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03:51<okolsi>lear
03:56<stuarta>eh?
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06:02<okolsi>as a effort to improve the internal player.. I think I'll put later tonight some details to a new ticket.. basically I have a H.264/QuickTime etc. movie that internal player cannot handle
06:02<okolsi>mplayer plays is okay.. ffplay plays the video but there are no sounds
06:02<justinh>think I can finally say 'morning' without fear of being cut off..
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06:05<stuarta>justinh: morning
06:06<justinh>phoned in again today. apparently a lot of people have this nasty man-flu thing
06:06<Merlin83b2>Heh.
06:06<Merlin83b2>This nasty "I don't fancy this half week thanks" man-flu?
06:10<justinh>nah. you don't see me coughing my guts up on IRC. just as well methinks
06:10<Merlin83b2>Yeah, I'm glad about that.
06:10<Merlin83b2>Get well soon, justinh.
06:10<stuarta>ew
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06:19<gbee>think something's wrong with me, I've just recieved the 1Gb SoDIMM I ordered to double my laptops memory, but I'm reluctant to shutdown in order to install it
06:19<gbee>"justinh: think I can finally say 'morning' without fear of being cut off.." heh
06:19<stuarta>unless you are guarding a 1yr up time i'd upgrade
06:24<Merlin83b2>Do it even if you are. You must have ordered the RAM for a reason!
06:25<janneg>gbee: then you don't need the extra memory. If I had a free slot I would say give it to me :)
06:26<janneg>otoh I waited a week to replace the german layout keyboard with international layout
06:27<gbee>oh I really do need it ;) guess I'll get it installed now that I've run out of memory yet again ...
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06:29<stuarta>hah!
06:30<Merlin83b2>Quick, now he's gone we can talk about him.
06:39<rooaus>Anyone know where the Minimalist-Wide icons came from?
06:44<stuarta>who or where?
06:44<stuarta>you can get the who from svn i reckon
06:45<rooaus>I was looking to fix a couple of the missing buttons and was hoping they may have come from a icon library :)
06:45<stuarta>start drawing
06:45<rooaus>jdonovan committed the theme and his website is no longer available.
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06:48<stuarta>ah jonny nemonic is back
06:48<gbee>heh
06:49<gbee>hopefully I can now avoid living in swap, especially since this drive is so slow that it brought everything to a standstill
06:50<rooaus>stuarta: I don't use minimalist and can't draw, so there is not much chance of me drawing them. Just thought some xml love pre 0.21 might be nice.
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06:54<gbee>rooaus: missing icons in minimalist?
06:57<rooaus>gbee: Yeah, I have added a couple that were available but not set and wondered if anyone knew if they were originally from a library or custom drawn.
06:57<gbee>I think JSD created minimalist and I've not seen him for over a year
06:59<gbee>I know that doesn't answer your question ;)
06:59<rooaus>his website (listed in the svn log) is not longer up, I guess could try an email or something. oh well
07:03<rooaus>I will post the patch to a ticket anyway I guess, fixed a couple things anyway.
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07:39<gbee>really just shows that you can never have too much memory: Mem: 1997604k total, 1632296k used, 365308k free, 59012k buffers
07:42<stuarta>heh. Mem: 4046980k total, 3999568k used, 47412k free, 464000k buffers 2414212k cached
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07:43<gbee>:D
07:43<stuarta>or Mem: 2064112k total, 2022928k used, 41184k free, 15892k buffers 841092k cached
07:44<stuarta>that last one's the dev box
07:49<clever>Mem: 125572k total, 122856k used, 2716k free, 65380k buffers
07:49<clever>my router
07:49<clever>the buffer usage slowly climbs over several days
07:50<stuarta>always will
07:50<clever>but the buffer usage i beleive is only for block devices which are open
07:50<clever>and i cant think of what block devices may stay open so long
07:51<stuarta>i'm sure it's used for more than just that
07:51<clever>the cached part i beleive is for open files
07:51<stuarta>not necessarily open, recently used
07:51<clever>but a call to updatedb seems to use some buffer ram posibly between the fs driver and the block devices
07:54<gbee>well it's climbing, just 15Mb free *sigh*, at least it should behave a lot better than it did with just 1Gb
07:55<clever>my router sits with maybe 100mb free at first
07:55<clever>and it slowly gets eaten by cached and buffered
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08:17<justinh>400 unread emails in -commits
08:17<justinh>people have been busy :)
08:17<stuarta>:(
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08:18<justinh>IIRC I need to do some hacking on pooptube-wide to make it work with the latest mythvideo
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08:45<gbee>does the OSD menu accept mouse clicks?
08:45<clever>some windows can take clicks
08:46<clever>and i think draging the mouse in certain paterns can be bound to a command
08:46<gbee>yeah, but I'm wondering about the OSD in particular
08:46<clever>for if you had a touch panel
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08:47<gbee>I'd test it here but I've got a patch in my tree which intercepts mouse clicks and binds them to keypresses, so I'd have to revert that first
08:47<clever>id like to be able to bind a key to middle click
08:47<clever>for all apps
08:48<clever>'middle' click isnt easy on this laptop
08:51<rooaus>gbee: I don't think so, just tested here using r15270 on laptop.
08:52<clever>the buttons and text boxes seem to reply to the mouse
08:52<clever>probly because they are qt based
08:53<clever>mythui may spread that to more areas
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08:54<gbee>clever: yeah
08:54<clever>.
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09:25<gbee>I hate estimating hours on a project :/
09:26<stuarta>work out a reasonable time and triple it
09:36<gbee>I want to know where the snow I was promised is
09:36[~]justinh has seen snow today
09:37<janneg>I've seen snow too but it is from tuesday
09:37<Merlin83b2>Yeah, we had a tiny amount, certainly not enough to settle.
09:37<gbee>justinh: guess it's all being dumped on the high ground to the west of here then
09:38<stuarta>not even a single snowflake here :(
09:38<justinh>what little we had did lie on the ground though. hate to think about the traffic chaos that ensued.. "arghhH! snow!! <swerve>"
09:39<Merlin83b2>It looked pretty bad on the news.
09:39<Merlin83b2>No problem for areas where people have chains, but enough to make non snowy countried have issues.
09:39<justinh>Merlin83b2: Southerners!
09:39<gbee>stuarta: according to BBC weather it's snowing in London right now ;)
09:40<justinh>first time I ever drove in snow, at least 4 inches on the roads & I managed to get up a big hill & get to work
09:40<Merlin83b2>The pictures were on North Yorkshire.
09:40<stuarta>sadly i'm at the office
09:40<Merlin83b2>4 inches is fine. It's the slushy rubbish that affects driving :)
09:41<Merlin83b2>Enough of this nickname nonsense, time to lose the 2...
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09:52<jams>rooaus- the icons are from a library, but i beleive they were color modified.
09:52<jams>rooaus- the above statement is in reference to your minimalist wide question.
09:53<rooaus>jams: Thanks.
09:54<jams>don't ask which icon set, cause i don't remember =)
09:57<rooaus>I figured you would have said if you did remember :)
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10:22<justinh>if I knew which libraries all the themes with missing icons used, they'd already be fixed
10:23<justinh>even put out an appeal. no reponse whatsoever
10:25<gbee>no READMEs?
10:26<justinh>nothing about icons in mythcenter
10:26<justinh>nothing in blue either
10:27<justinh>G.A.N.T - I started getting some new icons together. can't remember what I committed though
10:28<justinh>anybody could have slapped 'icons' in place of the missing ones but I didn't opt for just anything if it didn't match the house style
10:29<justinh>though having looked at some of the icons again maybe replacing a lot of them is a better option
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10:30<stuarta>afternoon
10:30<johnp__>hi
10:31<justinh>some really good GPL icons on interfacelift.com - pity so many of them are so esoteric
10:31<gbee>one last bug to fix in this icon import patch and I'm just waiting on xris to tell me if it's a server side issue, or one with the client
10:32<justinh>could even be an excuse to redo a lot of the watermark/button icons - to get higher res verions
10:33<johnp__>stuarta, you keeping up with the patches on #4327 ? (up to 8 now)
10:33<stuarta>i'm running 6.
10:34<stuarta>haven't had a chance to put the later ones in yet
10:34<gbee>justinh: or ditch the themes, at least the threat of ditching themes which are missing images might encourage people to supply images or even the original authors to step forward
10:34<justinh>who wants to be the messenger for that?
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10:35<justinh>taste issues aside, maybe go for the ones which only change menus first :P
10:35<justinh>call that a theme? ;)
10:36<MrGandalf>wow, someone's working hard on patches today..
10:37<justinh>rooaus: happen to have a list of missing icons?
10:38<justinh>nm. I have one
10:38<rooaus>justinh: No, maybe jams(?) menu walking screen shot script might help there?
10:39<gbee>justinh: I don't think you can call those themes anymore, not with the standard of themes now being released, it's embarassing to still be shipping those as official themes
10:40<GreyFoxx>MrGandalf: I think the push is one with 0.21 nearing :)
10:40<GreyFoxx>s/one/on
10:40<MrGandalf>that's a good thing
10:40<justinh>G.A.N.T is too popular
10:41<justinh>actually so is mythcenter
10:42<justinh>I don't know why but somehow nuvola icons are sticking out in my mind
10:42<MrGandalf>you should see a doctor for that
10:43<justinh>aye they look familiar :) http://www.kde-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/5358-1.png
10:45<janneg>MrGandalf: can you test if #4043 is fixed?
10:45<MrGandalf>yeah, but not just yet.. later today
10:45<janneg>sure, thanks
10:46<janneg>GreyFoxx: is the upnp brokeness in trunk fixed?
10:46<justinh>rooaus: seems as though nuvola (as greyscales) are what minimalist-wide uses too
10:46<MrGandalf>lemme look at the patch again.. I remember the problem being that the frontend would get the update but the backend didn't
10:47<GreyFoxx>janneg: since Anduins last patches I haven't had a single crash, and I've tried to make it happen
10:47<MrGandalf>also, there's a gotcha
10:48<GreyFoxx>janneg: before his last patch I could make mythtv-setup and such segfault at boot 30% of the time, since then I've tried maybe 20 times with no crashes
10:48<rooaus>justinh: Thanks, I just downloaded the tarball. I see what you mean.
10:49<justinh>dunno where they got the 'tv' icon though.. it's not nuvola
10:49<janneg>GreyFoxx: ok, I'll start merging
10:50<justinh>and I think the overall look could be improved by a) redrawing the menu select bar and b) doing away with the awful shadow in the watermarks
10:51<MrGandalf>janneg: Looking at the code, I'd have to say no
10:51<GreyFoxx>well, I also trackdown 1 of my last 2 weird playback glitches
10:51<GreyFoxx>I was getting a "greenline" at the bottom of some videos
10:51<MrGandalf>janneg: hold on, forgot to check mythfrontend/backend code..
10:52<GreyFoxx>turns out that if you don't have a value in your databsae specifically stating a 0% horiz and or 0% veritcal under/overscan percentage the videooutbase code would assume 5% scaling
10:52<GreyFoxx>and for some reason this one frontend had no values for those in the database
10:52<GreyFoxx>myth was scaling it and on some content something was off
10:52<MrGandalf>janneg: The only place UpdateRecGroup() get called is in TV::PromptRecGroupPassword(), so no, that patch doesn't fix it.
10:53<GreyFoxx>Why the default isn't 0% I don't know
10:53<GreyFoxx>It's 0% on the gui menu, but not the code that reads from the db
10:54<MrGandalf>brb
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10:58<gbee>GreyFoxx: if it helps, 5% is the figure often cited for overscan
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10:59<gbee>whoever wrote the code probably assumed that by default people would want 5% overscan to hide the rough edges of the video
11:00<GreyFoxx>But that assumes their driver/X settings aren't already overscanning
11:00<GreyFoxx>and even that I cuold handle if it was logged or matched the default in the setup menu for that values in question :)
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11:00<gbee>yeah, it's a bad assumption, but I can see the reasoning behind the figure of 5%
11:00<GreyFoxx>makes sense yeah
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11:06<GreyFoxx>I'm going to make the code defaults match the setup menu default values. IF someone wants it changed they can alter it later. But the two should match
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11:14<rooaus>GreyFoxx: There is a ApplySnapToVideoRect() to avoid scaling in either dimension if the overscan value is close (within 5%).
11:18<GreyFoxx>Yeah but only if the value is less than 0.05. So if you never pass those setup menus and myth never explicitly puts 0's in to the database the current code defaults to 0.05 which ends up scaling it
11:20<GreyFoxx>which for some reason or another causes me to get a green line on the bottom of some videos and some slight "shifting" of the layers of the image
11:21<GreyFoxx>http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/greenline/IMG_1439.JPG
11:22[~]jams hands GreyFoxx some glass cleaner
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11:38<justinh>shite. big big mess here :(
11:38<MrGandalf>janneg: The problem the second patch in that ticket fixes is when r is pressed on the frontend, and the db is updated, the backend is never notified of the change. When the frontend then queries the backend for recordings, it returns an old status
11:39<MrGandalf>janneg: the first patch in that ticket also fixed the issue but presents another bug where a LiveTV recording never gets changed to Default - as in when you're asked in LiveTV if you want to let something record or not.
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11:56<gbee>janneg: are those Nova-T 500 bugs now fixed in a released kernel?
11:58<janneg>gbee: no, but I see them now less than once in a month
11:58<janneg>if you count rc kernels as released
11:58<gbee>I do
11:58<gbee>and only because I can't be bothered to build/install the driver from hg
11:59<gbee>two days after enabling active scanning I've seen it happen again, what's unusual is that it didn't correct itself
12:00<gbee>it's happened without active scanning but in those cases the driver sorted itself out and I only missed part of a recording
12:01<gbee>this is with 2.6.23, let me grab the release candidate of 24
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12:03<janneg>gbee: it get fixed because you had with the "disable active scanning" patch "open on demand" activated
12:04<janneg>it "fixes" itself only if none of the device nodes of the device are open
12:04<gbee>shouldn't restarting the backend work? it didn't in this case
12:05<janneg>yes, that should work too
12:06<janneg>GreyFoxx: multirec is merged
12:10<janneg>not to trunk, but changesets up to 15296 are now in multirec
12:10<janneg>which excludes your fix
12:10<gbee>janneg: is there a timeline for merging to trunk?
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12:13<janneg>nothing except soon. daniel is working on a single fix for bruce and I have a couple of things I want to fix
12:14<janneg>but those are rather unimportant and could be fixed after the merge
12:19<GreyFoxx>janneg: Mind if I add 15297 to multirec ?:)
12:20<GreyFoxx>Though I suppose it doesn't really matter. It's a 2 line patch I can keep doing on my own :)
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12:26<janneg>GreyFoxx: I've done it. a merge for a single commit looks strange but who cares
12:26<GreyFoxx>hehe
12:31<GreyFoxx>What do you think about increasing the Max Recordings limit in multirec from 5 to 8 or 10? I've been using mine as 8 (and regularly doing 8 at a time) since last August/Sept when I switched over
12:36<xris>janneg: I hear you have a patch for the pixmap cpu use bug?
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12:41<janneg>xris: no, my plan of just forking the preview generating thread didn't work out. the new process is easily deadlocked
12:41<gbee>xris: not sure if I mentioned this the other night, but lyngsat has reorganised, a bunch of icons are no longer where they used to be
12:41<gbee>e.g. http://lyngsat-logo.com/logo/radio/ab/bbc_radio1.jpg
12:41<xris>guess I have to re-scan
12:41<xris>rescanning now
12:42<xris>really need to just set that up on a weekly cron or something
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12:42<xris>actually... I need to get in touch with them as part of SD...
12:42<gbee>xris: thanks
12:42<xris>we're hoping that we could actually license the art on our own directly from the stations..
12:42<xris>basically turn lyngsat "legit"
12:43<GreyFoxx>that'd be nice
12:43<janneg>I see two options: 1. reorganize the preview generation to avoid locks (no mythcontext access, db access, ...)
12:43<MrGandalf>janneg: is that the info you needed?
12:44<janneg>or 2: write a small application which generates only a png and gets all neccesary pararameters on command line
12:44<janneg>MrGandalf: yes, thanks
12:44<MrGandalf>np
12:45<janneg>I don't know if 1. is feasible
12:45<GreyFoxx>janneg: #2 sounds simplest
12:46<MrGandalf>couldn't the preview generation take place in the ringbuffer? It already knows the filename and how much is written..
12:46<janneg>but is not as efficient as 1.
12:46<xris>janneg: one thing Captain_Murdoch and I were hoping to get out of this was to also pull some info about the recording during preview generation... resolution/aspect/etc to store in the db for nuvexport and mythweb flv..
12:46<gbee>2 also sounds like something that could then be used in mythvideo etc
12:47<MrGandalf>I mean create a png only
12:47<xris>what exactly happened that broke the preview generation before?
12:47<janneg>MrGandalf: we want to generate the preview in a seperate process to avoid mythbackend crashes
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12:48<MrGandalf>that's a good idea
12:48<MrGandalf>skip the ringbuffer idea then
12:48<xris>janneg: I assume it would link against libmyth, right?
12:49<janneg>no, the simple application I have on my mind should only link to libav*
12:49<gbee>xris: does the lyngsat scanning script remove icons that are no longer available or which have moved?
12:49<xris>marks them as deprecated
12:49<xris>not actually sure what *that* does, though. heh
12:50<janneg>xris: no if we link against myth libraries we would have the same problem we have now with the seperate backend process creating the previews
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12:52<gbee>except for the checkblock issue this patch is ready to commit, if I can't fix the block checking tonight then I'll just disable it and we'll go without it for now
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12:53<gbee>xris: how long does the script take to run on average?
12:56<gbee>hehe, just found the perfect excuse to tell users who want to give us their wishlist - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/01/03/microsoft_patents_wish_list/
12:57<gbee>ok, so it's not really the same idea but it sounds good, "no wishlists in the mailing lists because MS has patented them"
13:00<xris>gbee: not actually sure how long it takes. 20 mins, maybe... it's done now, but looks like their "corp" pages have changed format somehow so all of the corp (corporation logos) and radio stuff didn't get found
13:00<xris>I'll have to fix that later.
13:00<xris>janneg: that sucks... can't just fix the problem for the backend?
13:03<gbee>xris: ok, was hoping that the rescan would let me do some more thorough testing because currently all the icons/channels in my list have approved matches, can't accurately test what happens when we don't find a pre-approved combination
13:03<gnome42>janneg: thanks for applying those patches :)
13:04<xris>gbee: you can always "search" and then delete the association
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13:05<gbee>xris: heh, didn't even consider some constructive vandalism of the database ;)
13:06[~]gbee goes to do that
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13:17<janneg>gnome42: you're welcome
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13:20<okolsi>there might be some video issues, but also the audio codec cannot be found
13:20<janneg>xris: it's the application startup being expensive. only thing that would help is generation a couple of previews without exiting the preview generating backend
13:21<okolsi>from the logs: "AFD: No codec for stream index 0, type(Audio) id(AAC:86018)"
13:21<xris>janneg: this isn't "expensive"... it uses up 100% cpu and then hangs like that
13:22<okolsi>is it so that ffmpeg that is currently in use, does not support AAC codec?
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13:32<okolsi>hmm... guess I need to use --enable-libfaac and --enable-libfaad configure options..?
13:34<xris>okolsi: I haven't had much luck with that.
13:34<xris>libfaad would be playback
13:34<xris>but I don't think it works
13:36<okolsi>those are not enabled/working after all.. only in comments in configure :(
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13:46<xris>okolsi: yeah, that's been an annoyance for awhile.
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14:30<justinh>hmm nobody reported these images as missing. is anybody using the themes in 'themes' or did nobody want to speak up? :-\
14:31<laga>i use blootube
14:31<laga>what images were missing?
14:32<justinh>so far found missing images (moved) in most wide themes
14:32<justinh>dunno about 4:3 yet
14:32<laga>ah.
14:32<justinh>should be an entertaining evening
14:32<laga>i#m having some interesting problems with the trunk packages here. looks like mv-sel.png in minimalist-wide got moved recently...
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14:35<justinh>and I'm totally missing mv_mselect
14:35<justinh>wtf? how did all this get so bad so quickly?
14:36<laga>Anduin: hi. it looks like mythvideo ships its own copy of mv-sel.png for the wide theme which overwrites the one in mythtv core. is that correct?
14:37<laga>i'm talking about ./mythvideo/mythvideo/theme-wide/images/mv-sel.png and mythtv/themes/default-wide/mv-sel.png
14:38<justinh>I think I know what might be quicker for me. just go through all the dirs in 'themes' like a dose of salts
14:38<Anduin>laga: Yes, it already did it for 4:3, what are you seeing?
14:38<Anduin>laga: all a consequence of having a slightly larger movies selection dialog for wide
14:41<Anduin>and yes, if there is a separate process that can take a list of input files with params for preview generation I'd add that to MythVideo somewhat quickly.
14:41<laga>Anduin: is it really intended that $stuff in mythvideo overwrites $stuff in mythtv?
14:42<justinh>plugins have to
14:42<justinh>unless somebody can come up with a better idea
14:44<Anduin>laga: I see what you mean, no, all non-shared MythVideo images should be in mythplugins/mythvideo
14:45<laga>that's somewhat annoying because it breaks packages. if mv-sel.png is in two packages (and is supposed to be put in the same directory) you have dpkg screaming bloody murder in no time
14:45<justinh>oh holy pooptubes. blootube is missing images too
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14:46<Anduin>laga: Yeah, just one I missed, I'll delete mv-sel.png from themes/default-wide
14:46<gbee>the copy of the file in mythtv should have been deleted
14:46<laga>cool, thanks!
14:47<Anduin>laga: 15305
14:48<justinh>now I really detest these 'themes' :(
14:48<laga>Anduin: yay. :)
14:48<justinh>bloody millstones, every last mf one of them
14:49[~]Anduin hugs MythCenter and covers its ears
14:50<justinh>I meant my beloved offspring. the core themes are well maintained
14:50<justinh>generally
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15:01<justinh>and ProjectGrayhem is borked too. surprise surprise
15:01<gbee>justinh: even metallurgy needs fixes after Anduin's mythvideo changes
15:02<justinh>these were changes I made a while back, moving images I intended to share out of /video
15:02<justinh>didn't catch em all though did I.. doof!
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15:38<justinh>gbee: in the mythui port, is it planned to do any cleanup of the area labels in places like mythvideo?
15:39<justinh>like put the text into the code..
15:40<gbee>justinh: maybe, haven't given it a lot of thought
15:40<gbee>might be easier to theme if labels were attached to the widgets they are labelling
15:41<justinh>just having been using the UI code a bit recently.. just came to me :)
15:41<justinh>there's no reason not to put it in the code AFAIK
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15:42<gbee>I wouldn't move all text into the code, since I don't think that all the text currently used in the default is necessary, but labels are a good example of something that might work better there
15:42<gbee>s/default/default themes/
15:43<gbee><textedit><label align="top|left|right|bottom"></label></textedit>
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15:44<gbee>so you could have the label position themable
15:45<justinh>or maybe allow a relative position
15:49<gbee>justinh: yeah
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15:53<justinh>right I think that should be all the commits coming out of me for a while now
15:53<justinh>least as far as these things are concerned
15:56<justinh>hmmm neon-wide needs some more
15:57<justinh>mythphone watermark is wrong
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16:01<justinh>heh. killall -USR1 mythfrontend sure is handy :D
16:02<GreyFoxx>hehe
16:03<justinh>now making a whole new theme will only take 15 minutes as opposed to 6 weeks
16:03<justinh>... ish
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16:06<gbee>that's a very big ish
16:06<justinh>it _will_ speed things up a bit though. all the seconds waiting for the frontend to reload mount up
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16:53<gbee>stuarta: have you got EIT data for Dave after 21:30?
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17:13<stuarta>gbee: lemme check
17:13<stuarta>yup
17:14<stuarta>however i did just start testing the latest of johnp's patches
17:14<stuarta>as i'd noticed there were some programs with no title
17:17<gbee>stuarta: ok, obviously just an odd glitch, I didn't have anything
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18:12<MrGandalf>Can anyone explain why there is such a seperation made between tuners in Myth?
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18:13<MrGandalf>something I've never understood..
18:18<xris>not sure what you mean
18:18<MrGandalf>I just learned that browsing is by tuner. Also, saving the last tuned channel is by tuner as well.
18:19<MrGandalf>in the code, all channel changes are by channum + cardinputid instead of chanid
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18:21<MrGandalf>There just seems to be a great deal of effort made keeping a distiction made between tuners/cardinputs at all levels of the code instead of only at the lowest levels.
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18:41<clever>http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Windows_Port
18:41<clever>would it be posible to cross build it from linux?
18:41<clever>using mingw
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18:44<skyphyr>hi all, I asked on the users channel but didn't get an answer (don't kill me yet - I can code). I was trying to figure out if the upnp functionality on mythtv provides the available channels so they can be browsed then streamed live from the dvb card (ideally with timeshifting as well)? If not would the mythtv architecture allow for this? Perhaps using something like a fifo to stream to from the dvb card and from to the upnp
18:44<skyphyr>client?
18:45<xris>skyphyr: still a -users question.. most of us hang out there, too, and if you didn't get an answer, people either don't know or didn't see you ask.
18:46<skyphyr>alrighty - cheers - will try asking again :-) thanks
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18:55<gbee>xris: making a change to the way upnp preview image stuff works, might cut down on backend load
18:57<gbee>rather than calling the preview generator to create different sizes, it will use the existing 320x240 image (if it exists) and rescale it
18:58<gbee>the preview generator is only used if no default preview image exists
18:58<xris>hmm
18:58<xris>the default images are much smaller than 320x240 aren't they?
18:59<gbee>xris: no, I increased the default image size a couple of weeks back
18:59<gbee>made for better looking preview images at HD resolutions
19:00<gbee>if 320x240 is too small I can increase it further, makes little difference as far as the frontend is concerned
19:02<xris>ahhh
19:02<xris>320x240 is way bigger than mythweb uses, so that's not too bad
19:03<gbee>I could modify it further so if you request something bigger than 320x240 it will generate a new image, but I figure this should work well for now
19:04<gbee>at the same time I'm fixing the bug in #3217
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19:05<gbee>GetPreviewImage was never able to handle a zero value and then preserve the aspect ratio, I added that feature for the channelicon stuff but didn't copy it across
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19:10<xris>while you're in there, any chance you want to create db field to store resolution and aspect for the recordings?
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19:26<gbee>xris: I'd have to do that in the preview generator itself, I can do it but right now I'm working in the upnp code
19:26<gbee>I will though, maybe I'll get time over the weekend
19:27<xris>now that I think about it, Captain_Murdoch and I were thinking it should go into the code that fills up recordedseek, since that's a guaranteed "hit"... so don't let me confuse you and have you put it elsewhere (which means you can probably safely ignore me about this issue for now)
19:28<gbee>xris: ok, np
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20:06<diomac>could I use myth tv with a vivo video card to capture a stream from a security camera
20:06<justinh>nope. and btw you're in the wrong channel. read the channel topic
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20:26<justinh>whee missing images in mythweather wide
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20:59<mdew-home>just a quick question, has myth-vid branch been merged into trunk yet?
20:59<GreyFoxx>long ago
21:00<mdew-home>ah ok, sweet
21:00<justinh>hopefully this distclean will fix the missing symbol problems....
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21:01<justinh>think I've spotted some more executable image files. mytharchive this time
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21:07<mdew-home>okay mistake, has mythtv-multirec been merged into trunk yet?
21:07<justinh>nope
21:07<Anduin>but soon
21:07<GreyFoxx>not yet
21:08<mdew-home>hmm is mythtv-multirec based on trunk or stable?
21:08<GreyFoxx>trunk
21:08<GreyFoxx>no branches are based on arelease other than -fixes
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21:19<hachi>is there any documentation on the time normalization at different layers within a running mythtv setup?
21:23<justinh>safe assumption that all systems are in the same TZ
21:23<justinh>usually
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22:35<hachi>justinh: thats not what I'm talking about
22:36<hachi>I mean... data storage in mysql, the times sent over the wire, etc.
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22:52<hachi>whoever decided to use localtime for data storage and wire communication in mythtv needs to be taught a lesson
22:52<hachi>as for documentation on the subject... fail
22:52<hachi>fail badly
22:53<kormoc>So fix it
22:53<hachi>I can't, I can't even get it working once
22:53<Chutt>why would it matter for the wire format?
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22:54<Chutt>if you're in a different tz, you're doing something completely unsupported.
22:54<hachi>because my machines are all in UTC
22:54<hachi>that's just the way servers are
22:54<hachi>and yet, mythtv doesn't like that
22:54<mdew-home>using myth-plugins from trunk svn is safe to use with -multirec branch?
22:54<Chutt>without a timezone set?
22:55<kormoc>My server's clocks are in UTZ but have a correct timezone set and it works fine
22:55<Chutt>so are all my machines
22:55<hachi>no timezone on the machine
22:55<hachi>I have the backend process running in -8, frontend in -8
22:55<hachi>mysql running in UTC
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22:55<hachi>BZZZZT
22:55<kormoc>Most linux distros fail with that setup
22:55<hachi>nope, that doesn't work either
22:56<kormoc>/etc/localtime (or it's equivalent) should always be set
22:56<Chutt>how would you expect that to work?
22:56<hachi>I didn't say it's unset
22:56<hachi>I said it's set to UTC
22:56<GreyFoxx>mdew-home: that should work fine
22:56<kormoc><hachi> no timezone on the machine
22:56<hachi>sorry, didn't mean to convey that
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22:58<kormoc>hachi, the machine timezones should be set to their local time, as unix time stamps when converted to local time will always work out correctly
22:59<kormoc>and if your mysql server and your mythbox are in different time zones, as Chutt said, that's a weird unsupported setup
22:59<hachi>could've been supported if localization was done properly
22:59<Chutt>so fix it.
22:59<hachi>nobody has any documentation!
22:59<Chutt>for what?
23:00<hachi>any of the time stuff
23:00<hachi>I don't see any anywhere for mythtv
23:00<Chutt>err
23:00<Chutt>what documentation would you want?
23:00<hachi>tz problems are unmentioned on the wiki, or in the docs
23:00<Chutt>"run everything in the same timezone"?
23:00<Chutt>because no one does otherwise :p
23:00<hachi>every company I've ever worked for ran their server farms in UTC
23:01<kormoc>Why?
23:01<kormoc>that seems rather stupid when the entire point of unix time stamps is to allow conversion on the fly
23:01<hachi>because where the machine physically sits doesn't matter, what matters is where the user is sitting
23:01<kormoc>hence the setting of the correct local time zone and using unix time stamps
23:02<hachi>I have it set on everything except mysql
23:03[~]kormoc shrugs
23:04<kormoc>you know the problem, you know the two solutions, continuing the discussion is rather pointless
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23:25<clever>tv_play.cpp:3005: error: 'activebuffer' was not declared in this scope
23:25<clever>wrong chann
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23:40<clever>Anduin: http://www.pastebin.ca/840981
23:41<clever>Anduin: does that patch look like it wont cause any other harm?
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23:47<Anduin>clever: Yes
23:47<clever>i'll stick it up in a ticket then
23:48<clever>it helps to see which host the log data is from and quotes the string a bit better
23:50<clever>The server at svn.mythtv.org is taking too long to respond.
23:50<clever>damn xp
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