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02:33<Wolf01>hello
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05:06<Eddi|zuHause2>... i'm around now :)
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05:30<Trenskow>what development IDE is used for the mac os x port ?
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05:54<TrueBrain>vi? :p
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06:04<TrueBrain>anyway, goodmorning all
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06:17<Dephenom>morning TrueBrain
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07:08<Ammller>another time of 11 clients on our server (#openttdcoop)
07:09<Ammller>but I have seen, you made some changes with max clients
07:09<Ammller>what is the goad there?
07:09<Ammller>goal
07:17<Wolf01>i don't remember, is x_offs/y_offs or xoffs/yoffs to set in 32bpp png files?
07:17<TrueBrain>Ammller: you were right, 11 clients was possible, but only because of an other change forgetting to change the MAX_CLIENTS to the correct value
07:17<TrueBrain>x_offs Wolf01
07:18<Wolf01>thank you TrueBrain :)
07:19<Ammller>so you changed the code "only" that 11 clients aren't possible anymore
07:19<Ammller>there will no changes be for more clients?
07:20<TrueBrain>not at this tage
07:20<TrueBrain>stage
07:20<TrueBrain>I did some attempts on it some days ago
07:20<TrueBrain>but it resulted in nasty segfaults :p
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07:23<Ammller>TrueBrain: did you see my screen?
07:23<TrueBrain>which?
07:23<Ammller>http://openttdcoop.ppcis.org/wiki/index.php/User:Ammler#No_client_limit
07:25<TrueBrain>impressive picture (??)
07:25<TrueBrain>as we said tons of times before, raising the client-limit isn't hard
07:25<TrueBrain>doing it properly is
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07:25<Ammller>we played about 3 hours on that server
07:25<Ammller>some others connected after
07:26<Ammller>And since then I patched the #openttdcoop server to 11
07:27<Ammller>as you can see on our status page, we have 11 of 11 clients connected
07:27<Ammller>12 needs patched clients too
07:27<TrueBrain>no shit
07:27<Ammller>:)
07:28<Ammller>btw, I had to make space for others
07:29<Ammller>so we could need at least 15 slots atm
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07:30<Wolf01>TrueBrain, are you good in bash scripting?
07:30<TrueBrain>Wolf01: only when I want to
07:30<Wolf01>i'm writing a script for the pngcodec
07:31<Wolf01>i'm stuck with the offset file to pass to the function
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07:31<TrueBrain>I believe there are already several scripts to run pngcodec
07:31<TrueBrain>check the pngcodec topic
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07:32<Wolf01>the ones i seen have already the offsets hardcoded
07:32<Wolf01>but i'll look again
07:33<TrueBrain>http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=606861#p606861
07:33<TrueBrain>has some code for you
07:35<Wolf01>mine was a little different http://rafb.net/p/8vruOc17.html
07:36<TrueBrain>first $LIST should be $1 (or maybe $0, can't remember)
07:36<TrueBrain>anyway, why make a function if you only call it once
07:36<TrueBrain>bit silly
07:37<Wolf01>i don't remember
07:38<Wolf01>i took an old script i made to make a menu for chosing and display the text files of a folder
07:39<Wolf01>oh, that's why.. the for list, i needed $1 $2 and $3
07:41<Wolf01>the point in which i'm stuck was to pass groups of three arguments at the for list, like for VAR in "A1 B1 C1" "A2 B2 C2"...
07:41<Wolf01>but i must read them from a file :P
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07:53<Wolf01>uhm, ok, seem i've done it
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07:53<TrueBrain>Wolf01: in the future I will add support to pngcodec to accept a file via the stdin, which sets all the x_offs and y_offs
07:54<Wolf01>i hope it will accepts ranges of numbers and not all the grfs numbers in one file
07:55<TrueBrain>how do you mean?
07:55<Wolf01>i mean that if i want to change the offsets from 19 to 56 i should not process all the pngs i have
07:56<TrueBrain>you can't mass-set pngs to a given offset, each sprite has its own offset... if not, you did something wrong :p
07:57<Wolf01>no, i meant that if i redone only some pngs, i want to change the offsets of only those pngs, so i generate a txt file with their names and offsets only
07:58<TrueBrain>the thing I ment is: pngcodec < list.txt
07:58<TrueBrain>where list.txt is: file.png x_offs y_offs\nfile2.png x_offs y_offs
07:58<TrueBrain>etc etc
07:58<Wolf01>maybe we are saying the same thing :)
07:59<TrueBrain>most likely
07:59<+glx>looks like it yes :)
07:59<TrueBrain>tnx glx :)
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08:22<Purno>is there any way to use a yearcheat in multiplayer?
08:22<TrueBrain>nope
08:22<Purno>damn that sucks
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08:40<Eddi|zuHause2>only if you load it in single player, use the cheat, restart the server with the new savegame
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10:25<Mark>!wiki
10:25<Mark>!help
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10:37<skidd13>@wiki
10:38[~]Maedhros points in the general direction of the /topic
10:38<skidd13>hmm should be wiki.openttd.org
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10:39<skidd13>Maedhros: I thought the bots answer the question... It must have been in #openttdcoop
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11:24<alex__>how do you load a scenario with dedicated servers?
11:24<alex__>do i load it like a normal saved game?
11:24<+glx>yes
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11:28<alex__>what about settings
11:28<alex__>like aircraft or breakdowns
11:28<alex__>are they inside the scn file
11:28<alex__>?
11:28<+glx>yes they are, a scenario is like a savegame
11:29<alex__>ok
11:32<alex__>hmmmm
11:32<alex__>which tab has breakdowns? vechiles? i cant find it
11:33<+glx>difficulty
11:34<alex__>ok
11:34<alex__>what abotu autoclean?
11:35<+glx>that's a server setting in openttd.cfg
11:36<alex__>ok so you still need to load a cfg file with the save game
11:36<+glx>of course :)
11:36<alex__>ta
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11:39<alex__>can you load the scenario directly from the cfg file?
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11:47<alex__>hmm on linux how do i load a scn file effectly?
11:47<alex__>its not working for me when i run:
11:47<alex__>./openttd -c /root/.openttd/openttd4.cfg -D -g EUROPE.scn
11:47<alex__>is this the correct way to do it, ? can someone help me
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11:48<+glx>it should work
11:48<+glx>where is the scenario?
11:48<alex__>its where im running the proggie
11:48<alex__>1 sec
11:49<alex__>ok its worked :D
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11:51<alex__>join alexserver >> realworld: europe :D:D
11:56<Tekky>Hi, I have a little question: I saved a game shortly before the end of the month. Because one of my favorite industries lost about 20% of production at the end of the month, I loaded the savegame which I had made before the end of the month. However, when I reached the end of the month again, exactly the same thing happened again. I guess this is because the random number generator seed is also stored in the savegame and therefore all random event
11:57<+glx>yes random is pseudo-random
11:57<+glx>that's why network games work
12:00<Tekky>but both ExtChangeIndustryProduction() in industry_cmd.cpp and TownActionBribe() in town_cmd.cpp call Random() and not InteractiveRandom()? Since both functions use the same random number generator, why doesn't a town bribe reshuffle the state of the random number generator used by ExtChangeIndustryProduction() and thereby cause the production changes at the end of the month to be reshuffled?
12:01<Tekky>This doesn't make any sense to me, even after having studied the source code for a whole hour.....
12:02<Tekky>This is driving me crazy :)
12:08<Tekky>I think I'll better ask this question in the development forum, since it doesn't seem that easy to answer...
12:14<Tekky>ok, I have made a post to the development forum. If anyone can answer this question, please post to this thread: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=33676
12:18<alex__>can someone please do a test for me and see how fast this map downloads for them:
12:18<alex__>on
12:19<alex__>78.86.117.217:4050
12:19<alex__>alexserver >> realworld: europe
12:19<alex__>please
12:20<Tekky>I'm afraid I've never used multiplayer before, let me see...
12:20<Tekky>can I use the latest nightly?
12:20<Tekky>or 0.5.2?
12:21<Tekky>or 0.5.3 RC2?
12:21<Tekky>or doesn't it matter which version I use?
12:24<Tekky>ah, I see you are using 0.5.2
12:25<Tekky>Sorry, I don't have 0.5.2 installed anymore.
12:25<Tekky>I only have 0.5.3 RC2 and the latest nightly installed.
12:26<Tekky>does anyone else have 0.5.2 installed?
12:43<Sacro>me
12:43<Sacro>dont see his though
12:49<TrueBrain>Tekky: simple answer: bad luck! If you issue a bribe, the random is changed. Just it might be that it doesn't change enough....
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13:16<TrueBrain>BioShock is a pretty good game :) hehe
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13:18<hylje>:o
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13:19<TrueBrain>hylje: you should talk to Progman
13:19<TrueBrain>Progman: you should talk to hylje
13:19<TrueBrain>so there
13:19<hylje>we've talked already
13:19<TrueBrain>good good
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13:20<Progman>*g*
13:22[~]Sacro sniggers at the dutch
13:22<Ammller>was it ever discussed to rise the cost for terraforming (at least optional)?
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13:32<SmatZ>oh, I am so overeaten today ...
13:33<Sacro>i think you mean have :p
13:35<alex__>what date do the metro/international/intercontinental airports come into the game?
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13:39<SmatZ>maybe ... I just ate too much today
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14:01<alex__>what date/year do the metro/international/intercontinental airports come into the game?
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14:16<Rubidium>Ammller: 20 is not "no limit"
14:17<Ammller>:) its only to show
14:17<Rubidium>it only shows that increasing it to any arbitrary limit (less than a certain amount) is "easy"
14:17<Rubidium>it does not show that removing the limit itself is easy
14:17<Ammller>indeed
14:18<Ammller>but removing the limit is not needed imo
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14:20<Rubidium>no, but having a fairly large block of memory allocated for basically one server that really needs it is not OK. Furthermore, if we raise it to 20 in a few weeks you'll start complaining that 20 is too low too.
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14:24<Phazorx>bf is touring complete as well...few weeks unlikely... and if/when it does happen that would eman the game gains popularity it deserves... which is generaly agood thing
14:24<Phazorx>ignore 1st part
14:25<Phazorx>20 does sound like really guess number... 32 might sound better :)
14:26<@peter1138>dynamic is the way to go
14:26<Phazorx>could not agree more :)
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14:37<alex__>wow
14:37<alex__>city block brownout in london
14:38<alex__>felt like i was in the stone age for 15mins
14:39<Sionide>cool
14:39<Sionide>15 mins isn't that long
14:40<alex__>yeah
14:41<alex__>but its wierd, like it felt like the end of the world
14:41<alex__>all of the people in their flats went on their balconys and out their front doors
14:41<alex__>and its dark here
14:41<Sionide>i know :p
14:41<Sionide>i'm in norwich at the mo heh
14:42<Sionide>longest power out i had was a few hours, i went for a little ride round on my bike and got shouted at by some old woman who thought it was silly to cycle round in a power cut... i was thinking what else am i supposed to do :/
14:42<SmatZ>alex__: did you think terrorists caused that?
14:43<Sionide>ahahahhaaa
14:44<Sionide>as if
14:44<alex__>lol SmatZ
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14:45[~]Smoovious rolls his eyes.
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14:46<Smoovious>I had a circuit trip, right about the same time I started the microwave...
14:46<Smoovious>I suspect terrorism...
14:47<SmatZ>I am jusst curious how panic are UK people about terrorism :)
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14:48<Smoovious>US are also... a steam pipe in NY fails... and they have to put out a statement that it wasn't related to terrorism... same with the bridge collapse... it is just silly...
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14:49<Smoovious>just stop saying terrorism every time something goes wrong until there actually *_IS_* terrorism... putting out a statement all lthe time just doen't h elp
14:49<Sionide>SmatZ, not at all, english terrorists are idiots who drive jeeps into the side of an airport terminal and kill precisely nobody except themselves
14:50<SmatZ>:)
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15:20<tbf>hi. what could cause openttd to freeze on startup on windows vista?
15:21<Sacro>gremlins...
15:21<Sacro>grab yer rifle...
15:22<tbf>hmmm.... "skipping action 0x04 in stage 0"
15:24<Sionide>tbf, what version?
15:27<tbf>Sionide: 0.5.2 --- seems it doesn't like the dbset?
15:28<Sionide>dunno, was gonna say submit a bug http://bugs.openttd.org/ *shrug*
15:29<@Bjarni><Sionide> SmatZ, not at all, english terrorists are idiots who drive jeeps into the side of an airport terminal and kill precisely nobody except themselves <--- try to tell that to the people of London
15:29<Sionide>they didn't do as much damage as they wanted to then either, thank god
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15:30<@Bjarni>stillunk1own: that's a silly name... I know you :P
15:31<stillunk1own>Blame irssi ;-)
15:33<@Bjarni>http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=2182 <-- err... that's likely the most odd reason for a delayed train that I have ever seen o_O
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15:34<@Bjarni>bye person, who we had yet to identify
15:38<Eddi|zuHause2>"The train is _never_ late"
15:38<Eddi|zuHause2>[Hiro]
15:39<hylje>wut
15:39<Eddi|zuHause2>no german would ever say that :p
15:39<manveru>it used to be true... sometime in the 18th century :)
15:39<TrueBrain>not even one from The Netherlands
15:41<tbf>Eddi|zuHause2: well, berlin's s-bahn is on schedule over 98%
15:41<Eddi|zuHause2>i don't know germans from the netherlands :p
15:41<TrueBrain>Eddi|zuHause2: I do
15:42<Sacro>come sit and fart in the duck!
15:42<Eddi|zuHause2>tbf: the discussion in the episode was about the subway being 14 seconds delayed
15:43<tbf>Eddi|zuHause2: ridicilous
15:43<alex__>09:20pm] <tbf> hi. what could cause openttd to freeze on startup on windows vista?
15:43<alex__>[09:21pm] <Sacro> gremlins...
15:43<alex__>[09:21pm] <Sacro> grab yer rifle...
15:44<alex__>LMAO
15:44<alex__>quality, that should be on bash.org
15:44<Sacro>hehe
15:44<tbf>OMG!
15:44<Sacro>no quotes involving me ever get accepted :(
15:45<@Bjarni>go to qdb.us and searched for rejected Sacro quotes then
15:45<Eddi|zuHause2>because Bjarni submits them, and he has a wrong kind of humor :p
15:45<Sacro>http://qdb.us/56856
15:45<Sacro>hehe
15:45<Sacro>Patrick and his "really big gay"
15:46<Sacro>what happened to Patric, and qball
15:46<Sacro>http://qdb.us/64298 <- that was a fun 5 mins
15:46<@Bjarni>http://qdb.us/65775 <-- I don't know why this one was rejected
15:47<Eddi|zuHause2>actually a quote from me is on german-bash.org :p
15:47<Sacro>http://qdb.us/65107 <- i don't actually remember that
15:47<@Bjarni>LOL
15:47<@Bjarni>that's a great one
15:48<@Bjarni>never seen that one before
15:48<Sacro>no, i don't remember it
15:48<Sacro>http://qdb.us/78443
15:49<alex__>all those quotes _suck_
15:49<Sacro>:(
15:49<TrueBrain>@kick Sacro Enough quotes already
15:49|-|Sacro kicked [#openttd] DorpsGek [Enough quotes already]
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15:49<TrueBrain>that we have to read them once is bad enough
15:49<Sacro>it doesn't say that in the topic anymore
15:50<Sacro>it used to be 2 quotes per 10 minutes or something
15:50<@Bjarni>http://qdb.us/100552 <--- is that our Sacro?
15:50<TrueBrain>@kick Bjarni Enough quotes already
15:50|-|Bjarni kicked [#openttd] DorpsGek [Enough quotes already]
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15:50<Sacro>Bjarni: yes, tis me
15:50<@Bjarni>hey, I asked a valid question
15:51<Sacro>and Bucket is a bot :o
15:51<TrueBrain>@op
15:51|-|mode/#openttd [+o TrueBrain] by DorpsGek
15:51<Sacro>@op
15:51<Sacro>aww :(
15:51|-|[TrueBrain] changed the topic of #openttd: 0.5.2 | Bash link or qdb link == ban, period
15:51<Sacro>:(
15:52<Eddi|zuHause2>http://german-bash.org/123684
15:53|-|mode/#openttd [+b Eddi|zuHause2!*@*] by TrueBrain
15:53|-|Eddi|zuHause2 kicked [#openttd] TrueBrain [Go kick]
15:53<Sacro>:o
15:53<@TrueBrain>why do people challange me?
15:53<Sacro>TrueBrain: he has his army of clones
15:53|-|mode/#openttd [-b Eddi|zuHause2!*@*] by TrueBrain
15:53<Sacro>thers about 6 Eddi|zuHauses
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15:54<@peter1138>thank god for some sanity
15:54<Eddi|zuHause2>it was technically not a real bash link...
15:54<@TrueBrain>Eddi|zuHause2: really, don't challange me
15:55|-|[peter1138] changed the topic of #openttd: 0.5.2 | IRC quote website link == ban, period
15:55<ln->http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/
15:55<Eddi|zuHause2>fine :p
15:55<@TrueBrain>you are right peter113, much more clear :)
15:55<@peter1138>ln-: you're safe now ;p
15:55|-|mode/#openttd [+b *!*@*.fi] by TrueBrain
15:55|-|ln- kicked [#openttd] TrueBrain [ln-]
15:55<Sacro>should that be == ?
15:55<@peter1138>or not :p
15:55<@TrueBrain>no peter1138, that was really weak
15:56<@peter1138>i needed that link
15:56<@peter1138>i'd forgotten what bash wasw
15:56<@TrueBrain>lol :)
15:56|-|mode/#openttd [-b *!*@*.fi] by TrueBrain
15:56|-|[TrueBrain] changed the topic of #openttd: 0.5.2 | Bash link or qdb link == ban, period
15:56<@TrueBrain>huh?
15:56<Sacro>TrueBrain: nice of you to ban the whole of finland
15:56|-|[TrueBrain] changed the topic of #openttd: 0.5.2 | IRC quote website link == ban, period
15:56<@TrueBrain>I have a really really bad IRC client
15:56<Sionide>IRC quote website link == your whole country gets banned, period
15:56|-|mode/#openttd [+b *!*@*.dd] by Bjarni
15:56<Sionide>:P
15:57<@Bjarni>I wanted to try to ban a whole country as well
15:57<@TrueBrain>Sionide: yeah, social control :)
15:57<Sacro>Bjarni: dd?
15:57<Sacro>you don't like large chested women?
15:57<Sionide>aka. genocide
15:57<@Bjarni>Sacro: DDR
15:57<Sacro>dance dance revolution?
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15:57<Sacro>double data rate?
15:57<@peter1138>i need cheap 1u servers, ftw
15:57<@TrueBrain>peter1138: just the server?
15:58<@peter1138>yeah
15:58<Sacro>actually, it worries me which acronym came to my mind first
15:58<@Bjarni>Deutsche Demokratiche Replublik (don't quote my spelling :p)
15:58<@TrueBrain>peter1138: put it together yourself, cheapest I can get :)
15:58<@peter1138>so far i've got £300
15:58<@TrueBrain>cheaper than I can get it
15:58<@peter1138>for a 1ghz via
15:58<Eddi|zuHause2>minus the superfluous 'l', Bjarni
15:59<Eddi|zuHause2>and there's an s missing before the "ch"
15:59<@TrueBrain>peter1138: for what you need it? That slow :p
16:00<@Bjarni>dammit. Half of my spelling mistakes are due to typos >_<
16:00<@Bjarni>and I would likely have added the s if I had looked at it before hitting enter :s
16:00<Eddi|zuHause2>afaik, no .dd domain ever got reserved...
16:00<@peter1138>TrueBrain: to replace 'servers' which currently run with p200s
16:00<@peter1138>dns, monitoring, etc...
16:00<@TrueBrain>iek! Lol :)
16:00<@peter1138>they're in desktop cases too
16:01<@TrueBrain>add a VPS on a real server :p hehe
16:01<@peter1138>some with big power hungry scsi drives (4GB)
16:01<Sacro>!calc
16:01<@Bjarni>Eddi|zuHause2: we will keep the ban. If you all of a sudden are banned, then we encountered a temporal anomaly and you are stuck in commi land :p
16:01<Sacro>err
16:01<_42_>Sacro: no value returned
16:01<@peter1138>not got a server to run that on
16:01<Sacro>damn, i forgot how to work out the area of a circle
16:01<Sionide>peter1138, i've got.. i think 6, p450 in compact desktop cases sitting downstairs
16:01<@peter1138>and that kind of negates hardware redundancy
16:01<Sacro>is it pi*r^2?
16:02<@TrueBrain>peter1138: very true :) Good luck hunting a cheap one ;)
16:02|-|mode/#openttd [-b *!*@*.dd] by TrueBrain
16:02<Sacro>!calc pi*14^2
16:02<_42_>Sacro: 0;
16:02<Sacro>hmm
16:02<Sacro>!calc pi
16:02<_42_>Sacro: 0;
16:02<Sacro>stupid bot
16:02<@TrueBrain>!calc a(4)
16:02<_42_>TrueBrain: 1.3258176636;
16:03<@Bjarni>http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=2219 <--- LOL. 23 minutes of recorded Japanese train departure sounds XD
16:03<Eddi|zuHause2>*waves hand* that is not the pi that you search
16:03<@TrueBrain>!calc a(0) * 4
16:03<_42_>TrueBrain: 0;
16:03<@TrueBrain>hehe
16:03<Sacro>hmm
16:03<@TrueBrain>!calc a(1) * 4
16:03<_42_>TrueBrain: 3.1415926532;
16:03<Sacro>that pizza was apprently 615 square inches :\
16:03<ln->*.dd was banned? impressive.
16:03<@Bjarni>Sacro: pi is 4.... in some US state
16:04<Eddi|zuHause2>ln-: yeah, about 1 minute before you came back
16:04<@Bjarni>ln-: yeah, I wanted to keep stasi out of this channel
16:04<@peter1138>Sacro: that's a large pizza...
16:04<Sacro>peter1138: yes... 14 inches
16:05<Sacro>only just fitted the box into the wheelie bin
16:05<Sacro>though some places do 16" pizzas
16:05<@Bjarni>wheelie bin?
16:05<Sacro>Bjarni: yeah
16:05<@Bjarni>are you in a wheelchair or something?
16:05<@peter1138>Sacro: pizza sizes are usually diameter, not radius, no?
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16:05<@Bjarni>what is it? :)
16:05<Sacro>Bjarni:
16:05<Sacro>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheelie_bin
16:05<Sacro>peter1138: ah yes...
16:06<Sacro>hehe
16:06<@Bjarni>ahh
16:06<Sacro>no wonder it was so large
16:06<@Bjarni>I know those
16:06<Sacro>should be pi*64
16:06<Sacro>not pie*256
16:06<@Bjarni>never needed the English name for them though
16:06<Eddi|zuHause2>how do you get 256 from 14^2?
16:07<SmatZ>by adding 60
16:07<Sacro>Eddi|zuHause2: good question
16:08<Sacro>i think i did 16^2
16:08<Sacro>yeah
16:08<Sacro>why not
16:08<Sacro>actually, i first went wrong by doing 14/2 and getting 8
16:09<@TrueBrain>Sacro: by any chance you run a bank? :p
16:10<Sacro>TrueBrain: nah, i could do though
16:10<Sacro>i have a spare cupboard
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16:15|-|[TrueBrain] changed the topic of #openttd: 0.5.2 | Website: *.openttd.org (DevBlog: blog, Translator: translator2, Gameservers: servers, Nightly-builds: nightly, WIKI: wiki, SVN mailinglist: maillist, Dev-docs: docs, Patches & Bug-reports: bugs) | #openttd.notice for FS + SVN notices | mom is not an appropriate abbreviation for moment, but mo is.
16:15|-|[TrueBrain] changed the topic of #openttd: 0.5.2 | Website: *.openttd.org (DevBlog: blog, Translator: translator2, Gameservers: servers, Nightly-builds: nightly, WIKI: wiki, SVN mailinglist: maillist, Dev-docs: docs, Patches & Bug-reports: bugs) | #openttd.notice for FS + SVN notices | No 'mom', no IRC Quote Website links
16:16<Sacro>aww but mom :(
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16:18<Sacro>yay
16:18<Sacro>i have Windows Flip 3D in linux :D
16:19<@TrueBrain>some people :p
16:19<Eddi|zuHause2>i thought i explained that already, "mom" is a common abbreviation in german for "moment"
16:19<Sacro>can we use secs?
16:19<@TrueBrain>too bad for you this is an english channel
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16:20<@TrueBrain>I hate all those joins and leaves :p
16:21<Sionide>put no florping in the topic as well
16:21<Sacro>TrueBrain: should we leave for good?
16:21<Sacro>have a last man standing channel
16:21<@TrueBrain>Sacro: rather stay here for ever :p
16:21<Sacro>TrueBrain: yes, but there are freqently power cuts
16:21<Sionide>to florp, is the verb (made up by myself and friends) which means to join/part without saying anything
16:21<Sacro>or drops in internet
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16:22<Sacro>Sionide: lots of people in here do that
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16:22<@TrueBrain>Sacro: I want a law against power cuts
16:22<Sacro>TrueBrain: would be a nice idea
16:23<@TrueBrain>so let's take a vote!
16:23<Eddi|zuHause2>you should put in the topic that joining and leaving is also forbidden :p
16:23<Sacro>Eddi|zuHause2: but then people might join
16:24<Sacro>read the top
16:24<Sacro>*topic, and leave
16:24<Sacro>you need to get oftc to put it in the server messages
16:24<Wolf01>'night
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16:25<@TrueBrain>night Wolf01
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16:25<Sacro>482 seconds?
16:25<Sacro>thats not a very round number
16:25<Sacro>also, when did *he* last say anything?
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16:30<Smoovious><TrueBrain> so let's take a vote! <--- checks the 'yes' box
16:31<@Bjarni>vote on what?
16:31<Smoovious>a law against power cuts
16:31<Eddi|zuHause2>expelling all people whose name starts with B from this channel
16:31<Sionide>* mikk36 has quit (Ping timeout: 482 seconds) <<130 seconds later>> * mikk36[EST] has quit (Ping timeout: 483 seconds)
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16:32<Eddi|zuHause2>but i have a feeling it will not come through :p
16:32<mikk36>no idea what's wrong with oftc
16:32<mikk36>erm
16:32<mikk36>(00:24:09) Closing Link: ip79.cab15.ktln.starman.ee (Registration timed out)
16:32<mikk36>(00:24:09) * Disconnected
16:32<Sionide>odd
16:32<mikk36>yeah
16:32<mikk36>never seen that
16:33<mikk36>hmm
16:33<@Bjarni><Smoovious> a law against power cuts <-- no. Important stuff should be run by UPS/batteries/generator (like I do)
16:33<mikk36>it didn't automatically identify me
16:34<Eddi|zuHause2>let's all move to freenode because oftc sucks :p
16:34<Smoovious>Bjarni... hey, its not my proposal...
16:34<@Bjarni><Eddi|zuHause2> expelling all people whose name starts with B from this channel <-- no. That wouldn't apply to my standards about how to treat people
16:34<@Bjarni>if the letter had been E instead, then it's another story
16:34<@Bjarni>Smoovious: I know, but I said how you should solve the issue by yourself
16:35<Eddi|zuHause2>let's ban all people who have a vowel in their nick :p
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16:35<Eddi|zuHause2>:p
16:35<@_>let's ban everybody with letters in their nick
16:35<Smoovious>Bjarni... my vote doesn't even count anyways... :P wrong voting district
16:35<@_>--- Bjarni :No such nick/channel
16:36<Smoovious>alright, a compromise... only ban people who have non-alphanumerics in their nicks
16:36<@_>don't speak to people, who aren't present
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16:38<@TrueBrain>hmm, there is a nice delay on the network....
16:38<@TrueBrain>(just a slow 40s)
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16:53<Smoovious>hmm...
16:54<Sacro>hahahahaha
16:54[~]Sacro posts to *that site*
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16:56<Sacro>hello DorpsGek
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16:57<Sacro>hello _42_
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17:02<Eddi|zuHause2>belugas is still missing
17:02<TrueBrain>he will join when ever Belugas connects to the bouncer
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17:07<Eddi|zuHause2>he hasn't said anything the whole day...
17:07<TrueBrain>weekend :)
17:07<Eddi|zuHause2>yeah :)
17:20<TrueBrain>I wish I could put infinite amount of time in a second
17:20<TrueBrain>would be useful
17:20<TrueBrain>oh well, maybe once I master the skills of lightspeed
17:20<Smoovious>think lightspeed is more of a knack than a skill
17:21<TrueBrain>I say it is a skill you can learn to master :)
17:21<TrueBrain>what happens when you push N servers which are on top of eachother into a full system update? (Gentoo, so it compiles a lot)
17:22<TrueBrain>Exactly, the temp goes from a nice 20 C to around 40 C in 5 minutes :p
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17:24<TrueBrain>bye KritiK
17:24<TrueBrain>nice of you to join
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17:24<TrueBrain>anyway, I always wondered something about this channel.. there are 86 people in here, and only 10 or 20 talk
17:24<TrueBrain>around 30 I never saw saying a single word (my IRC client confirms)
17:24<Lillefix>most is playing... arent they?
17:25<TrueBrain>even backtracing it to the move from freenode
17:25<TrueBrain>they joined here.. but didn't say a word
17:25<TrueBrain>Lillefix: it is frustrating... they are watching every word we say
17:25<TrueBrain>who knows they are CIA or something!
17:25[~]TrueBrain enables his encryption...
17:25<TrueBrain>welcome Lillefix to this channel of paranoia! How can we help you today?
17:25[~]Lillefix hacks TrueBrains encryption
17:26[~]Lillefix is a part of Langleys organisation!
17:26<TrueBrain>a part? Poor soul!
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17:27[~]Lillefix listens... "Poor soul!" Sounds like a crimeplan to him...
17:27<TrueBrain>it is
17:27<TrueBrain>now I type in my CMD: HACK FBI
17:28<TrueBrain>(clearly I watched way too much Hackers)
17:28[~]Lillefix quickly calls his friend in the bureau!
17:29<SmatZ>I wonder, who for example qfh is - he/she/it is only at #openttd and has been idle fot 71,4 days - I think I didn't use Konversation before, so...
17:29<Smoovious>am I the only one who gets irritated watching "The Net", whenever the IP comes on the screen with one 'digit' above the 8-bit limit?
17:29[~]Lillefix has to visit the bathroom, but beware! He will always listen!
17:29<Rubidium>Smoovious: not only "The Net"
17:30<Smoovious>first one that came to mind
17:30<Smoovious>everyone else is watching the movie intently while I'm going "That's not even a valid IP!!!"
17:31<SmatZ>Smoovious: the movie with Sandra Bullock, where super-secret-access is granted after Ctrl+click at some image using regular web browser?
17:31<Smoovious>yeah, that's t he o ne
17:32<TrueBrain>@seen qfh
17:32<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: I have not seen qfh.
17:32<TrueBrain>lol, he NEVER talked
17:32<SmatZ>:-D
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17:32<TrueBrain>Smoovious: same as phone-numbers always start with 555- (in US movies), which is invalid
17:33<TrueBrain>@seen blazer
17:33<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: I have not seen blazer.
17:33<TrueBrain>@seen goddamnit
17:33<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: I have not seen goddamnit.
17:33<TrueBrain>@seen KageDragon
17:33<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: I have not seen KageDragon.
17:33<Rubidium>@seen me
17:33<@DorpsGek>Rubidium: I have not seen me.
17:33<TrueBrain>just 4 random names that never talked...
17:33<TrueBrain>@seen Rubidium
17:33<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: Rubidium was last seen in #openttd 7 seconds ago: <Rubidium> @seen me
17:33<Rubidium>@seen myself
17:33<@DorpsGek>Rubidium: I have not seen myself.
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17:33<Smoovious>555- is valid... technically... all 555-**** numbers go to directory assistance
17:34<TrueBrain>and when a movie uses some weird number in Bruce Almighty, it ends up with a guy that is going crazy about the calls asking if this is God
17:34<TrueBrain>stupid people
17:34<Rubidium>DorpsGek is, uhm, blind? Or he doesn't have a mirror...
17:34<TrueBrain>DorpsGek: indeed: he is blind
17:34<SmatZ>@seen naked_girls
17:34<@DorpsGek>SmatZ: I have not seen naked_girls.
17:34<TrueBrain>I did not equip DorpsGek with any optical sensors
17:35<Rubidium>then how could it have seen me?
17:35<SpComb>would that have any influence on the above?
17:35<TrueBrain>Rubidium: I did fake some optical sensors in a limited way
17:35<Rubidium>SpComb: yes
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17:36<Rubidium>it would have seen himself if it had a mirror and a vision system
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17:37<TrueBrain>so there... I am bored
17:37<TrueBrain>maybe I should get some sleep
17:38<Rubidium>nah
17:38<TrueBrain>boring activity
17:39<Rubidium>finish NoAI ;)
17:39<TrueBrain>NoAI.. pff :)
17:39<SpComb>DorpsGek is female and naked?
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17:39<TrueBrain>SpComb: only in your dreams
17:39<SpComb>that's what Rubidium claimed
17:39<TrueBrain>which is okay by me inf act
17:40<Rubidium>where did I claim DorpsGek is female and naked?
17:41<SmatZ>@seen DorpsGek
17:41<@DorpsGek>SmatZ: I have not seen DorpsGek.
17:41<SmatZ>he should at least hear himself
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17:42<SmatZ>SpComb: I was asking if he has ever seen a naked girls
17:42<SpComb><@DorpsGek> SmatZ: I have not seen naked_girls. < TrueBrain> I did not equip DorpsGek with any optical sensors < SpComb> would that have any influence on the above? < Rubidium> it would have seen himself if it had a mirror and a vision system
17:42<TrueBrain>SpComb: big mistake, thinking I was talking to SmatZ
17:43<SmatZ>ahhhh , I am a bit misunderstanting this debate :-)
17:44<@Bjarni><SmatZ> SpComb: I was asking if he has ever seen a naked girls <-- we are online. It's really unlikely if he haven't
17:44<@Bjarni>but
17:44<@Bjarni>it's an old joke
17:45<TrueBrain>and a bad one
17:45<@Bjarni>that too
17:45<TrueBrain>maybe we can even call it a really bad old joke
17:45<SpComb>@seen spoon
17:45<@DorpsGek>SpComb: I have not seen spoon.
17:45<TrueBrain>@seen a\ spoon
17:45<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: seen [<channel>] <nick>
17:45<SpComb>pfft, vastly inferior to patchbot
17:45<TrueBrain>:p
17:45<SmatZ>yes, it is an old and bad joke, but I smile everytime somebody does it
17:45[~]SmatZ <-- strange
17:45<TrueBrain>agreed
17:45<@Bjarni>totally
17:48<@Bjarni>@seen sanity
17:48<@DorpsGek>Bjarni: I have not seen sanity.
17:49<@Bjarni>I figured that since he is always in here
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17:57<CIA-2>OpenTTD: rubidium * r10931 /trunk/src/station.cpp: -Fix [FS#1131]: when a station was destroyed and a vehicle was still loading, changing the current order of the loading vehicle caused a crash. This could happen with removing docks and oil rigs.
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18:16<TrueBrain>Eddi|zuHause2: there is Belugas again :)
18:16<Eddi|zuHause2>good :)
18:16<Eddi|zuHause2>now he can tell me what he wanted to tell yesterday :)
18:17<@Belugas>hi :)
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18:30<Rubidium>evening Belugas ;)
18:30<TrueBrain>ngiht all
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18:54<@Belugas>hello guys :) sorry, i was taking care of my son :)
18:58<Eddi|zuHause2>family should always go first :)
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19:03<@Belugas>and with my wife around, you can be sure that family DOES come first :)
19:04<@Bjarni>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9lSR41cKsg <--- this is really awesome. It's some sort of tetris parady and it's likely way more fun than the game itself :D
19:05<Sacro>is this the one with real people?
19:05[~]Bjarni imagines the whole channel starts to watch this one
19:05<@Bjarni>no, it's a guy, who plays on a gameboy or something
19:05<@Bjarni>and the blocks acts up
19:06<Sacro>hahahahaa ><
19:06<Sacro>i love the purple blocks
19:06<@Bjarni>yeah
19:06<@Bjarni>it gets even better
19:07<@Bjarni>too bad the subtitles are so hard to read. They shouldn't be white :/
19:07<Sacro>hahahahaha ><
19:08[~]Sacro considers some codingf
19:08<Sacro>wtf
19:08<Sacro>a soybean :o
19:09<@Bjarni>I like how the 1x4 one falls out of the bottom and he lifts his gameboy to look for it
19:09<Sacro>course
19:09<Sacro>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Mqau7J2g5E
19:10<SmatZ>I remember when I player TTD a lot ... I saw whole (real) world in tiles - like placing my chair to the like next to the table tile etc. I was just placing thing on tiles like in TTD
19:10<@Bjarni>yeah, that's great as well
19:10<SmatZ>it was strange
19:11<@Bjarni>knowing you, I'm not surprised
19:12<@Bjarni>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYsDsEcfG0g <-- this one is awesome
19:13<Sacro>human tetris is just stupid
19:13<@Bjarni>but fun to watch
19:14<@Bjarni>but... I don't think it would be fun to watch for say 30 minutes
19:14<Sacro>well yes
19:15<@Bjarni>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQYNIh9x93Y <--- how did they do that???
19:17<Sacro>wtf :o
19:17<Sacro>Bjarni: that hurts my brain
19:18<Sionide>haha
19:18<@Bjarni>the thing is... AFAIK camera tricks aren't allowed in that show, so I really wonder how they did it
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19:18<Sionide>trap door on the stage where he *puts* the head down
19:18<Sionide>she gets in the head
19:18<Sionide>waits for him to drop into the trap door behind the clothes and climbs out through the shirt
19:18<Sionide>i watch too much jonathan creek
19:20<@Bjarni>doesn't look like a trapdoor. Also I don't think they would rebuild the stage for just one guy
19:20<@Bjarni>maybe she is in the head somehow
19:20<@Bjarni>yeah, the head is heavy and he carefully puts it down
19:21<Sionide>looks heavier than it should be
19:22<@Bjarni>hmm, how does she get though him...
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19:22<Sionide>she's in the front of the head and he goes behind it, but you can't see cos of his baggy clothes?
19:24<@Bjarni>ahh, his groin is not in the groin location in his cloth, so it makes room for her to get between his legs
19:24<@Bjarni>heh, we stole a magic secret :P
19:26<@Bjarni>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIkXeUEzC6Q <-- this one is good as well, even though it's not such a candid trick
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19:33<@Bjarni>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmUC039z7yA&NR=1 <-- yeah, she is in the head.... well.... they didn't have to show us though :p
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19:39<Sionide>pretty amazing still though
19:39<Sionide>i couldn't lift a girl of that age onto my head and walk around
19:51<@Bjarni>you couldn't get a girl of any age to be so close to both your head and your groin region :p
19:51<Eddi|zuHause2>this is getting nasty in here...
19:53<@Bjarni>hmm
19:53<@Bjarni>doesn't look like there are any other really good ones online :/
19:54<@Bjarni>figuring out what this is called in Japanese only resulted in the "solution" video and a few other ones, that aren't that good :/
19:54<@Bjarni>oh well
19:55<@Bjarni>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDR08RpDIkg <-- well, this one is also ok
19:55[~]Sacro compiles stuff
19:58<Sacro>bool GearboxGear::isEnabled()
19:58<Sacro>{
19:58<Sacro> return enabled;
19:58<Sacro>}
19:59<Sacro>that seems kinda pointless
19:59<@Bjarni>maybe not
19:59<@Bjarni>could be virtual stuff involved
19:59<Sacro>yeah, there is
19:59<Sacro>it all confuses me
20:00<@Bjarni>mission accomplished :D
20:00<+glx>or protected vars
20:00<Sacro>wtf is a .m file
20:00<@Bjarni>objective c
20:00<@Bjarni>what are you looking at?
20:01<Sacro>source code
20:01<@Bjarni>...
20:01<+glx>fg ?
20:01<Sacro>fg?
20:01<@Bjarni>fg ?
20:01<+glx>flightgear
20:01<Sacro>nope
20:02<Sacro>http://www.motorsport-sim.org/
20:02<@Bjarni>Sacro: you shouldn't ask what .m files are. They are in 0.5.2 and a whole lot of earlier releases
20:02<+glx>yeah I though about some car thing when reading better :)
20:02<@Bjarni>however truck uses .mm instead (objective C++)
20:02<Sacro>Bjarni: i don't tend to read OS specific files
20:02<Sacro>well
20:02<Sacro>i read the windows ones
20:02<Sacro>and SDL ones
20:02<Sacro>but not mac
20:04<@Bjarni>why?
20:04<Sacro>because i can't get OSX to run on my desktop
20:04<Sacro>it runs on my laptop, but i haven't got round to the 10.4.9 and 10.4.10 updates
20:05<Sacro>or installing my wifi drivers
20:05<@Bjarni>you don't need wifi
20:05[~]Bjarni disconnected the wifi antenna on the router
20:06<@Bjarni>didn't use it, so to ensure that it didn't open any backdoor
20:07<Sacro>mmm
20:07<Sacro>well the wired works
20:07<Sacro>wireless only on linux
20:07<Sacro>wired only on OSX
20:07<Sacro>only windows is happy to use either
20:08<@Bjarni>heh
20:08<@Bjarni>the distcc knoppix don't like my network card... makes it kind of pointless
20:09<@Bjarni>*doesn't
20:10<@Bjarni>headless server without network support....
20:10<Sacro>haha
20:10<Sacro>i might set up distcc
20:11<@Bjarni>it's cool
20:11<Sacro>actually, i can get access to the beowulf cluster at uni
20:11<@Bjarni>if it's used correctly
20:11<@Bjarni>you named your computers after Beowulf?
20:11<@Bjarni>cool
20:11<Sacro>no, but i'm thinking bout it
20:11<Sacro>currently i have "Desktop", "Laptop" and "Server"
20:13<@Bjarni>reminds me of a dome in Copenhagen. They named everything after norse mythology. Needless to say, the gateway to the internet was named after the rainbow (don't know it's name in English)
20:13<@Bjarni>Sacro: I bet Server is the laptop, just to confuse hackers
20:15<Sacro>ooh
20:15<Sacro>that'd be a neat idea
20:20<@Bjarni>goodnight
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20:22<Sacro>!seen Bjarni
20:22<_42_>Sacro, Bjarni (~Bjarni@0x50c79a9a.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) was last seen quitting #openttd.wt2 1 minute ago (19.08. 01:20) stating "Quit: Leaving" after spending some time there.
20:22<Sacro>i like leaving him messages :p
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20:56<Sacro>thar we go
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22:57<simon444>I am back!
23:00<simon444>guess what happened to me?
23:30<Smoovious>sodomized by a goat?
23:49<simon444>no
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