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---Logopened Tue Nov 09 00:00:54 2004
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00:30mikegrb Dark-Man: $500
00:30Dark-Man :_
00:30Dark-Man thanks
00:30Dark-Man :)
00:30mikegrb np
00:31dopester i got a 250 i'll sell ya for 450 :)
00:32mikegrb wow dopester you are cccccrazy
00:32dopester heh :)
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01:50thor_ bah
01:50Chutt hey
01:51thor_ how goes the basement?
01:51Chutt gettin there
01:51thor_ cool
01:51Chutt ceiling's 75% done, carpet should be installed in a couple weeks
01:51thor_ how's nvidia treating you?
01:51Chutt i've just got to cut a bunch of ceiling tile, basically
01:51Chutt great =)
01:52thor_ sorry for the lack of libmuthui commits
01:52thor_ err, libmythui
01:52Chutt heh
01:52Chutt seen anything from me? :p
01:52thor_ uhm, well, no
01:52Chutt so, no worries =)
01:52thor_ yup
01:53thor_ just that I have a bunch of things on the verge of being useful
01:53Chutt heh
01:53thor_ anyway, ... soon
01:53Chutt cool.
01:55thor_ so, you're happy @ nvidia?
01:55Chutt yeah, so far
01:55thor_ cool
01:56thor_ part of the reason I've been so busy is that I'm on the verge of funding a couple of things
01:56Chutt ah, heh
01:56thor_ so just thinking about people and positions
01:57thor_ and, I dunno
01:58thor_ just vaguely curious about your current employment situation
01:58thor_ but glad to hear nvidia is treating you well
01:59Chutt well, i'm doing fairly interesting stuff, the company itself is doing pretty well, etc
01:59thor_ yup, yup
02:00thor_ but it's still just writing graphics drivers, no?
02:01thor_ well, maybe you can't answer that
02:01Chutt nope, application dev
02:02thor_ I was at a conference at Rutgers on friday, and a bunch of people I used to work with were bugging me ...
02:02thor_ to put them in touch with "technical" people
02:02thor_ who might want to work at a "center for advanced research"
02:03thor_ (this is within a friggin accounting company, mind you)
02:03Chutt heh
02:05thor_ anyhoo
02:05thor_ if you get annoyed with nvidia
02:05Chutt of course =)
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02:07thor_ Any idea where the ivtv is going?
02:07thor_ err, ivtv stuff
02:08thor_ ie. is the kernel-acceptable push going to happen?
02:08Chutt i dunno
02:08Chutt would be nice, but...
02:08thor_ yeah
02:08Chutt i haven't really been doing much more than skimming the lists lately
02:09thor_ so, while I've got you, a philosophical point ...
02:10thor_ everything I'm working on now is geared toward interfaces
02:10thor_ mostly do to with the mfd
02:10thor_ but, more generally,
02:11thor_ the idea of exposing content, recording resources, etc.
02:12thor_ to network consumption
02:12Chutt right
02:12thor_ and ease of use
02:12thor_ that's the hard part
02:15thor_ the incredibly annoying thing, from my end, is that I know you could solve all of these problems, if only the community could pay for your 9 to 5
02:15Chutt heh
02:15Chutt yeah, but, the community would want actual support from me, then
02:15thor_ yup
02:16thor_ etc., etc.
02:16Chutt and it really wouldn't be anything remotely stable
02:16thor_ exactly
02:17LLyric Man, commercial flagging takes a while if you use anything other than blank-detection...
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02:18LLyric Took 16 minutes to flag a 30 minute episode of the Simpsons
02:18thor_ ... like trying to explain to -user people that "features" are not just handed down by god ...
02:18LLyric Ewps, wrong channel, sorry :)
02:18Chutt heh
02:19LLyric How does Chris find the time to get as much done as he does?
02:19LLyric It's friggin' amazing
02:19LLyric Presumably he's got a job too?
02:19Chutt kennedy?
02:19LLyric Yeah
02:19Chutt he works on it for his job, and he's not really doing all that much
02:19Chutt the code's all _written_, he's just changing little bits here and there
02:19LLyric It's not about LOC, of course, but it's tricky (which is hard)
02:20thor_ And the original mythweb core was so brilliantly conceived that extensions would be sublimely easy
02:21Chutt heh
02:21* LLyric thinking about ivtv more than myth, I guess
02:21Chutt thor, so, if i had $1 per download...
02:21LLyric Myth is one of those things where you can keep adding features :)
02:21Chutt (that's 20k downloads a month, roughly)
02:21Chutt from the main site, of course, not counting bins
02:22thor_ Chutt, if you want to do this for a living, you can ...
02:22Chutt yeah, but it'd suck
02:22LLyric There's still lots of bugs you could fix, and features you could add :)
02:22Chutt and, i kinda am, anyway
02:22thor_ yup
02:22Chutt what i'm doing for work isn't _terribly_ different
02:23thor_ heh, I was in SF last month talking to the archive.org guys
02:23thor_ everyone knows myth is the cats pyjamas
02:23thor_ you could dop this for a living
02:23thor_ err, do
02:24thor_ but it would be a highly speculative thing
02:24Chutt yup
02:24Chutt not exactly what i want right now
02:24Chutt ah well
02:24thor_ exactly
02:24Chutt i gotta go to sleep :(
02:24LLyric This is verging on a mythtv-users question - but where would I find the docs for what parameters myth uses when it invokes a tv_grab_xx? I've resurrected tv_grab_nz to work with a new datasource, and implemented enough to make it work, but thought I might be missing a bit :)
02:24Chutt llyric, programs/mythfilldatabase/filldata.cpp
02:24LLyric I can output the parameters that it's actually invoked with, of course, but that's reverse engineering :)
02:24Chutt it's all laid out in there
02:25* LLyric should probably submit his tv_grab_nz I suppose
02:25* thor_ is going to pee
02:38* LLyric cleans up his grabber for submission to xmltv
02:38Beirdo and another of my coworkers is impressed enough by myth that he's going to set it up this weekend :)
02:38Beirdo This is all good stuff
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02:43thor_ Berido, how's the weather in TO?
02:44thor_ (I'm heading up there next weekend with all the kids in tow)
02:45thor_ err, Beirdo
02:46Beirdo Well, getting pretty chilly
02:46Beirdo but thankfully hasn't been raining too much
02:47thor_ no snow/sleet yet?
02:47Beirdo and not snowing yet :)
02:47Beirdo so all is well (so far)
02:47thor_ cool
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02:49Beirdo bedtime
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12:04streamtrade can someone point me to a doc that talks about keeping a binary version and a compiled dev version on the same machine? I am looking to build myth from the latest cvs but I would like to keep my working .16 release.
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13:03Wildgoose just install them in different directories... You need to muck around a little with lib path variables to make it work
13:04Wildgoose Something like "export LD_LIBRARYPATH=/tmp/install1/lib" then run the appropriate binary
13:04Wildgoose Or you can statically link everything...
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13:16streamtrade Is cvs.mythtv.org still the host for cvs? I get an unknown host error today (also searching on gossamer fails)
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13:24_jay_ hi, my mythtv crashes now when it wasn't doing it before. when i choose live tv or a recorded show, there is sound for about 1 second and no video then it freezes. i'm even unable to get back to kde. but i think the box is still running. help greatly appreciated.
13:28g30_ hard drive full?
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16:11g30_ VIDIOCSYNC: Input/output error
16:11g30_ Multiple bttv errors, further messages supressed
16:11g30_ Can't read vbi data
16:11g30_ any ideas on troubleshooting these errors??
16:11* Beirdo points at the topic
16:12g30_ oh.. fair enough
16:12g30_ Beirdo: thank you
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16:17xris just got my fc3 system up and running, and figured I should get myth installed. I'm getting a compile error from cvs:
16:17xris i386/dsputil_mmx.c: In function `h263_h_loop_filter_mmx':
16:17xris i386/dsputil_mmx.c:634: error: can't find a register in class `GENERAL_REGS' while reloading `asm'
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18:34Wildgoose xris: this is usually a PIC issue, or a "hardened" issue. You run out of registers
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20:58KaiForce wow, just ghosted an IDE myth system to a sata drive and only had to change the fstab entry for the swap partition... that was too easy
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23:35Omnic KaiForce: *ghost* ? dude, dd :>
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