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---Logopened Fri Feb 20 00:00:35 2004
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00:37knight holy crap
00:37knight compiling recordingprofile.cpp seems to eat up like 150mb of mem
00:37knight on this xbox
00:44mdz knight: gcc 3.3
00:45knight mdz, eh?
00:45mdz knight: gcc 3.3 uses ridiculous amounts of memory compiling several parts of mythtv
00:45knight hmm
00:46mdz 3.2 was better, 3.4 is better
00:46knight gcc version 3.2.2
00:46mdz maybe it started earlier than 3.3.0
00:46mdz http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=194345
00:46knight well it was hanging on recordprofile.cpp which was odd
00:46knight i let it sit there like 15 minutes
00:47knight i'm trying a fresh recompile using distcc with only remote hosts
00:47knight wonder how it will work
00:47mdz globalsettings.cpp was the worst last I looked
00:47mdz uses almost 200M on my system
00:47knight heh
00:48knight /usr/include/pthread.h:165: `pthread_create' declared as function returning a function
00:48knight ack
01:05thor_ still can't believe that actually worked
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01:52knight can i test it with you?
01:54thor_ I'm just rebuilding some stuff, 'cause I want to test in the other direction
01:54thor_ give me an hour or so
01:54knight heh ok
01:55thor_ you'll need this: http://www.opensource.apple.com/projects/rendezvous/source/Rendezvous.tar.gz
01:57knight ok got it
01:57knight what should i build in it?
01:59thor_ anywhere
02:00thor_ you just need to be able to run the mDNSProxyResponderPosix command
02:00knight ok done. i built it
02:00thor_ k
02:01thor_ I've only got one machine that I can haul over and plug in outside my firewall, and I'm rebuilding Qt on that (old laptop)
02:01thor_ it'll be a while
02:01knight isnt the old qt still there?
02:01thor_ yeah, but it's old and mfd segfaults on a Qt error
02:01knight gotcha
02:02thor_ oh, you'll need a more or less cvs version of the mfd, of course
02:03thor_ and an iTunes would be interesting as well
02:03knight i have cvs of mfd as of like one hour ago
02:03knight and iTunes on windows
02:03thor_ k, that's good
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02:07o_cee wonder if that's enough sleep... hmm
02:08thor_ heh, go back to bed
02:08knight weird, mythepg fails on this xbox because of undefined references to FT_Seek_Stream, etc (freetype) stuff
02:08o_cee dammit
02:08knight but libfreetype is installed fine
02:08knight /usr/share/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so: undefined reference to `FT_Seek_Stream'
02:08thor_ libxft ?
02:08knight oh?
02:09thor_ think so
02:09thor_ not sure
02:09knight ii libxft-dev 2.1.2-5xebian
02:09knight ii libxft2 2.1.2-5xebian
02:10thor_ dunno
02:11knight time to bust out nm
02:12knight xbox1:~/cvs/mythtv/mythtv# nm -D /usr/lib/libfreetype.so.6.3.4 |grep Seek
02:12knight 0000e840 T FT_Stream_Seek
02:12o_cee Captain_Murdoch: newest cvs, distclean.. running in gdb right now.. it'll end in 8 minutes
02:12o_cee then we'll see
02:14knight grr
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02:14thor_ where did your Qt come from (was Qt compiled with -xft option) ?
02:15o_cee thor_: is there anyway to protect a mfd share? i mean without closing the fw?
02:15knight it came from a binary package
02:15thor_ knight, dunno if that's a problem or not ... grasping at straws
02:16knight yeah
02:16thor_ o_cee, daap includes an authentication system (well, http authentication) based on passwords
02:16thor_ just like in iTunes you can say, share my music but use this password
02:16o_cee cool
02:17o_cee that'll probably be a good idea ;)
02:17thor_ but, uhm, you don't really want an mfd running on the internet for practical purposes
02:17knight :)
02:17thor_ I mean, there's probably a gazillion buffer overflows in there :-)
02:17o_cee sure i want, i want you to listen to higi quality swedish music
02:18thor_ vpn's perhaps
02:18o_cee ah yeah
02:18thor_ I just shutter at the thought that anyone would leave this code I've written nakedly exposed to the net
02:18o_cee hehehee
02:18o_cee would be cool
02:19o_cee all of a sudden a new share pops up
02:19o_cee muhaha
02:20thor_ well, it's exactly the same as iTunes ... which makes me wonder why there aren't iTunes daap proxy mirrors all over the place ...
02:20thor_ err, mDNS proxy mirrors
02:20thor_ iTunes could really be one big honkin p2p network
02:20o_cee yeah
02:20Chutt doesn't it limit the number of machines?
02:21thor_ it limits the number of "authorized" machines for m4p content
02:21o_cee all i've seen is universitys using it, like the whole university rates your music taste :P
02:21thor_ but I'm not aware that it limits the number of basic daap connections
02:21Chutt ah
02:22o_cee wow
02:22o_cee it segfaultet again guys
02:22o_cee but at another place
02:23thor_ after a make distclean ?
02:23o_cee ye
02:23o_cee i think i did that before going to bed, heh.. yeah, i did
02:23o_cee Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
02:23o_cee [Switching to Thread 245776 (LWP 1862)]
02:23o_cee 0x41265bc7 in memset () from /lib/libc.so.6
02:24o_cee i'll email it instead
02:24o_cee wth
02:24o_cee (gdb) thread apply all bt full
02:24o_cee [New process 30530]
02:24o_cee lin-lwp.c:1371: gdb-internal-error: lin_lwp_thread_alive: Assertion `is_lwp (ptid)' failed.
02:24o_cee An internal GDB error was detected. This may make further
02:24o_cee debugging unreliable.
02:24thor_ heh
02:25o_cee wtf was that all about.. it just pooped
02:25linagee mythtv won't let me watch anything lol
02:25linagee it seems everything is a re-run. :(
02:25linagee is there a fix for this? some way i can throw a patch at the tv networks so they have something original? :)
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02:29o_cee Chutt: any suggestion?
02:29Chutt no, i'm not responsible for gdb errors.
02:29o_cee heheheh :) what's valgrind?
02:29o_cee should i try that instead?
02:30o_cee right, version 6.0 of gdb is availible.. i'll start with getting that
02:30thor_ I think you're going to have to keep talking to Captain_Murdoch on this one
02:31o_cee yeah.. Captain_Murdoch, you're not around are you?
02:31o_cee also updating gcc and some other stuff
02:32thor_ ah, if only I ran debian
02:33o_cee oh, so you're a suser? :)
02:33thor_ heh
02:33o_cee that's the worst i could think of, haha
02:33thor_ I've run slackware for a long time, and I'm just too used to it to change
02:34o_cee running gentoo, quite nice actually
02:35thor_ stupid really, I would have saved myself a lot of time by getting up to speed with another distribution
02:35thor_ penny wise and pound foolish
02:35o_cee heh
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02:38Chutt why can't people manage to copy an existing coding style?
02:38Chutt how hard is it?
02:38o_cee it isn't
02:38thor_ heh, I _still_ have problems with "stop at column 80" :-)
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02:39o_cee btw, you changed maxpowers menu alternatives and helptext right?
02:39thor_ me ?
02:39o_cee no Chutt
02:39o_cee maybe it was just the helptext
02:40o_cee dammit, it was Xavier
02:40o_cee setHelpText(QObject::tr("Media Monitoring should be turn on to "
02:40o_cee + "allow this feature (Setup -> General -> CD/DVD Monitor"))
02:40o_cee :)
02:40Chutt yes, i fixed it to be english.
02:41o_cee great ;)
02:41o_cee even worse than me
02:41thor_ ah, was worried a maxpowers patch had gone in
02:41o_cee wonder if that's the guy from the goldmember movie..
02:42o_cee thor_: hey, with that mfd stuff, you could have _my_ pictures in your mythgallery :D
02:42thor_ yup
02:42o_cee that would be cool
02:42o_cee you probably don't want them all, but, heheh
02:42thor_ iPhoto has a protocol called dpap
02:42thor_ for images and albums
02:43thor_ which I want to copy
02:43thor_ but I'll need to buy a Mac first, 'cause it's not available for Windows
02:43o_cee will it be?
02:43thor_ I dunno, they have no hardware to push for that ...
02:44o_cee true
02:44thor_ (other than macs)
02:45thor_ but the same idea, network transparent access to services
02:45o_cee seems nice
02:45o_cee and it's a good reason to get a shiny g5
02:46thor_ oh, that brings up a question ... Chutt, does the "native player" take a QFile as input ?
02:46Chutt takes a path
02:47thor_ just a string of the path ?
02:47Chutt a url, really.
02:47thor_ but if it wants to seek, does it do C style seeking, or does it call QFile::at(), etc?
02:48thor_ or does that question make any sense?
02:48Chutt does c style seeking
02:48thor_ crap
02:48thor_ oh well, bit more work
02:48Chutt could be rewritten, of course
02:48thor_ yup
02:49Chutt captain_murdoch, you here?
02:49o_cee wonder what happened to bruce, he haven't mailed the list in a while and he haven't responded to the mail david or me sent..
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02:56Chutt o_cee, i believe i know what the crash is.
02:56o_cee oh?
02:56Chutt i'll commit a fix later tonight.
02:56o_cee great, i'll keep an eye on -commits
02:57o_cee i know how i trigger it
02:57thor_ well, if you know how to trigger it, someone could write a watchdog against that condition and then restart the backend
02:58Chutt that's a good idea!
02:59thor_ easiest thing would just be a gdb extension that catches all segfaults and reruns the executable
02:59o_cee going to try chris kennedys new ivtv stuff now.. bbiaw
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04:00thor_ it's just too friggin annoying how slow g++ is
04:01niqo yea, incredible slow
04:01Chutt yes, yes it is
04:02o_cee Chutt: building current cvs now
04:02thor_ watching libavcoded (gcc) versus libmyth (g++) is a nightmare
04:02thor_ libavcodec
04:03niqo anyone up for the task of rewriting in c, so that we all can enjoy fast compile times?
04:04thor_ we await your patches
04:04thor_ :-)
04:04thor_ knight, you still there ?
04:06niqo uh, cvs slow, u compiling on 10.11.0.11 chutt?
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04:07Chutt machine's sending out email.
04:07_Da5iD_ is there a way to check for problems with mythgallery not using opengl transitions?
04:08niqo ah
04:11_Da5iD_ how do the gl transitions look anyway? are they nice? just wondering.
04:12Chutt all you have to do is enable them in the settings
04:12Chutt and yeah, they look fairly good
04:15_Da5iD_ I have enabled them in settings... and also used configure --enable-opengl.. all I get is standard flip transitions..
04:15_Da5iD_ I just want to see what can be improved upon in them.
04:16_Da5iD_ Hope I don't get bashed, but I love the way windoze media center does the slideshow.. great with music.
04:17thor_ abuse
04:18Captain_Murdo| Chutt, do you think that error o_cee is getting is related to using "unsigned char mask[loops][height * width];" instead of "unsigned char *mask = new char[loops][height * width];"
04:19Chutt captain_murdoch, well, the second won't work
04:19Chutt that's not proper syntax :p
04:20Chutt but yeah, i think you were overflowing the stack
04:20Captain_Murdo| :)
04:20Chutt see my commit a few minutes back?
04:20Captain_Murdo| no, I get those emails really late sometimes for some reason.
04:20Captain_Murdo| I'll look on the archive.
04:20Captain_Murdo| and cvs.mythtv.org
04:21Captain_Murdo| been up having to do real work during our nightly maintenance window.
04:21Chutt ah
04:22Captain_Murdo| when I just saw his gdb output on the -dev list I noticed it was on a line using mask and wondered if that was the problem.
04:22Chutt same
04:22* Captain_Murd is still trying to force himself into c++ syntax sometimes.
04:23Chutt then i realized how much you were allocating on the stack :p
04:23Captain_Murdo| yeah, and it's worse because he's doing full-pal resolution.
04:23Captain_Murdo| on my low-res 352x480 (or even worse my wife's 320x240 shows) ;) the problem wasn't prominent.
04:24Chutt heh
04:24Captain_Murdo| she'll never know.
04:24Captain_Murdo| as long as CSI is nice and clear.
04:25_Da5iD_ nevermind.. don't drink and compute.. it's bad.. I somehow figured it out with only 2 brain cells to spare.
04:26* Captain_Murd wonders how he accidentilly committed that method to commercial_skip.cpp with all those tabs.
04:26Chutt i was going to convert those, but was too lazy
04:27Captain_Murdo| just did so when I commit they'll be fixed.
04:27Chutt anyway, sleep time for me
04:28Captain_Murdo| yeah, back to bed for me. although my wife isn't too happy, I must have hit the snooze instead of turning my alarm off when I got up earlier. :(
04:28Chutt heh
04:28Chutt oops
04:29Captain_Murdo| and she doesn't know how to work my alarm so she just hit it a bunch of times. it's sitting beside me now because I just came in and unplugged it. :)
04:29Captain_Murdo| anyway, later. thanks for looking at/fixing that.
04:29Chutt i think my fix works
04:29Chutt i didn't test it or anything
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04:37o_cee i'm still building
04:38o_cee new gcc as well
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04:50o_cee Chutt: no immediate segfault like it used to :)
04:52thor_ o_cee, try:
04:52thor_ ./mDNSProxyResponderPosix 208.185.11.58 www.aa-dw.com "MythMusic (DAAP) on www" _daap._tcp. 3689 &
04:53o_cee one sec
04:53thor_ with an mfd running
04:53thor_ :-)
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08:27tz-afk are there instructions anywhere for compiling wiht qt/embedded? The latest /embedded is 3.0.7
08:27tz-afk and myth 0.14 says it wants 3.1+
08:27tz-afk am I using qt/embedded CVS (does such a thing exist)? or do I just hack the configure script to ignore that error?
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09:06niqo hmm, i have qte v3.1.2-2 here (debian:sid)
09:06niqo and the only thing you need to do is edit the settings.pro file, and comment out the Xv stuff and enabling directfb, then point qtdir to the correct directory..
09:25niqo Chutt, looking at the 'HDTV playback & GF4' thread in -users, would it make sense to get rid of the OPTFLAGS in config.mak, and use the settings.pro flags (except for debugging)?
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09:40gulliver hi all
09:41gulliver can someone tell me, how I have to define module-"actions", which can be called from a menu.xml-file?
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09:50tz-afk niqo: hmm ok thanks!
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10:10tzanger hmm qte was only 3.0.7 up on trolltech's site
10:11tzanger I'm an idiot
10:11tzanger nevermind thank you niqo
10:12kvandivo "Hopefully this will reduce questions to the mailinglist by about 50%. Great :)" Now _there_ is an optimist.
10:19rkulagow_ well, it's not like users are reading the error messages that they get _now_, but this will fix _everything_! :)
10:20tzanger hahaha
10:25tzanger should qte be compiled with threading?
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10:34niqo tzanger: yes
10:34niqo tzanger: and mysql
10:37niqo rkulagow_: if it wasn't for the fact that audio isn't working at that point, i would have made it play a repeating 'sound does not work, sou..' :)
10:41rkulagow_ well, if you're going to do that, then add bleep/bloop feedback to keypresses. that way you know if the IR receiver got the key you just pressed or didn't.
10:41kvandivo just copy the tivo sounds and make it complete
10:43mikegrb yeah
10:45niqo seriously tho, it will probably remove about 10%, because most of the messages are not about audio initialization problems, but that they record silence..
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10:50tzanger niqo: compile qte with teh mysql sql driver?
11:12niqo right
11:13tzanger ahh crap
11:13tzanger ok
11:13tzanger :-)
11:14tzanger I wonder how much work it would be to make mythtv's backend happy with ODBC... mysql's such a pain
11:14tzanger I wonder if sqlite has odbc support
11:14tzanger http://www.ch-werner.de/sqliteodbc/
11:14tzanger wild
11:15tzanger :-)
11:15tzanger I would suggest postgres but that's like using a cannon to swat a fly, and if you go for odbc you can satisfy everyone, even the MS Access weenies
11:17tzanger ./configure -no-stl -thread -depths 24,32 -plugin-sql-mysql
11:17tzanger sound good?
11:18tzanger (using pvr350 for output)
11:23niqo think u should remove the -no-stl
11:24niqo but seriously, read a howto, or search the -users/-dev list
11:25tzanger niqo: the howto does not describe building qt nor how to do the directfb version, which is why I was asking here
11:25tzanger but yeah I'll get into the lists
11:25tzanger I had mythtv up once, I can do it again :-)
11:25niqo last hint, enable all image types
11:26tzanger niqo: all enabled but gif
11:26tzanger png/mng/jpeg
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12:07Truin mornin'!
12:09Truin so, I found this great deal on a mobo/cpu on TigerDirect, it's a VIA C3 processor. So far, linux installed and mythtv build going well....
12:10rkulagow_ truin: a few people purchased it as well. check the archives; doesn't seem to work too well. (it's the $5 special, right?)
12:12Truin yeah, was the $5 special. So far, it seems to be working fine - of course, I don't actually have Myth RUNNING on it yet, just getting it built.
12:14rkulagow_ truin: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/perl/mailarc/gforum.cgi?post=107398;search_string=tigerdirect;guest=2381547&t=search_engine#107398
12:14* Truin runs off to go read the mailing list archive.
12:14rkulagow_ but, maybe it'll work for you.
12:14rkulagow_ and if not, it was cheap, right?
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12:14rkulagow_ :)
12:15Truin if not, it becomes a new cheap system for my niece. ;)
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12:20Truin rkulagow_: yeah, looks like a couple people have had minor issues. But, I'm persistant, and confident that I'll get it all working. :) Everything ran in Windows just fine, and I can't see linux taxing the hardware more than a Macroshaft product would.
12:21rkulagow_ truin: ok, good luck then.
12:21Truin thanks for the warnings, tho - at least I'll know what to expect. :)
12:21niqo the problem would be the quality of the xfree video driver..
12:22Truin well, I plan on using a PCI video card with TV-Out, as opposed to the built-in video. We'll see what playback looks like, then I'll make the decision.
12:22Truin If possible, I'd like to use both PCI slots on the board for pvr-250's, and find some other device to sit between the vga port and the tv. But, as I said, it all comes down to the quality of the built-in video.
12:22niqo why not one pvr-250 and one 350?
12:23Truin that's also an option
12:35o_cee Chutt, Captain_Murdoch: mythbackend just segfaultet s\xE5 the comercial thingie is probably not yet 100% fixed. didn't have it in gdb tho, so i have to get back to you on that.. won't be today, probably not tomorrow either.. anyway, just wanted to let you know.
12:37niqo o_cee: about your twin channels issue; i've not done much testing with dual cards..since all i have is the nexus
12:37o_cee niqo: i think it was because i did mythfilldatabase --file with 0 instead 1 as sourceinput anyawy
12:39* o_cee is off having dinner and stuff like that
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13:15thor_ o_cee, still working at your end?
13:15o_cee thor_: i just closed down the proxy
13:15thor_ ah, ok
13:15o_cee but yeah, last time i checked it worked
13:15thor_ still running fine here
13:15o_cee feel free to use my music for testing
13:15thor_ heh
13:16o_cee i've got it open, bw is a little limited
13:16o_cee but do what you want with it :)
13:16thor_ heh
13:16o_cee well not what you want of course :)
13:16thor_ ... heh ... I need to write client code ...
13:16o_cee fire up 'the knife'.. or some of the cardigans.. or some sophie zelmani.. that's three great swedish groups/artists
13:17thor_ yup
13:17gulliver I'm just looking at the mythtv-playbackbox sources... The entire UI-thing is done different than in mythmusic, isn't it?
13:18o_cee thor_: does the binaries get slower if you build with debug? always do that nowdays
13:18gulliver for example there isn't the wireuptheme thing!?
13:19tzanger hmm
13:20tzanger it seems I will not be able to run Myth without X on the PVR350... the DirectFB subsystem does not seem to work with the PVR350's fb
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13:22Chutt why would you need directfb running?
13:24tzanger Chutt: that's what the mailing list seemed to suggest was needed
13:24tzanger if not that's great
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13:24tzanger settings.pro doesn't have anything for 'bare' fb output
13:25gulliver is a UIManagedTreeListType a list with two collums, like in the watch recordings dialog of mythtv?
13:25o_cee Chutt: i'll load up mythbackend into gdb and fire up a bunch of recordings tonight before i go to sleep and we'll see in the morning.. just have to remember to turn back the auto detection..
13:25tzanger Chutt: can I run the frontend on the PVR350's fb?
13:26tzanger without X11 I mean
13:26o_cee in that case with qt/e
13:26o_cee seen someone try it, not succesully i think tho
13:26Chutt tzanger, it doesn't need anything for bare fb output
13:26tzanger the frontend?
13:26Chutt you're using the pvr-350 for video display, not the fb
13:26tzanger not just video playback but the menus and everything
13:27Chutt that's what using qt/e does for you.
13:27tzanger ok
13:27tzanger just making sure. :-)
13:27Chutt of course
13:27Chutt it's much easier to just use X
13:27o_cee tzanger: you might want to check ivtv-devel, there's some intresting development going on
13:27Chutt using the framebuffer doesn't gain you anything
13:28Chutt and it's likely to be slower.
13:28tzanger Chutt: leaner system is all
13:28* o_cee is awy watching a move.. brother bear actually ;)
13:29Chutt yeah, i can't live without the 20MB that X and a window manager are using on my pvr-350 machine.
13:29tzanger no need to be a smart ass now
13:29tzanger I'm not demanding anyone make it work for me, just asking around and experimenting
13:29Chutt sure there is, you annoyed me.
13:30tzanger that's a shame
13:30niqo i must say i liked the faster startup time when trying qte the other day
13:31tzanger I have to admit that the primary reason I'm trying out mythtv is because I rather like the weather plugin. :-)
13:31tzanger recording tv is secondary :-)
13:31Chutt you can go use freevo now, since they ripped off the weather plugin pretty much exactly
13:31Chutt :p
13:31Chutt reused the graphics and everything
13:32tzanger haha
13:32niqo and myhtpc apparently ripped the icons out of G.A.N.T.
13:32Chutt everyone's using gant now :p
13:32Chutt it's an icon set, oc was just the first to use it for something like this
13:32tzanger actually I do have a question on the sql use -- was there an advantage to using mysql over something like sqlite? Myth doesn't seem to be a very heavy database hitter
13:32* jams prefer's onemyth :)
13:32niqo why don't they all just install mythtv
13:32niqo ah
13:32Chutt remote access
13:32Chutt sqllite doesn't do it.
13:33Chutt it also didn't play well with threads, last i checked
13:33tzanger true
13:33tzanger just curious
13:33tzanger there's an odbc plugin for sqlite now too but that doesn't solve the remote access parts
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13:34Chutt qt has db access plugins for a bunch of databases
13:34Chutt so you can theoretically use whatever.
13:34tzanger yeah I was looking at that
13:34tzanger I want to get it running first, then start playing more
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13:35thor_ o_cee, I'm taking it down .. I thinkwe can call the experiment a success
13:40* niqo is looking forward to downloading xfree86 cvs source, patching it for cle266, and making debs out of it...
13:41tzanger hmm
13:41* tzanger is googling around to see if the 2700 satellite receiver can be controlled via serial
13:42jams apparently kernel 2.6 ivtv+patch AND lirc do not play well together
13:44niqo goddamn, the debian directory of the xfree source package is crouded..
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14:12rkulagow captain_murdoch: are you here?
14:14kvandivo are you here, Captain_Murdoch? It's me, kvandivo.
14:15Chutt heh
14:15Chutt rkulagow, hey, how's that users guide coming? =)
14:16rkulagow good. i just made some ringbuffer graphics and will use them to explain "how come channel changes happen right away in xawtv but not in myth?"
14:16rkulagow kvandivo: c_m might be lurking, you know. that's why i asked so nicely.
14:16Chutt cool
14:16Chutt can i see it? =)
14:16rkulagow sure, give me a second. i'll send you a pdf
14:16kvandivo of course, rk.. the wording just struck me as intriguing
14:17niqo mdz: around (about mythtv-database)?
14:17thor_ but ... but ... but ... couldn't the ringbuffer start later
14:17kvandivo Chutt, if compiling on your epia is anywhere even remotely close to being as slow as compiling on the xbox I can see why you don't do it very often
14:18Chutt kvandivo, it'd be about 50% slower, i'd say
14:18rkulagow chutt: on the way.
14:18Chutt rkulagow, cool
14:18rkulagow work in progress, yadda, yadda.
14:18Chutt i'm halfway through rewriting large parts of this cd audio writing patch to mythmusic
14:19kvandivo globalsettings.cpp is, literally, about a 2 hour compile
14:19Chutt so i wanted something else to do for a few minutes :p
14:19Chutt kvandivo, oh, well, that's faster
14:19rkulagow i never got my screenshots from the guy who was super-jazzed about helping. oh, well.
14:19Chutt since i have 256MB of ram
14:19Chutt kvandivo, distcc
14:19thor_ hmmm
14:19thor_ cool
14:19kvandivo ya.. as soon as the 'box hits swap things really start crawling.. in particular because it is using a loopback filesystem
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14:20kvandivo i've got the cachecc stuff going.. haven't messed with distcc yet.. as you say, one tries to not compile on the slow boxes unless absolutely necessary. :)
14:22Chutt i've been using distcc on the epia-m
14:23Chutt just have it set to compile on my xp1800+, so it only uses the local cpu for linking
14:23niqo and preprocessing..
14:23Chutt yeah, but that doesn't take much time at all
14:24niqo thanks for committing
14:24Chutt rkulagow, looks good =)
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14:25Magick -----Original Message-----
14:25Magick From: omg@wired.ie [mailto:omg@wired.ie]
14:25Magick Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 10:24 AM
14:25Magick buritto: full-disclosure@lists.netsys.com
14:25Magick Subject: [Full-Disclosure] RE: Multiple WinXP kernel vulns can give user
14:25Magick mode programs kernel mode
14:25Magick Alun Jones spouted this
14:25Magick > These are not vulnerabilities at all. This is how the SeDebugPrivilege is
14:25Magick > supposed to work.
14:25Magick No its not.
14:25Magick This could be used for bypasses host based IDS for one thing, I think
14:25Magick thats pretty useful from an attackers point of view no? Theres quite a few
14:25Magick prodcuts that try and protect the NT kernel from modification by hooking
14:25Magick the SCM calls and NtSetSystemInformation(and \\device\physicalmemory of
14:25Magick course) so that you cant load a .sys file. Also this allows you to modify
14:25Magick the kernel without having a .sys file which is kinda cool.
14:25Magick Its more informative than the 'gayer than aids' thread anyway
14:25Magick _______________________________________________
14:25rkulagow chutt: thanks. lots of it are just straight block copies from other stuff i had lying around, so the "flow" isn't there yet. plus, you can see why i wanted o_cee to help with graphics.
14:25Magick Full-Disclosure - We believe in it.
14:25Magick Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
14:26Magick that sucked
14:26Magick sorry about that
14:26Chutt rkulagow, yeah
14:26rkulagow at least it wasn't a paste of something you were going to post in an S&M group
14:26Chutt it's a start, though =)
14:26Magick heh yah
14:27rkulagow chutt: yup. going to incorporate keys.txt into a prettier version in the guide.
14:27rkulagow bruce has helped a bunch
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14:50knight thor you around?
14:50thor_ yup
14:50knight sorry i disappeared last night
14:51knight Ive been sick, and I went to lay down to watch tv, and didn't anticipate that I'd fall asleep :)
14:51thor_ that's ok, it was getting late :-)
14:51knight Yeah
14:51knight Still interested in playing with it?
14:52thor_ I played with it with o_cee last night, but there's one other thing I'd like to check, give me 5-10 minutes
14:52knight alright
14:55* niqo puts a spell on his vim so it looses the ability to insert tabs
14:56kvandivo that easy enough to set in your vimrc file
14:58niqo Chutt, audiooutputoss.cpp:~89, you inserted a return in the while, why?
14:59niqo and just below that, you still have the perror, even though the verbose has strerror..
15:00kvandivo did you go over 80 columns?
15:00Chutt because it should return there
15:00Chutt that's a fatal error
15:00Chutt no need to keep retrying it.
15:00niqo k, modify the error message then :)
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15:07thor_ knight, you still around ?
15:09mdz niqo: ?
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15:14niqo mdz: i've made some cvs builds based off of your debs for mythtv, but every time i install/upgrade, the mysql.txt file gets changed (chown 660), isn't this kinda intrusive? I guess it's not a big problem for once per month releases, but.. (i know how to fix it myself, just wanted to inform)
15:15knight thor, yeah
15:15thor_ can you update to mfd cvs of a few minutes ago ?
15:15knight thor, sure, hang on
15:16mdz niqo: no, I don't think it is...why do you want it to have different permissions?
15:16knight thor, done
15:16thor_ built and running ?
15:16knight yep
15:16thor_ try ./mDNSProxyResponderPosix 208.185.11.50 208.185.11.50 "MythMusic (DAAP) on www" _daap._tcp. 3689
15:17knight ack wait
15:17knight i think mfd cr
15:18knight just crashed my myth box
15:18thor_ heh
15:18knight heh, i lost ssh, and cant get back in... let me power cycle
15:18niqo mdz: i always to changes here and there, and at least the other debs usually have the courtesy of asking.. (dunno, only about a week old on the debian method anyways)
15:18thor_ it's emailing your cc details to Uzbekistan
15:18knight haha
15:19mdz niqo: it would be a little silly to ask about the permissions on every file. I think what you want is dpkg-statoverride
15:19knight well, just so you know, i ran mfd when mythbackend wasnt running
15:19thor_ doesn't care about mythbackend
15:19thor_ (yet)
15:19knight thats what i thought
15:20niqo mdx: thanks; `man dpkg-statoverride`; read manpage :)
15:22niqo mdz: yup, that's it!
15:22niqo mdz: sorry to bother you..
15:22mdz niqo: however, I just noticed that while the script tries to honor dpkg-statoverride for mysql.txt, it doesn't actually work due to later changes I made
15:23mdz niqo: I'm going to fix it though
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15:24niqo mdz: yea, i can see that now..
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15:48knight damn
15:48knight nothing in syslog about the hang
15:48knight i bet it's ivtv
15:49thor_ i doubt it's the mfd
15:49thor_ :-)
15:49knight well, mythbackend and mfd have been causing the hangs
15:49knight because of ivtv
15:49knight the box stays up when neither are running
15:49thor_ ivtv
15:49knight but i get all kinds of wicked hangs
15:49knight yep
15:49knight mfd calls stuff in libmyth that talks to ivtv right?
15:49thor_ nope
15:50knight weird
15:50thor_ just talks to the database
15:50knight then i wonder why mfd caused the hang
15:50knight let's try again :)
15:50thor_ k
15:50thor_ only hardware mfd touches is optical drives
15:51knight hmm
15:51knight lemme tail some logs
15:51niqo mdz: any chance you'll enable alsa and arts? or will that just bring to much of a depend chain?
15:52knight -rw------- 1 root root 1300175676 Feb 20 12:52 messages
15:52knight yikes, i should clear that out
15:52knight hah
15:55niqo i really vote for some sort of general plugin support, so that package maintainers can build packages like mythtv-plugin-arts with only the needed deps..
15:56niqo because one thing i really hate is having a bunch of unneded packages...
15:56thor_ for example ...
15:56knight yeah, what is needed is another layer of plugins
15:57knight and in that layer, all the abstraction code can exist
15:57knight then any mythplugin can utilize any subplugin
15:58knight I think what would be nice is the ability to have mythplugins loaded with no GUI
15:58niqo thor_: bet the mfd alrady has pretty good plugin code..
15:58thor_ well, it's all plugins
15:58knight then they can all talk to each other, and only the one with "user focus" is showing
15:58niqo hence..
15:58thor_ but I have no idea if they're "good"
15:58knight then you can interact with all mythplugins at once.. i.e. play music in mythmusic while browsing in mythnews
15:59thor_ yup
15:59niqo like arts alone requires 10-15 packages, iirc
16:00knight well, people installing release packages have very little dep issues
16:00knight since they refer to all the dependancies
16:00niqo but it would also have enabled binary packages like mythtv-plugin(-xvmc-nvidia|-xvmc-i810)
16:00knight it's us cvs users that have problems handling all the deps
16:01niqo the binary package users are missing some features..
16:01knight thor, ok, i have a couple logs tailed, here goes with mfd again
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16:01knight thor, is there a way to enable runtime debugging in mfd?
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16:10thor_ knight. ./mfd -l 10
16:10thor_ give a _lot_ of information
16:11thor_ gives
16:11knight thor, ok, hang on
16:11knight I'll redir that to a log
16:11thor_ mfd -d -l 10
16:12thor_ write a log
16:12thor_ writes
16:12knight oh ok
16:12thor_ somewhere :-)
16:12knight hah
16:12knight probably from where you execute it right?
16:12thor_ probably /usr/local/share/mfd.log
16:12knight ok
16:13thor_ /usr/local/share/mythtv/mfd.log
16:13knight i'm rechecking out sources with my script, hang on
16:13thor_ or mfdctl -l 10
16:13knight oh neat, you wrote a control script
16:13thor_ yup
16:14thor_ but it has to be installed (make install) or you end up running an old version w/ old plugins
16:14knight yep
16:15knight question about faad2... autoreconf -vif just shows syntax of autoreconf for me
16:15knight how are you compiling it?
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16:20knight configure.in:34: warning: AC_TRY_RUN called without default to allow cross compiling
16:20knight automake: libfaad/Makefile.am: not supported: source file `codebook/hcb.h' is in subdirectory
16:21knight etc
16:21thor_ you need cvs of libfaad
16:21knight yep
16:22knight this is cvs version
16:22knight as of minutes ago
16:22thor_ yeah, it may just be their cvs is broken
16:22knight doh
16:22thor_ anyway, you don't need it
16:22knight so i'm sol
16:22knight ok
16:23thor_ I have to step away for a few, minutes, but whenever your mfd is up and running:
16:23thor_ ./mDNSProxyResponderPosix 208.185.11.50 208.185.11.50 "MythMusic (DAAP) on www" _daap._tcp. 3689
16:23knight alright...
16:23knight will it proxy my iTunes on windows on the same network too?
16:24thor_ that's proxing my mfd to your local lan
16:24knight ok
16:24thor_ anyway, back in a few minutes
16:24knight k
16:26thor_ back
16:26knight that was quick
16:26thor_ then you'll need http://localhost:2345/ to do anything
16:26knight localhost being the mfd box?
16:26thor_ yup
16:26knight k one sec
16:27knight viper mfd # mfdctl -l 10
16:27knight you don't want to do anything, so I won't
16:27thor_ mfdctl start -l 10
16:27knight start i'm guessing
16:27knight yep
16:28knight ok it is scanning my music in the db
16:28thor_ that'll take a while
16:28knight yep
16:28thor_ you can go ahead with the mDNS proxy thing
16:28o_cee thor_: you beeing unfaithful to me? damn you woman :)
16:29thor_ heh, made a change to see if it will go to hosts without names
16:29knight Service MythMusic (DAAP) on www._daap._tcp.local. now registered and active
16:29thor_ yup
16:29thor_ you have my metadata
16:29o_cee i just shut down my mfd, let me know if you want it up for testing..
16:30knight ok it's still scanning my music
16:30thor_ o_cee, just really wanted to test this one thing
16:30knight i'm waiting for some ugly hang :)
16:30thor_ knight, try http on 2345
16:30knight ok
16:30thor_ you should be able to play my content
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16:31knight ok
16:31knight let me try
16:31knight btw
16:31knight I see your stuff in iTunes on this desktop too
16:31thor_ play something
16:32knight load and clear
16:32knight loud
16:32o_cee he's got great taste, doesn't he? :)
16:32knight yeah
16:32knight heh
16:32thor_ ok, I'm going to pop out a CD, iTunes should gracefully remove the CD ~ playlist and next refresh on http://2345 should show less content
16:33knight what content is the cd?
16:33thor_ Joy Division
16:33knight hang on i dont see that in itunes
16:33o_cee press the triangle
16:33o_cee to expand
16:33thor_ it's already out
16:33thor_ hang on. I'll put it back in
16:33knight what triangle?
16:33thor_ k
16:34knight heh
16:34knight i dont think itunes is seeing the full list :)
16:34o_cee you see it when there's more stuff
16:34knight i only see 99 songs in itunes
16:34thor_ that's right
16:34knight ok
16:34niqo cool
16:34knight in itunes i see the triangle
16:34knight and the CD
16:34thor_ cool
16:34knight remove it
16:35thor_ out
16:35knight boom
16:35knight real quick
16:35o_cee it's glorious
16:35thor_ sweet
16:35knight indeed
16:35knight i love it
16:35o_cee it really is
16:35knight one step towards being able to view/listen content at work :)
16:35knight assuming i ever go back to the office and stop working at home :)
16:35o_cee yeah, i thought about that too:)
16:35thor_ not that if you play something in iTunes, it's doing ogg to wav conversion on the fly
16:35thor_ note
16:36knight oh really?
16:36knight beautiful
16:36niqo sweet
16:36knight i saw that in the cvs commits
16:36thor_ iTunes only understands mp3, aac, and wav
16:36knight let me ask you this
16:36knight in itunes, i cant rate songs on your server
16:36thor_ nope
16:36knight is that an itunes thing?
16:36thor_ yup
16:37knight so you havent rated your stuff i'm assuming?
16:37knight it's all 2 stars
16:37thor_ this is just a temporary laptop hooked up outside my firewall
16:38knight gotcha
16:38knight I really like this
16:39knight 20/Feb/2004-13:35:17: mythmusic watcher plugin updated metadata for audio item "8005"
16:39knight damn i guess i dont have enough music ;}
16:40o_cee i bet that impresses all the girls.
16:40knight bahya
16:40knight yes, they seduce me when i show them my mp3s
16:40knight blowjobs while ircing
16:41knight thor, any way to keep track of outbound/inbound traffic via the mfd?
16:43o_cee om my, chris kennedys work on ivtv is working :) time to try the EPG.......
16:43knight o_cee, which part of ivtv?
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16:44thor_ knight, well, everythings in the log
16:44thor_ but it's not calculating total bits transferred or anything like that
16:45knight thor, that might be interesting to add a bits/s
16:45knight perhaps be able to define the localnet, and show stats of localnet and extranet
16:46knight but anyways, excellent work
16:47o_cee THE EPG of myth with ivtv is FINALLY WORKING! hurray for chris kennedy
16:47o_cee he da man
16:47knight o_cee, yay
16:47o_cee yeah very very very much so
16:47o_cee and the fb seems alot faster as well, the menus and stuff
16:47thor_ knight, can you try playing a CD track, for some reason that was not working with o_cee last night
16:47knight thor, also, what ports does daap use?
16:47thor_ 3689
16:47knight sure, load one up
16:48thor_ it's in, Joy Division
16:48knight oh i dont see the triangle
16:48knight in itunes
16:48o_cee thor_: it would require 1,2mbit, i only got 0.5mbit atm
16:48thor_ yeah
16:48o_cee it was working, just not very well :)
16:48thor_ right
16:49knight hmm
16:49thor_ just want to make sure it was bandwidth and not something stupid I did
16:49knight so yeah i dont see joy division listed
16:49Chutt might be better to transcode to mp3 instead of wav
16:49thor_ right click in iTunes , disconnect, then reconnect
16:50Chutt or at least present the option to do so
16:50thor_ Chutt, yeah, but wavs easy
16:50thor_ :-)
16:50Chutt yeah
16:50o_cee faster cpus should be able to do it
16:50thor_ and lossless
16:50Chutt naw, real time mp3 encoding doesn't take much cpu
16:50knight certainly making it by choice would be nice too
16:50thor_ version 2.0
16:50knight when doing it on local lans, wav is nice for lossless
16:50thor_ heh
16:50Chutt and the libmp3lame library is really easy to do that with, it's only a few lines of code
16:51knight thor, the cd is in?
16:51thor_ yup
16:51knight thor, any reason itunes hasnt received the update?
16:51thor_ hang on, let me make sure
16:51thor_ yup
16:51thor_ oh, I probably have done something slightly wrong somewhere
16:52thor_ would be easier with access to the iTunes source :-)
16:52o_cee to easy
16:52knight hah
16:53knight indeed
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16:53knight here i just disconnected it and reconnected
16:53knight playing cd now
16:53thor_ yup, saw that
16:53knight rebuffering :)
16:53knight clear but rebuffers
16:54o_cee Chutt: the ivtv stuff from chris k. seems _very_ nice. your epg finally looks awesome ;)
16:54knight but works none the less :)
16:54knight o_cee, how does the epg look different/
16:54thor_ right, how big is your connection ?
16:54knight thor, 1.5mbps
16:54o_cee knight: it's transparent
16:54knight o_cee, oooh screenshot
16:54knight oh wait
16:54knight i saw that before without the 350
16:54o_cee knight: better ask chutt about that, i have no idea how to do that without a dig camera :)
16:55thor_ convert to wav to mp3 on the fly on the to do list
16:55knight thor, when i get my other firewall box up today, i'll try from my 3mbps cable
16:55knight o_cee, :)
16:55thor_ k
16:56knight thor, looks great. mind if i add some stats?
16:56thor_ note that if you go to http://208.185.11.50:2345/ you can force me to listen to music
16:56thor_ sure
16:56thor_ just beware you need to use something like log() and warning() to pass information around
16:56[DOA]Tarkie have you seen the web interface for the empeg car stereo?
16:57knight eh?
16:57jams MFD Ultra Fancy Pants Interface <=well put
16:57thor_ the existing plugins all have log() and warning() methods which get around the fact that everything is in its own thread
16:58thor_ just sends events
16:58thor_ not sophisticated
16:58knight well, couldnt we create a statistics thread that is thread-safe that the other threads could send a signal to?
16:58thor_ or a method in the mfd that serializes access, yup
16:58knight yeah that would be nice
16:59thor_ but there's bits being sent all over the place
16:59thor_ knight, you have an HTTP/1.0 browser ?
16:59knight oh you didnt abstract the sends and receives?
16:59thor_ well, there's http
16:59knight probably not, i bet lynx is 1.1 compliant
17:00thor_ it's sending 1.0
17:00knight if you were to abstract the sends and receives, you can put the calls to bandwidth tracking there
17:00thor_ heh
17:00thor_ version 3.0
17:00knight hah
17:01thor_ hmm
17:01knight real quick, give me a line number with some send code
17:01kvandivo 3293
17:01knight hah
17:01o_cee [DOA]Tarkie: url? (seems i might end up doing that part)
17:01o_cee :)
17:02thor_ knight, look in mfdlib/httpresponse.cpp
17:02knight thor, so all the daap stuff is over http 1.0?
17:02thor_ 1.1
17:02knight ok
17:02thor_ but it's spitting out errors here about your browser being 1.0
17:03thor_ who is that "hello"
17:03knight eh?
17:03knight I've used iTunes and Firefox
17:03thor_ 80.212.210.81 ?
17:04* niqo is a thor_ client ;)
17:04thor_ heh
17:04niqo just had to
17:04thor_ thought there was someone else on there
17:04niqo sorry
17:04thor_ cool, it crashed
17:04knight hah
17:04niqo that was 'halt', btw
17:04thor_ heh
17:05thor_ it didn't crash
17:05thor_ niqo shut it down
17:05thor_ heh
17:05[DOA]Tarkie o_cee, i'll dig it out, there should be a complete source tree as its an opensource add-on
17:05[DOA]Tarkie sec
17:05niqo this is much fun
17:05knight thor, how about emitting a signal from HttpResponse::sendBlock to a statistics thread?
17:05knight it'll tell us which client, etc.
17:05* niqo remembered reading the readme
17:06thor_ can't do Qt type signal (easily) from within all the threads
17:06knight why not?
17:06[DOA]Tarkie o_cee, complete source tree here : http://empeg-hijack.sourceforge.net/v348.tar.bz2 (17mb)
17:06o_cee oookay, thanks..
17:06[DOA]Tarkie o_cee, there will be tons to throw away, as that is a kernel module for the empeg
17:07o_cee oh..
17:07o_cee i'll have to look at it tomorrow
17:07niqo does someone have a 5min problem i can work on (i'm bored)
17:07o_cee niqo: lemme think
17:07Chutt thor, signals don't involve the eventloop at all
17:07Chutt thor, they're just function calls
17:07knight yep
17:08knight so we'd just have to serialize it in the statistics thread
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17:08o_cee niqo: dunno about 5 mins, and you probably never touched that code.. but i'd like a "pressed" state in the menus to be able to make gant menuitems all black when they're pressed/loading
17:08thor_ " QObject and all of its subclasses are not thread-safe. This includes the entire event delivery system."
17:09Chutt thor, yeah, but signals aren't events
17:09Chutt postEvent/sendEvent aren't thread safe
17:09thor_ yeah, but they fire right away
17:09thor_ the signals
17:09thor_ so you've got to make sure everything at the other end is thread safe
17:09niqo signals = function calls
17:09knight yep, which is fine if we serialize
17:10thor_ however, I have been operating under the mistaken assumption that QApp::postEvent() was thread safe
17:10Chutt heh
17:11thor_ it cannot be hard to serialize that though
17:11Chutt postEvent is, sorry
17:11[DOA]Tarkie o_cee, here are pictures of the web interface - http://427.org/empeg/
17:11thor_ thought so
17:11thor_ well ... hoped so
17:11Chutt sentEvent is less safe
17:12knight anyways
17:12jams holy crap, commerical skip really messed up this time. It only kept the commerical's and cut the program
17:12[DOA]Tarkie lol
17:12Chutt jams, that's why you're supposed to check things :p
17:12knight we can just add an emit in sendBlock()
17:12thor_ sure
17:13jams good thing that was a test run of removing the strict checking
17:13knight and then connect each instance of httpresponse up with a single statistics thread
17:13thor_ not sure you need a thread just to do adding up ...
17:14knight well, you'd want one otherwise the statistics could be old :)
17:14Chutt "This will create directories as Ripping."
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17:14Chutt ok, what the hell does that mean?
17:14knight haha
17:14o_cee hehhehe
17:14o_cee ah
17:14thor_ all your rippings belong us
17:14o_cee maybe that it'll create the dirs as it rips
17:15knight all your ripping are belong to us
17:16Chutt it's for the cd burning stuff.
17:16Chutt to put it into more context
17:16knight thor, so i guess an emit at lines 547 and 553 would do eh?
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17:17thor_ well, that's definitely not the only place data flows out
17:17knight well, for file data it is right?
17:17thor_ but, it's a start
17:18o_cee Chutt: you better ask him:) maybe it'll create dirs on the cd? nah..
17:18thor_ and that would skip the header bytes
17:18thor_ but it would be the vast majority of it
17:19knight right
17:19o_cee Chutt: when getting backtrace, does any --verbose make sense as useful?
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17:20o_cee ah crap, forgot i had a recording going on now while messing with the backend.. blargh, ah well
17:20Chutt not really
17:20o_cee okay
17:20o_cee will see after this one finishes
17:20thor_ knight, see also streamFile()
17:21knight yeah but streamFile() calls sendBlock
17:21knight which even the header is sent through
17:21thor_ ah yes, so it does
17:21knight sendBlock() would have almost all the content
17:21thor_ bit of a mess that class ... all the conversion stuff should be in a subclass
17:21knight readBlock() is the same but the other direction
17:22knight yeah
17:22knight it should be abstracted a little more
17:22thor_ crawl, walk, run
17:22knight but it's not horrid
17:22thor_ bit silly to have all that in every response object
17:22knight actually, scratch the readBlock() comment
17:23knight silly to have sendBlock()?
17:23thor_ no, all the conversion stuff
17:23knight ahh yep
17:24knight at most, the response should hold the data, and facilitate the communications to a lower socket object
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17:38Chutt blah
17:38Chutt 2 more functions to rewrite.
17:39thor_ heh
17:39thor_ quite the "patch"
17:39knight heh
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17:41Chutt the guy's just never used c++ before
17:41Chutt or qt
17:41kvandivo which patch is it?
17:41o_cee Chutt: it's written in java?
17:42Chutt the cd burning one
17:42kvandivo nod
17:42knight yay :)
17:42o_cee :)
17:43knight Chutt, I've been putting some thought into the one plugin at a time issue... what if we had all the plugins loaded and "running" at once, and hid the gui's so they could talk to each other?
17:44Chutt they are all loaded and running at once
17:44knight doh
17:44knight so nothing is stopping them from running at once?
17:44Chutt there's just nothing running with any of them right now
17:44Chutt nope
17:44knight gotcha
17:44knight so we just need to write a messaging mechanism to get them to interact?
17:44Chutt already has one
17:44knight hah
17:44knight shows how much i've been paying attention
17:44Chutt qt's event stuff passes messages quite nicely
17:44knight i should really get out from under this rock
17:44knight indeed
17:45Chutt there's already a message passing wrapper written that goes through the context
17:45Chutt which is global
17:45Chutt all objects have to do is register with the context that they want to get messages
17:47knight i should look into that
17:47lmatter so, for example, it wouldn't be difficult to play music during a gallery slideshow?
17:47knight correct
17:47lmatter cool.
17:47Chutt well
17:47knight or to be in mythmusic playing songs, and select songs to burn, and send off the batch
17:47Chutt that's going to use mfd
17:48Chutt that's what it's there for =)
17:48thor_ ah ha!
17:48jams Anybody care to point me in the right directon for why the OSD causes tv playback to pause for about a second?
17:49Chutt your cpu is slow?
17:49thor_ achingly slow computer?
17:49bitbyte thats what i wa thinkin, but i dont know anything
17:49bitbyte ...bout myth
17:49bitbyte or a slow drive
17:50jams eh it's a 1.6p4 with 90% idle
17:51bitbyte what are the div specs
17:51bitbyte drive
17:51thor_ crappy video card with no XV?
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17:52jams well at the risk of violating the channel support rules. It's a nvida 5200fx, binary drivers(4363). 7200RPM with dma enabled
17:52o_cee jams: to late
17:53o_cee Chutt: you took a break from the osd stuff?
17:53Chutt need to get patches applied
17:53o_cee heh :)
17:53Chutt so i have to stop development to rewrite crappy patches
17:53o_cee that's not like you
17:54o_cee :)
17:57niqo rewriting stuff is very boring and repetetive stuff..
17:57* niqo wonders if there's much possibility of him putting some more stuff in there
18:01jams wow kerneldeint=2 looks better then live tv. Well done !!!
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18:02o_cee haven't tried filters at all.. maybe i should
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18:03knight what was my quit message?
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18:04o_cee har avslutat = has quit
18:04knight- ok
18:06o_cee Captain_Murdoch: is there any verbose level for the backend that shows comercial detection stuff?
18:06o_cee like mythcommflag shows
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18:22mdz niqo: ALSA and arts in what?
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18:23niqo the debs..
18:24niqo from what i could see from your patch of settings.pro, you only have oss support
18:25mdz the ALSA support in mythtv didn't work the last time I checked
18:26mdz I didn't know about arts; that must be new
18:26thor_ knight, I'm going to shut this down
18:26knight- sure
18:26knight- my itunes hung trying to connect anyways
18:26knight- hehe
18:26niqo what happened? worked fine here when i tested the audio dialog box (short period only)
18:26knight- it's still saying CONNECTING
18:26thor_ heh, iTunes is a bit braindead
18:27knight- yeah
18:27knight- I click "STOP" and it does nothing to stop it
18:27knight- hah
18:28thor_ you have to kill it from the task manager
18:29thor_ which is part of the reason it was serious pain in the ass to get the DAAP stuff working
18:29o_cee gnight
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18:39niqo wonder why mythtv never creates .mythtv...
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19:17niqo help: o_cee requested a pressed genericbutton, i've done the parsing and loading (simple), the select handler in TMP needs a slightly modified paintButton call before and after the select, right?
19:17mdz odd, qmake didn' tupdae the dependencies for filter_postprocess.c
19:18mdz didn't update
19:18* niqo detached..
19:22* niqo reattached..
19:22niqo what's that mdz?
19:23niqo didn't inluce the avcoedc in the makefile?
19:23niqo damn, drunk and tired
19:24niqo sad, ain't it
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19:29knight- Chutt, I'm still having a hard time deciding where in the theme selector to put the theme downloading feature
19:29knight- Like, whether to create a new screen that pops up to choose which to download
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19:38niqo o_cee: i failed, can't figure out where to set the image/parameters, shout if you want the patch anyhow...
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20:07linagee are mythtv's mysql connections persistant, or does it make a new connection every time it needs to make a new query?
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20:11linagee someone needs to make a module for mythtv, where it has the website that every channel owns. say for the program Monk... it will do a google search for "monk site:usanetwork.com" and deliver the first result. :)
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20:21mikegrb hahaha
20:21mikegrb mythtv is mentioned if you open a bios in a hexeditor
20:21mikegrb pwahaha
20:21knight- hahaha
20:22knight- which?
20:22mikegrb "mikegrb<3mythtv"
20:22mikegrb and I'm not even directly responsible
20:22knight- mikegrb <3's mythtv
20:22knight- haha
20:22-!- Irssi: #mythtv: Total of 62 nicks 0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 62 normal
20:32linagee mikegrb: what bios is this? lol
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20:39Dyrty got it :p had to remove -fPIC from my compile options
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21:08mikegrb linagee: it is an xbox bios
21:09linagee mikegrb: i don't get it.... why would it have your nickname in there?
21:09mikegrb umm
21:09mikegrb well I'm rather involved with xbox stuff
21:09linagee mikegrb: did you help edit the xbox bios, or is this a custom job...
21:09linagee mikegrb: so you work for microshaft? :)
21:10mikegrb and the particular person that added that to the bios has had many debates with me about mythtv and tivo and which is better
21:10mikegrb no
21:10mikegrb I'm a developer for xbox-linux and xbox-windows
21:10linagee mikegrb: oic. when you said xbox bios, you mean xbox-linux bios. :)
21:10mikegrb right
21:11linagee mikegrb: interesting. now everyone will have to grep their bios for your nickname and go, oh look. :)
21:11mikegrb heh
21:15linagee do we really need AC in our houses? hrm...
21:15* linagee wonders if you could make a fully DC house...
21:15linagee (afaik, AC is needed for the long distance transmission of power, but what about inter-house?)
21:15mikegrb ac would still be better in house
21:15mikegrb much more efficient
21:15linagee mikegrb: but 60Hz is everywhere. ;)
21:16mikegrb it is in our body too
21:16mikegrb hook yourself up to an osciliscope
21:16mikegrb ;)
21:16linagee mikegrb: no, your body just acts like an antenna for 60Hz. ;)
21:16mikegrb that is one of the reasons 60Hz is so bad for getting shocked
21:16mikegrb nope
21:16linagee mikegrb: get a battery powered o-scope and go outside. hrm...
21:17mikegrb in my electonics school this was an often discussed topic with the professors
21:17linagee mikegrb: i suppose you could hack an existing o-scope and bypass the power transformer circuitry.
21:17linagee mikegrb: deliver DC right into it.
21:17linagee mikegrb: then you could hook it up to a battery and test it out.
21:18mikegrb it wasn't 60hz it was in the neighborhood of 58 point something
21:18linagee mikegrb: afaik, we don't have 60Hz going through us. if you say it's because of our hearts, people have different heart rates...
21:18mikegrb right
21:18linagee mikegrb: i do know there are low frequency things happening around your brain though
21:18linagee mikegrb: that's the very basis of an EEG. ;)
21:19linagee mikegrb: (low frequency = less then 200Hz)
21:19mikegrb people have different rates but the actual impulse that fires our muscles and heart is not dc
21:19mikegrb it is actually ac
21:19mikegrb appearantly
21:19linagee mikegrb: it's not DC or AC. ROFL
21:19linagee mikegrb: neuron -> neuron -> neuron -> etc...
21:19mikegrb yea
21:19mikegrb and there is an electical signal
21:20linagee well, of course it's going to switch off an on a bit as the muscle is needed/not needed
21:21linagee mikegrb: that would be like calling DC as AC because individual electrons are not in one constant stream. :-P
21:21linagee (on a sub microscopic level)
21:23mikegrb no the thing is there are naturally occuring signals in the body at around 58hz
21:23linagee mikegrb: surely that would change with heart rythm
21:23mikegrb because of this being so close to 60hz, 60hz ac has a more significant affect on the body
21:23mikegrb no
21:23linagee mikegrb: hrm
21:23mikegrb it doesn't
21:24mikegrb fairly constant from person to person
21:24linagee mikegrb: so WHY is AC 60Hz then... seems a little silly/scary. lol
21:24mikegrb it isn't 60hz everywhere
21:24mikegrb 60hz works great for things like clocks though
21:24linagee mikegrb: 50Hz/60Hz, pretty much the same thing. :-P
21:24linagee mikegrb: naw
21:24linagee mikegrb: not for TVs either
21:25linagee mikegrb: they haven't made a clock dependant upon 60Hz AC or a TV dependant upon 60Hz AC for decades.
21:25linagee lol
21:25mikegrb yes they have
21:25mikegrb many lowend clocks today are
21:25mikegrb have you not opened one?
21:25mikegrb I note that I am a nuclear electronics technician by trade
21:25linagee mikegrb: i guess i don't have many low end clocks. lol
21:25mikegrb where low end is less then about $30
21:26linagee mikegrb: you would think that 60Hz would work great for TV. divide it in half and you get 30Hz, fairly close to 29.97
21:26linagee mikegrb: but it turns out AC is way to unstable for that. :)
21:26mikegrb not really, the frequency is rather constant
21:26mikegrb reason being multiple generators
21:26linagee and the phase? that is too? ;)
21:27mikegrb if one is a little off, it gets pulled in phase by the others
21:27linagee frequency, phase, and possibly amplitude would be dependant upon any circuit running "right off the AC" :)
21:27mikegrb that is one of the principal checks before paralleling to generators
21:27linagee hmm..
21:27mikegrb not when the source is any magnitude larger then the loads
21:28linagee mikegrb: not really sure...
21:28mikegrb though voltage typically sags temporarly as a new large load comes on, frequency and phase stay pretty much constant
21:28linagee mikegrb: if i had a recording oscilloscope, i could test the AC... :)
21:28mikegrb yup
21:28linagee mikegrb: and if i set a freq generator in phase, i could see the disturbances. :)
21:29mikegrb heh
21:29mikegrb I worked at a nuclear power plant until about 7 moths ago
21:29linagee mikegrb: but i don't have a o-scope, let along freq gen. :(
21:29mikegrb heh
21:29linagee mikegrb: they replaced you with a computer? lol
21:29mikegrb that is what work is for
21:29linagee mikegrb: good ones are in the thousands, really just never got around to it
21:30mikegrb yeah
21:30mikegrb just get a job somewhere with one ;)
21:30linagee mikegrb: they did replace you with a computer? lol
21:30mikegrb sush
21:31linagee mikegrb: what did you do for the nuclear power plant
21:31mikegrb I worked on the control and safety systems
21:31mikegrb maintenance, repair, and testing
21:31mikegrb and then run them, ie set in the drivers seat
21:32linagee mikegrb: isn't it mostly computerized though? i never understood the need for an operator at a nuclear power plant. lol
21:32mikegrb monitor the console
21:32mikegrb but the computerized systems I also work on
21:33linagee i see..
21:33linagee mikegrb: did the govt own this nuclear power plant, or a company, or what?
21:33mikegrb .mil
21:34linagee mikegrb: San Onofre?
21:35mikegrb no
21:35mikegrb nuclear sub
21:35linagee oic...
21:35linagee when you said "nuclear power plant" i thought you meant a land based one
21:35mikegrb so we actually got to do things like parallelling the multiple ac generators
21:35mikegrb paralleling ac generators with shore power and stuff
21:35mikegrb so variables of an ac signal come up quite a bit
21:36linagee not sure i exactly understand...
21:36linagee when you were at shore, you would share power?
21:36mikegrb yes
21:36linagee odd...
21:36linagee i never knew nuclear subs did that kind of thing
21:36mikegrb well for one if you shutdown the reactor the battery doesn't have enough power to start it back up
21:37linagee huh? lol
21:37linagee if it gets shut down, it can't start back up without tons of power?
21:37mikegrb yes
21:37linagee sounds like a car without an alternator. lol
21:37mikegrb for all the computers :p
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21:37mikegrb well with a bad battery
21:38linagee so if you were at like 10% battery left, you couldn't just say, ok, let's start up the nuclear generator now... ;)
21:38mikegrb no
21:38linagee scary
21:38mikegrb but you don't shut the reactor down unless you have shore power anyway
21:38linagee i see.
21:39linagee do they have the same problems with batteries dying after a while that everyone else always has? lol
21:39linagee (when i say dying, i mean refusing to hold a charge)
21:41mikegrb well in large industrial settings batteries are closely watched
21:41* linagee goes off for dinner
21:41linagee ohh
21:41mikegrb ie each individual cells voltage and current is watched when charging and discharging
21:41linagee hm
21:42linagee then they just change invididual cells if need be...
21:42mikegrb yeah
21:43* linagee goes off to eat
21:45knight- whats the best way to compare a string to a QString? if (!myQString.compare( new QString("blah") ) )?
21:45knight- for equality
21:51knight- guess i'll just do this: if ( ( !fi->fileName().localeAwareCompare( QString(".")) == 0) &&
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22:16Captain_Murdo| knight-: why don't you just do this: if (myQstringVariable == "the string I want to compare")
22:16knight- yeah I was doing that, and it wasnt matching
22:16knight- well, fi->fileName().latin1() wasnt anyways
22:17rkulagow captain_murdoch: i added some docs to keys.txt on the recording groups. is there a way to move multiple programs all at once? ie, 10 episodes of "mythbusters", and i want them in the "bob" container.
22:17Captain_Murdo| rkulagow: no, I wonder if I could make it do something like that if you're not on a show but are on the left-hand title side.
22:18rkulagow c_m: that would rock.
22:19rkulagow the other thing i noticed is that if you change a group you need to go down to the "OK" button, as opposed to changing it using left/right and then just pressing select/space/CR.
22:20Captain_Murdo| yeah, o_cee asked about that as well. I looked at that and need to see if I can figure out a way to do that.
22:20rkulagow crap. got to reboot; Nero has wedged. bbiab.
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