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---Logopened Thu Aug 09 00:00:59 2007
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00:25<CIA-2>OpenTTD: rubidium * r10833 /trunk/src/ (road_cmd.cpp video/win32_v.cpp): -Fix [FS#1115]: assertion (different cost between test and execution) of overbuilding road tunnels with tram tracks (and vice versa) when the dragged area contains both ends of the tunnel.
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00:35<CIA-2>OpenTTD: rubidium * r10834 /trunk/src/video/win32_v.cpp: -Revert (part of r10833): something too much was committed :(
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00:52<Noldo>Rubidium, blathijs: The CommandCost and expenses thing we talked on monday or tuesday
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02:00<phryx></fun> <work>
02:03<Ammler>but not hard :)
02:06<phryx>nono, not </work><work> its </fun> <work> </work> <fun> etc...
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02:13<Tefad></dongs><interboobs> ?
02:13<Tefad>i didn't do it right did i
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02:23[~]Hendikins curls up in a floofy wolfoxy ball and snoozes
02:26<phryx>Tefad: BAD USER!
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03:13<Ammller>hi, how long does a server keep the server id on
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05:26<Smoky555>hi all! :)
05:27<Ammller>Hi alone
05:29<Wezz6400>ahoy ;)
05:31<Smoky555>i want to ask about config_file (different for all versions), but i solved this problem :)
05:34<Smoky555>but now... is it possible to use SAVE folder in the folder with binary instead folder in My Documents/OpenTTD for my saves and autosaves?
05:34<Wezz6400>thanks for saving us some time ;)
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06:07<Gekkko`>I ARE TEH BORED.
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06:54<aneb>i'm angry!
06:55<alex_>no wai
06:55<aneb>and disappointed. on my server, someone cheated and is acting like microsoft at the moment
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06:57<aneb>by cheat, i mean he put up a blockade on some of his stations
07:01<aneb>well, that's that
07:01<alex_>reset his company
07:01<aneb>i banned him and deleted his company
07:02<alex_>i reakon us admin should get together and make a banlist together
07:02<alex_>so that if you notice a fucktard like this
07:02<alex_>itll be added to like a global banlist
07:02<aneb>alex_: u an admin?
07:02<alex_>for alexservers
07:03<aneb>o cool, my server is fswh ottd server in the server list
07:03<alex_>sweet :)
07:03<alex_>im launching 5-6 more servers soon
07:03<alex_>get the number up to 20
07:04<aneb>i run a service called free shell/web hosting and its at
07:05<alex_>hmm nice
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07:05<alex_>can i have an account? :D
07:05<aneb>alex_: anyone can and for good reason
07:07<alex_>so i can hack the internets
07:07<alex_>and download all teh pr0n
07:07<aneb>alex_: cracking == abuse of server
07:07<alex_>what better reason than this?
07:07<alex_>im joking :P
07:09<aneb>alex_: ah, ok.
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07:17<Gekko>I'll fight you!
07:21<Diabolic-Angel>alex_: just start a list and spread the word
07:22<Gekko>aneb: you're email link is busted
07:22<Gekko>and you're w3c buttons aren't on the correct divider
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07:25<alex_>aneb, pm
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07:43<dihedral>aneb: ?? you there?
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07:45<alex_>dihedral, keep back! he is my sex toy
07:46<dihedral>i dont want his service alex_
07:46<dihedral>have my own dedicated server ^^
07:46<dihedral>i want to introduce him to OpenTTDLib for the OpenTTD games he hosts ^^
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07:47<alex_>dihedral, you seen those AlexServers >> ?
07:47<dihedral>lemme check
07:48<alex_>i got 6 more coming soon
07:48<dihedral>too small maps for my taste ^^
07:48<dihedral>have you seen OpenTTDLib?
07:48<alex_>to small maps? 1024x1024 to small?
07:49<dihedral>no - thats nice ^^
07:49<alex_>i havw 2048 x 128
07:49<dihedral>128x64 is what i saw
07:49<alex_>so those nice line railways
07:49<dihedral>hey - that was a rhyme ^^
07:49<alex_>oh, thats a miniworld
07:49<dihedral>alex_: check out
07:50<alex_>i want in
07:50<alex_>ill get all my servers on this
07:50<dihedral>you have php5?
07:50<alex_>how about offical support
07:50<alex_>offical partnering
07:50<dihedral>i would say - download trunk
07:51<alex_>all my servers about to be renamed too
07:51<alex_>i regged me a domain name the other day
07:51<alex_>"carbon neutral hosting" teheheh
07:52<dihedral>i am with 1&1 and
07:52<dihedral>1&1 for their mail server stuff, and regfish for the hidden primary dns support
07:52<dihedral>i do the rest on my server
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07:53<dihedral>just dont like the thought of not getting hold of my emails if my server should go down
07:53<dihedral>or infact having them then bounce
07:53<alex_>yeah defaintly
07:54<dihedral>if you download trunk of openttdlib, it should work right away
07:54<alex_>this is why i am getting s $5 per month virtual machine
07:54<alex_>act a as a backup mx catchall
07:55<dihedral>just need finishing documentation on trunk, and then that will be the next release
07:55<alex_>dihedral, pm
07:55<dihedral>before i try to add grf support
07:55<dihedral>i am on irssi (commandline irc client)
07:55<alex_>dihedral, etstalk
07:55<alex_>dihedral, #letstalk
07:56<Diabolic-Angel>dihedral: /msg $nick <message>
07:56<Diabolic-Angel>you'll get a new tab when someone querys you
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08:08<dihedral>Diabolic-Angel: did not know about the alt-1 through alt-0 key bindings
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08:57<dihedral>TrueBrain: i have a little suggestion for you - regarding the server list
08:58<dihedral>instead of just have the details page available at ?id=
08:58<dihedral>also make it available at ?ip=&port=
08:58<dihedral>so that it's possible to link to ones details page from other sites without having to look if the id might have changed for whatever reason
08:59<dihedral>in addition - you could group the listed servers by ip, and only show a top10 or something similar always comparing the best out of each ip group
09:00<dihedral>making the goups expandable to show the others in the same group
09:02<XeryusTC>dihedral: the website's source is freely available via svn
09:05<dihedral>but iirc maintained by truelight -right?
09:05<dihedral>so - i am just passing on an idea - in the hope to get back his thoughts on them
09:06<blathijs>It's hosted by TrueBrain, but I'm not sure if there is any specific maintainer
09:06<blathijs>AFAIK Darkvater wrote most of it
09:09<blathijs>I think that's outdated, TrueBrain started coding again :-p
09:10<dihedral>word ^^
09:11<dihedral>last editid 15:01, 26 October 2006
09:16<Ammller>is there something like su in the admin console?
09:16<Ammller>so you can switch to an other company to set the pw
09:17<Ammller>or have you to login for it?
09:17<Ammller>(with ottd client)
09:19<dihedral>you have to login
09:19<dihedral>but it would be nice to be able to set company passwords for other companys from the admin console (ie with rcon)
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09:32<Ammller>whats difference of town growth between temperate and tropic?
09:34<+glx>in tropic towns need water
09:34<Maedhros>in tropic you also need to supply food, and if the town square is in the desert, water to make them grow
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09:46<zeth->what does the numbers at the end game mean?
09:47<zeth->just "finished" a game versus a buddy and i beat him 915 to 900
09:47<zeth->but what is it calculated on?
09:47<+glx>there's a window explaining this value
09:48<zeth->a window? where?
09:48<+glx>Detailed performance rating
09:48<zeth->ok, thats kind of what i thought
09:48<+glx>hold the "cup" button
09:49<zeth->yeh i know, ty :)
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10:00<Ammller>glx, Maedhros, does town growth in tropic depense from how much you deliver?
10:00<Ammller>just at least one per month?
10:00<Maedhros>exactly :)
10:01<Ammller>but town_growth_rate has influence?
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10:02<dihedral>towns should be able to shrink by themselves too
10:02<dihedral>have a required amoutn of food/water for it to grow
10:02<dihedral>if delivered amount < required amount : shrink
10:03<dihedral>to be gone
10:05<Maedhros>to an extent, they do already
10:06<Maedhros>buildings get demolished every now and again, and there's a certain chance they won't get rebuilt immediately
10:08<dihedral>the immediately means they will eventually right?
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10:09<Maedhros>not if the town isn't growing ;)
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11:46<Xintron>How do I tell my server to print welcomemessage on join?
11:52<dihedral>file in scripts/on_server_connect.scr
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12:11<dihedral>Xintron: either the file or make use of autopilot
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12:54[~]dihedral slaps Sacro
12:54<dihedral>just felt like it ^^
12:54<dihedral>and i know you never mind ^^
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13:17<Noldo>oh the joy of testing
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13:26<Noldo>and self inflicted bugs
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13:31<Niki->i have a slight question. how much ram does openttd eat?
13:32<Wolf01>as much as it can
13:33<Rubidium>depends on the map size, number of vehicle, newgrfs used, complexity of the tracks and much more
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13:34<Niki->so it would be hard with 12 mb?
13:35<Sacro>you can't have 12mb
13:36<Xintron>You can
13:36<Sacro>Xintron: no, you can't go smaller than 1b
13:36<Wolf01>maybe not with 63x64 maps and without grfs and with low vehicles number
13:36<Xintron>I was reffering to "you can have 12mb ram memory"
13:36<Niki->i was just makin funny thoughts about a openttd version in dslinux ^^
13:36<Xintron>Not saying you can run openttd
13:37<Sacro>and i was stating that you can have no less than 1000mb of ram
13:37<Wolf01>he was thinking about millibytes
13:37<Sacro>its a physical impossibility
13:37<Wolf01>or millibits
13:37<Niki->megabytes ;p
13:37<Sacro>Niki-: well if you mean megabytes use MB
13:37<Sacro>mb is millibits
13:38<Niki->4 MB nintendo ds ram + 8 MB ram extension ^^
13:38<Prof_Frink>< orudge> Sacro is a silly!
13:38<Niki->how much did the dos version need back then? likely 64 mb or so?
13:38<Sacro>Niki-: do you mean Mb or MB?
13:39<Sacro>i think it did need around 64Mb
13:39<Niki->mega byte
13:39<Sacro>well the original game i think needed 64Mb
13:40<Prof_Frink>megabyte or mebibyte?
13:40<Niki->and ottd with small maps and few vehicles?
13:40<Wolf01>the windows version requires: 25MHz cpu, 4MB of ram, SVGA graphics card 640x480 capable of 256 colors :OOO, 4MB of hard disk space and a Sound Blaster Compatible sound card
13:40<Niki->stop that nonsense now lol
13:40<Sacro>Wolf01: hmm, only 32Mb... impressive
13:40<Niki->i only dont have 640x480 ^^
13:40<Sacro>i had 16MB at the time
13:40<Niki->i have a arm9, a arm7, 4 mb ram, and 8 mb ram extension
13:40<Sacro>or Mb
13:40<Niki->but openttd likely needs powers of ten of that stuff?
13:41[~]Sacro grumbles
13:41<Niki->STOP THAT NOW lol
13:41<Prof_Frink>Sacro: Or Mib/MiB
13:41<Sacro>Prof_Frink: that'd be fine
13:41<Sacro>but you *cannot* have m{b,B}
13:41<Wolf01>when he starts, the only way to stop is (it is a bot, for sure) is to talk about sex
13:41<Prof_Frink>Although the latter tend to be more interested in aliens than computers
13:44<@orudge>Sacro: stop confusing people
13:44<Sacro>orudge: he started it by confusing me
13:44<@orudge>while it may not be "right", referring to 16MB as "64Mb" just confuses people
13:44<@orudge>as NOBODY except you uses "millibits"
13:44<@orudge>64Mb, yes, that's megabits
13:44<@orudge>but still, when talking about RAM
13:44<Sacro>what, i did have 64Mb RAM
13:44<@orudge>it is interpreted as Megabytes
13:44<@orudge>being difficult just confuses everyone :p
13:44<Sacro>orudge: no, it interprets as a millibit
13:45<Sacro>how am I supposed to know when he didn't press shift
13:45<@orudge>nobody else interpreted it as millibit :p
13:45<@orudge>and I daresay that almost nobody else in the history of computing has measured things in millibits :p
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13:45<@orudge>megabits, sure
13:45<@orudge>but not millibits
13:46<@orudge>generally, people interpret things as the most appropriate unit for that thing
13:46<Noldo>great there is still some tiletype with non-functional ClearTile
13:46<@orudge>eg, "16m", "16MB", "16mb" = 16 megabytes (of RAM)
13:46<Sacro>fine, but then it'd be nice if he could distinguish between bits and bytes, if someone can't even do milli/Mega right, how am i to konw
13:46<@orudge>"2m", "2Mbps", "2 meg" = 2megabits per second
13:46<@orudge>Sacro: yes
13:46<@orudge>but people don't measure RAM in bits
13:46<@orudge>so in this case, it's obvious
13:46<@orudge>if they were talking about an Internet connection, then perhaps it's not obvious
13:47<@orudge>while yes, it'd be nice if everyone could use proper units all the time
13:47<@orudge>it just doesn't happen :p
13:47<@orudge>so you have to interpret things accordingly
13:47<Sacro>orudge: actually, handheld devices have been known to use bits
13:47<@orudge>TTD wasn't released for a handheld device :p
13:47<Sacro>no, but he mentioned arm7 and arm9
13:47<Sacro>and they are handheld processors
13:48<@orudge>well, in this case, I believe it was quite obvious that he wasn't meaning "bits"
13:49<@orudge>I'm not an expert on handheld devices, but generally, they tend to use bytes
13:50<Niki->nintendo in bits
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13:51<Sacro>orudge: i think he's talking about a nintendo ds, and handheld consoles do tend to use bits
13:52<@orudge>Ah well
13:52<@orudge>my statement still stands in general :P
13:52<Sacro>in general yes
13:52<Sacro>but it can cause confusion
13:52<@orudge>and when whoever started this conversation did so, there was no mention of handheld devices ;)
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14:06<aneb>alex_: are you there
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14:11[~]dihedral slaps Sacro
14:11<dihedral>just for the fun of it
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14:13<hylje>anyway, moar testing for
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14:16<dihedral>hylje: what you writing it in?
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14:18<hylje>just curious eh?
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14:21<dihedral>why is the form renderd twice?
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14:22<dihedral>hylje: the form to register a new patch is rendered twice..?
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14:22<hylje>oh it is
14:23<hylje>ill see to it
14:23<dihedral>yep - add a patch
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14:23<dihedral>i got developer permission? ^^
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14:23<hylje>for the demo
14:24<hylje>i'm not arsed enough to go grant it per-case basis
14:25<hylje>heh at least using the lower form works as intended
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14:25<TrueBrain>[16:05] <dihedral> but iirc maintained by truelight -right? <- not really, DV wrote the page, I make sure it is operational. I do not really feel like fiddling with the current code to create your idea, although it is nice. I suggest to check out the source and do it yourself :)
14:26<TrueBrain>I love GPL :)
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14:27<hylje>the patch adding form is un-duplicated now
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14:28<eekee>TrueBrain: I do too :)
14:28<dihedral>TrueBrain: as it is only a relevant to the webpage and not to gathering the servers data ^^
14:29<dihedral>i might as well ^^
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14:29[~]dihedral slaps Sacro_
14:29<hylje>how random
14:30<dihedral>i always feel better after
14:30[~]dihedral slaps Sacro_
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14:33<hylje>i dont feel like putting up some source control for it
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14:33<dihedral>why not
14:33<hylje>yet i must do that to maintain my sanity
14:34<dihedral>i have svn running already
14:34<dihedral>if you'r interested
14:34<hylje>could use
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14:37<Noldo>Is there any point in filing bugreports about the default ai?
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14:40<Noldo>thought so
14:41<dihedral>hylje: got one for ya
14:41<dihedral>can you give me an email address so i can send you the details?
14:42<hylje>you can use a private message, given oftc is not anal about it. i'm registered
14:42<hylje>but if you insist, i can provide one
14:43<hylje>oh, what?
14:43<dihedral>mac terminal isseu
14:43<dihedral>one second
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14:46<hylje>that looks good
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14:47<dihedral>much better
14:51<Noldo>what is the result of GB(7,4,4) ?
14:52<Noldo>it's a macro used in openttd
14:52<dihedral>i thought macros were not very welcome
14:53<Noldo>it's an old one
14:53<Nickman>anyone here knows how I can acces functions from an external file in the squirrel implementation of NoAI branch?
14:56[~]Brianetta puts the kettle on
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15:00[~]dihedral would love to join Brianetta for a cup of tea and cookies
15:03<dihedral>Brianetta: have you managed to find out why some games quit under autopilot?
15:04<Brianetta>dihedral: Do they still quit?
15:04<dihedral>i have no idea
15:04<dihedral>i only remember you mentioning something along those lines ^^
15:05<Brianetta> <-- weird
15:05<Noldo>Should have removed that constructor in the firstplace
15:07<Noldo>it's the source of all evil
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15:08<Eddi|zuHause2><Noldo> what is the result of GB(7,4,4) ? <- (7>>4)&0xF
15:08<Eddi|zuHause2>most likely 0
15:08<Noldo>that was my quess too
15:11<Noldo>unfortunately that result should lead to ClearTile_Clear be called and that one I've checked and it cannot be the trouble makes
15:11<Wolf01> sergej is amazing, he is trying to confuse them so they heads will blow up
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15:39<dihedral>night ladies
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15:55<aneb>um, with 7 tiles assigned to a station, how much cargo is required to fit the 7 tiles. minus the train engine/
15:57<Rubidium>depends on the cargo
15:58<Rubidium>any newgrfs?
16:00<CIA-2>OpenTTD: glx * r10835 /trunk/src/video/win32_v.cpp: -Fix [FS#998] (r10399): don't try to minimise or restore the window when closing openttd
16:00<Rubidium>then it's 390 tonnes (i.e. the train can carry 390 tonnes of coal)
16:09<aneb>a person got into my company and literally deleted my coal business. lesson: practice what you preach
16:11<hylje>opr is nearly up to snuff to truelight's draft
16:12<hylje>just comment categorizing
16:15<hylje>it should be quite usable already, too
16:16<Rubidium>hmm, you need to do some text "trimming" in the patch list
16:17<hylje>ah yes
16:17<Rubidium>especially when you're logged in
16:18<Rubidium>booh, I can't get developer access :(
16:18<hylje>that's a recent regression
16:18<hylje>i'm packing the URLs rather tightly..
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16:20<Rubidium>hmm, you have to copy-paste the diff from a text editor instead of just uploading a file? That's might get tricky
16:21<hylje>yes, that's on the to-do list
16:21<hylje>theres some research involved to do it elegantly so i'm delaying it
16:22<hylje>i'll also add a download link while i'm at it
16:31<hylje>permission fetching works now
16:37<aneb>alex_: ping
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17:30<c20h25n3o>hi all, does anybody speak russian?
17:33<c20h25n3o>ok, so tell me please: i want to see the function, calculating "cargo payment" - in which of source files i need to seek it
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17:50<Eddi|zuHause2>no patience these guys...
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23:29<Dumpshock>Hey... I'm wondering if anyone could give me some Multiplayer Technical help around OpenTTD.
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23:34<Dumpshock>Anyone alive in here?
23:48<Noldo>just ask the question and someone may pick it up
23:49<Dumpshock>Well, the issue Im having is I can't connect into Multiplayer games. I can see the servers, and can get into a game lobby, but thats it. Game lobby doesnt laod any information about the game and the buttons stay greyed out.
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