| --- | Log | opened Tue Sep 14 00:00:22 2004 |
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| 00:29 | Beirdo | Hmmm |
| 00:29 | Beirdo | Why are there 3-4 audio frames in the NUV file before the first sync point? |
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| 01:45 | fishhead | http://people.redhat.com/dmalcolm/stateless/stateless-linux-HOWTO-en/index.html#sn-overview-servers <--- this might own your "CANUCK" |
| 01:46 | | * fishhead goodnight all |
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| 01:57 | Beirdo | Captain_Murdoch: you have any idea why NUV files consitantly have audio frames before the first seek point and sync frames? |
| 01:58 | Chutt | because the seek points and sync frames are tied to video, not audio. |
| 01:59 | Chutt | and audio frames are shorter than video frames. |
| 01:59 | Beirdo | ah, OK |
| 01:59 | Beirdo | are those actual useful audio frames? |
| 01:59 | Chutt | the data's valid |
| 01:59 | Captain_Murdo | | ^--- what he said |
| 01:59 | Chutt | timestamps might not be, though |
| 01:59 | Chutt | shouldn't really matter either way |
| 02:00 | Beirdo | OK. the Frame in GOP are uninitialized, it seems |
| 02:00 | Beirdo | OK, just curious without reading the code in detail |
| 02:01 | Beirdo | and after a transcode, I've seen a case where the timestamps on those frames were invalid a bit |
| 02:01 | Beirdo | Audio: Type: 3 FinGOP: 56 Filter: 0 Time: 0.020 Len: 417 |
| 02:01 | Beirdo | Audio: Type: 3 FinGOP: 56 Filter: 0 Time: 0.045 (+0.025) Len: 418 |
| 02:01 | Beirdo | Audio: Type: 3 FinGOP: 56 Filter: 0 Time: 0.044 (+0.-01) Len: 418 |
| 02:01 | Beirdo | Audio: Type: 3 FinGOP: 56 Filter: 0 Time: 0.068 (+0.024) Len: 418 |
| 02:01 | Beirdo | Audio: Type: 3 FinGOP: 56 Filter: 0 Time: 0.090 (+0.022) Len: 418 |
| 02:02 | Beirdo | the third audio frame is before the second... interesting, huh? :) |
| 02:02 | Chutt | what the hell is frame in gop? |
| 02:03 | Beirdo | let me go take a look, one sec |
| 02:03 | Chutt | the 'keyframe' field? |
| 02:03 | Chutt | that's not set for audio. |
| 02:04 | thor_ | Well, it was the party of Lincoln |
| 02:04 | Beirdo | yep, keyframe |
| 02:04 | Beirdo | I just had to check my code |
| 02:05 | Chutt | that value's completely uninitialized for the audio frame :p |
| 02:05 | Beirdo | heh |
| 02:05 | Beirdo | good to know |
| 02:05 | Beirdo | still, the negative change in timestamp is rather interesting. :) |
| 02:06 | Beirdo | I think for the AVI, I might just try turfing all audio before the first sync frame |
| 02:06 | Beirdo | I dunno |
| 02:07 | Beirdo | another interesting thing I noted: the transcoded one had an audio bitrate as 42501 in the header |
| 02:07 | Beirdo | sorry, extended data frame |
| 02:07 | fishhead | HEY |
| 02:07 | fishhead | NO QUESTIONS YOU STUPID CANUCK |
| 02:07 | | * fishhead punches beirdo |
| 02:07 | Beirdo | but the effective DSP rate was 44092.86 at the end |
| 02:08 | Beirdo | fishhead: piss off |
| 02:08 | fishhead | no! they wouldn |
| 02:08 | fishhead | let me ask a tech related question either so why should you :P |
| 02:08 | Chutt | you didn't have a tech related question |
| 02:08 | fishhead | chutt I am just picking on beirdo |
| 02:09 | fishhead | he's cool actually :) |
| 02:09 | Chutt | you're being an annoyance |
| 02:09 | Chutt | if you continue to be one, you won't be in here anymore |
| 02:09 | fishhead | that's ok I am going to die soon anyways |
| 02:10 | Beirdo | Chutt: so anyways, I dunno if these are indicative of bugs or not, they just strike me as oddities :) |
| 02:10 | Chutt | the effective dsp is what's really used |
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| 02:11 | Chutt | the one in the header's just there to prime things so it doesn't have to search for a valid effdsp value |
| 02:11 | Beirdo | OK, that's what I figured. I was using it to set the bitrate in the AVI header too. Hmmm |
| 02:11 | Beirdo | I'll have to figure out how to mess with that |
| 02:11 | Chutt | probably should use an average of all effdsp values throughout the file |
| 02:11 | Chutt | 'slong as they're valid, of course |
| 02:12 | Beirdo | which I won't know until the end of the file, and I need to set that at the beginning of the file. I'll think it over when I'm more sober |
| 02:13 | Beirdo | the first audio sync frame after the transcode was: |
| 02:13 | Beirdo | Sync: Type: A Time: 7314285 Length: 0 |
| 02:13 | Chutt | see, invalid :p |
| 02:13 | Beirdo | which is just lovely, but that's life :) |
| 02:13 | TechJosh | I know this isn't the users group, but theres a new feature in v.16 that noone there knows how to use... may I ask it here? |
| 02:14 | Chutt | no |
| 02:14 | TechJosh | ok |
| 02:14 | Chutt | use the list. |
| 02:14 | Beirdo | as you said, it's not an easy task to get the AVI synced |
| 02:14 | thor_ | Beirdo, I think he's trying to impress upon you why avi is a broken concept |
| 02:14 | Beirdo | just thought I'd report in some of the oddities in the nuv files :) |
| 02:14 | Chutt | there's some wonky code in NVR.cpp |
| 02:14 | Chutt | but it's all correctible, so i've never bothered to go fix it |
| 02:15 | Beirdo | thor_: yeah, I realize that. AVI does suck, it's too bad so many things use it :) |
| 02:15 | thor_ | yup |
| 02:15 | thor_ | and bravo for your efforts |
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| 02:15 | Chutt | any reason people don't want to use .mov? |
| 02:15 | Beirdo | so I'm giving it my best shot |
| 02:15 | Beirdo | hmmm |
| 02:15 | Beirdo | I honestly hadn't even considered that |
| 02:15 | Beirdo | does transcode use .mov? I don't even remember |
| 02:16 | Chutt | i dunno |
| 02:16 | thor_ | transcode does almost everything |
| 02:16 | Beirdo | something to look into later I guess |
| 02:16 | Chutt | it is the standard format for mpeg4 |
| 02:16 | Beirdo | yeah. |
| 02:16 | thor_ | well defined, yadda yadda |
| 02:16 | Beirdo | as for rtjpeg, I'll need to reencode it anyways... I'm thinking mjpeg |
| 02:16 | Chutt | ew |
| 02:16 | Chutt | no |
| 02:17 | Chutt | if you're going to reencode, go for mpeg4 |
| 02:17 | Chutt | code's already all there to do that |
| 02:17 | Beirdo | hmmm, well at that point, why not just use nuvexport? |
| 02:17 | Beirdo | but good point |
| 02:17 | xris | yeah. if you're going to reencode, no need to reinvent something. |
| 02:18 | Beirdo | well, ffmpeg has a lot of codecs supported, I don't care that much |
| 02:18 | Chutt | you do have to handle mjpeg wrapped in nuv too, you realize :p |
| 02:18 | Beirdo | yep |
| 02:18 | Beirdo | :) |
| 02:18 | Chutt | not that that's any different |
| 02:18 | Chutt | and not that it's used by more than 2 or 3 people |
| 02:18 | Beirdo | that shouldn't be too bad I don't think, not once MPEG4 behaves |
| 02:19 | Beirdo | And I'd have no way to test it... |
| 02:19 | Beirdo | Hmmm |
| 02:19 | Beirdo | will have to bribe the 2 or 3 people to send me a recording or two for testing if I can find them |
| 02:19 | Chutt | if you use the code that's already in myth, you don't have to worry :p |
| 02:20 | thor_ | Chutt, on the collapsed notion of GenericTree/GenericUIListTree, should that object exist in libmyth (i.e. not graphical by nature) or in libmythui (i.e. nothing else uses it) |
| 02:20 | thor_ | ? |
| 02:20 | Beirdo | well, it's the resynchronization that's the issue |
| 02:20 | Chutt | ui, i think |
| 02:20 | thor_ | k |
| 02:21 | Beirdo | just turfing the packets into an AVI container is easy, that's how far I've gotten with MPEG4 so far |
| 02:21 | thor_ | Beirdo, btw, where do you live in Toronto? |
| 02:21 | Beirdo | and for my test recordings from my devel box, they are perfectly synced |
| 02:21 | Beirdo | for xris, it buggered royally :) |
| 02:21 | Beirdo | thor_: Harbourfront |
| 02:22 | Beirdo | right next to the ferry docks |
| 02:22 | thor_ | How far away from Queen's Quay? |
| 02:22 | Beirdo | right on it |
| 02:22 | Beirdo | at Bay St |
| 02:22 | thor_ | ah, great building |
| 02:22 | Beirdo | 65 Harbour Square |
| 02:23 | Beirdo | the second building in. I like it |
| 02:23 | thor_ | nice digs |
| 02:23 | Beirdo | yup :) |
| 02:23 | Beirdo | I have a bachelor suite... with many computers |
| 02:24 | thor_ | Lived in Toronto from '84 to '90 |
| 02:24 | Beirdo | Ahhh. I like Ottawa better, been here almost a year now |
| 02:25 | Beirdo | so tomorrow will be the first run at resynchronization |
| 02:25 | thor_ | hmmmm ... "like Ottawa better" ... you are a civil servant and you were Berkenstocks, even in the winter? |
| 02:26 | Beirdo | I *hope* I don't have to reencode audio, but one never knows |
| 02:26 | thor_ | err, wear |
| 02:26 | Chutt | just add/drop frames |
| 02:26 | Beirdo | heheh, no, high-tech, but I do wear sandals a lot |
| 02:26 | Beirdo | Chutt: won't that break the GOP in MPEG4? |
| 02:26 | Chutt | eh, probably |
| 02:26 | Beirdo | heh. |
| 02:27 | Chutt | guess it would be easier to fuck with the audio |
| 02:27 | Beirdo | yup. :) That's what I was thinking |
| 02:28 | thor_ | btw, has anyone else been able to verify that "child playing" of mythvideo files is broken in 0.16? |
| 02:28 | Chutt | no, but that patch looked suspect |
| 02:28 | thor_ | did not seem right to me, but I only glanced at it |
| 02:28 | Chutt | bugs 84/85/86 are all mythvideo |
| 02:28 | Chutt | not sure who i should give ownership of mythvideo bugs to |
| 02:28 | Chutt | you, or geckofiend? |
| 02:29 | thor_ | well ... |
| 02:29 | thor_ | geckofiend if he'll take 'em, me otherwise |
| 02:29 | Chutt | i'll ask him tomorrow, then |
| 02:29 | thor_ | k |
| 02:32 | thor_ | there's that whole mythvideo/utf-8 thing as well ... I can deal with it if need be |
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| 02:32 | Chutt | that patch also didn't look correct |
| 02:33 | thor_ | nope |
| 02:33 | thor_ | but that kind of stuff takes time to think through |
| 02:35 | Chutt | yup |
| 02:35 | Chutt | ah well |
| 02:35 | Chutt | bed time to me |
| 02:35 | Beirdo | I should follow suit |
| 02:35 | thor_ | bah, work |
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| 05:55 | GeckoFiend | Chutt I'll take em |
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| 09:16 | tehh` | the xmame options are hardcoded somewhere in mythgame 0.16 ? |
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| 12:22 | Baylink | FYI: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/09/14/ati_theater_550_pro/ |
| 12:24 | Chutt | *cough* we don't care about ati here *cough* |
| 12:24 | Chutt | :p |
| 12:27 | Baylink | You might wanna read the piece. I'm *sure* it will come up on *someone's* radar... though likely more CK's than yours. |
| 12:27 | Baylink | :-) |
| 12:27 | Baylink | Hey; my radeon 9200 works pretty decently. |
| 12:31 | Chutt | you just think that =) |
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| 12:39 | Baylink | Yeah, probably. As a guy who spends a lot of time staring at Ikegami monitors hooked to HL-58's, I'm not impressed, but for the amount of bandwidth a -250 can grab hooked to analog cable, it ain't bad. |
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| 12:49 | nolcai | hi to all.have you know somthings about mythtv and epia mainboards? |
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| 12:51 | Baylink | <phew> |
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| 13:34 | Chutt | geckofiend, thanks - i made you default owner of mythvideo bugs, and reassigned those 3 to you |
| 13:36 | o_c | any reported issues with gant on -users? |
| 13:41 | tehh` | it's kinda "to developer"s question, no way to set xmame options manually in some field? i need to remove some of the hardcoded options |
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| 14:49 | bauer | Is there any way to have a different recording profile on a per channel basis? Most of the time I want to capture using mpeg4 but for a couple channels I want a different recording profile. |
| 14:49 | Chutt | no, and, topic |
| 14:50 | bauer | topic -- opps didn't notice that. Thanks Chutt |
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| 15:10 | riksta | sup |
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| 15:14 | woodwizzle | Hello |
| 15:16 | woodwizzle | I have very marginal programming skills. But I'd really like to help out with myth development, and I've got many feature requests that I know will never get done unless I do 'em myself. What do I need to know to program for mythtv? I'm pretty sure its written in C++ right? |
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| 15:17 | riksta | yes |
| 15:17 | e\ectro | Is it possible to have your TV card change the channels on the Comcast digital cable box |
| 15:17 | e\ectro | ? |
| 15:18 | e\ectro | it is |
| 15:18 | e\ectro | what kind of setup do you need? |
| 15:19 | e\ectro | I have a LeakTek Winfast TV2000 XP Expert |
| 15:19 | e\ectro | now I'm going coax out from the digital cable box, into the TV card, back out to the Television |
| 15:19 | e\ectro | now how can I get my tv card to change channels on the cable box |
| 15:20 | e\ectro | do I need a serial cable hooked up into the back of the cable box? |
| 15:20 | Baylink | electro, man, you need to go over to #mythtv-users for this stuff. |
| 15:20 | e\ectro | ok |
| 15:21 | e\ectro | thanks |
| 15:21 | Baylink | It is, wizzle, yes. |
| 15:21 | Baylink | How good a writer are you? :-) |
| 15:21 | woodwizzle | writer? You mean how good am I at writing code or just writing? |
| 15:22 | Baylink | Writing english. I'm always looking for help on the wiki user's manual... |
| 15:22 | Baylink | http://www.mythtv.info |
| 15:22 | woodwizzle | English is my natice tounge. And I got an A+ in college english =) |
| 15:23 | woodwizzle | umm... native that is (i usually have a spell checker) |
| 15:23 | woodwizzle | =) |
| 15:23 | Baylink | And particularly http://www.mythtv.info/moin.cgi/UserManual, which is linked, but so far not in any place exceptionally public. |
| 15:24 | Baylink | It's ok, we've got half a dozen editors, including me. :-) |
| 15:24 | Baylink | You put it down, we'll pick it up. |
| 15:24 | woodwizzle | Hmm, I wasn't even aware of that site |
| 15:25 | woodwizzle | I'd love to help the documentation project |
| 15:27 | woodwizzle | But the reason I asked about coding is because I have a couple ideas that I *think* may not be beyond the scope of my programming skill, but I'd have to do a refresher on C++ and I'd need to get familiar with the mythcode |
| 15:28 | woodwizzle | For instance, I'd like to expand the system status screen to have info like HDD space left, CPU and Ram load, LM-sensors (My box gets kinda hot and I have yet to optimize the airflow, but as it is now, I have to reboot to my bios to chek the CPU temps) |
| 15:30 | woodwizzle | What kinda help is needed on the user manual site? |
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| 15:45 | Baylink | Anything you can supply. Me personally, I'd like to see the stuff you mention, along with what's being recorded and where, show up on the OSD at a keypress. |
| 15:45 | riksta | i've kinda worked out a fix for tv_grab_uk_rt to get it working again after RT have blocked it |
| 15:45 | riksta | you can change the HTTP_AGENT string to something other than the perl default |
| 16:04 | dopester | riksta: you use dvb by chance? |
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| 16:21 | riksta | dopester yeah mate |
| 16:21 | riksta | remember im the one that mailed you |
| 16:22 | riksta | to test ure new stuff |
| 16:53 | splat1 | nn all |
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| 17:21 | dopester | oh yeah thats right.. geezz.. ive been having trouble finding time to get all this done.. |
| 17:21 | riksta | ;) |
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| 17:24 | riksta | dopester, have you fixed your tv_grab_uk_rt ? |
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| 17:26 | riksta | oh you aren't english are you ;) |
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| 17:33 | dopester | cant get uk tv here :) |
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| 22:24 | fishhead | http://www.collegian.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2004/09/14/41471e15b64b1 <--- wind power drops to 1 cent/kwh :) |
| 22:31 | Baylink | Yeah, we read /., too. |
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| 22:47 | Chutt | geez. |
| 22:47 | Chutt | don't people know how to cut out stuff from emails? |
| 22:49 | Captain_Murdo | | most not. 10-level deep email threads at the office is enough to tell me that. |
| 22:50 | Beirdo | and the 200 lines with like 3 line response. |
| 22:51 | Beirdo | sigh |
| 22:52 | Baylink | They do not get trained, in a regular troupe... |
| 22:52 | Baylink | And I smacked the "please do not bottom post" guy, off list. |
| 22:53 | Beirdo | hhe |
| 22:54 | Beirdo | top posting vs bottom posting doesn't bother me much |
| 22:54 | Beirdo | I grew up with bottom posting, so I do it that way :) |
| 22:55 | Beirdo | just seems to make more sense anyways |
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| 23:11 | | * fishhead goes back to his anime, later all |
| 23:11 | mocker | Damn catchall accounts. |
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| 23:14 | | * mocker loves the find command. |
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