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---Logopened Mon Dec 20 00:00:48 2004
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04:41Saint-K1d Captain_Murdoch, I have a movie capture using mythtv
04:41Saint-K1d and the commercial skip does not work
04:42Saint-K1d would you like to take a look?
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14:14Kyler I was really hoping to be able to hire a developer but I'm tired of beating my head against that wall so I'm going to try to solve one of my problems on my own...I could use some "code philosophy" to get started. My issue surrounds "ChannelBase::ChangeExternalChannel". I'm trying to delay recording until the external change command exits.
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14:15Kyler It appears that ChangeExternalChannel does a blocking waitpid() so I assume that recording is started before even calling it.
14:17Kyler The only place ChangeExternalChannel is called is SetChannelByString.
14:20Captain_Murdo| path is TVRec::HandleStateChange -> TVRec::SetChannel -> Channel::SwitchToInput -> Channel::SetChannelByString. look around line 423 in tv_rec.cpp where it checks (tmpInternalState == KState_None && nextState == kState_RecordingOnly)
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14:23Captain_Murdo| Kyler: got that?
14:23Kyler Yes, I'm still munging on it. I was in tv_rec.cpp earlier and I'm trying to get my head around it still.
14:24Captain_Murdo| the recording is started when the state changes from None to RecordingOnly. that appears to do a channel change before the recording actually starts.
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14:25Kyler Are you saying that the intention (according to your reading of the code) is that recordings shouldn't start until the channel has been tuned?
14:27Captain_Murdo| I think so, but I thought some people ran channel scripts in the background.
14:28Kyler My scripts are not backgrounded yet the old channels and remote keypresses are clearly showing up at the start of each recording. This is especially annoying if all three of my satellite receivers start recording at the same time. It takes awhile for each one to grab the LIRC device and get changed. This leaves me with a bunch of junk at the beginning of the recording.
14:30Captain_Murdo| maybe the card just takes a second to change channels after the command is issued.
14:31Captain_Murdo| or sat receiver I guess since you're probably using composite/svideo in.
14:31Captain_Murdo| (duh since you're using the external channel changer). :) not enough sleep....
14:32Beirdo Captain_Murdoch: I feel for ya.
14:32Beirdo I played Pirates of the Caribbean until 5am
14:32Kyler It certainly does take awhile (seconds) to run the channel change command. It doesn't exit until it's quite finished though. (I even have it sleep a few seconds before sending a "cancel" to clear the program info.)
14:33Captain_Murdo| you mean you went to sleep? :) I couldn't get to sleep (probably too much caffeine), so I just stayed up.
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14:34Beirdo I went to sleep for 4.5h then went to work
14:37Captain_Murdo| Kyler: if you look around line 423 in tv_rec.cpp that is where the channel gets changed. then the recording is started around line 540 it looks like.
14:38Captain_Murdo| try running the channel script manually while watching Live on that sat receiver and see how long it takes to change channels (ie, is it on the new channel when the script exits or does it take a second or two longer to get to the right channel)
14:40Kyler That I've done. The channel is set well before the script exits.
14:41Captain_Murdo| not sure what to tell you, could start by putting some debug printf/cerr/cout statements in tv_rec.cpp to see what's going on when.
14:43Kyler Hmm...I just noticed that as part of my debugging I'd left a sleep(10) at the end of the script. The script is certainly still going well into the beginning of the recording.
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14:44Captain_Murdo| so put some around the waitpid to see if it's waiting or not.
14:45Chutt just remove the & it's adding to the end of the command string
14:45Captain_Murdo| dohh, I thought that wasn't there. :) look at line 131 in channelbase.cpp kyler
14:46Chutt i mean, if you really want it to be all complicated and stuff, you can do something else, but...
14:46Chutt simple solutions are best :p
14:46Captain_Murdo| yeah. and Chutt knows best. :)
14:46Kyler Oh, crap! I didn't catch that it was screwing with my command!
14:46Kyler Got it. Thanks!
14:46Captain_Murdo| see my above comment about sleep.
14:47Chutt people bitched about it waiting for the channel change to complete before recording
14:47Chutt so, that's why that's there
14:47Kyler It's a whole lot easier to change the external script than to maintain a special patch for sane functionality.
14:48Chutt just use cvs, and your change'll get merged in whenever you update
14:48Chutt no maintaining necessary
14:48Beirdo with the occasional potential conflict, but those are simple to fix
14:49Kyler Any time I download a fresh version, I'll have to remember it...and tell my friends...and there's no hope of ever using the Debian packages now.
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14:50Chutt <shrug>
14:50Chutt i'm not removing that & in the official source
14:50Chutt i'll get too many complaints, otherwise.
14:50Beirdo of course, people *could* make their scripts background themselves :)
14:51Kyler I'm not asking for it. I'm still hoping to hire a developer to maintain another version with fixes like this.
14:51Kyler Thanks again for the help.
14:51Beirdo but that would require too much thinking
14:51Chutt beirdo, yeah, i suggested it, but it didn't go over well
14:52Beirdo yeah, doesn't surprise me, some people are quite against thinking :)
14:53* gr8nash charges 50 and hour to remove "&" symbols... (small writing) 1 hour min..
14:56Dibblah Hmmm... It's possible from script to background... But it's not possible to tell the parent process to wait. My preference would be to have either (god no) another tick box, or default to wait. But it's already been decided, so I'll shut up now ;)
15:00Kyler You could set your shell to be something that would ignore attempts to background commands. It's ugly, but so is backgrounding channel changes.
15:01Chutt tell that to all the people that complain.
15:01Chutt i don't care, really, since i don't need to use an external script to change channels
15:01Kyler No, that's why I'm willing to pay for my own version. I don't want to deal with those kinds of people.
15:02Chutt why would you pay someone to remove a single character from the source?
15:02Chutt if you use cvs, as i said, you'd never have to worry about it again.
15:03gr8nash Chutt your ruining my new gig =(
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16:30ExElNeT I am controlling mythtv with a remote and native lirc ... the problem is: i cant access configuration menus until i focus them manually with the mouse ... is there a way to change this behavior? or is this a bug?
16:31* Beirdo points at the topic
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16:35Beirdo that doesn't matter, this is not the channel for user support
16:36ExElNeT and also its a hint to the devs ;)
16:37gr8nash ExElNeT wrong channels its not a bug
16:37Beirdo how is you being off-topic here a hint to the devs? :)
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21:09dancl nick exedore6
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21:11dancl Anyone up to helping debug a quality issue (it might be ivtv related)
21:11dancl Picture Quality that is.
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22:59dunc__ anybody in here know if the browsable flag actually works?
23:01dunc__ it seems that things are still browsable when the flag is disabled
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23:45jbroome sorry, wanted mythtv-users..
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