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01:36<xris>Chutt: you still awake?
01:37<xris>you ever think of setting up something at cafepress for tshirts, etc?
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03:25<gbee|sleep>Captain_Murdoch: #2826 - currently transcoding state icons aren't supported in the code, I did promise someone that I would implement the code if they supplied the icons
03:26<gbee|sleep>only think is I didn't much like the icons in #2826
03:26<gbee|sleep>s/think/thing/
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05:00<Captain_Murdoch>gbee: there already is a FL_TRANSCODED flag and "transcoded" theme icon value that can be used. it doesn't support showing which profile was used to transcode, but it should show the state.
05:04[~]Captain_Murdoch is afk
05:13<gbee>doesn't show that a transcoding is in progress, which was iirc the main thing that this guy was after (as we already show when commflagging is running)
05:15<gbee>I didn't imagine they would also want to know which profile was used, imho that isn't something worth illustrating through icons but maybe I'm wrong
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08:20<MoRpHeUz>GreyFoxx, CDev: ping
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10:29<bkhl>Has anyone here used a Tvix?
10:29<bkhl>Oh, sorry.
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12:50<xris>Chutt: you see my note last night about cafepress stuff?
12:52<j-rod>xris: argh, I apparently have some shit to do before I can reply to pm's now...
12:52<j-rod>who said I was going to LFNW? :)
12:52<j-rod>I'm not a sure thing yet, but working on it
12:53<xris>I just registered a mythtv booth, and the organizer who wrote me back said that you were planning to show up
12:54<j-rod>Mark Ashworth?
12:54<xris>offered to put me in touch with you, but I didn't really need that. :)
12:54<j-rod>heh
12:54<xris>yeah, that looks right
12:54<j-rod>I'm trying to work a "What's new in RHEL5" angle to get my tab picked up
12:54<j-rod>but nothing confirmed yet
12:55<xris>heh
12:55<xris>well, if you manage to make it out, the mythtv table would love to have your company. :)
12:55<j-rod>I'm definitely game
12:56<xris>kormoc and I are trying to figure out how to set something up... if nothing else, I think we can borrow some gear from simech, and I can drag my 22" lcd from home.
12:56<xris>but we figured that we should go along since travel is free, and maybe we can swing a hotel room out of simech
12:56<j-rod>I've got a shuttle cube I've been dragging to and fro for mythtv crap all over here
12:56<j-rod>did a lug thing two weeks ago
12:57<xris>yeah, his box is a shuttle-alike
12:57<j-rod>a lunch session in the office today
12:57<j-rod>another lug next month
12:57<j-rod>an htpc users group meeting after that
12:57<GreyFoxx>Now that would be interesting to attend
12:57<j-rod>the htpc users group?
12:58<j-rod>(its at the microsoft building in Waltham, no less...)
12:58<GreyFoxx>yeah
12:58<GreyFoxx>I'd love to see what others are doing, what kind of gear they are using for players and such
12:58<xris>I've often thought about adding a "my mythbox" section to the wiki for stuff like that
12:59<xris>but my setup is so pitiful that I wouldn't want to be the first. :)
13:00<GreyFoxx>hehe
13:03<xris>but in the spirit of trade show stuff, I was thinking that maybe mythtv should get a cafepress acct and sell some tshirts or something. I'd actually like to just have one or two.
13:04<gardengnome>you can already get mythtvtalk.com shirts. and thongs.
13:04<gardengnome>i know how much you guys love forums.
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13:04<xris>but would be nice to have a small bit of money available to cover stuff like knopmyth cds, etc.
13:04<xris>gardengnome: what's a forum?
13:05<Chutt>eh
13:05<Chutt>quality issues with cafepress, i believe.
13:05<xris>well, there are other similar services, no?
13:06<xris>anyway, just something that crossed my mind. would be cool to have a mythtv shirt on while working the mythtv table at a show.
13:06<xris>and could bring in some money for testing gear for devs, etc. but of course, it would also probably mean more $$ work for you to deal with.
13:07<Chutt>i don't like paying extra taxes :p
13:08<xris>yeah. wouldn't want you to have to do that
13:09<xris>and setting up a nonprofit brings all kinds of other crap to the table
13:12<xris>http://www.squidoo.com/cafepress_alternative/
13:22<Chutt>i dunno
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13:34<xris>Chutt: well, it's obviously the biggest issue for you, since it would either mean more taxes, or setting up a nonprofit. I can totally understand if you're not interested.
13:37<janneg>Chutt: I think I found the change that broke mpeg4
13:38<janneg>compiling now
13:38<Chutt>cool
13:38<Chutt>xris, could do a limited run at some place for developers or somethin
13:39<Chutt>janneg, great =)
13:39<xris>yeah. gets expensive, though.
13:39<Chutt>eh, i wouldn't have a problem with that
13:40<xris>do we have any way to track down a high-res version of the logo? (was there ever one?)
13:40<gardengnome>i think juski made one
13:40<janneg>someone (juski?) created a svg
13:41<xris>janneg: it's not quite right, though
13:43<xris>Chutt: btw: http://www.juski.co.uk/mythsite11.png
13:43<Chutt>i don't like the boxes on the upper right
13:44<xris>yeah, other people have said the same
13:44<Chutt>and i'd like to see what the text would look like for the main content :p
13:44<xris>they don't match the rest
13:44<stuarta>janneg: re last_coeff_flag_offset_8x8, jwestfall said the other night that debug builds were triggering it...
13:44<stuarta>just trying it now
13:44<xris>I'm still trying to figure out how to get that header to work for ALL sites at mythtv.org.. trac, wiki, etc.
13:44<xris>would be nice to have a unified menu system
13:51<janneg>stuarta: yes, since debug builds are without PIC
13:52<stuarta>the changeset to remove the static fixes it then?
13:53<janneg>yes, but it's just a hack to fix it
13:54<Cardoe>Chutt: so got any ideas on a 0.21 release? ;)
13:55[~]stuarta suspects we aren't close to ready
13:55<Chutt>naw
13:55<Chutt>i'm too busy, too.
13:55<Cardoe>I've been crazy busy myself.
13:55<Cardoe>but some more fixes from trunk need to go to 0-20-fixes
13:55<Cardoe>I've been poking GreyFoxx about certain UPnP fixes
13:56<stuarta>thought he'd backported them already?
13:56<Chutt>the fixes needed for upnp aren't simple :p
13:56<Chutt>the simple ones are backported, the more complex ones shouldn't really go into a fixes branch
13:56<xris>mythweb's somewhat of a mess at the moment, too.
13:56<Cardoe>stuarta: He backported the set I poked him about a few weeks ago
13:56<stuarta>did most of them as he wrote them...
13:57<stuarta>hmmm, just broke my frontend :(
13:57<stuarta>suspect it's cause i'm trying to seek backwards while the backend is busy doing i/o
13:58<stuarta>okay that's a new one "[mpeg2video @ 0xc3367008]current_picture not initialized"
14:02<gbee>stuarta: that's the one I've been seeing, although I'm not certain the error is actually related to the hangs
14:03<janneg>Chutt: ffmpeg changesets 6942 (and 6953) cause the error
14:04<janneg>gbee: I've seen that error a couple of times too but never experienced frontend hangs/crashes
14:05<stuarta>gbee: it causes AFD to receive an unknown error
14:05<stuarta>how that gets handled is an interesting question...
14:09<Chutt>janneg, ah
14:09<Chutt>so just ifdeffing out that while (v<0xFF) loop fixes it?
14:10<janneg>I don't know, I've reverted the whole changesets
14:10<Chutt>do you happen to have a non .nuv file that shows the problem?
14:10<Chutt>can report it to the ffmpeg guys that way..
14:12<janneg>no, but the nuv file played with ffplay doesn't show the error
14:12<Chutt>heh
14:13<janneg>ifdeffing the while loop is enough
14:14<Chutt>it probably needs another condition added to that break statement
14:15<Chutt>what that'd be, who knows =)
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14:18<stuarta>Chutt: looks like myth's mailserver has been classed as a spam source (re: David Engel's mail)
14:19<Chutt>naw
14:19<Chutt>they keep blocking it because the forward and reverse dns don't match exactly.
14:19<stuarta>or that :)
14:20<Chutt>well, that www.mythtv.org isn't the reverse dns for the ip
14:20<stuarta>s/exactly/ at all/
14:20<Chutt>this is the 3rd time
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14:21<stuarta>bunch of eedjits
14:21<xris>Chutt: that's lame.
14:21<Chutt>because postfix says it's www.mythtv.org, they say the reverse dns for that ip must be www.mythtv.org.
14:21<xris>though it's usually nice when they match
14:21<stuarta>yeah, guess it cuts down on spam.
14:21<GreyFoxx>Nice yeah, but there is no requirement for it
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14:22<stuarta>(given what i see in my email logs at the office it would...)
14:23<stuarta>alternatively would making www.mythtv.org CNAME alcor-2.osuosl.org help?
14:23<stuarta>though it would look ugly
14:24<Chutt>i don't know details :p
14:25<stuarta>at the end of the day it's their issue.
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15:09<Cardoe>sorry disappeared for a bit.
15:09<Cardoe>some of the fixes are simple that still need to be backported
15:09<Cardoe>the word "RANGE" needs to be "range"
15:09<Cardoe>and the missing word "bytes" in one of the responses.
15:09<Cardoe>ends up fixing fast forwarding for me and someone else.
15:09<Cardoe>It's already on the head branch
15:14<GreyFoxx>I'll take a look at getting those in there
15:14<GreyFoxx>I'm curious, what player are you using ?
15:15<MoRpHeUz>any ideas abou this ?
15:15<MoRpHeUz>2007-01-31 18:14:41.788 This app was compiled against libmyth version: 0.20.20070124-1
15:15<MoRpHeUz> but the library is version: 0.20.20070122-1
15:15<MoRpHeUz> You probably want to recompile everything, and do a
15:15<MoRpHeUz> 'make distclean' first.
15:15<MoRpHeUz>already did what the msg told me to do...
15:15<Chutt>no, you didn't.
15:15<Chutt>you also haven't read the topic. :p
15:16<MoRpHeUz>Chutt: yes, I read hehe
15:16<MoRpHeUz>I'm coded a lib
15:16<MoRpHeUz>and I'm trying to compile using that lib....
15:16<MoRpHeUz>after that I'm receiving this msg...
15:16<MoRpHeUz>I'm coded = I'm coding
15:17<Chutt>what's that have to do with myth?
15:17<MoRpHeUz>the lib if for myth
15:17<Chutt>we're not really here to teach people how to link against libraries.
15:17<MoRpHeUz>as I talked to GreyFoxx before, I'm creating a lib to transcode live content...
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15:18<MoRpHeUz>I'm not asking you to teach me...I'm asking you if after doing what the msg said to do and nothing happened, if someone has an idea..
15:18<Chutt>uh
15:18<MoRpHeUz>because libmyth is the same....
15:18<MoRpHeUz>didnt change that...
15:18<Chutt>as the message says, you compiled against a version of myth that's different than you're linking against.
15:19<MoRpHeUz>I just have one version of libmyth...
15:19<MoRpHeUz>(svn one)
15:19<MoRpHeUz>already did:
15:19<Chutt>sure you do.
15:19<MoRpHeUz>make uninstall && make distclean && make
15:19<Chutt>there's only one way to get that message.
15:19<MoRpHeUz>make install
15:20<MoRpHeUz>this is why I dont understand why what is happening...
15:22<MoRpHeUz>anyway, solved the problem...it was an error inside my library...nothing to deal with libmyth..
15:22<MoRpHeUz>=)
15:22<Chutt>err, were you hardcoding the libmyth version number?
15:23<MoRpHeUz>yeah...took the wrong file...took the one that I was doing some tests...
15:33<Snow-Man>xris, Chutt: You guys, if you want, might be able to use SPI to handle the funds and whatnot.
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15:36<xris>Snow-Man: there was some chatter on the summer of code list about groups that do that kind of thing, too.
15:37<xris>I assume you're talking about the spi.org and not the plastics company?
15:37<janneg>http://www.spi-inc.org/
15:38<xris>ah. different one, still
15:38<xris>cool
15:39<Snow-Man>yea, spi-inc.org
15:39<janneg>spi.org seems to be a pro software patent lobby group
15:39<stuarta>xris: there's an issue with building the perl bindings...
15:39<stuarta>you get "chmod: changing permissions of `blib/lib': Operation not permitted" when building as a non privileged user
15:40<xris>stuarta: odd. those directories are created during build
15:41<xris>I've never had any issue with it, either. I never build as root
15:41<stuarta>lemme check if it's cause of a previous make install
15:41<stuarta>ahah! that'll be because i've previously done make install as root (when they weren't being built by default)
15:43<stuarta>yep that was it. false alarm. sorry bout that...
15:43<xris>stuarta: I also have a friend who works for tides.org, which seems to do similar stuff.
15:44[~]stuarta is guessing that was for Snow-Man
15:44<Snow-Man>hm?
15:45<xris>stuarta: yes. for Snow-Man and janneg. my bad
15:46<stuarta>np
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15:46<Snow-Man>tides.org seems to have a somewhat more nebulous mission. :)
15:46[~]Snow-Man shrugs.
15:46<Snow-Man>Ain't my thing, just throwing it out there.
15:47<xris>Snow-Man: yeah. I think tides does mostly charity stuff. though they are working with some of the (former?) wikimedia people on citizendium now.
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16:28<stuarta>janneg: finished with the build environment on my box?
16:28<janneg>stuarta: yes
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16:35<gbee>any opinions on #2935, in particular the method used (changing pushbuttons into checkboxes)?
16:36<stuarta>janneg: thanks. i'll clean it up. doing backup & the backup has less space :-/
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16:45<xris>woot. looks like we might be able to get the plasma from work to bring to linuxfest. and maybe a quad core extreme proc for the demo box. lol
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17:05<gbee>xris: definately helps grab the attention if you've got a big TV in the booth
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17:06<xris>yeah
17:06<stuarta>yeah, definitely helped in London when we did the show
17:06<mikegrb>our some nearly naked ladies
17:06<xris>well, table. event isn't big enough to have booths. heh
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17:06<stuarta>room for a couch???
17:07<xris>lol, maybe.
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17:20<stuarta>okay. why does the same set of files consume more disk space under XFS then under reiserfs
17:21<stuarta>yet the raw capacity under XFS seems better?
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