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02:58<Wolf01>hello
02:58<Gonozal_VIII>hi
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03:00<Wolf01>[08:59:48] <Llama01> Wolf01: I like to think that i haven't had the misfortune to meet you.
03:00<Wolf01>my bot don't like me :''''(
03:00<Gonozal_VIII>hehe
03:01<hylje>:<
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06:05<TrueBrain>morning guys
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06:15<Wolf01>morning TrueBrain
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06:28<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r11375 /trunk/src/newgrf_industrytiles.cpp: -Fix [FS#1397]: the industry recolour map was always applied when recolouring was turned on, instead of only applying it when the colour translation is '0'.
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06:30<huma>oi
06:32<TrueBrain>hi
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06:33<huma>i'm setting up visual studio to compile openttd on windows
06:33<Rubidium>good luck ;)
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06:34<huma>yea, i looked at the wiki article, it's much easier on linux :)
06:34<Eddi|zuHause2>i would never use visual studio to compile anything on linux :p
06:35<huma>anyway, i need photoshop, so i'm on windows box now
06:35<huma>yea, yea.. go away :)
06:36<Eddi|zuHause2>anyway, it is probably easier to use mingw
06:36<huma>i had it once installed
06:37<huma>i'll just use the wiki article
06:40<huma>TrueBrain, how's your webtt doing? :)
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06:44<huma>must be busy implementing arctic tiles :)
06:44<TrueBrain>huma: silent ;)
06:49<huma>"silence! i kill you!" :)
06:49<hylje>:o
06:49<huma>have you seen achmed the dead terrorist? :)
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06:50<huma>no youtube links allowed, so.. you'll have to find on your own :)
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07:03<SmatZ>hello
07:03<TrueBrain>hi SmatZ
07:03<SmatZ>has been long time...
07:03<SmatZ>hello TrueBrain
07:03<TrueBrain>someone was looking for you yesterday :)
07:03<TrueBrain>how have you been?
07:04<SmatZ>too much work, I got a job... so I do school or job, or I am with my girlfried
07:04<SmatZ>all free time is spent on work...
07:04<SmatZ>I noticed there is a comment at one bugreport :)
07:04<SmatZ>by you
07:05<huma>SmatZ, someone was looking for you yesterday
07:05<SmatZ>TrueBrain: huma who was lloking for me yesterday?
07:05<SmatZ>!logs
07:05<SpComb>Logs: http://spbot.marttila.de:8120/logs/oftc-ottd (old: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd )
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07:06<TrueBrain>SmatZ: no, skidd13 :)
07:06<huma>right, him
07:06<huma>busted
07:06<SmatZ>ah, why?
07:09<SmatZ>I see, he is doing some nice optimizations
07:09<SmatZ>useful work
07:09<SmatZ>TrueBrain: nice, you summoned me... with a little delay
07:09<TrueBrain>:)
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07:10<SmatZ>TrueBrain: about http://bugs.openttd.org/task/1349 - the name of the function is a bit problematic
07:10<SmatZ>I think "IsTransparentByOption()" would be the best, but it is too long
07:11<TrueBrain>SmatZ: the current name for sure is wrong :)
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07:11<TrueBrain>but Belugas told me he is working on it, so check back with him :)
07:11<SmatZ>you are the one who speaks English :)
07:11<SmatZ>I dropped a PM for him
07:14<TrueBrain>you speak english too :p
07:14<TrueBrain>IsTransparentOptionSet is btw in my opinion btw
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07:17<SmatZ>yes, I had IsTransparentOptionSet() in mind, too
07:17<SmatZ>but it is even longer than IsTransparentByOption()
07:17<SmatZ>(by one letter)
07:22<Wolf01>HasTransparentBit
07:23<Rubidium>what about "just" IsTransparent?
07:23<Wolf01>that is for bool imho
07:24<Wolf01>TransparentBitSet
07:24<Rubidium>it returns a bool doesn't it?
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07:25<Rubidium>and do you really care whether the function uses an array of booleans or a bitset internally?
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07:26<Wolf01>ok, IsTransparent seem to be the best suggestion
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07:26<TrueBrain>Rubidium: IsTransparent suggest that you test if that object is transparent... you want to know if the option to make the thing transparent is set
07:27<Rubidium>ShouldBeTransparent then?
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07:39<huma>i vote for IsTransparentOptionSet
07:39<Wolf01>i vote for mine :P
07:40<SmatZ>what about IsSetTransparent / IsSetInvisible?
07:41<SmatZ>IsSetTransparent = 1, if given bit is set, IsSetInvisible = 1 if IsSetTransparent = 1 and given bit in _invisible_opt is set...
07:43<Wolf01>currently there is only the invisibility option for trees
07:43<SmatZ>http://paste.openttd.org/273 this is what it does
07:44<Wolf01>i tried to add it for houses, but there are some problems with newhouses, seem that when the houses are invisible the game can't cache them
07:46<huma>it's based on what i heard, not seen, so there's probably a better solution
07:46<Wolf01>do you think that ctrl-clicking on the transparent widget to make it transparent is a good solution?
07:46<Wolf01>*transparent-invisible
07:47<SmatZ>Wolf01: you may try http://bugs.openttd.org/?getfile=1590 for 11051 to see how I did that
07:48<SmatZ>and if there is any design problem, let me please know
07:48<SmatZ>http://bugs.openttd.org/?getfile=1592
07:48<SmatZ>http://bugs.openttd.org/?getfile=1593
07:49<huma>IsInvisible is the best choice here, but i need to see the logic
07:50<SmatZ>IsInvisible doesn't say (by its name) that it is invisible because of option, it could be understood that it is invisible because, say, of some bit in the newgrf etc.
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07:52<Wolf01>SmatZ, could you fix the ToggleTransparency function in main_gui.cpp by adding the enums instead of use those magic numbers?
07:53<Wolf01>if you want i already have the patch
07:55<Wolf01>should be this, there is also the code to save the enabled transparencies to the cfg http://wolf01.game-host.org/OTTD_related/patches/transparency_save_widget_11340.diff
07:55<Wolf01>if you want to give a look at it, maybe you can find a better way
08:06<@Belugas>SmatZ, i choose IsTransparentOptionSet
08:06<@Belugas>seems to be the vest option for me
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08:08<@Belugas>SmatZ, look at the patch i supplied in http://bugs.openttd.org/task/1209
08:09<@Belugas>saee you
08:10<TrueBrain>hi and bye Belugas :)
08:11<SmatZ>Belugas: ok, I will do it that way
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08:25<@Belugas>hello -- SmatZ, don't bother for the transparnecy, it is almost done and about to be commited --and bye TrueBrain/Smatz :D
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08:54<skidd13>Hi folks
08:55<Wolf01>hello skidd13
08:55<TrueBrain>hi skidd13
08:56<SmatZ>hi skidd13
08:56<skidd13>Ahh the profiler is online :D
08:57<skidd13>SmatZ: you did some profiling runs with OpenTTD, did you?
08:57<SmatZ>skidd13: yes, I did a lot :)
08:58<SmatZ>but I do not archive them
08:59<skidd13>SmatZ: No problem. I'd be pleased if you can do another run with http://bugs.openttd.org/task/1392 against clean trunk :)
09:00<SmatZ>skidd13: actually, I do profiling only on amd64 platform
09:00<SmatZ>hope it won't be a problem
09:01<huma>SmatZ, you need to do some profiling on webtt
09:02<SmatZ>huma: what is webtt?
09:02<huma>omg, you don't know?
09:02<skidd13>SmatZ: no problem... It would be nice to get a little documentation how and what do you profiled, so it can be reproduced on other systems ;)
09:02<huma>oh yes, you've been away
09:03<huma>it's a web based openttd
09:03<SmatZ>skidd13: I will try
09:03<SmatZ>huma: nice, where can I play it?
09:03<skidd13>SmatZ: thanks
09:03<huma>closed source though
09:03<SmatZ>:-(
09:03<huma>ask TrueBrain
09:03<huma>he's the man
09:05<TrueBrain>lol
09:05<TrueBrain>http://81.171.98.110:8084/
09:05<TrueBrain>that is what he means
09:07<TrueBrain>click the image and scroll for crying out loud
09:07<SmatZ>TrueBrain: nice :) it really works!
09:07[~]SmatZ cries!
09:08<huma>:)
09:08<TrueBrain>lol, it crashed again :p
09:08<huma>is it ajax?
09:08<TrueBrain>of course
09:08<TrueBrain>what else
09:08<huma>or some python thing?
09:09<huma>the cause
09:09<TrueBrain>python == server
09:09<TrueBrain>ajax == client
09:09<huma>so have you found what causes the crash?
09:09<TrueBrain>nope
09:09<TrueBrain>HTTPConnections
09:09<TrueBrain>so something deep-core
09:12<SmatZ>TrueBrain: sometimes I get white tiles
09:14<huma>too fast :)
09:17<TrueBrain>SmatZ: sometimes an AJAX times out
09:17<TrueBrain>happens
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09:17<TrueBrain>and an other cras
09:17<TrueBrain>oh well, shutting down
09:20<TrueBrain>annoncement to all: because the current way patches are handled doesn't work, we are introducing a new way. Please read the text at: http://www.openttd.org/dev.php
09:20<TrueBrain>more things to smoothen the process will be introduced over time
09:24<huma>eh.. Cannot open include file: 'table/strings.h'
09:24<SmatZ>TrueBrain: flyspray won't be used anymore?
09:24<TrueBrain>SmatZ: if the maillist works, it will be removed for patches, yes
09:24<TrueBrain>but, the first question is if the maillist makes it better :)
09:25<huma>TrueBrain, where's table/strings.h from?
09:25<TrueBrain>huma: auto-generated, first compile strgen
09:25<huma>ah
09:29<huma>ok, crunching..
09:31<TrueBrain>more info about patches: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=34751
09:33<huma>LINK : fatal error LNK1104: cannot open file '..\objs\win32\debug\ottdres.res'
09:33<huma>why this could be?
09:34<SmatZ>TrueBrain: I did subscribe for the maillist, but I didn't receive any confirmation email - is it possible that it was lost somewhere, in some spam filters?
09:35<SmatZ>or it just has some delay
09:35<TrueBrain>SmatZ: good question :) Let me check..
09:36<LeviathNL>I received my confirmation mail.
09:37<SmatZ>LeviathNL: after how long time?
09:37<LeviathNL>10 secs
09:37<SmatZ>ah
09:38<TrueBrain>SmatZ: see PM
09:40<huma>project build doesn't make ottdres.res for some reason
09:42<TrueBrain>grey-listing is such a nice thing :)
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09:49<TrueBrain>so then now I wonder who will have the first patch sent in ;) Hehe :)
09:49<TrueBrain>first, shopping time!
09:51<SmatZ>I have to go, bye
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09:55<skidd13>Can any dev comment my proposal on the wiki please -> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Talk:Coding_style
09:55<BigBB>TrueBrain, btw. http://maillist.openttd.org/pipermail/svn/ don't work for me
09:56<TrueBrain>BigBB: SVN archive is canceled, yes
09:56<TrueBrain>as we have http://svn.openttd.org :)
09:56<BigBB>ah okay, thx
09:58<TrueBrain>skidd13: looks very good
09:58<TrueBrain>I Say, put it in the real article :)
09:59<skidd13>Ok
09:59<TrueBrain>"private and protected members are preceded by "m_"" <- that is even new to me ;)
10:00<TrueBrain>the coding style became much bigger since last time I checked it :)
10:00<TrueBrain>anyway, it was time to do some shopping I said :) Bbl :)
10:01<huma>shop for some pizza? :)
10:02<Sacro>hmmm
10:02<Sacro>OpenTTD own't build
10:03<Sacro>Error 1 error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol "unsigned int _openttd_newgrf_version" (?_openttd_newgrf_version@@3IA) newgrf.obj
10:04<huma>what rev?
10:05<Sacro>head
10:05<huma>11376 builds just fine
10:08<BigBB>Sacro, do you compile with MSVC ?
10:08<Sacro>BigBB: yeah
10:08<BigBB>yave you add a new .cpp or .h file ?
10:09<Sacro>nope
10:10<BigBB>have your MSVC a new installation (configured right) ?
10:10<Sacro>yeah i think so
10:10<Sacro>it's compiled before
10:11<BigBB>hmm (I don't like MSVC, therefore I use now Linux/make)
10:13<BigBB>mom, I think you must add a #include "abc.h" , but not sure. try or wait till someone else have an idea :)
10:13<Sacro>ah
10:13<Sacro>.vcproj woirks
10:13<Sacro>.sln doesnt
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10:17<huma>openglx :)
10:17<BigBB>Sacro, I think you haven't edit corewin_express.vsprops have a look in it
10:17<Sacro>should i have to?
10:18<huma>Sacro, http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/MicrosoftVisualCExpress
10:18<Sacro>not running express
10:19<Sacro>yes
10:19<Sacro>the sln fails
10:19<Sacro>however the vcproj doesn't
10:19<huma>it's for pro as well, as it turns out
10:23<BigBB>"unresolved external symbol" is ever a missing lib IIRC
10:26<Eddi|zuHause2>but if it is clearly an openttd symbol, it is rather a missing file in the to-be-linked list
10:28<huma>hmm, my build didn't set the rev number. it says: norev0000
10:29<skidd13>Any GFX expert in here. I'm unsure if that is a render or a photo http://interfacelift.com/wallpaper/downloads/01213_wayoutwest_1280x1024.jpg
10:30<huma>nah, render
10:30<huma>or really tweaked hdr
10:30<+glx>huma: do you have svn?
10:31<huma>many hdr's look artificial
10:31<huma>yes, 11376, just checked out
10:33<Sacro>skidd13: render
10:33<skidd13>huma: That's why I asked. I was unsure. The plants in the front look real, but I'm usure about the mounbians
10:33<skidd13>:%s /mounbians/mountains/
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10:40<huma>on windows, ~/.openttd corresponds to %userprofile%/application data/openttd, but it writes to my documents
10:42<Sacro>http://www.mak-racing.org/site/images/07screenshots/webber.jpg
10:42<Sacro>now that is sexy
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10:51<TrueBrain>burp
10:52<TrueBrain>huma: the more logical place for Windows users
10:55<skidd13>Sacro: Mix of modified photo and render
10:55<huma>it's the official guideline for application data
10:56<huma>it should be there
10:56<TrueBrain>huma: what? Are there guidelines for Windows?
10:56<+glx>but nobody put it there
10:56<huma>better tell me, where the rev number is generated which appeares in the window title?
10:56<+glx>even MS don't do that for its games
10:57<+glx>VC or mingw?
10:57<huma>vc
10:57<+glx>it's done in a vbs
10:57<huma>vbs?
10:57<huma>eek
10:58<huma>i don't have it
10:59<huma>quite elaborate script
11:00<+glx>projects\determineversion.vbs
11:00<huma>ah, got it
11:00<huma>yes, looking at it
11:00<huma>svn wasn't in path
11:00<+glx>how can you use it then?
11:01<huma>it's a new system, i just instaleld vs and svn today :)
11:01<huma>i just set path quickly in console
11:01<+glx>you can use TSVN too
11:02<huma>nah, i prefer console
11:02<TrueBrain>then why use MSVC?
11:02<+glx>easier to install than mingw/msys
11:03<TrueBrain>console... easy..? :)
11:03<huma>cause that's what i read on openttd.org :)
11:04<huma>well, it works anyway
11:04<TrueBrain>don't believe everything you read ;)
11:04<TrueBrain>MWHAHAHAHAHAHA
11:04<huma>haha..
11:04<TrueBrain>once again, I am in a phase of being bored
11:05<huma>i generally believe that people have good intentions. openttd folks have a higher probability :)
11:08<Noldo_>TrueBrain: has the patch mailing list been active?
11:08<TrueBrain>Noldo_: active as in: it works, yes
11:08<TrueBrain>active as in: someone posted already: no
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11:09<huma>TrueBrain, hey, bored? didn't you buy pizza? :)
11:09<TrueBrain>huma: nope
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11:09<huma>that reminds me, i have it in the fridge! :)
11:10[~]huma goes to make one
11:10<TrueBrain>lucky for me, I have better food than that
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11:13<Sacro>alas poor yorick!
11:13<yorick>?
11:13<Sacro>yorick: shakespear!
11:14<Noldo>I wonder if I can do the replace thing in commandcost patch with a regexp
11:14<Sacro>I knew him, Horatio: a fellow of infinate jest, of most excellent fancy...
11:15<huma>99 bottles?
11:16<TrueBrain>Noldo: dunno, would be nice ;)
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11:46<trainlord>hello all
11:47<TrueBrain>hi trainlord
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12:09<Desolator>hi guys
12:10<TrueBrain>hi Desolator
12:10<Desolator>ahh, good, the type of person looking for
12:10<@orudge>Hello all
12:10<Desolator>can you recommend me some c/C++ book?
12:10<TrueBrain>hi orudge
12:11<TrueBrain>Desolator: sorry, never had one
12:11<@orudge>I learned C from a book called "Teach Yourself C Programming In 21 Days", many years ago now
12:11<@orudge>twas an oldish book, mid-90s
12:11<@orudge>but fairly decent
12:12<Desolator>yeah I have it, though it jumps from basic stuff to advanced stuff quite a bit too quickly
12:12<@orudge>Ah
12:13<Desolator>although I'm quite familiar with the syntax (I've been using PHP for quite a while and it's based on C), the strict typing system and all that stuff is a bit too complex for learning in 21 days
12:14<Desolator>hmm, mingw is behaving strange
12:15<Desolator>I'm trying to compile r11355-ChrisIN again since I delete the files by mistake, and now I get loads of errors on command_queue.cpp
12:16<Desolator>virtually all the functions in there appear to be redefined (ain't that strange? O.o)
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12:17<huma>what's r11355-ChrisIN?
12:17<Desolator>what could it be? :P
12:18<huma>some patch testing
12:18<+glx>Desolator: probably patch did the usual "readding at end of file"
12:18<huma>i wonder what exactly
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12:20<Desolator>glx: yeah, I was right, TortoisePatch added the contents 4 times in the file, I fixed it by hand (O.o)
12:20<huma>that's why i prefer console
12:21<+glx>huma: same happen with console
12:21<Desolator>:P
12:21<Desolator>oh dead, ALL patched files are corrupted this way...dard
12:22<huma>muahaha
12:22<Desolator>*dear
12:22<huma>:)
12:22<huma>sorry actually
12:22[~]Desolator yanks the directory and gets a fresh copy
12:22<+glx>Desolator: only "new" files
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12:27<Desolator>btw, why did ludde quit when 0.3.3 was released?
12:28<Eddi|zuHause2>he probably got bored and wanted to do something new
12:28<Desolator>like selling utorrent?
12:29<Eddi|zuHause2>i don't think that was his initial intention ;)
12:30<huma>he's a utorrent dev now?
12:30<Desolator>huh? he made utorrent
12:30<+glx>no he's working on something else now
12:30<huma>ah, neat
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12:31<Desolator>then he sold it to Bittorrent Inc (in 2006 if I'm right) and is now in the support team there
12:31<huma>i suppose he wrote a fair amount of openttd codebase
12:31<Desolator>(it's a pretty neat tool, every'd love a cross-platform version)
12:31<@orudge>huma: he wrote all of it, back at the start
12:32<huma>productive guy
12:33<Desolator>there's a lot of difference from ttd in C (the REAL ottd r1, not the r975 or so that's in this repository) to the coming openttd 0.6
12:33<Desolator>anyway, what's left for OTTD to surpass TTDP fully??
12:34<huma>maybe he didn't like growing c++ influence and left? :)
12:34<Desolator>doubt it...
12:34<Desolator>trunk wasn't converted to c++ 'till after 0.5 AFAIK
12:35<Desolator>the only things left from TTDP that I can think of are PBS & restrictive signalling
12:37<skidd13>Desolator: custom bridgeheads, tracks over tunel entrence, etc. There's still a huge gap.
12:37<Desolator>alright, going to take a bath, see ya all
12:38<huma>happy bathing
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12:41<TrueBrain>skidd13: does KillFirstBit2x64 work on signed integers too? I mean... it looks to me it should be unsigned..
12:43<skidd13>I thought over that too. I'm not 100% sure. It works on COUNTBITS right too. But it would be nice if someone could check that.
12:44<CIA-1>OpenTTD: truelight * r11377 /trunk/src/macros.h: -Codechange: some more strictness in macros.h (skidd13)
12:45<TrueBrain>it is only used in one instance
12:45<TrueBrain>lol
12:45<skidd13>Then wtf is it placed in macros.h?
12:45<TrueBrain>because most likely it was ment to be more general some day
12:45<TrueBrain>I wonder about the naming
12:46<TrueBrain>2x64?
12:46<skidd13>name comes from _ffb_64[(x)] <--
12:46<skidd13>or better _ffb_64[(x) + 64] <--
12:46<TrueBrain>your function doesn't do the same
12:47<skidd13>My function does that what the comments described. Kill the frist bit ;)
12:48<TrueBrain>nope
12:48<TrueBrain>it doesn't
12:48<TrueBrain>(the comment)
12:49<TrueBrain> * This function returns a value where the first bit (from LSB)
12:49<TrueBrain>- * is cleared. This function checks, similar to FindFirstBit2x64,
12:49<TrueBrain>- * the bits at 0x3F3F.
12:49<TrueBrain>that is what it did
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13:02<skidd13>Trubrain then add | 0x3FFFC0C0 to the calculation and it'll be the same
13:03<skidd13>If the bits of 0x3F3F are checked we only have to assure that all other bits are valid ;)
13:04<TrueBrain>skidd13: I think it is more useful if someone would check where this funciton is used
13:04<TrueBrain>and figure out what it wants, exactly
13:04<TrueBrain>oh, YAPF uses it too
13:04<TrueBrain>lol, missed that :p
13:05<skidd13>Then it sould really be optimised!
13:05<TrueBrain>maybe KUDr can help
13:05<skidd13>@seen KUDr
13:05<@DorpsGek>skidd13: KUDr was last seen in #openttd 1 week, 4 days, 3 hours, 41 minutes, and 5 seconds ago: <KUDr> good
13:06<TrueBrain>bool is_choice = (KillFirstBit2x64(tf.m_new_td_bits) != 0);
13:06<TrueBrain>it really looks weird to me
13:06<TrueBrain>knowing it always leaves bit 6 and 7 and 14 and 15 intact...
13:06<skidd13>the != 0 is not needed
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13:06<TrueBrain>skidd13: we do that by code-style
13:07<TrueBrain>assuming 0 is something in a boolean, is silly
13:07<TrueBrain>this explicit tells what the meaning was
13:07<skidd13>I know a few placed where this is not used :D
13:07<TrueBrain>and we try to put them there when we find them :)
13:07<TrueBrain>same as this: if (*c != '\0')
13:07<TrueBrain>also not needed, but more clear
13:07[~]skidd13 points silently to mersenne
13:07<TrueBrain>:)
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13:09<skidd13>glx: any comments?
13:09<+glx>where?
13:09<skidd13>to the stuff I try to optimise in maacros.h
13:10<skidd13>:%s /aa/a/g
13:10<+glx>I have to think about it
13:10<TrueBrain>skidd13: I really wonder why it only kills bits in that mask
13:11<skidd13>http://paste.openttd.org/274 (ignor the ?)
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13:11<TrueBrain>skidd13: the comment-change is now wrong ;)
13:11<TrueBrain>hehe
13:12<skidd13>yup. Was to lazy to fix that diff.
13:12<TrueBrain>oh, and skidd13, int -> uint compiled fine :)
13:12<TrueBrain>(killing bits in a negative value gives... weird results ;) )
13:12<Desolator>alright, back
13:13<skidd13>TrueBrain: It might even change from -0 to +0 :D
13:13<TrueBrain>-0 in two's complement? :p
13:13<Desolator>can anyone tell me what's the diff from uint8_t & unsigned?
13:14<skidd13>Or am I wrong. Memory lessons have been a while ago ;)
13:14<TrueBrain>skidd13: -1 = 0xFF, -2 = 0xFE :)
13:15<skidd13>Hmm. :O
13:15<skidd13>:D
13:16<TrueBrain>so killbit makes it more negative :p
13:17<Eddi|zuHause2>funnier if you kill the MSB ;)
13:18<skidd13>TrueBrain: don't you forgot the &= ?
13:18<TrueBrain>nah, that is not weird :)
13:18<TrueBrain>skidd13: what do you mean?
13:18<skidd13>value &= (int)(value - 1) | 0x3FFFC0C0; <- It removes bits and does not change the value itself!
13:19<TrueBrain>now that is a nice contradiction
13:19<TrueBrain>it removes bits, but does not change the value..
13:19<TrueBrain>:p
13:19<skidd13>:%s /itself/directly/
13:19<TrueBrain>still don't follow..
13:21<skidd13>Example:
13:21<skidd13>a = 01010111; b = a - 1; // b = 01010110 a &= b // a = 01010110
13:21<TrueBrain>so, -1 -> killbit: -2
13:21<TrueBrain>while: 2 -> killbit -> 0
13:21<TrueBrain>killing bits in signed operations is a bit silly
13:21<TrueBrain>that was my point :)
13:22<TrueBrain>(for sure it does kill the bit correctly, but the result is fuzzy)
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13:22<skidd13>agreed
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13:25<TrueBrain>skidd13: ah, found why it doens't want to filter bits 6 and 7
13:25<TrueBrain>it means: wormhole or depot
13:26<TrueBrain>so, indeed, with your | in it, the patch is correct
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13:27<skidd13>Stephen Hawking says: wormholes are implausible!
13:27<skidd13>:P
13:28<TrueBrain>then we are our time way ahead
13:28<skidd13>OpenTTD is VR so everything should be possible :D
13:29<skidd13>except it is not implemented
13:29<CIA-1>OpenTTD: truelight * r11378 /trunk/src/macros.h: -Codechange: optimize KillFirstBit2x64 (skidd13)
13:29<TrueBrain>nice work skidd13 :)
13:29<skidd13>no problem
13:29<TrueBrain>doh, forgot the uint..
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13:33<CIA-1>OpenTTD: truelight * r11379 /trunk/src/macros.h: -Fix r11378: KillFirstBit2x64 accepts and returns unsigned variables, not signed, so enforce that a bit
13:34<skidd13>Obiwan strikes again :D
13:36<skidd13>:%s /Obiwan/Murphy/
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14:25<TrueBrain>lalala
14:31[~]dihedral whistles
14:31<TrueBrain>you suck! :P
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14:32<valhallasw>so does <insert female name>
14:32<TrueBrain>hmm, indeed :)
14:32<TrueBrain>oh, wait.. :p
14:34<dihedral>lol
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14:58<cybermage>Hi guys
14:58<cybermage>is anywhere central banlist ?
14:59<cybermage>I just banned 2 IP's because they came to server, joined a company and deleted all stations and tracks
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15:00<hylje>one should have passwords
15:00<cybermage>yeah I know
15:02<TrueBrain>but no, we don't have a central banlist
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15:04<cybermage>Ok
15:04<cybermage>just fyi watch 213.98.80.75 and 88.73.240.144
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15:27<yorick>hello dihedral
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15:36<cybermage>Is it possible to ban IP range ?
15:41<cybermage>and is it possible to put money to player ?
15:46<TrueBrain>no and no, not direct
15:47<cybermage>hmm
15:47<cybermage>bad guys are connecting to my server and deleting stations, airports
15:47<cybermage>Hate them
15:47<TrueBrain>we all do
15:48<cybermage>How to change it ?
15:50<TrueBrain>not.. sadly enough
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15:52<cybermage>hmm
15:53<Maarten>cybermage: Do you have a linksys router?
15:54<cybermage>I can manage iptables
15:54<Maarten>(or a linux server with iptables on them)
15:54<cybermage>I think I will do it
15:54<TrueBrain>we all do ;)
15:54<Maarten>iptables -I FORWARD -d 66.58.0.0/16 -j DROP
15:54<TrueBrain>forward?
15:54<cybermage>I know :)
15:54<TrueBrain>input :p
15:54<cybermage>yeah, forward :)
15:55<cybermage>I am not crazy enough to run openttd on firewall :)
15:55<cybermage>It's in DMZ
15:55<Maarten>that will effectively ban the 66.58.*.* range - it will just forward it to infinity :P
15:55<TrueBrain>cybermage: OpenTTD is safe enough ;)
15:55<cybermage>TrueBrain: I don't trust you ;)
15:56<TrueBrain>cybermage: feel free to check yourself :)
15:56<cybermage>TrueBrain: unless it is build with PIE and PAX
15:56<TrueBrain>but I can't blame you :)
15:56<Prof_Frink>Mmm, PIE
15:56<cybermage>and checked for buffer overflows
15:56<cybermage>and so on ....
15:56<cybermage>:)
15:56<Maarten>PIE!
15:56<TrueBrain>buffer overflows are checked pretty regular
15:56<TrueBrain>valgrind is run over the binary
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15:56<Prof_Frink>Want PIE now!
15:56<cybermage>hehe :)
15:56<cybermage>mee too :)
15:57<Prof_Frink>'lo Bob, you have pie?
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16:27<Wolf01>'night
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16:37<Ammller>Hi, someone ever played with MB's newcargo.grf?
16:38<Ammller>we have a problem with accepting Livestock at the food plant
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16:54<skidd13>Hi again
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16:57<TrueBrain>skidd13: hi
16:57<TrueBrain>skidd13: after a long look at KillBits blabla, I found out that the function is REALLY weird
16:58<skidd13>Yeah
16:58<TrueBrain>as the function also makes of any 16+bit, a 16bit
16:58<skidd13>But IMO the most wired is its name
16:58<TrueBrain>that too :p
16:59<skidd13>If we fix the name the rest will be ok then ;)
16:59<TrueBrain>did you check FindFirstBit2x64 :p
16:59<TrueBrain>it has a nice +8....
17:00<skidd13>yeah. I'm thinking about that too
17:00<TrueBrain>and _ffb is just a lookup table :p
17:01<skidd13>that IS funny. :D
17:01<TrueBrain>extern const byte _ffb_64[128];
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17:05<skidd13>What about KillFirstPathInfoBit() ?
17:06<Rubidium>skidd13: it's working on track bits
17:07<Rubidium>uhmm.. not track bits, trackdirbits ;)
17:07<skidd13>Woah that is wired
17:08<TrueBrain>we really need KUDr, to ask what is going on :)
17:08<skidd13>yup
17:09<Rubidium>_ffb_64 is used just to get/remove a TrackDirBit
17:09<TrueBrain>Rubidium: then why is it done on bits 0..7 AND on bit 8..15?
17:10<Rubidium>it's done on bits 0..5 and 8..13
17:10<TrueBrain>yeahyeah, but you got what I mean
17:10<TrueBrain>where does that << 8 come from?
17:10<Rubidium>just as the trackdirbits
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17:10<TrueBrain>when does trackdirbits use 16bit?
17:10<Rubidium>TrueBrain: read the comments in trackdir(bits)
17:10<Rubidium>TrueBrain: always
17:11<TrueBrain>hmm, I was reading TrackBits
17:11<TrueBrain>ah, there it is
17:11<TrueBrain>confusing names..
17:11<Ammller>http://img4.myimg.de/DrindboroughTransport1st41e45.png <-- strange bug with newgargo
17:11<TrueBrain>ah, Rubidium, now I understand
17:11<Rubidium>TrueBrain: not confusing, it's very clearly named
17:11<TrueBrain>but so there is nothing wrong with killing bit 6 and 7 too, as they should always be 0
17:12<TrueBrain>Rubidium: yes, it is, but TrackBits and TrackDirBits are a very minor difference
17:12<TrueBrain>easy to overlook
17:13<Rubidium>maybe rename 2x64 with TrackDirBits and have those as input and output type
17:13<TrueBrain>so, if I read this all correct, we can just name it KillFirstBit
17:13<TrueBrain>as bit 6 and 7 should always be 0
17:13<skidd13>Then we don'T need the 0x... stuff
17:13<TrueBrain>less fuzz
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17:18<TrueBrain>Rubidium: can you confirm that I am correct, about bit 6 and 7 in TrackDirBits?
17:18<Rubidium>I'm not 100% sure at the moment; the TrackDirs for 6 and 7 are used
17:19<TrueBrain>when?
17:19<TrueBrain>(or better: where? :))
17:19<Rubidium>RV turning
17:19<TrueBrain>which isn't important for YAPF, right?
17:19<TrueBrain>so should be masked out?
17:21<Rubidium>it's not used for TrackDirBits it seems
17:21<Rubidium>so yes, it can be masked out
17:21<Rubidium>but instead of using 0x3F3F, you can use the enum constant
17:22<TrueBrain>Rubidium: I ment, not in KillBits
17:22<CIA-1>OpenTTD: glx * r11380 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Revert (r11191, r11196): it worked, but broke cargo loading
17:22<TrueBrain>but in when yapf assigns the value
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17:22<Rubidium>masking out isn't necessary as it should never been set in the first place
17:22<TrueBrain>that was what I was asking ;)
17:22<TrueBrain>so, KillBits can just do what he says, kill the LSB bit
17:23<TrueBrain>no 2x64 fuzzyness
17:23<Rubidium>yes
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17:23<TrueBrain>TrackdirBits dst_td_bits = (TrackdirBits)(dest_ts & TRACKDIR_BIT_MASK); <- YAPF already takes perfectly care of it
17:23<Rubidium>removes 64 or so bytes from the binary ;)
17:23<TrueBrain>anyway, that also means we could remove KILL_FIRST_BIT macro
17:23<Ammller>glx: your commit has nothing to do with the image I just posted, has it?
17:24<Rubidium>could be
17:24<+glx>what image?
17:24<CIA-1>OpenTTD: glx * r11381 /trunk/src/ (newgrf.cpp newgrf_config.h): -Fix [FS#1227]: redo the fix in a less breaking way
17:24<Ammller>glx: http://img4.myimg.de/DrindboroughTransport1st41e45.png
17:24<Ammller>the station does not accept Livestock
17:24<TrueBrain>brr, many times KILL_FIRST_BIT used...
17:25<+glx>Ammller: maybe
17:25<Ammller>hmm, then I try with new trunk...
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17:25<+glx>btw nothing?.grf still works :)
17:26<Ammller>:D
17:26<Ammller>does it still nothing?
17:26<+glx>but now I can have forests from ECS accepting Vehicles even I change grf order
17:27<Ammller>nope,the problem is still there
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17:27<Ammller>ah
17:27<Ammller>didn't compile, sry
17:28<TrueBrain>Rubidium / skidd13: http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/temp.patch
17:29<Rubidium>boooh ;)
17:29<TrueBrain>one can debate if a table-lookup is faster than an AND and a SUB, but I think optimizations take care of it
17:29<Rubidium>templates!
17:29<TrueBrain>and what should be templates about it?
17:29<TrueBrain>you want to avoid the casts
17:29<TrueBrain>hmm..
17:29<Rubidium>so you can remove the casts
17:29<TrueBrain>why not
17:29<TrueBrain>not that it really matters
17:30<TrueBrain>it just makes it hard to compare it to 0
17:30<Rubidium>then you don't compare to 0
17:30<Rubidium>but TRACKDIRBITS_NONE or something like that
17:30<TrueBrain>k
17:30<TrueBrain>that takes a bit longer :p
17:30<TrueBrain>hehe
17:30<skidd13>looks nice and templates a cool :D
17:30<Ammller>glx, this bug is still there with 11381
17:30<Rubidium>makes it clearer though
17:30<Rubidium>Ammller: does it work in TTDP?
17:30<TrueBrain>Rubidium: you are correct
17:31<Ammller>Rubidium: I guess so, this set is quite old
17:31<Ammller>but I ask MB
17:31<Rubidium>so you don't know
17:31<TrueBrain>btw, skidd13, I think COUNTBITS should be renamed to CountBits
17:31<TrueBrain>it no longer is a macro
17:32<skidd13>TrueBrain: Yup I just wanted to say something like this ;)
17:32<TrueBrain>so you do that, then I take care of KillFirstBit :)
17:32<skidd13>K
17:37<TrueBrain>stupid compiler, 0 is allowed :p
17:38<TrueBrain>even a value of an other enum..
17:38<TrueBrain>grr
17:40<Ammller>Rubidium: now I know, it works with patch
17:40<Rubidium>you tested the exact same set of grfs in the same order?
17:41<TrueBrain>http://paste.openttd.org/275 <- OMG! 1 warning :)
17:41<skidd13>TrueBrain: check the patch-maillist
17:42<Ammller>http://img4.myimg.de/newcargoBUG1Patch6b271.png
17:42<TrueBrain>I only have savegames that are broken somehow :p
17:42<TrueBrain>lol
17:43<Rubidium>TrueBrain: clear, ain't it?
17:43<TrueBrain>I can't even find a working on :)
17:43<Ammller>someone else in the german forum did also point to it and MB said, that it might be a bug
17:43<+glx>Ammller: in the first screenshot you can see the FPP is not finished
17:43<Ammller>ah ok, but thats not the problem
17:43<Ammller>or is it?
17:43<+glx>just wait a little and I think the missing accepted cargo will appear
17:43<Ammller>and why is Grain and fish aready there?
17:44<TrueBrain>Rubidium: http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/temp.patch <- better?
17:44<+glx>LV acceptance may be related to a callback
17:44<Rubidium>Ammller: furthermore the stations are different
17:45<Rubidium>+ if (bits == 0 || KillFirstBit(bits) == TRACK_BIT_NONE) return false;
17:45<Rubidium>the other 0 could be changed too
17:45<TrueBrain>yup
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17:46<Rubidium>in pathfind bits could be made TrackDirBits (out of scope of patch though)
17:46<TrueBrain>I agree, with both statements :)
17:46<Rubidium>+ for (TrackdirBits rtds = tf.m_new_td_bits; rtds != TRACKDIR_BIT_NONE; rtds = (TrackdirBits)KillFirstBit(rtds)) {
17:46<Rubidium>unnecessary cast
17:46<skidd13>if (bits == 0 || KillFirstBit(bits) == TRACK_BIT_NONE) I'd replace with if (bits == 0 || CountBits(bits) == 1)
17:47<Rubidium>CountBits(bits) <= 1 ?
17:47<skidd13>yup
17:47<CIA-1>OpenTTD: truelight * r11382 /trunk/src/ (6 files): -Codechange: renamed COUNTBITS to CountBits, as it is no longer a macro (skidd13)
17:48<Rubidium>TrueBrain: another similar case where you could remove an unnecessary cast in yapf_common.hpp (previous one in yapf_base.hpp)
17:50<Rubidium>Ammller: have you tried it in OTTD with a similar station as in TTDP?
17:50<skidd13>TrueBrain:
17:50<Rubidium>as it looks like only a few tiles accept livestock and those aren't covered enough by your station in OTTD.
17:50<skidd13>src/yapf/yapf_road.cpp you can replace with CountBits(bits) <= 1 too
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17:51<TrueBrain>skidd13: it isn't faster
17:51<TrueBrain>but okay, more clear :)
17:51<Ammller>Rubidium: I have surrounded now the Plant, still not accepting it
17:52<Ammller>also tried rv and airport
17:52<TrueBrain>skidd13: but the same goes for:
17:52<TrueBrain>bool is_choice = (KillFirstBit2x64(m_orgTrackdirs) != 0);
17:52<Osai>there is also another bug... transported fish doesn't produce any food, you only receive some money
17:52<TrueBrain>in fact, for most KillFirstBit
17:53<skidd13>TrueBrain: CountBits is more intuitive IMO
17:53<TrueBrain>Rubidium: what do you think.. replace KillFirstBit(value) != 0 (enum) with CountBits(value) <= 1?
17:53<Ammller>hmm, newcargo is one of first NewIndustries GRF
17:53<+glx>Osai: related to Ammller problem?
17:53<Osai>it occurred in the same game
17:53<TrueBrain>euh, for != it is of course > 1 ;)
17:54<Ammller>Osai: http://img4.myimg.de/DrindboroughTransport1st41e45.png
17:54<Osai>yep
17:54<skidd13>TrueBrain: for != I'd use KillBits cause Countbits iterates for every bit and Killbits only for one ;)
17:55<TrueBrain>hmm, true
17:55<TrueBrain>so, only for == 0, it is :)
17:55<huma>oh, TrueBrain is still up and running :)
17:55<Ammller>Osai: I made a new game on a unpatched trunk to be sure
17:55<Osai>rev?
17:55<huma>i had a nap
17:55<Ammller>trunk, around 11381
17:56<Rubidium>TrueBrain: if you care about counting the bits, then you should always use KillBits and not CountBits
17:56<TrueBrain>Rubidium: don't follow
17:56<Rubidium>you could make a function HasZeroOrOneBitsSet though ;)
17:56<TrueBrain>hehe
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17:56<TrueBrain>hmm, CountBits is always slower
17:56<skidd13>HasLessThanOneBit ;)
17:57<TrueBrain>so, indeed, bad idea to replace KillFirstBit with CountBits
17:57<Rubidium>skidd13: that's just == 0
17:57<skidd13>:%s /One/Two/g
17:57<skidd13>Rubidium: Just noticed after pressing return ;)
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17:58<TrueBrain>bits &= 0xBF; <- BF?!
17:58<TrueBrain>http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/temp.patch <- yet an ohter version
17:59<Rubidium>BF == 0x3F | 0x80
17:59<TrueBrain>ah :)
17:59<skidd13>TrueBrain: 10111111
17:59<Rubidium>don't know why bit 7 is tested though
17:59<TrueBrain>Rubidium: so in pathfinder.c, it can't be replaced with TrackDirBits, it uses some custom bit :)
18:00<Rubidium>the BF seems wrong
18:00<TrueBrain>so, really something for an other patch ;)
18:00<TrueBrain>temp.patch is okay?
18:00<Rubidium>GTTS never returns with the 7th and 15th bit set
18:01<Rubidium>so the BF could become 3F
18:04<TrueBrain>yes? no? maybe? :p
18:05<Rubidium>looks ok to me
18:06<Ammller>hmm, how to build a boje for fishing, like in Patch with crtl?
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18:06<CIA-1>OpenTTD: truelight * r11383 /trunk/src/ (10 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: fixed all the mess around KillFirstBit (tnx to Rubidium and skidd13)
18:07<TrueBrain>so, now FindFirstBit? :p
18:07<skidd13>TrueBrain: That's a bit more tricky to optimise ;)
18:07<TrueBrain>we can at least start by removing the 2x64 version :)
18:07<TrueBrain>as we just said that was unneeded ;)
18:08<TrueBrain>hmm, no, we can't, as FIND_FIRST_BIT needs a 64bit value
18:08<TrueBrain>hehe
18:12<Rubidium>Ammller: you don't
18:12<Ammller>yeah, I fear, its not possible
18:12<Ammller>this set is just not playable with OTTD
18:13<Ammller>hmm, didn't test it enough
18:13<Ammller>I will remove it from our pack then...
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18:14<TrueBrain>night Osai^zZz
18:14<Osai^zZz>gn8
18:14<Ammller>nacht
18:14<Rubidium>night Rubidium
18:14<Ammller>?
18:14<TrueBrain>night Rubidium :P
18:14<skidd13>night
18:14<Eddi|zuHause2>build fishing grounds with ctrl? that sounds like a bad feature
18:14<+glx>Ammller: anyway there's probably a bug in industrytiles loading
18:14<Ammller>not the fishing ground
18:14<Ammller>the boje
18:14<skidd13>night Skidd13
18:15<TrueBrain>you guys are bad :)
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18:15<TrueBrain>night all :)
18:15<+glx>Ammller: buoy
18:15<Ammller>:)
18:15<Ammller>yeah
18:15<TrueBrain>well, nobody left here for me to talk about macros.h I guess :p Night all :)
18:15<Ammller>night TrueBrain
18:15<+glx>night TrueBrain
18:16<Ammller>Eddi|zuHause2: did you ever play with newcargo and OTTD?
18:16<Eddi|zuHause2>Ammller: you specifically mean the newgarco.grf? no.
18:16<Ammller>yes, that grf
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18:26<MrBrrr>Has the behavior of the "Go To Depot" order been changed? (in trunk)
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18:37<cybermage>bye guys
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19:28<+glx>Ammller: I found the problem :)
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