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01:10<hylje>hmm
01:10<hylje>what statuses could one patch be in? unreviewed, rejected, untested..
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02:08<dihedral>morning
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02:46<simon444>hi
02:46<simon444>peter1138, I'm back
02:53<@peter1138>are you? and do i care?
02:55<Gekkko`>LOL
02:55<Gekkko`>high five peter1138
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02:56<simon444>peter1138, you need to answer my question
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03:06<Rubidium>hylje: lots of them at the same time
03:07<hylje>righto, ill tag them then
03:07<Rubidium>one could've done a coding style review and an "idea" review, but not a proper code review
03:10<hylje>hm the view code is now duplicated a lot, but ill fix that after getting the proto site up
03:11<hylje>data and site structure done, part of logic code done
03:20<alex__>peter1138, are you always angry?
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03:22<Rubidium>alex__: I think it's because of simon<whatever> who might still be annoying (don't know, because my client is ignoring it)
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04:39<Ammler>just realized, half of revisions are made in last year
04:41<TrueBrain>mostly because of the: commit smaller patches, commit more often
04:43<TrueBrain>hylje: as the draft defined, the patch never is in any status... it either have all the checklist items checked, or not
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04:56<Ammler>TrueBrain: is it possible to make a nightly without the client limit?
04:56<Ammler>so we could test if it is really needed...
04:57<Ammler>sometimes, if 2 clients at same time connect, we have 11 cleints without problems
04:59<Ammler>for a "public" test, it is to difficult with patches
04:59<Ammler>+o
05:01<Rubidium>Ammler: remove lines 649-653 and 655-658 in network_server.cpp and try...
05:01<Rubidium>the fact that 11 works is just dumb luck
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05:08<TrueBrain>cool way to create buffer overflows
05:08<TrueBrain>anyway, changing MAX_CLIENTS is most likely much easier :p
05:10<Rubidium>TrueBrain: that does not remove the limit!
05:10<TrueBrain>haha, okay, point :p
05:10<Rubidium>it changes it, which isn't what Ammler asked for
05:10<TrueBrain>your way just results in very funny glitches :)
05:11<TrueBrain>but, you are right, it does 'remove' the limit :p
05:11<Gekko>changing MAX_CLIENTS to it's highest possibly number removes the limit doesn't it?
05:11<Gekko>what is it? 65535?
05:11<Rubidium>Gekko: that's still a limit
05:11<TrueBrain>lol, which means OpenTTD needs.. what.. 4 MiB of RAM more? :)
05:12<Gekko>please no, not 4MiB of ram.
05:12<Gekko>stop.
05:12<Gekko>please.
05:12<Gekko>Although it wouldn't use that RAM unless more people connect, no?
05:13<Rubidium>it would even if you aren't a server!
05:13<Gekko>whyy
05:13<Gekko>wait
05:13<Gekko>tthat can be taken two ways Rubidium
05:13<Gekko>one way is what I mean't.
05:13<Gekko>the other includes single player games
05:13<Rubidium>it always takes RAM when your binary is compiled with network support
05:14<Maedhros>argh
05:14<Maedhros>meant has no apostrophe
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05:14<TrueBrain>darn, Rubidium was faster in typing :)
05:14<Gekko>I can see 100 clients connecting to a 2048x2048 as awesome.
05:14<Gekko>Maedhros: good point.
05:16<Rubidium>which is the reason we do not "just" increase MAX_CLIENT
05:17<Gekko>:S
05:17<Gekko>can't it be set in a config file?
05:17<TrueBrain>nope, compile time thingy
05:17<Gekko>that's not very flexible coding then
05:18<Rubidium>TrueBrain: it can, config.cache
05:18<TrueBrain>also, all clients need to have the same value
05:18<Gekko>why?
05:18<Rubidium>cause they have a list of connected clients
05:18<Gekko>alright gtg now
05:18<Gekko>ttyl.
05:19<Rubidium>read list as: static table
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05:32<simon888>fuck
05:33<simon888>!seen peter1138
05:33<_42_>simon888, if you can't see peter1138 here right now, you probably need new glasses. ^_^
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05:35<Xintron>Hi
05:35<Xintron>WOuld anyone be so kind and try to connect to my game, 91.95.28.15:3979
05:35<Xintron>Need to see if my ports are forwared correctly
05:35<Rubidium>Xintron: is the server shown on servers.openttd.org?
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05:35<Xintron>yes
05:35<Xintron>It should be
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05:36<Rubidium>it should be != yes
05:36<Xintron>Nopåe
05:36<Xintron>It isn't
05:36<simon444>what should be?
05:36<Rubidium>servers.openttd.org will not show servers that it cannot reach, so it performs some "is the portforward setup correctly" checks.
05:37<Xintron>But the ports are open in my router
05:37<Rubidium>you're advertising the server (there's an "advertise" option in the start server window)
05:37<Xintron>yes
05:37<Rubidium>then your portforwarding is not setup correctly
05:38<Xintron>UDP or TCP or both?
05:38<Rubidium>@openttd port
05:38<@DorpsGek>Rubidium: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication and UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advsertise) communication (outbound)
05:38<Xintron>ah
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05:41<Xintron>Does the serverlist update directly when I start my server?
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05:47<Phazorx>Xintron: only if advertise option is set
05:47<simon888>fuck who keeps dropping my connection
05:47<Rubidium>Xintron: it should update within 10-15 seconds IIRC
05:47<hylje>TrueBrain: gotcha
05:48<simon888>it seems to drop every time the neighbors walk threw their kitchen
05:48<Xintron>haha
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05:49<Nickman>hiç all
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05:55<simon888>Xintron, not so funny
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05:56<simon888>must be something wrong with the cabling
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05:58<hylje>TrueBrain: could you elaborate on the checklist categories?
06:01<Xintron>My server doesn't show up :/
06:01<Xintron>The ports are open
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06:03<Xintron>What should I set "connect_to_ip" to?
06:03<Xintron>My ip:3979?
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06:04<Xintron>nvm, got it working now :)
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06:09<Ammler>Rubidium, TrueBrain: was eating, is it now possilbe to change the "hardcoded" limit for a nightly?
06:10<Ammler>so we (#openttdcoop) can make "public" test
06:11<Xintron>hrmm... when the server reaches the end year, what happens?
06:11<Xintron>Restart?
06:11<Ammler>Xintron: no, thats an other setting imo
06:12<Xintron>ah, so it just stops?
06:12<Ammler>end year is just this screen, with ranking
06:12<Xintron>I have to restart myself, like "rcon <password> restart"
06:12<Ammler>I guess, you can set a restart date
06:12<Xintron>How?
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06:13<Ammler>restart_game_year
06:13<Ammler>at section Network
06:13<Xintron>ok :)
06:14<Xintron>hrmm, how does that work?
06:14<Xintron>It's set to 0 now
06:14<Ammler>than is withouth restart
06:14<Ammler>omg, my english...
06:15<Xintron>But if end_date is 2051, what should I set restart_game_year to then?
06:16<Ammler>2052, so you have a year to discuss your ranking
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06:16<Xintron>Nice :)
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06:17<Ammler>but I know noone, who cares about this screen
06:17<Xintron>Well, 1 year could be fine :)
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06:19<RichK67>hi
06:19<Xintron>Hi
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06:23<Ammler>hmm, would it be enough, to just "patch" the server without client-limit?
06:23<Ammler>or does client also care about this limit?
06:23<Ammler>so it would be easy....
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06:29<Maedhros>the client needs to store the player information too, so everyone needs the limit to be raised
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07:05<simon444>ok it isn't just when the neighbors go into their kitchen
07:05<simon444>it is also when they walk in the hall way sometimes
07:05<simon444>worms must be biting the cabling
07:08<hylje>rather shooting at it with bazookas
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07:20<simon444>THE NEW IMAC: http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/8845/imacqj8.jpg
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07:31<Yeats>hello
07:31<Yeats>anyone home?
07:32<hylje>yes
07:32<Yeats>cool
07:32<Yeats>i had an idea
07:33<Yeats>multiple monitor/window support in openttd
07:33<simon444>no
07:33<Yeats>so you could have all the graphs in one window and the map in the otheer one
07:33<Yeats>no?
07:33<Yeats>awww
07:33<Maedhros>ignore him
07:33<Yeats>anyone like the idea?
07:34<Maedhros>well, i've only got one monitor, so i'm pretty indifferent ;)
07:34<Noldo>:)
07:34<Maedhros>i don't know how hard it would be to code for all the different platforms we support, either
07:35<Yeats>hmmmmm
07:35<Yeats>anyone here a coder for openttd?
07:35<Xintron>Dose OpenTTD work on ME?
07:35<simon444>Yeats, yes
07:35<Maedhros>i am
07:35<+glx>Xintron: yes, but you must use the win9x version
07:35<Yeats>do you think it could happen?
07:35<simon444>Yeats, better for the os to provide such features
07:35<Xintron>ok
07:36<Yeats>excuse me?
07:36<simon444>unneeded work for openttd that wont work so well
07:36<Yeats>ok
07:36<Yeats>it would be cool though
07:36<simon444>for the os
07:36<simon444>a mess for openttd
07:36<Yeats>whats the os got to do with it?
07:37<Yeats>a second window with graphs?
07:37<simon444>Yeats, go to the linux mailing list and request them to throw x in the bin
07:37<Yeats>and a normal window
07:37<Yeats>ok
07:37<simon444>Yeats, a lot.
07:37<Xintron>Can I start a dedicated server with different openttd.cfg's?
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07:37<Maedhros>simon444: and what exactly are you going to replace it with?
07:37<+glx>Xintron: yes openttd -c configfile.cfg
07:37<simon444>Maedhros, see the ranting by the unix team
07:38<Xintron>hrmm, so if I want two dedicated servers on the same computer i should run "openttd -D configfile.cfg"?
07:38<simon444>Maedhros, I'm just trolling. Those heros have the real reasons.
07:38<simon444>no
07:38<+glx>openttd -D -c configfile.cfg
07:38<Xintron>ah :)
07:38<Xintron>Thanks
07:38<simon444>openttd -Dc config.
07:38<simon444>^^
07:39<Xintron>If I want to change the server name of a started dedicated server, how do I do that?
07:40<Xintron>rcon <pass> server_name "new name"?
07:47<Xintron>hrmm... some help please?
07:47<Xintron>rcon <pass> "server_name = Test"
07:47<Xintron>that works
07:48<Xintron>but adding a space to the server name doesn't work
07:48<Xintron>rcon <pass> "server_name = Test hey!"
07:48<simon444>hummmmmm
07:48<Xintron>How do I do to change the servername with space in the name?
07:49<+glx>not possible using rcon IIRC
07:49<Xintron>bah :/
07:57<Progman>maybe some weird tricks with \" or '
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07:58<Xintron>I'll try again
07:58<Xintron>Tried one way but that didn't work
07:59<Xintron>Thanks Progman. Worked now. Wonder why it didn't work when I tried :/ Must have missed the ending \" probably
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08:13<Ammller>where can I find a list with available town_name?
08:14<Ammller>something for tropic
08:14<Ammller>I thought spanish, but doesn't work
08:14<+glx>all townnames are available in all languages
08:15<Ammller>town_name = spanish
08:15<Ammller>whats wrong here?
08:15<+glx>no spanish generator :)
08:15<+glx>english|french|german|american|latin|silly|swedish|dutch|finnish|polish|slovakish|norwegian|hungarian|austrian|romanian|czech|swiss|danish|turkish|italian|catalan
08:16<Ammller>so catalan?
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08:16<+glx><+glx> all townnames are available in all languages <-- I meant climate ;)
08:16<+glx>latin or catalan I think
08:17<Ammller>where did you get this list?
08:17<+glx>settings.cpp
08:17<Gekko[PDA]>catalan is low spanish?
08:17<Gekko[PDA]>or frencfh?
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08:17<+glx>catalan is catalan
08:17<simon444>colbert did it!
08:18<Gekko[PDA]>glx: what's castillian then?
08:21<+glx>Castilian == Spanish
08:22<Gekko[PDA]>Google?
08:22<+glx>wikipedia
08:22<Gekko[PDA]>lol.
08:22<Gekko[PDA]>look up Castalin
08:22<Gekko[PDA]>catalin*
08:22<Gekko[PDA]>exerpt where it's spoken in her
08:22<Gekko[PDA]>e
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08:31[~]dihedral slaps Gekko[PDA]
08:31<dihedral>just for the fun of it ^^
08:31<Gekko[PDA]>biiiiitch
08:32<Gekko[PDA]>milkshakes at dawn!
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09:59<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r10818 /branches/NewGRF_ports/src/airport_gui.cpp: [NewGRF_ports] -Codechange: remove the remnants of the old airports from the GUI.
09:59<RichK67>muhahahahaha
10:01<hylje>mwahahah!!11 ..?
10:01<dihedral>??
10:01<hylje>oh well, the patch review mockup is nearly usable
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10:11<TrueBrain>hylje: what do you want to know?
10:12<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r10819 /branches/NewGRF_ports/src/ (airport.cpp airport.h airport_movement.h):
10:12<CIA-1>OpenTTD: [NewGRF_ports] -Codechange: remove a large amount of state machinery of the airports.
10:12<CIA-1>OpenTTD: [NewGRF_ports] -Fix: compilation on gcc.
10:12<CIA-1>OpenTTD: [NewGRF_ports] -Fix: AIs building "old" airports.
10:12<hylje>mostly what the checklist categories are in practise. i'm thinking they are types of fix this?
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10:20<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r10820 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs):
10:20<CIA-1>OpenTTD: -Codechange: make negative currencies red and restore the colour from before the
10:20<CIA-1>OpenTTD: currency was printed; this removes the need to make two strings for printing
10:20<CIA-1>OpenTTD: currencies (one for positive currencies and one for negative currencies).
10:20<CIA-1>OpenTTD: -Fix [FS#998]: do not use green for currencies as it is practically unreadable on CRT monitors.
10:21<Rubidium>crap... FS#1036
10:21<Rubidium>not FS#998
10:21<Rubidium>the person who can solve FS#998 can get a cookie from me ;)
10:23<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r10821 /trunk/src/lang/ (40 files in 2 dirs): -Cleanup: remove the strings that are not needed anymore since r10820.
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10:24<simon444>not enough patches
10:24<simon444>in other news, apple is to start a conference very soon
10:24<Noldo>KUDr: have you checked the regional pathfinder patch for ships, is it any good?
10:29<KUDr_wrk>yes
10:29<KUDr_wrk>seems much better than my
10:30<KUDr_wrk>only it is not finished yet
10:30<KUDr_wrk>(not ready for trunk)
10:32<dihedral>Rubidium: you seem to have quite some discussion going on in FS#998
10:34<Xintron>Can someone explain goods to me? Where can I get goods?
10:34<TrueBrain>in a store
10:34<Xintron>:)=
10:34<Rubidium>at a second tier industry
10:34<Xintron>tier?
10:34<Rubidium>at *some* second tier industries
10:35<+glx>factory, refinery, sawmill
10:35<Xintron>I built a trainstation near a factory but I can't pic up goods from there :/
10:36<+glx>you need to deliver steel, grain and livestock to the factory
10:36<Xintron>ok, that goes for the others as well (wook to sawmill etc)?
10:36<+glx>yes
10:37<+glx>if you click on an industry it tells you what it needs
10:37<Xintron>So, when deliver to a factory, refinery or sawmill they'll return goods?
10:38<+glx>yes
10:38<Xintron>ok, thanks
10:38<Nickman>have you seen the latest post about the 32bpps ite TrueBrain? :)
10:38<TrueBrain>which is exactly?
10:39<Nickman>http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=33496
10:39<Nickman>tha last two posts? :)
10:39<Nickman>they have some usefull info for the guidelines
10:39<TrueBrain>yeah, some useful
10:39<TrueBrain>that I know for the longest time
10:40<TrueBrain>:p
10:41<Nickman>yeah...
10:41<Nickman>maybe you need to be more specific with your demands then? :D
10:43<TrueBrain>some vague guidelines, some 'useful' information doesn't do it
10:43<TrueBrain>I for sure miss things like: light direction, detail level, should images be created in normal zoom, zoom-in 2x, zoom-in 4x, etc etc etc etc etc
10:43<Noldo>is the doxygen stuff available somewhere or should I make my own?
10:43<TrueBrain>http://docs.openttd.org/
10:44<+glx>as said in the topic :)
10:44<Noldo>argh
10:44<TrueBrain>and a good guess whould result in the same page too :)
10:46<Noldo>next time I may be smarter but I'm not making any promises
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10:51<simon444>hi rav
10:51<simon444>rav, are you a Jew?
10:52<simon444>rav is a Jewish name.
10:52<rav>no
10:52<rav>rav is just my nickname
10:52<simon444>oy.
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10:55<simon444>re: the punch to my chin
10:55<simon444>my lower lip is a bit bruised
10:56<TrueBrain>I love my ignore list :)
10:56<simon444>and the bottom of my chin is slightly swollen
10:56<simon444>but other than that I'm okay
10:57<simon444>TrueBrain, I love people faking ignore lists hoping the other person gets the hint. Well get this. I got it.
10:58<hylje>i love gullible people
10:59<valhalla1w>remind me; why is openttd using it's own translation system instead of gettext?
10:59<TrueBrain>because we love it so much :)
11:00<valhalla1w>*grin*
11:00<Maedhros>i'm not sure gettext has some of the features openttd uses anyway (e.g. plurals and genders)
11:00<+glx>or cases
11:00<valhalla1w>it has the features by using two strings :)
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11:01<Maedhros>that doesn't help when your language has different rules for say 1, 11, 12, 13 and 14 ;)
11:01<valhallasw>yeah
11:01<@peter1138>some of openttd's stuff is based on what gettext does, iirc
11:02<simon444>gettext is rather lame... they didn't analyze how other languages work
11:03<+glx>gettext is nice for static strings
11:03<simon444>gettext is nice for what it works for
11:05<valhallasw>hm.
11:05<simon444>http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/07/live-from-apples-summer-mac-product-press-conference/
11:06<simon444>whoops... meant for #moocows
11:07<valhallasw>:D
11:12<TrueBrain>hylje: how is it going?
11:13<hylje>right now integrating user rating
11:14<TrueBrain>show us what you got :p
11:14<hylje>ill take a screenie, theres not much to be used yet
11:14<hylje>apart from user registration, profile management, logins/outs... :p
11:15<TrueBrain>which comes with Django, very good :p
11:15<hylje>ive extended profiles.
11:15<hylje>bloat such as profile images
11:16<TrueBrain>but Django is nice, I should have found it earlier :)
11:16<hylje>:)
11:17<rav>I need some quick webspace for a day or two, with 1 mysql db, can anyone help me out? :$
11:18<rav>nevermind ^ that'
11:18<hylje>TrueBrain: http://hylje.fi/files/ottd/patch-review.png
11:19<hylje>all but rate functional atm, still getting patch submissions before live testing
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11:21<TrueBrain>hylje: nice :)
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11:32<Wolf01>hello
11:33<TrueBrain>hylje: btw, the checklist is rather simple: those 4 catagories needs 2 developers vote each; when adding a comment it can either be a global comment, or one specific for a checklist entry (maybe indicate the amount between () behind it)
11:33<rav>hi
11:33<hylje>ah
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11:33<TrueBrain>we might even consider negative voting
11:33<hylje>lets see then
11:33<TrueBrain>where developers can show they are against something for one of the 4 catagories
11:33<TrueBrain>but about that I am not sure
11:33<hylje>submissions work atm
11:34<TrueBrain>anyway, the idea was: when clicking on the entry as developer, you mark it as okay
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11:41<RichK67>bbl
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11:44<skidd13>What does the grey square in front of a pm stand for?
11:44<TrueBrain>that you will be assimulated
11:45<Wolf01>-as O_O
11:46<Maedhros>skidd13: that you've replied to the message
11:46<Maedhros>there's a legend on the left ;)
11:47<skidd13>TrueBrain: resistance is futile
11:47<skidd13>Maedhros: Damn adblock plus is really to hard configured
11:47<skidd13>Maedhros: Thanks
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11:50<hylje>now to configure the webserver!
11:51<TrueBrain>hylje: how good do you know Django? (toying with it a bit, and the documentation is good, but it misses details from time to time :()
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11:54<hylje>TrueBrain: rather good
11:55<hylje>no way the perfect but i know my way around
11:55<TrueBrain>I want FileField to upload things based on an other field in the class, not on time or what ever
11:55<TrueBrain>is that possible?
11:59<hylje>i dont think its easy to pull off
12:00<hylje>the bad thing about frameworks such as django is that sometimes doing things differently hits the framework limits
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12:01<TrueBrain>hmm, I seem to have found a way: define your own FileField :) :p
12:01<hylje>should work
12:02<hylje>at least django is amazing when it comes to functionality extensions
12:02<TrueBrain>it suprised me how easy they made database modelling
12:02<hylje>there is this reCAPTCHA plug for django
12:02<hylje>i added it to my external libs and poof, it just works
12:03<hylje>just like any newforms field
12:03<TrueBrain>they spend a lot of time on making things plugable yes :p
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12:07[~]SpComb just hacks his way forwards using pylons
12:08<Wezz6400>hmm that django thing looks very nice, maybe I'll enjoy webdevelopment again using that
12:08<Wezz6400>I'll have to learn python first though lol
12:09<TrueBrain>python is much more flexible then php :p
12:09<TrueBrain>so you most likely will ike it
12:10<Wezz6400>well as you may remember I dislike php
12:10<TrueBrain>I wrote my own 'django' based on Prado for PHP.. what a bitch was that....
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12:10<Wezz6400>something like that is worth a lot of money, or a lot of respect from the open source community
12:11<TrueBrain>I just never thought about making parsers to read a models file and create the sql statements according to it :)
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12:17<simon444>NEW IMAC
12:18<simon444>http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/townhall07/appletownhall0712.jpg
12:18<Noldo>now the typo finding
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12:22<hylje>finally
12:22<hylje>http://opr.hylje.fi/
12:22<TrueBrain>it can't connect to api.recaptcha.net :(
12:23<hylje>it cant?
12:23<TrueBrain>I can't
12:23<hylje>i do have a valid key for all of hylje.fi
12:23<TrueBrain>DNS fails
12:23<TrueBrain>no, it doesn't
12:23<TrueBrain>connect fails
12:24<TrueBrain>so it doesn't even try to send anything
12:24<TrueBrain>recaptcha.net in fact totally fails :)
12:24<hylje>ow
12:24<hylje>:D
12:24<hylje>arr, the deployment sweetness of differing environments and last-minute changes hits me
12:24<hylje>registration is broken ;)
12:25<hylje>apart from recaptcha, which appears to work for me
12:25<Wezz6400>hmm, I can reach that url without any problems
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12:25<TrueBrain>it might be a very local problem
12:25<TrueBrain>I don't care, it sucks :)
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12:29<hylje>now at least registering works
12:29<Noldo>so. I can't forward declare enums?
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12:33<Noldo>It's going to make the diff quite a bit uglier if I need to move ExpensesType or CommandCost in openttd.h just to get the later declared when the second is defined :/
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12:34<Rubidium>can't they both be in command.h?
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12:37<Noldo>let's see
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12:40<hylje>opr stuff seems to work now
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12:40<hylje>ditto on recaptcha
12:44<Rubidium>the captcha stuff does not seem to work (or it is horribly slow, > 30 seconds)
12:45<hylje>as it seems i could just disable it, its not like its going to get bots right now
12:48<hylje>its off now
12:49<Noldo>Rubidium: no it didn't quite workout
12:54<Noldo>now this set of dependencies is a bit too much for me
12:54<Hendikins>mmm, 53 seconds to compile openttd. I like.
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13:08<simon444>new imac. new ilife. new apple.
13:09<@peter1138>immac
13:09<@peter1138>new smooth legs
13:09<hylje>you are a c?
13:10<Prof_Frink>peter1138! We miss you...
13:13<simon444>Apple releases numbers
13:14<simon444>lol
13:14<simon444>microsoft office was recently delayed... and apple is slowly making a replacement
13:15<simon444>http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/townhall07/appletownhall07117.jpg
13:15<simon444>looks fucking great
13:15<Hendikins>Nothing I can stand less than Mac zealots.
13:15[~]Prof_Frink prefers the Dell news
13:15<hylje>zealots are funny
13:16<simon444>Hendikins, I am no zealot
13:16<Hendikins>simon444: Didn't say you were.
13:16<simon444>Hendikins, you are. You are up in the middle of the night. Let me guess for what.
13:17<Hendikins>Moderating Whirlpool.
13:17<Hendikins>(That, and attempting to maximise the benefit of using icecream for distributed building jobs, primarily Mozilla)
13:17<hylje>:o
13:20<simon444>yeah right... your either watching the sony conference or the apple conference
13:20<Hendikins>One could also factor in the fact I'm virtually always awake at these hours, as anyone in the "extreme late night thread" in Whirlpool's off-topic section would know.
13:20<simon444>funny how they both have them at the same time
13:22<Hendikins>We do have a few on Whirlpool watching the Mac stuff though.
13:22<simon444>Jason Chen: Q: How is the Mac Mini doing? And are you updating it? A: We are refreshing the Mac Mini and making it even faster. It's already in the online store.
13:23[~]Hendikins is having an occasional glance at http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=793135
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13:23<Tlustoch>Hello.
13:25<eekee>hihi
13:25<hylje>hii
13:32[~]Hendikins does his daily new user witch hunt on WP
13:32<Xintron>How do I load an autosaved game on my dedicated server? rcon <pass> "load <numberofthesavefile>"?
13:34<Noldo>what is the way to add -g to the compile commandlines?
13:41<Phazorx>what isn linux path for common sustem wide GRFs repository?
13:42<Phazorx>/usr/local/shared/openttd ?
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13:43<Noldo> /usr/share/games/openttd/data/ ?
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13:44<Noldo>hi Wolf01
13:44<Wolf01>hi
13:45<simon444>Apple store is dead
13:45<simon444>they put it back up for a few minutes
13:45<simon444>now it is totally dead
13:45<Noldo>simon444: would you belive that the rest of us don't really care
13:46<simon444>err fuck wrong channel
13:46<Prof_Frink>simon444: "On the morning of Steve Jobs’s keynote presentation, the online Apple store grinds to a halt as Mac-heads set their browsers to refresh every 15 seconds."
13:46<Prof_Frink>http://www.misterbg.org/AppleProductCycle/
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13:54<Noldo>Now I need to find the place where the player is given the initial money it has
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14:04<Tlustoch>Can someone tell me if AIRoad::BuildRoad works? I use it and sometimes when there's slope it goes at same level instead of building down.
14:08<Noldo>I need my -g to continue
14:08<Noldo>maybe tomorrow
14:09<ln->a Bjarni has arrived
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14:10<ln->Bjarni: do you know Assembly (the annual demoscene party)?
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15:18<RichK67>hi
15:24<Wolf01>hi
15:27<@Bjarni>ln-: no
15:29<ln->Bjarni: ok, do you know the concept of demos and intros and maybe fitting those in 64 or 4 kilobytes?
15:31<hylje>yay, explaining demoscene to nubs
15:31<ln->Bjarni: anyway, http://mac.scene.org/?q=node/134
15:37<skidd13>hi RichK67: nice work
15:38<@Bjarni>ln-: I'm don't get the idea
15:39<simon444>does openttd run on the new imacs?
15:39<@Bjarni>I never got the idea of writing some small ASM code or some other short unreadable source code
15:39<@Bjarni>simon444: it should
15:39<@Bjarni>I don't see any reason why it would fail
15:39<simon444>I'm going to get the entry model
15:39<@Bjarni>besides user input errors :p
15:39<Prof_Frink>simon444: Nah, you want an Inspiron 6400n
15:40<RichK67>hi skidd13: yeah, im adding a placement mask at the moment to give fine control
15:40<simon444>Bjarni, the beauty of the new iMac might do strange things
15:41<simon444>it is very thin
15:41<TrueBrain>maybe OpenTTD walks out of it!
15:41<ln->Bjarni: isn't it interesting that e.g. this one fits in 64 kB: ftp://ftp.scene.org/pub/parties/2005/assembly05/in64/flt_cheguevara-videocap_by_maali-divx511.avi
15:41<@Bjarni>no, I really can't see any hardware limitations in OpenTTD. It just needs a G3 or newer (universal) and OSX 10.3 or newer
15:41<simon444>Prof_Frink, lol why?
15:41<@Bjarni>didn't test with 10.5 yet though (for really good reasons)
15:41<simon444>it has a new keyboard!
15:41<Prof_Frink>n-series. ubuntuubuntuubuntuubuntuubuntuubuntuubuntuubuntuubuntu.
15:42<@Bjarni>simon444: trust me: it doesn't matter what keyboard you use
15:42<@Bjarni>the same goes for the mouse
15:42<simon444>lol
15:42<CIA-1>OpenTTD: truelight * r10822 /trunk/config.lib: -Fix: OSX makes --endian set to PREPROCESSOR, which wasn't an allowed value, making reconfigures to fail (special commit for Bjarni, now he should fix things too :p)
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15:42<Prof_Frink>Bjarni: Using a keyboard that has a different layout to what you have configured may cause problems
15:42<simon444>Bjarni, but the fn key... is in different places on the wired and wireless
15:43<Prof_Frink>But nothing a little creative xmodmapping can't fix
15:43<Hendikins>mmm, 43 seconds to build openttd :)
15:45<simon444>http://www.engadget.com/gallery/apples-new-imac-and-keyboard-first-hands-on/343548/
15:45<simon444>WOW
15:46<simon444>a cable hole
15:46<simon444>how neat
15:46<simon444>I should get something to neaten my cables
15:47<@Bjarni>simon444: now you remind me of the guy, who wanted to run windows software on mac and he presumed that it would be easy because "the keyboards look similar"
15:47<simon444>lol
15:47<simon444>I am just acting dumb
15:47<simon444>its funny the responses you make
15:48<Prof_Frink>Bjarni: I'm going to wait for the iModelM before getting a Mac
15:48[~]Hendikins bites tongue
15:48<Prof_Frink>A proper keyboard!
15:49<@Bjarni>I don't think you can use his bitten off tongue as a keyboard :/
15:49<skidd13>RichK67: got my forum-pm?
15:51<simon444>LOL
15:51<simon444>Hendikins, don't tell me that is because of me
15:51<@Bjarni>he can't
15:51<Hendikins>simon444: Couldn't possibly be.
15:52<@Bjarni>he bit his tongue off. He can't talk anymore :p
15:52<@Bjarni>hence can't tell anything XD
15:52<Hendikins>I said I bit it, not that I bit it off.
15:52<simon444>lol
15:52<@Bjarni>damn
15:52<@Bjarni>then I have to finish the job
15:53<@Bjarni>you can't even screw up right
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15:54<simon444>rip it out!
15:54<Hendikins>Actually, I was preventing a screwup :P
15:54<simon444>rav, hi. Bjarni is in the middle of ripping out Hendikins' tongue
15:55<@Bjarni>I am?
15:55<Hendikins>Bjarni: By biting my tongue, I stop myself from saying something evil/mean/wicked/nasty
15:55<rav>is that a good thing?
15:55<rav>good point, GO BJARNI :)
15:56<simon444><Hendikins> I said I bit it, not that I bit it off.
15:56[~]Bjarni takes notes: Hendikins bites his tongue when his computer shows adds for porn sites, so he will stop thinking about clicking them
15:56<simon444><Bjarni> then I have to finish the job
15:56<RichK67>skidd13: just got it... yes, im adding slope reaction atm, the previous attempt just automatically added foundations. i may have to find a way to disable that
15:56<simon444>yes you are
15:56<Hendikins>Bjarni: I don't see ads :)
15:56[~]Hendikins pats squidGuard
15:56<@Bjarni>then spam mail
15:56<Hendikins>I don't see spam
15:57[~]Hendikins pats bayesian filter
15:57<RichK67>(just create it) ;)
15:57<simon444>local ads
15:57<rav>I can forward some if you want Hendikins :)
15:57<rav>I get plenty of spam, unfortunatly
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15:57<Hendikins>rav: I get a whole bunch, but the filter takes care of it very nicely.
15:57<@Bjarni>I once got a spam mail that I laughed at for a long while. It was radiation protection pills
15:57<dihedral_>hi
15:58<rav>I got two in my spam box now
15:58[~]Rubidium saw spam when watching the latest Top Gear special edition ;)
15:58<@Bjarni>just take then daily and you are less likely to get ill if a nearly nuclear power plant blows up
15:58[~]dihedral_ wishes he could watch top gear ^^
15:58<simon444>dihedral, hello welcome to the spam channel
15:58<Prof_Frink>dihedral_: You can.
15:58<rav>"Be the most confident man in town" and "did it happen?"
15:58<Prof_Frink>That is what thepiratebay's for.
15:59[~]rav slaps frink
15:59<@Bjarni>I thought thepiratebay was to promote a political party
15:59<rav>torrentz.com is better :P
15:59<@Bjarni>the pirate party
15:59<dihedral_>Prof_Frink: i dont do prated stuff
15:59<rav>I use it for linux downloads only (yea right :P )
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15:59<simon444>I love this channel
15:59|-|dihedral_ changed nick to dihedral
15:59<dihedral>^^
16:00<@Bjarni>I think it's funny how RIAA wanted to shut down the pirate bay and it ended up as a political scandal and a new party was formed in Sweden.... the law protected the server
16:01<@Bjarni>RIAA don't get why though, but that's their problem
16:01<simon444>their pirates
16:01<RichK67>Bjarni: err.... so you dont realise that taking iodine tablets helps prevent the takeup of radioactive iodine??
16:01<RichK67>its serious, and proven
16:02<@Bjarni>RichK67: I know you can do stuff like that, but honestly.... bought from a spam mail
16:03<RichK67>yeah, true.... just another blue pill ;)
16:03<@Bjarni>also the risk of a nuclear accident is rather low considering I'm living in a nuclear free zone
16:03<Prof_Frink>Bjarni: The ones from the spam stop you getting radiation poisoning by killing you first
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16:03<@Bjarni>the nearest plant isn't a decent distance away
16:05<@Bjarni>I know I eat some radiation protecting stuff, but that's mainly because it also protects against malnutrition and some other not so nice disease ;)
16:06<rav>bjarni: the nearest plant could be thousands and thousands kilometers away
16:06<rav>it doesn't really matter
16:06<dihedral>anything getting close to an rc3?
16:07<rav>the radioactive debris from chernobyl reached the US and Japan
16:07<@Bjarni>it depends on how severe the accident is
16:07<@Bjarni>I have a feeling that the thing at Kashiwazaka is pretty local
16:08<rav>yea, I think so too
16:08<rav>I hope so :p
16:08<@Bjarni>:p
16:08<rav>Im way too close to france to be safe
16:08<@Bjarni>actually I don't think it's severe, but it *could* have turned into something nasty, so it's taken really serious
16:08<rav>although we dutchies also have 2 nuclear plants, one research reactor in Putten and one in the technical university of Delft
16:09<@Bjarni>one at a university.... sounds unsafe
16:09<@Bjarni>I mean... students.....
16:09<rav>you've never visited the university have you? :p
16:09<@Bjarni>not that particular one
16:09<@Bjarni>I have never been in NL
16:09<rav>the reactor is pretty well protected
16:10<rav>but ofcourse the risk is still there
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16:11<Rubidium>rav: and Borselle?
16:11<rav>hmm hmm
16:11<Rubidium>and there seem to be two research reactors in Petten (not Putten)
16:11<rav>yea, sry
16:12<rav>Im not 100% up to date
16:12<rav>Borsele is especially weird
16:12<Rubidium>http://www.nrg-nl.com/public/nlfacil/index.html <- what a little googling can do
16:12<rav>it should've been closed a few years ago
16:12<rav>but they extended the contract
16:12<@Bjarni>well, we closed our experimental reactor (it's odd that we even had one considering the political decision to never use nuclear power) and put pressure on Sweden to close the one they placed next to Copenhagen
16:13<rav>well, France has a new first
16:13<@Bjarni>nice going Sweden. They placed one next to Stockholm, then decided that it was too close to their capital in case something happened, so they closed it and built one next to Copenhagen instead
16:13<rav>they're building a nuclear fusion reactor
16:13<@Bjarni>naturally that resulted in some not so friendly remarks from Copenhagen
16:14<rav>lol
16:14<rav>yea, our city is bigger, so w3 h@ve teh p0wer :)
16:14<Rubidium>I guess Denmark will still import radioactive materials for the forseeable future
16:15<rav>well thats the advantage of fusion
16:15<rav>it leaves no waste (or very little)
16:15<Rubidium>rav: still, our current society needs radioactive materials
16:16<rav>yes, but if this technology is developped further, we'll need less of the stuff :)
16:16<rav>which is good imo
16:16<Prof_Frink>rav: The disadvantage, of course, being that it's bloody hard to get out more energy than's needed to keep the reactor running
16:16<rav>yes, you've got to keep the chain reaction going
16:16<@Bjarni>hmm, 450 MW power from nuclear power
16:17<@Bjarni>that's not much
16:17<@Bjarni>you should be able to do without it
16:17<Rubidium>can't do without it already
16:17<@Bjarni>oh, you screwed up your power grid and is running at near max capacity?
16:18<Rubidium>Bjarni: we're importing electricity
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16:18<@Bjarni>hmm, no wind
16:18<@Bjarni>well, nearly no wind
16:18<@Bjarni>only 2 m7s
16:19<@Bjarni>*2 m/s
16:19<rav>DEMO (DEMOnstration Power Plant) is a proposed nuclear fusion power plant that is intended to build upon the expected success of the ITER (originally an acronym for International Thermonuclear Experimental Reactor) nuclear fusion power plant. Whereas ITER's goal is to produce 500 million watts of fusion power for at least 500 seconds, the goal of DEMO will be to produce at least four times that much fusion power on a continual basis. Moreover, whi
16:19<@Bjarni>yet the windmills produce 178 MW right now
16:20<@Bjarni>rav: I knew that... couldn't remember the numbers offhand, but I knew the concept
16:20<rav>I didnt know that :p
16:20<@Bjarni>it looks promising if they actually get it to work
16:20<Rubidium>Bjarni: as in importing 15-20% of our electricity needs
16:20<@Bjarni>that's not good
16:21<Rubidium>and the society needs radioactive materials for (primarily) medical purposes
16:21<@Bjarni>you are famous for old windmills.... how about adding some new ones?
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16:21<ln->Bjarni: have you had time to evaluate my patch?
16:21<@Bjarni>a decent amount of 2-4 MW mills would do wonders
16:21<Rubidium>Bjarni: "kills the birds"
16:22<@Bjarni>oddly enough that's not a problem here
16:23<Rubidium>the only place they want to place the wind mills is at the migration path of nearly any bird (that migrates)
16:23<@Bjarni>in the beginning they painted the ends of the rotor blades red to scare off the birds. They learned that they didn't even have to paint them red to make the birds stay out of the area of movements
16:23<@Bjarni>hmm
16:23<Prof_Frink>Bjarni: We have the problem "Scares the RAF"
16:23<Rubidium>I quoted it for a purpose though
16:24<Prof_Frink>Apparently their radar doesn't like high-speed spinny things
16:24<Rubidium>the RAF still does 30 feet flights?
16:25<Prof_Frink>Well, the pilots would probably take a wind turbine as a challenge
16:25<Prof_Frink>Hit the reheats and fly between the blades
16:25<ln->Bjarni: a lot of endangered birds such as eagles die in windmill blades.
16:25<@Bjarni>high speed spinny things? It's 19-22 RPM
16:26<Prof_Frink>Bjarni: Linear speed, not rotational
16:26<Prof_Frink>Few RPM over a large radius turns out to be fairly quick
16:27<@Bjarni>yeah, the tip moves at a decent speed if it's say 21 RPM and the rotor blades are say 20 meters
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16:28[~]rav declares himself gone to bed
16:29<rav>cya guys ;)
16:29<@Bjarni><ln-> Bjarni: a lot of endangered birds such as eagles die in windmill blades <--- are you sure? We did a lot of research on this issue and the result was that surprisingly few accidents happened, way less than expected
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16:29<TrueBrain>burp
16:30<@Bjarni>bless you
16:30<TrueBrain>tnx :)
16:31<TrueBrain>downside of summer-weather: window open means small flies in your room
16:31<TrueBrain>window closed means HOT HOT HOT HOT
16:32<ln->Bjarni: that's what the news told here some time ago.
16:32<RichK67>ln-: believe everything the news says?? ;)
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16:32<ln->RichK67: i don't see a reason why would they lie on this particular thing.
16:32<@Bjarni>we just had a top reporter, who was taken off the screen for 3 months because he told a lie to the camera "I'm in Iraq" while he was elsewhere
16:33<@Bjarni>don't trust everything they say blindly
16:33<ln->of course not.
16:33<@Bjarni><ln-> RichK67: i don't see a reason why would they lie on this particular thing <-- sometimes the reason is not as obvious as you may think
16:34<ln->so it's all lies.
16:34<@Bjarni>could be
16:34<@Bjarni>Bush isn't real... it's just an invention to scare us and hopefully declare that our own poor government isn't as bad as that
16:35<@Bjarni>or ?
16:35<@Bjarni>you know, whenever the news told about something I knew about, then they had a hard time telling it correctly
16:36<@Bjarni>I read one of the good ones in the newspaper today
16:37<@Bjarni>apparently we just got a new train. At least that is what the newspaper said (they screwed up ownership)
16:38<ln->< ln-> Bjarni: have you had time to evaluate my patch?
16:38<@Bjarni>err
16:39<@Bjarni>in short: I didn't do it
16:41<ln->http://users.utu.fi/lanurm/ottd/default-language-by-locale-osx.diff
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16:46<TrueBrain>yeah, I made a db model in Django for 32bpp stuff :)
16:46<TrueBrain>how cool!
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17:00<Wolf01>'night
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17:14<simon444>yee, who do not put off thousands out for a new iMac is a fool.
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17:15<RichK67>translation?
17:15<skidd13>'night
17:16<RichK67>night skidd13... hope you can do some nice gfx for me :)
17:16<G>RichK67: I think the translation is "There are many idiots in the world and I may or may not be one of them"
17:16<RichK67>lol
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17:32<Eddi|zuHause2>s/may or may not/am
17:33<+glx>missing "be" in sed :)
17:34<Eddi|zuHause2>hm...
17:34<Eddi|zuHause2>yes :)
17:34<Eddi|zuHause2>s/be //
17:34<Prof_Frink>glx: Never mind the missing trailing slash
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17:35<+glx>yeah that too ;)
17:35<Eddi|zuHause2>it's more meant as pseudo-code :)
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17:40<simon444>Will the new Mac Pro run openttd?
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17:43<Eddi|zuHause2>i hereby request drastic measures against you_know_ho_is_meant by any kind of channel operator...
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17:43<TrueBrain>@kick simon444 on request by Eddi|zuHause2
17:43<aneb>on my server...
17:43|-|simon444 kicked [#openttd] DorpsGek [on request by Eddi|zuHause2]
17:44<aneb>there are two companies
17:44<TrueBrain>Eddi|zuHause2: your wish is our command
17:44<Eddi|zuHause2>thank you, but i have a fear that he will come back :)
17:44<aneb>amassing a lot of money
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17:45<simon444>wtf
17:45<aneb>only one is password protected
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17:45<Eddi|zuHause2>aneb: and what is your point?
17:45<simon444>I am some mystical being?
17:46<aneb>should i delete the other, non-password protected, one? because i'm concerned that someone might hack into this company and somehow do a sinister thing to it
17:47<aneb>ok, looks like a no then..
17:48<Eddi|zuHause2>aneb: that is completely up to you
17:48<RichK67_>simon444: notwork failure ...
17:48<Eddi|zuHause2>the fear is certainly valid, often vandals use such companies to lower the complete map to water level etc.
17:49<simon444>TrueBrain is notwork failure?
17:49<simon444>wtf is notwork?
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17:50<RichK67_>notwork is what happens when the network fails.... hence notwork failure.. its a play on words... but heh... lost on some
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17:50<aneb>Eddi|zuHause2: and i don't want that happoening because that is agsainst my three rules - cheating == abuse of server
17:50<aneb>ok, i'll delete the company then.
17:50<Eddi|zuHause2>you don't know "speed", not "star wars", and now not even what a "notwork" is? you are a truely ... unspeakable... being
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17:52<Eddi|zuHause2>aneb: you certainly do not need any of our permission to do that, but i would suggest you write in your server rules/welcome message/whatever that all companies should be password protected
17:52<aneb>Eddi|zuHause2: i was only asking for advice. and by the way, how do i do a welcome msg?
17:53<Prof_Frink>aneb: Or, you could password the company and if the original player returns, tell them the password
17:53<TrueBrain>but how does he return? :)
17:53<+glx>good point :)
17:53<aneb>TrueBrain: thats why
17:53<Prof_Frink>As a spectato
17:54<aneb>Prof_Frink: might not be obvious to them
17:54<Prof_Frink>Which is a potato with poor eyesight.
17:54<aneb>how do i do a welcome msg
17:54<Eddi|zuHause2>aneb: i think there are on_<whatever>.scr files, for primitive welcome messages, or use the autopilot
17:54<simon444>Eddi|zuHause2, you say you have me ignored then at other times you talk to me then you say you have me ignore... you are truly ...unspeakable.... being
17:54<aneb>Eddi|zuHause2: autopilot? what?
17:55<Eddi|zuHause2>aneb: it's in the forum
17:56<Eddi|zuHause2>i DID have you on ignore for a while...
17:57<aneb>Eddi|zuHause2: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=22846 # HERE?
17:57<+glx>yes
17:57<TrueBrain>Eddi|zuHause2: who?
17:57<TrueBrain>(ignore-lists are so cool! :))
17:58<Eddi|zuHause2>he_whose_name_i_don't_dare_to_mention
17:58<TrueBrain>bah, glx, my IRC always marks you as green, but after your rejoin it picked an other color
17:58<TrueBrain>annoying :p
17:58<aneb>glx: it's a expect script. what do i do with it, rename?
17:58<simon444>voldimort
17:59<+glx>aneb: it's just a tcl script
17:59<+glx>using expect package
18:00<Eddi|zuHause2>glx is still green here... must be a coincidence, that "glx|away" got the same colour
18:00<TrueBrain>Eddi|zuHause2: possible..
18:01<+glx>everybody is black here (except special users)
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18:02<+glx>aneb: the creator of autopilot just joined :)
18:02<Progman>"T* OldMemoryPool<T>::Get(uint) const [with T = Vehicle]: Assertion `index < this->GetSize()' failed." :(
18:02<aneb>glx: ah, i understand how it works - output from openttd! DUH
18:03<+glx>Progman: what were you doing when it happened?
18:03<Progman>copy sharing trains
18:04<simon444>hi Brianetta
18:04<aneb>and this autopilot pauses the game when there is no one playing
18:04<aneb>cool.
18:04<aneb>i need to use this
18:05<Progman>reproducible with my savegame \o/
18:05<+glx>nice :) post a bug report :)
18:06<aneb>Brianetta: do i need to stop the openttd server?
18:06<+glx>and attach the savegame
18:06<aneb>Brianetta: before starting autopilot
18:06<+glx>aneb: yes as autopilot will start the server
18:06<aneb>was trying to make sure
18:07<CIA-1>OpenTTD: bjarni * r10823 /trunk/src/ (aircraft_cmd.cpp roadveh_cmd.cpp ship_cmd.cpp train_cmd.cpp): -Fix r8610 [FS#1097]: the autoreplace window vehicle count didn't always update correctly) (Matthias)
18:12<aneb>ok, wait. how do i configure autopilot?
18:13<+glx>read the readme?
18:14<Progman>thats annoying :(
18:15<aneb>i think autopilot is overkill, what's the other wway?
18:15<CIA-1>OpenTTD: richk * r10824 /branches/NewGRF_ports/ (9 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)
18:15<CIA-1>OpenTTD: [NewGRF_ports] -Feature: Added basic code for seaplane airport support.
18:15<CIA-1>OpenTTD: Adds prop23 to the FSM spec, which sets a placement mask. Bit 7 of each byte in
18:15<CIA-1>OpenTTD: mask decides whether the tile must be placed on water. Non-water tiles in mask
18:15<CIA-1>OpenTTD: must be placed on non-water. Thus allowing some of FSMport to be on land, some
18:15<CIA-1>OpenTTD: on water.
18:15<CIA-1>OpenTTD: Airport does not flood, but any aircraft on water at reload of a save will explode!
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18:16<RichK67_>:)
18:16<Eddi|zuHause2>aneb: try the wiki for on_join scripts or something
18:17<Eddi|zuHause2>RichK67_: i take it there is no "this may be on either land or water" case?
18:18<aneb>what does "openttd install" mean?
18:18<Eddi|zuHause2>is there even a water plane grf available?
18:18<aneb>ah nm
18:18<RichK67_>no, i dont think it would be required often... if it is, i'll just use another bit in the mask
18:19<RichK67_>atm, any a/c can use it just as if it were a small airport
18:19<Eddi|zuHause2>i hope that changes in the future :p
18:19<RichK67_>however, there is an experimental flying boat coming... i hope... chicken and egg situation
18:20<RichK67_>he didnt want to finish developing a/c when there was no seaplane airport to land at... now that is solved :)
18:20<RichK67_>pls nobody whinge about the graphics... its a .grf for goodness sake... the graphics are totally redesignable
18:21<Eddi|zuHause2>graphics are the last thing i worry about :p
18:21<aneb>um, can i echo motd to a client in the script
18:21<Eddi|zuHause2>eventually the artists show up to fix stuff
18:21<RichK67_>btw, this shows *why* i have been going to all this length to redo the airports... because the next logical step from here, is seaports for ships :)
18:21<aneb>on_server_connect.scr
18:22<aneb>y/n please
18:22<Eddi|zuHause2>aneb: "say <text>"
18:22<aneb>ah i remember
18:22<@Bjarni>http://uk.gizmodo.com/2007/08/02/oops_iphone_display_needs_to_r.html <-- wtf
18:22<aneb>thanks Eddi|zuHause2
18:22<Eddi|zuHause2>aneb: like you would on the console
18:23<simon444>iphone!
18:23<simon444>Bjarni, lol. that is AT&T...
18:25<Eddi|zuHause2>the most disturbing place where i found a rebooting windows was a banking terminal while it had my card...
18:25<TrueBrain>hehe :)
18:25<@Bjarni>:D
18:25<@Bjarni>owned
18:26<simon444>lol
18:26<TrueBrain>I remember the days where you could get the local street phones to give a BSOD :)
18:26<Eddi|zuHause2>it actually was intelligent enough to release my card when it shut down :p
18:26<+glx>I remember seeing a message box waiting to be clicked in a ticket machine
18:26<TrueBrain>glx: we have that pretty often at our train station :)
18:26<@Bjarni>I can remember when you could make a 7 sec call without paying in the payphones
18:26<TrueBrain>or the DOS message: please remove the FLOPPY disk and press any key to continue
18:26<RichK67_>Eddi|zuHause2: thats the hardware being hardware controlled, not software :)
18:27<@Bjarni>I used it to call somebody and say "call this number"
18:27<RichK67_>where is the ANY key? .... gah!!
18:28<@Bjarni>it would have been fun to see the ATM machine requesting the user to press F1 or something
18:28<simon444>why do people think windows is stupid
18:28<Eddi|zuHause2>because it is!
18:28<simon444>windows is no intelligent
18:28<@Bjarni>"error: no keyboard detected. Press F1 to continue"
18:29<simon444>therefore windows can not be stupid
18:29<+glx>Bjarni: that's BIOS
18:29<simon444>s/no/not
18:29<RichK67_>bad experiences... usually first looks
18:29<@Bjarni>I know
18:29<TrueBrain>or like the old systems: Invalid User. Please Replace User and Press any Key to continue (real error!!)
18:29<@Bjarni>good one
18:29<simon444>windows is not intelligent
18:29<Eddi|zuHause2>Bjarni: actually, the terminal had a keyboard attached, it just lacked function keys and stuff
18:29<simon444>therefore windows can not be stupid
18:30<RichK67_>ppl used to slag off Win95, but I had one daily used (my games/work m/c) Win95 system that was "up" for 3.5 months with a reboot
18:30<@Bjarni>there is a quote on bash.org about a guy, who managed to read all the messages in his bios and when he wondered how it would print the error about no CPU found
18:30<+glx>win95 was stable when you didn't start many things at the same time
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18:30<aneb>the message doesnt echo
18:30<aneb>why?
18:30<ln->or touch it at all, preferably.
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18:31<Eddi|zuHause2>i once had a Win95 beta that would reboot when you clicked the "minimise" button
18:31<+glx>the funny thing with win95 was the network
18:32<+glx>sometimes it didn't even see itself
18:32<@Bjarni>I once saw a win 95 installation that made a BSOD when you clicked start. It turned out to do the same for double clicking "this computer". I declared it dead and ready for a reinstall
18:32<aneb>ping
18:32<RichK67>sometimes its stupid users who blame Windows for their own mistakes... if that drives them to switch o/s then more fool them for wasting money
18:32<aneb>I WROTE A SCRIPT AND IT DOESNT WORK
18:32<aneb>WHY
18:33<@Bjarni>typo?
18:33<ln->aneb: BECAUSE YOU ARE A NOOB AND DON'T KNOW HOW TO WRITE SCRIPTS
18:33<@Bjarni>coding error?
18:33<@Bjarni>user input error?
18:33<@Bjarni>I think it's a user input error
18:33<aneb>http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Running_Startup_Scripts
18:33<RichK67>eg. my dad rang me up "Son, I type in a website address, and it just sits there ... nothing happens". ... took ages of debugging to finally work out he wasnt pressing Enter :)
18:33<Eddi|zuHause2>BECAUSE YOU WROTE ALL CAPS AND THE SYSTEM IS CASE SENSITIVE!!11!einself
18:34<aneb>on_server_connect.scr
18:34<aneb>i wrote that script
18:34<+glx>wher did you place it?
18:35<aneb>put it in /usr/share/games/openttd/scripts
18:35<simon444>lol
18:35<@Bjarni>RichK67: good one
18:35<+glx>[Note for Linux Users] The scripts directory needs to be in the directory of the executable.
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18:35<aneb>glx: whats that mean
18:35<simon444>chmod +x
18:35<@Bjarni>Sacro: you need to press enter to continue
18:35<+glx>where is your openttd executable?
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18:36<aneb>ah
18:36<aneb>kyle@kyle-desktop:~$ whereis openttd
18:36<aneb>openttd: /usr/games/openttd /usr/share/man/man6/openttd.6.gz
18:37<Sacro>Bjarni: orly?
18:37<aneb>glx: so...?
18:38<+glx>so place the script in /usr/games/openttd
18:38<@Bjarni>dammit, Sacro figured out where his enter key is :s
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18:38<@Bjarni>bye?
18:38<+glx>hmm /usr/games/openttd/scripts indeed
18:39<Sacro>Bjarni: yes...
18:39<aneb>glx: i cant cd to that dir bc its not a directory
18:39<+glx>usr/games/openttd is a dir?
18:40<RichK67>gnight
18:40<Sacro>night RichK67
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18:40[~]Bjarni wonders where those scripts should be placed for the OSX port
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18:41<aneb>i think what they are saying on the article is to put the scripts directory in /usr/games since directory of executable == dirname /usr/games/openttd == /iusr/games
18:42<aneb>(ignore the typo)
18:42<Eddi|zuHause2>aneb: the scripts dir must be a subdirectory of the openttd dir
18:42<simon444>I HAVE NO ENTER KEY!
18:43<Eddi|zuHause2>i.e. on the same level as "data" and stuff...
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18:43<aneb>Eddi|zuHause2: read the wiki article. i'm on ubuntu
18:43<+glx>so if you pu scripts in /usr/games it should work
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18:48<aneb>nope doesnt work
18:48<Eddi|zuHause2>you do something wrong.
18:49<aneb>i dont know what that something is
18:49<Eddi|zuHause2>http://www.snitchseeker.com/evile-elite-fan-fic-darers/breaking-out-my-shell-sa9-13088/#post395608 <- muahaha :p
18:50<aneb>Eddi|zuHause2: can u help figure out my prob
18:50<Eddi|zuHause2>aneb: probably not with the current amount of information
18:51<aneb>Eddi|zuHause2: wheat info do you want?
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18:53<Eddi|zuHause2>how about starting with "ls -l `which openttd`" and what exactly you did?
18:54<aneb>kyle@kyle-desktop:~$ ls -l `which openttd`
18:54<aneb>-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1447880 2007-06-09 15:11 /usr/games/openttd
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18:55<aneb>UM, i created a script in /usr/games/scripts/on_server_connect.scr with the content:
18:56<aneb>say Welcome to our server.
18:56<aneb>say Four rules: No abusing the server,
18:56<aneb>say don't violate other user's rights,
18:56<aneb>say set a password on your company before you leave, and
18:56<aneb>say best of all, have fun!
18:56<aneb>say Need the server administrator? E-mail: admin@fswh.ath.cx
18:57<+glx>say may need " enclosing
18:57<Eddi|zuHause2>i'd remove the "before you leave", because vandals can also join when someone is connected
18:57<Eddi|zuHause2>and i'd also try with "."
18:58<aneb>with what, Eddi|zuHause2
18:58<Eddi|zuHause2>err... a . often denotes a placeholder in mathematical notation
18:59<Eddi|zuHause2>e.g. f(.) for a function with 1 parameter
18:59<aneb>oh right, so u mean dbl quotes
18:59<+glx>say "something with spaces"
18:59<Eddi|zuHause2>yes
19:01<Eddi|zuHause2>in mathematics it is especially used with functions that are not denoted by names, e.g. ||.|| for a norm, or <.,.> for a scalar product
19:01<Eddi|zuHause2>without having the need to give a name for the parameter
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19:03<aneb>um, i " "'d the parameters but its still not showing
19:03<Eddi|zuHause2>in Haskell there's a similar construct, when you give _ on the left side of a definition, it means "ignore whatever parameter comes here"
19:03<+glx>say test
19:03<+glx>[Tous] : test
19:03<+glx>say test with space
19:03<+glx>- Chat to your fellow players in a multiplayer game. Usage: 'say "<msg>"'
19:03<+glx>say "test with space"
19:03<+glx>[Tous] : test with space
19:03<+glx>just tried in a dedi server console
19:04<aneb>glx: ^
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19:07<aneb>Eddi|zuHause2: ok...
19:07<aneb>hmm no
19:07<aneb>not it
19:08<Eddi|zuHause2>aneb: wrong permissions for the .scr file?
19:08<Eddi|zuHause2>or the dir?
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19:09<+glx>it may be easier to install openttd in ~/openttd
19:09<TrueBrain>which tool can make a screenshot under KDE?
19:09<+glx>xsomething :)
19:10<+glx>or ksomething
19:10<Eddi|zuHause2>ksnapshot
19:10<TrueBrain>I thought ksnapshot
19:10<TrueBrain>but..
19:10<TrueBrain>hmm
19:10<TrueBrain>maybe just not installed
19:10<TrueBrain>:p
19:10<TrueBrain>tnx Eddi|zuHause2
19:11<TrueBrain>darn, 0211 already..
19:11<TrueBrain>time goes fast when you are having fun
19:11<Eddi|zuHause2>it opens automatically for me if i press the "print" key
19:15<TrueBrain>http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/32bpp_website.png
19:15<TrueBrain>aint it pretty?
19:16<Eddi|zuHause2>wtf @ the heliport... :p
19:23<TrueBrain>am I missing anything?
19:24<Eddi|zuHause2>well, it might be the normal graphics... i don't think i ever used them in TTD... i just find the picture strange...
19:24<TrueBrain>oh, it is toyland
19:24<TrueBrain>and I ment: do you think the website is missing anything? :)
19:24<TrueBrain>hehe
19:25<Eddi|zuHause2>yeah, i think the "flat" tile is not actually flat, but a steep slope...
19:26<TrueBrain>you are right, but that is content
19:26<TrueBrain>I ment design :)
19:26<Eddi|zuHause2>i don't know much about design...
19:26<TrueBrain>look at it
19:26<TrueBrain>think what you would want from a website that shows 32bpp replacement graphics
19:26<TrueBrain>look at it again
19:27<TrueBrain>tell me what you miss
19:27<TrueBrain>:p
19:28<Eddi|zuHause2>a filter mechanism... like "show only my pictures", "show only pictures where i did not upload a picture", "show only pictures with no new picture"
19:28<TrueBrain>k, noted
19:28|-|simon444 [~sim@203-217-53-246.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd
19:29<Eddi|zuHause2>"show new pictures since ## days"
19:29<TrueBrain>but beside filters?
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19:30<Eddi|zuHause2>an "upload picture" button in every row maybe?
19:30<TrueBrain>that will be per image I guess
19:30<TrueBrain>not sure yet, as you might want to do some mass uploading
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19:31<Eddi|zuHause2>yeah, that can be done at a different place...
19:31<Eddi|zuHause2>and maybe some voting system
19:31<aneb>OK...
19:31<TrueBrain>ah, voting
19:31<TrueBrain>that I forgot :)
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19:42<aneb>dang it
19:42<aneb>exec doesnt work.
19:43<aneb>i type rcon <pw> "exec scripts/on_server_connect.scr 0" and it does not echo.
19:44<aneb>at all
19:47<aneb>ok, i tried 1 instead of 0 and it gives me a error
19:47<aneb>that the script file isnt found
19:48[~]Wezz6400 is still away. Reason: blaat - Current time: 02:48. (Since 01:48/August 8th) (Pager: on Log: on)
19:48<aneb>guys
19:48<TrueBrain>@kick Wezz6400 please disable ALL auto-away message blabla in this channel; tnx
19:48|-|Wezz6400 kicked [#openttd] DorpsGek [please disable ALL auto-away message blabla in this channel; tnx]
19:49<aneb>TrueBrain: can you help?
19:49<Eddi|zuHause2>aneb: checked the permissions?
19:50<TrueBrain>aneb: nope
19:50<aneb>Eddi|zuHause2: -rw-r--r-- 1 kyle kyle 264 2007-08-07 20:00 /usr/games/scripts/on_server_connect.scr
19:50<Eddi|zuHause2>and the directory?
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19:50<Wezz6400>hmm sorry about that, configuration error
19:50<TrueBrain>np :)
19:51<aneb>drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2007-08-07 19:24 scripts
19:51<Wezz6400>stupid documentation isn't very clear
19:51<Wezz6400>I figured it would only work on queries, but I guess channels are queries too :X
19:51<TrueBrain>and oh, it gives me a good enjoyment to kick someone from time to time :)
19:52<Wezz6400>lol
19:52<Wezz6400>this is not even the only channel I was kicked from
19:52<TrueBrain>:) I like all those channels which did kick you
19:53<TrueBrain>I should document more what I do on my local computer
19:53<TrueBrain>I can't even find the simplest things back :)
19:54<aneb>Eddi|zuHause2: i gave the permissions.
19:55<TrueBrain>ah, there it is :)
19:55<Eddi|zuHause2>aneb: then i don't know any further either
19:55<Wezz6400>blegh
19:55<Wezz6400>that script is gone now
19:55<Wezz6400>too much crap in there
19:57<Wezz6400>hmm
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19:58<Wezz6400>I'm trying to write/get a script to display users which have set away in a different color, but the only way to do that seems to be to whois every single user, that can't be a good idea :X
19:58<TrueBrain>my client does it automatic :)
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19:58<Wezz6400>yeah I know there are a couple that do that
20:00<Eddi|zuHause2>mine does, too, but i think it does not update the status often enough
20:00<Wezz6400>however running xchat on windows isn't free :\
20:02<Wezz6400>Eddi|zuHause2 what client do you use?
20:02<Eddi|zuHause2>/ctcp version?
20:03<Eddi|zuHause2>but i don't think that will help you any further for windows :p
20:03<Wezz6400>hehe
20:04<Wezz6400>I'm thinking about windows, but working on a game using C# and XNA (not my choice) that means that even then I'll be using windows for quite some time
20:04<Wezz6400>thinking about linux*
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20:13<Eddi|zuHause2>you can run virtual windows :)
20:13<Eddi|zuHause2>(might cause problem with anything running directx though... i'm not sure how far they are with that)
20:14<Wezz6400>hmm well
20:14<Wezz6400>being able to run Visual Studio Express would solve the problem mostly
20:17<TrueBrain>0317
20:17<TrueBrain>hmm
20:18<TrueBrain>I really should get some sleep I guess
20:18<Eddi|zuHause2>some dev once mentioned to use visual studio in virtual windows
20:18<Wezz6400>true
20:18<Eddi|zuHause2>might have been darkvater
20:19<Wezz6400>virtual dx isnt going to work, virtual machines only simulate simple graphics
20:20<Eddi|zuHause2>that might just be a problem of using (writing) the right driver
20:20<Wezz6400>hmm
20:21<Wezz6400>a virtual machine simulates the hardware, you have to write a simulation of dx9 hardware to do that
20:21<Eddi|zuHause2>no, a virtual machine does not simulate anything
20:22<Eddi|zuHause2>it just replaces certain low level commands with higher level ones
20:22<Wezz6400>hmm
20:23<Wezz6400>that makes sense
20:23<Eddi|zuHause2>at that point you can interfere to not replace commands that are meant for the graphics card, just route them through
20:23<Wezz6400>but still, I don think advanced gpus have ever been properly virtualized
20:27<Phazorx>it just replaces certain low level commands with higher level ones < that's "emulate" rather than "simulate"
20:29<Phazorx>however DX wont work with approach for sure since that would eman rendering wil lbe done by software... OGL/A3D on the other hand - quitte possible
20:31<Wezz6400>unfortunatly that doesn't help me much
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20:32<TrueBrain>hmm, importing 1000 images is SLOW!
20:33<Eddi|zuHause3>get faster $GADGET
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20:44<TrueBrain>running an even bigger import
20:44<TrueBrain>brrr
20:45<TrueBrain>8059 sprites...
20:45<TrueBrain>that is what OpenTTD needs to work
20:48<TrueBrain>10 MiB worth of data when converting original grfs to PNGs
20:48<TrueBrain>each one in a single file
20:48<Wezz6400>:o
20:55<TrueBrain>it is still running...
20:56<Wezz6400>at 4 am :X
20:56<TrueBrain>yeah, I really should find my bed
20:56<TrueBrain>oh, it is right at my feet
20:56<CIA-1>OpenTTD: richk * r10825 /branches/NewGRF_ports/ (4 files in 3 dirs):
20:56<CIA-1>OpenTTD: [NewGRF_ports] -Feature: Airport subtype (prop 20) is now read. This restricts buildlist and usage of airports to the selected vehicle subtype.
20:56<CIA-1>OpenTTD: Added Seaplanes as new subtype for Airports; bit3=1, value 0x08.
20:56<CIA-1>OpenTTD: TODO: add Seaplane subtype to aircraft; build, etc.
20:57<TrueBrain>@calc 588800 / 8059
20:57<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: 73.0611738429
20:57<TrueBrain>73 bytes per record
20:57<TrueBrain>not bad
20:58<Wezz6400>this is not good
20:58<Wezz6400>it's friggin 4 am but still irc has enough people on to talk to
20:59<TrueBrain>you know there is a whole other continent we call USA
20:59<Wezz6400>I know, but I'm mostly talking to Dutch people
21:01<TrueBrain>http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/32bpp_website2.png
21:01<TrueBrain>yeah babu
21:01<TrueBrain>yeah baby
21:02<Wezz6400>yiha ;)
21:07<Wezz6400>hmm bed time
21:07<TrueBrain>night Wezz6400
21:07<Wezz6400>at least you're doing something usefull
21:07<Wezz6400>I'm doing nothing :X
21:08<Wezz6400>well nothing other than wrecking valuable time tomorrow which I should spend learning c++ and c#/xna :X
21:08<TrueBrain>http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/32bpp_website3.png
21:08<TrueBrain>So, let's both go to bed
21:08<TrueBrain>ngiht all!
21:08<Wezz6400>a different bed though ;)
21:08<Wezz6400>:w
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21:09<TrueBrain>Please, let it be a different bed!!
21:10<CIA-1>OpenTTD: richk * r10826 /branches/NewGRF_ports/src/ (saveload.cpp station_cmd.cpp): [NewGRF_ports] -Change: Added save of FSMport_flood_protected.
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21:34<simon444>tatada
21:34<simon444>openteeteedee
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