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---Logopened Tue Jul 20 00:00:21 2004
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09:16[flg] hi all
09:16laga hi flg
09:17[flg] little question: can myth capture and stream multiple feeds from capture boards?
09:17[flg] :) hi laga
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09:28cooler hail
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09:29cooler who started myth project?
09:29laga isaac
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09:30cooler hmm.. that huge file, xmlparse.cpp, was done by him?
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09:32cooler where the data is encoded ?
09:32laga dunno, i'm not an developer ;)
09:32jmblack IDontKnow (tm) I assume anything that had significant code poching (sp) from another project would have comments within the file stating where it originated from...
09:33jmblack cooler, without any developers here (anyone awake?) it might be easiest to get your answers by searching the mailinglist and/or the documentation at mythtv.org
09:34laga the cvs commits archive maybe
09:34jmblack possibly, but its rather rare for someone to be commiting to that portion of the code
09:36jmblack it seems to me (and I could be horriably wrong...) that mythtv uses ffmpeg libraries to do most (all?) encoding
09:37cooler hmm
09:37jmblack as far as video encoded to disk (when not using hardware encoding, of course)
09:39jmblack the ivtv driver hardware (pvr250,350) writes in mpeg2 pretty much directly to disk, afaik myth doesnt mangle the video stream of the hardware encoding cards at all, besides the .nuv extension that is...
09:40cooler what are those .nuv files?
09:41laga nuppelvideo
09:41jmblack when using software encoding, its the container format that was choosen for use within mythtv (similar to but thought of within the myth community as better then avi)
09:42laga but its used too for hardware encoding
09:42cooler its compacted ?
09:43hlubocky someone help me understand why there is a delay when switching channels? Is it a hardware issue? Software? etc... everyone I talk to says Tivo doesn't have that pause but I don't know for certain. Whenever I ask someone just says "Well Myth does much more than Tivo, etc etc". I'm not being critical, just wondering what the source of the delay is
09:44jmblack no, its actually not used for hardware encoding ;) the files, when using hardware encoding, are in mpeg2, but have a nuv file entension
09:44jmblack they are actually mpeg2
09:44laga hlubocky: mythtv has to delete the old buffer, and create a new, i guess. umm, and it has to be filled :)
09:44laga hlubocky: it dependson the filesystem, prolly
09:45hlubocky I'm just curious because the source for Tivo is available... I'm not sure how they get around the problem
09:45jmblack hlubocky: what size delay are you seeing? TIVO does have a delay, and mythtv's delay can be brought VERY close to what tivo has as far as delay...
09:45cooler source for tivo??
09:45jmblack hlubocky: only tivo's changes to teh kernel, NOT the tivo application
09:46hlubocky oh I see. I thought all of the source was available
09:46jmblack hlubocky: unless something changed in the last few days/weeks ;)
09:46hlubocky jmblack, mine is about 2 seconds. I'm using XFS
09:46laga mine is like 5. bloody ext2! :)
09:46* hlubocky snickers.
09:46jmblack reasonable, and roughly what teh tivo is actually.... do you also own a tivo?
09:47jmblack I mean, can you do side by side comparisions....
09:47hlubocky I don't, thats why I was wondering. I asked some guys here at work and they said they didn't notice a delay, but maybe there is and they just don't know what I am talking about
09:47jmblack their is, heh
09:47hlubocky gotcha, well that makes more sense then
09:48jmblack hlubocky: you might want to glance through the docs btw, Im fairly sure this particular question is covered :)
09:48jmblack hlubocky: itll save frustration on your e4nd :P
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10:05silly1 hey dudes... feature request plz.. a way to delete songs from mythmusic
10:05silly1 thanks
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15:35Chutt o_cee, use current cvs, see if your " bug is still there
15:35o_cee Chutt, thanks alot, i'll verify it tomorrow morning, the box is in use now
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17:01o_cee Chutt, first test seems to be working. added \" to the description and it seems to be ok. will try mythfilldatabase shortly as well
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17:20o_cee Chutt, seems like it's fixed where inserting into ehm, 'recorded', but not 'oldrecorded'
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17:26bbeattie what's the command to get a diff of a file, and who do we send doc diff's to?
17:27bbeattie diff of a file off of cvs
17:28Chutt cvs -z3 diff -ud > diff.diff
17:28Chutt to the list, preferably
17:31bbeattie Chutt: just the sgml diff though correct?
17:33bbeattie I just realized I should have not just edited the .txt file :)
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17:37mchou Chutt, I completely messed up my codecparams table. If I clear all card info through setup, would it be restored with the defaults (that came with myth)?
17:39bbeattie Chutt: do you request doc diff's in only sgml, or does someone who does the commits and knows sgml better accept a txt diff?
17:39diagdave i no this aint a support channel but can i ask if myth tv can run on mac osx as a front end
17:40Chutt mchou, yes
17:40Chutt bbeattie, either works
17:42mchou Chutt:ok, thx
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18:16o_cee Chutt, \" looks ok in mythweb now, didn't before.
18:17o_cee DB Error (addHistory):
18:17o_cee still the same though
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20:21mtniur does anyone know if lirc works with kernel 2.6.7?
20:22Chutt why not ask the lirc people?
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20:23mtniur where do I find them?
20:25hadees mtniur: try #mythtv-users
20:25mtniur ok, thanks
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23:01kslater Chutt: do you have a gift wishlist? Or is there some other way to reward you guys that made this great thing?
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23:44quink_ were there any significant changes with mythdvd in the .15 release?
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