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00:25<tsukasa__>okay, i only have one problem left
00:26<tsukasa__>basically i cant fullscreen the front end
00:26<tsukasa__>the tv is 1366x768, and it works just dandy at any windowed resolution, in both opengl and qt
00:26<tsukasa__>including 1365x767
00:27<tsukasa__>but as soon as its 1366x768 or fullscreened, the graphics fuck up, with the menus being all torn up and distorted
00:27<tsukasa__>so how can i fix this
00:27<tsukasa__>dammit wrong channel again
00:28<tsukasa__>this should be renamed mythtv-devel T_T
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02:44<stuarta>interesting set of discussions following on from the dvb s2api announcement
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05:02<gbee>stuarta: arguments over the decision to go with S2 instead of multiproto?
05:03<stuarta>yeah
05:03<gbee>interesting that one of the most vocal critics throughout has been the guy who wrote multiproto support for VDR - he's upset that it was a waste of time
05:04<stuarta>hah. i've not followed the discussion at all
05:04<stuarta>not had the time
05:06<laga>the guy has a point, though. i doubt the meeting was completely unbiased ;)
05:06<gbee>I've not followed the whole thing through, just checked in on it from time to time
05:07<stuarta>yeah, i had to agree that there was the potential for bias
05:08<gbee>they _do_ have a point, but for the sake of getting some working next gen support in the kernel I think that they should just drop it
05:11<gbee>I can't really debate the technical merits of which API is better, but from my perspective the one which was developed by a group and which is an extension of the old API sounds more promising than the complete re-write by one individual
05:12<stuarta>i agree
05:12<stuarta>also the fact that one of the guys been contributing works for hauppage
05:13<hads>Sounds like it makes sense.
05:16<gbee>stuarta: aye, multiproto - according to a email last week from Manu, multiproto doesn't support any hauppauge devices ...
05:18<gbee>which I guess could be fixed pretty quickly, to be fair
05:20<rooaus>I liked Manu's statement though... "Void is beautiful too."
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05:38<anykey_>let's hope that this quickly comes to an end and we can use dvb-s2 soon :)
05:42<gbee>I think that statement made followed the meeting is conclusive enough, the debate is over and s2api won - the people arguing now probably won't change that
05:42<stuarta>yes
05:43<laga>i think one of these guys (markus?) had his own repo anyways
05:43<laga>so i don't know why wants to contribute to the discussion when he has forked the code already
05:44<anykey_>because. ;)
05:44<gbee>remember that this has been going on s2api vs multiproto for a month - the meeting sealed the fate of multiproto
05:44<stuarta>thought it was a year
05:45<gbee>stuarta: there was unhappiness about multiproto for 18 months, but s2api was only really born in the last couple of months (following an initial proposal about a year ago)
05:45<stuarta>ah, okay
05:45<gbee>lots of people were bitching about multiproto, but there wasn't an alternative on the table until now
05:46<gbee>at least that's the way I've understood things, those subscribed to the list would have a better picture of things
05:48<gbee>if anything, that demonstrates one of the good things about S2API - from work starting to kernel it's going to take 1/3 or less of the time than multiproto
05:49<stuarta>\o/
05:49<gbee>simpler changes, more devs - longer term that means more people interested and able to maintain
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05:53<buttnutt>hi
06:02<gbee>have there been mpeg stream handler changes which might explain why this leak has been fixed - http://paste.ubuntu.com/50031/
06:03<gbee>I don't remember the commit, but it could have slipped past me in one of Erik's patches as I wasn't paying a lot of attention to those
06:04<stuarta>RSAAuthentication yes
06:04<stuarta>PubkeyAuthentication yes
06:04<stuarta>oops
06:04<stuarta>damn windows cut n paster
06:04<gbee>PasswordAuthentication no
06:05<stuarta>i believe there was something in that area from erics patches
06:05<stuarta>i have that already :)
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06:08<gbee>just checked, user says that it was fixed for them after upgrading -fixes from http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/17490 but there were no commits to libmythtv/mpeg/ which account for it
06:08<stuarta>ooo, heroes s3 starts on bbc on 1st oct
06:09<stuarta>curious
06:09<stuarta>i've long suspected there are memory issues in that area
06:09<stuarta>that only show up when you have a bad signal
06:09<laga>i think someone commented it might be related to EIT handling
06:09<gbee>except maybe this one - http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset?new=18228%40branches%2Frelease-0-21-fixes%2Fmythtv%2Flibs%2Flibmythtv%2Fmpeg&old=17502%40branches%2Frelease-0-21-fixes%2Fmythtv%2Flibs%2Flibmythtv%2Fmpeg
06:09<laga>and janneg committed something related to that. although he claims it couldnt have possibly fixed it :)
06:09<gbee>looks like we have a winner
06:10<stuarta>what commit was that?
06:10<gbee>http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/18228
06:10<laga>18228?
06:10<stuarta>much nicer url :)
06:10<gbee>yeah
06:11<gbee>it's the only possible commit, if we assume that the user is right and the problem is definately fixed
06:11<stuarta>close the ticket anyway
06:11<gbee>not that I can see how exactly :/
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06:42<janneg>gbee: that commit can't have fixed a mem leak. the only change is that the memcpy is done in less cases
06:43<janneg>and if the user hadn't complained about strange chars in EIT before the change it should not make any difference
06:55<gbee>janneg: yeah, it doesn't explain it
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07:29<academy>I have xvid movies split over 2-3 CDs and have chained them so that after mythtv plays the first cd it automatically moves on to the second. I then marked cd2/3 as not browseable, yet they still appear in the video listings. How can I hide them?
07:30<justinh>first of all, go to the correct channel :)
07:31<academy>ugh,
07:31<academy>sorry
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08:32<gbee>602 open tickets, doesn't seem that long ago when we managed to bring it under 400
08:33<gbee>we need more devs, or at least some people to triage tickets
08:34<stuarta>or some of those time turner things harry potter has
08:34<stuarta>so us devs can actually get some work done
08:37<gbee>aye, that would come in handy
08:38<gbee>can't even blame Erik, only 23 of those tickets are his
08:39<stuarta>oh dear
08:39<stuarta>we have got a lot of work to do...
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08:43<gbee>problem is that we've fewer people active right now, Chutt, Captain_Murdoch, Gigem, Bruce, Oscar and possibly xris are all inactive at the moment
08:44<gbee>where inactive == not active on MythTV ;)
08:44<stuarta>well i'm only at 5%
08:44<stuarta>if that
08:46<gbee>that leaves just five people able to contribute more than an hour a week - Janneg, Nigel, Danielk, Paul and I
08:47<stuarta>that's pretty much the only people actively doing any commits
08:48<gbee>120 tickets each, conservative average of 30 minutes per ticket, 60 hours total each just to clear the backlog and that ignores the ongoing work we're all doing
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08:49<gbee>even with my flexible schedule, 60 hours is huge chunk of my spare time ;)
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08:50*gbee lights up the Bat signal
08:53*stuarta fires up the windows build on this laptop while waiting for HP engineer
08:54<stuarta>ffs. i'm sitting on a 100mb/s connection to the net and download of perl is doing 40k/s
09:06<stuarta>now to encourage this to build on d: not c:
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09:14<justinh>I better learn to code & quick! ;)
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09:37<janneg>gbee: and only Paul, Nigel and you commit regularly
09:39<janneg>feck, my MBE's root disk just died
09:39<gbee>my condolences
09:40<stuarta>wtf does the windows port need the fortran compiler?!?!?
09:41<stuarta>it's entirely possible thats where tar is for some odd reason
09:42<gbee>forgot Kevin and Stanley in the list of inactive devs, so from ~23 devs 18 months ago we're down to between 3 and 7 active
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09:43<gbee>13, typo
09:43<justinh>where did everybody go?
09:43<gbee>some have probably moved on, after a while people just find new interests
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09:44<gbee>others are just extremely busy and the more time you spend away from a project the harder it is to get back into the work
09:45<GreyFoxx>It would be sweet to be paid to work on Myth all day
09:45<GreyFoxx>At least for a while :)
09:45<GreyFoxx>I'd much rather be doing that than my "real job"
09:45<gbee>there is always a natural turnover, only we've not added any new faces to replace them (although I believe there are some good candidates around)
09:46<gbee>GreyFoxx: aye
09:46<GreyFoxx>I actually got to spend an entire 6 hours messing around in the code on Saturday and loved every minute of it
09:46<GreyFoxx>but that was a rare circumstance :/
09:47<justinh>I love it when stuff works :)
09:47<justinh>just have to keep in mind that when it doesn't work, it's probably not far off working - or I've bitten off more than I can chew
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09:48<rooaus>I wonder if there will be more activity from non core devs when 0.22 is released, ie after Mythui and qt4 port bedded down?
09:49<janneg>the drive isn't even detected anymore
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09:50<justinh>janneg: ouchy
09:50<gbee>maybe, there is also a seasonal cycle which you see in OOS - during the Summer, when the weather is better and the days longer people don't want to spend their weekends and evenings sitting in front of the computer, so I expect we'll see a small upsurge as we head into winter
09:51<rooaus>true
09:51<gbee>janneg: that really sucks
09:52<janneg>hard to say but I think it doesn't even spins up
09:52<rooaus>gbee: Did any further discussion happen about the trac triage workflow?
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09:54<gbee>rooaus: no, I think we need to pin down Chutt - even if everyone else is in favour he's the only one who can add new people to trac
10:00<rooaus>gbee: np. by the way, I wasn't suggesting myself for the role :). But I do think you could definitely find a couple of suitable people. Just thinking it might help you out with the 600+ tickets.
10:04<gbee>back in a while, have to go out
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10:06<zabbadapp>easiest way from a frontend to "ping" and see if myth-backend is running? (not the server, but the actual myth-backend)
10:07<rooaus>zabbadapp: try #mythtv-users
10:07<zabbadapp>thanks, sorry
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10:30<stuarta>so much fun watching the win port build....
10:31<laga>are you going to provide binaries?
10:32<stuarta>not atm.
10:32<stuarta>this is more testing for the fun of it
10:32<laga>good for your sanity ;)
10:32<stuarta>i am insufficiently interested in windows to make binaries available
10:33<justinh>just get a domain with some false whois info. no email, no pack-drill
10:33<stuarta>meh, i'd release osx binaries before windows ones
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10:47<justinh>duh
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11:09<mattwire>anybody know which theme gbee was testing mythvideo with?
11:09<mattwire>i can't get it to run with any of the themes so far
11:10<gbee>G.A.N.T and MythCenter
11:10<mattwire>ah, you're back.
11:10<justinh>give me a chance & I can update the rest of the core themes
11:10<gbee>mattwire: just in :)
11:11<gbee>I did forget to delete the old video-ui.xml from themes, let me just do that
11:11<mattwire>it works with gant
11:12<mattwire>getting an issue with main menus not displaying any text though
11:13<mattwire>with both qt and gl painters
11:13<laga>i have that in virtualbox
11:14<laga>well, with mythtv itself, not mythvideo
11:14<mattwire>mythcenter and blue display menus but I think they're both using images
11:14<mattwire>yes, mythtv itself
11:14<mattwire>mythvideo seems to be fine in fact
11:16<mattwire>i'm running it on a real system
11:16<gbee>Mythcenter doesn't use images
11:16<mattwire>that's odd then
11:16<gbee>GANT's probably just missing the correct menu font
11:16<gbee>it uses Arial
11:17<justinh>mythcenter & gant use the same fonts AFAIK
11:17<gbee>and QT isn't quite smart enough to find a suitable replacement on most systems
11:17<justinh>oops. trebuchet MS is what mythcenter uses
11:18<gbee>which probably isn't installed either, but QT knows of a similar looking font and uses that instead
11:19<mattwire>strange, i do have arial installed from the msttcorefonts set
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11:19<mattwire>can see it in openoffice and stuff
11:19<gbee>ok, well I'm out of ideas ;)
11:19<mattwire>does mythfrontend log when it can't find a font?
11:20<justinh>mattwire: only if a font definition is missing
11:20<justinh>never moans that it can't find a font face
11:21<gbee>it should, just one of those things that I've not got around to adding
11:25<mattwire>nothing obvious in the logs
11:25<mattwire>when it starts up with any of the themes I get five of these messages:
11:25<mattwire> MythUIButton::CopyFrom: Dynamic cast of a child failed
11:25<mattwire>but that's even with mythcenter which works
11:28<gbee>mattwire: hmm, just added that error - wonder why
11:28<gbee>probably a typo
11:32<gbee>fix committed, typo in Erik's patch, missed it when reviewing
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11:41<mattwire>ok. that error has gone now
11:41<mattwire>in mythvideo I can't switch to list view
11:41<mattwire>Get a missing elements error:
11:41<mattwire>Loading from: /usr/share/mythtv/themes/default/video-ui.xml
11:41<mattwire>2008-09-24 16:41:03.609 Theme is missing critical elements.
11:42<gbee>which theme?
11:42<mattwire>mythcenter
11:42<gbee>err, nevermind
11:42<gbee>odd, checking now
11:43<Chutt>make sure that's not an old copy of the theme lying around
11:43<Chutt>ie, it says '/usr/share', and most svn builds wouldn't install there
11:44<mattwire>they do if you use --prefix=/usr
11:44<Chutt>which isn't a good idea, but, whatever you want =)
11:44<mattwire>i know, but it works better that way for me
11:44<mattwire>because I usually build my own packages which install there
11:45<mattwire>and if i do svn builds to /usr/local i end up getting conflicts
11:45<mattwire>but anyway, i did clear the entire /usr/share/mythtv directory out earlier to try and get the fonts to appear
11:46<gbee>aside from forgetting to sync the -wide version of the default theme to match the non-wide, I can't see an obvious cause - it works here
11:50<mattwire>it seems to be getting very confused with paths, missing off subdirectories etc
11:50<mattwire>need to do a bit more investigating to find out exactly what it's doing
11:50<gbee>mythvideo, or the theme stuff?
11:50<mattwire>mythvideo
11:51<gbee>might need switching to filebrowse mode - defaults to database, but the underlying list building hasn't changed
11:52<gbee>Menu > Change View > Enable File Browsing
11:53<gbee>or just do a rescan
11:53<mattwire>filebrowse works ok
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11:55<mattwire>except if i switch it with a usb key connected it opens that instead
11:55<mattwire>with 28 entries and filenames ranging 00001 to 00004
11:55<mattwire>and i can't get out without exiting mythvideo and re-entering
11:56<mattwire>at which point it's no longer in file browse mode
11:56<gbee>fixing the 'no longer in file browse' bug, typo meant the setting wasn't being saved
11:57<gbee>no idea about the USB key - pre-existing bug because I've not changed that side of things at all
11:57<mattwire>the setting in mythvideo settings doesn't make it stick either
11:59<gbee>mattwire: yeah, because the wrong value is being saved as a result of the typo
11:59<gbee>fix committed
12:05<gbee>heh, an up-node is displayed in the root directory in file browse mode
12:06<gbee>up directory node
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12:08<mattwire>think it's working ok now without the usb key
12:08<mattwire>i'll have to look into that
12:08<mattwire>another time..
12:08<mattwire>still can't get into list view though
12:09<mattwire>getting the critical elements error still
12:09<mattwire>any way of telling which elements it's missing?
12:09<Anduin>mattwire: not runnin 18400?
12:09<gbee>mattwire: current trunk?
12:09<mattwire>svn as of about 2 mins ago
12:09<gbee>mattwire: only one element is critical for that screen <buttontree>
12:10<gbee>on the other three it's <buttonlist>
12:12<gbee>can't see where that rogue up directory node is coming from
12:14<gbee>mattwire: pastebin video-ui.xml and I can double check, but it's there in trunk and I know GreyFoxx has been using it without that problem
12:15<gbee>mattwire: it should be in <window name="tree">
12:16<mattwire>http://pastebin.com/d1a23767a
12:16<mattwire>it has two lines defined there i think
12:16<mattwire>there's a buttontree definition in there
12:18<gbee>that's all correct
12:20<mattwire>still no joy after cleaning the installed files
12:20<mattwire>i'll build it on my mythbox and see if the problem exists there as well
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12:24<GreyFoxx>you are seeing an Updirectory icon in the root of the videogallery ?
12:24<mattwire>yep
12:24<GreyFoxx>I've Definitely not seen that
12:25<GreyFoxx>But I'm also doing another update/compile right now so I'll try it again
12:28<laga>GreyFoxx: do you still have that embedded mysql patch somewhere?
12:28<gbee>GreyFoxx: only there in filebrowse mode
12:29<gbee>it's something unrelated to the mythui changes, that child node just shouldn't be added to the root
12:32<gbee>I'll debug later, it's not that serious
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12:53<Anduin>the list view brokenness is not theme related currently, how are you getting there gbee?
12:53<Anduin>(a jump point is the only thing that looks like it will work)
12:57<gbee>Anduin: mythfrontend mythvideo
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12:57<gbee>"Video List"
12:58<Anduin>Yeah, cheating :)
12:59<gbee>I know what's wrong - shouldn't take two minutes to fix
12:59<Anduin>I've got several other things to commit tonight, I'll add a fix for this one (had already started on part of it). One of the problems is that the normal menu will jump to the DLG_DEFAULT, the DLG_TREE check will fail, SwitchLayout() doesn't even try currently.
13:04<gbee>Anduin: got a patch for switch layout, not quite sure what the normal menu problem is?
13:04<Anduin>gbee: in runScreen() from the default jump the dialog type is DLG_DEFAULT, bypassing the check to DLG_TREE and resulting in a VideoDialog instead of a VideoTree
13:05<gbee>ahh
13:06<gbee>yeah, so the default screen type check needs to be moved - I'll leave that to you, I might as well commit the switch layout fix first
13:07<gbee>that code was never updated to reflect the need for video tree to be a seperate screen, at the time I still thought it might be possible to combine them into one
13:08<gbee>actually I've since decided it would be possible, but I wasn't going to go back on what I'd already started
13:10<Anduin>It is very close now, having a fuller common base I'll be able to hide it if I can't make it all fit
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13:16<gbee>it would be possible with some m_type switches in Create() and the currently virtual methods
13:18<gbee>it would eliminate the remaining duplicate code
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13:45<gbee>Chutt: there?
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14:04<stuarta>ooo er...
14:04<stuarta>"Theme is missing critical elements"
14:05<stuarta>clearly project grahem doesn't like gbee's latest changes
14:06<stuarta>any way to find out what it wants?
14:07<mattwire>i asked the same questions earlier..
14:07<mattwire>apparently no there isn't a way currently
14:07<Anduin>stuarta: "videos" or button list
14:07<stuarta>ah, that's what you were wondering
14:07<Anduin>he may not be seeing the same thing
14:07<mattwire>but critical elements are buttonlist
14:07<mattwire>or buttontree
14:08<mattwire>for mythvideo
14:08<stuarta>i get it attempting to enter watch videos
14:08*stuarta tries a different theme
14:08<mattwire>it should work with all the built-in themes
14:08<mattwire>or the others if you remove video-ui.xml to force it to use the default
14:10<stuarta>hmmm
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14:11<stuarta>should it not pull in a default element if a theme is missing it?
14:11<stuarta>that would allow things to work, albeit look a bit strange
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14:16*stuarta gets a backtrace from the frontend exit hang
14:23<stuarta>grrr, missing qt4 debug symbols
14:24<stuarta>87.6Mb ??? eeek
14:27<clever>yes the qt4 debug symbols are painfull
14:27<clever>200mb unpacked for my system
14:27<clever>more painfull when you have ~200mb ram
14:28<stuarta>hahah
14:28<clever>yes i do have other systems with more ram
14:28*stuarta fires up the frontend again to watch it hang
14:28<clever>but using the core file on the wrong / causes problems
14:28<clever>the binarys dont match up perfectly
14:29<clever>thats one of the nice things from sharing a / with nfsroot
14:29<clever>the core file fits perfectly on every system
14:29<stuarta>that's why i upped my dev machine to 2Gb
14:29<clever>my last crashing problem was a bug within the iobound warning when writing
14:29<clever>which only got triggered often on my 400mhz system
14:31<stuarta>i was hoping they had been fixed with the commits nigel's been doing
14:31<clever>i havent updated much lately
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14:35<gbee>stuarta: just delete video-ui.xml in the project-grayhem folder
14:36<stuarta>definitely off waiting for threads to exit
14:36<stuarta>gbee: okay
14:37<justinh>stuarta: I'll fix all that stuff when I get round to it - probably won't be too long - course anybody else is welcome to help :)
14:37<Dibblah>I assume kormoc isn't all that active at the moment?
14:37<gbee>it doesn't currently fallback to the default theme, it should and I'll add see about adding that at some point
14:37<Dibblah>Trying to triage #4608...
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14:38<Dibblah>(The issue is that Mythweb updates the schedule, but the backend doesn't stop the in-progress recording, since it's already active)
14:39<Dibblah>The user has expectations set by 'Cancel this schedule' being accessible there.
14:40<Dibblah>It actually MEANS cancel the schedule for recording any of that recording rule - not the instance of the program.
14:42<gbee>Dibblah: being able to cancel an in-progress recording from mythweb would be handy, I generally end up having to delete them instead
14:43<Dibblah>Agreed. Looking at the code now to see how easy it is to genericise the 'do not record this instance' button, which I seem to remember working.
14:44<xris>gbee: can you even do that fro the frontend?
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14:44<Dibblah>"Do not record this specific showing"
14:44<xris>I tend to just "delete", though that's usually the only reason I'd want to stop a recording, anyway
14:44<gbee>xris: yes
14:44<gbee>in the Watch Recordings menu you can "Stop Recording"
14:46<xris>ah. menu.. that's something I rarely use. heh
14:46<gbee>I occassionally spot a programme I want to record at the last minute which clashes with a lower priority in-progress recording, I might not want to lose half of a recording just because there was something more interesting to record (rare but it happens)
14:46<xris>I'll have to try that next time I have a zero-byte recording.. deleting that when in progress makes the backend segfault.
14:46<xris>not sure if that bug has been fixed or not -- I've been hesitant to upgrade since the qt4 port started.
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14:47<gbee>xris: STOP_RECORDING
14:48<xris>you'll have to remind me about that sometime when I'm home
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14:48<gbee>sure
14:48<xris>I'll probably end up with a bunch of spare time next week. wife is out of town.
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14:50<pat__>Hi, I've just set up my myth tv box, and scanned in all the channels (uk/dvb-s/freesat), but now I have hundreds of channels with seemingly random channel numbers. How can I manually reorder them in the guide?
14:50<pat__>Oh soory I guess I should be in -users
14:51*stuarta wanders off to cook some fuud
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14:54<gbee>GreyFoxx, Anduin: the flat mode is a per-screen option, should filebrowse be the same? So the user can have some views browse the filesystem and others can use the database without have to constantly flip between them?
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14:55<Dibblah>I misremembered. Schedule override doesn't work on in-progress recordings either.
14:56<Anduin>gbee: It was (thus the "[view type] browses files" option), there are disadvantages though, different filter/browse files/etc mean more tree rebuilding during the switch.
14:57<gbee>Anduin: that's why I kept it a global setting, but I just thought I'd check whether that was acceptable
14:59<Anduin>Yeah, I have no problem making it a toggle, I don't think I can get away with eliminating per-view settings anyway.
15:01<Dibblah>Nope. This was a bad ticket to start triaging. I can see the issue from the user's point of view - There is not enough separation between the 'schedule' and the instance of the schedule.
15:01<gbee>might be possible to merge the filebrowsing/database modes at some future point, such that the tree contains both lots of data and we just mask out the entries we don't want
15:03<gbee>at the point where we build the list in loaddata we can check the item against the filter rules before creating a buttonitem
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15:03<gbee>one way of doing it maybe (here I go again)
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15:08<gbee>laga, janneg: mind looking at the T&C for this site and seeing if we can legally use the data - http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5470
15:08<gbee>Thanks
15:08<laga>sure
15:10<gbee>s/thanks/please/ and thank you ;)
15:13<laga>there is no *explicit* rule against it. but i'm not sure if it's allowed.
15:13<laga>you can have one copy of the page for viewing
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15:14<laga>but you may not use it in any way for private or commercial use.
15:14<laga>we could send an email?
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15:20<gbee>better to ask
15:20<laga>sure
15:21<laga>i will compose one tomorrow i guess
15:21<gbee>thanks :)
15:21<Dibblah>Does this sort of thing actually help? http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4608#comment:11
15:21<gbee>we need a legal department ;)
15:21<gbee>Dibblah: sure
15:23<gbee>doesn't necessarily mean that we have extra time to fix an issue, but understanding the problem helps save time wasted on back and forth with a ticket submitter who might never even reply
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15:30<laga>i think i've done four complete checkouts of mythtv today
15:30<laga>bandwidth is just too cheap
15:33<Dibblah>http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3395
15:33<Dibblah>Appears that the entirety of the patch (modified) has been applied.
15:34<Dibblah>I assume this could be changed into a tracking ticket.
15:34<Dibblah>Oh, dear - It already is :( Sorry for the noise.
15:40*gbee sobs
15:41<gbee>604 open tickets, up two from earlier despite closing tickets
15:42<laga>:(
15:42<laga>that's a lot
15:42<laga>and i was complaining about 160 against mythbuntu
15:43<laga>and there are still a lot which needed to be forwarded to trac..
15:43<laga>so, does chutt want other people to triage bugs?
15:45<laga>i've become pretty good at the whole "invalid" and "wontfix" thing.
15:46<gbee>laga: Chutt hasn't said anything on the subject ..
15:46*gbee waves at Chutt
15:47*laga pokes chutt with a broom handle
15:48<gbee>kormoc: want to close http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4599 as no response?
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15:54<gbee>http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3682 requires a protocol change and that means changes to mythweb, perl and python bindings
15:54<gbee>*yay*
15:54*gbee requests a pay raise
15:55<kormoc>gbee, bug me tomorrow? I'm so bloody swammped
15:55<gbee>kormoc: sure
15:55<laga>gbee: tell the guy to provide complete patches?
15:56<gbee>laga: nah, despite my whinging it's just quicker to make the changes myself, it's something I'm interested in seeing fixed
15:56<laga>ah.
15:57<gbee>could wait months for patches, already have - I said what needed doing 7 months ago
15:57<laga>ah. i guess i should read the ticket.
16:12<clever>gbee: about http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4143 , i had posted that the file played without trouble but i see otherwise now
16:12<clever>the frontend skips like hell, probly from a audio buffer overflow
16:13<clever>but only for 1 short part, probly where the mythtranscode is exploding
16:13<clever>probly simpler to just close the ticket and avoid frame grabbers
16:14<clever>http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s188/evildagmar/Misc/kittenkiller.jpg
16:16<gbee>clever: it's a valid bug which should probably be fixed
16:16<clever>when playing the file back, the audio starts to play real fast
16:16<clever>then the audio starts skiping as the video speeds up
16:17<clever>and after a short while it levels out and plays normaly
16:17<gbee>clever: unlikely to be me fixing it though, so the explanation is wasted ;)
16:17<clever>probly trying to compensate for a lack of audio frames or something
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16:18<clever>i could try to run the file thru plain ffmpeg and maybe forward the ticket to them:P
16:19<gbee>if it offloads the work, sure ;)
16:20<clever>:S
16:20<clever>ffmpeg not found!
16:20<laga>you should compile a trunk checkout anyways
16:20<clever>mythtv@d600:/tmp$ /media/mainlv/root/7.10/bin/ffmpeg -i /media/mainlv/mythtv/1028_20071106120000.nuv tribles.avi
16:21<clever>Error while decoding stream #0.0
16:21<clever>Floating point exception
16:21<clever>FFmpeg version SVN-r9260, Copyright (c) 2000-2007 Fabrice Bellard, et al.
16:21<clever>trunk of which program?
16:21<laga>ffmpeg
16:21<laga>if you want to report a bug with them
16:21<clever>ah
16:22<clever>i beleive i do have trunk
16:22<clever>just havent updated recently
16:22<clever>mythtranscode --infine /media/mainlv/mythtv/1028_20071106120000.nuv --outfile tribles.nuv
16:22<clever>Unknown option: --infine
16:22<clever>oops typo
16:23<clever>-rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv 1023K 2008-09-24 17:20 tribles.avi
16:23<clever>-rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv 6.6M 2008-09-24 17:23 tribles.nuv
16:23<clever>the crashing seems to be at diff points within the file(or the codecs are just better/worse)
16:23<laga>clever: you do not have to redirect your terminal to this channel
16:23<laga>;)
16:23<clever>i'll have to backtrace is more
16:23<clever>and your lucky i didnt cat /dev/tty> channel
16:24<clever>i have tail -F on all my myth log files
16:24<clever>it keeps spewing the entire autoexpire list
16:24<laga>clever: in irssi, you can do /exec -o <your command>
16:24<clever>yes i know
16:24<laga>so you could actually use irssi as your terminal. and annoy everyone in here ;)
16:24<clever>but that would spew all, not a few select lines
16:24<clever>and it tends to drop lines
16:25<clever>it stops reading the fifo when waitpid() returns, not when the fifo is EOF
16:26<clever>and irssi probly doesnt like the line drawing char used to reset to the start of the line
16:27<clever>:(, 4800 baud is painfully slow
16:28<clever>back at the fast xterm now
16:30<clever>ok, cant get a backtrace out of ffmpeg:*
16:31<clever>not a debug build
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16:40<Chutt>gbee, you poked?
16:41<laga>Chutt: do you want people who are not core developers to triage tickets in trac?
16:41<Chutt>sure
16:41<laga>any guide lines?
16:41<Chutt>uh
16:41<Chutt>i dunno
16:41<laga>other than "don't fuck up"?
16:41<Chutt>and "don't be too mean"
16:41<laga>alright, common sense it is then
16:41<laga>i actually signed something that prevents me from being too mean.
16:41<gbee>ok, well it would help if those people had accounts (maybe not full admin) to be able to change ticket properties that average users can't
16:42<laga>dang ubuntu CoC ;)
16:42<Chutt>right
16:42<Chutt>gbee, i'd have to make a new class of user
16:42<Chutt>i'll look into doing that
16:42<clever>playing with trac perms can get fun:)
16:42<Chutt>for some weird definitions of fun
16:43<gbee>I think we can pick a few people that can be trusted with the task and if it helps us get through the huge backlog any faster/easier then that's a good thing IMHO
16:43<clever>ive messed with my own trac a bit there
16:43<Chutt>gbee, agree
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16:44<gbee>Chutt: it's pretty easy Admin -> Permissions -> Put name and a new group name into the "Add Subject to Group" box
16:44<gbee>then give that group permissions as normal
16:45<gbee>just tested it by adding myself to the 'test' group
16:45<Chutt>oh, ok
16:45<Chutt>can it be done through the webui?
16:45<Chutt>i mean, that means any dev can add people :p
16:45<gbee>yep
16:46<gbee>sure, though they still need to be registered users which AFAIK you need to setup
16:46<gbee>unless we installed one of the registration plugins so users can self-reg
16:47<Chutt>ah
16:47<clever>login still seems to be plain http-auth like on mine, which meant i had to edit the .htdigest
16:47<Chutt>just get people to send me a htdigest line
16:48<gbee>ok
17:17<Dibblah>http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/255 (Improved scheduling of consecutive programs with pre-roll/overrecord) - Isn't this patch / ticket obsoleteish with the changes from multirec?
17:17<Dibblah>(Record to multiple files)
17:21<gbee>it's definately a dead ticket, no activity in nearly two years, for digital users it's less of an issue although multirec doesn't handle the situation perfectly - AFAIK, back to back recordings still happening on the same virtual tuner
17:23<gbee>neither Gigem or Bruce are that active right now and I can't think of anyone else who wants to look at the scheduler
17:24<Dibblah>Only DTVRecorder got that ability?
17:24<Dibblah>Hmm.
17:27<gbee>yes, it wasn't extended to the other recorders, in fact the way I understand it the ability to record to two different files from the same stream wasn't added at all - multiple instances of dtvrecorder are used instead
17:27<gbee>might be wrong on that point though
17:28<gnome42>gbee: you are correct.
17:29<Dibblah>Yes, I see that now, looking at the code.
17:29<gnome42>I have a patch to improve scheduling with back-to-back shows on the same multiplex.
17:33<gnome42>It needs testing with the shared firewire/STB setup.
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17:52<laga>Chutt: what's your email address?
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