| --- | Log | opened Fri Oct 05 00:00:44 2007 |
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| 01:00 | <nickname> | i *really* want this town to grow |
| 01:00 | <nickname> | but it just won't |
| 01:00 | <nickname> | how do i force it? |
| 01:02 | <nairan_ZZzz> | tried give em money for houses? |
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| 01:03 | <nickname> | yeah |
| 01:03 | <nickname> | i need the big buildings |
| 01:03 | <nickname> | for the goods |
| 01:05 | <mcbane> | hmm |
| 01:05 | <Rubidium> | nickname: what climate? |
| 01:06 | <nickname> | desert |
| 01:06 | <Rubidium> | is the town center in the desert? |
| 01:06 | <nickname> | yes |
| 01:07 | <nickname> | yes i have food and water going to it |
| 01:07 | <Rubidium> | is it delivered close enough to the center of the town? |
| 01:08 | <nickname> | the station covers about half the town |
| 01:12 | <Rubidium> | is the station within 9 tiles from the town center, i.e. the town sign |
| 01:12 | <nickname> | yes |
| 01:13 | <nickname> | its only about 9 tiles wide |
| 01:13 | <nickname> | ok got 4/8 |
| 01:13 | <nickname> | halfway there |
| 01:17 | <Rubidium> | have you build two bus stopes with one or two busses running between them in the town? |
| 01:19 | <nickname> | yes |
| 01:20 | <nickname> | and i put a 3rd station in a close town |
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| 01:23 | <nickname> | oh crap |
| 01:23 | <nickname> | theres like 300 passengers at this bus station |
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| 01:28 | <nickname> | well i got the 8/8 |
| 01:28 | <nickname> | but now my station is 1 tile short of 1/8 |
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| 02:23 | <|Bastiaan|> | hi there, how can i configure my dedicated server to load the last saved autosave on startup ? |
| 02:23 | <boekabart> | there exists smth like a auto execute script |
| 02:23 | <Rubidium> | |Bastiaan|: yes there is |
| 02:23 | <boekabart> | but.. last save autosave... |
| 02:23 | <boekabart> | it crashes a lot or? |
| 02:24 | <|Bastiaan|> | no, the server is turned off every day at midnight |
| 02:24 | <Rubidium> | what you have to do is open openttd.cfg and set the number of autosaves to 0 |
| 02:24 | <|Bastiaan|> | virtual server, backup procedure |
| 02:24 | <boekabart> | Rubidium: 0? not 1? |
| 02:24 | <Rubidium> | then just make a bash script and do ./openttd -g save/autosave/autosave0.sav |
| 02:24 | <Rubidium> | oh, yeah... 1 ;) |
| 02:24 | <Rubidium> | typical obiwan ;) |
| 02:24 | <|Bastiaan|> | ahh cool |
| 02:26 | <Rubidium> | ./openttd `ls --sort=time -w 1 save/autosave/ | head -n 1` |
| 02:26 | <Rubidium> | that might work too ;) |
| 02:26 | <Rubidium> | and then you can have multiple autosaves |
| 02:26 | <|Bastiaan|> | i dont need multiple saves :) |
| 02:26 | <Rubidium> | ./openttd -g `ls --sort=time -w 1 save/autosave/ | head -n 1` |
| 02:27 | <Rubidium> | shouldn't forget the '-g' part |
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| 02:27 | <dihedral> | morning |
| 02:27 | <dihedral> | ... ladies :-) |
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| 02:27 | <boekabart> | dihedral: see what you did? |
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| 02:30 | <|Bastiaan|> | thnx guys, its working now :) |
| 02:30 | <boekabart> | Rubidium: see that? :) |
| 02:31 | <boekabart> | the filter is already in place :) |
| 02:31 | <dihedral> | boekabart: yes - a 'nickname' left... |
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| 02:38 | <|Bastiaan|> | is it possible too add an (AI) player to a server with rcon ? |
| 02:39 | <boekabart> | Allow AI in multiplayer should be on. for this NewAI should be on. |
| 02:40 | <boekabart> | If those conditions are met, i don't know. rubi rubi rubi rubi? |
| 02:42 | <Rubidium> | uhmm... ask the author of newai |
| 02:46 | <boekabart> | |Bastiaan|: anyway, you probably don't want to ruin the multiplayer fun, right? |
| 02:46 | <boekabart> | if you really do, i'm willing to join and put some random spaghetti tracks down :) |
| 02:47 | <|Bastiaan|> | hehehe |
| 02:48 | <|Bastiaan|> | id like to do a co-op against a few ai's |
| 02:48 | <Rubidium> | newai is road vehicles only, so it won't be that bad ;) |
| 02:48 | <boekabart> | ah, so THAT is the big improvement in newAI !! |
| 02:48 | <Rubidium> | I think you should just pay some chines guys a few eurocents a day to be AI ;) |
| 02:49 | <boekabart> | Our company has about a 100 of them sitting around... maybe it's a plan :) |
| 02:49 | <Rubidium> | *Chinese |
| 02:52 | <|Bastiaan|> | hmm, to bad |
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| 03:10 | <N101> | one question. if I added a patch to OTTD can i play online with the patch with out desync errors? |
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| 03:11 | <boekabart> | N101: depends very much on the patch |
| 03:11 | <N101> | ok |
| 03:12 | <boekabart> | usually, if the patch changes smth in the world/ the way the world behaves, you'll get desyncs |
| 03:12 | <N101> | for example the Build Templates (Copy&Paste) (r11133 + 0.5.3) |
| 03:12 | <boekabart> | IF it uses existing functions to do the final build, and doens't use Random(), it might be OK |
| 03:12 | <boekabart> | try and find out! |
| 03:13 | <N101> | ok |
| 03:13 | <boekabart> | but you can't join a 053 server with a 11133/11133+patch version, obviously |
| 03:13 | <N101> | yeah |
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| 03:25 | <valhallasw> | isn't Random() pseudo-random enough to yield the same results on client and server? |
| 03:27 | <frosch123> | Exactly, but that requires Random() do be called on the server as often as it is called on the client. |
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| 03:42 | <valhallasw> | so the client does not loop Random() until that number is reached? |
| 03:45 | <N101> | ill do it later. when i know how to compile. |
| 03:46 | <N101> | it keeps erroring. |
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| 03:46 | <dihedral> | where is determind when a dedicated server starts a new game? |
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| 04:01 | <dihedral> | http://paste.openttd.org/239 |
| 04:01 | <dihedral> | what's with that? |
| 04:03 | <dihedral> | fore reloading the config of dedicated servers at every new game |
| 04:04 | <valhallasw> | dihedral: afaik a dedicated server needs to restart |
| 04:04 | <dihedral> | just need to add a patch setting and a save config chm |
| 04:04 | <dihedral> | *cmd |
| 04:04 | <dihedral> | valhallasw: you dont know very far |
| 04:04 | <boekabart> | this is defintately smth you don't want without the save before - |
| 04:04 | <dihedral> | i just tested it |
| 04:04 | <valhallasw> | then tell me how :P |
| 04:05 | <boekabart> | or you'll lose the settings changed in the autoexec script/console before starting the previous game |
| 04:05 | <dihedral> | once a dedicated server reaches ending_year it starts a new game |
| 04:05 | <dihedral> | closing the network connections, generating a new map, and previously connected client rejoin |
| 04:05 | <valhallasw> | ending_year is boooooring :P |
| 04:05 | <boekabart> | dihedral: isn't there also a script that is run not on startup, but just before starting a new game? |
| 04:05 | <boekabart> | if so, add loading config to that script |
| 04:06 | <dihedral> | i tried loading the ini before executing pre_dedicated.scr |
| 04:06 | <boekabart> | If it isn't there yet, implementing that seems to be a more flexible approach |
| 04:06 | <dihedral> | yes - but at least i have a dirty workaround for now :-D |
| 04:06 | <dihedral> | and know what i am looking for |
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| 04:08 | <dihedral> | but i must say - i like the idea |
| 04:09 | <dihedral> | boekabart: a patch setting newgame_reload_cfg would be better than forcing to save |
| 04:09 | <dihedral> | as if you force the save, loading has no effect |
| 04:09 | <dihedral> | makes no diff to the game |
| 04:09 | <dihedral> | thogh loading the config right there, you can even change map size, landscape ... anything |
| 04:10 | <boekabart> | newgame_reload_cfg sucks anyway - afterstopgame_reload_cfg makes more sense |
| 04:10 | <boekabart> | then at least you'll have the chance to change the options again before starting the new game |
| 04:10 | <dihedral> | yes |
| 04:10 | <dihedral> | a save game cmd, and that patch setting |
| 04:10 | <boekabart> | i'd probably even use the patch setting if it were implemented like that |
| 04:11 | <dihedral> | i'll do that this weekend |
| 04:11 | <boekabart> | but still, a script that is run after stop game is a more flexible approach |
| 04:11 | <dihedral> | boekabart: will add taht too |
| 04:11 | <boekabart> | since it requires no new patch setting |
| 04:12 | <dihedral> | yes - but you need to access the shell of the server to change it |
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| 04:14 | <dihedral> | with a patch setting all you need is rcon |
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| 05:36 | <dihedral> | how come, if i have a patch setting nextgame_reload_cfg |
| 05:36 | <dihedral> | and check that setting in an if |
| 05:36 | <dihedral> | just before starting a new game |
| 05:37 | <dihedral> | if( _patches.nextgame_reload_cfg || _patches_newgame.nextgame_reload_cfg ) |
| 05:37 | <dihedral> | then reload the config |
| 05:37 | <dihedral> | it only works every secong newgame |
| 05:38 | <dihedral> | if i set the patch value in the game from the console |
| 05:39 | <dihedral> | is there another _patches i could be missing? |
| 05:41 | <Vikthor> | It is funny - there is so much people who want features, but when a feature arrives nobody seems to notice :) |
| 05:42 | <dihedral> | some notice - just seldom mention it :-) |
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| 05:45 | <skidd13> | Hi |
| 05:45 | <dihedral> | hello |
| 05:46 | <skidd13> | Congratulations Belugas. Finally I can play with NewIndustries ;) |
| 05:46 | <Rubidium> | LOL |
| 05:47 | <dihedral> | Rubidium: is there a _patches other than _patches and _patches_newgame i could be missing? |
| 05:47 | <Rubidium> | could be |
| 05:48 | <dihedral> | anyone you could think of? |
| 05:49 | <dihedral> | for some reason when checking agains a patch option i added, the LoadFromConfig() is only executed every second newgame |
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| 05:57 | <Ammller> | !seen glx |
| 05:57 | <_42_> | Ammller, glx (glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net) was last seen quitting #openttd.notice 8 hours 13 minutes ago (05.10. 02:44) stating "Quit: bye" after spending 14 hours 7 minutes there. |
| 05:58 | <Ammller> | @seen glx |
| 05:58 | <@DorpsGek> | Ammller: glx was last seen in #openttd 11 hours, 53 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <glx> bluetooth |
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| 06:00 | <Ammller> | Hi all, I had some asserts with packet.cpp and now the data is: type 10, data CSTramSet v0.1 |
| 06:06 | <Phazorx> | hmm... totaly offtopic... is there "audio piece/clip id" channel here or on efnet? |
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| 06:09 | <Rubidium> | Ammller: is it reproducable by a client without newgrfs trying to get info about the server? |
| 06:10 | <Rubidium> | and what's the exact assertion? |
| 06:10 | <Rubidium> | the server running with that tramset newgrf ofcourse |
| 06:11 | <Ammller> | openttd: /home/tt-ms/bin/ottd/src/network/core/packet.cpp:139: void Packet::Send_string(const char*): Assertion `this->size < sizeof(this->buffer) - strlen(data) - 1' failed. |
| 06:11 | <Rubidium> | hmm... so it's someone with absolutely no NewGRFs getting the info of all NewGRFs it seems |
| 06:12 | <Ammller> | glx gave me that for debugging: printf("type %d, data %s\n", this->buffer[sizeof(PacketSize)], data); |
| 06:13 | <Ammller> | Rubidium: I'll try |
| 06:13 | <Rubidium> | can you run the server in gdb? |
| 06:14 | <Ammller> | gdb? |
| 06:15 | <Ammller> | I'll could give you SSH access, if you like... |
| 06:15 | <Ammller> | its only ottd there atm |
| 06:18 | <Rubidium> | gdb == debugger |
| 06:20 | <Ammller> | if you try to connect with a "empty" client, I have 2 GRF without Title: one is Japanset and the other Hiroshima |
| 06:21 | <boekabart> | dihedral: your problem is - using a patch setting -> load -> patch setting changes. Just, leave the patch setting and implement the change so that it will load a generic script at the right moment, and put the loadconfig in that script. no patch option needed, no savegame bump, more general use -> higher chance of trunk acceptance. |
| 06:21 | <Ammller> | Hmm, I guess, "we" have still a problem with the GRFID range... |
| 06:22 | <Rubidium> | the problem is that it's due to "a lot of unknown newgrfs", not newgrf with no name. |
| 06:22 | <Ammller> | Rubidium: Is there a howto for running/compiling on debug mode? |
| 06:24 | <Ammller> | hmm, but how can they be unknown? |
| 06:24 | <Ammller> | the master server i.e. does know those... |
| 06:25 | <Rubidium> | the client doesn't know the newgrfs |
| 06:25 | <Rubidium> | thus requests *all* names |
| 06:26 | <Rubidium> | then the server puts them in a packet, but crashes because it would overflow the packet |
| 06:26 | <Ammller> | thats why he is asking the server, like master server does, doesn't he? |
| 06:26 | <Rubidium> | yes |
| 06:26 | <Ammller> | btw, now I have no assert |
| 06:27 | <Ammller> | but still this unknown grfs |
| 06:27 | <Rubidium> | well, either the server runs with too few newgrfs or the client knows too many newgrfs |
| 06:28 | <Ammller> | as I said, the data dir is empty (no newgrfs), so the client known no newGRFs, right? |
| 06:29 | <Ammller> | (every grf listed is red) |
| 06:30 | <Ammller> | hmm, if I try the same with 0.5.3, there are even more unknown |
| 06:30 | <Rubidium> | that's just bad luck with the UDP packets |
| 06:31 | <Ammller> | and yes, the last listed, so it seems, the pack was too small |
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| 06:32 | <Rubidium> | problem is that when *your* server is the first to return the first GameInfoCall, it queries *all* NewGRFs from your server, otherwise it might already have gotten information from other servers. |
| 06:32 | <Rubidium> | and the "problem" is that the crash probably won't happen when there is one newgrf with a name one character shorter or longer (probably some off-by-one error somewhere) |
| 06:33 | <Ammller> | but that info is reseted on restart of client, isn't? |
| 06:33 | <Rubidium> | yes |
| 06:46 | <dihedral> | yay - it workes ;-P |
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| 06:53 | <Ammller> | Rubidium: right, after refresh of the server, you will get the rest of GRF infos |
| 06:56 | <Ammller> | hmm, not able to reproduce the assert |
| 06:58 | <Rubidium> | as I said, it's some cornercase that isn't easily triggered |
| 06:59 | <Rubidium> | otherwise we would've had seen OTTDCoop servers crashe every minute |
| 06:59 | <Rubidium> | therefor the server must run in GDB, so we can get info out of it when it asserts |
| 07:00 | <Rubidium> | ./configure --enable-debug=3 |
| 07:00 | <Rubidium> | make run-gdb OPENTTD_ARGS="-D" |
| 07:00 | <Rubidium> | that should configure it properly and then build and run it |
| 07:01 | <Ammller> | should I keep the patch from glx? |
| 07:02 | <Rubidium> | that isn't necessary |
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| 07:02 | <Rubidium> | though it would be nice to run it in a screen, so I can see it when it's necessary |
| 07:05 | <Ammller> | yes, I do... |
| 07:06 | <Ammller> | I am wondering, why this isn't happen on the coop server |
| 07:07 | <Rubidium> | other set of newgrfs |
| 07:07 | <Rubidium> | possibly a different order |
| 07:07 | <Ammller> | hmm, I use same pack |
| 07:07 | <Ammller> | also the order is given from the file structure... |
| 07:09 | <Rubidium> | how is the order given from the file structure? |
| 07:11 | <Ammller> | because we use a configuration tool, we can't change the order |
| 07:12 | <Ammller> | so I made the folder structure to have proper oder |
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| 07:14 | <Ammller> | Rubidium: I did compile the server new, now I am in the console of GDB |
| 07:14 | <Ammller> | have I to start ottd from there? |
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| 07:16 | <Eddi|zuHause> | you start gdb bin/openttd |
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| 07:16 | <Eddi|zuHause> | on the gdb console you type "run" or something |
| 07:17 | <Eddi|zuHause> | it has a help |
| 07:17 | <Rubidium> | Ammller: if you did exactly as I said, it would've already started the dedicated server |
| 07:18 | <Ammller> | hmm, so no autopilot then? |
| 07:21 | <Eddi|zuHause> | do you really need autopilot for such a test? |
| 07:21 | <Ammller> | Eddi|zuHause: the problem is, we can't reproduce it |
| 07:21 | <Ammller> | so we should run a usual environment and wait until the assert happens again... |
| 07:21 | <Eddi|zuHause> | and you can probably run autopilot in gdb also, it only gets more tricky |
| 07:23 | <Eddi|zuHause> | e.g. you can run autopilot like usual, and then attach gdb to the running process |
| 07:23 | <Eddi|zuHause> | you need the process number then |
| 07:24 | <Eddi|zuHause> | or you run gdb with the autopilot app (tcl?), and then type "run [arguments]" |
| 07:26 | <Ammller> | yes autopilot its a tcl wrapper, I run ./autopilot.tcl and that starts ./openttd -D -x etc. |
| 07:28 | <Eddi|zuHause> | then type "autopilot /bin/tcl[or whatever the first line of autopilot.tcl says]" and in the gdb console "run autopilot.tcl" |
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| 07:44 | <+glx> | Ammller: ping |
| 07:46 | <gynterk> | pong |
| 07:47 | <Ammller> | glx pong |
| 07:47 | <+glx> | you were looking for me? |
| 07:47 | <Ammller> | yeah, I had the assert |
| 07:48 | <+glx> | with output? |
| 07:48 | <Ammller> | but is not reproducable |
| 07:49 | <Ammller> | type 10, data CSTramSet v0.1 |
| 07:49 | <Ammller> | (thats all) |
| 07:50 | <Ammller> | I compiled it now with gdb |
| 07:50 | <Ammller> | #!/bin/sh |
| 07:50 | <Ammller> | # Start Tcl \ |
| 07:50 | <Ammller> | exec tclsh $0 $@ |
| 07:51 | <Ammller> | Eddi|zuHause: thats the top of autopilot |
| 07:53 | <Eddi|zuHause> | Ammller: it might make more sense to use the other option, run autopilot as usual, use ps to get the PID of openttd, then run "gdb openttd <PID>" |
| 07:54 | <Ammller> | Eddi|zuHause: try that |
| 07:54 | <Ammller> | hmm, how to exit gdb? |
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| 07:54 | <Ammller> | ah, ok quit did it |
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| 08:15 | <Ailure> | hmm |
| 08:15 | <Ailure> | newindustries finished |
| 08:15 | <Ailure> | I guess that means we might see a stable 0.6.0 release in this year after all. :P |
| 08:17 | <valhallasw> | nah. |
| 08:17 | <valhallasw> | maybe next decade ;) |
| 08:19 | <boekabart> | Ailure: no-one implied finished, it's just ready for public testing. :) |
| 08:19 | <boekabart> | .. they hope :) |
| 08:20 | <Ailure> | Open source software is never finished |
| 08:20 | <Ailure> | ;) |
| 08:20 | <Ailure> | that's the beuty of it too |
| 08:20 | <Ailure> | I guess |
| 08:20 | <Rubidium> | closed source software is never finished either |
| 08:20 | <boekabart> | --- they just pretend it is |
| 08:20 | <Ailure> | haha true |
| 08:20 | <+glx> | then you get SP3 ;) |
| 08:21 | <Ailure> | this is especially true for games |
| 08:21 | <+glx> | the problem with games is they often don't release patches to fix the bugs |
| 08:21 | <Ailure> | patches rarely come after six months after a game erlease |
| 08:21 | <Ailure> | well |
| 08:21 | <Ailure> | when they do |
| 08:21 | <Ailure> | it's only shortly after release |
| 08:22 | <Eddi|zuHause> | they call it an "addon" later |
| 08:22 | <Eddi|zuHause> | and charge extra money |
| 08:22 | <boekabart> | the no-longer-crashes addon! |
| 08:22 | <Ailure> | yeah |
| 08:22 | <boekabart> | for even more working/playing pleasure! |
| 08:22 | <Ailure> | I seen that with the sims franchise |
| 08:22 | <Ailure> | some bugs weren't fixed until a expansion pack |
| 08:23 | <Ailure> | and games like Simcity 4 was rushed out of the door |
| 08:23 | <Ailure> | It's my favorite simcity |
| 08:23 | <Ailure> | but 1.0 of it was awful |
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| 08:23 | <Ailure> | it's even worse with patches that comes at relase date too |
| 08:28 | <valhallasw> | *uche* oblivion |
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| 08:35 | <gynterk> | details packet doesn't contain company color data? |
| 08:36 | <Eddi|zuHause> | err.... what does that mean? "/usr/include/bits/local_lim.h:36:26: error: linux/limits.h: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden" |
| 08:36 | <+glx> | one file comes from the future |
| 08:37 | <gynterk> | File or Index not found |
| 08:37 | <gynterk> | i think |
| 08:37 | <Eddi|zuHause> | i know what it says |
| 08:37 | <Eddi|zuHause> | i ask what it means |
| 08:37 | <gynterk> | ah k |
| 08:37 | <Eddi|zuHause> | it says "file or directory not found" |
| 08:37 | <Eddi|zuHause> | it never complained before... |
| 08:37 | <+glx> | missing include file |
| 08:38 | <+glx> | maybe this file has been deleted |
| 08:38 | <Eddi|zuHause> | yeah, but i just typed "make", like a thousand times before |
| 08:41 | <Eddi|zuHause> | how do i view the paths gcc searches for include files? |
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| 08:47 | <gynterk> | do make clean |
| 08:47 | <gynterk> | and make again |
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| 08:48 | <Eddi|zuHause> | no, that has nothing to do with it |
| 08:48 | <Eddi|zuHause> | it is the include directories |
| 08:48 | <Eddi|zuHause> | it is missing one |
| 08:48 | <Eddi|zuHause> | where can i set them? |
| 08:49 | <Ailure> | hmm |
| 08:49 | <Ailure> | Now I have decide between patiently awaiting for todays nightly, or to compile it myself. ;) |
| 08:50 | <Ailure> | my compile tools are in a mess |
| 08:50 | <Ailure> | :/ |
| 08:50 | <@Belugas> | wait, and until then, roam the grfcrawler ;) |
| 08:51 | <Ailure> | I guess |
| 08:51 | <Ailure> | there was this other newindustry set apart from PBI |
| 08:51 | <Ailure> | so I guess I should check it out :P |
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| 09:04 | <Eddi|zuHause> | AAARRRGHHH |
| 09:04 | <Eddi|zuHause> | i can't find the solution |
| 09:04 | <Eddi|zuHause> | the files are in /usr/src/linux/include |
| 09:09 | <Eddi|zuHause> | but i can't find where to setup that it should search there |
| 09:09 | <Eddi|zuHause> | there must be somebody here who can configure gcc... google does not tell me _ANYTHING_ |
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| 09:19 | <Eddi|zuHause> | something is weird... my ore wagons look like they are transporting wood... |
| 09:21 | <Eddi|zuHause> | actually, the graphics don't change whatever i refit to |
| 09:22 | <gfldex> | Eddi|zuHause: when you run configure on gcc (what you dont but your ditro does) you set a prefix-dir |
| 09:23 | <gfldex> | the libc (that comes with gcc) is using that to tell where it looks for includes |
| 09:23 | <Eddi|zuHause> | grr... something made openttd load dir default to ~/.openttd/save instead of bin/openttd/save |
| 09:23 | <gfldex> | that's why you use a symlink for /usr/src/linux all the time |
| 09:24 | <Eddi|zuHause> | yeah, i found the symlink part after half an hour of googling |
| 09:25 | <Eddi|zuHause> | that's half an hour of wasted time, if someone with a tiny bit of experience could have told me |
| 09:25 | <gfldex> | you could have asked me :) |
| 09:25 | <Eddi|zuHause> | i did... i shouted it into this channel |
| 09:26 | <valhallasw> | gfldex: I remind some message of linus about /usr/src/linux symlinking |
| 09:28 | <Eddi|zuHause> | some tutorial deep down in the google results told me to symlink /usr/src/linux/include/linux to /usr/include/linux |
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| 09:29 | <valhallasw> | yes |
| 09:29 | <valhallasw> | however |
| 09:29 | <valhallasw> | "Some kernel documentation recommends creating a symlink from /usr/src/linux pointing to the kernel source directory. This is specific to kernels prior to the 2.6 series and must not be created on an LFS system as it can cause problems for packages you may wish to build once your base LFS system is complete." |
| 09:29 | <valhallasw> | prior LFS version noted a post by linus about that |
| 09:30 | <valhallasw> | which was more a reaction to gfldex's point 'that's why you use a symlink for /usr/src/linux all the time', than your question |
| 09:31 | <gfldex> | and the problem is that your symlink can be overwritten without you noticing |
| 09:31 | <dihedral> | Rubidium: to reload the config file between the end of a served game and the new game |
| 09:32 | <dihedral> | do i only need LoadFromConfig() ? |
| 09:32 | <gfldex> | that's why you should create a package for your distro instead of simply copying files around |
| 09:32 | <gfldex> | but nobody is doing that :) |
| 09:32 | <dihedral> | or am i (as i assume i am) missing something |
| 09:32 | <valhallasw> | gfldex: debian makes it easy enough ;) |
| 09:34 | <Eddi|zuHause> | hm, this is definitely a regression of some sort... in temperate climate, the DBSetXL wagons work fine, but in Alpine climate, the wagons do not change the visualisation on refit |
| 09:38 | <Eddi|zuHause> | it used to work fine around r11150 |
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| 09:47 | <Eddi|zuHause> | it appears to be fine for wood, coal, goods and grain, but not for ore... weird |
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| 09:53 | <dihedral> | _opt = _opt_newgame works fine |
| 09:53 | <dihedral> | _patches = _patches_newgame works fine too |
| 09:53 | <dihedral> | _grfconfig = _grfconfig_newgame segfaults |
| 09:53 | <dihedral> | any thoughts on what i might be doing wrong? |
| 09:54 | <+glx> | there's a function for grfconfig |
| 09:55 | <+glx> | ResetGRFConfig(bool) |
| 09:56 | <ln-> | http://users.utu.fi/lanurm/kuvat/tmp/ottd-saari.png |
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| 09:59 | <ln-> | are there plans to introduce a special icon for tram stops? |
| 09:59 | <Eddi|zuHause> | hm... somehow i read "Kekse" :p |
| 09:59 | <dihedral> | kekse? |
| 09:59 | <Eddi|zuHause> | ln-: there are no special icons for railtypes either |
| 09:59 | <dihedral> | mit milch |
| 10:00 | <Eddi|zuHause> | dihedral: in the picture, the station name |
| 10:00 | <dihedral> | oh :-( |
| 10:00 | <ln-> | Eddi|zuHause: true, but is such distinction made in real-life icons for maglev and normal trains? |
| 10:01 | <dihedral> | ln-: i dont see 'icons' in 'real-life' |
| 10:01 | <Eddi|zuHause> | i have not seen that many monorails in common use |
| 10:02 | <Eddi|zuHause> | dihedral: ever been on a train station? |
| 10:02 | <Eddi|zuHause> | there are dozens of "icons" |
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| 10:03 | <Eddi|zuHause> | (most commonly giving directions: "platforms", "tickets", "toilet") |
| 10:03 | <dihedral> | Eddi|zuHause: i tend to call those 'signs' |
| 10:03 | <blathijs> | I don't think there is any usuable real-life analogy for this :-) |
| 10:03 | <Eddi|zuHause> | what's an icon otherwise? |
| 10:04 | <+glx> | an image |
| 10:04 | <+glx> | logo... |
| 10:05 | <Eddi|zuHause> | yeah, that's what i am talking about, you have an image of a man, and that means "men's toilet this way" |
| 10:05 | <Eddi|zuHause> | you have a picture of a woman... similar meaning |
| 10:05 | <dihedral> | "folow the icon" or "follow the sign"? |
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| 10:07 | <dihedral> | thank you glx for mentioning that function |
| 10:07 | <Phazorx> | i guess icon is a none verbal sign, the pictogramm only |
| 10:07 | <dihedral> | that worked :-) |
| 10:07 | <ln-> | blathijs: are you saying the icons on the station name are in no way analogous to the signs used at bus stops, railway stations and tram stops of real life? |
| 10:07 | <Eddi|zuHause> | Phazorx: yes, and that is what you find at stations |
| 10:08 | <ln-> | at least over here the bus stop sign has a picture of a bus, and a tram stop has a picture of a tram. |
| 10:08 | <Eddi|zuHause> | ln-: trams and busses use the same sign for stops here |
| 10:08 | <Eddi|zuHause> | usually a big H |
| 10:08 | <blathijs> | ln-: yes |
| 10:08 | <Eddi|zuHause> | or a HH for big stations |
| 10:08 | <dihedral> | glx: i can finally change my cfg file, and when the server starts a new game it will reload the config file ;-) |
| 10:09 | <blathijs> | ln-: Though "in no way" is probably not entirely true |
| 10:09 | <ln-> | Eddi|zuHause: what a pity. |
| 10:09 | <Eddi|zuHause> | ln-: a differentiation is only made on the signs that tell which lines stop here |
| 10:10 | <Eddi|zuHause> | you have "[Tram] 5 Bad Dürrenberg", or "[Bus] 22 Heide-Nord" |
| 10:10 | <ln-> | Eddi|zuHause: over here, the traffic signs with trams are (unfortunately) only used in one city currently. |
| 10:10 | <Eddi|zuHause> | ln-: often, trams and busses use the same stations here |
| 10:10 | <Ammller> | dihedral: so with Progman's config tool and your patch, no ssh access needed anymore... |
| 10:11 | <Eddi|zuHause> | same in openttd, if you have both a road and a rail, trams and busses can stop there |
| 10:12 | <dihedral> | Ammller: yes |
| 10:12 | <dihedral> | Ammller: i added a patch setting so you can disable it :-) |
| 10:13 | <Ammller> | hmm, is that a "server only" patch? |
| 10:13 | <dihedral> | well - yes |
| 10:13 | <dihedral> | or would you in a normal game change your config file other than using openttd's interface |
| 10:13 | <ln-> | Eddi|zuHause: except in openttd the icon happens to have a picture of a bus -- even if your station doesn't have road. |
| 10:13 | <dihedral> | so that it will have affect on your next game |
| 10:13 | <Ammller> | oh man, its nice watching snow on the Alpine grf :) |
| 10:14 | <Ammller> | dihedral: I just mean, is it possible to patch only the server for using it? |
| 10:15 | <dihedral> | yes |
| 10:15 | <Eddi|zuHause> | ln-: typical station sign in germany: http://www.kvg-braunschweig.de/Images/bhbhschild.jpg |
| 10:16 | <dihedral> | Ammller: http://pub.dihedral.de/openttd/nextgame_reload_config.patch |
| 10:16 | <dihedral> | that is an svn diff |
| 10:16 | <ln-> | Eddi|zuHause: yeah, i remember seeing those |
| 10:16 | <dihedral> | Ammller: still have to remove the debug messages i added :-P |
| 10:16 | <Eddi|zuHause> | incidentally, they look similar in east and west germany ;) |
| 10:17 | <ln-> | Eddi|zuHause: typical local-traffic bus stop sing in finland: http://alk.tiehallinto.fi/www2/liikennemerkit/images/531.gif and similar for tram stops: http://alk.tiehallinto.fi/www2/liikennemerkit/images/533.gif |
| 10:17 | <Eddi|zuHause> | (typically a sign that the design is older than that) |
| 10:17 | <dihedral> | there - updated |
| 10:19 | <Eddi|zuHause> | Ammller: do you use DBSetXL in Alpine? |
| 10:19 | <dihedral> | Eddi|zuHause: note that you are calling them 'signs' not 'icons' :_) |
| 10:19 | <dihedral> | s/_/-/ |
| 10:19 | <Eddi|zuHause> | dihedral: yes, signs have icons on them... |
| 10:19 | <dihedral> | :-P |
| 10:19 | <Ammller> | Eddi|zuHause: yes, but I guess its not working atm, (the alpine set) |
| 10:20 | <Ammller> | a farm always disapear |
| 10:20 | <Phazorx> | icon has too many meaning, what you have in mind called "pictogram" |
| 10:20 | <Eddi|zuHause> | yeah, i had similar problem... they said they fixed it, but some check must have slipped |
| 10:21 | <Eddi|zuHause> | Ammller: can you confirm my refit problem with the ore wagons (1930's version)? |
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| 10:21 | <Rafagd> | hi all |
| 10:21 | <dihedral> | hello |
| 10:22 | <Ammller> | Eddi|zuHause: Low side waggon? |
| 10:22 | <Eddi|zuHause> | Ammller: yes, the 4 axle version |
| 10:23 | <Ammller> | or Gondola? |
| 10:23 | <Eddi|zuHause> | Ammller: i noticed that the farms survive if you used the production cheat on them during the first month |
| 10:23 | <Ammller> | hmm, has waggons no introduce infos? |
| 10:23 | <Eddi|zuHause> | Ammller: no, the gondola appears much later |
| 10:23 | <+glx> | Eddi|zuHause: disable smooth economy |
| 10:24 | <Ammller> | Eddi|zuHause: and what shouldn't work? |
| 10:25 | <Eddi|zuHause> | Ammller: the wagon shows as if it is loading wood |
| 10:25 | <Eddi|zuHause> | instead of ore |
| 10:29 | <Ammller> | ok, I try that, glx, with disable smoth econmy it seems to work |
| 10:30 | <Ammller> | hmm, shouldn't the farm production be 0, when there is snow? |
| 10:30 | <+glx> | it is |
| 10:31 | <Prof_Frink> | Not if you're farming penguins. |
| 10:32 | <Ammller> | glx, needs it "full snow"? (whole white tile) |
| 10:32 | <Eddi|zuHause> | Ammller: the farm itself should turn snowy |
| 10:33 | <ln-> | how bad does this look: http://users.utu.fi/lanurm/ottd/tramstops.png |
| 10:34 | <Eddi|zuHause> | very... |
| 10:34 | <ln-> | thanks |
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| 10:36 | <ln-> | and this too? http://users.utu.fi/lanurm/ottd/tramstops2.png |
| 10:36 | <Eddi|zuHause> | so far, around half the issues i had with the alpine climate have been fixed, and one was added |
| 10:37 | <Eddi|zuHause> | still bad... the tram should not be significantly smaller than the bus |
| 10:37 | <ln-> | the bus is too big |
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| 10:38 | <ln-> | and i assume it's not ok if the pantograph doesn't fit on the light blue background area. |
| 10:38 | <Eddi|zuHause> | suggestion: remove one pixel from the bus, add a pixel on top of it as the pantograph, and add one line representing the catenary |
| 10:41 | <huma> | what's this "improved tree algorithm"? |
| 10:41 | <Eddi|zuHause> | it changes the way how trees are distributed at startup |
| 10:42 | <huma> | supposed to be "better"? |
| 10:42 | <Eddi|zuHause> | not "better", "improved" ;) |
| 10:42 | <huma> | ok :) |
| 10:42 | <Ammller> | Eddi|zuHause: I am not able to "build" a forest |
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| 10:43 | <huma> | terragenesis is also an "improved" version of the original generator? |
| 10:43 | <Ammller> | it always says "must be over snowline" |
| 10:43 | <huma> | Ammller: on arctic? |
| 10:50 | <Ammller> | huma: yes |
| 10:50 | <Ammller> | and how to build a brewery? |
| 10:53 | <huma> | yes, it has to be over snowline on arctic |
| 10:55 | <Ammller> | huma: I liked to build it in snow, everything is white there... |
| 10:56 | <huma> | yes, i like arctic myself :) snowy and windy :) |
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| 11:00 | <Ammller> | huma: I have not arctic, I have alpine |
| 11:01 | <huma> | ah, just hilly? |
| 11:01 | <huma> | is there a way to boost some industry? |
| 11:01 | <Ammller> | green grass and snowy mountains |
| 11:02 | <huma> | sweet |
| 11:02 | <Ammller> | ctrl-alt-c |
| 11:03 | <huma> | great.. oil production goes down by 13% just when i built the route |
| 11:04 | <huma> | evil opec games |
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| 11:18 | <ln-> | one could argue that most airports are not approximately squares. |
| 11:22 | <ln-> | rather 3:1 or 4:1 |
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| 11:24 | <Ammller> | hmm, where is Eddi gone? |
| 11:24 | <Ammller> | I like to append ottd to gdb, but its not accessable over internet then... |
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| 11:28 | <Wolf01> | wooo newindustries |
| 11:28 | <Wolf01> | ehm, hello :D |
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| 11:54 | <ln-> | Wolf01: what do you say, http://users.utu.fi/lanurm/ottd/tramstops2.png |
| 11:54 | <Wolf01> | the tram icon? |
| 11:54 | <ln-> | (it's not an authentic screenshot) |
| 11:54 | <ln-> | yes |
| 11:55 | <Wolf01> | nice |
| 11:55 | <Wolf01> | maybe make it bigger, only half a tram with the pantograph |
| 11:55 | <Wolf01> | so it seem bold like the others |
| 11:56 | <ln-> | i'm not sure how big can it be, now it's 12x7. |
| 11:56 | <ln-> | which is also the maximum of others |
| 11:57 | <Wolf01> | uhm, let me do some tryouts |
| 11:58 | <Rafagd> | ln-: |
| 11:58 | <Rafagd> | how about you put a bus, with that thing to collect eletricity on top? |
| 11:59 | <ln-> | Rafagd: the bus is 6 pixels high already. |
| 12:00 | <@Belugas> | ln, just a question : what would you suggest for the bus equivalent? |
| 12:00 | <@Belugas> | i mean, the tram station is the same as the bus station, just with wires |
| 12:01 | <ln-> | Belugas: there can be tram stations without road. |
| 12:01 | <@Belugas> | mmh... got a point |
| 12:01 | <ln-> | Belugas: so i suggest there would be both bus and tram sign if both are possible. |
| 12:01 | <Rafagd> | ln-: hm.. reduce 1~2px high from bus, then put a line in the midle. (as it was two color) |
| 12:02 | <ln-> | Belugas: "if both are possible" = if there is both road and wires in that column |
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| 12:04 | <Wolf01> | http://wolf01.game-host.org/OTTD_related/tramico.png <- picross helps |
| 12:07 | <ln-> | my third attempt: http://users.utu.fi/lanurm/ottd/tramstops3.png (height increased to 8 pixels, i'm not sure if that's acceptable) |
| 12:07 | <Prof_Frink> | Wolf01: That's very similar to what I just made |
| 12:07 | <Wolf01> | i think is not needed so much detail.. is an icon :P |
| 12:08 | <ln-> | i think the pantograph needs to be what it's like in my version |
| 12:08 | <ln-> | to be recongizable as pantograph |
| 12:08 | <+glx> | ln-: don't forget cargo trams :) |
| 12:09 | <ln-> | glx: of course not. :) maybe the same + some windows painted black. |
| 12:09 | <Prof_Frink> | http://www.alanblanchflower.co.uk/images/ottd-tram.png |
| 12:10 | <ln-> | Prof_Frink: it's a good icon, but makes me think of trolley buses, not trams. :/ |
| 12:11 | <@Belugas> | i prefer Wolf01's approach, to be honest |
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| 12:11 | <Digitalfox> | TrueBrain: http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/OpenTTD is down :\ |
| 12:11 | <@Belugas> | Prof_Frink's not too bad either :D |
| 12:12 | <Digitalfox> | By the way, nice work belugas :) |
| 12:13 | <@Belugas> | thanks |
| 12:13 | <@Belugas> | but i'm far from been the only one on the adventure ;) |
| 12:13 | <Rubidium> | Digitalfox: that isn't something TrueBrain can do something about |
| 12:14 | <ln-> | one more attempt: http://users.utu.fi/lanurm/ottd/tramstops4.png |
| 12:14 | <Digitalfox> | Rubidium: Right, so who can? |
| 12:15 | <Rubidium> | I absolutely do not have a single clue |
| 12:15 | <ln-> | Wolf01: could we see your version in context? |
| 12:15 | <Digitalfox> | ok |
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| 12:19 | <ln-> | of my own drawings i probably like number 3 the most. |
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| 12:19 | <Wolf01> | http://wolf01.game-host.org/OTTD_related/tramico_in_context.png |
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| 12:21 | <ln-> | Wolf01: btw, i used this finnish traffic sign as an inspiration for my version: http://alk.tiehallinto.fi/www2/liikennemerkit/images/533.gif |
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| 12:27 | <huma> | ln-: what's that? |
| 12:27 | <ln-> | what's what? |
| 12:27 | <huma> | ln-: http://users.utu.fi/lanurm/ottd/tramstops4.png |
| 12:27 | <huma> | is it a patched version? |
| 12:27 | <ln-> | no, it's a fake. |
| 12:29 | <Ailure> | hmm |
| 12:29 | <Ailure> | that one looks the best anyway |
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| 12:30 | <Ailure> | the others looks totally alien in TT :) |
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| 12:33 | <dihedral> | there is no ifdef for dedicated servers? |
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| 12:50 | <CIA-4> | OpenTTD: rubidium * r11205 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Codechange: remove some, now obsolete, checks. |
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| 12:53 | <CIA-4> | OpenTTD: rubidium * r11206 /trunk/src/road_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#1299]: half tram bits could be removed in some cases. Based on patches by frosch and skidd13. |
| 12:53 | <CIA-4> | OpenTTD: glx * r11207 /trunk/src/industry_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#1301]: don't use smooth_economy for industries using production callbacks as they may have no production for more than a month |
| 12:55 | <CIA-4> | OpenTTD: rubidium * r11208 /trunk/src/tunnelbridge_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#1300]: tunnel excavation could disown somebody elses owned land. Patch by frosch. |
| 12:55 | <Ailure> | talk about last minute commits |
| 12:56 | <Rubidium> | last minute? |
| 12:56 | <Rubidium> | what are you talking about? |
| 12:56 | <Ailure> | the nightly is compiled within a few minutes |
| 12:56 | <Ailure> | :p |
| 12:57 | <Rubidium> | we haven't paused the nightly compile farm |
| 12:57 | <Ailure> | heh |
| 12:57 | <Prof_Frink> | Last minute is different OS' nightlies being different revs |
| 12:58 | <Rubidium> | Prof_Frink: that is like... can't happen |
| 12:58 | <Ailure> | just thought it was funny seeing severeal commits within ten minutes before the todays nightly compiles |
| 12:58 | <Prof_Frink> | I know |
| 12:59 | <@Belugas> | we just want to beark today's nightly ;) |
| 12:59 | <Prof_Frink> | Unless you go checkout/compile win32/checkout/compile win64/checkout... |
| 12:59 | <Prof_Frink> | Which would just be silly. |
| 13:01 | <dihedral> | Rubidium: for network servers because others dont have a reason to be editing the config by hand or via another tool |
| 13:01 | <Ailure> | hmm |
| 13:01 | <Ailure> | the compile farm started |
| 13:01 | <Ailure> | just the source listed for now |
| 13:01 | <dihedral> | Rubidium: moved it to network settings http://pub.dihedral.de/openttd/network_nextgame_reload_cfg.patch |
| 13:02 | <Ailure> | I'm hammering the nightly page |
| 13:02 | <Ailure> | xD |
| 13:02 | <Ailure> | there we go |
| 13:02 | <Ailure> | win32 appeared |
| 13:02 | <Ailure> | and downloaded |
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| 13:03 | <dihedral> | never logon to irc with your windows logon :-P |
| 13:04 | <Ailure> | my first thought |
| 13:04 | <Ailure> | xD |
| 13:04 | <Rubidium> | why don't you make it just a command? |
| 13:04 | <dihedral> | Rubidium: because it has to be executed when one game is over and before the next starts... no? |
| 13:05 | [~] | Prof_Frink /whoises everyone to find root@... |
| 13:05 | <Rubidium> | just writing stuff to _patches_newgame instead of _patches |
| 13:05 | <dihedral> | will that work for _opt and the grfconfig ? |
| 13:06 | <dihedral> | will i be able to change the landscape and map size? |
| 13:06 | <Rubidium> | well... I guess so |
| 13:06 | <Ailure> | ack |
| 13:06 | <Ailure> | how was I so stupid |
| 13:06 | <Ailure> | I downloaded the dos version of some GRF |
| 13:06 | <dihedral> | pluss i have to call the command each time i want to load a new cfg |
| 13:06 | <Ailure> | no wonder it was so glitchy looking |
| 13:07 | <Rubidium> | then why add the command to change the variable |
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| 13:07 | <Rubidium> | if you do it each time, you should've configured it in the first place. |
| 13:07 | <dihedral> | say your config sets the var to true |
| 13:08 | <dihedral> | and you like your current setup, but have already made some changes (or someone else has) and would like the next game to have the same newgrfs settings, etc |
| 13:08 | <dihedral> | you can set the var to false and it will not reload the cfg |
| 13:08 | <Rubidium> | then you run "saveconfig" |
| 13:08 | <dihedral> | and overwrite the settings you have already changed |
| 13:12 | <dihedral> | Rubidium: you find that makes no sense or is too 'complicated'? |
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| 13:25 | <Ammller> | hmm, I had my assert |
| 13:25 | <Ammller> | but can't run it with dbg |
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| 13:27 | <mcbane> | hmm |
| 13:27 | <mcbane> | in ECS construction yard accept nothing and produce nothing =/ |
| 13:28 | <@Belugas> | could you specify which ECS and which version? |
| 13:29 | <@Belugas> | and for everyone, a little explanation that would be nice to read: |
| 13:29 | <@Belugas> | http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=34331 |
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| 13:34 | <mcbane> | he didnt update all files are updated on one date |
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| 13:35 | <mcbane> | some are eft out (nothing changed?) |
| 13:36 | <Ammller> | Is there another way to debug it, because I can't use dbg on my server, as it seems. |
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| 13:38 | <Ammller> | dihedral: you know now Autopilot quite well |
| 13:38 | <Ammller> | can you say me, how I can see the depug infos |
| 13:39 | <dihedral> | there are debug infos? |
| 13:40 | <dihedral> | or do you mean the debug info from openttd |
| 13:40 | <Ammller> | yeah, the usal dbg lines |
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| 13:41 | <Ammller> | yeah, I mean the infos from openttd |
| 13:41 | <Ammller> | autopilot seems to filter some of the output |
| 13:42 | <mcbane> | oh yea and in ECS recommended is start with normal ammount of inductry else you get a funny colorful carpet as map. =D |
| 13:44 | <Wolf01> | there's a chance to have the diagonal foundations patch on trunk |
| 13:44 | <Ammller> | someone else testing alpine? |
| 13:45 | <Ammller> | I am not able to place forests (must be over snowline), fish ground and brewery |
| 13:45 | <Ammller> | (oh, is alpine AND newcargo) |
| 13:46 | <Wolf01> | the forest were always allowed only over snowline |
| 13:46 | <Wolf01> | on alpine |
| 13:46 | <dihedral> | Ammller: add http://paste.openttd.org/240 infront of if {[string first "Current/maximum companies: " $linestr] == 0} { |
| 13:47 | <dihedral> | and set your debug_level up :-) |
| 13:47 | <dihedral> | autopilot sets it to 0 when it starts |
| 13:51 | <Ammller> | dihedral: is around row 330 |
| 13:54 | <Ammller> | exp_send "debug_level net=0\r" <-- change to net=3? |
| 13:55 | <Rubidium> | Ammller: the debug output OpenTTD is totally useless in fixing that assertion |
| 13:55 | <Ammller> | if I try to catch the process with dbg openttd <pid>, then the server is not accessable anymore |
| 13:57 | <Rubidium> | cause the pauses the server |
| 13:57 | <Rubidium> | try typing 'cont' |
| 13:58 | <Ammller> | omg |
| 13:59 | <dihedral> | you can chance that value in the game Ammler |
| 13:59 | <dihedral> | or there if you like |
| 14:03 | <dihedral> | reset_company should work the way companies are made backrupt in the game |
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| 14:03 | <dihedral> | i.e. players in that company are made spectators |
| 14:03 | <Ammller> | dihedral: thanks, but Rubidums "cont" seems to work |
| 14:04 | <dihedral> | k |
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| 14:08 | <Ammller> | Rubidium: I don't get any output there, does that write a file? |
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| 14:18 | <Ammller> | thats my output: http://paste.openttd.org/241 |
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| 14:24 | <gfldex> | somebody quickly implement this kind of transportation! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Fqpp-IAXF0 |
| 14:25 | <Rubidium> | Ammller: it only does something when it actually crashes |
| 14:25 | <Rubidium> | and then you must certainly NOT close the application |
| 14:26 | <Rubidium> | I hope you've started that instance of GDB in a screen though |
| 14:26 | <@Bjarni> | wtf |
| 14:26 | <@Bjarni> | possibly drunk driver detected |
| 14:26 | <Rubidium> | gfldex: you can already do that via NewGRFs |
| 14:27 | <@Bjarni> | yeah |
| 14:27 | <@Bjarni> | I don't think that vehicle can pass a safety inspection though |
| 14:27 | <Rafagd> | Bjarni: drunk drivers should be implemented as disasters |
| 14:27 | <Ammller> | Rubidium: of course, I have |
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| 14:29 | <Prof_Frink> | Rafagd: "Drunk driver in TOWNNAME crashes into bus, dies. Bus is slightly damaged" |
| 14:29 | <Rafagd> | Prof_Frink: what if the drunken driver is a bus driver? ;D |
| 14:29 | <@Bjarni> | then he is fired |
| 14:30 | <Rafagd> | Bjarni: after or before the chaos? |
| 14:30 | <@Bjarni> | a few years ago a car hit the last car in a train here. The railroad said that the crossing was functionally normally (they checked the log before telling the press) so this driver was either asleep or drunk |
| 14:31 | <Prof_Frink> | Or just plain stupid |
| 14:31 | <@Bjarni> | even if the crossing didn't work, the train was in the crossing. This is normally reason enough for cars to stop |
| 14:31 | <ln-> | Bjarni: which one do you prefer, http://wolf01.game-host.org/OTTD_related/tramico_in_context.png or http://www.alanblanchflower.co.uk/images/ottd-tram.png or http://users.utu.fi/lanurm/ottd/tramstops3.png or http://users.utu.fi/lanurm/ottd/tramstops4.png ? |
| 14:31 | <Rafagd> | the last car in the train got an scratch? |
| 14:31 | <@Bjarni> | yeah |
| 14:31 | <@Bjarni> | scratched paint |
| 14:32 | <@Bjarni> | and unluckily a busted airpipe |
| 14:32 | <@Bjarni> | so the brake died |
| 14:32 | <Rafagd> | ugh |
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| 14:32 | <@Bjarni> | or rather, wouldn't disengage before being manually disabled on that car |
| 14:32 | <@Bjarni> | that sucks |
| 14:32 | <@Bjarni> | but apart from that, I think it was fine |
| 14:32 | <Rafagd> | anything left from the car? |
| 14:33 | <@Bjarni> | I don't know |
| 14:33 | <Prof_Frink> | In TTD, a vehicle driving into a stationary train at ~2mph suffers a catastrophic explosion. |
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| 14:33 | <hylje> | Prof_Frink: in TTD, a locomotive hitting the rear end of another at 2mph causes both trains to explode dramatically |
| 14:33 | <Rafagd> | Prof_Frink: it's osama's car |
| 14:33 | <@Bjarni> | ohh... and a steering car was damaged (also a few years ago) because it hit a parked car in a crossing o_O |
| 14:34 | <Ailure> | simple |
| 14:34 | <Ailure> | road vehicles consists of anti-train matter |
| 14:34 | <Ailure> | :P |
| 14:34 | <@Bjarni> | still don't beat the incident in Malmö though |
| 14:34 | <Rafagd> | ugh |
| 14:34 | <Rafagd> | utf8 |
| 14:35 | <Ailure> | Malmö |
| 14:35 | <Rafagd> | tks :D |
| 14:35 | <Ailure> | lol no problem |
| 14:35 | <Ailure> | :P |
| 14:35 | <@Bjarni> | a Swedish railroad worker showed up on the parking lot and it was full, so he parked on a track, that they never used. That day a signal broke and a freight train reversed though that particular track |
| 14:36 | <@Bjarni> | that was one 3 week old volvo that would never look like a volvo again |
| 14:36 | <Rafagd> | i would turn on utf8 my client options, but i'm brazilian, and in brazilian channels, everyone use latin-1 =( |
| 14:36 | <hylje> | haha |
| 14:36 | <@Bjarni> | and AFAIK the insurance don't cover if you do something as stupid as parking on the track |
| 14:36 | <CIA-4> | OpenTTD: rubidium * r11209 /trunk/src/ (landscape.cpp slope.h): -Codechange: remove some magic numbers and bit magic with appropriate enums and functions. Patch by frosch. |
| 14:37 | <Rafagd> | hm... |
| 14:37 | <Rafagd> | anti-magic update |
| 14:37 | <Rafagd> | =( |
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| 14:37 | <m4rk_> | hi |
| 14:37 | <hylje> | when are frosch commit rights expected? |
| 14:38 | <@Bjarni> | some train driver told me this and he thought it was pretty funny to tell how Swedish switching yards do it in reality, though I don't think it's common even for Swedes to do something this stupid :P |
| 14:38 | <@Bjarni> | hi m4rk_ |
| 14:38 | <Rafagd> | ln-: tram4 is better |
| 14:38 | <@Belugas> | [15:40] <hylje> when are frosch commit rights expected? |
| 14:38 | <@Belugas> | [ |
| 14:38 | <@Bjarni> | hylje: that's a concern of the people with commit rights and frosch |
| 14:39 | <@Belugas> | when it will be time :) |
| 14:39 | <Prof_Frink> | So basically, it's when his cheque clears |
| 14:39 | <@Bjarni> | yeah |
| 14:39 | <mcbane> | belugas i change the way ottd loads the newgrf of esc and all is working so far =) |
| 14:39 | <@Belugas> | no, in this case, it is when he will feel ready for it :) |
| 14:40 | <@Bjarni> | Belugas: one will not rule out the other one ;) |
| 14:40 | <@Belugas> | mcbane: nice, but... could you share? |
| 14:41 | <mcbane> | i lokoed in the ecs thread hows the order of files to be loaded. |
| 14:41 | <@Belugas> | Bjarni: so you're the one who stole the check! |
| 14:41 | <@Bjarni> | what check? |
| 14:41 | <@Bjarni> | I don't know what you are talking about |
| 14:41 | <mcbane> | belugas share? |
| 14:41 | <mcbane> | *: |
| 14:41 | <@Belugas> | like... tell us of your experience :) |
| 14:41 | <@Bjarni> | mcbane: yeah... like posting a diff somewhere |
| 14:42 | <@Belugas> | like: which ECS did you uised, waht was the wrong order, which is the right order, etc.. |
| 14:42 | <mcbane> | umm.. i used the normal ESC grfs files i got from georges page |
| 14:42 | <@Belugas> | all of them? |
| 14:42 | <@Belugas> | some of them? |
| 14:43 | <dihedral> | hehe - that patch works well :-) |
| 14:43 | <mcbane> | all |
| 14:43 | <@Belugas> | and not the ones from the forums? |
| 14:43 | <mcbane> | well all normal ones not the used for |
| 14:43 | <mcbane> | the normal climate (not desert/alpine) |
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| 14:44 | <mcbane> | i wrote him a pm if he can get all his file on one date (update) so no one get confused whith all the different dated and versions. |
| 14:57 | <CIA-4> | OpenTTD: rubidium * r11210 /trunk/src/viewport.cpp: -Codechange: unify the way that selection sprites are drawn. Patch by frosch. |
| 14:58 | <mcbane> | hmm generating instustry is no quite long |
| 14:58 | <ln-> | Bjarni: do you have me on ignore? |
| 14:59 | <@Bjarni> | I don't think so |
| 14:59 | <ln-> | ok, good |
| 14:59 | <ln-> | see my line at 21:31 CET |
| 14:59 | <@Bjarni> | oh you posted links |
| 15:00 | <@Bjarni> | I guess I had you on a mental ignore :P |
| 15:00 | <@Bjarni> | either that or I paid too much attention to the other thing I was doing at that time |
| 15:01 | <@Bjarni> | I think 4 is the best one, but it's not my decision alone |
| 15:01 | <@Bjarni> | I would totally object to the first one (it really looks odd) and the 2nd one looks more like a trolly bus |
| 15:01 | <ln-> | Bjarni: the whole decision of whether trams should have their own icon is yet to be made, i guess. |
| 15:02 | <@Bjarni> | that too |
| 15:02 | <ln-> | although the correct answer is that they should. |
| 15:02 | <Rafagd> | i think they shoudn't |
| 15:02 | <@Bjarni> | I think we should try to agree |
| 15:03 | <ln-> | Bjarni: heh, my thoughts exactly abount 2nd one; it's a good icon but looks like a trolley bus, not a tram. |
| 15:03 | <Rafagd> | which would be the same behavior of trains -> eletric trains |
| 15:03 | <Ailure> | well in many cases it would be reduant for me |
| 15:03 | <Prof_Frink> | I don't |
| 15:03 | <Ailure> | many times |
| 15:03 | <Ailure> | my tram stations |
| 15:03 | <Ailure> | can as well be used as bus stations too |
| 15:03 | <@Bjarni> | yeah, this is an issue |
| 15:03 | <ln-> | Rafagd: but trams aren't electrified buses. |
| 15:05 | <@Bjarni> | btw indicating that I like the 4th best isn't the same as we should use that one |
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| 15:05 | <@Bjarni> | IF we use a sprite for this, then nobody said that it has to be one of your sprites |
| 15:05 | <skidd13> | good evening |
| 15:06 | <@Bjarni> | we will naturally use the best one we have access to at the time we should pick one |
| 15:06 | <@Bjarni> | hi skidd13 |
| 15:06 | <ln-> | Bjarni: naturally |
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| 15:09 | <skidd13> | src/newgrf_industries.cpp line 216 is evil :D |
| 15:10 | <Ailure> | What does it do? |
| 15:10 | <skidd13> | byte colour1, colour2; ///< Not initializing these two will give some kind of random |
| 15:10 | <+glx> | skidd13: we know the potential problem |
| 15:11 | <@Belugas> | skidd13 : http://devs.openttd.org/~belugas/Industries/var45_protect.diff |
| 15:12 | <skidd13> | Belugas: Ahh :) Better |
| 15:13 | <@Belugas> | problem is that i used the same logic (but in ottd environnement) as what the asm code is doing in ttdp |
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| 15:14 | <skidd13> | So tainted code or what? |
| 15:14 | <@Belugas> | well... to a process level yes |
| 15:15 | <@Belugas> | or to a logical process... |
| 15:15 | <@Belugas> | ttdp does not explicitely set a result to the calling function, making the result basically random |
| 15:16 | <@Belugas> | but we need a controled random process, so it had to be corrected |
| 15:16 | <@Belugas> | just in case something could go wrong |
| 15:16 | <skidd13> | Agreed |
| 15:16 | <@Belugas> | Rubidium spotted it almost instantaneously |
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| 15:17 | <skidd13> | I noticed it earlier too, but thought it would be solved after a few revisons. (Thought of devs with g++ environment) |
| 15:18 | <skidd13> | Can someone of the devs check FS1263 |
| 15:19 | <@Belugas> | if it involves Vadim, no way! |
| 15:20 | <skidd13> | LOL no don't mention this name. |
| 15:21 | <skidd13> | And no it does not involve the intolerant redmond OS user. |
| 15:21 | <@Belugas> | I do like it. The patch, not the name ;) |
| 15:21 | <skidd13> | Both, cause they do different things |
| 15:22 | <@Belugas> | i don't know how right is patch4, but 5 has my vote |
| 15:22 | <DaleStan> | Belugas: Since we're talking about it, is newgrf_industries.cpp:234 really supposed to be GetIndustryRandomBits, and not GetIndustryTileRandomBits? |
| 15:22 | <@Belugas> | 4 seems to be fine, just not in the environnemet to deep look |
| 15:22 | [~] | Belugas checks |
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| 15:22 | <Betalord> | hello |
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| 15:23 | <DaleStan> | I don't know if the later name exists, but it seems more logical for the job. |
| 15:23 | <Betalord> | I read that you guys have problems with hosting the server for openttd, was just wondering was that web server or game server (and svn etc.)? |
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| 15:27 | <@Belugas> | DaleStan, do we agree that random bits are coming from the maparray? if so, than var 61 do indeed has the right functionnality. The name may be strange in that context, |
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| 15:28 | <@Belugas> | but it comes from the fact that is is related to the map accessors, who do not make distinction between industry and industry tile |
| 15:28 | <DaleStan> | In TTDPatch, the tile random bits are stored in the map array. The industry random bits are stored in the industry structure. |
| 15:28 | <DaleStan> | So it's just a strange name. OK. |
| 15:29 | <@Belugas> | now... you make me wonder how we call it :) |
| 15:29 | [~] | Belugas goes back in searching |
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| 15:34 | <@Belugas> | DaleStan, where on specs are those industry random bits specified? |
| 15:36 | <DaleStan> | RandomAction2, albeit indirectly, under the Industry Tiles section. |
| 15:38 | <DaleStan> | The 16 (I think; Firefox is not behaving right now) random bits that all tiles share, accessed with type 83. |
| 15:39 | <@Belugas> | so, it is 8 bits on map array and 16 on industry struct itself... |
| 15:39 | <@Belugas> | mmh... |
| 15:42 | <dihedral> | network_nextgame_reload_cfg patch in the forums :-) http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=34333 |
| 15:43 | <@Belugas> | DaleStan, looks like we do not have that structure |
| 15:44 | <dihedral> | @seen Chris82 |
| 15:44 | <@DorpsGek> | dihedral: Chris82 was last seen in #openttd 2 weeks, 5 days, 12 hours, 16 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <Chris82> good morning |
| 15:46 | <Eddi|zuHause> | it's a long morning ;) |
| 15:46 | <@Bjarni> | whoa |
| 15:46 | <@Bjarni> | is it morning already? |
| 15:46 | <Eddi|zuHause> | yes. |
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| 15:46 | <Eddi|zuHause> | [somewhere] |
| 15:46 | <@Bjarni> | like at Hendikins' |
| 15:46 | <Eddi|zuHause> | yeah, like that... |
| 15:47 | <Eddi|zuHause> | you just beat me :p |
| 15:47 | <@Bjarni> | Hendikins: how is work? :) |
| 15:47 | <Eddi|zuHause> | hm... "new" scrubs episodes tomorrow... |
| 15:47 | <mcbane> | wann? |
| 15:48 | <mcbane> | err when |
| 15:48 | <Eddi|zuHause> | 15:00 or so... |
| 15:48 | <@Bjarni> | cool |
| 15:48 | <Eddi|zuHause> | same time as always |
| 15:48 | <@Bjarni> | I just got informed about an episode from a series that I don't know being transmitted on a channel that I can't see |
| 15:49 | <@Bjarni> | great info |
| 15:49 | <Eddi|zuHause> | i could also tell you that i'm going mushroom hunting tomorrow, if that helps you :p |
| 15:49 | <@Bjarni> | even better |
| 15:50 | <@Bjarni> | it will tell me to put you on ignore when you return |
| 15:50 | <@Bjarni> | maybe even ban for the rest of the day |
| 15:50 | <mcbane> | heh |
| 15:50 | <@Bjarni> | we shouldn't allow high people to spam with nonsense |
| 15:50 | <Eddi|zuHause> | hm... hunting is the wrong word... catching... |
| 15:50 | <@Bjarni> | with nets or traps? |
| 15:50 | <Eddi|zuHause> | yes. |
| 15:50 | <@Bjarni> | hmm |
| 15:51 | <mcbane> | with spears and axes .. |
| 15:51 | <@Bjarni> | what does a mushroom trap look like? |
| 15:51 | <Eddi|zuHause> | you hide behind a tree and jump out if they run past you |
| 15:52 | [~] | Bjarni considers the possibility that Eddi|zuHause already tried some mushrooms |
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| 15:52 | <Eddi|zuHause> | well... and if there is no "Pilz", there's always a "Pils" instead... |
| 15:52 | <@Bjarni> | :D |
| 15:53 | <joosa> | Pils is a tasty beer. |
| 15:53 | <@Bjarni> | ohh that reminds me |
| 15:53 | <@Bjarni> | I got an email the other day telling me that I will likely get an invitation to Carlsberg |
| 15:53 | <@Bjarni> | to see the brewery and stuff |
| 15:53 | <Betalord> | I just downloaded ttd after a long time, windows zip package, upon runing the game it says "Your 'sample.cat' file is corrupted or missing!". How's that? :) |
| 15:54 | <@Bjarni> | Betalord: start by reading the readme :P |
| 15:54 | <Eddi|zuHause> | Betalord: well, your sample cat is corrupted or missing :p |
| 15:54 | <Betalord> | yes I got that part :) |
| 15:54 | <@Bjarni> | most likely missing |
| 15:54 | <Eddi|zuHause> | the readme says what to do about that |
| 15:54 | <Betalord> | ah nevermind, I see now I need data files from iriginal ttd :) |
| 15:55 | <@Bjarni> | basically we don't help people who didn't read this |
| 15:55 | <@Bjarni> | and we might not help people, who are too stupid to understand that part of the readme either :P |
| 15:55 | <Eddi|zuHause> | also, we can't help people to get them... |
| 15:56 | <Betalord> | np, I was just too lazy to open the readme ;) |
| 15:56 | <@Bjarni> | they are available on eBay, but odds are that it's pirated copies and then... well I would never pay for pirated software. It's just wrong on so many levels |
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| 15:58 | <Prof_Frink> | Eddi|zuHause: We can't even tell people about topic 3407 on the forums? |
| 15:59 | <Betalord> | ok, works now |
| 16:00 | <@Bjarni> | well |
| 16:00 | <@Bjarni> | Prof_Frink isn't related to this project... he is just here |
| 16:00 | <@Bjarni> | we aren't responsible for his actions |
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| 16:05 | <Rafagd> | There is any way to tell if a rail is the last one? |
| 16:06 | <Rubidium> | well, if you want to know that, you need to check all tiles for rail |
| 16:06 | <Rafagd> | i just want to know if the rail isn't conected to another in at least 1 side |
| 16:08 | <Rafagd> | Rubidium: there is GetTileByXY? =\ |
| 16:08 | <Rubidium> | TileXY? |
| 16:11 | <Rafagd> | hm... |
| 16:12 | <Rafagd> | if it was a monster |
| 16:12 | <Rafagd> | i was already dead |
| 16:12 | <Rafagd> | =| |
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| 16:32 | <CIA-4> | OpenTTD: rubidium * r11211 /trunk/src/newgrf_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#1302]: NewGRF GUI scrollbar does funny things when being resized. |
| 16:35 | <ln-> | Eddi|zuHause: correction to my earlier reference to "cmdr Data"; he was only a lieutenant commander at the time. |
| 16:36 | <Tefad> | you guys are spazes |
| 16:37 | <ln-> | and oh, he's not even going to be promoted beyond that. |
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| 16:42 | <skidd13> | Rubidium: Damn you. I just wanted to upload the fix... ;) |
| 16:43 | <skidd13> | Rubidium: if ((e->we.sizing.diff.y / 14) > 0 && w->vscroll.pos > 0) w->vscroll.pos--; |
| 16:44 | <Rubidium> | but what if it were two newgrfs outside of the window and you enlarge the window very rapidly (like more than 28 pixels at once) |
| 16:45 | <skidd13> | Hmm, you beat me... |
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| 16:49 | <CIA-4> | OpenTTD: rubidium * r11212 /trunk/src/ (functions.h gfx.cpp gfx.h viewport.cpp viewport.h): -Codechange: add support for drawing parts of sprites. Patch by frosch. |
| 16:50 | <Eddi|zuHause> | what's the purpose of that feature? |
| 16:51 | <Wolf01> | 'night |
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| 16:53 | <Rubidium> | not needing a gazillion sprites when you can get the same result from a single sprite |
| 16:53 | <Rubidium> | one could use it for a less zig-zag transition between the different snow levels on hills/mountains |
| 16:53 | <Eddi|zuHause> | you mean like replacing rail tiles, where you only need part of the tile on bridges? |
| 16:54 | <Rubidium> | that won't work as you need to have something rectangular |
| 16:54 | <Eddi|zuHause> | yeah, i kinda feared that... |
| 16:55 | <Eddi|zuHause> | what disturbs me most about the snowline is the instantaneous transition on rail/road tiles |
| 16:56 | <Eddi|zuHause> | which often is along half-slopes, where you always go between snow and grass, even though the rail is on the same level |
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| 16:56 | <nairan_ZZzz> | night |
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| 17:10 | <skidd13> | night |
| 17:11 | <CIA-4> | OpenTTD: rubidium * r11213 /trunk/src/ (39 files in 3 dirs): -Fix [FS#1298]: confusing messages when trying to build a bridge. |
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| 17:25 | <dihedral> | anybody left? |
| 17:26 | <Rubidium> | well, looking at the amount of people quiting, quite a few people left |
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| 17:28 | <dihedral> | lol - meant 'left inside' ... :-) |
| 17:29 | <Rubidium> | then no |
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| 17:31 | <Sacro> | is the flying dutchman here? |
| 17:35 | <CIA-4> | OpenTTD: glx * r11214 /trunk/src/ (4 files): -Fix [FS#1296]: planes can't use heliports so refuse these orders |
| 17:36 | <+glx> | 22 min, not bad ;) |
| 17:38 | <Sacro> | "This key is only intended for staff and students at Designhögskolan and should not be shared with others." |
| 17:38 | <Sacro> | isn't it funny what googlebot indexes |
| 17:39 | <CIA-4> | OpenTTD: rubidium * r11215 /trunk/src/town_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: replace magic constants with less magic symbols. Patch by skidd13. |
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| 18:27 | <Rav|Here> | hi |
| 18:28 | <Sacro> | hey |
| 18:29 | <Rav|Here> | it's quiet |
| 18:31 | [~] | Ben_1 yells Hello loudly |
| 18:31 | <Rav|Here> | @lemon Ben_1 |
| 18:31 | <Ravbot> | Ben_1 is a lemon! |
| 18:31 | <Rav|Here> | err |
| 18:31 | <Rav|Here> | hi |
| 18:31 | <Ben_1> | hi..! |
| 18:32 | <Rav|Here> | it's still quiet though :p |
| 18:32 | <Rav|Here> | @publiccommands |
| 18:32 | <Ravbot> | @cookie, @smack, @version, @lemon, @boot, @bless, @ascii, @kenny |
| 18:33 | <Tefad> | @lemon |
| 18:33 | <Rav|Here> | @lemon [name] |
| 18:33 | <Ravbot> | [name] is a lemon! |
| 18:33 | <Tefad> | what is thisnonsense |
| 18:35 | <Rav|Here> | it's my bot.. |
| 18:35 | <ln-> | who requested it? |
| 18:35 | <Rav|Here> | it follows me |
| 18:36 | <Tefad> | seriously |
| 18:36 | <Tefad> | stop that ; ) |
| 18:36 | <Rav|Here> | lol,k |
| 18:36 | <Rav|Here> | @part #openttd |
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| 18:36 | <Ben_1> | what the hell... |
| 18:37 | <Tefad> | you are one crazy IRC user |
| 18:37 | <Tefad> | i've not seen something like that since 1998 |
| 18:37 | <Tefad> | did you just step out of a time machine or something? |
| 18:37 | <Rav|Here> | I'm catching up with modern times.. |
| 18:37 | <Tefad> | personal "bots" died out last millennia |
| 18:38 | <Rav|Here> | I'll remember that.. |
| 18:38 | <Tefad> | er millennium. |
| 18:38 | <Rav|Here> | though if they are scripted right they can actually be useful |
| 18:38 | <Tefad> | not really. |
| 18:38 | <Rav|Here> | (they also need to be in the right context) |
| 18:38 | <Tefad> | they're only helpful in social channels that need added amusement |
| 18:39 | <Tefad> | some info bots are handy when users come in asking the same questions over and over |
| 18:39 | <Rav|Here> | I had a few of those: @faq (read the faq), @google (google is your friend) and @search (use the search button) |
| 18:39 | <Rav|Here> | but I never used them :p |
| 18:40 | <Tefad> | google is useless |
| 18:40 | <Tefad> | that's what web browsers are for. |
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| 18:52 | <huma> | ha! 2 subsidies for the same route in a row :) |
| 18:53 | <SmatZ> | huma: it is not a bug, it is a feature |
| 18:53 | <huma> | neat :) |
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| 19:18 | <huma> | hmm, here goes the 3rd subsidy :) |
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| 19:23 | <CIA-4> | OpenTTD: belugas * r11216 /trunk/src/newgrf_industries.cpp: -Codechange: Protect the callback who would access var 45 against a randomness that could eventually cause desynchs. Instead, use a controlled random value. |
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| 20:06 | <Phazorx> | well since PBI is on the menu now we ened to get sac to do trees for alpine... |
| 20:07 | <Sacro> | ZOMG NEWINDUSTRIES |
| 20:07 | <Sacro> | Born_Acorn! NEWINDUSTRIES! |
| 20:07 | <Sacro> | peter1138! newindustries! |
| 20:07 | <Sacro> | @seen peter1138 |
| 20:07 | <@DorpsGek> | Sacro: peter1138 was last seen in #openttd 2 weeks, 6 days, 10 hours, 16 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <peter1138> _minime_, looks good to me |
| 20:08 | <Phazorx> | really tho, default trees look horrable |
| 20:09 | [~] | Sacro considers starting Sacro's Nightly Server |
| 20:10 | <huma> | what? new industries? |
| 20:11 | <Sacro> | yes |
| 20:11 | [~] | Belugas thinks Sacro has been sleeping the whole day... |
| 20:11 | <Sacro> | Belugas: no, at uni, then at a mates |
| 20:15 | <@Belugas> | :) |
| 20:15 | <@Belugas> | looks like a good day :) |
| 20:17 | <@Belugas> | 'night |
| 20:18 | <Sacro> | night |
| 20:19 | <Phazorx> | hmm... how do i get brick chain to work? |
| 20:19 | <+glx> | load PBI first |
| 20:19 | <Phazorx> | or is it temperate only? |
| 20:19 | <Phazorx> | it is loaded 1st, right before |
| 20:25 | <Phazorx> | so only temperate |
| 20:25 | <Phazorx> | and only one quary on 8x8 |
| 20:25 | <Phazorx> | is it "site" based |
| 20:25 | <Phazorx> | have to be particular slope? |
| 20:28 | <+glx> | yes quarry need a specific landscape |
| 20:28 | <Sacro> | openttd over x-forwarding sucks :( |
| 20:29 | <+glx> | laggy Sacro? |
| 20:29 | <Sacro> | glx: yes |
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| 20:39 | <Phazorx> | well 5 quaries on 6 8x8 maps :( |
| 20:39 | <Phazorx> | is there a trick? |
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| 20:42 | <Sacro> | wtf |
| 20:42 | <Sacro> | where does the nightly store openttd.cfg |
| 20:42 | <+glx> | windows? |
| 20:43 | <Sacro> | yes |
| 20:43 | <Sacro> | tell it to GTFO of $HOMEDIR |
| 20:43 | <+glx> | mydocs\openttd by default |
| 20:43 | <+glx> | but if there is one in exe dir it will use it |
| 20:47 | <Sacro> | ooh, t'works |
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| 22:06 | <toresbe> | hey :) |
| 22:06 | <toresbe> | I've got a question about path-based signalling |
| 22:07 | <toresbe> | I'm running latest SVN and I'm running a save game now and I've disabled YAPF to try to build some of these signals |
| 22:07 | <toresbe> | but I can't seem to |
| 22:07 | <toresbe> | any hints? |
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| 22:08 | <toresbe> | is it a build option, or something...? |
| 22:12 | <toresbe> | shit, it's 5am |
| 22:12 | [~] | toresbe goes to bed |
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