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---Logopened Thu May 17 00:00:00 2007
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01:53<Phazorx>did something bad happenned to otfc again?
01:54<@Rubidium>not that I'm aware of
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01:58<Sacro|Laptop>yeah, it netsplit earlier
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02:04<Phazorx>i got 3 diff idents request past connect after netsplit
02:05<Phazorx>weird
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02:16<@peter1138>morning
02:16<hylje>evening
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05:46<kaan>goodmorning all
05:47<hylje>hi
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06:41<Luukland>Is here any admin which can help me?
06:41<Luukland>I only have some questions :)
06:41<Luukland>Rubidium? peter1138? Someone?
06:42<@Rubidium>why would an admin be needed for that?
06:42<Luukland>he gan give me the correct answers :)
06:42<Luukland>may i query you?
06:42<Luukland>darf ich Sie queryen?
06:42<@peter1138>ask on channel
06:43<Luukland>Ok i would like to know who is the leader/supervisor of the multiplayer servers
06:43<Luukland>of OpenTTD :)
06:44<@Rubidium>depends on the server
06:44<@blathijs>Luukland: Noone, really
06:44<@Rubidium>every server has it's own admin
06:45<Luukland>bacause last times i got on a server, the whole time someone is buying land around "his" factories and mine stations
06:45<Luukland>it gets very irritating
06:45<Luukland>where can I report such things?
06:45<@peter1138>tough
06:45<@peter1138>play on a different server if you don't like it
06:46<Luukland>well, if you have been playing for 50 years
06:46<@Rubidium>Luukland: try to get in contact with the administrator of the particular server
06:46<Luukland>where can i find those names?
06:47<@Rubidium>sometimes there are in the servername, otherwise it's anyone's guess
06:47<Luukland>maybe it is an idea for the future, maybe you can assign someone to this particular thing
06:48<Luukland>because now this game is ruined :( :(
06:48<hylje>public ottd multiplayer sucks because the game is so easily abused :\
06:49<Luukland>that is correct
06:50<Luukland>so you advise me to play only multyplayer with friends?
06:51<hylje>friends or a community
06:51<hylje>where you have server admins around
06:51<@Rubidium>try to find a server that is properly monitored
06:51<Luukland>ok :)
06:52<Luukland>may i thank you all for your help?!
06:52<hylje>sure
06:52<Luukland>:)
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06:59<@peter1138>yeah, really useful
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07:02<nowhere>hi, question. I was playing on a server, then suddenly all my company got erased and I was put spectator. What could be the reason?
07:04<eJoJ>bankrupt?
07:07<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r9861 /trunk/src/unix.cpp: -Fix: null pointer derefence under MorphOS and AmigaOS.
07:07<@Rubidium>the server admin could've removed your company (possibly by accident)
07:11<nowhere>yes but I was in the company
07:11<nowhere>or is there a way to putspec?
07:12<@Rubidium>nowhere: when the server admin removes (or you bankrupt) your company you'll automatically become spectator
07:13<nowhere>server admin can't remove company when there are players in it
07:13<@peter1138>iirc you can't remove a company if it has a player
07:13<nowhere>i'm a little puzzled, I know there was an abusive admin in the game
07:13<@peter1138>possibly you went bankrupt, or there's a bug
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07:20<Bjarni>wow. Blizzard just released another update for StarCraft
07:21<Bjarni>how old will their games get before they stop caring about them?
07:21<Bjarni>any other company would have forgotten about such an old title by now
07:21<hylje>until nobody plays them
07:21<hylje>wc2 bnet is still up
07:22<Bjarni><hylje> until nobody plays them <-- that would mean that they have to support them for decades
07:22<hylje>they do
07:22<hylje>starcraft itself is soon about a decade old
07:22<Bjarni>yeah
07:22<hylje>besides, blizzard is gearing up for a new game in two days
07:23<Bjarni>...
07:23<Bjarni>bye bye exams :/
07:23<hylje>rumor has it it's starcraft the second
07:23<hylje>dont worry, the game will be released at the earliest by next year
07:23<hylje>a beta test of an year is to be expected
07:24<Bjarni>ahh
07:25<Bjarni>besides I never bought any new games in the exam period. It's the road to fail
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07:28<hnsn>i like to fail
07:33<@peter1138>Bjarni: i had a RCT patch the other day
07:33<@peter1138>not quite as old
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08:18<Ammler>Is the planeset still uncompatible with ottd?
08:21<@Belugas>has it ever been?
08:21<@Belugas>what did it said the last time you've tried?
08:22<@Belugas>when was the last time you did try?
08:22<Ammler>Belugas: now$
08:23<@Belugas>that is one answer
08:24<Ammler>still the same answer, needs planespeed etc.
08:24<@Belugas>ho... another question : which version of ottd?
08:24<@peter1138>the bit flag isn't set
08:24<Ammler>I thought, something like this is in the trunk now (r9861)
08:24<@peter1138>because we don't have a planespeed option yet
08:24<@peter1138>so
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08:24<@peter1138>when someone writes a fully functioning planespeed patch...
08:25<Ammler>someone should tell them ot remove the bold text on the homepage
08:25<@peter1138>who on what?
08:26<Ammler>New version 1.5.3 Available, now fully compatible with Open TTD! (http://www.as-st.com/ttd/planes/)
08:26<@peter1138>just use av8, it's better anyway :p
08:26<Ammler>hehe, thats not the point
08:28<Ammler>Does av8 have the same types of planes?
08:28<@Belugas>Ammler : 1.5.3
08:28<@Belugas>(October 24, 2006)
08:29<@Belugas>Maedhros enforced the error detection on loading grf
08:29<@Belugas>so at that time, it was compatible
08:29<@Belugas>because it didn't noticed the error
08:29<@Belugas>i think
08:29<Ammler>yeah, I just thought you did something last time for that...
08:30<@Belugas>me?
08:30<@Belugas>no...
08:30<@Belugas>far from it
08:30<Ammler>mostly peter1138
08:30<@Belugas>i'm concentrating on other sides of OTTD as we speak...
08:36<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r9862 /trunk/src/stdafx.h: -Fix (9842): strgen's error() does return in contrast to OTTD's error().
08:39<@Belugas>well... not AS WE SPEAK, since i don't speak, but i type... And furthermore, i'm working... so not really OTTD.
08:39[~]Belugas shuts up
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08:46<@peter1138>YEAH
08:46<@peter1138>i did it
08:48<@Belugas>OMG!!! you did it! yahoo!!!
08:48<@Belugas>hem...
08:48<@Belugas>wht?
08:49<@peter1138>i made it
08:49<@peter1138>a mug of tea :D
08:50<@Belugas>somehow, i feared something like that :S
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09:00<@peter1138>feared?
09:00<@peter1138>what's to fear about tea?
09:02<@Belugas>the answer of the "What" question not being a new wonderfull patch :P
09:03<@peter1138>oh, i've plenty of them
09:03<@peter1138>mostly for ancient revisions
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10:04<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r9863 /branches/0.5/ (thread.c unix.c):
10:04<CIA-1>OpenTTD: [0.5] -Backport from trunk (r9759, r9861):
10:04<CIA-1>OpenTTD: - Feature: Add threading support for MorphOS (r9759)
10:04<CIA-1>OpenTTD: - Fix: Null pointer dereference under MorphOS and AmigaOS (r9861)
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10:22<tokai|mdlx>question.. in openttd windows you have close gadget on left side and another gadget on right side in the window titlebar. what is this gadget good for? looks like a needle thingy.
10:23<hylje>it makes the window survive
10:23<tokai|mdlx>ok, found out.
10:23<hylje>when you depress delete
10:23<tokai|mdlx>right click brings help
10:23<@peter1138>it's a pin
10:23<@peter1138>it pins the window
10:24<tokai|mdlx>Do ppl play openttd a lot with keybord? i use mostly mouse for things (except for input fields, like chat etc.)
10:25<tokai|mdlx>+a
10:25<@peter1138>i guess most people use both
10:25<@peter1138>i can't play without using the shortcut keys...
10:25<hylje>mouse for everything apart from terraforming toggles
10:27<tokai|mdlx>faster airplains fly directly through slower airplans in airport waiting queues. looks funny:)
10:28<hylje>:o
10:31<tokai|mdlx>there are also some blitbugs in the buildings when airplane flies over them
10:33<tokai|mdlx>http://tokai.binaryriot.org/blitbugs.png
10:46<@peter1138>building road/rail & terraforming is way easier with hotkeys
10:47<@peter1138>tokai|mdlx: fast aeroplanes have always gone directly through slower aeroplanes
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12:00<Wolf01>hello
12:06<@Belugas>hello :)
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12:21<Wolf01>!seen maedhros
12:21<_42_>Wolf01, Maedhros (~jc@host86-133-71-162.range86-133.btcentralplus.com) was last seen quitting #openttd.notice 6 days 22 hours 2 minutes ago (10.05. 19:19) stating "Quit: leaving" after spending 3 hours 25 minutes there.
12:22<Wolf01>really so much time ago? :O
12:30<+glx>yes exams
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12:41<Wolf01>for adjoin stations, what is better: 1) start to drag over a station tile to extend selecting that station; 2) normal behaviour but a gui to select which station you want to extend between the ones you adjoin
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13:04<kaan>how come trunk head doesnt compile?
13:06<+glx>kaan: known :)
13:06<kaan>oki, just though id mention it ;)
13:07<@Rubidium>we're always notified when the nightlies fail to compile ;)
13:13<ln->http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/gallery/2007/may/10/1?picture=329825171
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13:30<dihedral>games i host have been crashing lately
13:34<@peter1138>shame
13:35<@Rubidium>dihedral: 0.5.1 I guess?
13:37<@peter1138>i guess it's in r6500
13:40<dihedral>Rubidium: yes
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13:42<dihedral>but i have not a clue what is causing this crash
13:42<dihedral>it is not always the same game that crashes
13:42<@Rubidium>we do
13:43<@Rubidium>and you do when you read the changelog of 0.5.2-RC1
13:43<dihedral>no way... its out?
13:43<dihedral>flippen heck
13:43<dihedral>it is
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13:45<dihedral>sugar
13:45<dihedral>but
13:46<dihedral>no one was playing at the time it crashed
13:46<dihedral>in fact no one had been playing a few hours before it crashed
13:47<dihedral>cannot have 0 players << what's that supposed to mean?
13:47<dihedral>because the server is counted??
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13:49<dihedral>quote from tt-forums:
13:49<dihedral>It's a bugfix release so no new features except one (very) small thing that might be useful for server administrators (showing whether a game is protected in the "players" console command).
13:49<dihedral>thanks :-)
13:53<@Rubidium>dihedral: "Fix: Only non dedicated servers cannot have 0 players" <- double negation can be so much fun ;)
13:53<hylje>:o
13:53<hylje>double positive?! yeah right
13:54<@Rubidium>only dedicated servers can have 0 players
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13:55<@peter1138>hmm, asus p5k3, iP35, s775...
13:55<@peter1138>£435...
13:55<dihedral>i read on instead of non :-)
13:56<dihedral>so what could have caused the crash
13:56<@peter1138>your mum
13:56<@peter1138>my boss
13:56<@peter1138>gordon brown
13:56<Wolf01>or me
13:56<@Rubidium>divine intervention
13:57<dihedral>a divine size 9 boot up the rear is what you guys need :-)
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13:59<hylje>bovine intervention
14:00<dihedral>my bad - there were playerws
14:00<dihedral>was looking at the wrong stats
14:01<dihedral>*players
14:01<Wolf01>"Free Source Code Browser is a software application that allows you to view the source code of any webpage as you browse the internet." lol
14:02<dihedral>lol
14:04<dihedral>goto http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxmac/ click on "Buy Now" on the left hand side
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14:04<dihedral>enter 0.001 for quantitiy
14:05<dihedral>and update the purchase form :-)
14:06<Wolf01>lol
14:07<dihedral>you want to order some licenses?
14:07<@peter1138>negative numbers often work well
14:08<dihedral>then think of me when you do so :-)
14:08<dihedral>yeah - but the system is set out charge your account with money, not to book some into your account
14:10<dihedral>in addition: CodeWeavers software is available for download,
14:10<dihedral>so you do that purchase order and you can download a copy :-)
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14:25<UndernotBuilder>if PBS was removed from trunk, why the buggy AI don't?
14:27<@peter1138>nobody cares about the ai
14:27<UndernotBuilder>0.5.2RC1? I didn't look at that!
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14:28<@Rubidium>UndernotBuilder: because the AI doesn't crash your trains for unknown reasons
14:28<UndernotBuilder>I see more annonying the AI than PBS
14:28<Wolf01>these crashes are features
14:28<Wolf01>call them disasters
14:29<dihedral>lol - it's not a but - it's a feature ;-)
14:29<Wolf01>human errors :D
14:29<dihedral>*bug
14:29<UndernotBuilder>I never saw an crash caused by a well placed PBS junction
14:29<@peter1138>and i did
14:29<Wolf01>i did too
14:30<@Rubidium>I didn't see a crash caused by a well placed PBS junctions, but I've seen crashed trains at my well placed PBS junctions when I wasn't even building in the neighbourhood
14:30<Wolf01>just don't build a bridge over a reserved path or remove/add signals in reseerved paths
14:31<dihedral>btw: when do you guys intend to include bridges over anything
14:31<dihedral>... i have the distinct feeling that i have once before asked this... just cannot really remember
14:31<@Rubidium>into what?
14:31<dihedral>hehe - the stable releases
14:31<@Rubidium>read the wiki about releases and what goes into them
14:32<dihedral>sure will
14:32<dihedral>thanks for pointing that out :-)
14:32<UndernotBuilder>what happened to Darkveter?
14:32<UndernotBuilder>Darkvater*
14:32<Brianetta>Real life
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14:42<skidd13>Did someone use bazaar-ng?
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14:46<@Belugas>not me
14:46<@Belugas>but I love The Grand Bazaar!
14:47<CIA-1>OpenTTD: glx * r9864 /branches/0.5/os/win32/installer/ (install.nsi notice.ini): [0.5] -Codechange (win32): Remove references to MSLU and hide UNICODE notice for win9x users in installer
14:47<skidd13>I want to setup a vcs
14:48<skidd13>and I didn't want to copy all revs from svn.openttd.org
14:49<peterbrett>It is alleged that TrueLight has a git mirror working
14:49<@Rubidium>just 'mirror' the svn repository
14:49<peterbrett>I just don't know how to get to it
14:50<@Rubidium>try the obvious first ;)
14:51<skidd13>you mean "bzr mirror"?
14:52<@Rubidium>rather svn-mirror ;)
14:52<@Rubidium>but don't know whether that's going to work as expected
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15:01<CIA-1>OpenTTD: glx * r9865 /trunk/src/stdafx.h: -Fix (r9862): NOT_REACHED() and error() declarations are needed for strgen
15:06<dihedral>oh - hello Belugas
15:09<dihedral>svnsync?
15:12<@Belugas>hello dihedral
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15:20<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r9866 /trunk/src/ (economy.cpp industry.h table/build_industry.h): -Codechange: remove the technical one-input-cargo-creates-one-output-cargo limit in the factories, sawmills, steelmills and the ones I'm forgetting to mention right now. Use of this functionality will come later.
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15:38<Phazorx>Rubidium: what's that for?
15:39<Wolf01>newindustries!
15:39<@Belugas>:(
15:39<@Belugas>spoiler
15:39<@Belugas>good guess, Wolf01 :D
15:41<Wolf01>it cannot be for track laying, so it has to be for newindustries
15:42<@Belugas>indeed :)
15:43<@Belugas>well... time to go home
15:43<@Belugas>have a good evenin/night guys
15:44<Wolf01>nini
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16:02[~]dihedral will crawl into bed
16:02<dihedral>does anybody want to tuck me in?
16:02<dihedral>:-D
16:03<dihedral>:-P
16:03<dihedral>just kidding
16:03<dihedral>good night guys
16:03<Wolf01>night
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16:04<Phazorx></dihedral fetish>
16:07<Sacro>!calc 2^64
16:07<_42_>Sacro: 18446744073709551616;
16:07<Sacro>hmm
16:07<Sacro>thats big
16:10<maddy_>lol
16:12<@Rubidium>!calc 64!
16:12<_42_>Rubidium: (standard_in) 2: parse error;
16:12<@Rubidium>stupid calculator doesn't even understand it :(
16:12<+glx>@calc 64!
16:12<@DorpsGek>glx: Error: unexpected EOF while parsing (line 1)
16:13<+glx>both bots are stupid :)
16:13<Wolf01>try writing it all
16:13<Wolf01>64*63*...
16:13<+glx>@calc fact(64)
16:13<@DorpsGek>glx: Error: 'fact' is not a defined function.
16:13<Touqen>@calc fac(64)
16:13<@DorpsGek>Touqen: Error: 'fac' is not a defined function.
16:13<Touqen>@calc factorial(64)
16:13<@DorpsGek>Touqen: Error: 'factorial' is not a defined function.
16:13<Touqen>weak
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16:17<@peter1138>@calc !64
16:17<@DorpsGek>peter1138: Error: invalid syntax (line 1)
16:17<@peter1138>@calc 64!
16:17<@DorpsGek>peter1138: Error: unexpected EOF while parsing (line 1)
16:17<@peter1138>oh, too slow :p
16:18<kaan>So where do you huys think would be a good place to document BuildOTTD in the wiki?
16:18<kaan>*guys
16:18<Progman>on "BuildOTTD" itself
16:19<kaan>and what section would you put that in then?
16:19<Progman>section as categories in mediawiki?
16:19<kaan>ok, you lost me there
16:20<@Rubidium>Development:BuildOTTD ?
16:21<kaan>yes, that would be nice, but development main page has 6 subsections
16:21<Progman>http://wiki.openttd.com/index.php/BuildOTTD
16:21<Progman>just use this ;)
16:21<kaan>i could take misc
16:21<@Rubidium>I'd put it between the other compilers
16:22<@Rubidium>on the development page
16:22<kaan>ok, ill look at that then
16:22<kaan>well better get started :)
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17:10<Wolf01>'night
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17:54<Lednard>hi
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19:34<CIA-1>OpenTTD: belugas * r9867 /trunk/src/ (8 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: Remove data duplication. The exact same values can be found in the industry spec, so take it from there instead.
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