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00:44<Chutt>xris, how hard can it be to get the numbers i want?
00:44<Chutt>i'm getting extremely annoyed by the replies i'm getting, here.
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02:07<xris>Chutt: no one has expired yet.. there are no *valid* renewal numbers because most people have no incentive to renew for another month
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02:24<Chutt>that argument makes absolutely no sense.
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02:29<haffe_>Hello. Could somebody help me with this?
02:31<haffe_>I'm trying to setup a Happauge Wintv Nova-T500. It is detected by the system, since I have /dev/dvb/adapter0 och /dev/dvb/adapter1. I have come to the stage where I have to setup the TV-cards, and this confuses me a lot. Should I chose analoge V4L card, should I chose DVB-T card?
02:31<cesman>haffe_: #mythtv-users
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02:37<xris>Chutt: makes perfect sense. I don't think I ever pay my bills the day/week they show up, especially if I have 30-40 days before any consequences. *especially* if there is no late fee or penalty for paying a few days late
02:37<Chutt>i'm not a moron
02:37<Chutt>i realize that there aren't final numbers.
02:37<Chutt>how fucking hard is it to generate current stats?
02:40<xris>you see robert's last email?
02:40<Chutt>yeah
02:40<xris>it's sort of a pain because he didn't code renewal into into the payment engine until I begged him for it a couple of weeks ago (I've been asking for months)
02:40<Chutt>basically, you're not keeping track of things that should be necessary.
02:41<xris>not really. the stats are easy enough to generate after the fact, which is all that people ever really thought about up to this point.
02:41<Chutt>ie, the fact that a user has a 1 year paid account
02:41<xris>renewals now still don't *say* anything meaningful.
02:41<Chutt>and just added another 1 year paid account
02:41<Chutt>should be a tiny simple query.
02:42<xris>except that it's not that simple... what if the user had two 2-month accounts, and then was offline for a month, then paid for a 1-year account?
02:42<xris>is that a "renewal"?
02:42<Chutt>for these purposes?
02:42<xris>we have people like that.
02:42<Chutt>absolutely not.
02:43<xris>I still don't understand what info you're trying to glean from these stats, though.
02:43<xris>they don't mean anything for projections until the expiration period has past and we've "lost" the member.
02:43<Chutt>all i want to know is what % of users that expire in june (ie, the first big chunk), have re-signed up for something.
02:43<Chutt>i've been asking for *3* weeks
02:44<xris>that's pretty much the number I gave
02:44<xris>I've been out of it for awhile (work crap) and guess I expected robert to chime in with the numbers earlier.
02:45<xris>grumble.. stupid mplex won't mux HD files...
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02:51<rmeden>hi
03:08<sphery>Chutt: In case you haven't had time to dig through to find the same-filesystem detection, it's in GetFilesystemInfos in programs/mythbackend/backendutil.cpp . Basically, though, it compares total filesystem size and space used. If total size of filesystem for 2 directories is within 16kB and used space differs by less than 5 seconds of max bitrate write, they're assumed to be the same filesystem.
03:09<Chutt>sphery, yeah, i found it. 3 empty drives of the same size = duplicate
03:10<sphery>yeah, false positives are common with new drives, but quickly disappear (i.e. after a recording to 2 out of 3 drives :)
03:10<Chutt>i just copied random log files to them
03:10<sphery>better than false negatives, though (which would make Myth think it has extra space)
03:10<sphery>that works, too
03:10<sphery>or dd if=/dev/zero...
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03:21<Chutt>xris, i _just_ got your email from an hour ago. thanks, that's closer to what i was looking for.
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10:45<gbee2>crap, seems ITV-HD is paff & spatial
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10:47<gbee>guess coreavc might be the only option for now
10:47<laga>gbee: did you come up with anything when looking at the memory leak?
10:49<gbee>laga: not really, there are a couple of possible leaks but I'd like to know more about mpeg streams before I could be sure
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10:53<gbee>was it with the latest version of fixes?
10:56<gbee>hmm, doesn't matter - only two changes since release and neither is applicable to this issue
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10:58<gbee>laga: I'll take another look tonight, problem is that the valgrind log lacks line numbers so I can't instantly see where the leaked memory was allocated, it's probably staring me in the face though
10:59<laga>no line numbers? :(
10:59<laga>i think i had him install debug symbols, tho
11:00<stuarta>i seem to remember something similar from ages ago
11:00<stuarta>relating to correctly throwing away broken packets
11:00<gbee>I can't actually remember just whether valgrind tends to include line numbers or not
11:01<stuarta>i patched it, however the patch was reverted since apparently it threw away too much and caused other issues
11:03<stuarta>gbee: valgrind includes line numbers if the symbols are there (debug or profile) build required
11:03<GreyFoxx>Have any of you tried the CoreAVC patch ?
11:04<gbee>ok, that's what I thought
11:04<gbee>GreyFoxx: think I'm going to try it tomorrow
11:04<gbee>just about to move the dish first
11:04<gbee>GreyFoxx: MrGandalf has apparently been using it for months
11:05<GreyFoxx>I'm just wondering if it's worth including in myth proper and make it a choosable decoder just like libmpeg2 and such
11:05<GreyFoxx>so the user just needs to download/install coreavc but not touch myth
11:06<stuarta>hmmm
11:06<GreyFoxx>we can even "detect" the existance of coreavc before showing the option
11:06<gbee>GreyFoxx: that's what I'm thinking we should do
11:07<gbee>the current patch already checks for the existance of the codec before attempting to use it, at least it looks that way from the casual inspection I did last night
11:07<GreyFoxx>yeah loooked that way to me too
11:08<gbee>I'd rather see ffmpeg handle all decoding, but I've got to be realistic and admit that won't happen for a while
11:10<gbee>I've pretty much come to the conclusion that I need coreavc, so it will definately be getting installed over the weekend
11:10<stuarta>don't you have to pay for that?
11:13<GreyFoxx>$15
11:14<gbee>stuarta: yeah, it's cheap
11:14<GreyFoxx>It's cheap enough that I was tempted to buy it to play with the patches for the heck of it :)
11:15<gbee>£7 isn't a whole lot really - I've already spent half that on parking charges today
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11:17<gbee>http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/06/06/asus_shows_eee_box_b202/
11:18<gbee>on second thoughts, without an optical drive it wouldn't make a good frontend at all and useless for HD
11:19<laga>that's.. ugly
11:19<RJ2>I was wondering what the current state of scrobbling from mythmusic / last.fm streaming support is like - i just got mythtv set up last night
11:19<Chutt>laga, but it's wood grain!
11:20<laga>Chutt: that was my point. :)
11:20<RJ2>I'm using a package atm, not built head yet. apparently someone is working on adding support to mythmusic?
11:21<Chutt>gbee, mythuigroup != mythuitype?
11:24<gbee>Chutt: right now it's mythuitype with inheritance, I intend to add some bells and whistles, but arguably there isn't a good reason for a seperate uitype
11:24<gbee>you can't copy mythuitype and though it would take just two lines to change that, I figured it might be better to leave it strictly as a base class
11:26<Chutt>yeah, it's fine
11:27<Chutt>was just curious if it was anything different than the base =)
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11:32<gbee>sorry, phone
11:32<gbee>I may add some neat iteration stuff that I discussed a while back, but I can only see one place that might be useful and that's mythweather
11:34<gbee>anyway, the primary motivation for add it now in an unfinished state is to support the multi-widget states in mythuistatetype
11:35<Chutt>i hate dealing with rotated video
11:35<Chutt>especially when it has to be relative to the screen rotation
11:35<gbee>which in turn I need for this new mythlistbutton (or mythuibuttonlist as I've renamed it)
11:35<Chutt>ah
11:39<gbee>multi-widget statetypes have their own advantages from multiple images in watermarks to contextual changes in page layout
11:40<Chutt>can't the existing statetype be multi-widget?
11:40<Chutt>ah, right,
11:40<Chutt>if it were just using mythuitype
11:46<gbee>currently the only way to make it multi-widget would be to nest them, which is pretty limiting because their positions would be relative to the parent - by putting them under a generic widget which doesn't display anything e.g. mythuitype you can achieve the desired result
11:46<Chutt>right
11:46<gbee>which is what I originally did, until I decided that would require modifying mythuitype a little and so I decided to use mythuigroup instead
11:47<gbee>the change to mythuistatetype is tiny
11:47<Chutt>makes sense
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11:50<laga>how happy are you guys with the backtraces supplied by apport, btw?
11:52<gbee>grouping serves other purposes, such as applying effects to a bunch of items with a single entry in the theme, e.g. the title/subtitle/description of a program sliding into view after the page loads through the use of <moveby>
11:53<gbee>btw, not an effect I plan to put in my themes since I'd probably find it annoying, it's just to illustrate the point ;)
11:59<laga>"
11:59<laga>A 42-inch Eee TV should add basic computing functions to an LCD HDTV and will also become available in September, with pricing reportedly just $200 above the price of a stand-alone TV set."
11:59<laga>that'd be awesome. http://www.electronista.com/articles/08/06/05/asus.eee.monitor.photo/
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12:11<sardiskan>I need help, I can't burn recordings to DVD with mytharchive
12:13<sardiskan>I also cannot transcode any recording
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12:18<sardiskan>found something on DVD creation
12:19<sardiskan>http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythArchive#MythArchive_doesn.27t_work._It_gets_to_the_log_viewer_and_just_sits_there._What.27s_wrong.3F
12:19<sardiskan>I'll try this
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12:24<iamlindoro__>sardiskan, perhaps a better discussion for #mythtv-users? (see topic)
12:25<sardiskan>ops
12:25<sardiskan>Sorry...didn't realize this was the dev channel
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13:08<gbee>sourceforge are running an open source awards thingy and I like the categories - "Most Likely to Be Ambiguously Accused of Patent Violation", "Most Likely to Get Users Sued", "Most Likely to Be the Next $1B Acquisition"
13:09<gbee>heh, in light of those categories it's pretty ironic that the awards are sponsored by Microsoft
13:13<sutula>gbee: On the contrary, what makes you think the award is the only thing you get from M$
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13:56<bkero>I bet the award is a C&D
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14:00<beandog>heh
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14:01<stuarta>gbee: if you ask me that's a way for m$ to know who to sue next
14:11<gbee>stuarta: yup
14:11<gbee>it's a shopping list
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14:47<foxbuntu>CDev_, ping
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15:21<gbee>moved the dish and I'm still having no luck with BBC HD, of the dozens of transports only that one shows an error rate above zero >:(
15:25<stuarta>:(
15:29<gbee>only frequency I actually care about, so amazingly bad luck
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16:07<Net_S551>(once) the time is: 16:07:19
16:07<Net_S551>the time is: 16:07:37
16:08<laga>melunko_: what time is it now?
16:08<Net_S551>the time is: 16:08:10
16:08<Net_S551>the time is: 16:08:45
16:09*gbee frowns
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16:09*laga stabs Net_S551
16:09<Net_S551>the time is: 16:09:17
16:09<stuarta>we really should invite chanserv in here and give all the dev's +v
16:09*stuarta tazers Net_S551
16:09<gbee>GreyFoxx: I'm installing coreAVC now FWIW
16:09<GreyFoxx>gbee: Cool,
16:10<Net_S551>the time is: 16:10:02
16:10<GreyFoxx>stua: I agree
16:10<gbee>ok, now I agree too
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16:10<gbee>the one time it came up in the past Chutt wasn't in favour though
16:10<Net_S551>the time is: 16:10:39
16:11<Net_S551>the time is: 16:11:35
16:11<GreyFoxx>the chanserv bit, or morepoeple with +v ?
16:12<stuarta>they go hand in hand
16:12<Net_S551>the time is: 16:12:08
16:12<GreyFoxx>at least some who are regularly here :)
16:12<gbee>both, since you can't really enforce +v properly without chanserv
16:12*stuarta goes in search of staff
16:13<gbee>or +o, or flags in general
16:13<Net_S551>the time is: 16:13:00
16:13<Net_S551>the time is: 16:13:30
16:13<stuarta>ffs no staff around
16:14<Net_S551>the time is: 16:14:02
16:14<Net_S551>the time is: 16:14:32
16:15<Net_S551>the time is: 16:15:03
16:15<laga>time for some more stabbings
16:15<Net_S551>the time is: 16:15:47
16:16<Net_S551>the time is: 16:16:18
16:16<Net_S551>the time is: 16:16:48
16:17<stuarta>Chutt: can we have chanserv in here now?
16:17<Net_S551>the time is: 16:17:47
16:17-!-mode/#mythtv [+o Chutt] by ChanServ
16:18-!-mode/#mythtv [+b *!*@*uwaterloo.ca] by Chutt
16:18<@Chutt>good enough?
16:18<@Chutt>:p
16:18<stuarta>heh
16:18<stuarta>think the boot may be needed
16:18<@Chutt>eh
16:18<@Chutt>the bots can't talk
16:18<@Chutt>:p
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16:19<stuarta>ahhh......
16:19<stuarta>anyway, as a general idea, would it be good to have chanserv in here on a regular basis like we do in #mythtv-users?
16:20<@Chutt>it's usually not necessary
16:20<@Chutt>but i can look into that
16:20<stuarta>not usually necessary in -users either
16:20<stuarta>but it's a nice to have
16:20<stuarta>since generally it's the devs that have the appropriate access levels
16:21<stuarta>to moderate/cleanup as needed
16:26<gbee>ok, coreavc/directshow installation is pretty easy, a few steps but as long as you follow the guide it seems to go smoothly - especially if you run the coreavc installer under wine
16:29<@Chutt>added a bunch of devs to the access list for the channel
16:30<@Chutt>you should be able to op yourself (msg chanserv op #mythtv <nick>)
16:30<@Chutt>stuarta, janneg, gbee, GreyFoxx, xris, kormoc
16:30<stuarta>cheers
16:31<@Chutt>does it work?
16:31<@Chutt>i don't see the need for chanserv to be in here
16:31-!-mode/#mythtv [+o stuarta] by ChanServ
16:31-!-mode/#mythtv [-o Chutt] by Chutt
16:31<@stuarta>yup
16:31<Chutt>good 'nuff
16:31-!-mode/#mythtv [-o stuarta] by stuarta
16:31<stuarta>that'll do. thanks muchly
16:32<Chutt>i'll add anyone who feels left out
16:32<Chutt>but that should give decent coverage of times :p
16:33<stuarta>yeah, pretty much
16:33-!-mode/#mythtv [+v stuarta] by ChanServ
16:33<+stuarta>ooo
16:33<xris>oh, cool
16:33-!-mode/#mythtv [+o xris] by ChanServ
16:34<+stuarta>now don't be greedy :-P
16:34<Chutt>heh
16:34-!-mode/#mythtv [+o xris] by ChanServ
16:34<Chutt>i like not having artificial distinctions in the user list :p
16:34<@xris>ok, I can't seem to DE op myself
16:34<+stuarta> /deop #mythtv
16:34<@xris>not in this client
16:34<Chutt>hah
16:34<@xris>I thought I used to use /mode -o <nick>
16:35<+stuarta>try it
16:35<Chutt>try with #mythtv after the mode
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16:35<@xris>stuarta: I tried. didn't do anything
16:35<+stuarta>not yet seen a client so crap it can't do basic irc stuff
16:35<+stuarta>oh dear
16:35<+stuarta>ah. tell chanserv to deop
16:35<@xris>stuarta: colloquy for mac.
16:35-!-mode/#mythtv [+v gbee] by ChanServ
16:35-!-mode/#mythtv [-o xris] by ChanServ
16:35<+gbee>yup, works
16:36<xris>ok, at least I can get chanserv to do it.
16:36-!-mode/#mythtv [+v gbee] by ChanServ
16:36*xris needs a refresher in irc commands.. heh
16:36-!-mode/#mythtv [+v xris] by ChanServ
16:36<Chutt>whaddya guys want +v for?
16:37<+xris>just playing
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16:37<+stuarta>it's nice
16:37-!-mode/#mythtv [-v stuarta] by ChanServ
16:37<stuarta>gives one a warm fuzzy feeling
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16:37<Chutt>suuure
16:37<stuarta>i'll admit, i'm strange :)
16:38-!-mode/#mythtv [+o xris] by ChanServ
16:38*gbee opens a beer to achieve that same feeling
16:38<Chutt>hrm
16:38*sutula tries to figure out whether the chatter from all the new ops is worse than the bot clock :)
16:38<stuarta>i think i'm up to number 5 on the beer front
16:38<Chutt>22 minutes until 5pm
16:38<stuarta>escape, no one will notice
16:38<Chutt>of course not
16:38<gbee>stuarta: you're well ahead of me then
16:39<stuarta>it is a 2 beer train ride home from the office :)
16:39<gbee>not for much longer ;)
16:39-!-mode/#mythtv [-o xris] by xris
16:39<xris>ok, /deop works now
16:39*stuarta goes for another
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16:59*stuarta beers gbee to make sure there's no drought
17:00<gbee>cheers :)
17:00<stuarta>:)
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17:04<gbee>GreyFoxx: coreavc patch doesn't apply cleanly against trunk
17:04<gbee>I'll put an updated version in trac
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18:06<GreyFoxx>gbee: Cool, much to change?
18:07<gbee>couple of conflicts and another two qt4 related fixes
18:07<GreyFoxx>ahhh
18:07<GreyFoxx>trying playing anything with it yet ?
18:08<gbee>just about to try it
18:08<gbee>I was waiting for the recording I was watching to finish :)
18:09<GreyFoxx>hehe
18:09<gbee>hmm, must have missed something, it's still using ffmpeg
18:10<gbee>ok, missed the last step in the install guide
18:14<gbee>I really need to try this on the frontend that it's going to be used, my laptop doesn't have the power (which I expected)
18:15<gbee>two samples play, although not smoothly but the 20 minutes BBC sample doesn't play at all
18:15<gbee>it's not really a fair test, so I'll install it on the frontend tomorrow and see how it performs
18:22<Majost>Do the predefined filters come from libmythtv?
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18:29<gbee>GreyFoxx: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket/3053/coreavc.patch
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18:44<Majost>Do you know if this patch fixed pes h.264?
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