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02:57<dihedral>hello ladies
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05:08<Nite>Hi!
05:09<SmatZ>hi
05:10<scia>lo
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05:11<Nite>lo(l)
05:13<Nite>looking for newgrf servers.
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06:01<ln->hmm, wie fahren 4 personen am billigsten von bremen nach hamburg?
06:04<TrueBrain>english please ;)
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06:09<ln->"hmm, how travel 4 persons at cheapest from bremen to hamburg?"
06:09<xander1987>apologies - just setting up my client
06:09<TrueBrain>ln-: simple: by walking!
06:10<ln->i just booked flights to/from bremen, 35€/person, not bad.
06:13<TrueBrain>I like my way more
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06:24<ln->TrueBrain: walking is ok, but there are certain time constraints.
06:24<TrueBrain>so you are not looking for the cheapest ;) You have constraints... that changes it all! :p
06:24<TrueBrain>and now it is time for me to do some shopping
06:24<TrueBrain>running low on cola
06:24<ln->that's dangerous
06:25<TrueBrain>yup
06:27<TrueBrain>hmm, I can't go... I don't have a key to the main door, and nobody else is home
06:27<TrueBrain>so, I have to wait :)
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06:34<ln->you can go buy 10 liters of coke and drink that outside the door until someone arrives. problem solved.
06:57<TrueBrain>really stupid: the coke wasn't in 1.5L bottles anymore.... :( :(
06:58<TrueBrain>I always love this: bought 7 things, and got a discount on 6 of them :)
06:59<ln->move to finland, we've got coke in 1.5l bottles.
06:59<TrueBrain>we used to have them
06:59<TrueBrain>but there were supply problems or what ever
06:59<TrueBrain>personally I don't care
06:59<Ammler>Hi all, I have some problems with orders of the newgrfs, errors are shown, but shouldn't. So I made a small testgrf: http://openttdcoop.ppcis.org/wiki/index.php/Nothing.grf . Is this problem known?
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07:29<CIA-1>OpenTTD: truelight * r11092 /trunk/src/ (blitter/factory.hpp openttd.cpp settings.cpp variables.h): -Add: allow 'blitter=<value>' in openttd.cfg to set the blitter (so you don't have to keep on doing 'openttd -b 32bpp-optimized'..)
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07:54<LiOn>[13:09] <ln-> "hmm, how travel 4 persons at cheapest from bremen to hamburg?"
07:55<LiOn>ln-: You can try Niedersachsen-Ticket http://www.bahn.de/regional/view/niedersa/bahnregional/freizeit/niedersa_ticket.shtml
07:55<LiOn>ln-: DB (IRE, RE, RB, S-Bahn) and regional transport (bus, tram) in Bremen and Hamburg
07:55<LiOn>26 Euro/up to 5 persons, at weekdays valid from 9am to 3am the following day, at weekend and public holiday valid from midnight to to 3am the following day
07:55<LiOn>travel time about 1-2 hours
07:56<ln->sounds good.
07:56<ln->thanks.
07:57<ln->hmm, also the netherlands isn't very far away from bremen.
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08:04<LiOn>Rome as well - depends on scale :P
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08:08<ln->yeah, but ~100 km compared to the >1000 km from finland to bremen.
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08:18<LiOn>Yeah, but finally you will arrive there
08:18<LiOn>Specially with no Passengers with specific destinations
08:18<LiOn>All roads lead to Rome. ;)
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08:26<ln->so they say, but does it apply to railroads..
08:28<LiOn>unlikely, you are right
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08:32<LiOn>on topic: What does patch setting "Allow removal of more town-owned roads, bridges, etc" do?
08:32<LiOn>Reducing a penalty?
08:32<LiOn>What exactly is etc?
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08:36<SmatZ_>LiOn: in TTD, you are not allowed to remove town-owned bridges and non-terminal roads
08:37<LiOn>why "more" then?
08:37<SmatZ_>you may remove terminal roads
08:38<LiOn>ok, thanks
08:39<ln->do towns ever build tunnels?
08:39<DeGhosty>no
08:39<DeGhosty>i don't think i ever seen em do that
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08:46<frosch123>oO - now I will get kicked.
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08:47[~]frosch123 just spammed two FS bugs with links to his new patch.
08:48<DeGhosty>lol
08:48<DeGhosty>GG
08:50<@Belugas>frosch123, that was a very good spam :) therefore, kicking is definitively out of the question ;)
08:51<frosch123>hopefully
08:51[~]Belugas hopes to have more spams of this quality!
08:51<@Belugas>now that i've seen the result, let see the internals...
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09:01<SmatZ_>frosch123: nice, the idea to draw bounding boxes is really useful
09:02<SmatZ_>maybe you could add MakeWholeScreenDirty() for that function
09:03<SmatZ_>*Mark
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09:04<SmatZ_>errr it is not very stable :(
09:06<frosch123>what?
09:06<SmatZ_>I mean DrawBoundingBoxesWithCtrlB_r11092.patch
09:06<SmatZ_>I didn't test the actual patch
09:06<frosch123>no, it causes more glitches, than it helps
09:07<frosch123>it is most useful, when opening a vehicle window, scroll to somewhere else, click on "show vehicle" and press "screenshot"
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09:45<CIA-1>OpenTTD: truelight * r11093 /trunk/src/blitter/factory.hpp: -Fix r11092: also add a DEBUG(driver, 1) if the blitter is loaded, to show which one really loaded
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10:52<CIA-1>OpenTTD: belugas * r11094 /trunk/src/viewport.cpp:
10:52<CIA-1>OpenTTD: -Documentation: Add comments on viewport structures and change an obscure variable name to something a little more meaningfull.
10:52<CIA-1>OpenTTD: Heavily based of frosch's work (FS#1223)
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11:59<Wolf01>hello
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12:47<TrueBrain>http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/questionmark.png
12:47<TrueBrain>whoho :)
12:47<Digitalfox>!seen celestar
12:47<_42_>Digitalfox, Celestar (~Jadzia_Da@galadriel.td.mw.tum.de) was last seen quitting #openttd.tgp 7 weeks 6 days 9 hours 21 minutes ago (20.07. 08:26) stating "Quit: Lost terminal" after spending 1 week 3 days 21 hours 2 minutes there.
12:48<@Belugas>Commit this!
12:49<mcbane>?
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13:11<mcbane>?
13:11<TrueBrain>@kick mcbane If that is all you have to say: '?', try saying it into the thin void or something
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13:12<TrueBrain>YEAH! I finally have tar-support working :) Whoho!
13:14<Wolf01>tar files for 32bpp?
13:14<TrueBrain>tar for OpenTTD
13:14<TrueBrain>for all data/* entries
13:15<Wolf01>good, grf packs :P
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13:17<TrueBrain>for example
13:18<TrueBrain>now I need to clean it up and commit it in small steps I guess :p
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13:23<CIA-1>OpenTTD: truelight * r11095 /trunk/src/ (11 files in 2 dirs):
13:23<CIA-1>OpenTTD: -Codechange: don't abuse 'file_pos' by storing the file_slot in it too, but use a nice seperate variable for it
13:23<CIA-1>OpenTTD: -Note: on a side-note, this allows files bigger than 16+ MiB, needed for tar-support
13:24<TrueBrain>one hack less...
13:26<CIA-1>OpenTTD: truelight * r11096 /trunk/src/newgrf_config.cpp: -Fix: when 2 different GRF-files had the same name (e.g.: ""), the double-entry checker didn't always work correctly, resulting in multiple entries of the same grf in the list
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13:29<CIA-1>OpenTTD: truelight * r11097 /trunk/src/newgrf_config.cpp: -Codechange: for easy future extension of NewGRF Scanning, split up the functions a bit
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13:30<TrueBrain>all of a sudden my patch isn't that big anymore ;)
13:35<CIA-1>OpenTTD: truelight * r11098 /trunk/src/newgrf_config.cpp: -Fix r11096: forgot spaces before comments
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13:46<CIA-1>OpenTTD: truelight * r11099 /trunk/src/ (fileio.cpp fileio.h gfxinit.cpp newgrf_config.cpp): -Codechange: allow on opening of a file via FioFOpenFile to request the size of the file, so we can keep that in mind
13:50<CIA-1>OpenTTD: truelight * r11100 /trunk/src/fileio.cpp: -Fix r11099: darn typos...
13:51<Wolf01>:O 11 revisions to 11111
13:51<TrueBrain>YEAH! 11100 :)
13:55<svip_>:OOOOO
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13:57<@Bjarni>so should we have a new party at your place?
13:57<@Bjarni>in 11 revisions?
13:57<Eddi|zuHause>whoever reaches 11111 must give out a round of spirits :p
14:01<SmatZ_>there are 11 more typos for sure, so keep correcting... :)
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14:02<SmatZ>closed by accident :-x
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14:07<TrueBrain>stupid :p
14:08<TrueBrain>dbg: [misc] Scanning for tars
14:08<TrueBrain>dbg: [misc] Found tar: /prog/openttd/trunk/bin/data/ottdc_grfpack.tar
14:08<TrueBrain>dbg: [misc] Scan complete, found 1 files
14:08<TrueBrain>dbg: [grf] Scanning for NewGRFs
14:08<TrueBrain>dbg: [grf] Scan complete, found 42 files
14:08<TrueBrain>oh yeah baby! :)
14:10<Eddi|zuHause>does that also handle .gz and .bz2 files?
14:10<Wolf01>and .zip .rar .7z .ace .cab?
14:11<SmatZ>nice
14:11<SmatZ>and .arj ?
14:11<TrueBrain>Eddi|zuHause: a big no
14:11<TrueBrain>Wolf01: you want a kick?
14:11<Eddi|zuHause>i have not seen a .arj in over 10 years
14:11<TrueBrain>SmatZ: lol, does anyone still know how to make those? :p
14:12<Wolf01>but i think you can add a .zip, for the poor windows users who don't now how to do a .tar
14:12<SmatZ>I used it a lot, util rar came :) ... there is even a winarj
14:12<@Bjarni> <TrueBrain> SmatZ: lol, does anyone still know how to make those? :p <-- I do... from DOS... I think I still have some ancient arj software... somewhere
14:12<TrueBrain>Wolf01: there problem :)
14:12<TrueBrain>there is a big difference between all those formats you guys name, and .tar
14:13<@Bjarni>which is?
14:13<TrueBrain>.tar is only a storage format
14:13<Wolf01>the mistery of life?
14:13<TrueBrain>gz, bz2, zip, rar, 7z, ... are all compression formats
14:13<SmatZ>there are already some pack/unpack functions in ottd (for savegames), can't it be used for that purpose?
14:13<TrueBrain>SmatZ: no, as that would require unpacking all files in memory
14:13<TrueBrain>the only thing that can be easy added is gz support
14:13<TrueBrain>as you have gzopen from libz
14:14<TrueBrain>which can handle .gz files just fine
14:14<@Bjarni>zlib is not mandatory for compiling, so even though 99,..% has it, we can't assume everybody to have it. The question is if we want to make it mandatory and force the last two people to install it ;)
14:14<SmatZ>:-)
14:15<Wolf01>and isn't there a windows' storage format?
14:15<@Bjarni>I would not have a problem with it as OSX itself depends on zlib, so we know for sure that it can't result in any mac specific bug reports :)
14:15<Eddi|zuHause>there is no need to "force" anyone, if they don't want zlib, they still can use uncompressed tars
14:16<@Bjarni>good point
14:16<Sacro>evening chaps
14:16<Sacro>would a SparcStation10 run OpenTTD?
14:16<Eddi|zuHause>which is the same behaviour as with savegames
14:16<@Belugas>a native window storage format? maybe cab is. zip is now supported "natively" but i doubt it count
14:16<@Bjarni>Sacro: if you have the right binary, then I think so
14:16<@Belugas>Sacro, try it ^_^
14:17<@Bjarni>Sacro: I once compiled OpenTTD for Sun Solaris on Sparc
14:17<Sacro>someone at the local LUG is giving one away
14:17<Sacro>dual cpu :D
14:17<@Bjarni>didn't work well, but that was due to lag between the thin client and the server
14:17<Sacro>but then... they only run at 36-40Mhz
14:17<Sacro>ISDN and 96MB RAM
14:17<@Bjarni>could still be fun to play with
14:17<Sacro>swedish keyboard :\
14:17<@Bjarni>ohh
14:18<Sacro>SunOS 1, 2.5 2.6
14:18<@Bjarni>Swedish keyboard..... then the computer is useless :P
14:18<@Bjarni>actually it would be interesting to see if you could get OpenTTD to play on it... In theory it's not impossible
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14:19<@Bjarni>and Sparc is a nice design. Don't be fooled by low clock frequency
14:19<@Bjarni>(even though 40 MHz is slow)
14:19<@Bjarni>don't try 2048x2048 maps :P
14:20<Sacro>also
14:20<Sacro>Sparc NeXT :D
14:20<Sacro>possibly the only set in UK circulation
14:20<Sacro>and NeXT for x86
14:20<@Bjarni>go for it
14:20<Sacro>and a SCSI tape station
14:20<Sacro>yeah, i am doing
14:20<@Bjarni>SCSI is so nice
14:20<Sacro>only problen is it has no IDE support
14:20[~]Bjarni has working SCSI stuff
14:21<moebius>well, I played the original ttd in a 486-dx2, which surely is way too much slower than a dual sparc @40mhz
14:21<@Bjarni>SCSI rules compared to IDE when it's devices from that era
14:21<@Bjarni>SCSI uses less CPU time to access, which is kind of important for that system
14:22<Sacro>mmm, true
14:22<moebius>and SCSI is present (in some form) in newer good designs
14:22<moebius>like FireWire
14:22<Sacro>actually, i don't quite think i can run OpenTTD
14:22<Sacro>it doesn't have a VGA output
14:22<moebius>but Intel screwed up the thing when they released USB xD
14:23<@Bjarni>I once made my own unofficial USB2/Firewire test. The very same disk was like 30% faster when I used firewire
14:24<moebius>...with too much less CPU cycles wasted when using Firewire
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14:24<@Bjarni>basically I just copied the same huge file to /dev/null and timed it since I lacked a real benchmarking tool
14:24<moebius>at least when I tested in my ibook, using a 3G iPod (which can be attached to both busses)
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14:24<@Bjarni>I think it was 2 GB or something (created for the task)
14:25<moebius>and using hdparm
14:25<moebius>the thing went better with firewire
14:25<Sacro>i have to see if anyone else wants it
14:25<moebius>about 18%-20% faster for me
14:25<Sacro>but i'd love it for testing different OS'en
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14:25<@Bjarni>Sacro: is it a headless server?
14:26<colle>probably a 13w3 monitor connection
14:26<colle>there are adapters available for 13w3->vga conversion
14:28<Sacro>Bjarni: no, i don't think so
14:29<@Bjarni>then I don't see why you shouldn't get it
14:29<Sacro>Bjarni: does your mac have a camera on it?
14:29<@Bjarni>why?
14:29<@Bjarni>you want to spy on me?
14:30<Sacro>no, a friend of a friend is having trouble getting her webcam to work on her mac
14:30<@Bjarni>odd
14:30<@Bjarni>should work out of the box
14:30<SmatZ>problem? on a mac?
14:31<Sacro>she wants to use it on msn
14:31<@Bjarni>oh
14:31<Sacro>mmmm, adium doesn't support webcams
14:31<@Bjarni>first step: try it with photobooth (or whatever the name is)
14:31<@Bjarni>if it works: blame Microsoft
14:32<@Bjarni>if it doesn't: contact Apple and get warranty to fix the issue
14:32<@Bjarni>that is, if it's a built in camera
14:32<@Bjarni>Sacro: got it?
14:32<ln->Bjarni: do you have a joystick?
14:33<@Bjarni>yeah
14:33<@Bjarni>I don't really use it though
14:33<ln->Bjarni: a force feedback joystick?
14:33<@Bjarni>no
14:33<@Bjarni>basically I wanted it for UAE :)
14:33<@Bjarni>so it's not the best on the marked, but I liked the price
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14:34<TrueBrain>I hate unclear advertising... I want a new TV, and now I have a folder here which says one I might like, for a very good price
14:34<TrueBrain>it only doesn't state which type it is exactly
14:34<TrueBrain>so all I have is the branch and price.. but it can be from VERY poor, to VERY good..
14:34<@Bjarni>hehe
14:34[~]TrueBrain slaps advertising...
14:35<@Bjarni>reminds me of a flier somebody put on my windshield once. It told that on Friday, some restaurant opened and it has special opening offers... only it didn't tell where it was
14:35<@Bjarni>I still don't know even where it is
14:36<SmatZ>:-D
14:37<@Bjarni>I think they didn't get the gain/cost radio like they wanted :P
14:37<TrueBrain>yeah, I like my tar suppor
14:37<TrueBrain>t
14:37<TrueBrain>I can pack all my original graphics in one file :)
14:37<TrueBrain>and the coop grfs in one
14:37<TrueBrain>hehe :)
14:38<@Bjarni>nice
14:38<Sacro>Bjarni: yeah, i think she is going to try aMsn
14:38<@Bjarni>please don't highlight me with a line containing Msn again
14:39<@Bjarni>it looks dangerous
14:39<TrueBrain>Bjarni: msn msn msn msn
14:39<TrueBrain>Bjarni: msn msn msn msn
14:39<TrueBrain>Bjarni: msn msn msn msn
14:39<TrueBrain>Bjarni: msn msn msn msn
14:39<@Bjarni>ok
14:39<TrueBrain>remember: you always get what you don't ask
14:39<@Bjarni>granted... I told SACRO not to do it :P
14:40<@Bjarni>everybody: just don't :P
14:41<@Bjarni>well... I don't know how to get MSN working on mac
14:42<Sacro>i got adium working
14:42<@Bjarni>and I don't know how to kill it for good on Windows either :s
14:42<Sacro>i just downloaded it, mounted the dmg and copied it to Applications
14:42<@Bjarni>that's the mac way to install apps
14:42<@Bjarni>but I think it has a setup like nick and stuff
14:42<@Bjarni>and don't ask me about that part because I never tried it
14:43<@Bjarni>I once used iChat, but stopped because it was even more useless than when IRC goes off topic and it always interrupted me with useless stuff when I did something else
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15:13<ddewilt>is er ergens een admin in de buurt?! krijg geen activatie mailtje :p
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15:13<Wolf01>yes
15:14<ddewilt>aaah hold-up :p
15:14<ddewilt>hij staat bij de ongewenste post :s
15:14<ddewilt>naja :)
15:14<ddewilt>is het in ieder geval opgelost :)
15:14<@Belugas>would be kind enough to speak in english, please?
15:15<ddewilt>ow ok... i thought i didn't get an activation mail, but the mail was caught by the junkmail folder in Hotmail :p
15:15<ddewilt>problem solved:)
15:15<@Belugas>glad to hear :)
15:16<Wolf01>i understood "admin" "activate" "email", so i answered yes because there's orudge aroud ;)
15:16<Wolf01>*around
15:16<orudge>:p
15:16<ddewilt>ok :)
15:17<TrueBrain>PEBKAC
15:18<ddewilt>and now back to the forums ;) see u later guys
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15:21<Wolf01>yeah a [10053] Software caused connection abort :D
15:23<ddewilt>does anybody know when the next version of openttd will be released?
15:23<Wolf01>when is done ;)
15:24<Progman>bundled with duke nukem forever ;)
15:24<ddewilt>offcourse,, sounds logical :p, but there's no release date for the moment?
15:25<@Belugas>nope
15:25<ddewilt>ok :)
15:25<@Belugas>you could still use the nighlties...
15:25<Prof_Frink>Progman: Will it run on GNU Hurd?
15:25<ddewilt>ok,, but are they stable?
15:26<SmatZ>GNU Hurd is the target platform, so they must wait until it is stable...
15:26<SmatZ>ddewilt: no
15:26<Wolf01>maybe yes, if TrueBrain did not break all this evening ;)
15:26<ddewilt>haha
15:27[~]Belugas slaps SmatZ
15:27<SmatZ>why?
15:27<@Belugas>nighylies are pretty stable allright
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15:27<SmatZ>stable is 0.5.2
15:27<@Belugas>been a while since there has been problems
15:27[~]TrueBrain slaps wolf01
15:27<TrueBrain>and besides, those changes are visible tomorrow night ;)
15:28<ddewilt>i truly cannot wait until new graphics are added (in a stable version) :P
15:28<@Belugas>you should use nightlies then....
15:28<TrueBrain>so download the nightly and find yourself some graphics :)
15:28<Wolf01>oh right... i'm compiling by myself :P
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15:28<@Belugas>how can we get a stable if no one test the nighlties???
15:29<ddewilt>hmm..(A)
15:29<ddewilt>:)
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15:30<TrueBrain>@kick ddewilt this is NOT MSN
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15:33<@Belugas>and SmatZ, 0.5.2 is a release. that's all and since we're trying to get 0.5.3 out, it means ther are problems with it ^_^
15:33<@Belugas>tus.. it is not really a stable version!
15:35<SmatZ>Belugas: http://www.openttd.org/downloads.php --> The latest stable version is 0.5.2, released on May 29th 2007.
15:36<SmatZ>there are problems with all software, and it is released and sold as stable...
15:37<@Belugas>and it's in bold...
15:37<@Belugas>pffff...
15:38<@Belugas>but still...
15:38<@Belugas>[16:25] <@Belugas> you could still use the nighlties...
15:38<@Belugas>[16:26] <ddewilt> ok,, but are they stable?
15:38<@Belugas>[16:26] <SmatZ> ddewilt: no
15:38<@Belugas>that was not fair :(
15:38<@Belugas>nightlies are stable like 99% of the time
15:39<SmatZ>yes, they are -
15:39<SmatZ>sarry, don't be sad :-(
15:40[~]Belugas unslaps SmatZ and hugs him
15:40<@Belugas>i'll survive ;)
15:40[~]SmatZ hugs Belugas, now are all happy again :)
15:40<@Belugas>TrueBrain, see what you did to me?
15:40<@Belugas>lol
15:43<ln->does anyone own a force feedback joystick and use it on a non-mainstream operating system?
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15:48<@Bjarni>ln-: try #OSX on freenode or something
15:49<@Bjarni>well... they talked about boobs and drinking the time I visited them with a serious question, but you might have better luck
15:49<@Bjarni>or was it #mac...
15:49<@Bjarni>you will figure it out
15:49<@Bjarni>if the channel is empty, then it's the wrong name ;)
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16:04<@Bjarni>:P
16:04<@Bjarni>odd thing is that the only channel I actually got useful replies from was #fink
16:04<@Bjarni>I wouldn't go there with a joystick issue though
16:05<@Bjarni>ln-: http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Compiling_on_Mac <-- do you like my changes to this page?
16:06<@Bjarni>and the work in progress on this one http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Universal_libraries
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16:11<ln->looks ok, except "a piece of machine code is added after the machine code"
16:12<Wolf01>'night
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16:12<@Bjarni>hmm
16:12<@Bjarni>what to write instead...
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16:13<ln->"X is added after X" sounds odd.
16:13<@Bjarni>agreed
16:14<ln->a few words could also be said about the *purpose* of universal binaries, before going into technicalities.
16:21<@Bjarni>http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Universal_libraries <-- added a purpose part
16:21<@Bjarni>nothing else changed
16:22<@Bjarni>however I think people reading this page already knows the purpose... but ok
16:24<ln->who knows what readers know
16:24<@Bjarni>readers.. I presume
16:25<@Bjarni>I decided not to compare this to the 68k->PPC transfer... too few people are aware of what happened back then
16:26<ln->yeah, it's fine now.
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16:47<Progman>11100 got some weird grf errors ;)
16:50<Progman>the sprites for rail dragging northeast<->southwest are missing
16:52<@Bjarni>heh
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16:53<@Bjarni>as luck would happen, the person most likely to be the cause of this went to bed :P
16:54<Phazorx>binart releases are usualy like that
16:54<Phazorx>next one will be broken too
16:54<Phazorx>*binary
16:55[~]Bjarni wondered why the compilation took so long
16:55<@Bjarni>turned out that it was still in universal binary mode after I tested something earlier today
16:56<@Bjarni>and not even in debug mode either
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17:01<@Bjarni>Progman: post a bug report
17:01<@Bjarni>and tell me once you are done and I will assign it to the right person
17:02<Progman>to lazy, and noone can miss this bug ;)
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17:03<@Bjarni>not true
17:03<@Bjarni>looks like one person missed it before committing :P
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17:04<@Bjarni>but it's likely that he will notice tomorrow
17:04<Progman>you mean truelight?
17:05<@Bjarni>yeah
17:06<@Bjarni>read the svn log and he will be the only one playing with stuff that's likely to cause this
17:06<Progman>like "< TrueBrain> http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/questionmark.png" ;)
17:10<@Bjarni>this would be another pointer to who did this
17:11<@Bjarni>usually I would say that evidence like this wouldn't leave any questionmarks, but in this case...
17:14<Sacro>whoo
17:14<Sacro>i might be getting this Sparc :D
17:14<Sacro>and it has the framebuffer graphics card
17:17[~]Bjarni detects Sparcs flying from Sacro's head
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17:17<@Bjarni>or would that be sparks?
17:17<@Bjarni>:)
17:17<Sacro>Bjarni: probably
17:17<Sacro>what is a AUI?
17:17<@Bjarni>hmm
17:17<@Bjarni>isn't that some outdated port thingie?
17:18<@Bjarni>I think I once saw an ethernet hub with one of those, but I'm not entirely sure of the name
17:18<@Bjarni>I have seen AUI before though
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17:18<Sacro>yeah, D15
17:19<Sacro>ahh
17:19<Sacro>it has 10BaseT
17:19<Sacro>so that'll go fine into an ethernet socket
17:19<Sacro>though might struggle with wifi
17:19<@Bjarni>Ethernet AUI (Access Unit Interface)
17:19<@Bjarni>http://techpubs.sgi.com/library/tpl/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi/hdwr/bks/SGI_EndUser/books/Indy_OwnerGd/sgi_html/ch02.html
17:19<@Bjarni>looks like networking that lost to ethernet
17:20<Sacro>i don't seem to be able to snag urls via irssi in putty
17:20<@Bjarni>happy typing :P
17:20<Sacro>http://techpubs.sgi.com/library/tpl/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi/hdwr/bks/SGI_EndUser/books/Indy_OwnerGd/sgi_html/ch02.html
17:20<@Bjarni>copy paste should work though
17:20<Sacro>that didn't work
17:20<@Bjarni>paste it in your browser, not IRC :P
17:22<@Bjarni>Figure 2-7. Turning on the Indy Workstation <--- this is followed by figure 2-7, which is a finger pressing the power button... nice
17:22<Sacro>hehe
17:22<@Bjarni>you need to press the button saying power... I thought you should stare at it or add water to it or something
17:25<Sacro>i miss pressing CTRL+BREAK
17:26[~]Prof_Frink BREAKs Sacro
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17:31<Sacro>:(
17:32[~]Bjarni CTRL the BREAK of Sacro
17:33[~]Prof_Frink Fn+PgUp
17:33<Prof_Frink>light goes on, light goes off. light goes on, light goes off.
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17:39<TrueBrain>5
17:39<Prof_Frink>4
17:40<Sacro>3
17:40<+glx>2
17:41<@Bjarni>1
17:42<@Bjarni>TrueBrain: I think you have a sprite bug report
17:42<Prof_Frink>Thunderbirds are go!
17:42<@Bjarni>try to build rails in north-south direction
17:43<@Bjarni>TrueBrain: I also noticed a minor issue in make bundle_dmg... once the dmg is mounted, the disk is called bundle, not "OpenTTD rev"
17:43<TrueBrain>Bjarni: not my problem
17:43<@Bjarni>not a huge issue, but it should be fixed before 0.6.0
17:43<@Bjarni>well
17:44<@Bjarni>it worked until you made the makefile rewrite
17:44<TrueBrain>@kick Bjarni blablabla
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17:44<TrueBrain>sometimes, I can get sick us such things...
17:45<TrueBrain>file 8, offset 0...
17:45<TrueBrain>cool, validation protection in effect!
17:46<TrueBrain>Progman: my compliments, 1 missing sprite per grf, and you find 2 of them in secnods ;)
17:46<TrueBrain>nice job!
17:48<TrueBrain>so there you have it :)
17:48<CIA-1>OpenTTD: truelight * r11101 /trunk/src/spritecache.cpp: -Fix r11099: the check: file_pos == 0, no longer works; adjust the check with file_slot. This solves the ? sprites with autorail (nice catch Progman)
17:48<TrueBrain>[00:43] <Bjarni> not a huge issue, but it should be fixed before 0.6.0 <- I guess it shouldn't be hard for you to fix, so I hope to see a commit tonight ;) :)
17:49<TrueBrain>ah, revision 29, how nice...
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