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---Logopened Sat Mar 03 00:00:15 2007
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09:05<Wibble->howdy. Mythtv causes my X to crash. I had it working with both the "vesa" and "nvidia" X drivers before, but now both cause a crash when I run mythtv-setup or mythfrontend : http://pastebin.ca/379833
09:30<briand>howdy. Topic.
09:44<Wibble->oh yes :)
09:44<Wibble->I knew that. *cough* thanks.
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10:26<jch4pm4n>Has anyone got info about the status of the embedded MySQL work?
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10:33<GreyFoxx>jch4pm4n: I've done a lot of playing with it dircectly, but having issues getting QT 3.3 to work with it and so far all of the QT "Experts" I've talk to have merely told me to "go to QT 4" :)
10:34<GreyFoxx>I'm just building a new VM to work in, and I am gonna tackle it again
10:40<jams>so many projects...so little time
10:43<GreyFoxx>yeah
10:43<GreyFoxx>and I seem to have less and less time for "my stuff" all the time
10:44<GreyFoxx>I need a week off work, and my wife n daughter to go on vacation that week
10:44<GreyFoxx>heh
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10:48<sphery>jch4pm4n: Check your e-mail. I just sent you some info from previous discussions about it to help catch you up on what's been said/done.
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10:59<gbee>damn it, I accidently reverted my id3 encoding fix, so the mp3s I just ripped all have tags my mp3 player can't read >:(
11:00<jch4pm4n>sphery: will do. thanks
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11:07<gbee>can anyone think of a good reason for using ID3_FIELD_TEXTENCODING_UTF_16? instead of UTF_8?
11:14<gbee>hmm, maybe I'm looking at this the wrong way around, perhaps changing the strings to UTF16/unicode would be a better approach
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11:16<gbee>or it would be if they weren't already unicode *sigh*
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18:18<xris>Snow-Man: you poking around on www?
18:19<xris>nevermind. my bad
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20:28<Confuzed>Can anyone tell me if there is a way to terminate a tuner that shows "watching live tv" status but has no frontends connected. I get this condition all the time, mostly when my son shuts down the frontend while live tv is being watched, and the only way I have found to recover is to restart the myth backend interrupting recordings if they are in progress. If there is not already a simple method to do this, can one be created... per
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20:31[~]xris grumbles about sqlite not being behaving.
20:34[~]xris curses sqlite for letting = be case insensitive and LIKE not
20:49<Chutt>Ok, listen up, developers. As of right now, cosmetic patches that are submitted by people that don't even bother testing first are absolute highest priority around here. No bug fixes or new features until all those get committed.
20:49[~]kormoc takes note
20:52[~]Captain_Murdoch goes ahead and commits a few without even testing compilation
20:52<Captain_Murdoch>gotta get those in the hands of the masses
20:56<xris>heh
20:57<Chutt>higher priority if they're from someone who can't be bothered to use their real name. =)
20:57<Captain_Murdoch>bonus points if their login is "mythtv"
21:00<Chutt>since mythtv-setup + mythbackend are only necessary if you're using the tv recording portion of mythtv, why would it make sense to only have db schema updates happen through them?
21:01<Captain_Murdoch>yes.
21:02<Captain_Murdoch>I think only the MBE should be able to update. if we're not the MBE but supposed to be then the user didn't configure mythtv-setup properly, so it will get upgraded when they run mythtv-setup to fix the MBE IP
21:02<Captain_Murdoch>(MBE & mythtv-setup)
21:02<Captain_Murdoch>ie, not SBE
21:03<Captain_Murdoch>that will prevent people from downloading the wrong package and installing a new SBE and upgrading their database while the MBE is running.
21:03<Chutt>but what if there is no MBE?
21:03<Captain_Murdoch>has to be right?
21:03<Chutt>no
21:03<Captain_Murdoch>so no MBE and nobody ran mythtv-setup?
21:03<Chutt>if you don't use the tv stuff, there's no MBE
21:04<Chutt>there's no mythtv-setup
21:05<Captain_Murdoch>ok, gotcha. people that only use MythVideo won't have run mythtv-setup or have a MBE, but they need some of the main tables like settings
21:05<Chutt>right.
21:06<Captain_Murdoch>so what if the FE only upgrades if GetSetting("MasterServerIP", "") is empty.
21:06<Chutt>eh, you can't tell if that's going to be legit or not.
21:06<Captain_Murdoch>but if it is filled in it means that someone ran mythtv-setup right?
21:06<Chutt>i think it's not worth fixing right now, since if we ever _do_ move to a embedded db, then it goes away completely.
21:07<Captain_Murdoch>fine by me, only bit me once over 4 years. :) I have a "mfr" script that runs my dev frontend against my production backend, otherwise anything run on my dev machine hits my dev database.
21:35<Confuzed>Ok... I hate to bother the Devs... but no one in mythtv-users can figure this out... I have a tuner that is hung "watching live tv" according to the status page... it just keeps recording show after show... and yes it is recording. The frontend has been restarted yet the backend seems to thing that the frontend is still watching it. How do I kill a live tv recording?
21:35<Chutt>restart the backend?
21:35<Confuzed>I can't... it's busy recording shows on other tuners
21:35<Confuzed>Though that's what I usually do when this happens
21:38<Confuzed>I wish one of you guys would put something on the status page that would allow us to "free" tuners. Just in case we want to kill a recording like in this situation.
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22:21<briand>oh, this has *got* to be good... I can't _wait_ to read what prompted this..
22:21<briand>oh, and Chutt -- I like your sense of humor (Chris P. -- you too)
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