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01:35<CIA-2>OpenTTD: peter1138 * r9645 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Feature: Add NewGRF Action 5 (Sprite Replacement) support for 2cc colour maps, airport, and road stop sprites.
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01:52<DorpsGek>bark bark bark woef woef grrrrr
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03:31<CIA-2>OpenTTD: peter1138 * r9646 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Fix (r9645): incorrect count in error message for airport graphics
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05:30<CIA-2>OpenTTD: maedhros * r9647 /trunk/src/settings_gui.cpp: -Fix (r6631) [FS#733]: Select "Custom" in the difficulty settings gui when changing a setting. (Frostregen)
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05:38<hnsn>nice fix
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05:59<CIA-2>OpenTTD: maedhros * r9648 /trunk/src/settings_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Use HASBIT directly rather than shifting and then using it on the first bit.
06:00<Eddi|zuHause>this sounds like "clean up stuff, while we are here"
06:00<Maedhros>yup :)
06:03<peter1138>urgh yes
06:03<peter1138>that was ugly :p
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08:14<@Belugas>hello
08:14<peter1138>hi
08:15<@Belugas>today, we are under the rule of anthology of winter : there is snow, freezing rain, rain, wind etc...
08:15<@Belugas>nice weather :S
08:15<@Belugas>hello peter1138
08:15<Eddi|zuHause>we have 25°C here ;)
08:15<Maedhros>hey Belugas
08:16<Maedhros>bah, it's 10 degrees cooler here than it would have been if i'd stayed in the south :-(
08:18[~]Belugas wishes he was way further in the south
08:18<@Belugas>to the south...
08:18<peter1138>here it is about 20
08:18<@Belugas>this calls for...
08:18<@Belugas>COFFEE
08:18[~]peter1138 rode :D
08:19<@Belugas>i envy all those who are above 10 celcisu
08:19<Maedhros>heh, it's 12 here
08:20<@Belugas>thus i envy you :D
08:28<Sacro>tis 17 here
08:28[~]Sacro sweats
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10:29<sai>hey guys, can someone tell me if there is a possibility to get a huge credit, without typing a few hundred times on "20,000" in the budget window ?
10:30<Sacro>sai: ctrl+click
10:31<sai>ahhh, thanks a lot, very practical
10:33<Frostregen>the "1-click-amount" should be modified by inflation too
10:35<peter1138>1-click-amount? quick, hide from amazon
10:36<Frostregen>lol
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11:03<ln->http://195.149.144.149/images/99/9986132653.jpg (safe for work)
11:05<Morphy>nice anti-theft device :P
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11:27<peter1138>heh, wonder how long it must've been there...
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11:56<CIA-2>OpenTTD: miham * r9649 /trunk/src/lang/ (brazilian_portuguese.txt dutch.txt estonian.txt italian.txt):
11:56<CIA-2>OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2007-04-16 18:55:24
11:56<CIA-2>OpenTTD: brazilian_portuguese - 8 fixed by fukumori (8)
11:56<CIA-2>OpenTTD: dutch - 8 fixed by habell (8)
11:56<CIA-2>OpenTTD: estonian - 11 fixed by kristjans (11)
11:56<CIA-2>OpenTTD: italian - 25 changed by lorenzodv (25)
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11:58<Wolf01>hello
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14:02<ln->forget not to backport to 0.5 branch:
14:02<ln->01:30 < CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9641 /trunk/src/namegen.cpp: -Fix (r7182): namegen.cpp was not UTF-8, which caused artefacts in Finnish town names.
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14:26<CIA-2>OpenTTD: belugas * r9650 /trunk/src/table/town_land.h: -Documentation: Finalize doxygen comments for town_land.h
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14:44<CIA-2>OpenTTD: belugas * r9651 /trunk/src/smallmap_gui.cpp: -Codechange: make legend system of smallmap a little bit less magic with the help of a struct and not an array of bytes
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14:55<CIA-2>OpenTTD: belugas * r9652 /trunk/src/smallmap_gui.cpp:
14:55<CIA-2>OpenTTD: -Fix(r9651): "const" keyword forgotten. Spotted by glx.
14:55<CIA-2>OpenTTD: I guess i'm a bit eager to have a writable array for newindustries ;)
14:56<peter1138>shhh
14:56<peter1138>don't mention those words
14:56<@Belugas>peter1138! newcargos!!
14:56<@Belugas>uops... ancien history
14:56<peter1138>oldcargos!!
14:56<@Belugas>lol!
14:56<peter1138>Born_Acorn! OldCargos!
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15:07<SpComb>this music keeps me awake
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15:28<dihedral>have a little question for you devs
15:28<dihedral>would it be a lot of work to make a list of maps to play in order for a server?
15:29<dihedral>or checking if there is a scenario file with 'todays' daate
15:29<peter1138>shell script could do that ;)
15:29<dihedral>and then rather than generating a random map , loading that file
15:30<peter1138>possibly a job for autopilot
15:31<dihedral>na... trying to not use autopilot
15:31<@Belugas>dihedral, got my email?
15:31<dihedral>yes i did
15:31<@Belugas>i'm not sure if you should send it, though...
15:31<dihedral>though it still ended up in the junk mail folder for some odd reason
15:31<@Belugas>i still think it's a long way before having a proper letter :(
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15:31<@Belugas>i'm a dirty old junker :P
15:32<dihedral>i did skim over it
15:32<dihedral>and correct a little
15:33<dihedral>we can only get 3 outcomes from it
15:33<dihedral>good answer, bad answer, no answser
15:33<dihedral>and no answer is better than a bad one
15:34<dihedral>yeah ... that could be understood in another way...!
15:34<peter1138>personally i don't see the point. it's been tried before :p
15:35<dihedral>why give up?
15:36<dihedral>btw: what is the release status of 0.6? just being curious here :-D
15:36<peter1138>preferably after 0.5.1
15:37<dihedral>any time period...?
15:37<peter1138>no
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15:37<dihedral>ie. this or next year
15:39<@Rubidium>not necessarily
15:39<@Belugas>bad answer i fear the most
15:39<@Belugas>SHUTDOWN!!!
15:39<@Belugas>brrrrr
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15:39<@Belugas>for the record, there is NO timetable
15:40<@Belugas>none whatsoever
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15:41<@Belugas>i hate deadlines anyway..
15:44<dihedral>was not thinking of a deadline as much as an aim :-)
15:44<dihedral>or a guestamate
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15:47<dihedral>was not trying to express any type of 'client pressure' here, just curiosity :-) and appreciation
15:49<@Belugas>to be honest, not the smallest idea on anything.... the only thing that is sure is that it will be out one day :)
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15:50<@Rubidium>ofcourse we could say 0.6 will be released after newindustries is finished ;)
15:51<dihedral>:-P
15:52<dihedral>what about releasing more 0.5.x's with little features or added patches to keep players 'hooked'
15:52<@Rubidium>'little' features like?
15:52<@Belugas>Rubidium : that was funny :D
15:53<@Belugas>like newhouses maybe ?
15:53<@Belugas>but then, it shold be a 0.5.5
15:53<dihedral>:-D
15:53<Eddi|zuHause>0.4.5 was an odd name for a major release anyway :p
15:53<@Belugas>but no... i think it shold wait for 0.6
15:55<dihedral>Rubidium: you probably know more patches and features than me, so that would be up to you to label something 'little'
15:56<CIA-2>OpenTTD: belugas * r9653 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Codechange: Indicate the proper function names in the GRF messages
15:57<@Belugas>conflicts :(
15:57<@Rubidium>don't we love those?
15:58<@Belugas>yeah, even more when self-inflicted ;)
15:59<Maedhros>heh, http://rafb.net/p/sHgnzW82.html
16:00[~]Maedhros now realises why the map colours are specified in the dos palette :)
16:00<@Rubidium>no 1-to-1 mapping?
16:00<peter1138>heh
16:02<Maedhros>there are 6 colours that don't match in both palettes, but since they're 1-6 in the windows palette i assume they're magic colours anyway
16:03<@Belugas>gone home
16:03<peter1138>http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=31522 < weird
16:03<@Belugas>enjoy the evening :)
16:04<peter1138>no
16:04<peter1138>it's sleepy time
16:04<Maedhros>bye Belugas :)
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16:07<ln->Is X-Plane (the flight simulator) legal to sell in Germany?
16:08<Szandor>I have an AI/squirrel question...how do I get to the squirrel Standard Library functions (e.g. math functions)?
16:09<Eddi|zuHause>ln-: why wouldn't it be?
16:10<Eddi|zuHause>if it's about 3rd reich stuff, it's probably legal, if it is not accessibly by under 18-year-olds
16:11<Eddi|zuHause>s/ly/le/
16:11<ln->because it includes the Hindenburg with the red flags on its rudder(s).
16:11<Eddi|zuHause>hmn, that was wrong, too
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16:15<ln->hmm, no screenshots of it on google, but yeah, it looks like what it looks like.
16:16<Eddi|zuHause>i'm not a lawyer, but i think, the symbols are technically not forbidden, you just may not show them in public
16:19<Eddi|zuHause>but it's definitely forbidden to put them on toys
16:19<Eddi|zuHause>i think i remember a discussion about a card game about WWII
16:20<Eddi|zuHause>and it had that problem, that it displayed nazi symbols on some planes
16:20<Eddi|zuHause>it was not illegal, but it could not be sold to children
16:21<ln->that's a bit.. hmm.
16:21<dihedral>remember return to castel wolfenstein? they had flags all over the place - so having that stuff in the game, esp. in historic planes, etc. should not be a legal problem
16:22<dihedral>as it his part of history
16:22<Eddi|zuHause>well, that had the same classification, it was forbidden to sell to under 18
16:23<Eddi|zuHause>(which implies it may not be sold in stores, where children have access to, and stuff)
16:23<dihedral>buy it online :-P
16:23<Frostregen>it was the only game that would run decently on our schools pc's back then ;)
16:23<ln->ok, here we have a couple of screenshots (anyone under 18, don't look): http://users.utu.fi/lanurm/kuvat/tmp/screenshot_49.png http://users.utu.fi/lanurm/kuvat/tmp/screenshot_50.png
16:24<Wolf01>'night all
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16:26<Eddi|zuHause>dihedral: about legal problems, there was recently a huge discussion, if symbols like this are illegal: http://www.projektwerkstatt.de/polizei-rechte/kein-Hakenkreuz.png
16:27<Eddi|zuHause>(i think that the outcome was that they should be legal)
16:28<Eddi|zuHause>(but only in 2nd instance, or so)
16:28<dihedral>they are not standing in relation ship to historic events or stuff
16:28<ln->Eddi|zuHause: what about something like this: http://www.tpk.fi/ahtisaari/images/presidentin_lippu.gif
16:29<dihedral>ie - showing a german ss soldier from that time in a movie is not illegal either
16:29<dihedral>showing the ss symble on it's own is not very nice though
16:29<Eddi|zuHause>ln-: that's gonna be interesting ;)
16:30<ln->yeah, because it's the "presidential" flag of finland, or something like that.
16:33<Eddi|zuHause>http://www.spiegel.de/unispiegel/wunderbar/0,1518,407135,00.html <- the applied law (german)
16:33<Eddi|zuHause>ln-: i believe it's ok, because it is sufficiently far away from the nazi symbol
16:34<Eddi|zuHause>"(3) Absatz 1 gilt nicht, wenn das Propagandamittel oder die Handlung der staatsbürgerlichen Aufklärung, der Abwehr verfassungswidriger Bestrebungen, der Kunst oder der Wissenschaft, der Forschung oder der Lehre, der Berichterstattung über Vorgänge des Zeitgeschehens oder der Geschichte oder ähnlichen Zwecken dient." <- that probably covers the scenario dihedral mentioned
16:35<ln->and this former "logo" of finnish airforce then: http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuva:Finlang_roundel_WW2_border.svg
16:35<Eddi|zuHause>it says "it does not apply, if it's showing historical events"
16:36<Eddi|zuHause>ln-: i believe there's a reason why this is the "former" symbol :p
16:36<dihedral>hehe
16:38<ln->true... though the finnish airforce was using that symbol since 1918, the guy in germany only started using it a lot later.
16:39<Eddi|zuHause>i don't know the exact history of the symbol, but i believe it is of ancient germanic origin... and it was used by nationalistic movements in germany way before 1933
16:42<maad>Eddi|zuHause: the symbol of hitler? it's very old symbol connected to god of sun, but then it was mirror copy of what we know now
16:44<ln->the flag of the airforce unit of Lapland, still in use: http://www.ilmavoimat.fi/filebank/2399-lippu_laplsto.gif
16:45<dihedral>it's a wonder Israel never complained, or one of the other countries
16:47<maad>there it is, egyptian symbol of sun (or god of sun): http://www.goldenageproject.org.uk/images/slides/trademarks.jpg
16:47<Eddi|zuHause>maad: a teacher of mine described the origin like: "take two sticks, put them together, put the ends on fire, let it roll down a hill" ['wheel of sun' or something]
16:48<maad>yeah, something like that
16:48<maad>but the directions of spin are different
16:57<ln->isn't it so that germany wants to have a directive to ban the symbol in the whole EU?
17:05<dihedral>night guys
17:06<dihedral>i need to go warm up my blanket
17:06<Eddi|zuHause>there were attempts for that, yes
17:06<Eddi|zuHause>afaik they have been turned down by the EU
17:06<dihedral>attempts to warm up my blanket - that's kind of you
17:06<dihedral>:-P
17:07<Eddi|zuHause>what do you need a blanket for? it's summer :)
17:07<dihedral>to curl up in
17:07<dihedral>and to pull over my ears
17:07<Eddi|zuHause>15°C over average in april
17:07<dihedral>i always pull something over my ears
17:07<dihedral>:-P
17:08<dihedral>anyway
17:08<dihedral>my bed is calling even louder now
17:08<dihedral>good night
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17:08<ln->i though we were having nice weathers here (18..19°C during weekend), but then a bunch of people who returned from Germany told about the 30 °C.
17:09<Eddi|zuHause>yeah, it's really insane ;)
17:09<Eddi|zuHause>in the news they were laughing about the people who travelled to the baleares (15°C max.)
17:11<ln->these bunch of people traveled through sweden and denmark, and their photos show that there was snow on ground somewhere in southern sweden... quite a change within few days and a thousand kilometers.
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18:25<ln->interesting, i found both ISO C99 and ISO C++ standards by simple googling.
18:25<ln->not drafts, the actual standards.
18:26<ln->those are definitely not supposed to be freely available.
18:39<Digitalfox[Home]>"Those are definitely not supposed to be freely available." Why not?
18:41<Digitalfox[Home]>ln-: Only asking because i thought everything about the c++ was free ( but not the compilers )..
18:47<Eddi|zuHause>i think it's the exact opposite
18:48<Eddi|zuHause>the document containing the standard is only available through a license fee
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18:49<Eddi|zuHause>and wether a compiler is free or not lies entirely with the people developing it
18:51<Digitalfox[Home]>Eddi|zuHause: Yes, but when i was typing i was thinking on compilers from microsoft and the alikes... :)
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19:09<Sacro>!logs
19:09<SpComb>Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd
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20:41<Ailure>X dosen't toggle station sign transparency
20:41<Ailure>bug or feature?
20:53<Sacro>Ailure: always a feature
20:54<Ailure>;P
20:54<Ailure>aha
21:12<Ailure>hmm
21:12<Ailure>seems to be a bug related to if you send a aircraft that hadn't finished unloading to a hangar
21:12<Ailure>then refit it
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23:11<Ailure>hmm
23:11<Ailure>I wish the way bridges works was reworkd
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23:15<DaleStan>TrueBrain: <wallyweb> why is the changes.log for tonight's r1494 empty?
23:42<Ailure>I really hope that's referring to another project
23:46<DaleStan>Ailure: Yep. TTDPatch. I really should have mentioned that detail to TrueBrain too.
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