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---Logopened Tue Feb 03 00:00:07 2004
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00:03<warlord>Chutt: FWIW, it's clearly not 100% reproducible. When all I was doing was LiveTV it was having problems. When I was recoding on tuner 2 but watching livetv on tuner 1 it was having problems. But now I'm recording on 1 and 2, warching livetv on #3 and it's reading and playing at 30fps...
00:03<warlord>It's kind of acting like an ivtv race condition.
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00:04<warlord>(actually, it's still reading faster than it's playing, but only by about 3-5 frames every 5 seconds)
00:04<Omnic>is there a known problem with the cvs repository?
00:04<Omnic>cvs update: Updating libs/libdvbdev
00:04<Omnic>cvs update: cannot open directory /var/lib/mythcvs/mythtv/libs/libdvbdev: No such file or directory
00:04<Omnic>cvs update: skipping directory libs/libdvbdev
00:05<warlord>Omnic: IIRC that library was removed from CVS
00:06<Chutt>warlord, i'm seeing the same very slow increase, with just one live tv instance
00:07<Omnic>warlord: hrm.
00:07<Omnic>warlord: and I bet they removed the directory from the cvs repo.
00:07<Omnic>evil bad
00:08<Chutt>no, it moved.
00:08<Chutt>and rather than lose change history, i moved it in the repository
00:09<Omnic>Chutt: hrm. ok, that's a pain
00:09<Chutt>since change history is, to me, much more important than users complaining about a rather meaningless warning :p
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00:09<Omnic>Chutt: one thing cvs doesn't do well. :/
00:09<livesN[box]>has anyone built an ir transmitter for use with lirc/mythtv ?
00:10<livesN[box]>i got lirc installed and (i think) working -- but i don't think I wierd my transmitter correctly.
00:11<Omnic>Chutt: as an aside, did you ever look at the patch that Oscar Carlsson wrote for making the html status thing much prettier?
00:11<warlord>Chutt: well, at least you're seeing it :)
00:11<warlord>I'm heading to bed. Good night.
00:11<warlord>And thanks... :)
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00:13*Omnic prods Chutt
00:14<Chutt>omnic, err, it's in cvs
00:14<Chutt>and the 0.14 release
00:14<Chutt>and the 0.13 release
00:14<Omnic>oh, cool.
00:14*mdz bonks Omnic
00:14<Omnic>I hadn't updated cvs since I applied it, and it had conflicts.
00:14<Chutt>so, it's been in for a few months now.
00:14<Omnic>Chutt: my apologies, I was looking for an 'Applied' mail from you... :>
00:15<Chutt>there was one, several months ago
00:15*Omnic tickles mdz
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00:15<Omnic>Chutt: ok, again, sorry, I must have missed it.
00:16<Omnic>I just decided to do a long overdue upgrade
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00:18<hadees>anyone been having trouble when after you press right a few times (durning playing a recording) it skips ahead fine but eventually it starts to freeze when you do it for a while then starts back up playing again
00:18<hadees>i am not doing it all at once, i know that causes it
00:19<hadees>this is more spread out
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01:03<Chutt>hrmph
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01:21<livesN[box]>is anyone here who might not mind helping me with a homebrew IR transmitter using lirc ?
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01:52<eyver>Ah man, not a user support channel. I was hoping this would be the back-up in case of no response on the mailing list. ;)
01:57<mdz>eyver: #mythtv-users
01:57<eyver>Awesome, thanks.
02:02<hadees>theres a mythtv-users now, opps
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03:12<NotFro>I was in the other day saying my computer was freezing while recording shows sometimes and someone suggested some acpi lilo options but I neglected to save it. Does anyone have a clue what it could have been
03:14czznis now known as czn
03:36<hadees>not sure try the mailing list
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03:56<Omnic>gah.
04:02<Omnic>hadees: well, you're here too... is mythweb known to be busted? (wrt protocol mismatches whilst talking to mythbackend) ?
04:03<hadees>not that i heard of but i don't use mythweb
04:06<Omnic>hrm
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04:06<Omnic>it appears with the protocol checking mdz commited a few days ago I think. (looking at commit logs, and ml archives)
04:07<Omnic>mdz: you around still? or sleeping?
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04:07<Uberbot>Any gentoo users here?
04:07<hadees>yup
04:07<hadees>already build your case?
04:07<Uberbot>I'm trying to emerge mythtv and I get errors with libwww
04:08<Uberbot>Na, I'm just looking at it on my laptop.
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04:08<Uberbot>I've done an emerge sync.
04:08<hadees>i never got libwww errors, check those out in the gentoo forum
04:09<Uberbot>I've been asking. No response. I may have to post to the list.
04:09<hadees>libwww is really out of the realm of this channel
04:09<hadees>Uberbot: post the entire error in the gentoo forums
04:09<Uberbot>Ya, I know. I was just wondering if it was a known issue.
04:09<Uberbot>I will.
04:09<hadees>you will usally get a response in a day
04:09<Uberbot>Yup.
04:09<hadees>i didn't get it and i emerged like a week ago
04:10<Omnic>hadees: yep... commenting out mdz's protocol check fixes it... hrm
04:10<Uberbot>So, I'll be able to run through the menus and watch avi's on the laptop, right?
04:10<Uberbot>The laptop has a dvd....
04:10<hadees>Uberbot: yeah, well you can watch avis with mythvideo
04:11<Uberbot>Ok, I just want to be able to show the wife what the pvr will be like when we build it.
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04:13<hadees>Uberbot: yeah you can do everthing but record your favorit episode of Golden Girls
04:19<Uberbot>Well, that's a good thing. <grin>
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06:08<Slaytanic>s
06:08<Slaytanic>sry
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06:47<Slaytanic>Excuse me for asking... But apt-get install nvidia-graphics4363-kmdl-`uname -r` gives me "nvidia-graphics4363-kmdl = 1:1.0_4363-45.rhfc1.at is needed by (installed) nvidia-graphics4363-1.0_4363-45.rhfc1.at" and fails - how can I resolve this?
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08:20<kslater>did I miss the solution to the settings.pro change from a couple days back? No sign of my other plugins at this stage..
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11:05<mdz>Omnic: if you're talking about CVS, someone updated the protocol version and mythweb needs to be updated to match
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11:27<rkulagow>the fact that tivo knows that the janet jackson bare-breast thing during the superbowl was the most replayed moment ever should not make people with tivo's feel good.
11:28<bma>ok, mythtv people, why is mythtv giving me an echo on all audio?
11:28<rkulagow>because you didn't read the howto all the way through?
11:28<bma>cool
11:28<bma>I always wanted to be rtfm'd
11:28<rkulagow>there's a section that deals with that.
11:28<Chutt>poor bma
11:29<bma>Chutt: obviously, I got things working. I had to change the tuner= option to bttv
11:29<Chutt>ah
11:30<Chutt>xawtv help?
11:30<Chutt>http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-7.html#ss7.1
11:30<Chutt>start there for your audio stuff
11:30<Chutt>well, the top of the page may be better
11:31<bma>yea, I used xawtv for debugging
11:31<bma>cool.
11:32<bma>:)
11:39<bma>ok, if I set it up to record and then watch the recording, it has no static
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11:39<bma>i spoke too soon.
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11:43<Chutt>warlord, can you test something?
11:43<warlord>Sure
11:44<Chutt>in the PICTURE_START clause of MpegPreProcessPkt
11:44<warlord>yep -- there now..
11:44<Chutt>int type = (bufptr[1] >> 3) & 7;
11:44<Chutt>if (type >= 1 && type <= 3)
11:44<Chutt>and wrap the rest of the clause in that if
11:45<Chutt>i'd generate a patch, but i'm lazy
11:45<warlord>ok..
11:45<Chutt>it's basically just trying to verify that the header is what it says it is =)
11:45<warlord>Ok.
11:46<warlord>I presume the "break" should be outside the if?
11:46<Chutt>cleared up the increasing framesRead here, at least
11:46<Chutt>yeah
11:46<warlord>ok.. let me test it.
11:48<warlord>looks good so far...
11:48<warlord>let me let it run for a while and then test it.
11:48<Chutt>allright
11:49<Chutt>i ran it through a bunch of recorded programs (with a separate parser program i put together) and it looked good to me
11:49<Chutt>constant sized gops, at least
11:49<warlord>Ok. I'm running it on livetv right now.
11:49<warlord>(which should be constant-size gops)
11:49<Chutt>yup
11:49<warlord>it definitely seems to be keeping up pretty close..
11:49<Chutt>like 50 or so off?
11:50<Chutt>well, it'd depend on your bitrate
11:50<warlord>Yea...
11:51<warlord>I'm seeing (currently) 47-51 difference between framesRead and framesPlayed..
11:52<warlord>Which is about 1.5 seconds of buffering.
11:54<warlord>But yea, it looks to be keeping up perfectly now. :)
11:54<Chutt>great
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11:59<warlord>Ok, it's now up to 54 frames apart. :)
11:59<Chutt>heh
11:59<Chutt>oh no
11:59<Chutt>it's going to break horribly again
12:00<Chutt>so does it fix the seeking problems?
12:00<warlord>Yes
12:00<warlord>how is it going to break horribly?
12:00<Chutt>i was just being sarcastic :p
12:00<warlord>:-P
12:01<warlord>now if only we could fix the livetv+epg hang...............
12:01<Chutt>that's tmk's thing
12:01<warlord>yea, I know.
12:01<Chutt>since it seems to be related to globalalpha mode
12:02<warlord>it is.
12:02<Chutt>it might be worthwhile to mess with the fbdev driver and make it fill in 255 for the alpha part of the pixel instead of 0
12:02<warlord>it appears to be a problem where it turns off some interrupts but then never turns them back on again.
12:02<Chutt>and then just use localalpha
12:03*warlord isn't sure what's involved in that.
12:04<Chutt>neither am i =)
12:05<warlord>Once I finish up this contract (in a couple days) I'll go comb the code for interrupt masks and see if I can find something.
12:05<warlord>(and thanks for fixing this one :)
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12:23<bma>hey Chutt: when I do 'info' it's chopping hte 'm' in PM off. FAQ?
12:34<pahli_bar>Chutt: around?
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12:39<slestak>is it possible to use mythtv minus video capture card, just as a lan media server for existing files?
12:40<slestak>the dosumentation looks like it says that at least one capture card is required
12:40<slestak>s/dos/doc
12:40<mikegrb>topic might help
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12:41<pahli_bar>Chutt: hey.
12:41<Chutt>hi
12:41<pahli_bar>Chutt: couple of screenshots for you: https://pooh.tam.uiuc.edu/sshot1.png https://pooh.tam.uiuc.edu/sshot2.png
12:41<Chutt>what's up?
12:41<slestak>sorry mikegrb , is there a user support channel on freenode?
12:42<pahli_bar>work in progress. just wanted to check with you first.
12:42<Chutt>heh, cool
12:42<mikegrb>-users but yes you can use it without capture card
12:42<Chutt>i was thinking, have the bottom be an info section
12:42<pahli_bar>Chutt: its a scrollview. slides to left and right.
12:42<Chutt>looks nice
12:42<pahli_bar>Chutt: yup. detailed info on current selection
12:42<slestak>thx, I'll head there for anything else
12:43<Chutt>heh
12:43<bma>Chutt: the static is gone, but alsa is being a pain and wont'let me mute thecapture device
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12:43<Chutt>bma, ah
12:43<bma>so there's a very low-volume echo
12:43<pahli_bar>ipod/nextstep inspired treeview.
12:43<Chutt>how'd you get rid of the static?
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12:43<bma>dunno
12:43<bma>rebooted
12:43<Chutt>pahli_bar, yeah, i think that'll work
12:43<pahli_bar>Chutt: cool.
12:44<pahli_bar>Chutt: i will try and wrap it up by this weekend.
12:44<pahli_bar>Chutt: i disabled the scrollbars. maybe a ui theme can show scroll images
12:45<Chutt>hmm
12:45<Chutt>probably should have arrows somewhere
12:45<Chutt>doesn't matter who draws em, though
12:46<bma>Chutt: is there an option to pick up where you left off watchign a recording?
12:46<pahli_bar>Chutt: default arrows overridable?
12:46<Chutt>bma, yeah, turn on the automatic position saving
12:46<Chutt>or just hit space/enter before leaving watching a recording
12:46<Chutt>pahli_bar, sure
12:46<Spida>re
12:46<Chutt>how's it do the scrolling?
12:47<pahli_bar>Chutt: its a scrollview. setContentsPos
12:47<Chutt>so it scrolls over?
12:47<Chutt>nice
12:47<pahli_bar>Chutt: the internal container is bigger than screensize
12:47<pahli_bar>Chutt: yes
12:47<Chutt>ah, makes sense
12:48<pahli_bar>Chutt: fortunately the uitypes don't have screenspace limitations. so you can place them anywhere
12:48<killerbun>anyone knows if its possible to play radio in mythmusic ?
12:48<Chutt>are you using a qt scrollview, or something you wrote?
12:48<pahli_bar>Chutt: qt scrollview
12:49<Chutt>allright
12:49<Chutt>that's all my questions =)
12:49<Chutt>great job
12:49<pahli_bar>Chutt: i need to make it simpler for developers to use
12:49<pahli_bar>Chutt: heh. thanks
12:50<Spida>killerbun: like, real, live radio, over the air? or more like internet-stream?
12:50<killerbun>internet streams.
12:51<killerbun>or/and live radio (windows media streams or winamp choutcast streams)
12:51<warlord>Chutt: FWIW, the difference is still _SLOWLY_ increasing, by about 1 frame every 10 minutes. I think that's acceptable. (after 30 minutes it was a difference of 56)
12:51<Spida>killerbun: hmmm, I would be intzerested in that, too, but I have no clue
12:52<killerbun>cant the decoder plug run thouse files ?
12:52<Chutt>warlord, yeah, it's still not parsing right
12:53<Chutt>but this was a quick fix for the majority case
12:54<bma>hmmmm
12:56<Spida>what kernel should I use on gentoo with a pvr350 and a matrox g550?
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12:58<warlord>Chutt: yea.. I can definitely live with a 1/30 sec per 10minute drift. Sure, it means if I watch 8 hours of livetv i'll get 1.5 seconds of drift.... ;)
12:59<warlord>I dont think anyone will actually notice that. :)
12:59<killerbun>anyone knows anything about streaming and mythmusic ?
13:00<killerbun>read in the forum that somebody started on mythradio, but i dont think he finished it
13:00<steelep>I know I got it working in Xine but not mythmusic :)
13:00<killerbun>kinda pointless in xine..
13:01<steelep>nah, I use xine for mythvideo
13:01<steelep>so I just stuck my internetradio streams in the video folder
13:01<Captain_Murdoch>RE: rkugalow's comment about Tivo and Janet Jackon. Now we'll start getting flooded with requests for MythShare so everyone can share out their superbowl recordings to Myth users who forgot to record it or watched tit in LiveTV.
13:01<killerbun>but kinda wierd to have radio in the video module
13:01<steelep>it uses goom, so not really
13:02<steelep>and there are video streams there too
13:02<steelep>at least until mythradio is ready for primetime it a decent solution
13:03<steelep>just make .pls files use a xine command line if you use mplayer for video
13:04<killerbun>but doesnt the decoder for mythmusic support streams ?
13:04<steelep>that that I could make work
13:04<steelep>but i'm an idiot sometimes :)
13:05<lmatter>steelep, I'm new to this internet radio stuff. Can xine play a shoutcast stream?
13:05<steelep>yes
13:05<steelep>that's what I'm talking about
13:06<killerbun>su\xE5pose that you make a playlist with 1 stream ?
13:06<lmatter>steelep, cool. Any special plugins required?
13:06<killerbun>would mythmusic play it ?
13:06<killerbun>if it plays winamp playlists
13:06<steelep>try it killerbun, it did not work for me
13:06<steelep>but I may have had the pls formated wrong
13:06<Chutt>it doesn't.
13:07<Chutt>so don't even bother trying
13:07<steelep>thx chutt, so my solution is not so crazy after all
13:07<steelep>for example...
13:07<steelep>save this to disk with wget.
13:08<steelep>http://www.somafm.com/groovesalad.pls
13:08<steelep>it opens fine with xine
13:08<steelep>but if you make a playlist that has that url in it, it doesn't work
13:09<killerbun>hmm
13:09<killerbun>what about m3u format ?
13:10<steelep>shold be the same
13:11<killerbun>going to try it
13:12<steelep>if you don't use pls for anything else it my be a good idea to distinguish it as straming playlists.... made sense to me
13:13<steelep>if you don't like xine it should work for xmms or mplayer too
13:13<steelep>xmms looked crappy to me in the myth ui
13:15<steelep>if you are trying to play windows media streams... don't forget to put the codec in /usr/lib/win32
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13:17<killerbun>hmmm.
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13:18<killerbun>where does mythmusic put its database ?
13:18<killerbun>mysql ?
13:18<pahli_bar>killerbun: read the topic.
13:19<steelep>hehe
13:24<Chutt>patch applying is boring
13:24<Chutt>i should just stop testing stuff
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13:24<o_cee>Chutt: you want me to make new screenshots for the homepage?
13:24<o_cee>for the themes section
13:25<Chutt>lemme do that, so they can match the existing ones
13:25<Chutt>i've just been busy
13:25<o_cee>okay
13:25<o_cee>:)
13:27<AridWrk>can mythweather be installed and setup via ssh or do I need to go use the frontend?
13:27<o_cee>installed yes, setup no
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13:44<o_cee>Chutt: i got myth livetv into a prepuffering pause mayhem today as well.. got no idea what triggers it more than a channel change.. skipping around and back a while made the stuttering go away for a while, then they came back... very odd indeed, nothing strange in dmesg or backend log..
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14:09<Omnic>mdz: as I imagined... was this after 0.14 was released, OOC?
14:10<mdz>Omnic: what was?
14:11<Omnic>mythweb protocol thing
14:11<mdz>yes
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14:19<racer>pahli?
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14:30<pahli_bar>racer: yes
14:38<Chutt>captain_murdoch, you here?
14:49<Captain_Murdoch>yeah
14:51<Captain_Murdoch>Chutt: you here? :)
14:52<pahli_bar>you guys playing cat and mouse :)
14:52*Captain_Murdoch wonders if anyone wrote a dvdlabelgen like cdlabelgen that will make DVD case inserts so he can reuse these plastic cases that AOL insists on sending.
14:52<Chutt>yeah
14:52<Captain_Murdoch>pahli_bar: figured I'd respond the same way. :)
14:52<Chutt>i was just wanting to tell you that i'm applying andrew bishop's patch to videooutbase.cpp
14:52<Chutt>don't know if that conflicts with the stuff you were doing
14:53<Captain_Murdoch>how recent was that on the list?
14:53<Chutt>from the 1st
14:54<Captain_Murdoch>that the over/underscan stuff? shouldn't conflict at all from looking at it.
14:54<Chutt>ok, good
14:55<o_cee>great, now afterwards when i removed the blue background from gant people starts whining.. ah well
14:56<Chutt>o_cee, i would've removed it anyway for size reasons
14:56<warlord>Chutt: FWIW, my box stopped being able to REW after the ringbuffer wrapped. I suspect it's one of my changes, so I'm testing something else. is there a simple way to resize the ringbuffer smaller for testing from the frontend? or do I need to run the setup program?
14:56<thor_>pahli_bar, the scrolling thing looks nice
14:56<Captain_Murdoch>I'll merge my stuff in if it does. I'm hoping to commit tonight. have the commfree patch and recdups patch from the list as well as my recording groups playbackbox display patch and even added a simple zoom mode where you can zoom in and reposition the video on the screen. need to get the osd position fixed somehow. I noticed that when in the current letterbox modes and in my zoom the osd can go offscreen.
14:57<o_cee>Chutt: yeah.. and having two different colors for the background would be hard to maintain.
14:57<pahli_bar>thor_: hey. thanks
14:57<o_cee>pahli_bar: what scrolling thing?
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14:57<Chutt>captain_murdoch, cool, that's other stuff from my to-merge list
14:57<Chutt>less work for me =)
14:57<pahli_bar>thor_: as soon i get rid of your listview... i can rest in peace :)
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14:58<o_cee>Captain_Murdoch: zoom? cool, i've got that on my dvd, actually missed it in myth the other day..
14:58<Captain_Murdoch>also the alternate scene change detection patch which I'm going to clean up some before committing. that's what's holding me up right now. I want to commit this then commit that patch right after.
14:58<Chutt>great
14:58<thor_>heh .... I struggled for weeks to make one list view let you edir playlists, move them around, change order, and have playlists within playlists :-)
14:59<Chutt>oh yeah, that's true
14:59<Captain_Murdoch>o_cee, yeah. zoom up to 200%, zoom out 50%, then you can move the video around the screen while it's playing. either leave it zoomed or ESC back out and return to normal.
14:59<Chutt>the replacement selector needs to handle playlists
14:59<Captain_Murdoch>o_cee, you use XV for display?
14:59<pahli_bar>thor_: sorry. heh
14:59<thor_>its still ugly :-)
14:59<o_cee>Captain_Murdoch: very cool.. and yes
15:00<bma>hmm
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15:00<o_cee>Captain_Murdoch: any news on logo detection yet?
15:00<Captain_Murdoch>that's the only thing it's tested working with. I know it doesn't work on NO_XV mode.
15:00<bma>Chutt: I just had a popup ask me what I wanted to do with a show that was going to be recorded, and i said 'record and watch while recording' ... when it went to swithc channels mythtv exited
15:00<o_cee>Captain_Murdoch: okay.. planning on using the 350 tvout later on, but i'm using a regular graphics card at the moment
15:00<Chutt>bma, were you running mythtv, or mythfrontend?
15:00<bma>mythtv
15:00<Captain_Murdoch>haven't messed with it in a while. somebody was looking at my code a few weeks back, I emailed him a patch but haven't heard back. I haven't had much incentive to work on comm detection because it works for 90% of the shows I watch. :(
15:01<Chutt>don't :p
15:01<bma>heh
15:01<Chutt>it's just a light weight player app, it doesn't have a bunch of logic that mythfrontend has
15:01<o_cee>Captain_Murdoch: hehe :) okay.. as i've never used the comm stuff, i don't know what i'm missing out, hehe
15:01<bma>Chutt: ah
15:01<Captain_Murdoch>anybody know if the current letterbox modes work on the pvr-350? if so the zoom stuff should because it uses the same stuff. just offsets the starting position and the video size.
15:02<Chutt>the 'record and watch while recording' selection exits live-tv, then starts it back up again in playback-only mode, then switches back to live-tv after the recording's over
15:02<Chutt>captain_murdoch, nope, they don't
15:02<bma>Chutt: TiVo lets me go to what's recording directly when I click on watch live tv, why can't mythtv? *ducks*
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15:03<Chutt>because i made it so you can't
15:03<Chutt>and i'm mean
15:03<bma>heh
15:03<bma>well, I knew that
15:03<Captain_Murdoch>and won't accept any patches to do so...
15:03<Captain_Murdoch>:)
15:03<o_cee>that error message should print what's recording i think.. have to fix that someday
15:03<warlord>you're only mean sometimes, chutt ;)
15:04<Chutt>heh
15:04<o_cee>was that last commit to fix your problems warlord?
15:04<Chutt>only when i feel people are wasting my time
15:04<pahli_bar>i would take this level of meaness anyday :)
15:04<warlord>*nods*
15:04<warlord>did you see my question a couple pages up?
15:04<Chutt>oh, no
15:04<Chutt>you have to run setup
15:04<bma>Chutt: on the whole, I like it. :) i wish there was a way to toggle fullscreen mode on the fly though
15:04<warlord>Chutt: FWIW, my box stopped being able to REW after the ringbuffer wrapped. I suspect it's one of my changes, so I'm testing something else. is there a simple way to resize the ringbuffer smaller for testing from the frontend? or do I need to run the setup program?
15:04<Chutt>or just edit tv_rec
15:04<bma>instead of having to go through the prefs
15:05<warlord>Ok.
15:05<warlord>That's what I thought...
15:05<Chutt>(i'm currently running with a 100MB buffer)
15:05<Chutt>myself, since i'm trying to fix sfr's bug
15:05<Chutt>well, not just his, but..
15:05<o_cee>the prebuffering stuff?
15:05<Chutt>no, the mythbackend taking abnormally large amounts of cpu after a while, or after channel change
15:05<warlord>o_cee: yes, that last commit fixes some of my problem.. Trying to see if there is another problem too (or whether I introduced it myself)
15:06<o_cee>Chutt: ah dammit, forgot to run top when i had it in that mode before today.. i managed to get normal playback for a whle after jumping around
15:06<o_cee>(in the file that is)
15:06<o_cee>not on the floor :)
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15:11<Chutt>captain_murdoch, oh, about the commfree patch -- i just committed some stuff that did some database updates, so that'll probably conflict
15:11<Chutt>and can you de-tabify his code? =)
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15:14<Captain_Murdoch>Chutt: yeah, I always try to detabify. :) I'll make sure the db changes work. I usually try to keep my tree up to date with cvs then after everything works and I'm ready to commit I make a diff then apply that to a pristine cvs tree that I keep and commit off that .
15:15<Chutt>ah
15:15<Chutt>ok, cool
15:15<Chutt>just didn't want to cause you problems
15:15<Captain_Murdoch>thanks for the heads up.
15:21<warlord>Chutt: I added a bit more debugging and it looks like the gap between played/read is more like a wave.. it seems to fluctuate between about 30-60. (Once you skip-back you can't get as close to real-time as you would be if you hadn't skipped-back)
15:22<warlord>So I'm not 100% convinced it's actually growing -- would have to plot it and see.
15:23<Chutt>might just be due to small differences in bitrate
15:25<Chutt>think i may have fixed the high-cpu bug
15:25<Chutt>though i'm not completely certain yet
15:25<racer>pahli?
15:26<Chutt>libavformat's seek index stuff wasn't liking the continual streaming of new data
15:26<pahli_bar>racer: yes?
15:26<racer>saw my screenshots?
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15:26<pahli_bar>racer: oh. that was you.
15:26<racer>heh :)
15:26<racer>like it?
15:27<racer>maybe an idea for you!
15:27<pahli_bar>racer: yes. searching will have to wait till i get this current setup working.
15:27<pahli_bar>racer: shouldn't be difficult to add
15:28<racer>browsing by album is also nice! Let say it looks nice!
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15:30<racer>pahli: forgot to sent you one, interested/
15:30<racer>?
15:30<pahli_bar>racer: sure
15:31<racer>on its way
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15:34<McQuaid>hello all
15:35<McQuaid>since i upgraded to .14 i can't launch mythfrontend anymore, getting the error: access denied for user: mythtv@localhost using pass NO
15:35<McQuaid>i've since added myself to the mythtv group but didn't help. although I never previously had myself on the mythtv group and was able to launch it fine
15:38<[DOA]Tarkie>sounds like a MySQL error
15:38<killerbun>it is.
15:39<killerbun>it doesnt reconize the password/user for the mysql database
15:39<[DOA]Tarkie>did you install from CVS or packages?
15:40<warlord>Chutt: there's still something else going on now.. I can't rewind after the ringbuffer fills.
15:40<hadees>can you missmatch versions with a frontend and a backend? i want to run the current .14 frontend on a mythtv cvs backend
15:41<warlord>let me make sure it's not one of my changes...
15:41<[DOA]Tarkie>McQuaid, check out http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html
15:41<pahli_bar>racer: got it. good ideas overall.
15:43<kvandivo>hadees: that is destined to fail. if not today, tomorrow.
15:44<hadees>yeah i know... i want to use my laptop as a frontend also
15:44<hadees>i guess i'll go with cvs also just a pain to keep the ebuilds up to date
15:45<McQuaid>yeah i tried that stuff and still can't seem to access it
15:46<McQuaid>i tried the grant all on mythconverg... i tried it as is and also tried it with identified by "mcquaid";
15:46<warlord>Chutt: yea, it was definitely one of my changes..
15:47<Chutt>great, not my fault =)
15:48<McQuaid>oh and missed your question earlier, i installed from apt-get not cvs but just from the sid depositiory
15:49<McQuaid>and apt-get spit out the access denied while upgrading as well, i'd prefer if it would upgrade cleanly, if there is somewhere to avoid this for future upgrades
15:49<Chutt>you gave it a bad password or whatnot.
15:50<Chutt>when setting up mythtv to talk to the database.
15:50<McQuaid>well i can get into mysql when i pass the -p option and input my password
15:51<McQuaid>i don't get where the password comes into play when actually launching mythfrontend
15:51<McQuaid>i was having this same problem when i first installed myth, and i just commented out the pass in the mysql.txt file and then it just worked for any user
15:53<Chutt>so basically, you broke it.
15:53<Chutt>fix the details in mysql.txt
15:53<Chutt>and it will work.
15:54<McQuaid>well what just uncomment the pass? that did nothing for me
15:54<warlord>nope, not your fault. :)
15:55<warlord>now to figure out what *I* did...
15:55<Chutt>no, give it the correct password.
15:55<Chutt>since it's telling you that the password you're using (ie, empty) is wrong
15:55<Chutt>i thought that would be pretty obvious
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15:58<bma>Chutt: hey, do I need to do anything beyond hitting space/enter in a recording for it to go tot he position automatically from watch recordings?
15:58<Chutt>nope
15:58<bma>well, in that case it's not workin'
15:58<Chutt>should say 'position saved'
15:58<bma>it does.
15:58<Chutt>has to be a finished recording, as well
15:58<bma>oh
15:59<bma>that could be it.
15:59<McQuaid>i changed the pass that works when i login to mysql but same thing
15:59<bma>does it write the bookmark to the file, or the db?
15:59<McQuaid>well same error but using pass: YES
15:59<Chutt>mcquiad, you didn't use the right password, obviously.
15:59<Chutt>for that particular username.
15:59<Chutt>bma, db
16:00<Chutt>bma, but for analog recordings, it wants the entire file recorded before it'll do that
16:00<bma>seems silly
16:00<Chutt>i don't really touch the analog recording stuff
16:01<McQuaid>hmm, ok where does mysql stores passes so i can see what exactly is going on
16:01<Chutt>it needs updated to a newer framework that's in place for the mpegrecorder stuff
16:01<pahli_bar>hmm... looks like the scrollview would have to be made a themeddialog
16:01<Chutt>mcquaid, see the topic?
16:01<Rule>Is there currently a commercial cut (qs in, cut from mpeg file, not just mark) functionality in mythtv ? I've read some stuff on the ml about mpeg2>mpeg2 etc, not sure if any 'chop' function is present..
16:01<McQuaid>ok i'll stop asking
16:02<Rule>s/qs/as
16:02<bma>Chutt: what's the alternative to analog, dvb?
16:02<Chutt>the pvr-x50 cards
16:02<McQuaid>but i've been searching for awhile and still haven't figured it out, there really needs to be a good mysql troubleshooting article concerning mythtv
16:02<Chutt>mcquaid, no, there doesn't
16:02<McQuaid>whenever i figure this stuff out i'd gladly write one
16:02<Chutt>you just need to not fuck with it, and it will do the right thing
16:02<pahli_bar>McQuaid: do we hear you volunteering...
16:02<Chutt>you fucked with it, so it broke
16:03<McQuaid>all i put it was one # symbol and have removed it
16:03<Chutt>that's wonderful
16:04<McQuaid>and as i said everything was working fine until upgrading then the problems started
16:04<Chutt>because the upgrade assumed you hadn't fucked with things.
16:04<McQuaid>but as i said i get the hint, i'll stop inquiring here about problems
16:05<thor_>how can I possibly have 102 unread -user messages ?
16:05<Chutt>thor, you didn't check your mail for a day :p
16:05<thor_>12 hours
16:05<thor_>unbefrigginleavable
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16:06<Spida>thor_: just 102? slow ML... try lkml, gentoo-users, postfix-users, or even php-users
16:07<thor_>sure, but how many people develop code for php or "gentoo" ?
16:10<Spida>thor_: #gentoo has 864 people in it. don't know how many devs exist
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16:11<Chutt>let's compare more apples and oranges
16:11<Chutt>shall we?
16:11<Spida>ok.
16:12<Spida>I have some apples here *g*
16:12<Spida>my apples do 300-400 mails per day
16:12<Spida>ok
16:12<Spida>I'll stop
16:15<pahli_bar>how much overscan to assume with 800x600. ive been using 20 till now.
16:15<Chutt>for the edges?
16:15<pahli_bar>yes
16:16<Chutt>that's a little low, but probably should be just fine
16:16<pahli_bar>ok
16:16<pahli_bar>heh. haven't heard anyone complaining, so should be ok
16:16<Chutt>yup
16:19<kvandivo>what would be better? 30, 40?
16:19<Chutt>5%
16:19<FryGuy>is it possible to use lirc without a remote?
16:20<kvandivo>wow... 30 AND 40.. I'm good. :)
16:20*pahli_bar is in awe at kvandivo's abilities
16:22<kvandivo>at any rate, i'll make sure that the ranking stuff conforms to that..
16:23<pahli_bar>40 on each side. wow you are left only with 720x520 to play with
16:23<Chutt>yeah, so keep it to 20
16:24<pahli_bar>will do
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16:25<pahli_bar>wonder why valgrind always segfaults on exiting mythfrontend
16:26<Chutt>makes leak detection a tad difficult =)
16:26<pahli_bar>it prints all the leak info stuff before crapping out.
16:26<Chutt>it does? hm
16:27<Chutt>dies here before that
16:27<Spida>is it possible to change the language of mythfrontend/ the modules?
16:27<pahli_bar>let me check
16:27<Chutt>spida, appearance settings.
16:27<hadees>FryGuy: what would you use with lirc instead of a remote?
16:27<Spida>hadees: network
16:27<pahli_bar>yeah, it dumps the leak info before dying
16:28<pahli_bar>atleast here
16:28<hadees>Spida: you mean controll myth through a network, you can't do it yet but you will be able to
16:28<hadees>i think with mfd (i think thats the name of it)
16:28<pahli_bar>heh. should run valgrind within valgrind to see whats happening
16:29<Spida>hadees: just an idea, send remote commands via network to control myth...
16:30<Spida>hadees: don't know if that makes sense, though
16:30<pahli_bar>Spida: you don't use lirc for that.
16:30<hadees>yeah you wouldn't need lirc
16:30<pahli_bar>Spida: see what L.I.R.C. means
16:31<hadees>you would need a program like netremote.org or somthing else written just for mythtv
16:31<Spida>Chutt: I changed the language there, and the new language is displayed there, but everything is still english
16:31<FryGuy>yes that's what I want to do
16:31<FryGuy>my keyboard is in the closet
16:31<FryGuy>and it's difficult to get to
16:31<FryGuy>but the tv is visible from my other computer
16:31<hadees>FryGuy: well a remote would let you control it even if your keyboard is in the closet
16:31<pahli_bar>FryGuy: again lirc is not the solution here.
16:31<FryGuy>i don't have another serial port free
16:31<Spida>pahli_bar: why? lircd manpage lists
16:31<Spida> -c --connect=host[:port]
16:31<Spida> connect to remote lircd server
16:32<Spida>as command parameter...
16:32<hadees>FryGuy: get like a Irman and it hooks up to your serial port and has a decent lenght wire
16:32<pahli_bar>Spida: what are you trying to do?
16:32<FryGuy>and the ir receiver i made doesn't work
16:32<FryGuy>(FryGuy): i don't have another serial port free
16:32<pahli_bar>FryGuy: or there are usb solutions
16:32<Chutt>spida, so, fix up the translation. they're not all at the same stage of completion.
16:32<Spida>pahli_bar: I am not trying to do that, I was just thinking about the possibility to do it
16:32<thor_>holy crap, that xbox theme is very cool looking
16:33<pahli_bar>FryGuy: streamzap has a usb receiver-remote...
16:33<Spida>Chutt: is the translation theme-dependent?
16:33<McQuaid>i was going to try building this one: http://www.manoweb.com/alesan/lirc/cocoon/
16:33<pahli_bar>Spida: that was irrelevant to what FryGuy was trying to do
16:33<Spida>Chutt: where do I have to fix it?
16:33<hadees>I like the visor theme
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16:33<Chutt>spida, no, it's not theme dependent.
16:34<McQuaid>not sure if it's just made for laptops though with it just being built into the serial box with no wire
16:34<Chutt>read about qt linguist
16:34<Chutt>then it's just the i18n/ directory for each module
16:35<hadees>thor_: where is the xbox theme?
16:35<pahli_bar>McQuaid: get hold of a serial cable if you want to use it with a desktop
16:35<Spida>Chutt: ok, will do it, when I find some time... exams coming up and such
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16:36<thor_>hadees, mailing list
16:37<FryGuy>mcquaid: that's what I did..
16:37<FryGuy>it didn't work for me, although it might be because of the ir sensor I got
16:38<hadees>man i need a better mailing service, free register.com mail an't cutting it anymore
16:38<thor_>http://home.bham.rr.com/bradleyspace/myth
16:39<Spida>Chutt: do you have an idea (without having to do research) how many strings have to be translated?
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16:40<hadees>thor_: thanks
16:41<Chutt>which translation?
16:42<McQuaid>FryGuy: the page linked to in the art: http://www.lirc.org/receivers.html has others that are known to work. it mentions they should be 38Khz as most remotes use that
16:42<warlord>Chutt: ok, there is definitely a RW/FF problem in the code with liveTV. If you let the ringbuffer wrap twice it will fail to be able to rewind anymore.
16:42<Chutt>you sure?
16:42<Chutt>i was doing that quite happily a little earlier
16:42<Chutt>was working fine..
16:43<warlord>are you sure you let the ringbuffer wrap twice before you attempted any movement?
16:43<Spida>Chutt: everything, german
16:43<Chutt>the german translation has 184 strings left in the main mythtv module
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16:44<Chutt>there are 892 messages total in that module
16:44<Chutt>i don't feel like going through the rest of them
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16:48<Spida>Chutt: is there any resource I should look at for doing the translation? is there a guide and or howto for that qt linguist?
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16:50<pahli_bar>Spida: www.trolltech.com will be a good start. look under the developers section
16:51<Spida>ok
16:52<pahli_bar>bbl
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16:55<hadees>how much the diffrent players were taken out of mythdvd?
16:55<hadees>anyway i just want to use ogle, it was just ogle right nothing after it
16:55<hadees>how much = how come
16:56<thor_>because it was (almost) impossible to change the settings when it was 3 hard coded alternatives
16:56<hadees>ah, okay
16:56<thor_>run ogle from the command line, get it to do exactly what you want, put that into the command string setting
16:57<warlord>Chutt: DoRewind get's called, but it looks like the current key position is bogus:
16:57<warlord>DoRewind: desired=9698, keyPos=80535590, curPos=296937510, curKeyPos=85354534, diff=-216401920
16:57<Rule>erm what is the .map file created by mythtranscode ?
16:58<Chutt>how's that bogus?
16:59<Slaytanic>Excuse me for asking... But apt-get install nvidia-graphics4363-kmdl-`uname -r` gives me "nvidia-graphics4363-kmdl = 1:1.0_4363-45.rhfc1.at is needed by (installed) nvidia-graphics4363-1.0_4363-45.rhfc1.at" and fails - how can I resolve this? I apt-get:ed 0.14 and some modules and then all kinds of problems appeared...
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16:59<warlord>hmm...
16:59<Chutt>slaytanic, ask on the mailing lists.
16:59<Chutt>list, rather
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17:00<Slaytanic>Ok, will do. Thought that someone here might have an easy solution... Yeah, I won't bother the devlist about this. .)
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17:00<hadees>anyone here use dvd menus with mplayer?
17:02<warlord>Chutt: Hmm, let me figure out the answer to that.. ;)
17:04<Chutt>heh
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17:07<warlord>Ok, more info..
17:08<warlord>after the ringbuffer wraps twice and I try to rewind, it loses in the GetFreeSpaceWithReadChange(diff) loop and exits without adjusting because lastKey > storelastKey (in this case 5700 > 5685)
17:08<warlord>DoRewind: desired=5546, keyPos=62507046, curPos=173936678, curKeyPos=67229734, diff=-111429632
17:08<warlord>DoRewind: leaving: 5700 > 5685
17:11<Chutt>well, next would be to figure out why the GetFreeSpaceWithReadChange isn't saying there's space
17:11<warlord>Yep.
17:11<warlord>Working on that.
17:12<[DOA]Tarkie>LOL : poor tivo users : http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/nfl/20040203-0959-ca-tivo-janetjackson.html
17:13<o_cee>"measured by TiVo Inc. in its short history." wtf is that? is that mandatory when using it?
17:13<o_cee>ah, 20000 households,, ah well :)
17:14<warlord>yes
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17:19<warlord>Chutt: No, currpos is definitely wrong..
17:19<warlord>it's greater that the size of my ring buffer file.
17:19<warlord>DoRewind: desired=4301, keyPos=25059366, curPos=135561216, curKeyPos=29560870, diff=-110501850
17:20<warlord>Curpos is 135MB, but my file is only 100MB
17:21<warlord>It looks like it gets the first wrap-around fine, but fails on the second wrap.
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17:25<Chutt>kernel: __alloc_pages: 0-order allocation failed (gfp=0x1f0/0)
17:25<Chutt>whee
17:25<warlord>Oops
17:27<Chutt>warlord, there's two instances of GetReadPosition() in ivtvdecoder.cpp
17:27<Chutt>change them to GetTotalReadPosition()
17:27<pahli_bar>there goes his claim of mythtv not being able to crash your kernel
17:27<Chutt>see if that fixes it
17:27<Chutt>that was ivtv :p
17:28<pahli_bar>nice.. blame it on the other guy
17:28<Chutt>i blame everything on tmk
17:28<kvandivo>the buck stops...... there
17:28<pahli_bar>heh
17:28<Chutt>warlord, i believe that that GetReadPosition vs GetTotalReadPosition is the problem
17:28<warlord>HEH. Trying..
17:29<warlord>Chutt: ok, trying it...
17:29<warlord>I'll know in about 5 minutes.
17:33<kvandivo>chutt, if you had a dollar for every post to the lists about "is this hardware configuration good", you'd be a rich man..
17:33<warlord>hehe
17:34<warlord>Chutt: looking good!!!
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17:34<Salec>hey guys i'm having a problem with 0.14
17:34*kvandivo gasps.
17:34<Salec>when i startup the backend i get a mysql error
17:34<o_cee>oh no
17:34<o_cee>check topic
17:34<Salec>unknown column 'dvb_wait_for_seqstart' in 'field list'
17:34<Salec>:)
17:35<warlord>Chutt: yep, that fixed it. :)
17:35<Salec>what it is? an idle chan :-P
17:36<Chutt>salec, no, it's a development channel
17:36<Chutt>warlord, fixed it in cvs, then
17:37<warlord>Chutt: cool. thanks.
17:37<Chutt>anything else? :p
17:38<warlord>my last major issue is with tmk
17:38<o_cee>anything? :)
17:38<kvandivo>take your pick.. http://www.ks.uiuc.edu/~kvandivo/mythtv/plans.txt
17:38<warlord>I'll let you know next time the wife (or I) finds something.. :)
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17:38<Chutt>kvandivo, that's your list :p
17:38<kvandivo>doh!
17:39<o_cee>a <activated> thingie to theme.xml would be very nice, instead of it just going de-selected.. :)
17:39<Chutt>kvandivo, 6 is done, i think i fixed 5 as well
17:40<kvandivo>oh ya? i haven't looked through those recently.. thanks.. i'll update that
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17:40<warlord>Chutt: do you want this patch to consolidate ReadWrite() into a single code-path instead of two pairs of equivalent code-paths?
17:40<Chutt>err, maybe 5 isn't
17:40<Chutt>warlord, eh, i dunno
17:40<Chutt>i think the current stuff's ok
17:41<warlord>IMHO it makes the code easier to read/follow
17:41<kvandivo>i've got 5 half fixed in my dev copy.. it's a tricky one
17:41<Chutt>14 is
17:42<o_cee>11: "thor's suggestion, also have a link the other way, from mythweb to 6544." is done
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17:44<kvandivo>actually, i don't have 5 half fixed.. I've got 8 half fixed..
17:44<o_cee>hey, i'm in your list :)
17:45<o_cee>that's not the case?
17:45<kvandivo>:) i give credit where credit is due. or at least i try
17:45<o_cee>heh ;)
17:45<pahli_bar>add one more: track user behavior
17:45<o_cee>pahli_bar: good one
17:45<o_cee>we really need to know how many watched janets boob
17:46<r00fus>when the knopp myth disc says it only acts as a front end, does that mean if you just run it
17:46<r00fus>but the installs will put the backend also?
17:47<o_cee>this isn't #knoppmyth, i'm sure most people in here run cvs
17:47<r00fus>sorry
17:47<o_cee>:)
17:48<o_cee>try the knoppmyth forum
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17:59<TruinWORK>greetings
18:00TruinWORKis now known as Truin
18:00<Truin>grr.
18:00<Truin>so, anyway, I take it that the whole "mouse dissappears after shutting down front end" thing is already a known issue?
18:01<o_cee>why'd you want to do that? :)
18:02<NiteOwl>Hi everyone...i'm so frustrated - it seems impossible to get mythtv going and I seem so close
18:02<Truin>NiteOwl: what seems to be the problem?
18:02<o_cee>ivtv issue
18:02<Truin>ok. I'm using ivtv 0.1.9, no problems here.
18:03<Truin>Can you elaborate? ;)
18:03<NiteOwl>o_cee: yes, it may be but all the tests from the tvout walkththrough say ivtv is fine, I can play
18:03<NiteOwl>to it through the framebuffer with dd
18:03<NiteOwl>and the output is on the tv
18:03<Truin>ah. using a pvr-350, issues with the tv-out?
18:03<NiteOwl>yup
18:04<Truin>pooh. Can't help ya. :( I got a 250, and use my GeForce for tv-out. :(
18:04<NiteOwl>myth 0.14, ivtv 0.1.9
18:04<NiteOwl>fresh rh 9 install last night, atrpms
18:04<Truin>yeah, I just upped the core and all the modules to 0.14 last night - having a mouse problem now.
18:06<NiteOwl>the frontend gives log messages indicating that it is trying to use the X extension Xv and not finding it...it shouldn't be trying this- this is a framebuffer
18:06<NiteOwl>Is a celeron 1.7Ghz fast enough for live tv?
18:07<Truin>NiteOwl: yes, a 1.7GHz is plenty fast enough.
18:07<NiteOwl>that
18:07<NiteOwl>that's what i thought...
18:07<Truin>who the heck put the apostraphe so close to the enter, huh? CURSE THEM!
18:07<NiteOwl>:-) indeed
18:07<Rule>"curse these chubby fingers !"
18:07<Rule>:)
18:08<Truin>Rule: :)
18:08<NiteOwl>i don't even touch type using the "proper" homerow method.
18:08<o_cee>NiteOwl: you positive you activated 350 tvout in the menus?
18:08<Truin>anyway, like I said, I have a 250, so I have the encoding, but software decoding. I'm running on a 400MHz AMD K6/2, and it works fine. OSD tends to cause frame drop, and it takes forever for the programming menu to come up, but I use my box mainly for recording anyway, so I don't care.
18:09<Rule>hehe running on a nice'n cool epia here
18:09<Truin>a 1.7 should be more than sufficient, especially considering the hardware decoding of the 350.
18:09<NiteOwl>o_cee: yes. Unless it matters where I am when I do it. The setup screen on the tv is not quite centered so there is stuff to the left of the left edge. Rather than deal with this, I usually login over ssh and run mythfrontend with the display on my other machine and use it to set things
18:09<Rule>but then again, that's with pvr350
18:10<NiteOwl>yes, i have a pvr350
18:10<Truin>NiteOwl: provided it all talks to the same database, shouldn't matter where you do the configs from.
18:10<Rule>NiteOwl : is X starting ok ? do you see anything on the screen ?
18:10<o_cee>NiteOwl: when you activate it, you should see a setting about transparency in the box in the middle. remember to go thro all pages until you get to finish
18:10<NiteOwl>i know. and yes it is same db
18:10<Chutt>niteowl, all you have to do is tell it to use the pvr-350 decoder.
18:10<Chutt>like it says in the ivtv wiki
18:11<Truin>greetings Chutt. :)
18:11<Chutt>i wish people would read docs before wasting other people's time
18:11<NiteOwl>o_cee: i saw the the transparency setting. I will do it one more time to be sure, and I will be careful to click next until I get to the finish button
18:12<NiteOwl>Chutt: I've spent the last 4 days reading and working on this almost continuously
18:12<Chutt>that's nice
18:12<NiteOwl>Chutt: i did read the tvout faq, and numerous other docs
18:12<Chutt>but you didn't do what they say
18:12<NiteOwl>also the tvout wiki page to which you refer
18:13<Chutt>that's the key part of reading instructions
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18:14<Chutt>why the fuck are you messaging me?
18:15<warlord>uh oh... someone's in trouble now...
18:15<Chutt>i already _told_ you what part you didn't read
18:15<Chutt>but apparently you missed that
18:16*thor notices a huge dust bunny under his desk
18:16<NiteOwl>I have checked the pvr tvout setting several times and just checked it again - it is checked
18:16<Chutt>the only way it'll fall back to xv mode is if you didn't tell it to use the decoder
18:16<Chutt>or if you're trying to play non-mpeg2 material
18:16<Chutt>that's _it_
18:17<Chutt>or if you have the wrong ivtv version or it can't open the decoder device
18:17<Chutt>but those should be obvious to any idiot
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18:20<NiteOwl>I think it's safe to say the content is mpeg2, since I'm in livetv mode - would you say so?
18:21<Truin>no
18:21<Truin>oops. wrong window
18:21<Chutt>not if you have more than one card
18:21<Chutt>so no, that's not safe to say
18:21<NiteOwl>only one card here
18:22<NiteOwl>how can I tell if I have the right version of ivtv? I have 0.1.9 from the atrpms which is reported to work well with mythtv
18:23<Chutt>if mythfrontend doesn't complain that you have an old version, you're fine
18:25<NiteOwl>the lofgile shows no complaints at startup. it does mention a "inappropriate ioctl for device msg"
18:25<Chutt>and the entire text of that message is?
18:25<NiteOwl>err no complaints about version ...it does complain about a missing lirc config file and a few other things
18:26<Chutt>generally, error messages are bad
18:26<Chutt>and it's a good idea to try to resolve them before continuing on
18:26<NiteOwl>VIDIOC_QUERYCAP: Inappropriate ioctl for device
18:26<NiteOwl>VIDIOC_G_STD: Inappropriate ioctl for device
18:27<Chutt>you've got the decoder set to the wrong device in settings.
18:27<Chutt>or /dev/video16 isn't set to the right major/minor numbers.
18:27<NiteOwl>ok...
18:28<o_cee>g'night all, getting late here because people can't read.. bye bye
18:28<NiteOwl>that's odd... /dev/video16 used to be a device - it's not
18:28<NiteOwl>let me fix that...
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18:35<NiteOwl>ok fixed that device...rebooting to test
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18:40<NiteOwl>Amazing, absolutely amazing...IT'S FINALLY WORKING!
18:41<NiteOwl>The video is slightly jittery but I can turn on deinterlace and jitter filters!
18:41<NiteOwl>Thank you Chutt!!!!
18:41<NiteOwl>all because of a messed up device file
18:41<warlord>NiteOwl: you now owe chutt your first-born
18:42<NiteOwl>sounds like it...I snapped at him just a bit too quickly
18:42<Truin>see what investigating error messages will get ya? ;)
18:42*Truin nods at warlord
18:43<NiteOwl>anyone know how to calculate a proper offset for the settings page or is that usually done trial and error
18:43<Truin>offset?
18:43<NiteOwl>i was looking up all sorts of other error messages - it's hard to tell which one is the most likely to be the one to help
18:43<steelep>amountofoverscan/2
18:43<warlord>NiteOwl: I can send you mine. Stdby..
18:43<NiteOwl>thankx!
18:44<warlord>NiteOwl: I use 0 648 440 36 18
18:44<Truin>yeah... the test_ioctl is a biggie, tho. That's what's used to control the options in the card.
18:45<NiteOwl>warlord: so just enter those in the settings page of myth?
18:45<warlord>yes, those are the Gui width/height/offsetx/offsety
18:45<warlord>(ignoring the 0)
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18:49<overridex>hey guys, my power went out - is there anyway i can set my tv tuner's channel to 3 from the command line?
18:49<Truin>ptune 3
18:49<Truin>ptune.pl 3
18:49<Truin>or whatever your chanel changing script is.
18:50<overridex>that's the thing
18:50<Truin>ptune.pl is what comes with the ivtv module.
18:50<overridex>my script's fine for changing my cable box...
18:50<overridex>it's my actual tv card needs to be on 3 to get the cable box's single
18:50<Truin>what kind of cable box? Doing it through serial cable?
18:50<overridex>signal*
18:50<Truin>sorry. I have digital cable, and hadn't figured out how to control it from the PC outside of using a serial IR solution.
18:51<overridex>so changing in mythtv is changing the cable box, but not my tv tuner card... so i'm just getting a green screen if you follow me... changing it with tvtime fixed it, but i figure i should put something in my startup scripts for when the power goes out
18:51<Truin>what kind of tvcard? Using ivtv or bttv?
18:51<overridex>bttv
18:51<Truin>hm. can't you pass an option to xawtv or something like that?
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18:57<hadees>wow, now there are really 4 diffrent mythtv channels #mythtv #ivtv-dev #mytht-users #knoppmyth
18:57<warlord>ivtv-dev isn't a mythtv channel
18:57<josephk>so the pvr 350 seems to handle divx just fine with the mplayer patch
18:57<josephk>of course it
18:58<hadees>warlord: close enough not alot of people using ivtv for anything else are they?
18:58<josephk>'s using lavc to convert it to mpeg1
18:58<warlord>hadees: actually, there are.
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18:58<hadees>really? who are what are the projects? freevo? tvtime?
18:59<hadees>most of the errors people talk about in ivtv-dev are myth related
18:59<warlord>someone was doing an ivtv-based videolan
18:59<hadees>but mabey thats just because thats what i looking at
18:59<warlord>could be.
18:59<thor>most of the errors people talk about on mythtv-users and ivtv related
18:59<thor>are
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19:03<josephk>so yeah, I was like all excited when I realized I could play Divx with the pvr350 and an mpeg filter, so I set it up and was all like "Damn, I forgot I'm using the 350 as an X display...I need to change alpha states...lol
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19:15<rkulagow>chutt: did you apply Christian Hoenigs patch for shutdown and wakeup? i saw that there was a change in mysql.txt; if you've accepted all of it i'll get his updated instructions into the HOWTO.
19:16<mattfelsen>what exactly does xvmc do?
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19:22<EdFred>hello anyone. Can someone point me to information about rs232 interface to motorola DCT2000. Want to write some code to control channels... I've seen dct-channel, but have a different need ?????
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19:36<hadees>how does mfd recieve commands throught the network?
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19:38<Truin>hadees: I believe you can telnet to it.
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19:43<Chutt>rkulagow, yes i did
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19:45*pahli_bar loves bitblt
19:49<pahli_bar>does pvr350 fb support alpha?
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19:49<Chutt>yeah, but the X stuff doesn't use it
19:49<Chutt>the X fbdev driver uses ShadowFB
19:49<Chutt>which handles all the alpha blending in software
19:49<pahli_bar>Chutt: ah.
19:50<Chutt>so stuff still looks ok, it's just slower than it really has to be
19:50<pahli_bar>in any case render is slow on most cards. even with GF3 Ti you can see it creep
19:50<Chutt>yeah
19:50<Chutt>they really need to optimize the software fallbacks
19:51<pahli_bar>i think the f.d.o guys are working on it.
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20:04<fulbert>I've switched the IP addresses on my backend and frontend systems, and now the whole system is insane, are there documented steps to solve a IP change?
20:04<Chutt>there's documented steps on how to change hostnames
20:04<Chutt>ip addresses don't matter except in the backend setup
20:05<fulbert>my hostnames and dns still match, just new IPs, I went into the mythtvsetup and changed that stuff before I ran with the new IPs
20:08<pahli_bar>what color role should i grab for scrollview background if somehow we are not able to grab the backgroundpixmap
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20:08<pahli_bar>i was thinking light
20:08<EdFred>anyone know of other irc chans that I might be able to speak to someone about DCT2000 set top box
20:09<Chutt>isn't there a background color?
20:09<Chutt>defined somewhere?
20:09<pahli_bar>searching...
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20:11<fulbert>chutt: when you say IPs matter for the backend can you elaborate?
20:12<pahli_bar>fulbert: its in the docs. RTFM
20:12<pahli_bar>Chutt: nope. setpalette is private in mythcontext
20:12<Chutt>just that page of the backend setting
20:12<Chutt>is the only place that i know of that has ip addresses
20:13<fulbert>and I've changed that, it seems to fire up like normal, but when a recording is scheduled, it does nothing, than maybe 20 minutes later I get "QDate::setYMD: Invalid date 2935-93-02" or something like that on the console with -v all.
20:13<pahli_bar>ah well. i will just use base. should be a highly unlikey scenario
20:14<Chutt>fulbert, dunno, then
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20:14<Chutt>pahli_bar, yup =)
20:15<fulbert>*shrug* ok, time to re-install ;-)
20:15<Chutt>it used to be possible not to have a background image, but everything has one nowadays
20:15<pahli_bar>scrolldialog ready. onto adding pixmap/triple-state support to listbtntype
20:16<Chutt>cool
20:16<Chutt>i'm _almost_ caught up with patch applying
20:17<pahli_bar>heh
20:17<FryGuy>did you see my one-liner for mythweb?
20:17<FryGuy>the mythweb guy hasn't answered yet unfortunately
20:17<Chutt>fryguy, i don't generally do mythweb changes, i let chris petersen handle them
20:18<FryGuy>should I email it to him directly or should he see it on the dev list?
20:19<Chutt>i'd say give him a few more days, then email him directly
20:19<Chutt>he doesn't always have time to handle stuff right away
20:19<FryGuy>ok
20:21<Zeiss>Are there any video codecs that you need but aren't in the gentoo "emerge mythtv" kit?
20:21<Zeiss>I ask because I get "unknown video codec" from the backend, and then it segfaults.
20:22<Chutt>zeiss, use 0.14.
20:23<Zeiss>darn... the emerge portage is behind the queue. Oh well.
20:23<Chutt>it's in unstable
20:23<Chutt>iirc
20:23<Chutt>masked or whatnot
20:27<Zeiss>OK, is there an easy emerge to add the needed codecs? Or is 0.14 my only prayer? (I haven't been on gentoo long, so it would take a bit of stdying to get it straightned out.
20:28<Chutt>use 0.14
20:28<Chutt>it's not a codec missing, it's you not reading the setup docs, really
20:28<Chutt>0.14 makes it more clear what you didn't do
20:28<Zeiss>OK. Guess I better figure out how to do the unmask.
20:29<thor>that would make more sense if your nick were Zorri
20:29<thor>Zorro
20:34<pahli_bar>bbl
20:36<fulbert>I think I solved the re IP problem.
20:36<fulbert>I don't know what the SQL time error was caused by
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20:37<fulbert>but when I removed a route I had seutp to a 10. network, the backend started to behave normal again
20:37<livesN[box]>hello, is anyone in here familiar with using lirc to control an ir transmitter via serial port ?
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20:43<Truin>hirrah! erm. Harrih! close enough.
20:44<enki>hey, i need to get an ir receiver/remote ... is there a good combo thats compatible w/ lirc, relatively cheap and decent features/little hassle anyone can recommend?
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20:53<hadees>enki: i like irman
20:53<hadees>you just need libirman for it to work with lirc
20:54*enki nods
20:54<enki>is it open sourced or binaries?
20:54<hadees>not sure if it is opensourced but you can get it free
20:54*enki nods
20:55<enki>their remote doesnt have enough buttons!
20:55<hadees>irman?
20:55<hadees>you can use any remote with irman
20:55<enki>altho i was thinking about that..and whatre the odds of me really using all the buttons
20:55<enki>oh yeah?
20:55<hadees>ir recivers can use any remote
20:55<enki>ok
20:55<hadees>some come prepackaged with remotes though
20:55<enki>then thats half the equation
20:55<enki>yeah the ones they have ont he website are kinda blah
20:56<hadees>with an irman you can find the right remote for you
20:56<hadees>as long as the remote emits the standard freq
21:03<livesN[box]>anyone know anything about making ir transmitters?
21:03<livesN[box]>for use with lirc/serial port ?
21:11<mattfelsen>www.lirc.org has lots of info and lots of links to sites with info on building ir receivers/transmitters/transceivers
21:11<mattfelsen>and as for a remote, i'm buying an rca d770
21:11<mattfelsen>found one for about $22 or so shipped
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21:18<thor>does a QString::local8Bit() always produce a C string of QString.length() ?
21:18<Zeiss>Hmmm... should mythfilldatabase take about ten seconds per channel, yet pull only one day's worth of programming?
21:18<Chutt>thor, i'd have no idea
21:19<thor>harumph
21:19<Chutt>i wouldn't think so, though
21:19<thor>no
21:20<thor>doesn't seem likely
21:23<kslater>I need some help recovering from the "files moved situation" from Saturday's cvs
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21:25<Chutt>what files moved?
21:26<kslater>don't know. wasn't there a mixup with settings.pro? yesterday myth wouldn't find the plugins, today it's not able to find mysql.txt.
21:27<Chutt>nope, everything's fine
21:28<Chutt>if you have a set of binaries in /usr, and not /usr/local, remove the ones from /usr
21:29<kslater>I did have a set in /usr/bin, when I rebuilt mythtv at 9p, it built into /usr/local/bin. is that what you mean?
21:30<Chutt>yup
21:31<Chutt>you have to remove the stuff that went into /usr
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21:32<kslater>those files that went into /usr were then looking for config files at /usr/share/mythtv rather than /usr/local/share/mythtv too, right?
21:32<Chutt>yup
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21:40<mattfelsen>chutt, how would you add another keybinding context?
21:41<mattfelsen>add the info to the keybindings table and then do all the reg_keys in the file that will use them?
21:41<Chutt>just need to do the reg_keys
21:42<Chutt>don't need to touch the table itself
21:42<mattfelsen>ok...
21:42<mattfelsen>fyi, i'm going to (try to) add an epg context
21:43<Chutt>does there need to be one?
21:43<Chutt>i had thought about that when i was doing things originally, and didn't see a need
21:43<mattfelsen>well i want the arrow keys to work as they do now, but i want the chan up/down buttons to act as page up/down
21:44<mattfelsen>but if i change the channel button bindings, then they'll be jumping ahead/back in playback
21:44<mattfelsen>and live tv
21:44<Chutt>ah
21:44<thor>this sounds familiar
21:45<mattfelsen>i mentioned it the other day...not sure if it was you was discussing it with, thor
21:45<thor>think so
21:45<Chutt>what do you have channel up/down bound to, key wise?
21:45<mattfelsen>up arrow & down arrow
21:46<Chutt>why don't you change those to different buttons?
21:46<mattfelsen>such as?
21:47<Chutt>i think you can probably get things working as you want without a new context
21:47<Chutt>anything unused
21:47<Chutt>since the epg is already in a different context than video playback
21:47<mattfelsen>well wouldn't it have to be page up/down?
21:47<Chutt>uh, no
21:47<Chutt>for example, the default is to also have 3/9 be page up/down
21:47<Chutt>in the epg
21:48<Chutt>you can set anything up to be page up/down :p
21:48<mattfelsen>well i'd like it to be those channel buttons...that's how all of our satellite receivers work and my parents are used to it
21:48<Chutt>right
21:48<Chutt>you can do it
21:49<thor>make the channel up/down's send different keys
21:49<thor>then bind those keys differently in each context
21:49<Chutt>bind those keys to channel/up down in the tv playback context
21:49<Chutt>and page up/down in the TV Frontend context
21:49<Chutt>problem solved
21:49<mattfelsen>aahhh ok
21:49<thor>happy rentals :-)
21:52<mattfelsen>is there a list of the key names for .lircrc?
21:52<Chutt>in the lirc docs, iirc
21:53<kslater>so chutt, if you'll humor a doofus for a minute - I deleted /usr/bin/myth* and /usr/share/myth*, did a cvs update, make distclean, make, make install and when I ran mythbackend, it complained that it couldn't find mysql.txt?!
21:54<kslater>as if it was still looking in the wrong place.
21:56<Chutt>i dunno
21:56<kslater>libraries still in the wrong place maybe?
21:56<Omnic>likely.
21:56<thor>updatedb; locate libmyth
21:56<Omnic>did you also run ldconfig after make install ?
21:57<kslater>doesn't ldconfig get run as part of make install?
21:57<Omnic>depends if you run it as root or not.
21:57<Omnic>(I don't)
21:57<kslater>I generally do make; sudo make install
21:58<Chutt>yeah, /usr/lib/libmyth*
21:58<Omnic>heh.. I add my uid to group staff, which has write to /usr/local
21:58<kslater>good, I thought I was loosing my gourd.
22:03<mattfelsen>for anyone that asks in the future, there's a file called irxevent.keys with all the info :)
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23:13<Torey>So, where would I go for user support? :/ (I get audio but no video -- and the tuner works under xawtv)
23:13<Chutt>users mailing list
23:13<Truin>mailing list, faq, mythtv-users chat room, etc.
23:13<Truin>oh, sorry chutt. ;)
23:14<Truin>ARGH! I just realized why my remote isn't working. I upped to 0.14 sunday night... forgot to uncomment the part about native lirc. heheh. I'm a 'tard.
23:15<Truin>that's the 2nd update in a row I've done that to.
23:15<Truin>and compile time is over an hour on my puny box. :(
23:15*Truin cries
23:15<dopez>heh, my p3-500 needed allmost 2 hours to compile 0.14 ;)
23:16<Truin>hm. I must have a speedy 400MHz then. ;) Well, it *is* AMD after all.... :
23:16<Truin>:p
23:16<dopez>hm ;)
23:17<thor>I keep doing the same thing with LCD support
23:17<Truin>pain in the asset.
23:17<Truin>bbiab
23:18<Chutt>thor, yo
23:18<thor>yup
23:19<Chutt>you thought that xbox theme actually looked good?
23:19<thor>absolutely
23:19<Chutt>really?
23:19<thor>well, it looked a lot like an xbox
23:19<Chutt>it was pretty unreadable
23:19<Morph>where is this elusive theme?
23:19<Chutt>morph, sent to the users list earlier today
23:19<Morph>Ah..
23:20<Chutt>http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2004-February/030114.html
23:20<thor>heh, I would never use it, but for all those "let me customize my X windows manager until it looks like a tribute to Gothic transparency" it would be quite cool
23:25<Torey>Okay, so the info about my problem is sparse :/
23:25<Torey>this happy "Waited too long for decoder to pause" :/
23:29<mchou>chutt, is it ok to leave USING_IVTV enabled in settings.pro even if I don't intend to use it?
23:29<Chutt>leave it enabled
23:29<mchou>ok, thx....
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23:41<DJ_Rican>lol... nice topic! :p
23:42*DJ_Rican thinks that there should be a mythtv-dev channel and this channel should be for user support! :)
23:43<DJ_Rican>just like all the other software out there... !
23:45<Chutt>and i think you're wrong
23:46<DJ_Rican>ok.. it's just an opinion...
23:47<Chutt>one you've expressed a few times before.
23:49<DJ_Rican>i have? i don't remember that... anyways, it's just that every new user that comes here has the same thought that I had when i came here thinking this is a user support channel. Maybe it's time for a change...
23:50<dopez>the topic should give a hint tho
23:50<Chutt>dj_rican, why would someone come in here thinking it's a support channel?
23:50<Chutt>it's not advertised anywhere as one
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23:51<DJ_Rican>neither are the other 1427 channels on this server....
23:51<Chutt>the channel's +s, so the only way someone would know about it is by trying to join randomly
23:51<Chutt>do you assume that any randomass channel you join is a support channel just for you?
23:51<Chutt>full of people just dying to help you solve your little problems?
23:51<DJ_Rican>random??
23:53<DJ_Rican>If i join channel 'mandrake' they help you, channel lirc they help you, channel linuxhelp they help you... I don't know any other channel not -dev that they won't help.. You guys have helped me too but after much sarcasm... it gets old...
23:53<DJ_Rican>so it does for new users of mythtv too...
23:53<Chutt>so leave
23:53<DJ_Rican>great attitude... ;)
23:54<DJ_Rican>I'm just saying that people will keep joining asking for help...
23:54<Chutt>and i'm just saying that i don't really give a shit
23:55<Morph>hah
23:55<Chutt>if you want to pay for tech support, i'd be happy to help
23:55<Chutt>most people don't, for some reason
23:55<DJ_Rican>good for you... you're a great human being...
23:55<Morph>Chutt: ive got some peanuts..will that do? :)
23:55<Chutt>heh
23:56<dopez>DJ_Rican: he is a great human being for sharing mythtv, he could also have gone commercial
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23:57<Netslayer>how can i take a screen capture? I have something i want to post
23:57<Netslayer>of video that is
23:57<Chutt>NO_XV=1 ./mythfrontend
23:57<Chutt>'course, it'll be really slow
23:57<Chutt>and probably not show what you want
23:57<Chutt>but it'll be capturable
23:57<Netslayer>k, cool so how then would i capture it?
23:57<DJ_Rican>dopez: thousands others have shared their software...
23:58<Netslayer>guess there is software i have to look for?
23:58<thor>Netslayer, gimp->acquire
23:58<Chutt>there's lots of things that'll do screenshots
23:58<thor>or there's some kgrab or something or other like that
23:59<dopez>DJ_Rican: doesnt mean they all have to give support, anyway, what i just said was my (very drunk) opinion
23:59<Netslayer>i'm running fluxbox, so i'll check my emerges
23:59<Chutt>i usually use ksnapshot, but that's just because i have kde installed
23:59<Netslayer>i have serious issues with this computer, i think it's all hardware.
23:59<Chutt>'import' from imagemagik works
23:59<Morph>Netslayer: install imagemagick, import -window root file.jpg
23:59<DJ_Rican>dopez: hehe... i hear ya
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