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04:16<gbee>found an old thread from 2004 where Chutt says he'd rather not use taglib (extra dependancy)
04:17<stuarta>there does come a point though, when you have to use what works...
04:17<gbee>looking for some performance figures comparing libid3tag to taglib
04:18<gbee> they say it's 6x faster than id3lib on the website, if it's the same for libid3tag then it would help scanning speed
04:19<gbee>libid3tag just about works, although the api is hideous
04:20<gbee>taglib would probably simpify a lot of the metadata code, especially as it uses the same api for handling ogg, flac tags as well
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12:38<gnome42>sphery: I just replied to your email. Thanks for the review!
12:39<gnome42>sphery: my example got badly word wrapped and may not be useful :(
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13:18<FreshPrince>hi @ all
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14:12<Reaspired>hello..
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14:14<Reaspired>I got this old tv-card, which seems to work just fine, but audio doesn't capture, and I have sound from tv card to line in of my soundblaster. (opensuse 10.2) is there a way to set this up right so If I pause, sound will stop too.
14:14<Reaspired>I got one of these Bttv cards
14:15<kormoc>Reaspired, yes, read the myth docs on how to setup sound capturing
14:15<Reaspired>oopps wrong chat room
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15:06<janneg>any opinions on #3120 (The -G/--get-setting parameter outputs to cerr)?
15:08<gbee>without looking at the code, I'm not even sure what they mean, but sounds like some debugging stuff got left in
15:08<janneg>I'm inclined to close it, the usual verbose stuff goes to stdout
15:09<gbee>ahh, sorry it's getsetting not the override
15:09<janneg>gbee: mythfrontend -G ThemePainter
15:09<GreyFoxx>No specific reason it's cerr, I just did it that way
15:10<gbee>in which case I'm not sure if sending the output to cerr is correct
15:10<janneg>--help goes also to cerr but it's not consistent, --version is cout
15:10<GreyFoxx>I saw --hlep using cerr which is why I used it as well
15:10<gbee>for a moment I thought it meant -O, in which case I wasn't sure why it would output anything at all
15:10<GreyFoxx>hehe
15:10<GreyFoxx>It's handy to retrieve config info without a user having to access mysql directly
15:11<gbee>sure
15:12<gbee>cout would probably make it easier to parse, it wouldn't get mixed in with the VERBOSE stuff which goes to cerr before that
15:13<janneg>I can understand why --help goes to stderr, it's also used with invalid commandline options
15:13<janneg>gbee: no the VERBOSE stuff goes to stdout
15:14<gbee>ah well
15:15<janneg>at least the early messges
15:15<janneg>+a
15:15<gbee>the distinction between stderr and stdout is routinely blurred these days
15:20<GreyFoxx>matters not to me, though he's right, if you are scripting something cout is better, I'll change it
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15:51<gnome42>ls -tlrh
15:52<gnome42>woops :)
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16:17<Cardoe>Chutt: any chance of a 0.20.1?
16:17<Cardoe>since there's a lot of good fixes in svn
16:17<Chutt>up to jarod.
16:17<Cardoe>what's his e-mail again?
16:18<Chutt>i don't know off hand.
16:18<Cardoe>I'm behind on mytharchive
16:18<Cardoe>Just cause the system of doing diffs doesn't work against binary files.
16:19<Chutt>I don't have anything from me preventing a point release, but I'm not running that branch, so I can't really comment on readiness/stability/etc
16:19<Cardoe>wfm and a lot of people.. that's my comment. :-D
16:20<Chutt>I'd like to check that the upgrade path is still clean.
16:20<Chutt>20-20.1-svn, i mean.
16:20<Cardoe>probably be a good test.
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16:22<Chutt>insert (someone else) in there, too =)
16:23<Chutt>i don't have time, myself, until at least mid-march.
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16:34[~]gnome42 wonders if it is good practice to always test with query.isConnected() after a MSqlQuery::InitCon()
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17:19<stormy|>I'm having xorg.conf problems i think; I've talked to people in #fedora, and #xorg and nobody seems to be able to help me figure out why I can't get my custom resolutions to display in the list of supported res.
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18:51<rory>hey all, I have a quick question about the selector box in guidegrid, where does it get the coordinates to draw the selector box (in statusbox.h in mythfrontend)
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19:12<monkeyBox>Why am I only getting a blue screen in mythtv?
19:13<monkeyBox>It worked before, and I cant find whatever setting would have affected that...
19:13<monkeyBox>I assume it has something to do w/ overlay, but I have no clue how that works
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19:24<monkeyBox>ugh, I'm just going to clear out my settings table and start over :-(
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19:43<JoeyJoeJo>monkeyBox: you can do mythfrontend --restore (I think) to restore all your settings to default
19:44<Chutt>restarting X would probably have been more productive than resetting the settings.
19:44<rory>not to rehash old stuff - but can anyone give me some insight where updateSelector in statusbox gets the coordinates to set the size of the selector box, say in guidegrid?
19:44<Chutt>but would have better been in the users channel.
19:44<Chutt>rory, all dimensions are in the theme files.
19:45<Chutt>sphery, purevideo isn't entirely pixel shaders.
19:45<CDev>Chutt: Have a few minutes?
19:45<Chutt>CDev, sure.
19:45<rory>Chutt: well the initial box or bar sizes are set in the theme, but there has to be something that tells selector the size of the current tv show in the guidegrid, b/c shows have dynamically sized boxes
19:45<CDev>Been trying to get autodiscover merged into the frontend... a few issues.
19:45<Chutt>CDev, ok
19:46<Snow-Man>No! That's bad!!!
19:46<CDev>Chutt: How can I display a list of master backends before mythcontext it initialized and the themes are loaded?
19:46<Chutt>graphically?
19:46<Chutt>you can't
19:46<Chutt>unless you put up something unthemed.
19:46<Snow-Man>I was just thinking that. :)
19:46<CDev>yes. ... ok that explains my failures
19:47<Chutt>that doesn't use the common code..
19:47<JoeyJoeJo>is it possible to make the ir sensor on the macbook pro to accept a differ remote with more buttons?
19:47<Chutt>There can only be _one_ master
19:47<Snow-Man>And you'll be shot if you dare to do..
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19:47<Snow-Man>hehe
19:47[~]Snow-Man provides Chutt interpretation.
19:47<Chutt>heh
19:47<Chutt>CDev, that does raise an interesting point.
19:48<CDev>Which direction would you like me to go in.. give a text list to choose from, pick the first one by default, or put up a non-themed graphical list
19:48<Chutt>maybe have an additional setting on the backend to say that, not only is this a master, but it is the one that should be autodiscovered.
19:48<Snow-Man>pick me!! pick me!!
19:48<Chutt>can make that exclusive easy enough
19:48<CDev>I'm planning on caching the users choice so it won't ask again.
19:49<CDev>Also, wanted to add a setup screen to allow a dynamic change
19:49<Chutt>right, but i don't like either ideas, especially with remote control configs possibly making the graphical stuff not work
19:49<CDev>ok
19:49<Chutt>and i generally don't have a keyboard on my frontends for install
19:49<Chutt>well, for first run of mythfrontend, at least
19:49<CDev>I like the idea of a default master... it easy to implement.
19:50<Chutt>CDev, did you see the post on the users list about some guy proposing some other method of autodiscovery?
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19:50<CDev>no... don't have time for the users list. :(
19:50<Chutt>and someone can go in and change it manually
19:50<Chutt>if there's a default master..
19:50<Chutt>i dunno
19:51<Chutt>RFC: Using DNS-SD to bootstrap MythTV
19:51<CDev>I can look into it, however all of the upnp SSDP code is working (event in the frontend)
19:51<Chutt>Naw
19:52<Chutt>I'll reply to the guy and tell him that UPnP based code is close to being committed.
19:53<Chutt>Should we vet the 'default master' idea with the developers list
19:53<Chutt>?
19:53<CDev>The other issue I have is, it seems that mythcontext isn't designed to switch masters mid stream to well. Any idea what it would take to allow a reset given a new master ip?
19:53<Chutt>Um, let's see..
19:53<Chutt>well
19:53<Chutt>ok, aside from the database connectivity
19:54<Chutt>couldn't it just do a network disconnect?
19:55<Chutt>I think all it needs to do is close those 2 sockets and call 'ConnectToMasterServer' again
19:55<CDev>ok.. didn't even see that method when I looked... I'll take a closer look. Is there a simular method for the database connectivity?
19:56<Chutt>I don't really recall
19:56<Chutt>since the DB is a pool, though, that may be more difficult.
19:56<Chutt>Might be easier to do a restart of the program.. :/
19:56<CDev>true.
19:56<CDev>I guess the real question is, how much do you trust me to do large changes in mythcontext ;-)
19:57<Chutt>Just try not to break things too badly
19:57<Chutt>If there's any question, either make a branch, or send off a patch to the developers list first
19:57<Chutt>I'm sure you'll find testers.
19:57<CDev>I won't ever commit something that doesn't work.
19:57<Chutt>=)
19:58<CDev>I just don't use mythfrontend enough to feel confident that my changes may not affect someone else.
19:58<CDev>I started to add the autodiscover to mythfrontend to help out and it's turning into a fairly big change~ :-(
19:59<GreyFoxx>I'll test, and I think xris and others as well who all want to see this in there
19:59[~]GreyFoxx takes hsi kid to the bathtub
19:59<CDev>I'll see what I can do to with as few of changes as possible. we may need to re-address the flow/design if we want to have 1 frontend work with multiple backends
19:59[~]xris wants to know what people are talking about, but is too busy at the moment to read the scrollback...
20:00<CDev>autodiscover
20:01<CDev>Chutt: I was going to add the hooks (stubbed out for now) to turn the frontend into a upnp mediarenderer... do you see any issues with that?
20:01<CDev>It means the frontend will be controllable through web service calls.
20:01<kormoc>sweet
20:03<CDev>(it would also allow any upnp control point to work like a remote control for it)
20:04<rory>Chutt: sorry, i don't want to interrupt your discussion on autodiscovery, but can you give me some idea where guidegrid passes the updated coordinates for the size of the currently selected tv show to statusbox to redraw the selector?
20:05<Chutt>CDev, nope
20:06<Chutt>no issues with that
20:06<CDev>great...thanks.
20:06<Chutt>rory, no, i can't.
20:06<rory>ok cool, i'll keep looking
20:07<CDev>Chutt: The more I think about it, I think I'm going to use a non-themed gui for backend selection, if and only if there is more then one sending out notifications.
20:07<Chutt>that's fine.
20:07<Chutt>Just use a big font.
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20:08<CDev>Not knowing QT very well, do I just initialize the QApplication and then tear it down before it's re-initialized for the themed gui?
20:08<Chutt>I think so
20:08<CDev>I'll give it a try.
20:09<CDev>I'm not going to be able to use any of the helper classes for screen layout/controls... am I (due to no mythcontext available?)
20:09<Chutt>Right.
20:09<CDev>fun. :-/
20:10<Chutt>Pure Qt, but, should just be text with a few QButtons
20:10<Chutt>not very complicated.
20:10<CDev>true.
20:11<CDev>One last thing... I'm going to default the upnp service port for the frontent to be 6547. Do you know if this is an okay choice? (I searched the code, but you never know...)
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20:18<clearzen>I am getting the following error when I try to install the packages for mythtv. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6972/ can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong?
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20:52<Chutt>CDev, that's fine.
20:52<Chutt>CDev, (sorry, in and out a bit here) =)
20:52<CDev>no prob. I need to get going myself.
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21:05<Cardoe>Silly me and having another Xchat opened
21:06<Cardoe>So anyone have the annoying problem if they're watching a HDTV channel...
21:06<Cardoe>and something is suppose to be recorded on that channel
21:06<Cardoe>So you say you want it to record and stay on that channel
21:06<Cardoe>Myth screws up and it gets all choppy
21:07<Cardoe>Have to exit to the menu... then watch the recording
21:07<Cardoe>Seems like Myth isn't delaying long enough behind the stream
21:30<monkeyBox>Cardoe, I'm having worse issues w/ mine...
21:30<Cardoe>Well that's more of a programming issue.
21:30<Cardoe>I'm gonna hack up a patch once Lost is done
21:30[~]monkeyBox <3's lost
21:31<monkeyBox>although I'm BT-ing it right now 'cause my myth is broke
21:31<monkeyBox>Anyone see this error in mythfrontend? "VideoOutputXv Error: CreateXvShmImages(): XvShmCreateImage() failed to create image of the requested size."
21:33<monkeyBox>The only reference I can find of this error is in a mythtv bugreport, but it was closed saying it was an i810 driver issue.
21:33<monkeyBox>If that's the case, why can I play the DVB signal just fine in mplayer?
21:37<monkeyBox>Running "mythtv" by itself, I get:
21:37<monkeyBox>CreateShmImages(32): video_dim: 1920x1088
21:38<monkeyBox>not sure where "1088" comes from, as my monitor is 1920x1080
21:38<Chutt>divisible by 16.
21:38<Chutt>if that's failing, it's an x bug, and absolutely nothing to do with myth.
21:39<monkeyBox>ahh ok
21:39<monkeyBox>heh
21:39<monkeyBox>just realized I was in #mythtv and not #mythtv-users
21:39<monkeyBox>sorry for barging (sp?) in
21:39<Chutt>Cardoe, there isn't an explicit delay behind the stream.
21:40<Cardoe>Chutt: alright but whatever Myth is doing currently is wrong on my HDTV sources
21:40<Chutt>right, but it's not the 'delay' being too short. =)
21:40<Cardoe>alright. Then I guess it's the timing computation?
21:41<Cardoe>I'll poke at it tonight or at work in the morning.
21:41<Chutt>possibly.
21:42<Chutt>there may be something that's causing it to spin when too close to real-time, that's taking up cpu from the decode.
21:42<Chutt>could get stuck in a loop like that
21:42<Chutt>ie, not be able to recover - pausing may 'fix' it
21:42<Chutt>somewhere to start, at least.
21:58<Cardoe>Thanks for the hint. :)
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23:48<xris>Chutt: ping
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23:58<Chutt>xris, yo.
23:59<xris>trying to think of th best way to handl the new channel icon stuff.
23:59<xris>wondering if it should even be worth storing the URL, or if the current cache value is enough
23:59<Chutt>err..?
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