2 dead in 1 year. I'm very happy with my netgear now.
17:01<kvandivo>sorry to hear about your bad luck.. here where i work and among coworkers we have about 10-15 linksys boxes and have had great luck with them
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17:53<pahli_bar>how many of you don't have univers condensed font. check by fc-list |grep -i univers
17:54*sfr raises his hand
17:54*mecraw_ too
17:54<pahli_bar>is that a yes or no?
17:55*mecraw_ doesn't have it
17:55<sfr>a yes, i don't have this font installed
17:55<pahli_bar>damn you people. go get some decent fonts installed...
17:55<sfr>what for?
17:56<lmatter>I use Zapf Dingbats so no one knows what I've recorded.
17:56<pahli_bar>looking for some condensed fonts here... so that i can use bigger fonts in mythnews and still fit in text.
17:58<sams__>no univers font here either
17:58sams__is now known as sams2100
17:59<sams2100>I got a font called Georgia though!
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17:59<o_cee>i don't have it either pahli_bar
18:00<pahli_bar>ah well... i seem to be the only one
18:00<o_cee>heh
18:00<o_cee>while you guys are at it
18:00<o_cee>you all have impact right?
18:00*pahli_bar has everthing... (except georgia)
18:00<sams2100>no impact
18:00<pahli_bar>sams2100: what do you have then :)
18:01<sfr>o_cee: yes
18:01<sams2100>woops, nm, needed a -i
18:01<sfr>courier?
18:01<sams2100>I have it
18:01<o_cee>good :)
18:01<sams2100>only regular though, no bold or anything
18:01<o_cee>wonder where chutt is
18:01<pahli_bar>impact doesn't have bold
18:01<sams2100>how can it be like an impact with no bold?
18:01<o_cee>pahli_bar: do you know your way around qtlook.txt?
18:02<pahli_bar>o_cee: nope. sorry
18:02<o_cee>allrighty
18:02<pahli_bar>sams2100: impact by default is very bold. any more bold it will be smudge
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18:05<pahli_bar>arial narrow it is then
18:05<o_cee>i don't have that one :P
18:05<o_cee>j/k
18:05<sams2100>has anyone attempted to write a gaim plugin before that would allow for a ticker like thing that could run at the bottom of the screen while you watch tv?
18:05<pahli_bar>oh crap. i think i should just let the theme designers worry about it then
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18:06<pahli_bar>sams2100: gaim?
18:06<sams2100>gaim
18:06<o_cee>pahli_bar: i was just kidding :)
18:06<sams2100>you know... IM
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18:06<pahli_bar>o_cee: phew.
18:06<o_cee>:)
18:07<o_cee>but
18:07<o_cee>mythtv@dragon mythtvcvs $ fc-list |grep -i arial
18:07<o_cee>Arial:style=Regular
18:07<o_cee>Arial Black:style=Regular
18:07<o_cee>Arial:style=Bold Italic
18:07<o_cee>Arial:style=Italic
18:07<o_cee>Arial:style=Bold
18:07<o_cee>no narrow it seems.. :/
18:07<pcjabber>does native LIRC behave differently than IRXevent?
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18:07<pahli_bar>sams2100: don't know how much interest is there for that kind of thing. it sort of means a single user frontend
18:08<sams2100>pahli_bar, why would that require a single user frontend?
18:09<pcjabber>does native LIRC behave differently than irxevent? That is, does it not just pass straight commands to mythtv?
18:09<pcjabber>and whats everyone's opinion on native LIRC vs irxevent?
18:09<pahli_bar>pcjabber: are you using X11?
18:09<sams2100>have not tried native here yet... irx works so I stick with it
18:09<pcjabber>yes pahli
18:10<pcjabber>brb
18:10<pahli_bar>pcjabber: if you are there's no advantage to using native lirc
18:10<pahli_bar>sams2100: it doesn't but for people with families there could be a situation like person A getting annoyed by IM messages intended for person B
18:11*o_cee is away: asleep
18:12<sams2100>pahli_bar, yes, I can see that... but for a dedicated mythtv box, have you heard of a plugin like that? if not, I might look into making one because I tried gaim the other night and it worked great (with large fonts of course)
18:12<pahli_bar>sams2100: ahhh... you are talking about a plugin for gaim.... i thought for myth..
18:13<sams2100>oh, no... sorry, should have been more clear
18:14<sams2100>mythtv plugins are basically limited to one running at one time right? Like you cant play mp3's and play a rom
18:14<pcjabber>pahli, what do ou mean by that?
18:14<pcjabber>you*
18:14<pahli_bar>pcjabber: if you are there's no advantage to using native lirc
18:14<pcjabber>why not?
18:14<pahli_bar>pcjabber: why not what?
18:15<pcjabber>sams, at the moment, yes
18:17<sams2100>think he's wanting to know what the differences are between them... if any
18:17<pahli_bar>if you are not using X11 like running a framebuffer, your only option is to use native lirc
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18:21<pcjabber>ahh
18:27<drd->nvtv prog is pos :(
18:29<drd->anyone here using it? can joo show me the command line u use to make it so picture fits your tv? :(
18:29<pahli_bar>nvtv kept crashing for me. i gave up and learnt to live with a little underscan
18:30<pahli_bar>there are some old nvidia drivers which do the over/under scan ok.
18:30<pahli_bar>search the user mailing lists
18:32<o_cee>4363 wich is the recommended version works without problems
18:33<pahli_bar>omg o_cee talks in his sleep and still sounds reasonable
18:34<o_cee>wah
18:34<o_cee>thor woke up so i'm still up a little
18:34<o_cee>;)
18:34*o_cee is back (gone 00:23:06)
18:34<o_cee>dammit
18:34<o_cee>:) never going to get any sleep
18:35<sfr>should we sing you a lullaby?
18:36<o_cee>i'm happy now, my problem got solved ;)
18:37<thor_>hurrah
18:37*pahli_bar is not very sure he wants to know what problem o_cee was solving on his bed
18:37<o_cee>hey! :)
18:37<sfr>is showering involved?
18:38<thor_>hmmm sveedish girlfriends
18:38<o_cee>riiiight
18:38<o_cee>:)
18:40*o_cee is away: now i'm going to bed for real :)
18:40<o_cee>bye bye
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18:59<drd->well foook
18:59<drd->are there svideo to composite connectors?
18:59<thor_>yup
18:59<drd->coz my tv overscans thru the composite but not svideo
19:00<drd->and nvtv no work :(
19:00<thor_>little $4 thingy at crap shack (if you're in NA)
19:00<drd->coo
19:04<drd->thinky all i have left to do is make it record tons of shit ;o
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19:50<kelt>wow...
19:50<kelt>can anyone tell me what this error means?
19:50<kelt>BlackRose:/ # /etc/cron.daily/mythtv-backend
19:50<kelt>Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed
19:51<Justin_>kelt: some qt thing, ignore it?
19:52<kelt>Justin_, ok.. but shouldn't there be more output afterwards?
19:52<Justin_>kelt: cat /etc/cron.daily/mythtv-backend
19:55<kelt>Justin_, ok...
19:56<kelt>could you tell me what this means?
19:56<kelt>BlackRose:/home/kelt # /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start
19:56<kelt>Starting MythTV server: mythbackendSession management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed
19:59<kelt>same thing i'm guessing?
20:01<Justin_>yes
20:02<Justin_>it being the exact same message and all
20:03<kelt>hmm
20:03<kelt>lol
20:03<kelt>sorry
20:03<kelt>ok.. here's a good question
20:03<kelt>how do i fix this? (i try running mythtv)
20:04<kelt>mythtv: could not connect to socket
20:04<kelt>mythtv: Connection refused
20:05<kelt>... and after taht i get something even worse
20:05<kelt>2004-01-23 18:47:07 Connecting to backend server: 192.168.0.1:6543 (try 1 of 5)
20:05<kelt>Connection timed out.
20:05<kelt>You probably should modify the Master Server settings
20:05<kelt>although my eth0 is 192.168.0.1 :(
20:05*bdale realizes his daughter has figured out how to change themes on the frontend in the family room... /o\
20:06<kelt>and i did a /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart even
20:10<kelt>in my /var/logs/mythtv/ i have this
20:10<kelt>Database error was:
20:10<kelt>Access denied for user: 'mythtv@localhost' (Using password: YES)
20:10<kelt>apparently i'm supplying the wrong password.. :/
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20:48<p0lar>anyone want to help a noob with a pvr 250 IR remote prob?
20:48<p0lar>running knopix myth R4
20:48<p0lar>I get the no device prob
20:49<p0lar>I have checked the perms 666
20:49<p0lar>on the /dev/lirc etc
20:49<p0lar>but to cannot run irrecord or mode2
20:49<p0lar>they both crash the lircd
20:52<p0lar>anyone here?
20:53<p0lar>am I even on this channel? i starting to hear voices in my head its so quiet
20:54<Peit|Home>ls /dev/lirc/0?
20:55<Peit|Home>see if it runs devfs
20:55<Peit|Home>if so lircd --device=/dev/lirc/0 apparently works
20:56<p0lar>its not running devfs
20:57<p0lar>dev/lirc is a char file
21:01<Peit|Home>dunno then, sorry
21:03<p0lar>thanks
21:03<p0lar>when is a good time to ask stuff in here? when is it most active?
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21:11<asdlfjkklsj>Anyone using their MythTV box with a Motorola DCT2000 cable box?
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21:17<asdlfjkklsj>i'm curious how the pc running mythv would control the channel of the DCT2000 box...
21:19<pcjabber>bbl
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21:23<drd->what version of lirc comes with knoppix?
21:24<drd->coz u need newest :/
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21:32<asdlfjkklsj>lirc is used to control a cable or other box (i.e. to change channels, etc.) right?
21:46<drd->who's usin nvtv successfully? :p
21:47<cmorgan>nvtv?
21:47<DJ_Rican>nvtv?
21:48*DJ_Rican can get lirc working with irw but not irxevent! any ideas?
21:49<lmatter>DJ_Rican, errors message?
21:49<DJ_Rican>none
21:49<lmatter>check /var/log/lircd?
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21:50<DJ_Rican>ok
21:51<DJ_Rican>no errors on /var/log/lirc
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21:53<DJ_nixbox>Jan 23 19:55:23 media lircd 0.7.0pre1: removed client
21:53<DJ_nixbox>Jan 23 19:55:38 media lircd 0.7.0pre1: accepted new client on /dev/lircd
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21:54<DJ_nixbox>that's what it says
21:54<drd->why not use myth's support for it
21:55<DJ_Rican>because i didn't compile mythtv, i used Thac's RPMS
21:55<drd->thac isnt sexy then :(
21:56<drd->are u using a window manager?
21:56<lmatter> Don't need one for irxevent
21:56<lmatter>I'm not using one, works fine.
21:57<lmatter>Maybe time to break out strace.
21:58<DJ_Rican>window manager?
21:59<aceat64>what's the transcode flag for mythdvd (using Gentoo) used for?
21:59<lmatter>Yeah, don't need a window manager if yer just using mythfrontend and irxevent.
21:59<DJ_Rican>but my remote doesn't work with irxevent.... it does with irw tho... :(
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22:00<drd->i had the same prob
22:00<DJ_Rican>how did you fix it?
22:00<drd->but instead of tryin to figure out irxevent, i just used myth's thing
22:00<DJ_Rican>:(
22:00<DJ_Rican>i can't
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22:13<rOOfus>hello all
22:14<rOOfus>sorry for the newbie question, but would an athlon 900 be enough to use for a mythtv if one used a hauppage 350-pvr also?
22:14<cmorgan>should be
22:14<rOOfus>would the 350 be able to handle the load of encoding and all?
22:14<cmorgan>its all done in hardware
22:14<cmorgan>naturally the hardware has to do it all in realtime or it would skip
22:14<rOOfus>so the proc speed doesnt matter than?
22:15<cmorgan>it matters, but not as much when you have the 350 doing encoding and decoding for you
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22:15<rOOfus>i am trying to figure out the minimal requirement i would need
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22:15<rOOfus>if i have dss i would need an irblaster to switch stations also, right?
22:15<rOOfus>i could not use an internal decoder?
22:18<cmorgan>yep
22:18<cmorgan>i built one for 6 dollars in parts from rs
22:18<cmorgan>hooks to serial port
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22:20<rOOfus>serial port, and then sends an ir signal to change the dss receiver?
22:20<rOOfus>interesting, i wondering how difficult it is to step up mythtv
22:20<cmorgan>yep
22:21<cmorgan>took me 2 months to get mine working and usable
22:21<rOOfus>the site looks like it is pretty kick ass, i particulary like the built in mame front end
22:21<cmorgan>mostly due to driver issues that hve been resolved
22:21<rOOfus>and you use dss?
22:21<cmorgan>use digital cable
22:21<rOOfus>i would be building it from scratch, but i have a spare athlon900 lying around
22:22<rOOfus>and a bulky box
22:22<rOOfus>with a memory chip
22:22<rOOfus>so i just need a new mobo, the haupagge card, and a big hd
22:23<cmorgan>oh yeah. 4+GB/hr at 720x480 high datarates
22:23<Snow-Man>Alright, I've got a mythfrontend on a different machine
22:23<Snow-Man>Using the Debian packages
22:24<Snow-Man>And it keeps trying to talk to localhost (127.0.0.1) instead of the hostname I gave when in debconf
22:24<Snow-Man>Anyone know what's up?
22:24<rOOfus>4+ gigs????
22:24<rOOfus>for real
22:24<lmatter>Snow-Man, what IP did you give master backend in setup?
22:24<rOOfus>so a 120 gig drive would be on the small side then?
22:24<cmorgan>well its recording at dvd quality, so you should expect dvd sized output files right? ;-)
22:24<Snow-Man>lmatter: The question "What is the hostname of the system where MythTV backend is installed?" and I gave the hostname of the machine..
22:24<rOOfus>i guess so
22:25<cmorgan>naturally you can adjust both the res and the datarate
22:25<rOOfus>does it look like shit if you use a lower rate?
22:25<Snow-Man>2004-01-23 22:25:16 Connecting to backend server: 127.0.0.1:6543 (try 1 of 1)
22:25<cmorgan>well i had it at 480x480 for a month and turned it up to 720x480 and was blown away by the quality difference
22:25<cmorgan>it looked AMAZING at 720x480
22:25<Snow-Man>That's what I get when I run mythfrontend though.
22:25<rOOfus>cmorgan: what kind of setup do you have?
22:25*Snow-Man pokes mdz
22:25<rOOfus>what are your specs?
22:26<Snow-Man>I'm not running as the mythtv user, if that matters..
22:26<Snow-Man>I don't see why it would though.
22:26<cmorgan>1.4ghz, pvr350, nothing special
22:26<rOOfus>i am just wondering what hardware to go with
22:26<rOOfus>i have a sound blaster pci16 also in there
22:26<rOOfus>does that play nice with myth>
22:27<cmorgan>no real need for a sound card. pvr does the audio output
22:27<rOOfus>oh for real?
22:27<Snow-Man>Bah, the mythtv postinst doesn't actually do anything with the server host/port. Damnit.
22:27<rOOfus>i didnt see audio out on their specs
22:27<Snow-Man>How do you configure the backend host/port in mythfrontend?
22:28<Snow-Man>wtf is Chutt anyway, he always bitches I'm not around when something breaks.
22:28<cmorgan>Snow-Man: run the setup app on the backend and give it an ip address(i think) and then edit your mysql.txt to point to the backend ip
22:29<rOOfus>i think i am going to try to build one
22:29<rOOfus>cmorgan, you know much about the knoppix myth project?
22:29<cmorgan>nope, just that its an install made just for myth
22:30<rOOfus>i guess the question is, do i want an ipod or do i want to fuck around and try to build a myth box
22:30<rOOfus>either one would cost bout the same
22:31<aceat64>hmm, you know what MythTV needs, MythRadio. Too bad the ivtv drivers don't support the radio receiver on the PVR-350 =(
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22:31<cmorgan>aceat64: you get what you pay for ;-) send in a patch
22:32<aceat64>cmorgan: I'm not a programmer (yet)
22:32<rOOfus>yeah, i was wondering bout that, then i realized, fm radio really sucks
22:32<rOOfus>i would rather stream my 60 gigs of mp3, shns, and flac
22:32<aceat64>is it FM only on the PVR-350?
22:32<rOOfus>then listen to clear channel
22:33<DJ_Rican>what mythtv needs is streaming audio from the web... forget fm... :)
22:33<aceat64>ya, then I could listen to some of the somafm stations
22:33<rOOfus>plus, with dss, i have several "radio stations" on there
22:34<rOOfus>os tjere a built in browser to myth?
22:34<rOOfus>can you surf the net on tv?
22:34<aceat64>I wanted to be able to record AM since I miss all my talk radio shows while I'm at school
22:34<rOOfus>aceat: just dl them off usenet
22:36<rOOfus>cmorgan, thanks for your help
22:36<cmorgan>rOOfus: np
22:36<rOOfus>i think i am going to try my hand at one of these bad boys
22:36<cmorgan>its not difficult
22:36<aceat64>is there a way to donate money to the MythTV project?
22:36<cmorgan>the myth directions are very complete
22:37<rOOfus>they look it
22:37<rOOfus>i just have heard horror stories on /.
22:37<rOOfus>and elsewhere
22:38<rOOfus>and i am not super linux guy
22:38<cmorgan>about?
22:38<rOOfus>so i dont want to spend $400 on hardware
22:38<rOOfus>and have it crap out on me
22:38<rOOfus>driver issues
22:38<rOOfus>freezing
22:38<rOOfus>audio sync issues
22:38<rOOfus>how big is your hd?
22:38<rOOfus>and how much memory do you use?
22:39<cmorgan>no idea, machine has 512mb
22:39<rOOfus>no idea how much hd space you have/
22:39<rOOfus>just a lot then :)
22:39<cmorgan>big harddrives...420GB or something
22:39<rOOfus>oh shit
22:39<rOOfus>several hd in there?
22:39<cmorgan>3 or 4
22:39<rOOfus>gotcha
22:39<cmorgan>they were around
22:39<cmorgan>120GB should be fine
22:39<rOOfus>and it is not hard to chain several together?
22:40<cmorgan>i mean, you shouldn't plan to record a month worth of shows at highest res without running out of space
22:40<cmorgan>nahh, linux does raid pretty well
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22:40<rOOfus>oh you have it as raid
22:40<rOOfus>i would just use ide i think
22:40<rOOfus>one last question
22:40<cmorgan>its software raid
22:41<cmorgan>can't see why you'd want to spend money on a hardware raid card when cpu cycles are so cheap ;-)
22:41<rOOfus>there are channel guides for all the different cable and satellite systems available?
22:41<cmorgan>yep
22:42<rOOfus>wow this is like discovering something really cool that you always wish was there, but did not know about
22:42<rOOfus>make a complete linux based media center
22:42<rOOfus>that is sweet
22:42<cmorgan>yeah
22:43<rOOfus>aight, thanks
22:43<cmorgan>as a software developer i'm amazed all of the time at the vast amount of good open source software out there
22:43<rOOfus>what software do you develop?
22:43<cmorgan>sent a few small patches in for myth, hack on wine a little bit
22:44<cmorgan>its a hobby mostly
22:44<cmorgan>don't get enough at work writing software all day ;-)
22:44<rOOfus>you follow the SCO lawsuit at all?
22:44<cmorgan>yeah.
22:44<rOOfus>did you hear bout the letter they sent to congress?
22:44<rOOfus>that was in the news this week?
22:44<cmorgan>i'm waiting for sco to fold ;-)
22:45<cmorgan>ha, everyone see the build your own pvr story on slashdot?
22:45<rOOfus>thats what made me take a second look at myth
22:45<rOOfus>but you hear bout that congress letter, their lobbying stuff?
22:46<cmorgan>nope
22:46<cmorgan>good luck though
22:46<rOOfus>oh, it was on /. earlier, i was the one who published it on the web
22:46<cmorgan>i mean, what do they think they will accomplish?
22:46<rOOfus>it got leaked to me
22:46<rOOfus>www.osaia.org
22:46<rOOfus>they wrote in the letter that linux threatens nat'l security
22:47<rOOfus>pretty retarded, they are desperate
22:47<cmorgan>they've blown all of their credibility months ago
22:47<rOOfus>true, aight now i am out for real
22:47<cmorgan>night
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23:23<Chutt>yay, brad allen's back
23:24<Niqo>Chutt: happy with your new laptop?
23:24<Chutt>so far
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23:28<Niqo>excelent, well, I better turn in, very am here, g'night
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23:57<PeteCool>in the playback options, for filters, do I have to put anything for quickdnr or should quickdnr= be ok?
23:57<PeteCool>if it's normal I won't BT it
23:57<PeteCool>(it's crashing on playback)
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