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---Logopened Sat Jul 21 00:00:25 2007
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02:33<Wolf01>hello
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02:36<Desolator>hi
02:37<Desolator>I need some advice
02:39<Phazorx>dont eat yellow snow
02:39<Desolator>lol
02:39<Desolator>I want to make a back-up of the old revision, provided that my updater is in the folder in Open's folder
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02:40<Desolator>how should I do it? copy everything except the updater's folder to the temp folder and zip those up, or make a rather complex function to ecumerate each file & folder, add them except the updater's
02:41<Desolator>*ecumerate
02:41<Desolator>damn *enumerate
02:42<Wolf01>i'm wondering if richk67 after newgrfairports and newports will want to work at eyecandy objects, i think the step is little to be able to place usefull things with my and Frostregen patch instead of eyecandy only, like houses and why not, monuments which accept tourists when newindustries is finished :)
02:43<Desolator>wolf, got a minute?
02:44<Wolf01>yes
02:44<Desolator>look above
02:45<Wolf01>uhm, i'm not sure of what you need
02:46<Desolator>I want to back-up the whole openttd build, with all it's folders and files, which is one level up of my updater (basically the updater sits in a folder in open's folder)
02:47<Wolf01>i had the same problem with one of my friends which wanted to uninstall his own software without deleting the user conf files and custom directories created with the time
02:47<Desolator>so of course I want to skip the updater's folder. I have two choices: copy everything to the temp folder, delete the updater folder and zip what's left, or make a complex function that will skip it and save space and time
02:48<Wolf01>can you use relative paths?
02:48<Wolf01>i mean "..\openttd"
02:48<Desolator>yes, to some extent, but I can simulate them anyway
02:48<Wolf01>or ../openttd to make linux user happy
02:49<Desolator>I tried like that and the compiler didn't convert them to abosule paths lol ('tis for windows)
02:49<Wolf01>the problem is that you don't know how the ottd folder is called?
02:49<Desolator>I know the absolute path to it
02:49<Desolator>so yeah, I know how it's called
02:50<Wolf01>you can't just skip the folder named "updater" when copying?
02:51<Desolator>the problem is which way should I go? enumerate all fodlers and files in the open's fodler, ad them all to the list except the updater folder, or simply copy the whole thing to temp, delete the updater and zip the rest up
02:51<Desolator>*add them all
02:51<Noldo>is this just a onetime thing?
02:52<Desolator>it'll be activated with the "-b" command-line swtich
02:52<Noldo>of which command?
02:52<Desolator>and done before the downloaded zip file containing the lastest revision is extracted
02:53<Desolator>Noldo: what do you mean?
02:53<Noldo>the updater?
02:54<Desolator>I still don't understand, but the command is command-line, eg: C:\My Very Long and Spacy Folder Name\OpenTTD Nightly\Updater zomg updater\OpenTTD Updater.exe -b
02:55<Noldo>why is the updater inside the openttd folder in the firstplace?
02:55<Desolator>because the user might want so...
02:55<Desolator>nothing prevents him from not installing there
02:57<Desolator>gtg cya in 30 mins
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03:01<Wolf01>i think he can use a command line zip tool and ADD the files to an archive after a directory listing and skipping the folder named updater... at least, i'll have done so... or i'll have done by moving the updater folder outside the ottd folder
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04:07<Nickman>hi all
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07:40<CIA-1>OpenTTD: KUDr * r10645 /trunk/src/misc/countedobj.cpp: -Fix (r10644): file contents seems to be 3x there
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07:57<McTw1st>Good morning OTTD ;D
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08:05<Gekko[PDA]>Sacro: I'm good.
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08:45<CIA-1>OpenTTD: KUDr * r10646 /trunk/src/ (misc/autoptr.hpp station_cmd.cpp):
08:45<CIA-1>OpenTTD: -Cleanup: AutoPtrT<>::Release() renamed to Detach()
08:45<CIA-1>OpenTTD: -better describes what it does
08:45<CIA-1>OpenTTD: -was inconsistent with CCountedPtr<>::Release()
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09:01<CIA-1>OpenTTD: KUDr * r10647 /trunk/src/misc/autoptr.hpp: -Fix: AutoPtrT::operator =() didn't delete old object
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09:07<Desolator>yo
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09:07<Guest896>O.o
09:07<Guest896>hmm
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09:10<Rippsy>deso, you used scripts?
09:10<Desolator>what scripts?
09:10<Desolator>what for?
09:10<Rippsy>/scripts/on_server_connect im using at mo, im just wondering what other things i can use to trigger a script, im busy (slowlY) trawling src code for them
09:11<Rippsy>Thats the only one I can find in the network server
09:11<Desolator>no idea on them
09:11<Rippsy>fair enuff
09:11<Rippsy>im wondering which variables i can use in it :)
09:12<Desolator>ask a dev
09:12<Rippsy>I will :)
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09:15<Desolator>when I'll get my new PC I'll start an OpenTTD Nightly server
09:15<Rippsy>why not just use mine :P
09:15<Desolator>and I'll ask for your script if it's finished by then (about 2-3 weeks)
09:15<Rippsy>:)
09:16<Rippsy>At mo its just global on join spam
09:16<Desolator>lol
09:16<Gekko[PDA]>Desolator: too much Red Alert 2 for you :P
09:16<Desolator>when I get home in 2 days I'll try to help you
09:16<McTw1st>Desolator buy mine ;)
09:16<McTw1st>{L}âUghîñ Ôut £òU{Ð}
09:16<Rippsy>I want to make it save the game when a client joins a current company, or makes a new one (with a UID so its identifiable) and instead of spamming the whole server on join, just wisper that client
09:16<Desolator>Gekko[PDA]: neah, haven't played RA2 nor Y's R for about 2 months
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09:16<Desolator>I completed both of them and i'm bored
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09:17<Gekko[PDA]>I was playing Mooman's mod today
09:17<Gekko[PDA]>stealth crap
09:17<Gekko[PDA]>and gates
09:17<McTw1st>anyone know any good MMORPG games out there?
09:17<McTw1st>thats free to play
09:17<Rippsy>Genre?
09:17<Gekko[PDA]>UO.
09:17<Desolator>Mu
09:17<Rippsy>urm..
09:17<McTw1st>UO <3
09:17<Gekko[PDA]>:)
09:17<Desolator>mu online >.>
09:17<Desolator>but has crappy graphics
09:18<McTw1st>muo isnt rly my game
09:18<Desolator>of course it isn't, you didn't make it nor bought it :P
09:18<McTw1st>were u guys from?
09:18<McTw1st>{L}âUghîñ Ôut £òU{Ð}
09:18<McTw1st>correct
09:18<McTw1st>:P
09:18<Gekko[PDA]>Australia
09:18<Desolator>i'd tell you if you get that damn lol outta here
09:19[~]McTw1st is Swedish ^_^
09:19<McTw1st>i know :P its the damn script
09:19<McTw1st>sorry bout that
09:19<McTw1st>its on ha ha aswell
09:19<Desolator>kill the script
09:19<McTw1st>or il just tyoe LoL
09:19<McTw1st>:P
09:19[~]Desolator is fro Romania
09:20<Desolator>*from
09:20<Gekko[PDA]>damn Swedes.
09:20<McTw1st>ha ha
09:20<McTw1st>xD
09:20<McTw1st>just becous u want a hot swedish blonde ;)
09:20<Gekko[PDA]>no
09:21<McTw1st>:O
09:21<McTw1st>:)
09:21<Gekko[PDA]>i want a smart german brunette.
09:21<McTw1st>ha ha fair enough ;)
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09:26<McTw1st>im thinking of installig linux on my hdd is there anyway to keep my other drivers intact and with everything on it and still beeing able to access it from linux?
09:27<Desolator>as long as you got a partition to waste, yes
09:28<Prof_Frink>McTw1st: Yes, most modern distros will allow you to shrink other partitions and boot from either
09:28<McTw1st>i got 4hdd's and im just gonna "toast" the windows partition
09:31<McTw1st>maybe i shuld install *cough* os x *cough* allthou that would be illegal :P
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09:36<Desolator>Ubuntu
09:36<Desolator>ask for a cd and wait
09:36<Desolator>or burn it yourself
09:36<McTw1st>im thinking of openSUSE
09:36<Desolator>...
09:36<McTw1st>what? :P
09:37<Desolator>I don't have good experiences with suse
09:37<Desolator>especially when it fried my old hdd
09:38<McTw1st>then my question comes how old :P
09:39<Desolator>4 years
09:39<McTw1st>becous im running 2x250gb westerndigital chaviar drives 2years old and still fighting :)
09:39<Desolator>mine was a seagate
09:39<McTw1st>des are you sure the hdd just didnt die on u ?
09:40<Desolator>never had problems on running win xp
09:40<McTw1st>ok =) thos i have bad experience with western i got realy good exp with :)
09:40<McTw1st>no u dont notice any problems untill they die
09:40<Desolator>i installed suse and went on to surf the web, but the hd light was on solid and the hdd was making the usual read/write noise
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09:41<McTw1st>topping out my dl speed :)
09:41<Desolator>so I guess suse was doing something really hdd-intesive which fired the poor grandpa
09:41<McTw1st>probobly =)
09:41<Desolator>it simply froze the system
09:41<McTw1st>im just not satisfied with xp lately
09:41<McTw1st>wanna try something new
09:42<McTw1st>perhaps i shuld just dual boot
09:42<McTw1st>put linux on one of my 20gb partitions :)
09:42[~]Prof_Frink still technically dual boots
09:42<Desolator>lost 4 months recoding everything I had there (since on my web site I only had the stable version on my program, instead of the ready-to-hit-beta version
09:42<Prof_Frink>I just haven't used windows since...
09:42<Desolator>mc: that's what I did
09:42<McTw1st>des thats why u shuld have 1 hdd to have windows on and 1 to store everything on
09:43<Desolator>...
09:43<McTw1st>so u got a backup drive
09:43<Prof_Frink>Well, I'm fairly sure it'd try to apply daylight savings time if I tried to use it.
09:43<Desolator>well I had one hdd partition, but the partition didn't helped much, except that all I could recover was the boot.ini file
09:44<McTw1st>i still have 2x250gb westerns and 1 40gb hdd for windows (older than the street outside)
09:44<Desolator>lol
09:44<McTw1st>dont even know the name of it
09:44<McTw1st>god i miss my old 4gb bigfoot :P
09:44<McTw1st>impossoble to kill that drive :P
09:45<Desolator>this pc i'm on has a hdd older than me
09:45<McTw1st>{H}A{H}A{H}A :D
09:45<McTw1st>oh sorry i gotta kill this script
09:46<Desolator>it wasm ade in '92. i was born in '93
09:46<Desolator>*was made
09:46[~]McTw1st is born 86
09:46<Desolator>21?
09:46<McTw1st>god i feel old when you say that
09:46<McTw1st>ye
09:46<Prof_Frink>86? Young'un!
09:47<McTw1st>{H}E{H}E{H}E :p
09:47<Desolator>>.<
09:47<McTw1st>gah stupido script
09:47<McTw1st>its for he he and ha ha,,,, how stupid is that
09:47<Desolator>also check for rolf & lmao ;)
09:47<McTw1st>lets not forget l o l
09:47<McTw1st>{L}aughing {M}y {A}ss {O}ff
09:48<McTw1st>...
09:48<McTw1st>{R}olling {O}n {T}he {F}loor {L}aughing
09:48<McTw1st>god..
09:48<Desolator>lol
09:48<McTw1st>{L}âUghîñ Ôut £òU{Ð}
09:48<McTw1st>{L}âUghîñ Ôut £òU{Ð}
09:48<McTw1st>L O L
09:48<McTw1st>there
09:48<Desolator>l0l
09:48<McTw1st>outsmarted you u dirty little bitch script
09:49<Prof_Frink>You could always just unload the script
09:49<McTw1st>easyer said than done man
09:49<Progman>!revision
09:50<Progman>eeuh, wrong window...
09:50<Prof_Frink>/script unload scriptname.pl
09:50<McTw1st>thats the problem... i dont know the script name l o l
09:50<Sacro>lol
09:50<@peter1138>remove them all
09:51<McTw1st>il just jump in the script editor and delete everything
09:51<McTw1st>probobly will kill irc but oh well
09:51<@peter1138>bonus
09:51<McTw1st>{R}olling {O}n {T}he {F}loor {L}aughing
09:51<McTw1st>-.-
09:51<Desolator>>.<
09:52<McTw1st>ok
09:52<McTw1st>lets see
09:52<McTw1st>{L}âUghîñ Ôut £òU{Ð}
09:52<McTw1st>:|
09:52<Desolator>lmao
09:52<Prof_Frink>Your client is le broken.
09:52<McTw1st>no shit shirlock
09:52<McTw1st>^^
09:53<McTw1st> fun..
09:53<McTw1st>[16:53] -> [Desolator] VERSION I am using my dick
09:53<Desolator>lol
09:53<Desolator>ur client is really broken
09:54<Desolator>just wanted to say that
09:54<McTw1st>^_^
09:55<Desolator>I lick on "info" in the user info window, I see mirc v 6.06 or something for half a sec the old very nice language phrase
09:55[~]McTw1st has activate the Cool 8-Ball!! Type !8ball <YourQuestion> to find out the answer!! ( Only yes/no form questions!) -=[ ]=-
09:55<Desolator>*click
09:55<McTw1st>he he ok
09:55<McTw1st>!8ball are we allowd to do this?
09:55<McTw1st>aw :( dun work for me
09:55<Desolator>!8ball crap
09:55<McTw1st>So... Desolator wants to know the answer to their question. Well here it is:
09:56<Desolator>their? i'm two persons?!
09:56<McTw1st>{L}âUghîñ Ôut £òU{Ð}
09:56<McTw1st>yes and no questions
09:56<Desolator>>.<
09:56<Prof_Frink>-!- McTw1st was kicked from #openttd [No.]
09:56<@peter1138>:o
09:56<@peter1138>please stop that
09:56[~]McTw1st has deactivate the Cool 8-Ball!! Some other time dudes!! -=[ ]=-
09:56<McTw1st>i did :)
09:57[~]McTw1st stands in a corner in shame while openSUSE will be downloaded in 1.4mb/s ^_^
09:57<Rippsy>peter1138 can you put variables in the scripts file, i've been trying but can't figure out which or how
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10:14<McTw1st>zZzZz slow download come on its only 4gig
10:19<Prof_Frink>McTw1st: See, (K)Ubuntu is one CD
10:20<McTw1st>:)
10:20<McTw1st>this is a dvd
10:20<Prof_Frink>exactly
10:23<McTw1st>1mb/s
10:24<McTw1st>my max speed is 15-20Mb/s
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10:27<McTw1st>hestporr lol :P
10:34<@peter1138>bah
10:34<@peter1138>safari ignores my dpi setting, heh
10:34<@peter1138>not to mention the stupid 'brushed metal' look
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10:35<McTw1st>{L}âUghîñ Ôut £òU{Ð}
10:36<McTw1st>oh come on
10:36<McTw1st>l o l peter :P
10:36<McTw1st>iv been thinking of getting a mac just dont know what
10:36<hylje>burning the ubuntu cd took longer than downloading it
10:36<McTw1st>ha ha :D
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10:37<McTw1st>im gonna burn openSUSE dvd >,< in about 20-30min
10:37<hylje>if yer gonna get a mac
10:37<hylje>expect to do stuff the mac way
10:38<hylje>or bail out and install alternatie oses
10:39<Guest821>or just throw the mac away
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10:39<@peter1138>QNX!
10:40<hylje>qnx heh
10:41<hylje>i wish unix didnt fragment standard wise so much
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10:42<Prof_Frink>hylje: But if there weren't so many standards, how would we be sure of conforming to at least one of them?
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10:43<hylje>you got a point there, but i dont have any idea wut
10:49<ln->http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/07/21/1353241
10:50<Caemyr>yeah...:)
10:51<Caemyr>internet is for porn:P
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10:59<McTw1st>mac im thinking of is a macbook pro
10:59<McTw1st>allthou i can just get a normal laptop for the same price ^^
10:59<McTw1st>problems with mac's are that their so damn expencive
11:00<ln->that's not exactly true
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11:04<McTw1st>ln- they are, specialy new ones
11:04<hylje>xpensive yes worth the price yes
11:04<ln->of course there are expensive models too (such as macbook pro), but can you claim that e.g. macbook or mac mini is "damn expensive"?
11:05<McTw1st>well i want something with a umph
11:05<ln->McTw1st: do you mean "new ones" as the opposite of "second hand" or "models that are still sold and have been around for a while"?
11:05<McTw1st>brand new ones since there aint allot of used ones in sweden beeing sold
11:06<ln->McTw1st: what makes the new ones especially expensive then?
11:07<ln->since i'm under the impression that apple basically sets some price for a product when it comes to the market, and usually doesn't alter it until the introduction of the next revision...
11:07<McTw1st>becous they are going for 20k + here
11:08<@peter1138>because
11:08<ln->and that would mean the brand new macs have the best power/price ratio just after the introduction of a new model or revision.
11:08<hylje>2k euro is ok for a pro level lappy
11:08<McTw1st>for 2k euro i can get double the power in a pc >.<
11:08<ln->McTw1st: url?
11:09<McTw1st>2?
11:10<ln->McTw1st: url to a 2k-euro laptop that has double power compared to a macbook pro?
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11:10<@peter1138>you misunderstand
11:10<Phazorx>can rcon pass be set from server console?
11:11<McTw1st>by pc i mean desktop (build ur own)
11:11<@peter1138>2k-euro will get you a pretty decent desktop pc
11:11<McTw1st>exacly
11:12<ln->i see. but that's true for all laptop-desktop comparisons, not only for apple laptop - pc desktop.
11:12<McTw1st>fact is that laptops allways has been the underdog compared to desktops
11:13<McTw1st>whats the worst mac out there? top of the line that is
11:13<McTw1st>c2d e6600?
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11:16<ln->worst? slowest?
11:16<impulze>hi there :D
11:16<McTw1st>no top of the line
11:16<impulze>nightstalker: huhu ;)
11:16<McTw1st>hey impulze
11:16<ln->that must be powermac.
11:16<nightstalker>impulze: hi
11:16<McTw1st>in laptops
11:16<McTw1st>macbook pro right?
11:16<McTw1st>2gig ram=
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11:17<ln->sorry, not powermac but mac pro.
11:17<impulze>anyone able to explain to me how to build those massive junctions and station configurations (e.g. from owen's site) in a map where space is limited?
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11:17<impulze>when i've build such a station configuration it's just 3 blocks to the next station configuration etc.
11:17<impulze>it doesn't look very functional to me :)
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11:19<McTw1st>ln- wich one of thees 2 would u pick
11:19<McTw1st>http://www.macworld.com/news/2006/02/14/pricecomparison2/index.php
11:20<McTw1st>for a gamers view this is
11:20<McTw1st>mac not much games pc much games
11:20<McTw1st>{L}âUghîñ Ôut £òU{Ð}
11:21|-|mode/#openttd [+b *!*dupont@*.1044-1-64736c12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] by peter1138
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11:21<ln->well he's from sweden
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11:26<impulze>heh anyone got any screenshots related to my "problem"? :)
11:27<impulze>any example would be fine
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11:29<impulze_>whoopsi
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11:33<Rippsy>I found a good one, subsidies that end due to an industy closing display the news paper saying "Offer of subsidy expired: Cargo from Industry1 to will now not attract a subsidy." as there is no industry2
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11:38|-|mode/#openttd [-b *!*dupont@*.1044-1-64736c12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] by peter1138
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11:50<Rippsy>that was random peter :)
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12:16<ln->peter1138: does the pilot of a plane sit on the left or right in britain?
12:16<Sacro>ln-: left
12:16<Sacro>co pilot sits on the right
12:16<Sacro>agaik
12:16<Sacro>*afaik
12:18<ln->so no trace of left-side traffic in the cockpit.
12:18<Sacro>err...
12:19<Sacro>i don't think it matters with aircraft
12:19<Sacro>though i think shipping lanes are done on the left
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12:45<Zuu>~2 months since I last looked on my work on configurable keys... and I have not even left a single TODO or anything.. heh ... only thing i got is a IRC log to go on .. :)
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13:05<Digitalfox_Desktop>Can someone help me with some Grf NFO coding??
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13:35<CIA-1>OpenTTD: miham * r10648 /trunk/src/lang/croatian.txt:
13:35<CIA-1>OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2007-07-21 20:34:31
13:35<CIA-1>OpenTTD: croatian - 44 fixed, 143 changed by knovak (187)
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14:10<rav>it's quiet..
14:12<rav>alright, who wants to read a boring, ongoing, long, politicaly engaged blog post I wrote?
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14:19<@TrueBrain>rav: so, you want this channel to become even more quiet with that statement, or what? :)
14:20<rav>can it become more quiet?
14:20<@TrueBrain>@masskick
14:20<rav>I mean, the only one who said anything in an hour was a bot
14:20<@TrueBrain>doh :p
14:20<ln->it could without some "rav" babbling all the time
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14:20<@TrueBrain>that too yes ;)
14:20<rav>I'll just shut up and go hide in a corner
14:21<@TrueBrain>Which corner?
14:21<rav>hmm
14:21<rav>I have quite a few I can choose from
14:21<@TrueBrain>just in case I am bored and want to kick you around
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14:23<rav>if you are bored enough to get here and then kick me around
14:23<rav>you need to get a job :p
14:26<Sacro>http://pc.benwoodward.me.uk/piespy/openttd.png
14:26<Sacro>how pretty
14:27<@TrueBrain>I once modified piespy to work correctly with #openttd, and run it hourly
14:27<@TrueBrain>gave nice results :)
14:28<Sacro>TrueBrain: i've had it running for a while, but it's been very quiet in here
14:28<Sacro>http://pc.benwoodward.me.uk/piespy/tycoon.png is weird though
14:28<@TrueBrain>PieSpy fucks up really fast
14:28<@TrueBrain>so it took me a while to fix some bugs and get a nicer picture
14:28<@TrueBrain>I also rewrote it to PHP I believe
14:28<Sacro>php?
14:28<Sacro>do you still have it?
14:29<@TrueBrain>I remember me doing a rm -rf last time over some dir named that, let me check
14:30<@TrueBrain>hmm, CPieSpy
14:30<@TrueBrain>I wrote it in C :p
14:30<Sacro>oooh nice
14:30<@TrueBrain>yeah, clearly my handwriting :)
14:30<@TrueBrain>hehe, 645 lines long :p
14:30<@TrueBrain>I rewrote a java port of PieSpy to C :p
14:31<@TrueBrain>But it was buggy, I believe
14:31<@TrueBrain>dunno what exactly
14:31[~]TrueBrain sends Sacro the secret SVN url of the repos
14:31<@TrueBrain>last changed: 2006-09
14:31<@TrueBrain>old!! :p
14:33<@peter1138>you are
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14:37<@TrueBrain>I'm not!
14:41<@TrueBrain>rav: now you are quiet
14:42<rav>yes, I know, sry :)
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14:42<rav>gimme one minute :p
14:44<rav>there
14:49<Rippsy>peter1138 how come you kept joining/dropping off my server earlier?
14:49<@peter1138>no idea, probably dodgy wireless
14:49<Rippsy>Its annoying I want a server config which makes it hard to make money, but not impossible to start up
14:49<Rippsy>finding it hard to get right :-/
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15:10<@TrueBrain>lalala
15:10<@orudge>la la to you too
15:10<rav>dompiedom
15:10<@TrueBrain>rav: close, the correct reply is: pompiedom
15:10<@TrueBrain>but I take it ;)
15:11<Sacro>TrueBrain: from behind?
15:11<@TrueBrain>Excuse me?!
15:12<@peter1138>pom te pom
15:12<@TrueBrain>and now, I need a shower
15:12<@TrueBrain>I cut some trees today
15:12<@TrueBrain>makes you really dirty
15:13<@TrueBrain>(now Sacro, is a perfect moment for such comments)
15:13<Sacro>hehe
15:13<Sacro>TrueBrain: trimming your bush eh?
15:13<@TrueBrain>took you long enough
15:13<@TrueBrain>bbl :)
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16:26<Zuu>hmmm
16:32<@TrueBrain>prrrtttt
16:33[~]Sacro holds his nose
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16:34<@TrueBrain>stttt, he is back
16:35<Phazorx>hmm... is there an a way to make server pause when client DLs the map
16:35<Phazorx>i got 512up and while klient DLs - too much happens and clients can not sycn up
16:35<@TrueBrain>pause_on_join, maybe? :p
16:36<+glx>that's after the dl
16:36<@TrueBrain>true :)
16:36<@TrueBrain>but any client should be able to catch up after that, if the map is not 2kx2k :p
16:36<+glx>use smaller maps
16:36<+glx>or get better upload ;)
16:37<Phazorx>TrueBrain: aint working like that
16:37<Phazorx>map is ~1.1M
16:37<Phazorx>takes about 8-12 sek for client to get
16:37<Phazorx>and then
16:37<Phazorx>Client #104 is dropped because it took longer than 500 ticks for him to join
16:37<Phazorx>*** Konowl` has left the game (connection lost)
16:37<@peter1138>hmm, does pause_on_join not pause before the map is downloaded?
16:37<@TrueBrain>peter1138: no, would pause the game a bit too much :)
16:37<@TrueBrain>easy way to DDoS a game: join and download on a REALLY slow rate :p
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16:38<Phazorx>TrueBrain: configurable timer for that would fix the issue
16:38<@TrueBrain>Phazorx: some clients are just too slow to keep up with the game
16:38<Phazorx>well we have controlled environemtn
16:38<@TrueBrain>for example, a 2kx2k map can't be played on all clients
16:38<Phazorx>that's coopers who i am taking about
16:38<@TrueBrain>so it has a timer, it gives 500 ticks to join, which is a lot
16:38<Phazorx>it's 1kx512
16:38<+glx>try increase max_join_time
16:39<Phazorx>glx: syntax ?
16:39<@peter1138>max_join_time n
16:39<Phazorx>how do i see current value
16:39<Phazorx>or it is 500 ?
16:39<+glx>max_join_time without param outputs the current value
16:40<+glx>500 by default
16:40<Phazorx>thanks
16:40<Phazorx>we'll try
16:41<Phazorx>so.. .serevr caches for that many ticks all actions and then syncs the client?
16:41<@TrueBrain>hmm, not really
16:41<@TrueBrain>it starts caching them when a client starts to download the map
16:41<Phazorx>how does it work?
16:41<@TrueBrain>after the client says he is done with map download, it gets 500 ticks to process the commands don in that time
16:42<@TrueBrain>hoping you have pause_on_join
16:42<Phazorx>well yes i meant once DL starts that is a desync point
16:42<@TrueBrain>that isn't too much
16:42<@TrueBrain>but he gets 500 ticks to do just that
16:42<Phazorx>pause on join is on
16:42<@TrueBrain>so, you say12 seconds
16:42<@TrueBrain>@calc 12 * 1000 / 33
16:42<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: 363.636363636
16:42<@TrueBrain>363 ticks to handle in 500 ticks
16:42<@TrueBrain>if a client can't handle that, the CPU is too slow to join the server at all
16:43<+glx>does join_time includes download ?
16:43<@TrueBrain>glx: it shouldn't :)
16:43<@TrueBrain>(and as far as I know, it doesn't)
16:44<Phazorx>Client #106 is dropped because it took longer than 1000 ticks for him to join
16:44<Phazorx>*** Konowl` has left the game (connection lost)
16:44<@TrueBrain>Phazorx: give him 2000000 ticks, he will be kicked
16:44<@TrueBrain>if not directly, then in time
16:44<@TrueBrain>the client is too slow to keep up with the map realtime
16:44<+glx>what is CPU?
16:45<Phazorx>server or client?
16:45<+glx>kicked client
16:46<Zuu>Oh.. something did happen in the channel.. :)
16:46<Phazorx>he's got amd 3800+
16:46<Phazorx>server 2500+
16:46<Phazorx>server got load of ~40%
16:46[~]Zuu is making research in src/settings.cpp and some other intresting files ...
16:47<+glx>then he should be able to join unless his cpu is already overloaded
16:48<Phazorx>hmm... workd 3rd time
16:49<Phazorx>he connected via console
16:49<Phazorx>btw, unrelated Q
16:49<Phazorx>what was the command to reset company?
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16:49<+glx>reset_company
16:49<+glx>list_cmds gives you the list
16:50<Phazorx>thank you much
16:50[~]Zuu likes network and misc settings best. :)
16:51<Zuu>win32 settings are also nice. :p
16:52<Phazorx>can i use max_join_time = 1000 in .cfg?
16:52<+glx>yes
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16:53<Rippsy>I find pause on join works better in most cases
16:54<Rippsy>but that can get annoying
16:54<Phazorx>pause on join is enabled
16:54<Rippsy>And it still drops him!?
16:54<Phazorx>too many players and vehicles
16:54<Rippsy>jeebus, find out when he last fed his hamster powered CPU :)
16:54<Phazorx>he says it's fast
16:54<Phazorx>and looking at server usage - any cpu should be fine
16:54<@TrueBrain>run: 'status'
16:54<Rippsy>is it fast and encoding, while playing, copying burning and watching a film and loading ttd?
16:55<@TrueBrain>and see how many ticks he is behind now :p
16:55<Phazorx>i have 3 year old tbred @2200
16:55<Phazorx>and it is used 40%
16:56<Phazorx>he got 4
16:56<Phazorx>on par with another player for lowest
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16:56<@TrueBrain>funny :p
16:56<Phazorx>worst is 67
16:57<Phazorx>spread is 3-7 now
16:58<Rippsy>is this on a public server
16:59<Phazorx>it is public server for #openttdcoop
16:59<Phazorx>for time being
16:59<Phazorx>but ity is not advertized and you can not get there essentialy unless you are in #openttdcoop channel
17:00<Phazorx>Client #109 name: '0sai' status: 'loading map' frame-lag: 949
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17:00<@TrueBrain>get a bigger upload :p
17:01<Phazorx>or a smaller map
17:01<Phazorx>let's cut trees
17:01<Phazorx>actualy
17:01<Phazorx>that would be nice
17:01<Phazorx>a feature for company for 99% of money
17:01<Phazorx>- cut all trees
17:01<Rippsy>lol
17:02<Phazorx>this map was 20k blank and 350k with trees
17:02<Phazorx>i dont expect ratio to be same but trees definately hurt compression
17:03<Rippsy>can't we just have a setting where they don't grow?
17:03<Phazorx>greenpeace is against that, no
17:04<Rippsy>every two decades a tidal wave which is just strong enough to uproot tree's but not dmg track? ;)
17:05<Zuu>Hmm... the names used for GameOptions variables in .cfg are not defined in source but the names used for patches are.. *Zuu is comfused* Are *they* relying on order???
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17:10<Smoovious>yes
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17:16<Zuu>Not relly suprised.. though
17:18<Wolf01>'night
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17:18<Zuu>Quite a standard behavior in OpenTTD code :)
17:19<@peter1138>what are you talking about?
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17:20<Zuu>I am trying to understand how stuff are stored to the .cfg file.. I found it intresting that patch-strings used in the cfg-file are defined in code but same strings for game options seam to not be in the code.
17:21<Zuu>try grep -r \"autorenew_money\" src
17:21<Zuu>and compare with grep -r \"road_side\" src
17:22<Zuu>The first one returns a hit in settings_gui.cpp while the second one do not return any result.
17:23<Zuu>Not relly important... I still got more to study before I get to a point where I gasp it enougth to do something....
17:24<+glx>SetDParam(3, STR_02E9_DRIVE_ON_LEFT + _opt_ptr->road_side); <-- what's wrong for you in this?
17:25<Zuu>is STR_02E9_DRIVE_ON_LEFT always equal to "road_side" ?
17:25<+glx>settings_gui.cpp:148
17:26<Zuu>Isn't STR_ stuff I18N?
17:26<Zuu>i18n?
17:26<+glx>LEFT + road_side
17:26<+glx>it's a StringID
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17:27<Zuu>And strings are different depending on users language.. Or is there special strings that are not changed depending on user language?
17:28<+glx>StringID don't change, only the text displayed
17:29<Zuu>I think we are talking about different things... I was looking for where the string "road_side" is defined so that it knows how to interpret openttd.cfg. But thanks for your help anyway :)
17:30<Zuu>as in that "autorenew_money" is defined on line 728 in settings_gui.cpp
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17:31<+glx>ha you mean "left|right" ?
17:32<Zuu>no the variable name used in the cfg-file.
17:32<Zuu>In openttd.cfg: "road_side = right"
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17:32<Zuu>The right part of that.
17:33<Zuu>For patches those strings are defined in settings_gui.cpp but I couldn't find the ones for game options :s
17:34<+glx>it's done in make_oneofmany() in settings.cpp
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17:35<+glx>using "left|right" and the value of road_side
17:35<Rippsy>How come when using the replace vehical feature, you can't replace some trains into others -- eg: Desert, 1979 - trying to replace a steam enginer with a diesel and its grayed out (no new grfs installed)
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17:36<Zuu>glx: Okay, i understand in principial now. Though I have not yet tried to fully understand the oneofmany / manyofmany etc. sutff.
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17:36<Rippsy>n/m figured it out
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17:52<Sacro>http://bash.org/?642195
17:56<rav>heh
17:56<rav>:D
17:56<rav>
17:56<rav>sweet17: You look like the Farm Fresh guy lol
17:56<rav>bloodninja: Well, you look like you ATE the Farm Fresh guy….
17:56<rav>bloodninja: Not to mention all the groceries.
17:56<rav>sweet17: Go fuck yourself
17:56<rav>bloodninja: I was going to until I saw that picture
17:56<rav>I love that part
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17:59<+glx>hey it's on wikipedia IIRC
18:00<rav>I've been listening to Depeche Mode all day
18:00<Rippsy>bloodninja is a hero lol
18:00<rav>and now my head feels squishy
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18:39<Rippsy>is there anyway to alter the openttd.cfg file while running a dedicated server with out restarting it? (eg I want to change the economy type from stable to fluctuating)
18:40<+glx>it's a diff setting and they are not modifiable from console
18:41<Rippsy>awf
18:41<Rippsy>are those kept in saves?
18:41<Rippsy>because i just tried to alter it
18:41<Rippsy>and reload the server
18:41<+glx>yes they are in save
18:41<Rippsy>but its gone back to the same
18:41<Rippsy>Hmm
18:41<Rippsy>so if i loaded the save in a single player, altered it
18:41<Rippsy>and resaved it?
18:41<+glx>will work
18:41<Rippsy>good to know
18:41<Rippsy>cheers glx :)
18:42<+glx>but be sure the game is paused :)
18:42<+glx>because AI can do bad things
18:42<Rippsy>lol :D
18:42<Rippsy>Sounds like a plan, oo how about if I loaded it as a multiplayer save but not dedicated?
18:43<+glx>should work too
18:43<Rippsy>Less chance of evil ai abuse :)
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20:39<Rippsy>Interesting .. there is NO way to stop people griefing oneway road
20:40<Rippsy>even if you block it all off with your own signs, and buy out all the town road, disable all entrances from a competitor, he cna just build rail across it and remove all the one way signaling
20:45<Smoovious>http://bash.org/?646735
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22:45<kombi>hi! Anyone got the file: TTD Registry Editor ver 1.3 know where to get it?
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