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00:27<Skiingsean>hey all im trying to install mythtv on an fc6 install so i can try to get my FusionHDTV card to work :/ but before any of that the atrpms repo is complaining about gpg errors.. anyone know of any other repos i can use
00:42<xris>Skiingsean: you're more likely to get an answer if you ask in the correct channel.
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01:02<Skiingsean>xris thanks.. i figured that part out.. now muddling through my botched sql issues :)
01:02<Skiingsean>can you tell me where the mythtv confs are stored by default
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01:20<xris>Skiingsean: Sure, if you ask in the correct channel
01:20<Skiingsean>Ahhh :)
01:20<Skiingsean>lol gotchas
01:20<Skiingsean>thanks
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03:29[~]stuarta trouts the OSX build script.
03:29<stuarta>for doing a checkout of svn inside my checkout of svn
03:29<gbee>eww
03:30<stuarta>yeah, i downloaded it for a reason....
03:30<gbee>your new mac?
03:30<stuarta>yep :)
03:31<stuarta>hopefully will have a frontend built by the time I get home
03:31<gbee>what did you go for?
03:31<stuarta>mini mac/ 1.66 core duo / 2g ram / 80G
03:33<gbee>nice
03:33<stuarta>very. even comes with a remote control. oooo!
03:43<gbee>bah, damn insurance company paid out on the wrong claim
03:44[~]stuarta raises an eyebrow inquisitively...
03:45<gbee>I've got personal accident insurance - found out after my accident in London that they would pay out for the scars on my face (£4000)
03:45<stuarta>ouch.
03:46<gbee>just got a cheque - £30 for hospitalisation, no mention of the claim for scarring
03:46<stuarta>useless
03:46<gbee>so now I've got to chase them
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09:31<MrGandalf>Damn, my buggy mythbackend has been running for 4 days now..
09:32<stuarta>4 days? wot bug :)
09:32<MrGandalf>must be the bug plaguing me is a unitialized variable
09:32<MrGandalf>stuarta: the one relating to the loop you looked at
09:33<MrGandalf>I found the trigger for that loop.. pip in the recordings screem
09:33<stuarta>in the watch recordings screen?
09:33<stuarta>aka preview video?
09:33<MrGandalf>sec
09:35<MrGandalf>yes (sorry, talking with a stupid ass customer)
09:37<stuarta>i've seen that before. excessive rapid searching for a show to watch...
09:38<stuarta>caused excess preview threads to be generated.
09:39<stuarta>that fit the cause & effect you are seeing?
09:43<MrGandalf>yes
09:44<MrGandalf>so I just disabled that option
09:45<stuarta>gbee & I were talking about that the other day.
09:45<MrGandalf>but the segfault.. dunno about that one. It seems to hit me right after a power outage and after I recompile Myth.. sounds like an unitialized variable
09:45<gbee>eh
09:45<stuarta>whens the last time you tried a valgrind on that puppy?
09:46<MrGandalf>last time you asked me to :)
09:46<stuarta>gbee: think we're gunna have to fix the preview issue if daniel hasn't already.
09:46<MrGandalf>valgrind isn't very usefull though..
09:46[~]gbee catches up
09:47<gbee>ahh, yes, hmm
09:47<MrGandalf>it makes the backend unusable therefor it won't catch anything in say recording threads..
09:47<stuarta>hmmm, might do some (checks schedule...)
09:48<stuarta>during the day tomorrow
09:48<stuarta>found that mine will still record while valgrinding...
09:49<MrGandalf>I'm running on a dual P3 933.. not quite enough horsepower..
09:49<stuarta>that'll be the problem
09:50<MrGandalf>but I'm amazed that apparently those are my only two bugs on the backend..
09:50<MrGandalf>janneg: you around?
09:50<stuarta>are your broadcasts somewhat noisy?
09:50<MrGandalf>one of mine is.. small dish
09:51<stuarta>it's probably the underlying pes assembler issue, that only crops up with lots of broken packets
09:51<MrGandalf>when it gets really bad (storm) by backends do become somewhat unstable
09:51<MrGandalf>yes
09:52<stuarta>that'll be it then...
09:53<MrGandalf>yes, I get garbled portions of the video at times (fairly frequently half the time) but the signal doesn't look that bad, according to femon
09:53<MrGandalf>and I think the signal and snr are pretty accurate on a nexus
09:55[~]stuarta phone
10:00<stuarta>yeah, the garbled picture is the indication of a big burst of errors
10:00<stuarta>a little burst of errors seems to be enough to trigger it.
10:00<stuarta>although never when anyone is looking at it :(
10:02<MrGandalf>I'll just get a bigger dish in the spring :)
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10:13<janneg>Chutt: ffmpeg sync is complete and seems to work fine. I think it would be good if someone reviews it
10:13<janneg>MrGandalf: I'm here
10:15<Chutt>i can review it
10:16<janneg>does anyome think that another theme format (16:10) is useful?
10:17<janneg>Chutt: would you prefer a patch or commits to a svn branch?
10:18<Chutt>just a patch.
10:18<Chutt>and, no, we're not going to support 16:10
10:19<Chutt>the only stuff that's 16:10 is computer monitors.
10:19<janneg>ok, the patch is 2.6M. I'll send it later
10:20<Chutt>ijr@speakeasy.net, or you can stash it in your homedir on the svn server
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11:07<MrGandalf>janneg: quick question, with your new signal monitor stuff, what's the easiest way to have Myth ignore an encrypted channel and complete the tune?
11:07<MrGandalf>I have a channel that has encrypted video but one of the audio PIDs is FTA.
11:08<MrGandalf>(and advertised as such on their web site)
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11:20<janneg>MrGandalf: remove the if in dtvsignalmonitor.cpp::HandleEncryptionStatus
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11:29<MrGandalf>janneg: I was hoping for a config option :) That will effect all of my channels. I was thinking that maybe setting ftaonly in cardinput to 0 would do the trick.. but then again that effects much more than a single channel as well.
11:30<MrGandalf>I'll have to play around.. do you think me adding another column to channel would be too drastic?
11:32<janneg>for overriding the encryption monitor? yes. a clean solution would be to add a channeltype flag (radio|tv|...) and succeed for radio channels then at least one audio channel is unencrypted
11:33<MrGandalf>ah, good idea
11:34<MrGandalf>and have the scanner fill that in.. I remember someone mentioning that before..
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13:22<janneg>strange, with mythtv file I can almost playback HD h264 but mythfrontend is unuseable with the same file
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13:23<stuarta>janneg: seen the same effect.
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13:23<stuarta>tho i didn't have the backend running when I played it back with mythtv file
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13:25<janneg>stuarta: It's a regression of the ffmpeg merge for me. backend is running here but it shouldn't matter
13:26<stuarta>this is without the merge for me
13:31<stuarta>think we need to make new frontend use "english" as the default language, not "afar"
13:49<stuarta>how difficult would it be to enhance mythvideo so that it can optionally stream the files from the backend rather than using nfs
13:51<gbee>stuarta: thought the language defaults had already been fixed months back?
13:51<stuarta>not as far as I can see. i even deleted all settings with the hostname i'm using for the minimac
13:52<stuarta>i'll have to have a look at the code tho
13:54<gbee>one ticket and one commit relating to it - [10223] and #670
13:55<gbee>neither seems to actually fix anything
13:55<stuarta>doh!
13:55<GreyFoxx>Anyone here running under kernel 2.6.19.1 ?
13:56<GreyFoxx>I've got a weird problem that's cropped up since I updated my kernel
13:56<GreyFoxx>Regular recordings playback is slightly faster than before. Almost a little faster than "realtime" in that if I'm 3 seconds behind in an inprogress recording after a half hour I actually catch up and playback exits thinking I hit the end of the file
13:57<gbee>GreyFoxx: no - tried it on Sunday and it broke too much on my system so I reverted to 2.6.17
13:57<janneg>GreyFoxx: not atm, I'm already at 2.6.20-rc5
13:57<GreyFoxx>And when playing back non recorded stuff it's even worse. Not unwatchable, but noticable as all voices have a slightly chipmunky sound
13:57<GreyFoxx>A few other people mentioned the same problem and I wasn't sure what it was
13:58<janneg>I had no problems, but I'm not sure if I used 2.6.19.1 that much
13:58<GreyFoxx>Maybe I'll give 2.6.20rc* a try heh, it's bugging me :)
13:58<GreyFoxx>I went from 2.6.12.5 to 2.6.19.1
13:59<xris>GreyFoxx: I am on my frontend
13:59<janneg>GreyFoxx: and you should update to 2.6.19.2. 2.6.19 and 2.6.19.1 have a nasty file corruption bug
14:00<GreyFoxx>doh
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14:02<janneg>GreyFoxx: no panic, it's not triggered that often
14:03<GreyFoxx>well I was gonna try another kernel anyway. The fast/chipmunk voices is really bugging my wife :)
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14:03<GreyFoxx>My diskless frontends all run 2.6.16.20 and don't have it, but my main frontend with 2.6.19.1 is just killing her :)
14:04<GreyFoxx>I'm curious, what HZ value do you have set in your kernel ?
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14:12<janneg>250hz since I'm in PAL land, 2.6.20* has 300hz
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14:13<GreyFoxx>Mine is the kernel default, 250.
14:20<MrGandalf>you guys running HD?
14:20<MrGandalf>should increase that hz setting
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14:24<stuarta>1000 here
14:25<GreyFoxx>No HD here other than some 1080 sample recordings.
14:25<GreyFoxx>stuarta: See much difference with that ?
14:25<stuarta>just found it seemed to give better overall responsiveness
14:25<GreyFoxx>Maybe I'll give it a shot since I'm playing with stuff anyway
14:26<stuarta>i'm quite sensitive to my system being busy without giving me a look in
14:48<MrGandalf>I ramped mine all the way to 10000, but that's a frontend machine running the database as well/
14:49<MrGandalf>you need AT LEAST 1000 with HD playback
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14:52<janneg>MrGandalf: for h264 HD playback with mythtv? I can play my recordings fine with cureent mplayer at ~90%
14:52<MrGandalf>I mean for any HD playback..
14:53<MrGandalf>I had mine at 250 and got stuttering
14:53<MrGandalf>at 10000 my mpeg2 HD is perfect
14:53<MrGandalf>unless EIT really starts kicking up the database..
14:55<janneg>mpeg2 HD works here with 250hz
14:55<MrGandalf>must be really fast machine..
14:55<MrGandalf>1080i?
14:57<GreyFoxx>My box (xp2500+) can play 1080i with a HZ of 250
14:57<GreyFoxx>but I'll give the 1000 a shot anyway :)
14:58<janneg>athlon64 x2 3800 with 1080p
14:59<MrGandalf>faster than mine.. only have a 3000+ OC 1080i
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15:22<gbee>guys, thanks for the discussion, it prompted me to realise that it might be the cause of my laptop hanging
15:23<gbee>I hadn't noticed that at least some of the kernels distributed by Mandriva were using 1000 instead of the default 250
15:23<stuarta>what's the laptop on?
15:24<gbee>a table
15:24<gbee>:p
15:24<GreyFoxx>Woop, went to 2.6.19.2 (1000HZ) and now playback seems to back to normal. The chipmunk voices are no more :)
15:24<stuarta>nice!
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15:27<stuarta>either the commflagger has just become more efficient of XFS is a lot faster than reiserfs
15:27<stuarta>s/of/or
15:32<gbee>stuarta: laptops using 1000 - depending on your point of view 250/100 is better for power consumption by a few %, but more importantly the lower values may play better with some hardware/acpi etc
15:35<gbee>just a theory - but having already tried just about everything I could think of, I'm recompiling the kernel to see if it makes a difference :)
15:36<gbee>I'm pretty certain the earlier kernels I was using were @250 - the hanging only started in the last few months (laptop is 18 months old)
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16:34<Snow-Man>xris: Did ya'll get the drive back?
16:40<xris>Snow-Man: beats me. heh
16:40<Snow-Man>I didn't get a tracking # or anything. :/
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16:46<xris>ah. looks like 426422560014947, so it looks like they haven't even shipped it yet.
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17:33<MrGandalf>damn it, that loop again
17:33<MrGandalf>I really need to figure out a way to combine my backends.. this is rediculous.
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17:56<janneg>Chutt: the patch is in my home directory
17:59<janneg>I didn't merge one change into configure. ffmpeg has exchanged $cpu and $arch. The change makes sense but I have left it for later since we have much own cpu related code in configure
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18:14<xris>ooh... just discovered the most awesome setting for mysql... log-queries-not-using-indexes
18:15<xris>(only works for mysql 5)
18:15<xris>just enabled it on my mythbox, though...
18:16<xris>why look.. the jobqueue query doesn't touch an index....
18:16<xris>yay, this is going to be fun.
18:17<smka>how is commercial detected
18:19<xris>smka: depends on which method you pick.
18:19<xris>but it's not a trivial thing
18:20<smka>what methods are there?
18:22<Chutt>janneg, thanks, I'll look over that tonight.
18:24<xris>smka: I would recommend either looking in the code or the settings in the frontend
18:24<GreyFoxx>xris: that's cool!
18:24<xris>(since you're asking in this channel instead of the users channel, I'm going to assume that you would prefer the code)
18:24<xris>GreyFoxx: yeah. already fixed a HUGE speed hole at work. 30-50% speed increase on a common set of queries.
18:26<xris>and all because briand pointed me at mysqlard (also a cool tool)
18:30<gbee>xris: very cool
18:30[~]gbee goes on a tour of his mysql servers
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18:32<Chutt>xris, you should be able to fix queries in the code, right?
18:33<gbee>also installed mysqlard locally - unfortunately, it requires high volumes of queries to produce accurate results, yet the time I want to make optimisations is in development and it's hard to replicate high traffic volumes in that environment
18:37<xris>Chutt: yup. just by adding indexes for most of them
18:38<Chutt>cool.
18:50<janneg>Chutt: you're welcome. the resync doesn't fix my h264 HD playback problem. I have dropped frames even though the frontend uses less than 80% cpu (scene dependent)
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19:10<xris>man, a lot of these sql queries need to be cleaned up for readability
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