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02:21<dihedral>morning ladies
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02:29<N101>afternoon
02:31<Rubidium>afternoon? nah, not yet time for that yet :(
02:32<N101>bah its nearly dark
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04:23<@Bjarni>damn, you guys really don't feel like talking today
04:29<N101>lol
04:30<Sionide>i blame the split
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07:06<mackensen>hello
07:07<@TrueBrain>hi
07:07<mackensen>I'm playing with the latest nightly, and my trains aren't following their "service" orders anymore
07:12<mackensen>has anyone else had this problem?
07:14<SmatZ>yes, looks so
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07:20<SmatZ>just in the latest nightly?
07:20<SmatZ>there is the problem:
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07:22<SmatZ>ProcessTrainOrder() in case OT_GOTO_DEPOT test !VehicleNeedsService(v), where is VehicleHasDepotOrders(), where is if (order->type == OT_GOTO_DEPOT)
07:22<SmatZ>mmmmmm
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07:23<SmatZ>simply - vehicle won't use the "service at" order, when it has any goto_depot order
07:24<SmatZ>and "service at" order is kind of "goto_depot" order
07:24<SmatZ>at least
07:24<SmatZ>I think so...
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07:27<mackensen>I tested this in both old save games and new games
07:28<mackensen>a train with nothing but waypoints and service orders (for example) never gets serviced
07:28<mackensen>I'm seeing the problem in r11042 as well
07:29<SmatZ>mackensen: actually, I would guess you should have this problem for longer time
07:29<@peter1138>i'd guess you need a real station order
07:30<SmatZ>peter1138: it won't help
07:30<@peter1138>ok
07:30<@peter1138>i never used service orders, so
07:33<mackensen>it took me 1.5 game years to notice, at which point the train network had ground to a halt :(
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08:08<SmatZ>mackensen: will you open a bug report?
08:09<SmatZ>http://bugs.openttd.org/
08:09<SmatZ>if any dev is not working on it...
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08:12<SmatZ>(svn r11017) -Codechange: unify determining whether a vehicle needs/can be service a little more.
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09:33<@Bjarni>nice... at 12:23 I got an Email today, telling me to be at a certain location at 12:05
09:33<@Bjarni>and I didn't check my mail between 12:00 and now :P
09:33<@peter1138>THAT'S AN ORDERRRRRR
09:33<+glx>when was it send?
09:34<@Bjarni>looks like it was sent 11:47
09:34<@peter1138>well
09:34<@peter1138>you better get your arse into gear
09:35<@Bjarni>odds are that those guys already left
09:35<@Bjarni>besides.... I DON'T WANT TO BE IN THAT FREAKING GROUP
09:35<@peter1138>and they probably had a hundred grand waiting for you
09:35<@Bjarni>no
09:35<@Bjarni>they want money from me
09:36<Eddi|zuHause3>that can turn out very dangerous :p
09:36<@Bjarni>it's some people at uni, so it's likely that it's not as dangerous as it would be if they were from say Nigeria
09:37<@Bjarni>but still... they told me to show up and pay like 10 EUR for my ticket.... my ticket for what?
09:37<@Bjarni>I never ordered a ticket
09:37<@Bjarni>and I don't want a ticket
09:37<MrBrrr>lol
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09:39<MrBrrr>Gothic gathering? Vegans? Christian group? Which group is it?
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09:41<@Bjarni>it's a group of students
09:41<@Bjarni>but that's about all I know about them
09:41<@Bjarni>well, they appears to be mat/IT students
09:42<@Bjarni>but those people have invited me to meetings and stuff for ages and I have still to figure out who they are :P
09:42<@Bjarni>and why they want me
09:43<@Belugas>"I want you to want me"
09:43<@Belugas>"I need you to need me"
09:43<MrBrrr>Maybe you're renowned?
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09:44<@Bjarni>it's more like "there is a meeting at (location) tomorrow at something and it's mandatory to show up"
09:44<@Bjarni>but nobody complained about the fact that I never shows up :P
09:44<MrBrrr>Hmmm.
09:45<@Bjarni><MrBrrr> Maybe you're renowned? <--- well... I had to talk to a professor today and she said "hey, I know you"... yeah, but that was like 3 years ago we met the last time
09:46<@Bjarni>am I famous or something without knowing it?
09:46<@Bjarni>I'm famous in the OpenTTD world, but outside it???
09:46<@Bjarni>how did that happen? :)
09:47<frosch123>Some professors know everyone, who showed up at least three times in their lecture.
09:47<MrBrrr>Maybe they're all OpenTTD fans?
09:48<@Bjarni>I prefer to think of the last option as the real one, but I don't think it is :/
09:48<@Bjarni>I did see somebody at uni playing OTTD once though
09:48<MrBrrr>There you have it :)
09:49<@Bjarni>he had two stations with 3 tracks each and he had 3 tracks connecting those two stations. Each track had a depot of it's own
09:49<@Bjarni>when somebody asked him why he did it like that, he said "the trains will not leave the depot if they share tracks, so they have to be separated"
09:50[~]Bjarni quickly realised that it would take ages to help this guy. Time that could be better spent
09:50<MrBrrr>lol
09:50<frosch123>How many were watching him playing?
09:51<@Bjarni>3 or 4 people.... or 100% of the people in the computer room at the time
09:51<Eddi|zuHause3>i had a professor saying to me "you are a good student" :)
09:51<@Bjarni>it wasn't a busy moment
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09:52<MrBrrr>Did you record it?
09:52<Eddi|zuHause3>that professor had studied together with my father :)
09:52<Eddi|zuHause3>MrBrrr: i have witnesses :)
09:52<@Bjarni><EddizuHause3> i had a professor saying to me "you are a good student" :) <-- and what did you have to do to be told that???
09:52<MrBrrr>LOL
09:53<@Bjarni>I have been told stuff like that from students
09:53<Eddi|zuHause3>i'm not sure wat i did to deserve that, but i wanted a letter telling that i attended his lectures 3 years ago
09:54<@Bjarni>I think it was funny when an IT student said "I could sit here and look at the code for months and still not figure out the reason for this bug, or even the system of how it appeared"... the thing is that I'm not an IT student :P
09:54<@Bjarni>and it was a simple case of overflow
09:54<Eddi|zuHause3>which i got 3 years ago already, but sheets of paper magically disappear around here...
09:55<@Bjarni>in a program that could be printed on a single paper with normal size font
09:57<frosch123>Normally it is easier to rewrite such programs than finding a bug.
10:02<@Bjarni>well
10:02<@Bjarni>he wouldn't solve it by rewriting it :P
10:03<@Bjarni>basically it was an optimisation issue. byte + byte made an overflow and then it put the result into an int16, but it already discarded the overflow
10:04<@Bjarni>but... an IT student, who had to be told about the possibility of an overflow from a non-IT student....
10:04<@peter1138>student = not real world knowledge
10:05<@Bjarni>not always true
10:05<frosch123>To my experience, the best 5% of a IT-class are always non-IT students.
10:05<@Bjarni>heh
10:06<frosch123>Those who know about IT, often choose IT only as minor subject.
10:07<@Bjarni>reminds me of my compiler theory class. We were two non-IT students and we were in the same group (we had to form 2 people groups)... we didn't solve much stuff that nobody else solved and we used around the same time, but our solution was always different
10:07<@Bjarni>I'm not sure if it were better or worse, it was just different
10:08<frosch123>Non-IT students that sit in IT-lectures either have no clue at all or they belong to the best.
10:08<SmatZ>IT student != knows "how stuff works"
10:09<frosch123>Some choose IT as subject to learn how to use a mouse.
10:09<MrBrrr>lol
10:09<@Bjarni>that reminds me of when I started on uni
10:09<frosch123>But they usally leave after 6 semesters.
10:09<@Bjarni>we had to attend a mandatory lecture on how to use a computer
10:09<@Bjarni>like
10:09<@Bjarni>this is a mouse
10:09<@Bjarni>this is a file
10:09<frosch123>Though they never visited a non-beginner lecture
10:09<@Bjarni>double clicking the text file opens it
10:09<@Bjarni>and so on
10:10<SmatZ>:-D
10:10<@peter1138>:o
10:11<@Bjarni>for at least 95% of the people in there, it was a waste of time. For those 2 or 3 people, who actually needed it... well it went on so fast that they didn't learn anything
10:12<@Bjarni>but we were all there because it was mandatory. It was an into course and we had to pass, but we never really needed to prepare, so just showing up and listen was nearly enough to pass
10:13<@Bjarni>oh, the best part: the lecture was about windows, but the uni uses Solaris :P
10:16<SmatZ>:-)
10:20<MrBrrr>If you're not an IT student, in what field did you study?
10:20<@Bjarni>electronics
10:20<MrBrrr>Ooooh :)
10:21<@Bjarni>it's somewhat different from what it was 10 years ago
10:22<MrBrrr>Maybe a little bit.
10:23<@Bjarni>until fairly recently, you could actually build your own stuff and make it fairly good compared to commercial stuff without writing a single line of code
10:23<@Bjarni>today you will have to code
10:23<@Bjarni>or make simple stuff
10:23<@Bjarni>well
10:23<@Bjarni>I mean in the digital world
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10:23<@Bjarni>you can still do a lot of stuff in analogue electronics without coding
10:24<MrBrrr>Which is good :)
10:24<@Bjarni>I mean stuff like voltage stabilisers and stuff can be made fairly complex and still not need coding
10:24<@Bjarni>I know you have a decent one
10:25<@Bjarni>you just call it a PSU, but it's actually a transformer giving out different voltages and then voltage stabilisers
10:25[~]SmatZ prefers designed digital circuits ... no coding ... sometimes analog :)
10:25<@Bjarni>imagine how the CPU would react on say 20 volt spikes :P
10:26<SmatZ>you have stabilisers on MB too :)
10:27<@Bjarni>hehe, I once got the assignment to improve the design of a 12 V to 24 V DC converter. Some students had designed it and in theory it works, but it could produce 1500 V spikes
10:27<@Bjarni>so theory and real life doesn't always go hand in hand
10:27<SmatZ>too bad
10:28<@Bjarni>the issue was that the wires were too long, so it added resistance to a low resistance circuit, so the difference between the calculated resistance and the actual resistance was too big for comfort
10:28<SmatZ>what was the problem? did he use voltage aplifiers as comparators?
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10:29<SmatZ>aha
10:29[~]SmatZ told a strange thing ... hmmm
10:29<frosch123>Ideal operation amplifiers are always handy.
10:29<@Bjarni>and since it was based on the switch mode idea, the wrong resistance gave it wrong timing
10:30<@Bjarni>yeah
10:30<@Bjarni>I once built an ideal diode
10:30<@Bjarni>it needed two op-amps and a shitload of "normal" diodes, resistors and capacitors
10:31<SmatZ>:-)
10:31<@Bjarni>but it was damn close to ideal
10:32<@Bjarni>negative input died and it opened at like 0,02 V (or was it even less... can't remember)
10:32<@Bjarni>and it was fairly fast too (because we bought the wrong op-amps :P )
10:32<SmatZ>I would need some time to remember all those things ... but isn't enough for "ideal-diode" one ideal op-amp and 3 resistors?
10:33<@Bjarni>where would you buy an ideal op-amp?
10:34<frosch123>Can't they be found everywhere on the street?
10:34<SmatZ>I dont know, we learn only theory... I am an IT student, sadly
10:34<MrBrrr>heh
10:35<SmatZ>dce.felk.cvut.cz/es/skripta/OZ_nel_imp_apl.ppt ... page 3
10:35<svip>:3
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10:49<@Bjarni>ohh, at one time an IT student told me that IT students are better because they learn programming and electronics while I only learn electronics (I do have programming as well, but he didn't know/didn't care). He didn't care either that we have electronics at different levels
10:50<@Bjarni>I never see him anymore for some reason
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10:51<@Bjarni>SmatZ: that's an interesting powerpoint doc. I can't read the text, but I know what it is about based on diagrams alone
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10:53<@Bjarni>basically it tells about certain issues and possible solutions to them
10:53<@Bjarni>all the issues are somewhat related into the same fundamental issue, which is the ideal/non-ideal op-amp, diode and so on
10:54<@Bjarni>did you all leave?
10:55<@Bjarni>great
10:55[~]Bjarni decides to be noisy
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11:02<@Bjarni>at this rate, I will be the supreme leader in a few minutes :P
11:05<SmatZ>Bjarni: I am sorry, I was very hungry
11:05<SmatZ>so I went to have a "dinner" = roll + salame + beer
11:06<SmatZ>:-)
11:06<SmatZ>actually, it took you 15 minutes to reply, I am here sooner
11:06<SmatZ>but you are away again...
11:06<@Bjarni>no I'm not
11:07<@Bjarni>I just wonder about cultural differences
11:07<SmatZ>It is a bit different document than we had...a bit newer
11:07<@Bjarni>I would never call anything like that dinner
11:07<SmatZ>I do not have real dinner usually
11:08<@Bjarni>are you fat?
11:08<SmatZ>no
11:08<SmatZ>maybe 1 or 2 kg more than I should have, but no fat...
11:08<@Bjarni>then I guess you are really skinny and single
11:08<SmatZ>no...
11:09<SmatZ>79kg, 176cm, 22 years (omg so old :) , with a gf...
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11:09<@peter1138>no, i am :D
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11:09<@Bjarni>hehe
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11:10[~]Bjarni notes that SmatZ is a youngster
11:10<SmatZ>http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2187&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=1820 <--- the bottommost post
11:10<@peter1138>who isn't around here?
11:10<@Bjarni>the developers
11:10<yorick>hmm... master server is down?
11:11<Eddi|zuHause3>looks that way
11:11<yorick>openttd.org
11:11<Nickman>hi all
11:11<SmatZ>hi
11:11<Eddi|zuHause3>at least TrueBrain et al. timed out a few minutes ago
11:11<yorick>hi
11:13<@Bjarni>oh shit
11:13<@Bjarni>we can live without the web server
11:13<@Bjarni>and the master server
11:13<@Bjarni>but the svn server???
11:13<@Bjarni>:(
11:13<yorick>down too
11:13<Eddi|zuHause3>ain't there a secret backup server?
11:14<@Bjarni>yeah
11:14<@Bjarni>it's offline
11:14<@Bjarni>but it's a backup in case the main svn server crashes
11:14<Nickman>what is wrong?
11:14<@Bjarni>we lost contact to NNL
11:14<@Bjarni>*NL
11:14<Nickman>ouch
11:15<@Bjarni>so we basically lost everything that has anything to do with openttd.org
11:15<Eddi|zuHause3>probably the entire country got obducted by aliens :p
11:15<@Bjarni>and I don't know why
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11:15<SmatZ>Bjarni: about the electro document -> we were considering only ideal op-amp... and we were told they are all "almost-ideal"
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11:15<yorick>nightly server isnt down:)
11:15<@Bjarni>the guy to answer what happened... well we lost the connection to him too
11:16<Eddi|zuHause3>yorick: wiki and stuff is probably in hungary
11:17<@Bjarni><SmatZ> Bjarni: about the electro document -> we were considering only ideal op-amp... and we were told they are all "almost-ideal" <--- not true... if you need an ideal one, then you will notice that they will leak current into the input. The resistance isn't infinitive like in the ideal one
11:18<mcbane>hmm in ottd.notice belugas truebrain _42_ and dropsegeek timouted at same time.
11:18<@Bjarni>you might encounter cases where the leak current will drop the voltage on the input and if it amplifies say 50 times, then even a minor drop is really noticeable on the output
11:18<SmatZ>Bjarni: yes, well, we were told this too... also, this is the reason that in some applications, some more complex circuit must be used...
11:19<@Bjarni>like an input buffer
11:19<SmatZ>yes
11:20<SmatZ>I don't know, but when I image a simple input buffer... then yes :)
11:20<@Bjarni>also there is a delay on the output... download a datasheet for an op-amp and you will notice they write stuff to tell about the input leak, the max V/sec change in output and stuff like that
11:21<@Bjarni>basically an input buffer is an op-amp designed to amplify 1 or -1 and it should have a really low input leak
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11:27<yorick>openttd.org back:)
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11:39<Wolf01>hello
11:40<@Bjarni>hi Wolf01
11:45<svip>O_O Hello, Bjarni.
11:46<svip>Any news on the Star Demonstration?
11:46<@Bjarni>???
11:46<svip>You know.
11:46<@Bjarni>Star Demonstration?
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11:46<@Bjarni>people don't want to have stars in the night sky anymore?
11:46<svip>Ungdomshuset is holding their "Star Demonstration" today.
11:47<@Bjarni>oh
11:47<@Bjarni>well
11:47<svip>o_o Which will begin from 69 addresses around Copenhagen.
11:47<@Bjarni>they just said on the news that they all meet on Blågards plads right now
11:47<svip>Berlingske wrote "stjernedemonstration", so I thought the only appropriate translation.
11:48<svip>Ah.
11:48<Eddi|zuHause3>"Good women do 70 chores around the house... cooking, and 69."
11:48<svip>o_O That is not the reason why it is 69, Eddi|zuHause3.
11:49<@Bjarni>I don't think they mind that number though
11:49<svip>lol true.
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12:17<Wolf01>there's a way to automatically add the svn:eol-style and svn:keywords properties to the new files?
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12:17<svip>o_o
12:18<svip>But do you really want to do that?
12:18<Wolf01>yes i want
12:18<svip>o_o As I understand it... you are attempting to move over to a hg system.
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12:18<Eddi|zuHause3>Wolf01: modify the default values?
12:19<Wolf01>uhm, where are on the server? :P
12:19<Eddi|zuHause3>how should i know :p
12:20<@Belugas>i remember it is possible to do so with Tortoise. dunno how, just that it is posible
12:20<@Belugas>on svn, i really have no idea.
12:21<Wolf01>i'm doing it by hand as you teached to me, but sometime i forget it, and ALWAYS other devs forget it :D
12:21<Eddi|zuHause3>make a script?
12:22<Wolf01>i should stay away from the scripts, until i learn how to do at least simple things without breaking all (also if the debug without real actions worked)
12:23<Wolf01>whatever, dinner time :P
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12:35<@Belugas>windows socket error 10048. nice one to catch why it is raised :(
12:36<Wolf01>happens..
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12:37<@Belugas>i'm trying to find why it happens at a customer site
12:37<svip>:) Windows is fun, Belugas.
12:38<@Belugas>wow... 8 minute dinenr time... you're making progress, Wolf01 :D
12:38<@Belugas>svip, depends on your definition of fun
12:38<svip>Indeed.
12:38<svip>We joke a lot about Vista at uni.
12:38<Wolf01>The Windows Socket Error 10048 occurs when an application is unable to open a TCP/IP socket for communications with another application or computer. Normally, list indicates that the TCP/IP protocol is not available, or the desired port number for the socket is already in-use.
12:39<svip>In fact, we have come up with a theory, Belugas, that you can put Vista in any scenario, and that scenario becomes funny.
12:39<@Belugas>on a personnal computer, Wolf01, it is easy to catch.
12:39<@Belugas>on a business server one, it is a little more tricky :(
12:40<@Belugas>i would not run vista on a business machine. we're still using XP
12:40<svip>And why would you be running a server on Windows?
12:40<Wolf01>me
12:40<svip>Wouldn't it be easier to shoot yourself in the foot?
12:40<Wolf01>*ehm
12:40<svip>And cheaper.
12:40<Eddi|zuHause3>for physical education, svip :p
12:40<svip>Physical indeed.
12:41<Eddi|zuHause3>"how do you recognise windows administrators?" - "they wear sneakers."
12:41<@Belugas>in our kind of business, a server is a dedicated machine with lots of ram/hd and cpu power
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12:41<@Belugas>running sql databases, mostly
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12:52<@Bjarni><svip> We joke a lot about Vista at uni. <-- we have jokes about windows in general
12:53<@Bjarni>well, it's more like known facts
12:53<@Bjarni>in short: don't use it
12:55<svip>Indeed.
12:55<@peter1138>in short: jokes/comments about windows are FUCKING BORING
12:55<svip>Bjarni: http://83.90.32.114/spil/
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12:57<@Bjarni>hehe "he has a last name nobody can spell, so why he bought a domain name with that name is beyond me"
12:57<@Bjarni>now that sounds useful :P
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12:58<svip>:O My laptop logged on by itself.
12:59<svip>o_O
12:59<blathijs>What's next? Will it take over the world on its own?
12:59<@Bjarni>is it running windows?
12:59<svip>Of course not.
12:59<svip>I don't own anything that runs Windows.
13:00<@Bjarni>then it has a chance for taking over the world
13:00<svip>I only run Windows where it is safe.
13:00<svip>Inside a VM.
13:00<svip>If something goes wrong.
13:00<svip>You can always escape.
13:00<svip>And you are back in Linux.
13:00<svip>And you breath freely again.
13:01<MrBrrr>lol
13:01<@Bjarni>lol is the wrong reply
13:01<@Bjarni>he is being serious
13:01<svip>True is the correct reply.
13:01<svip>Nodding in agreement is acceptable as well.
13:02<svip>Bjarni, did you see the code naked?
13:03<@Bjarni>you see it naked too?
13:03<svip>;o Yes.
13:03<@Bjarni>I thought it was my "no cloth" plugin
13:04<@Bjarni>would be a first time that it ever worked
13:04<@Bjarni>what am I supposed to do with it?
13:04<@Bjarni>it's a bunch of python lines
13:04<svip>It's the source code of the website.
13:05<@Bjarni>oh
13:05<@Bjarni>hehe
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13:05<@Bjarni>I wondered if I downloaded it and executed it, it might display ASCII nudity or something
13:05<svip>:P
13:06<@Bjarni>needless to say: I didn't really read the code
13:07<@Bjarni>Wij kregen mensen al manier van Nederland <--- I wonder what will happen when the Dutch read that you wrote this :P
13:07<@Bjarni>and stole their flag
13:08<@Bjarni>hmm
13:08<@Bjarni>where are all the Dutch people of this channel when you need them :P
13:08<@Bjarni>bbl
13:11<blathijs>hmm?
13:12<blathijs>Bjarni: That's not even valid dutch, I think?
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13:35<@Bjarni>back
13:36<@Bjarni> <blathijs> Bjarni: That's not even valid dutch, I think? <--- I will trust you on this one. I think it's written by some Dane
13:37<svip>Anyone worked with DOM?
13:37<@Bjarni>what is DOM?
13:38<svip>Bjarni: XML?
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13:39<@Bjarni>when I was going to learn about XML, the other students wanted to learn something else.... 1 vs everybody else... I have yet to learn it :(
13:39<@Bjarni>odds are that I might do it without a teacher :/
13:40<@Bjarni>eventually
13:40<@Bjarni>svip: do you really meet once a week to code games?
13:40<svip>Yes.
13:41<svip>Well... the coding games part perhaps not as much.
13:41<svip>But really do meet once a week.
13:41<@Bjarni>it's more testing games
13:41<@Bjarni>mainly other people's games, right?
13:41<@Bjarni>:P
13:41<svip>Nope.
13:41<@Bjarni>hmm
13:41<svip>It more doing uni stuff.
13:42<@Bjarni>beer every Tuesday....
13:42<svip>Or working on unrelated projects.
13:42<svip>It is mainly coffee and coke.
13:43<@Bjarni>it would be more fun if you really did code games
13:44<svip>Well we do.
13:44<@Bjarni>but I can see if you have assignments doing lisp, ml and stuff, then there is no room for fun
13:45<svip>:P
13:45<svip>Right now.
13:45<svip>I just want some DOM expert.
13:45<@Bjarni>actually ml is kind of fun
13:45<svip>Cause I am having a problem with my textnode.
13:45<@Bjarni>but different
13:45<svip>I want all text within a node, despite their being tags.
13:45<svip>Can't I get some sort of raw output?
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13:46<@Bjarni>don't look at me
13:47<@Bjarni>for me, coding problems is either trains, that fails to be replaced or robots driving into walls
13:47<svip>:O
13:48<svip>Are you studying computer science?
13:48<@Bjarni>no
13:48<svip>:O Then what?
13:48<@Bjarni>electronics
13:48<svip>o_O You can study that?
13:48<@Bjarni>doing stuff you refer to as "hardware"
13:49<svip>Oh...
13:49<svip>The crap job.
13:50<@Bjarni><svip> o_O You can study that? <-- no.... nobody learns anything about this and then some people, who has no idea what they are doing puts some stuff together and hopes for the best. Once in a while it works and a new product is born
13:50<blathijs>no, the fun yob :-)
13:51<@Bjarni>if you make a mistake in some code, you get weird output on the screen. If you make a mistake in hardware, you get sparks and/or smoke
13:51<svip>o_o That would be more fun.
13:51<svip>But a lot more expensive.
13:51<@Bjarni>reminds me of two students in the lab next to me once.... they didn't become very popular after they connected a 5 volt chip to 30 volts
13:52<@Bjarni>the fact that they did it again didn't help
13:52<@Bjarni>are you aware of how much smoke and foul smell they can put into those tiny black boxes???
13:52<blathijs>:-)
13:53<blathijs>I did connect 18V to 5V chips once, but they only did weird things, not including any smoke or fire...
13:53<@Bjarni>the stupid part is that it was actually protected against having too high spikes, but since they turned it on and kept it on, the protection overheated
13:54<blathijs>hehe
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14:05<Eddi|zuHause3>there goes nothing above fried chips :p
14:07<@Bjarni>well
14:08<@Bjarni>you aren't allowed to get fat if you deal with robots... it can result in races when a bug turns up. Who will get to the wall first
14:08<@Bjarni>or "can you catch the robot before the robot catches the wall"
14:11<blathijs>What kind of robots are they?
14:11<Eddi|zuHause3>you have the wrong kind of walls for these projects then :p
14:12<@Bjarni>wheeled robots
14:20<ln->http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa211/DarkRix/NinMeillSomerollaEhkLaitonKujetus.jpg
14:21<@Bjarni>I think that's a good example of when "drive carefully" would fit :P
14:24<@Bjarni>ln-: is that typical Finnish driving?
14:24<@Bjarni>or is he finish driving?
14:25<Eddi|zuHause3>i have trouble loading the picture...
14:25<@Bjarni>it's a guy with two trailers on his car
14:26<@Bjarni>connected very untraditionally
14:26<Eddi|zuHause3>i don't think that is very legal :p
14:27<@Bjarni>there are some big pipes on them. The front one has the pipes tired to the trailer really good... the same goes for the last one
14:27<@Bjarni>and it looks like the two trailers are only connected with the pipes
14:28<@Bjarni>and the car is stopped
14:28<@Bjarni>and there is also a stopped police car :P
14:30<Eddi|zuHause3>your descriptive skills scare me :p
14:31<@Bjarni>why?
14:33<Eddi|zuHause3>because it's like i have the picture right in front of me now...
14:33<Eddi|zuHause3>wait... i do :p
14:35<@Bjarni>you finished downloading the image NOW?
14:35<@Bjarni>are you on 14.4 or something?
14:36[~]Belugas is on coffein
14:37[~]Belugas wish he was is on a tropical island instead
14:37<@Bjarni>Belugas: http://www.poptop.com/Tropico.htm
14:38<Wolf01>http://www.philo.de/xml/ aaaaaaargh
14:39<Wolf01>i love tropico, i have both the first and the second, but not the expansions
14:40<@Bjarni>I don't like how they are hardcoded for 4:3 screens
14:42<@Belugas>well... i was rather thinking of stuff like this -> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5700366886765810234 <- than yet another keyboard /compuer stuff :(
14:42<Eddi|zuHause3>get a holodeck :p
14:43<CIA-1>OpenTTD: richk * r11051 /branches/NewGRF_ports/ (3 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
14:43<CIA-1>OpenTTD: [NewGRF_ports] -Feature: Added SHORT TAKEOFF capability.
14:43<CIA-1>OpenTTD: If current state is TAKEOFF, and aircraft is SHORT_STRIP capable, then it performs the TAKEOFF action and switches to SMALLSTARTTAKEOFF heading.
14:43<CIA-1>OpenTTD: Translation is made of the aircraft heading, such that if the large version is
14:43<CIA-1>OpenTTD: encountered when the aircraft is looking for the SMALL version, it acts on the
14:43<CIA-1>OpenTTD: large version. This does NOT happen the other way around. A large aircraft will
14:43<CIA-1>OpenTTD: not react to a small aircraft state.
14:44<mcbane>yay
14:45<@Belugas>Eddi|zuHause3 NOOO!!! I want to be with that whale! I know i can be !! I NEED TO BE!@!!
14:47<@Bjarni>some people are with a whale every day
14:47<@Bjarni>some people are even married to one :P
14:49<Wezz6400>argh
14:49<Wezz6400>you think someone is a nice guy
14:49<Wezz6400>then you find out he's a microsoft fanboy -_-
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14:50<@Bjarni>that sucks
14:50<mcbane>yay
14:50<mcbane>ups
14:51<Wezz6400>and I'm not exactly an anti-microsoft guy or anything
14:51<@Bjarni>reminds me of a guy, who told me he made a friend and then it turned out that this guy was deep into science tology and that's why he asked me if I was interested in them because he didn't want to experience that again
14:51<@Belugas>i'm a comupter guy. Who cares on which platform it is done
14:52<@Belugas>as long as the job is done!
14:52<@Bjarni>and now it looks like you tried something similar
14:52<Wezz6400>hehe
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14:52<Wezz6400>well I happen to know there's some people on this channel who are not too fond of windows, seemed like a good place to rant without waking up other ms fanboys ;)
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14:56<skidd13>hi
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14:58<Eddi|zuHause3>haha :p
14:58<@Belugas>i'm not a FAN as per say, but I use it daily, at work and at home. IT starts to get a tiny little bit ennoying and boring of constantly see ranting about ms
14:58<@Belugas>i mean... you can rant aobut it if yu are forced to use it and you don't like it
14:58<@Belugas>if you do not use it, don't rant about ti
14:58<@Belugas>as simple as that
14:59<@Belugas>does it makle sens?
14:59<Wezz6400>well
14:59<@Bjarni>hmm... I just saw a huge spider... I mean really huge... hand sized huge, so went to get the camera and now I can't find it anymore
14:59<@Bjarni>it's in here... somewhere
14:59<Wezz6400>I wouldn't say windows is bad, well not anymore
14:59<Wezz6400>However, I would'n say it's good either
15:00<@Bjarni>but where...
15:00<skidd13>I for example have to use MS at work, cause the CAD-Software requests it that way. So I have no chance.
15:01<skidd13>The damned thing is the ~4 GB RAM limit. Its damned anoying to fight with big files. :(
15:01<Wezz6400>memory or hdd space?
15:01<skidd13>memory usage.
15:01<Phazorx>since when cad software is win bound?
15:02<Wezz6400>well that's not so much a windows issue as it's a 32bit issue afaik
15:02<@Bjarni>FOUND IT
15:02<skidd13>Since the developer of it programms it that way. And I have to use it cause of compatibility reasons.
15:02<SmatZ>Bjarni: do you have big spiders home? scary!
15:04<@Bjarni>it appears that it too wanted ADSL... at least it's sitting on the phone cable box
15:04<@Bjarni><SmatZ> Bjarni: do you have big spiders home? scary! <-- there is a first time for everything
15:04[~]Wezz6400 gives Bjarni a newspaper ;)
15:05<@Bjarni>and... the phone cable box is behind a lot of stuff, so now I can't get to it... looks like I will have a big spider in the house for a little while longer
15:05<@Bjarni>fuck, now it's gone again
15:06<@Bjarni>I noticed because I HEARD movement
15:06<@Bjarni>this can prove to be an interesting night
15:08<SmatZ>oh no, don't kill that poor spidy :(
15:08<@Bjarni>now it's completely gone
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15:09<@Bjarni>it could be interesting when I go to bed
15:09<@Bjarni>and hear it move around
15:09<Wezz6400>spiders are good
15:09<@Bjarni>yeah
15:09<Wezz6400>they kill other bugs
15:09<@Bjarni>I have spiders and I tend not to remove them
15:09<Phazorx>and they are quiet
15:09<@Bjarni>and then I have nothing but spiders
15:09<mcbane>depends on the spider size =P
15:10<@Bjarni> <Phazorx> and they are quiet <--- yeah, but I have the biggest spider that I have ever seen and I actually heard it move
15:10<Phazorx>mcbane: big ones are relatively quite too
15:10<SmatZ>my friend had several spiders home, at terarium. They were really big and few times one got lost. It took days to find him. I doubt I would sleep in that house when there is a big, toxic spider somewhere...
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15:10<@Bjarni>it touched something that made a noise
15:10<Phazorx>SmatZ: big ones are usualy not toxic
15:10<Phazorx>they dont really ened it
15:11<Phazorx>Bjarni: perhaps it was prey :)
15:11<@Bjarni>that's possible
15:11<Wezz6400>yeah
15:11<Wezz6400>mice tend to make noise when being captured
15:11<@Bjarni>it's not a web using spider... it just run damn fast and catch the prey
15:11<SmatZ>:-D Wezz6400
15:12<Phazorx>there are no spiders that hunt mice... there are very few that can fight it
15:12<Phazorx>in general mamals are not on spiders menu
15:12<Wezz6400>Phazorx orly? :D
15:12<mcbane>they can kinda screech.
15:12<SmatZ>Phazorx: do you have some spiders, too?
15:12<@Bjarni>Wezz6400: depends on how they are captured.... snap and then no noise also happens
15:12<Phazorx>there are some that hunt fish and eggs but that's as far as it goes...
15:12<Phazorx>and as far as making noise goes - they can not really
15:13<Wezz6400>Bjarni well they do make noise while being captured, however the snap of the trap is so loud you don't hear it :P
15:13<Phazorx>SmatZ: well i live in a house, in residental area
15:13<Phazorx>sometimes i have to step other racoon or skunk wghen entering my door
15:13<Phazorx>spiders would be least of my concern :)
15:13<@Bjarni>ohh, I know a guy, who had a rat problem and the rats kept out of the traps, but could manage to get to the food nomatter how well it was protected. As a last resort, he waited in the kitchen after dark and when they arrived, he shot one of them with his hunting rifle and all the other rats fleed and was never seen again
15:13<Phazorx>and i know i have plenty
15:13<@Bjarni>but he shot a rat on the kitchen floor
15:14<SmatZ>Phazorx: what an exotic country :)
15:14<Phazorx>Bjarni: he got lacky actualy they could have attecked
15:14<Phazorx>SmatZ: that's actualy outskirts of a large city :)
15:14<Phazorx>but i have sheep pasture 50 meters from here
15:14<Phazorx>and 10M people within 50km :)
15:15<Eddi|zuHause3>i often have a few web-spiders around here
15:15<@Bjarni><Phazorx> Bjarni: he got lacky actualy they could have attecked <-- he had more than one shot and he might also have had a knife... not to mention the dogs appeared when stuff happened
15:15<Phazorx>webspiders are pretty much part of human habitat
15:15<Eddi|zuHause3>they are usually in the window or something
15:15<Phazorx>since most things that humans do attract insects
15:15<SmatZ>Bjarni: a bit crazy guy, didn't he damage his floor?
15:16<@Bjarni>I don't recall any damage to the floor
15:16<Phazorx>i cant really see anything larger than a bb gun suited for rat huunting
15:16<@Bjarni>he is a professional hunter... he knew what he was doing
15:16<Phazorx>especialy rifle round, used in locked space
15:17<Phazorx>he must have used grapes, cuz bullet would be either famaging or dangerous depending on nature of floor
15:17<SmatZ>in some cartoon tales, people get rid of rats by loud music...
15:17<Phazorx>still tho, not the best idea imho... i guess he was kinda pissed
15:17<@Bjarni>but it goes with the story that nobody would have noticed a minor damage to the floor since the dogs had their way with it already
15:18<SmatZ>didn't the dogs catch the rats?
15:18<@Bjarni><Phazorx> still tho, not the best idea imho... i guess he was kinda pissed <--- it was more like: nothing else worked so far
15:18<Phazorx>dogs must have taken care of it actualy
15:18<Phazorx>strange rats you have there
15:18<@Bjarni><SmatZ> didn't the dogs catch the rats? <--- when the dog appeared, the rats ran away. When the dog left, the rats were back in the food
15:18<Phazorx>sure some of them werent wearig panzers and been green with weird italian names?
15:19<@Bjarni>I don't think anybody ask them for their names
15:19<@Bjarni>well, it's possible that the dogs took one once in a while
15:19<Phazorx>than was TNMT refence :)
15:20<@Bjarni>but the rats somehow managed anyway
15:20<@Bjarni>hmm
15:21<@Bjarni>now that I think about it, they did remove the floor afterwards because they learned that the rats might have been under it. Any damage to it might have been fixed by replacing the floor before I saw it
15:21<@Bjarni>but it's kind of interesting that just because one of them was shot, the rest fled the house
15:21<@Bjarni>to never return to it again
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15:34<Wolf01>'night
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16:18<skidd13>Never trust a nice looking photo : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7pVLCxqo2s :D
16:21<svip>:O
16:22<@Bjarni>while we are at surprising videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c05T0VK2ytI&NR=1
16:23<@Bjarni>this is the approach to one of the hardest airports to land in in the world
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16:24<Red>That chick has a huge runway
16:25<Phazorx>i was thking one at st lucia and st thomes was hardest ever for full sized planes
16:26<@Bjarni>this one doesn't allow full sized planes
16:26<Red>this one barely allows small planes
16:26<@Bjarni>and it has a "window" for landing/takeoff every morning or the visibility is too poor
16:27<@Bjarni>you see, they do this on what they can see only. They disable the electronic help because if they didn't, it would just scream "PULL UP" all the time
16:27<Phazorx>spunds liek a hard to get place
16:27<Phazorx>perhaps RR would be abetter choice
16:27<@Bjarni>It's Bhutan
16:27<Phazorx>koran does not prohibit rails
16:28<@Bjarni>it's between India and Tibet
16:28<@Bjarni>not a nice location for railroads
16:28<@Bjarni>too steep
16:28<@Bjarni>oh, and next to Nepal as well
16:29<Red>that's just north of mexico, right?
16:29<@Bjarni>err
16:29<Phazorx>most of population is islamic i meant...
16:29<@Bjarni>something like that :P
16:29<Phazorx>and landscape is not too raod friendly indeed
16:29<Phazorx>but it is much cheaper than planes
16:29<Phazorx>Red is showing his US citizenship
16:29<@Bjarni> <Phazorx> most of population is islamic i meant... <-- considering they don't know how many people, who live there, how would you figure out the % of them to believe in Islam?
16:30<Phazorx>that's Belize there :)
16:30<@Bjarni>think think there are between 600k and 2,3 million, but they aren't sure
16:30<@Bjarni>besides I actually think they are Buddhists
16:30<Phazorx>Bjarni: take any random number of separated people and count percentages
16:30<@Bjarni>hehe, spelling checker asked if I meant nudists :D
16:30<Phazorx>a former coworker of mine was from there
16:31<Red>Bjarni: pretty much the same thing
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16:31<@Bjarni>really?
16:31[~]Bjarni considers converting to Buddhism
16:31<Red>they both eat tacos don't they?
16:32<@Bjarni>err
16:32<@Bjarni>no
16:32<Red>oh, I am thinking about russians
16:32[~]Bjarni stops considering
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16:32<svip>Yeah, Red.
16:33<svip>You do appear red.
16:33<svip>So no wonder you're thinking about the Russians.
16:33<@Bjarni>but the main religion in Russia aren't nudism....
16:34<@Bjarni>actually they are orthodox
16:34[~]Bjarni wonders if Red knows what orthodox is
16:35<Phazorx>considering belize and bhitan are samething probably not
16:36<@Bjarni>it's Bhutan, not bhitan :P
16:37<@Bjarni>hmm
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16:37<Phazorx>it's a typo
16:37<@Bjarni>bh is short for bra in Danish, u is short for without and tan is... well tan, so is Bhutan short for "bra to protect against tanning"?
16:38<svip>"tan" is tan in Danish?
16:38<svip>When did this happen?
16:38<@Bjarni>I didn't say that
16:39<svip>:/ And besides.
16:39<svip>It would be "bra without tanning".
16:40<@Bjarni>yeah
16:40<@Bjarni>so it protects against tanning
16:40<@Bjarni>don't you have any linguistic skills?
16:41<svip>Why would it?
16:41<svip>It could also mean without tanning protection.
16:41<TrueBrain>yeah! I finished Blue Dragon :) WHOHO!
16:41<svip>The acronym is vague.
16:43<@Bjarni>I disagree
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16:44<@Bjarni>first he didn't know how the world looks like, now he is unsure of his own name
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16:56<Elweel>hi
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17:00<@Bjarni>hi Elweel
17:00<@Bjarni>who are you? :)
17:00<@Bjarni>I don't recall seeing you before
17:02<Elweel>it's the first time that i am here
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17:04<Elweel>i was looking for a good grf list for openttd, but i found one already
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17:08<Elweel>hm, does anyone know of a water replacement grf that works properly with openttd?
17:10<Phazorx>newwater works half decent
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17:10<Phazorx>aside of some corner tiles
17:12<Elweel>yes, that's my problem
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17:13<Phazorx>i dont know of a better solutuion
17:13<Phazorx>but there are at least 2-3 different newwater pacthes
17:13<Phazorx>some look better than others
17:20<@Bjarni>use nightly builds if you are found of newGRF
17:21<@Bjarni>basically it has way better newGRF support. It might be more buggy though, so don't overwrite your savegames in case something goes wrong
17:21<Phazorx>it still has funky corner edges Bjarni
17:22<skidd13>good night
17:22<@Bjarni>I don't know about that. I talked about newGRF in general
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17:22<@Bjarni>actually I don't think I ever tried a water replacement grf
17:22<@Bjarni>it just never came up with the stuff I do
17:23<Ammller>Bjarni: its a really nice replacement
17:24<Ammller>http://www.tt-forums.net/download.php?id=74696
17:24<Elweel>i already use a nightly build for all the fancy newgrfs :D
17:24<Ammller>http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=21365&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
17:25<Ammller>and that is how it looks in OpenTTD: http://openttdcoop.ppcis.org/blog/files/downloads/grfpacks/screens/newwater.png
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20:17<ThePenguin>is it possible to have my merge a few different branches together? I would like to have some like NoAI and NewGRF airports. Is it easy?
20:21<SmatZ>generally, I doubt... maybe in these two cases, it could be possible
20:21<SmatZ>you may try - download trunk, generate diff to NoAI and apply to newgrf airports
20:22<SmatZ>problem is that both branches have different trunk as base...
20:22<SmatZ>so I doubt again...
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