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---Logopened Sun Aug 05 00:00:44 2007
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02:17<SpComb>hylje: asm?
02:17[~]SpComb 2
02:18<SpComb>I've even played a game of OpenTTD here
02:18<hylje>wii boxing
02:19[~]SpComb tries not to fall asleep
02:20<hylje>take a walk
02:20<hylje>go play itg
02:20<SpComb>I've barely slept 12 hours during the thursday-now period
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02:53<simon444>what did I miss?
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02:57<ThePizzaKing>hmm, That was meant to be /topic
02:58<hylje>hi Welcome
02:59<Gekko>i just got a staple remover stuck in my mouth
02:59<Gekko>and still, I continue to type
03:00<ThePizzaKing>How did you manage that?
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03:06<Purno>does anyone know the sprite offsets for openttd.grf ?
03:06<Gekko>I was bored.
03:06<Gekko>stuck it in backwards
03:06<Gekko>heres my mouth )
03:06<Gekko>the staple remover
03:07<Gekko>you see, it cant get out easily
03:07<Gekko>if i shut my mouth, it will launch down my throat
03:07<Gekko>I think I should calll the hospital lol
03:08<Purno>peter1138 perhaps?
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03:15<Wolf01>anybody here ever compiled and installed libiconv?
03:15<Gekko>I have.
03:17<Wolf01>did you had to copy the compiled files by hand?
03:19<Wolf01>i'm trying to compile glib, which needs libiconv, compiled iconv and installed but he still can't see it
03:20<Gekko>or compile with --prefix=/usr
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03:26<Wolf01>also with configure --with-libiconv=no, like there is written in --help it tries to use it -.-
03:34<@peter1138>i just leave all those libs to package management
03:36<Wolf01>eh... msys does not have a package management
03:37<Wolf01>at least, not like cygwin
03:37<Wolf01>but with cygwin i can't get a working program
03:37<@peter1138>just bite the bullet and install a proper OS alongside windows
03:39<Purno>peter1138 , do you coincidnetally know the sprite offsets for openttd.grf ?
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04:05<simon888>This just in: Australia Defence Force does drugs on youtube
04:05<simon888>or at least that is what the news is telling me
04:06<simon888>the news also told me the Australian Government is going to start a magic filter next week to protect minors from sex predators
04:07<simon888>a misinterpretation of the the Government's plan to offer a free opt-in pornography filter
04:07<simon888>I am starting to hate the news
04:07<simon888>I only realized this stuff they said is all wrong because I am a techie
04:08<simon888>but how much other things which I am a simpleton do they get wrong?
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04:15<simon888>On topic: How do I replace vehicles in the nightly?
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04:21<simon888>peter1138, would you know?
04:31<simon888> has nothing about nighlies
04:32<@peter1138>instead of 'Repalce Vehicles' there's 'Manage List' menu (or something like that)
04:32<@peter1138>on that menu is the Replace Vehicles option
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04:36<Purno>is it me or is there a bug in OpenTTD setting wagon speed limit at 1 km/h randomly?
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04:39<Purno>I got a GRF which works fine in TTDpatch, but in OpenTTD it got wagon speed limits of 1km/h...
04:40<hylje>probably kW issue
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04:42<Purno>ttdpatch got 13mph as max trainspeed but doesn't mention a wagon speed limit in depot menu :/
04:43<hylje>you got the feature enabled?
04:43<Purno>yep, just turned it on
04:43<Purno>could be an issue with GRFMaker too perhaps...
04:44<Purno>MUs seem to work fine though...
04:46<Purno>even the strongest engine runs on 13mph in ttdp :/
04:46<Purno>MUs work fine...
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04:47<Purno>I think I'm gonna post in at the forums...
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04:59<simon444>okay do UFOs steal parts of your train track?
04:59<simon444>or do they just go missing at random?
05:00<rav>they land on the track
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05:00<Prof_Frink>simon444: Next time a UFO lands, watch
05:00<rav>and then the track is bombed by the evil government
05:03<simon444>I have a pile up of 100 trains because of that stupid ufo
05:03<hylje>disable disasters then
05:03<simon444>and I created another 40 because it was quiet
05:04<simon444>I have no problem with UFOs... just would like to know that they bomb tracks so I could fix it when I saw it
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05:49<Ammler>hi, whats the difference between multiplayer LAN and Internet?
05:50<@peter1138>lan probes the network, internet queries the masterserver
05:52<@peter1138>udp broadcast
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05:52<Ammler>so, its less work for the master?
05:52<@peter1138>and the server, and the client
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05:53<@peter1138>and all the other servers you're not interested in
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05:54<Ammler>but MP over vpn wouldn't bring some CPU performance advantage
05:58<simon888>damit another crash
05:58<simon888>what is the link for the changelog?
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06:00<simon888>CIA-1: link
06:05<@peter1138>Ammler: none at all
06:09<rav>Ive been having trouble running a server since yesterday..
06:09<rav>I forward the ports, start the game etc..
06:10<rav>but it just doesnt show up
06:10<Ammler>rav, did you forward TCP and UDP?
06:10<rav>3979 on tcp and on udp
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06:12<simon888>rav, can others connect to it?
06:13<rav>thats the problem
06:13<rav>it wont even show
06:13<rav>you can try though:
06:15<simon888>your ip is not routable or I lost internet connection again
06:16<simon888>any suggestions for this:
06:16<simon888>I need something to join the stations together so they all can accept coal
06:16<Wolf01>i want to do another patch: open depots, so you can see what there is in, this mean: station like depots = i don't have idea from where begin :P
06:17<Ammler>rav, can't ping it
06:17<rav>router ;)
06:17<rav>ping port 3979
06:18<simon888>rav, I can't route to it.
06:18<Wolf01>simon888, remove that piece of station in the middle
06:18<@peter1138>simon888: just remove that bit of station
06:18<simon888>Wolf01, but I need it... so they all can accept coal
06:18<Wolf01>they already accept coal
06:19<Wolf01>they are the same station, and will be the same station also without that piece
06:20<simon888>how do I delete just that bit?
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06:20<simon888>If I bomb it it bombs the WHOLE station
06:20<Wolf01>like when you remove signals
06:20<simon888>oh forgot about that
06:20<simon888>nice idea!
06:21<Ammler>rav, how to ping a special port?
06:21<rav>I think with -w
06:22<Tefad>nmap -P0 -p<yourport> maybe..
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06:22<Ammler>-p0 means without ping or am I wrong?
06:23<Tefad>as ping requires transmission of data
06:23<Tefad>you merely want to see if a box will respond with closed or accept the connection
06:23<simon888>peter1138, you mean magic bulldozer?
06:24[~]peter1138 wonders how feasible a 700x525 modeline is
06:24<Tefad>so it's irrelavant if the box actually pings or not
06:24<@peter1138>simon888: no...
06:24[~]Tefad shrugs
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06:25<simon444>okay the button which turns the track to red is regular bulldoer?
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06:26<Ammler>rav, I scanned your IP, see no open port
06:26<rav>Ill try the *new* access point then
06:26<rav>see if the problem is there
06:27<Ammler>3979/tcp filtered unknown
06:27<Ammler>just try without firwall
06:28<rav>no thanks
06:28<rav>I configured my firewall
06:28<rav>it should let 3979 open
06:28<simon444>because it aint working... says remove station first
06:28<simon444>last thing I got was * Tefad shrugs
06:28<simon444>fuck my internet
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06:29<simon444><simon444> okay the button which turns the track to red is regular bulldoer?
06:29<simon444><simon444> because it aint working... says remove station first
06:29<simon444><simon444> last thing I got was * Tefad shrugs
06:29<simon444><simon444> fuck my internet so unstable today
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06:29<rav>select the station building tool, then select the bulldozer button
06:29<Eddi|zuHause>simon444: not with the track building tool, with the station building tool, and then bulldozer
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06:30<Ammler>rav, if you disable it, you can see, that you configured it wrong
06:31<Ammler>its much easier then to replace the router
06:31<Eddi|zuHause>rav: you have to open for both TCP and UDP
06:31<rav>you got 2 minutes :p
06:31<rav>after that it auto kicks in again
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06:32<rav>and tcp and udp are both open
06:32<Ammler>haven't you NAT?
06:32<simon444>I am a BILLIONAIRE!
06:33<rav>I did
06:33<Ammler>with NAT, a firewall is a littlebit useless
06:33<rav>but Im on wireless since 2 days
06:33<rav>so my access point could be the problem here
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06:34<Ammler>3979/tcp open unknown
06:34<Ammler>check now rav
06:34<Ammler>don't paste here
06:35<rav>theyre NAT'ted :p
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06:35<Tefad>and you just spammed like a crazy person
06:35<Ammler>rav, you can use or something simular for such things
06:35<rav>yea, in my client it just shows as one message
06:36<rav>I forgot pasting creates a new message for every new line :$
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06:59<simon888>I am printing more money than bill gates
07:00<simon888>over a 1000 ton of coal per train
07:00<simon888>2048 blocks
07:00<simon888>40 trains per set
07:00<simon888>8 sets
07:02<ln->haha, peer got him.
07:03<simon888>that is 320 thousand tons of coal per lap
07:04<simon888>my trains do 650km/h
07:07<Eddi|zuHause>oh great, he discovered the stupidity of long straight lines...
07:08<Eddi|zuHause>now if he realised that he could double the money with diagonal lines...
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07:09<simon888>Eddi|zuHause, lol
07:09<simon888>Eddi|zuHause, my map is only 2048x128
07:09<simon888>diagonal is useless for me right now
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07:15<simon888>shit I crossed lines
07:15<simon888>fuck trains are mixed and I didn't group them
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07:17<Gekko[PDA]>simon888: autosaves
07:17<simon888>thank you
07:17<simon888>forgot about them
07:17<simon888>I actually did a manual save just before
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07:27<simon888>Eddi|zuHause, I could quadruple the money by having diagonal and then tunnel back to the right side...
07:27<simon888>nanana I have a bigger penis than you
07:27<Eddi|zuHause>err... that of course won't work
07:28<simon888>why not
07:28<simon888>more blocks
07:28<@peter1138>they're tiles
07:29<@peter1138>and payment is by distance from source to destination, not distance travelled
07:29<simon888>something like that
07:29<simon888>peter1138, oh
07:29<simon888>peter1138, guess you have a bigger penis than everyone...
07:30<@peter1138>of course i do
07:30<@peter1138>what do you think 1138 means
07:30<Gekko[PDA]>he's a shim.
07:30<Gekko[PDA]>you're PIN
07:30<simon888>personal identification number?
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07:44<Chris82>hi :)
07:44<Chris82>I encountered a serious bug with groups/autoreplace ( which even just crashed my network game
07:45<Chris82>I just create a trunk game for re-production of the problem and upload the savegame
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07:50<Chris82>hmmm lol autoreplace doesn't even work with r10791 =/ what's wrong here
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07:51<Chris82>ah ok that was only the money limit
07:59<simon888>what is your last name?
08:00<+glx>IN ;)
08:01<Chris82>simon: glx got it right :p
08:01<Chris82>why do you want to know my last name? :D
08:01<Gekko[PDA]>he's stealing your identity
08:02<Chris82>well then check >
08:06<Chris82>btw... good idea glx
08:06|-|Chris82 changed nick to ChrisIN
08:06<ChrisIN>:D lol
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08:11<simon888>there a chris I want to give something to...
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08:12<ChrisIN>awww do I get a present? :D
08:12<simon888>if you are the right chris
08:13<Gekko[PDA]>just spill the last name
08:13<Gekko[PDA]>and he3 can decide
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08:22<simon888>Gekko[PDA], his last name is IN?
08:23<simon888>or Sacki?
08:23<ChrisIN>my last name is Sackl
08:23<simon888>that is you on the website?
08:23<ChrisIN>IN stands for integrated nightly
08:24<ChrisIN>you mean on the OpenTTD forum? yeah but that pic was taken a few years ago :p
08:28<ChrisIN>btw I think the fix for #1105 I reported earlier is something like adding DecreaseGroupNumVehicle to replaced vehicles
08:29<simon888>ChrisIN, no on that website
08:31<ChrisIN>huh?? that is Sandra Bullock, don't you know her??
08:31<Eddi|zuHause>i think he means the sandra bullock one
08:31<ChrisIN>or what are you talking about?
08:31<ChrisIN>I am the owner of the site if that is the question
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08:39<simon888>who the hell is Sandra?
08:40<simon888>I googled here
08:40<simon888>the first few images suggest she is some playboy doll
08:41<ChrisIN>well your fault when you use Google
08:41<ChrisIN>Google is an ugly, stupid bot machine
08:42<ChrisIN>try Yahoo or Live they at least show some movie/event pics as well
08:42<simon888>so does Google
08:42<simon888>but she is so undressed in her movies... you never know
08:45<ChrisIN>those pics Google showed me in it's search result are from a 10 year old TV magazine photoshoot
08:47<Eddi|zuHause>what, you haven't seen "Speed" or anything?
08:49<Eddi|zuHause>you have a lot to learn, young padawan
08:49<simon888>I think I saw here on quiet a few commercials
08:49<simon888>how do I close all windows but pinned ones?
08:50<Prof_Frink>simon888: delete them
08:51<simon888>del key
08:51<ChrisIN>simon888: she even was in Sydney a while ago
08:51<ChrisIN>she must've been in the news over there
08:52<simon888>ChrisIN, you didn't read my rant about the news above
08:52<ChrisIN>yes ;)
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09:09<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r10792 /trunk/src/strings.cpp: -Fix [FS#1104]: when determining the gender of a string, do not assume that the gender is in the front of the string when there can be case switching code at that location.
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09:40<simon888>ftphyperdart2 or dinger 1000
09:40<simon888>what is so good about the dinger 100 that it costs 4x the amount but only take a extra 45 people
09:41<simon888>and is less reliable
09:41<simon888>ottd isn't real life
09:41<simon888>things are meant to make sense in ottd
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09:41<Noldo>don't use it if it doesn't serve your purposes
09:42<simon888>Noldo, I have billions of dollars the cost doesn't worry me
09:42<simon888>I make a billion per year
09:42<simon888>and am about to double that with the opening of side two...
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09:50<simon888>they pay for themselves I guess
09:50<simon888>already made 15mil from them
09:50<simon888>about 20 of them
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09:55<Noldo>you guess?
09:56<Rubidium>if only there was an IRC client that ignores replies to ignored people too
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09:56<simon888>Noldo, yes... I can't see the exact amount of money they are costing me or profiting me because I am making soo much from all sorts of things
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10:01<Timwi>Is it possible to have computer players in a network game?
10:03<ln->You really want a computer player to ruin the game?
10:03<simon888>computer players are stupid
10:03<simon888>and stupid
10:03<Timwi>Is that a no?
10:04<simon888>no matter how intel you make them they are still stupid
10:04<simon888>Timwi, it is possible
10:04<simon888>Timwi, one of the patches iirc
10:04<ln->I don't know. I just know the computer player is annoying.
10:05<+glx>I think it's possible in NoAI
10:05<Timwi>I've found the option
10:07<Noldo>Rubidium: what do you think, could the CommandCost class contain the expence type information too?
10:09<ChrisIN>hmmm where can I fund a town?
10:10<ChrisIN>no matter which location I choose it always tells me site unsuitable
10:10<+glx>in scenario editor?
10:10<ChrisIN>no in a network game
10:10<+glx>you can't IIRC
10:10<ChrisIN>why is it in the industries to be built then?
10:10<+glx>ask the patch author
10:11<ChrisIN>it's no patch, it's trunk :p
10:11<Prof_Frink>ChrisIN: then
10:11<+glx>you can't fund town in game
10:11<+glx>only in editor
10:11<ChrisIN>errr I was speaking of bank :p
10:11<ChrisIN>I meant I can't build a bank anywhere
10:12<+glx>bank should be on a house, and town must have more than 2000 people
10:12<ChrisIN>grrr it has 1970 :( lol
10:12<ChrisIN>ok then I know what the problem is :D
10:13<Noldo>didn't it give a proper error message?
10:14<ln->if i wanted to create e.g. a big 2k×2k map which consisted of two separate islands, does the editor allow me to do that without a million mouse clicks?
10:14<ChrisIN>no it just said site unsuitable
10:14<ChrisIN>and I thought why why why? it's in the middle of the city
10:15<+glx>ln-: use an heightmap
10:19<Eddi|zuHause>or modify the TGP algorithm ;)
10:20<Eddi|zuHause>afaik the system is prepared to add more generation algorithms
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10:25<ln->another thing; when land is lowered to sea-level andthe sea slowly eats the land, the editor will still happily build new cities on those areas that are about to sink.
10:25<ln->is that funny?
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10:26<Noldo>the buildings stay there when the water catches them?
10:27<ln->no, they are destroyed but the name sign of the town stays there.
10:28<simon888>I was doing some bombing
10:29<simon888>for some weird reason (maybe a bug) the whole city deleted itself
10:30<Noldo>hmm the temporary ignore ended, better make it permanent
10:31<@peter1138>there are no bombs
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10:33<simon888>we must speak different languages
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10:45<ln->the sea should advance a lot quicker in the editor.
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11:02<simon888>Eddi|zuHause, you and your stupid ideas
11:02<Eddi|zuHause>i never have stupid ideas
11:02<simon888>diagonal over 2048 tiles
11:03<simon888>openttd is stuck for over 5min
11:03<Eddi|zuHause>then you did something wrong
11:04<simon888>nah it is still trying to calculate it
11:05<simon888>you must of known there is a leak when doing this
11:05<simon888>and you knew I am foolish
11:07<simon888>look at it... it is dieing
11:07<simon888>woohoo del got me out of it
11:15<simon888>"a fool and his game quickly part"
11:20<Eddi|zuHause>"something wrong" as in "disregarded the warning label about big maps and CPU power"
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11:39<simon888>woohoo first train arrives
11:39<simon888>profit 6mil
11:40<simon888>Eddi|zuHause, how much do your make?
11:41<Eddi|zuHause>i never lowered my style to that kind of stupid niveau...
11:41<Eddi|zuHause>my networks are "realistic"
11:42<Eddi|zuHause>besides, "6mil" means "6000"
11:42<simon888>what does 6000 mean?
11:42<Eddi|zuHause>and the number is totally worthless without giving a currency and an inflation level
11:44<simon888>where do I get the inflation percent?
11:44<Eddi|zuHause>usually, you don't...
11:44<Noldo>Eddi|zuHause: I feel for you man, but just ignore him and we will all find inner peace
11:45<Prof_Frink>simon888: It's affected by the initial interest rate option
11:45<simon888>where do I get that from?
11:46<Prof_Frink>difficulty settings
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11:46<simon888>IIRC 2%
11:47<Eddi|zuHause>basically inflation level is a geometric series over the interest rate and the number of years passed
11:47<simon888>but I got a $500k loan for 3 months then paid it off
11:47<simon888>it has only been 3years
11:48<simon888>I am towing 1500 tons of coal+
11:48<simon888>huge train
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11:51<ln->which probably diverges
11:51<CIA-1>OpenTTD: richk * r10793 /branches/NewGRF_ports/src/newgrf_fsmports.h: [NewGRF_ports] -Fix: When replacing a deleted airport, this assert triggered unnecessarily. Removed.
11:53<CIA-1>OpenTTD: richk * r10794 /branches/NewGRF_ports/src/airport_gui.cpp: [NewGRF_ports] -Fix: Orientation not initialised on re-selection of gui.
11:54<simon888>ln-, nah it is going very well
11:54<CIA-1>OpenTTD: richk * r10795 /branches/NewGRF_ports/src/newgrf.cpp: [NewGRF_ports] -Change: GSF_FSMPORTS now uses separate explicit Case, rather than default fallthrough.
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12:04<simon888>HMage, hi you have your own russian dialup service?
12:05<HMage>nope, it's not dialup, it's broadband internet. they just forgot to change reverse dns. and I have my own hostname because I have a static IP.
12:06<simon888>oh dang... I was going to say I'm peter1138's friend (the guy with the really big penis)... and like if I ever was in Russia and needed dialup if you would lend it out... heh
12:08<CIA-1>OpenTTD: richk * r10796 /branches/NewGRF_ports/bin/data/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [NewGRF_ports] -Feature: rb_airport2.grf now includes Small Airport.
12:08<simon888><simon888> peter1138, guess you have a bigger penis than everyone...
12:08<simon888><peter1138> of course i do
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12:21<Rubidium>evening RichK67
12:21<RichK67>ping dalestan
12:21<DaleStan>RichK67: pong
12:22<RichK67>im trying to sort out station availability by date.... do you have any examples, perhaps using varaction2s and callbacks, that i can look at to adapt?
12:22<Rubidium>RichK67: the orientation in the gui is not set to a value that the airport supports (commuter, select se orientation, select small airport)
12:23<RichK67>Rubidium: svn up
12:23<Rubidium>no changes
12:23<RichK67>ah... sorry - problem in 2 places... solved one... bbiam
12:23<simon888>RichK67, lots of fixes
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12:30<CIA-1>OpenTTD: richk * r10797 /branches/NewGRF_ports/src/airport_gui.cpp: [NewGRF_ports] -Fix: Orientation needed re-initialising when airport selection changed.
12:30<RichK67>Rubidium: svn up
12:31<DaleStan>RichK67: Try sprites 3773, 3772, and 3770 of MB's newstations (v0.44). They set that station as unavailable until the end of 1970 (1920 + 32h).
12:31<RichK67>magnificent... take a bow :)
12:35<RichK67>btw, i tried using nforenum on my .nfo, and it said "unknown nfo file version 7. skipping file"... i was sure i had d/l latest... any idea?
12:36<DaleStan>I think 3.4.5 is the latest, and unless something went very wrong, it supports version 7. Alternatively, decode with -xx, which will generate version 6.
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12:43<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r10798 /trunk/src/ (aircraft.h roadveh.h ship.h train.h vehicle.cpp vehicle.h): -Fix [FS#1105]: virtual functions do not work in destructors :(.
12:47<Digitalfox_Notebook>RichK67: I just compiled the new_ports branch twice with BuildOTTD and it when running open, it always says airports.grf is corrupted and crashes!! The airports.grf has size of 11KB, and has far as i can see there is no reason to be corrupted :\
12:48<Digitalfox_Notebook>The message is "corrupted or not found"
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12:49<Rubidium>that's a (currently) bogus warning
12:49<RichK67>Newports branch is not complete, and ive not MD5'd the changes to airports.grf, since they arent finished yet.... long way to go
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12:49<Digitalfox_Notebook>Yea i know it's not finished :) But what could cause this problem?
12:50<RichK67>ive not calculated the MD5 hash on the changes i made to airports.grf
12:50<Digitalfox_Notebook>ok :(
12:51<Digitalfox_Notebook>And any workaround i can use to test the new features?
12:51<Rubidium>Digitalfox_Notebook: remove opntitle.dat and see whether that works
12:51<Rubidium>furthermore you need to add the airport newgrf
12:52<RichK67>it will still warn, but should work ok
12:52<+glx>else you'll get a crash when trying to build an airport
12:52<RichK67>btw ALL normally built airports are dead in the build... you cant load an old game, you cant save a new one... other than that, its doozy
12:54<Digitalfox_Notebook>Even after moving or erasing the opentile.grf it still crashes :( I'll wait for some more developing :)
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13:28<alexalex>how do i kick someone from server?
13:28<alexalex>ive tried :
13:28<Eley>Hi. Is there a known problem about the intelligence of there computor players? I have a little problem about this, the stupidity is enormus even in hard. There is no difference between easy, normal(?) and hard. They love to fill the map with road and the same with railroad.
13:28<alexalex>rcon <password> kick #123
13:28<alexalex>rcon <password> kick 123
13:28<alexalex>rcon <password> kick name
13:28<alexalex>but its not working
13:28<alexalex>ive also tried IP address\
13:29<alexalex>what am i doing wrong?
13:29<Noldo>Eley: Yes
13:29<Priski>Eley, well that known problem and thats why there are on going developement on new AI
13:30<Prof_Frink>Eley: The only difference in "intelligence" of the AIs is the bonus the recieve for their stations
13:30<alexalex>obviously im using the ciorrent rcon password
13:30<alexalex>but why isnt it worknig?
13:30<alexalex>also, how would i clean a company?
13:32<Eley>Noldo / Priski: Ahh... But I cant remember that they was that stupid in Transport Tycoon. They did build "ok". Is all the code build from ground up in openttd and only graphics the only original code?
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13:33<Prof_Frink>Eley: No, they were that stupid in standard TTD
13:33<Noldo>Eley: TrueBrain might know how it is for AI
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13:34<Eley>Backspace in browser window isnt a good thing. :)
13:35<Wezz6400>it makes you go back to the previous page ;)
13:35<alexalex>how do i kick someone?
13:36<alexalex>its not working with i try with
13:36<alexalex>rcon <password> kick #123 or 123 or name or ip address
13:36<Eley>In old TT (And TTD) the computors did put more then one train at the tracks and the companies was worth more then 1 USD (I have seen one computor that did was worth more then that.)
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13:37<Eddi|zuHause>alexalex: tried 'rcon <pw> "kick <number>"'?
13:37<Eley>Wezz6400: Im sitting in a java IRC thing in the browser. :) backspace = exit
13:37<Wezz6400>Eley yikes
13:37<Prof_Frink>Eley: That's partly because the company value no longer includes the loan
13:37<Eddi|zuHause>Eley: the AI got worse because the game logic changed, and nobody understood the AI to keep it up with the changes
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13:38<Eddi|zuHause>that's why there's going to be a complete rewrite of the AI
13:38<alexalex>how do you clean a company??
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13:39<alexalex>hmmm and how do you list compnays?
13:40<Rubidium>type help
13:40<alexalex>that doesnt liost it
13:41<Rubidium>alexalex: it does
13:41<Rubidium>just with a name you wouldn't expect
13:41<Rubidium>as multiplayer originally was 1 player per company
13:41<alexalex>nope it doesnt show commands
13:42<alexalex>just console help
13:42<Rubidium>have you read it?
13:42<Wezz6400>list_cmds or listcmds or something does doesn't it?
13:43<Rubidium>the same command help says to run to list all commands
13:43<alexalex>ive read it three times over
13:43<alexalex>im blinde
13:44<Eley>OpenTTD... The good thing = a great game The bad thing = Time just disappears. 4-5h isnt a problem to play this game. If you dont have any food at home = play OpenTTD and then go to bed and then eat at work the next morning. :)
13:44<Wezz6400>Eley that's just sick...
13:45<Wezz6400>and true :(
13:46<Eley>I have done that two times this week.
13:46<Eley>Even if the "food store" is 200 meters away.
13:48<Prof_Frink>Eley: You have to learn to phone the pizza place
13:49<Eley>Prof_Frink: "Pizza store" (crappy english) is even closer, 100 meter.
13:49<Eley>I have had a lazy week.
13:49<@peter1138>then they'll be able to deliver quickly :D
13:49<simon888>MY JUICE!
13:50<simon888>glad to see everyone was so panicing they didn't talk till I told them its okay
13:52<Eley>peter1138: Yep, but the quality of them is crappy. But another pizza place is 200 meter away, and the same with burger king but that "food" just taste like crap. Cant even understand that people like that "food".
13:52<Eley>simon888: You where the only op and did remove the mute from the channel?
13:58<Eley>TV time! About Europe over its development over hundreds of millions of years.
13:59<simon888>meh Europe was born in the Middle East
14:00<simon888>stop fucking with it so there might be some history left by the time you come looking for it
14:00<simon888>stop it with your stupid peace talks where the public doesn't agree
14:01<flex_>god bless america!
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14:02<alexalex>simon888: you live in america?
14:03<alexalex>simon888 (
14:03<alexalex>australian ip address
14:03<simon888>austria :P
14:03<simon888>naaa. I live all over the world
14:04<alexalex>nice try
14:04<alexalex>did you know Australia was development by slaves and criminals?
14:04<alexalex>and today, it has one of the lowest IQ's per capita?
14:04<simon888>Hong Kong, Australia, etc.
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14:04<simon888>alexalex, israel has the highest IQ per capita.
14:05<Priski>jews are smart, no denying that
14:05<alexalex>simon888, im not talking about the highest
14:05<alexalex>im talking about the lowest.
14:05<alexalex>the bottom of the barrel
14:06<alexalex>the scum of the planet
14:06<simon888>and it was started by nation divided all over the world.
14:06<alexalex>opps, did i push too far across the line?
14:06<Priski>alexalex, well he is one of them, how the hell would he understand that?
14:06<simon888>Priski, I am not Australian
14:06<simon888>Priski, right now it would be the middle of the night in Australia
14:07<simon888>I am always online during this time slot
14:07<alexalex>simon888, cool where you from?
14:07<simon888>alexalex, MidEast
14:07<alexalex>simon888: and actually its around 5am sydney time atm
14:08<alexalex>simon888: bouncing irc throught a australian connection?
14:08<simon888>no, I am currently in Australia
14:08<@peter1138>mmm latency
14:08<simon888>but going to the other side of the world soon
14:08<simon888>so adjusting my times
14:09<simon888>plus I never adjusted to Australia
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14:34<alexalex>hwo do i list companies? i have someone who ihas disconnected and i need to reset his company
14:34<alexalex>but i cant seem to find which company name he is
14:34<alexalex>sorry company number
14:36<alexalex>i cant reset this company
14:36<alexalex>im typing:
14:37<alexalex>rcon password reset_company 1
14:37<alexalex>ive also tried: rcon password reser_company #1
14:37<alexalex>rcon password 'reset_company 1'
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14:37<alexalex>but its giving me syntax error.... whats the correct syntax?
14:38<alexalex>wtf, im putting in the company number\
14:38<alexalex>why is it not working?
14:38<alexalex>same thing happens when i try and ban this guy
14:38<alexalex>whats the correct syntax?
14:39<+glx><alexalex> rcon password 'reset_company 1' <-- it is the correct syntax IIRC
14:39<@peter1138>mmm, rhubarb crumble
14:39<+glx>maybe use quotes instead
14:40<@peter1138>"mmm, rhubarb crumble"
14:40<alexalex>`it says command or varible not found
14:40<alexalex>im typing:
14:40<alexalex>rcon password 'reset_company #1'
14:41<alexalex>and without the #
14:41<Prof_Frink>peter1138: Why did you abandon us?
14:42<alexalex>can someone please help why isnt this syntax working?
14:42<alexalex>im need to get rid of this guy
14:42<+glx>you have set a rcon password?
14:42<alexalex>yes rcon is fine
14:42<alexalex>syntax is wrong
14:43<alexalex>his ip is
14:43<alexalex>company 1
14:43<alexalex>name player
14:43<alexalex>how do i get rid of him/
14:43<+glx>try with quotes
14:43<Prof_Frink>peter1138! AdminGUI!
14:43<alexalex>glx: the whole command?
14:44<+glx>rcon password "reset_company 1"
14:46<alexalex>that worked
14:46<+glx>help rcon should have tell it :)
14:46<alexalex>maybe a fix on the syntax would be in order, instead of mentioning single quote
14:46<alexalex>it says single quote
14:46<alexalex>not double
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14:46<+glx>it says "Remember to enclose the command in quotes"
14:47<+glx>and quotes are usually double
14:51<Prof_Frink>Well, double quotes are normally double
14:51<Prof_Frink>single quotes are not
14:51<+glx>and quotes without attribute?
14:52<Prof_Frink>And then there's crazy people with their ``foo'' notation
14:52<Prof_Frink>Whichever you feel like at the time
14:56<Wolf01>just one question: is possible to use a file instead of the ram for ottd?
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14:57<+glx>Wolf01: you want to slow down the game?
14:57<Wolf01>i know
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14:57<Wolf01>but if i don't have enough memory?
14:57<+glx>use smaller map
14:57<Prof_Frink>Wolf01: Your OS should handle swapping itself
14:58<Wolf01>i don't know if the nintendo DS can handle swap by itself
14:59<simon888><Myon> alexalex: try to hit enter less often
15:00<Eley>simon888: What did you mean with middle east and piece talk? I was talking about the birth of the land, how the continental plates has moved around, how the salt and coal did make it in to the ground (sea water and enormus forests) for over millions of years. 
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15:02<simon888>Eley, Rice and Gang are having peace talks in between Israel and the Arab enemies. Yet Israel nor its enemies have a standard of disagreement.
15:02<simon888>Such talks in a democracy which will only last 4 years is useless
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15:03<simon888>First get the groups to establish their disagreement before you start trying to make an agreement or else you are only agreeing in between the parties sitting around the table who are surely outnumbered by their respected publics
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15:04<aneb>i'd like to run a openttd server.
15:04<aneb>where do oi start
15:04<Eley>aneb: read the wiki?
15:05<simon888>aneb, click mutliplayer
15:05<simon888>in the main menu
15:05<simon888>or start menu
15:06<aneb>what about a dedicated server without the GUI?
15:06<+glx>openttd -D
15:06<simon888>aneb, what operating system?
15:07<+glx>simon888: doesn't matter
15:07<aneb>simon888: linux
15:07<simon888>glx, just wanted to know... to see the type of exposure the person has...
15:08<aneb>simon888: i said linux
15:08<simon888>aneb, run that command. Before hand you are going to want to set up your settings... see the wiki
15:09<aneb>Do i need to install the game files?
15:09<aneb>i mean ttd game files
15:09<+glx>yes you need TTD files
15:09<aneb>for the server?
15:10<Eley>simon888: Oki. I dont want to go in and discuss that because of the whole situation and how it was created.
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15:11<aneb>glx: as that doesnt really make sense
15:11<+glx>it does if you know the internal of openttd
15:13<aneb>glx: i dont v
15:13<simon888>Eley, I understand. I am just saying there are many views out there not being spoke on the table. Some of these views have a bigger share of the public and in a democratic society talks without such views being represented will lead to no where.
15:15<aneb>which ver do i want?
15:16<aneb>0.5.2 or 0.5.3 rc?
15:16<+glx>your choice ;)
15:16<simon888>or nightly
15:16<simon888>new one should of got built recently
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15:21<simon888>from #debian
15:22<simon888>aneb, what debian version are you using?
15:22<aneb>simon888: i'm using ubuntu
15:23<simon888>next time don't come into debian if your problem is with ubuntu. Ubuntu does some very weird things.
15:23<aneb>simon888: erm, its not ubuntu
15:23<aneb>simon888: i think i'll do an apt-get update to fix, hold
15:24<aneb>simon888: ah:
15:24<simon888>what ubuntu version?
15:24<aneb>simon888: the root of the error was that i interrupted dpkg
15:25<aneb>simon888: i ran that command, but it stops. hmmm.
15:25<simon888>what ubuntu version?
15:25<aneb>simon888: ubuntu 7.04 on the server which i'm sshed into
15:25<simon888>apt-get install openttd
15:26<aneb>what is the -2 version for then i wonder
15:26<aneb>i'll look, i think i saw something related to debian on the news page
15:27<aneb> ah ok
15:27<aneb>so let me get this straight
15:28<aneb>kyle@kyle-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get install openttd
15:28<aneb>E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
15:28<aneb>sudo dpkg --configure -a gives
15:28<aneb>kyle@kyle-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get install openttd
15:28<aneb>E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
15:29<aneb>kyle@kyle-desktop:~$ sudo dpkg --configure -a
15:29<aneb>dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0017' near line 31 package `xfonts-100dpi':
15:29<aneb> EOF after field name `'
15:29<aneb>sry for the flood
15:30<+glx>it's easier to get the source and "./configure && make"
15:30<aneb>simon888: its not ubuntu thats the problem....
15:30<Prof_Frink>aneb: Your system is a tad fooked
15:30<+glx>aneb: AFAIK it works on debian
15:30<aneb>glx: but theres no integration, and i cant install anything w/ apt-get
15:30<simon888>aneb, your system is broken
15:30<Rubidium>then there's something wrong with the xfonts-100dpi installer script, which causes the install process to abort and "locks" it until you've fixed the installer
15:31<simon888>aneb, goto #ubuntu on freenode for help
15:31<Rubidium>or found a way to fix it
15:31<aneb>Rubidium: it probably was me, although thats a certain possibility
15:32<aneb>ok wait
15:32<simon888>aneb, alternatively just download a pre compiled tarball to your home directory and use it from there
15:32<simon888>no need to "install" it
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15:33<aneb>i have a idea. after apt-get update downloads the updates, it runs dpkg. So the problem is in dpkg
15:33<Prof_Frink>...but you really should fix the problem with dpkg anyway
15:33<simon888>aneb, linux doesn't work like that
15:33<simon888>aneb, it isn't simple building blocks
15:33<aneb>simon888: you're wrong
15:33<simon888>its all a mess.
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15:34<Prof_Frink>aneb: Did you use... Automatix?
15:34<aneb>Prof_Frink: no, never have, never will
15:34<Prof_Frink>Damn, that would have been a nice thing to blame the problem on
15:36<aneb>i don't know what the dpkg problem is. i have a error message, but thats it.
15:36<Prof_Frink>I'd go to #ubuntu on freenode and ask
15:36<aneb>and i removed X11, so maybe ... ?
15:37<+glx>hmm openttd package needs X and sdl I think
15:37<aneb>xfonts-100dpi is a X11 package, so maybe there was a partial remove
15:37<aneb>glx: the error message is from dpkg.
15:38<simon888>aneb, get #ubuntu to help you before you break more stuff
15:38<simon888>aneb, the problem can't simply be fixed by apt stuff away and back
15:38<aneb>why should i get them to help me
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15:39<simon888>because they are #ubuntu and we are #openttd
15:39<aneb>simon888: i know. this is a problem with dpkg
15:39<simon888>ubuntu has done funny things with dpkg
15:40<simon888>the problem is with the package
15:40<simon888>not dpkg
15:40<simon888>the package system is not perfect and sometimes breaks
15:40<simon888>it needs manual maintenance
15:41<simon888>not everything can be automated with dpkg and apt
15:41<simon888>they are not AI
15:41<simon888>they are tools that most of the time work
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15:43<aneb>simon888: i don't believe you because when i was removing x11, something happened that corrupted the dpkg file. maybe a reboot... or whatever. i'm getting help now in #ubuntu please drop the topic thank you.
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15:44<simon888>guess I came out too rough
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15:51<Ammler>Hi, we have 11 players on our server, how is that possible?
15:51<+glx>max player is 8
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15:56<simon888>Ammler, some are watching?
15:57<+glx>simon888: but the max client is 10, so having 11 is theorically impossible
15:57<Ammler>:) we had it
15:57<Ammler>not the first time
15:58<simon888>Ammler, base 2?
15:58<+glx>did they join at the same time?
15:58<Ammler>(at #openttdcoop)
15:58<Ammler>but that mean to me, it would be possilbe to rise this limit, wouldn't?
16:01<Ammler>or why does this limit exists?
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16:01<Rubidium>why raise the limit if making it limitless is better?
16:02<Eddi|zuHause>the 10 clients limit is probably purely artificial
16:02<+glx>Eddi|zuHause: as most limits ;)
16:02<Eddi|zuHause>just that nobody had the time to review what comes along with removing it
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16:03<simon888>Eddi|zuHause, you have the time take it
16:14<Eddi|zuHause>you have absolutely no idea about my time
16:15<Rubidium>still talking to simon or whatever he's called?
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16:21<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r10799 /trunk/src/ (15 files): -Fix: only calling QuickFree and not the destructor on pool cleanups might cause memory leaks due to the way C++ works.
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16:36<Progman>as there are a lot of OLD_POOL stuff, will be the pool-system replaced?
16:37<+glx>it will one day
16:37<Progman>where is the new one?
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16:43<Rubidium>not finished yet
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17:07<RichK67>woooooooo.... TACKAS is back :)
17:07<RichK67>(the Artist currently known as Skidd13)
17:08<skidd13>Whats up?
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17:12<skidd13>RichK67: Nice work with the newgrf-ports :) Good to see my runway numbers in action.
17:12<RichK67>yup... and on the small airport too!
17:14[~]skidd13 checks out the current newgrf_port branch
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17:16<Ammler>Rubidium or Eddi|zuHause, could you remove the client limit in one of the next nightly, we (#openttdcoop) will test it then ;)
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17:24<Eddi|zuHause>i think it was simon<random_number>
17:25<simon888>I missed something
17:25<simon888>Eddi|zuHause, its no random number
17:25<Eddi|zuHause>*waves hand* no, you did not
17:25<simon888>444 or 888
17:26<Eddi|zuHause>it's still "Random(2)*444"
17:26<simon888><Ammler> Rubidium or Eddi|zuHause, could you remove the client limit in one of the next nightly, we (#openttdcoop) will test it then ;)
17:26<simon888><Eddi|zuHause> i think it was simon<random_number>
17:26<Eddi|zuHause>hm... i think he has not seen star wars either...
17:26<RichK67>skidd13: yeah, MeusH said it was possible... its cos he used anti-aliasing... little bit of cleanup... nice and easy
17:27<simon888>Eddi|zuHause, only once
17:27<simon888>or twice
17:27<RichK67>these are not the bugs you are looking for ;)
17:27<Eddi|zuHause>simon888: there were some great jokes about this in south park
17:27<simon888>south park?
17:28<Eddi|zuHause>and a cool scene in one of the last episodes of "Andromeda", where Romy waves her hand and says "We are not the droids that you seek."
17:29<Eddi|zuHause>(again, the quote is not literal, but back-translated)
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18:00<Nickman>hi all
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18:07<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r10800 /branches/NewGRF_ports/src/ (5 files): [NewGRF_ports] -Add: saving of FSMblockmaps.
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18:24<Xintron>How do I build one way signals?
18:24<Xintron>nvm :)
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18:44<CIA-1>OpenTTD: glx * r10801 /branches/NewGRF_ports/src/station_cmd.cpp: [NewGRF_ports] -Add: saving of layout_set and orientation
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19:44<CIA-1>OpenTTD: richk * r10802 /branches/NewGRF_ports/ (5 files in 3 dirs):
19:44<CIA-1>OpenTTD: [NewGRF_ports] -Feature: Added availability dates for airports, using callbacks. Gui modified to disable unavailable airports. If no airports available at all, airport placement disabled.
19:44<CIA-1>OpenTTD: Dates:
19:44<CIA-1>OpenTTD: Small airport: 1932-1975 (late early start for testing purposes).
19:44<CIA-1>OpenTTD: Commuter airport: 1971-2175.
20:24<CIA-1>OpenTTD: glx * r10803 /branches/NewGRF_ports/bin/data/ (rb_airport2.grf sprites/rb_airport2.nfo): [NewGRF_ports] -Change: simplified small airport availability callback
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22:10<CIA-1>OpenTTD: richk * r10804 /branches/NewGRF_ports/src/airport_gui.cpp:
22:10<CIA-1>OpenTTD: [NewGRF_ports] -Fix: Gui failed when layouts were not contiguous. eg. 01 and 07
22:10<CIA-1>OpenTTD: Replaced _airport.orientation with _airport.layout_set to aid clarity. Added _airport.direction to store the actual direction. Added search and translation of clicked direction to _airport.layout_set.
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22:18<CIA-1>OpenTTD: richk * r10806 /branches/NewGRF_ports/ (bin/data/airports.grf src/airport_gui.cpp):
22:18<CIA-1>OpenTTD: [NewGRF_ports] -Change: Moved orientation buttons to match height of preview window.
22:18<CIA-1>OpenTTD: Updated airports.grf with skidd13's version of daylight's arrows. Many thanks to both.
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23:15<iratsu>how stable is the AI in multiplayer patch?
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23:28<seiffs>i see :)
23:28<lws1984>you made it
23:29<seiffs>thanx! :)
23:29<lws1984>now there should be someone in here who knows something about the inner workings of OpenTTD
23:29<lws1984>'cause I sure don't
23:29<seiffs>hello, anyone here?
23:30<seiffs>anyone I could ask something?
23:34<lws1984>just out of curiosity, seiffs, what timezone are you in?
23:35<lws1984>and what time is it?
23:35<lws1984>you'll have better luck in the afternoon
23:35<seiffs>I think so
23:35<seiffs>I'm going to work in 5 minutes
23:35<seiffs>what timezones are ppl from here?
23:36<seiffs>all world?
23:36<lws1984>Pretty much.
23:36<seiffs>ok, so I'm leaving... c u maybe later, have a nice day (or night :) )
23:37<lws1984>it's a lovely morning, isn't it.
23:38<lws1984>wel, I'm off to bed
23:38<lws1984>glad you found it, seiffs
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